IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-01-13

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DocScrutinizerMinos: check swappolube and the tmo thread(s) about it - maybe a wrapper around cp command may help, when it just temporarily disables swapping (or reduces swappiness) prior to invocation of real cp binary, and restores all /proc and /sys tweaks to 'normal' after cp finished00:01
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DocScrutinizerMinos: I've seen N900 freeze completely on trying to cp a few GB of data between uSD and eMMC00:02
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  Minos. Today I accidentaly turned on internal swap that I havent been using for months, then, started my usual combo of applications. Chromium, LibreOffice, and something else. Device immediately started to freeze, regaining control only once for every 15-30seconds or so00:15
Estel_then I realized, that eMMC swap was turned out together with uSD swap00:15
Estel_disabling eMMC swap cleared issues almost instantly (well, swap takes a while to get disabled)00:15
Estel_using swap on eMMC is *really* a bad idea under high I/O from other eMMC partitions00:16
DocScrutinizerEstel_: are YOU responsible for messing with infobot's onjoin?00:17
Estel_with swap on uSD and correct swapiness settings, cp of many gigabites archive, or extracting ED .lzma archive (2GB) or apt-get dist-upgrade from ED don't even "scratch" device responsivness00:17
DocScrutinizer(you might deduce from the fact I have to ask at all, as well as the way I ask, that I'm not amused)00:17
Estel_for the good start, I'm going to admit that I'm responsible for everything You may want from me. now, what happened?00:18
poroi had to mkdir /home/tmp and bindmount /tmp so rubygems wouldnt run out of memory compiling00:18
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  seriously, I've not touched anything00:18
porotmpfs                     1024        72       952   7% /tmp a megabyte?00:18
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-12 09:43:54] <infobot> Hi there, see: Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual?00:19
Estel_hey, I used plain onjoin for You00:19
Estel_like You taught me00:19
Estel_but only once00:19
Estel_is it messing?00:19
DocScrutinizerI teach you a quite different lesson in a minute00:19
Estel_fine, but first tell me what actually happened00:20
Estel_i.e. what's the issue00:20
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-12 09:43:54] <infobot> Hi there, see: Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual?00:20
DocScrutinizerIS THE ISSUE00:20
DocScrutinizerwtf shall I think about that crap?00:20
Estel_lol, ven if it's not amusing. It's spamming You about that?00:21
ShadowJKis that onjoin for everyone?00:21
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DocScrutinizeris that to me? is that from you? why can't you simply post it directly, when I'm online 24/7 anyway??00:21
Estel_hm, sorry for that - I did it exactly as per instructions You linked me to00:21
Estel_I've posted it, but You were not online ATM00:21
Estel_no, only for DocScrutinizer00:21
Estel_only he sees it00:21
DocScrutinizerBS, I'm ALWAYS online00:21
Estel_actually, once I joked about voicemail on IRC00:21
* ShadowJK 'd used memoserv :P00:22
DocScrutinizerBS everybody sees it00:22
Estel_no, You were not when I used onjoin00:22
Estel_well, DocScrutinizer once told me about onjoin command and how to use it00:22
Estel_actually, he used onjoin to tell me about it00:22
DocScrutinizerobviously not00:22
Estel_then I reported back, that it's talking to me on every join00:22
Estel_but without response. Eventually, it stopped00:23
Estel_so I though issue is fixed00:23
DocScrutinizerand then you thought it's a good idea to do same thing to me???00:23
Estel_and used it when DocScrutinizer was offline, no idea if by timeout or what. Not in user list :P00:23
DocScrutinizerwhile *I* at very least started message with "estel_: ..."00:23
Estel_well, have used it few times already, and no one complained00:23
Estel_I started it with DocScrutinizer00:24
Estel_it seems that bot interpreted it as second receiver00:24
DocScrutinizerI'm exactly 90s offline every 24h00:24
Estel_thus double message00:24
Estel_well, luck or lack of, depending on point of view. It wasn't ny goal to cause problems.00:24
DocScrutinizerEstel_: nonsense00:24
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Estel_anyway, what's the issue, no way to turn it off?00:25
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DocScrutinizers only ONE onjoin for each nick, so you nuked any previous onjoun without even checking00:25
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Estel_well, any way to check other's people onjoins?00:26
DocScrutinizerand there's NO WAY to list onjoin records, not even for one nick, for the different channels00:26
DocScrutinizeras there's a _default onjoin for every nick, plus one chan specific one for each chan the nick joins00:27
Estel_well, actually, it was You who told me to use it ;)00:27
Estel_I haven't messed with default onjoin00:27
DocScrutinizerI *never* told you to use it00:27
Estel_what You see is only for Your eyes, as in Bond00:27
DocScrutinizerI told you it existst00:27
Estel_jokes aside, TBH i still don't get what's the issue. it spams You every 2 seconds, or what?00:28
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DocScrutinizerI'm simply disabling onjoin for this and a number of other chan, I think00:28
Estel_take Your time, have fun00:28
DocScrutinizerit's a too powerful cmd for users messing with it indiscriminately00:28
Estel_care to tell us what's exactly this issue?00:29
DocScrutinizerEstel_: It spams the CHANNEL every day, and I don't even know it's caused by me00:29
DocScrutinizerand the worst thing is YOU don't see all those problems00:29
Estel_ok, got it. it spams it once a day when You join.00:29
DocScrutinizerhow would I tell?00:30
Estel_actually, spams for one liner isn't bst word. Now, how to disable it?00:30
DocScrutinizermy client joins after 90s when my DSL reconnects00:30
Estel_wasn't infobot talking like00:30
DocScrutinizerI'm not even at home at that time00:30
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  Estel_ wasn't You to know:00:30
Estel_infobot: DocScrutinizer,  Estel_ want You to know: <blabla>00:31
Estel_well, at least it was the case when You used it @ me. Anyway, I'm off, good night ladies and gentlemans00:32
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DocScrutinizerI got no fsckng clue how and what onjoin command got activated for me, and I don't know who activeated it, and the one who did has no clue if there's been an older more important onjoin already set that gets reset by him00:33
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DocScrutinizercoool shit, he's leaving me with this fucking onjoin, and I have to clean all possible alternatives now00:34
Estel_Before I go - ShadowJK, maybe You know what's the sane current limit for charging internals of N900, *not*battery?00:34
Estel_fuck shit, I'm still here, so I can help if it's possible00:34
DocScrutinizerbefore you go, you DAMN REMOVE that onjoin you set00:34
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Estel_just stop shouting around and tell me what to do00:34
Estel_any command?00:34
Estel_I asked for a command to remove it for past 10 minutes00:35
Estel_just concluded that You're on berserker mode and wouldn't tell me anyway ;)00:35
ShadowJKI don't know, but at 1250 I thought it heated up more than you'd expect from just interpolating 1250/95000:35
DocScrutinizerI don't know any command as I don't know the command you used to install it - got it now?00:35
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DocScrutinizer~+help onjoin00:36
infobot   Desc: get/set OnJoin message (needs chan option +OnJoin)00:36
infobot  Usage: onjoin [#chan|_default] [-]<nick> [message]00:36
infobotExample: onjoin infobot Hey! It's another infobot!00:36
Estel_ShadowJK,  thanks. Basically the concept is that using dual-cell battery current is divided by two for each cell00:36
Estel_so, it *should* be safe theoretically, to charge with 1.5 A00:36
Estel_if chip etc won't get fried00:36
Estel_(750mA per cell in ,parrallel cell setup)00:36
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ShadowJKWell it doesn't go higher than 1250, and that's what I'm trying to say, that when I increased the current beyond what bme uses, it heated up more than I would have expected00:37
Estel_because battery or chip itself? the latter I asume?00:37
ShadowJK(not the battery, the internals)00:37
ShadowJKI was using a 2400mAh battery at that time00:37
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Estel_so anyway no point in risking for 1250-950= 300mA00:38
DocScrutinizer~+help botmail00:38
infobot   Desc: Send someone botmail00:38
infobot  Usage: botmail {for <who>[:] <message>}|stats|check|read00:38
infobotExample: botmail for infobot: you rock!00:38
infobotExample: botmail stats00:38
infobotExample: botmail check00:38
infobotExample: botmail read00:38
Estel_thanks ShadowJK!00:39
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  I just did00:39
ShadowJKAfter I noticed the heating up, I made my script drop to 550mA when temperature rose above 50C00:39
DocScrutinizereven that sucks00:39
poromake it explode!!00:39
ShadowJKEventually I just settled for charging at 950 without temperature throttle00:39
Estel_I wonder what part gets hot so fast00:39
Estel_due to 300mA difference00:40
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  I just did00:40
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Estel_~onjoin DocScrutinizer blablabla00:40
infobotok, Estel_00:40
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Estel_so maybe00:40
Estel_~onjoin -DocScrutinizer blablabla00:40
infobotEstel_: ok00:40
Estel_~onjoin -DocScrutinizer00:40
infobotEstel_: ok00:40
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ShadowJKWell there's known parasitic/undocumented resistance in the path between charging circuit and battery, and we know that the heat is resistance*current*current (current squared), so.. :P00:41
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, he was removing it?00:41
DocScrutinizer~onjoin -DocScrutinizer00:41
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infobotok, DocScrutinizer00:41
ShadowJK<ShadowJK> Well there's known parasitic/undocumented resistance in the path between charging circuit and battery, and we know that the heat is resistance*current*current (current squared), so.. :P00:41
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Estel_thanks for quoting...00:41
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  care to leave berserker mode? I was actua..y clearing onjoin for You00:42
poroinfobot: status00:42
infobotSince Tue Jan  3 23:54:57 2012, there have been 11 modifications, 348 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 200 commands.  I have been awake for 8d 22h 47m 36s this session, and currently reference 118348 factoids.  I'm using about 35500 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2580.67/54.35 child 0/000:42
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.00:42
poroactive fork? what so it can "think" for a while?00:42
ShadowJKI suspect it forks shitty perl scripts00:43
DocScrutinizer~+help lobotomize00:43
infobotno help on lobotomize.  Use 'help' without arguments.00:43
Estel_anyway, this whole onjoin mess gave me a nice idea for april's fool day00:43
Estel_does infobot also have channel operator status?00:44
DocScrutinizer~+help lobotomy00:44
infobotI can be given a lobotomy ([o] is required) if people start to abuse me.  To bring me back to life, give me an unlobotomy00:44
ShadowJKEstel_, I don't really care what you do with your own N900, but personally I'm not risking it, considering the poor availability of N900s today, and their habbit of dying mysterious deaths00:44
Estel_ShadowJK,  exactly true00:45
poro1250 sounds like overkill00:45
Estel_that's why I concluded it's not worth the risk00:45
ShadowJKporo, not if you're charging a 2500mAh battery00:45
Estel_diferrence from 950 to 1250 is only 300 mA00:45
ShadowJKfrom the battery's point of view00:45
Estel_not worth the risk00:45
poroare we calkin gCPU MHz or charge current?00:45
Estel_well actually I'm charging 3070 mAh one...00:45
poroim talking OC speeds00:45
Estel_we're talking charging current00:45
ShadowJKI don't have a overclock either. It's funny, when people started overclocking, they were like "Well I don't care if it dies in a year, next year nokia will have a N910 or whatever and I'll get that instead!"00:46
Estel_That's why I asked first knowledgeable one (ShadowJK ;) ) before trying, actually00:46
porowell, N9 is out00:46
Estel_well, N9 is a joke00:46
poroand, id imagine its more or less as open as n900 was00:46
SpeedEvilporo: hahahhhhahahahahhahah.00:47
porojust QT instead of GTK00:47
ShadowJKporo, it's way more closed, people are still struggling to use it00:47
Estel_I use 500-900mhz limits rock stable00:47
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Estel_Personally, I plan to use my N900 for years00:47
poromgedmin had a postiive N9 comment on LWN's tizen thread00:47
poroand that blogger the debian-mobile guy linked to liked his00:48
Estel_If I would pau such insane money for new to,y I would probably also comment it positively00:48
ShadowJKporo, I haven't followed it closely, but to me it appears it's more difficult to break/root/hack N9 than most android handsets00:48
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
porohe also had a N950, so i doubt he paid for it or anything.00:48
porogotta suck up to hte "people who send me free stuff"00:48
ShadowJKI'm sure that N9 is ok for people who only want to do, uh, web stuff?00:49
Estel_for 600 pounds00:49
Estel_Big Bad Browser for 600pounds...00:49
poroits 3x the price of n900 available NIB on ebay00:49
Estel_N900 in ideal condition can be bought for as low as 150dollars00:50
Estel_withnout searching, for 200$00:50
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* ShadowJK wonders if there's a summary page for the open/closed and flasher status of N900:51
porowow it has trusted-comuting crap00:51
DocScrutinizer~+chanset #maemo00:52
infobotchan: #maemo (see _default also)00:52
infobot OnJoin => 0, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot00:52
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: sorry for berserkermode :-D. Would you please test the ~onjoin DocScrutinizer blabla again?00:53
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ^^^ ?00:54
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: Would you please test "~onjoin DocScrutinizer blabla"00:55
ShadowJK~onjoin DocScrutinizer blabla00:55
DocScrutinizer~onjoin DocScrutinizer00:58
DocScrutinizer~onjoin #maemo DocScrutinizer00:59
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porocan you program the bot via msg or something?01:04
poromaybe cuz i have notices/privmsgs ignored i never noticed what the problem was  (nor do i ever join/part if i can avoid it)01:04
porobut this relentless configuring has gone on about 5 screens01:04
poroah he does work via msg01:05
DocScrutinizerit's finished and tested now, so chill a bit01:05
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infoboti heard android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open., or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible01:06
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, openmoko is a joint venture of FIC and the open source community creating a complete open source phone platform stack. see http://openmoko.com01:06
porowow, where do i get on board!01:06
DocScrutinizerand yes, you can also /query infobot, but *I* can't do all the stuff you can, as some of the stuff always works when _I_ do it ;-D01:06
infobottalk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)01:07
DocScrutinizerporo: get on board of... what?01:07
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  sorry, I've beebmafk. And, no problem01:08
Estel_well, openmoko website was quite outdated when I last checked, it's nice that it's alive01:08
poroive seen like, homebrew GTA04v12 runs by german tweakers01:08
porohave they fixed mic-buzz issue yet heh01:08
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  honestly, objectively - does it have chance to be ready for end-users-geeks anytime in upcoming years?01:09
DocScrutinizerporo: no, *I* have fixed buzz ;-D01:09
poroyeah ok, i lack a GTA01/2 to plug it into01:09
infoboti guess joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer01:09
Estel_I'm asking as You seems to be knowledgeable about openmoko01:09
infobot[docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko01:10
Estel_booo ;)01:10
DocScrutinizerporo: Nikolaus of Goldelico is aware of the problem. Right ATM "we" are searching for ways to build new spare cases01:11
DocScrutinizerOTOH you probably can find a used GTA02 for ~80 bucks01:12
DocScrutinizermaybe 6001:12
Estel_oh fuck, one question ok?01:12
Estel_I'm using encrypted partition without filesystem, that I've already set to mapper01:12
Estel_lest say01:13
Estel_now I want to make filesystem on it01:13
Estel_but, neither Truecrypt automaticaly, or I manually can do it, due to f*ckin error:01:13
Estel_/dev/mapper/truecrypt1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here!01:13
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Estel_how the holy shit can I mkfs a encrypted partition without erasing encryption?01:14
Estel_scratching my head about it for 2 hours01:14
DocScrutinizerEstel_: a good question01:14
Estel_"with a very interesting answer for it. You can have it for mere 12 billions of credits"01:15
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Estel_sorry, can't stop myself from quoting star control 201:15
Estel_the worst thing is that it seems to work for other people01:15
Estel_wtf I am doing wrong?...01:15
Estel_umount /dev/mapper/truecrypt101:17
Estel_umount: can't umount /dev/mapper/truecrypt1: Invalid argument01:17
DocScrutinizerEstel_: either: there's a way to override the test in mkfs so it will create a FS on loopmounted devices (seems that shall work since ages, as normal loopmounts of files as partitions is a common practice), or: your mount has to be so much different to a normal mount that it doesn't look like a mount to mkfs anymore. For that topic mount -o loop seems obsolete01:17
Estel_ mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/truecrypt101:18
Estel_mke2fs 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008)01:18
Estel_/dev/mapper/truecrypt1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here!01:18
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  will check for force parameters on mkfs01:18
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  verbose mode pls?01:20
DocScrutinizerman losetup01:20
DocScrutinizer>>... For that topic mount -o loop seems obsolete01:20
Estel_no manual entry for losetup, will browse for it ;)01:21
Estel_yea , guessed that, thanks... will try01:21
Estel_it seems that there is no way to override tests in mkfs eh... checking losetup01:25
Estel_the thing is01:25
Estel_that I can't mount it normally01:25
Estel_even via -o loop or losetup01:25
Estel_or mkfs will override encryption01:25
Estel_it *has* to be mounted by truecrypt, so decryption on the fly01:26
Estel_then it should mkfs without problem, no idea why it complain about it "being mounted"01:26
Estel_truecrypt "mounts" /dev/mmcblk0px to /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 , asking for passwords keyfiles etc01:27
Estel_truecrypt "mounts" /dev/mmcblk0px to /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 , asking for passwords keyfiles etceing mounted01:27
DocScrutinizerEstel_: man 8 mount|less "+/THE LOOP DEVICE"01:27
Estel_thanks, will check...01:28
Estel_sorry for my ignorance, but how to merge it with truecrypt mounting, that is absolutely necessary...01:28
Estel_or I end with *non* encrypted partition, that was mkfs'ed01:29
DocScrutinizerit seems to me you fist loopmount your file/partition to /dev/mycryptdev, then format that with e.g mkfs.crypt /dev/mycryptfs01:29
Estel_wait wait. so should I ommit mapper at all?01:29
DocScrutinizerthen umount it and mount again from file/partition to /dev/mycryptfs TO /mst/cryptstore, according to man 8 mount|less "+/THE LOOP DEVICE"01:30
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gh0stridercan anyone here recommend a phone that will work great with linux/maemo products that will also work with the sprint network ?01:30
gh0strideri really wish i could go with the nokia n900 but it will not work with sprint...01:30
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  thanks, it seems sane01:31
Estel_yet, one problem01:31
Estel_/dev/truecrypt1 dissapears as soon as truecrypt mount is disabled01:31
Estel_>> it seems to me you fist loopmount your file/partition to /dev/mycryptdev, then format that with e.g mkfs.crypt /dev/mycryptfs01:31
Estel_don't have /dev/truecrypt1 to mount my encrypted partition to.01:32
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Estel_or I'm missing something?01:32
gh0striderso does anyone have any recommendations for a phone that will work with sprint that i could install linux on and maemo products?01:34
DocScrutinizerlosetup seems to be able to mount a file to /dev/CryptedLoop1, without same time mounting /dev/CryptedLoop1 to /mst/MyCryptedStore01:34
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gh0strideri would apprecaite any advise you guys might have...01:35
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  yes, just a second, as I seem to miss the obvious01:35
Estel_how can I mount a partition or file to /dev/CryptedLoop1 without /dev/cryptedLoop101:35
DocScrutinizermkfs should format a /dev/CryptedLoop101:35
Estel_yes, but to cryptedloop1 to exist, it need to be mounted by truecrypt01:36
Estel_or losetup can "create" /dev/?01:36
DocScrutinizerI'd guess it can01:36
DocScrutinizerit's the purpose of losetup, according to manpage01:36
Estel_will try it, but what wonders me, is why the fuck it works on desktop linux and, reportedly, on other people's devices without so much hassle01:37
DocScrutinizerSetup loop device:01:37
DocScrutinizer            losetup [{-e|-E} encryption] [-o offset] [--sizelimit limit]01:37
DocScrutinizer                    [-p pfd] [-r] {-f[--show]|loopdev} file01:37
Estel_NIN101 tried it fwq hoursd ago and he was just able to mkfs.ext4 /de//truecrypt1 so I wondeer wtf01:37
Estel_missunderstood that01:37
Estel_ok, will try01:37
Estel_dev* not /de// of course >> (...) he was just able to mkfs.ext4 /dev/truecrypt1 (without hassle)01:38
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Estel_damn, it's beyond my understanding01:41
Estel_even when I suceed at creating /dev/01:41
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Estel_*isn't* properly decrypted without truecrypt01:42
Estel_and if I truecrypt mount loopback device01:42
Estel_same story01:42
Estel_won't mkfs it due to it being mounted01:42
Estel_losetup can't decrypt it without truecrypt that provides passwords and keyfiles.01:42
DocScrutinizerI never looked into truecrypt - would expect they have a decent wiki page that deals with "how to format a raw file to hold a truecrypted FS"01:43
Estel_heh, they have01:43
Estel_mkfs.* /dev/mapper/truecrypt101:43
Estel_it should damn work out of the box01:43
Estel_that's the thrill.01:43
Estel_On desktop ikt works. NIN101reported that it also works for him01:44
DocScrutinizermaybe your kernel isn't up-to-date01:44
Estel_TrueZCrypt can also mkfs it just after creation, automaticaly. And, while trying that, ekfs2 complained about it being mounted01:44
Estel_well, NIN101 uses same kernel-power01:45
Estel_it seems, that only my mkfs complain01:45
DocScrutinizerquite obviously encrypted FS is using kernel level FS drivers01:45
Estel_yes, properly loaded01:45
Estel_it *is* decrypted properly01:45
Estel_if i provide wrong password, it complains01:45
Estel_with good password, it mount it properly as raw partition01:45
Estel_the only thing that doesn't seem to work as it should is damn mkfs01:46
DocScrutinizerpragmatic solution: copy the already formated "empty" raw file to N90001:46
DocScrutinizerfrom PC01:46
Estel_tried mkfs.ext2, *.ext3, *.ext401:46
gh0striderno suggestions for any other phones for linux and maemo products other than n900?01:46
Estel_can't do, it's a partition, not file01:46
Estel_file is utterly useless on wear-leveled storage01:46
DocScrutinizerdd then :-D01:46
Estel_that's the option :P01:47
Estel_gh0strider,  You wont't use "maemo products' on non Maemo phone01:47
Estel_especially on android01:47
Estel_and wtf is that springnet You need to use so badly?01:47
gh0striderEstel sprint network01:48
gh0strideris there any maemo phones that might work with sprint?01:48
Estel_is it some closed propertiary p2p?01:48
infobotSprint is a company that promises you the blue sky yet fails to deliver everytime. Do yourself a favor and don't call 1-800-PIN-DROP.01:48
Estel_may I ask You why You need sprint network?01:49
gh0striderEstel_: i signed a 2 year contract with them, i really did not want to go with sprint but my girl's sister works for sprint so we signed up with her on a 2 year contract...01:50
Estel_what a meritocratic reason ;)01:50
Hurrian@ghostrider: better question is "do any maemophones have a CDMA chip" ?01:50
Estel_AFAIK there *is* solution to use such strange wifi provider in N90001:51
SpeedEvilHurrian: There are two public maemo phones.01:51
Estel_You're talking about wifi, no CDMA, yep?01:51
SpeedEvilHurrian: The n900, and the n9.01:51
SpeedEvilHurrian: That's it.01:51
Estel_N9 isn't maemo01:51
DocScrutinizergiving the money directly to her would've been a better ratio tahn paying for sprint to give her 0.5% provision01:51
SpeedEvilEstel_: debatably01:51
Estel_N9 is unknown harmattanish object01:51
SpeedEvilThere are up to two then,01:52
Hurriansucks for americans to have the best networks be CDMA and not GSM like the rest of the world01:52
gh0strideri know i can order a n900 but i would like to get a phone that i could use and install linux on it and since i am with sprint i need a phone that will work with sprint...01:52
Estel_gh0strider,  I don't know any phone with cdma any way, but americans got some, probably01:52
Estel_buy a tablet + cdma modem?01:52
Estel_or even better, network?01:53
SpeedEvilgh0strider: you can't install maemo on a phone, even if you can instlal linux.01:53
Estel_or, buy a cdma modem that got linux driversand use it with N900 via hostmode?01:53
gh0striderya i have been using linux for awhile but i am brand new to this whole mobile linux phone area...01:53
Estel_otherwise, SpeedEvil is totally true so no joy for You01:54
Hurrian@gh0strider lots of android phones have CDMA versions. if you want, grab the cheapest crapola android phone with wifi tethering01:54
Estel_...and tether wifi to N90001:54
gh0strideri think i am going to have to go with an android phone01:54
Estel_would also do01:54
gh0strideri think they have some ubuntu android versions out there...01:54
Estel_no, they have not ;)01:54
Estel_android != GNU01:54
Estel_only linux kernel01:54
Estel_and that is even changing lately01:55
infobotit has been said that android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open., or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible01:55
gh0striderEstel_: i think you know what i meant...01:55
gh0striderno need to be so technical01:55
Estel_to be honest, no01:55
DocScrutinizer~factinfo android01:56
infobotandroid -- created by TimRiker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> at Tue May 27 20:54:25 2008 (1325 days); last modified at Fri Jul 11 20:47:02 2008 by mjr!; it has been requested 21 times, last by Estel_, 55s ago.01:56
Hurrianif linux hw support wasn't good and bsd driver support wasn't shit, google could port the entire Android stack to *BSD ;)01:56
gh0striderokay if thats how you feel...01:56
Estel_I don't see any relation between ubuntu and androidp on any level01:56
DocScrutinizera genuine timriker factoid :-D01:56
DocScrutinizermentioning Neo01:56
gh0striderthis channel is harsh... =-P01:56
Estel_gh0strider,  no harsh intended01:56
Hurrian@gh0strider you should see tmo.01:56
Estel_I *really* *honestly* don't know what You mean by ubuntu android01:57
Estel_without any irony on layer 201:57
Hurriani think he means a chroot01:57
Hurrianwhich is ass-backwards, painful and stupid on so many levels01:57
Estel_ah, maybe01:57
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Estel_well, our ED chroot is working well lately thanks to Sulu and others work. I doubt Android got so qorking chroot01:57
Hurriani've been trying to bear with unity 2d on an ubuntu chroot on a tab 8.9 - it's laggier than the android ui itself01:58
Hurrianbecause vnc01:58
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Estel_I will grill TrfueCrypt maintainer for uploading version that fails to work with mkfs on my device01:58
Estel_wait, the maintainer is me01:58
Estel_well, I need to think about it for a while. BRB01:58
Hurrianand because android doesn't have a native xserver = big problem01:58
Hurrianif you want to run desktop linux apps01:59
* SpeedEvil passes Estel_ some barbecue sauce.01:59
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Estel_honestly. Could any good sould apt-get install truecrypt from -testing or -devel, then, create a 5mb or any size encrypted file container...02:06
Estel_setting truecrypt to also mkfs it with any filesystem?02:07
Estel_ot's driving me nuts02:07
Estel_NIN101 told me that it works in his case, I need to filter out if it's general bug or just me02:07
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Estel_and if me, why, why, why!02:07
Estel_it just goes ok, then, at finish, throw a message that it will not mkfs my new encrypted (and mounted by truecrypt) volume, because it's... mounted02:08
* SpeedEvil finds that his wifi net won't connect again.02:09
Estel_same if I try manually to mkfs it02:09
* SpeedEvil stabs icd and reboots.02:09
Estel_ShadowJK,  You know how eMMC wear-*leveling works...02:11
SpeedEvilNobody does.02:11
SpeedEvilUnless they're in the right bit of toshiba.02:11
SpeedEvilIt's a secret.02:12
Estel_does it respect partition layout, i.e. level only on surface of partition, or throws the f* parts all over flash?02:12
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Estel_hate forced wear-leveling02:12
SpeedEvilThe general consensus based on what seems to be occurring based on fragmentary info is that:02:12
Estel_OS and filesysten should control that02:12
SpeedEvilThe blocks - eraseblocks are 256K or so. You can't erase a finer grain than this.02:12
SpeedEvilEvery 1024 blocks or so are gathered into a wear leveling zone.02:13
Estel_yea, that's true. Thanks. Any info on respecting partition layout?02:13
SpeedEvilOf this, 1000 blocks are used, and 24 are spare02:13
Estel_i.e. dd'ing entire partition, I can assume that wear level was fooled, or will I have nd copy of my encrypted blocks all over a drive?02:13
SpeedEvilThe wear leveling occurs per-zone over the 1000 blocks, until an error over a threshold  occurs at which point a spare block is mapped.02:13
SpeedEvilIt's probable that the partition will be mostly respected02:14
SpeedEvilbut where it straddles 'zones' - the edges will blur.02:14
SpeedEvilThe simple reason is that you don't want to have to scan over the whole disk to find a sector.02:14
Estel_thanks for nice summarizaing02:15
Estel_if You got more info, go on02:15
Estel_it's interesting.02:15
Estel_I'm just b****ing about wear leveling in meantime02:15
SpeedEvilIf you only have to look in a small block table, for 1000 blocks, it considerably speeds things up02:15
SpeedEvilthat's about it alas.02:15
Estel_well, on microSD cards transparent wear-leveling really does respect partitions? I though it doesn't02:15
Estel_I would suspect same would apply to our eMMC02:16
SpeedEvilWhy do you think it does respect partitions?02:16
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Estel_I thyink it doesn't02:16
Estel_as hardware leveling -> partitions -> logical filesystem02:16
SpeedEvilanyway - on truecrypt - walkthrough needed if you want a tester02:17
Estel_so, making 2 patitions on sd card and running flash killer on only one of them02:17
Estel_SpeedEvil,  with pleasure02:17
Estel_on wear-leveling - killing partitioned sd should be faster than non partitioned from same batch02:17
Estel_i.e. half of sd should die quicker than whole sd02:18
Estel_yet, it seems to die exactly the same speed02:18
SpeedEvilpossibly, yes.02:18
Estel_as for truecrypt02:18
Estel_as for truecrypt yep?02:18
Estel_now root in xterm02:18
SpeedEvilThe fundamental problem is there is no insight into the process.02:18
Estel_fuckin closed&forced wear leveling02:18
SpeedEvilThe above could be true for card A, but false for v1.1 of card A from the same maker02:19
Estel_on Gui, choose "create volume"02:19
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Estel_then, leave "file container" and hit return or click next02:19
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Estel_go through all options, choose for example to create file container on mydocs and make it 5MB size02:20
SpeedEvilI see no gUI after apt-get install truecrypt02:20
Estel_encryption and hash doesnt matter02:20
Estel_'truecrypt' from root doesn't give You a GUI?02:20
Estel_are You sure that You have extras-testing or -devel and apt-get update recently?02:21
Estel_there is no deasktop icon02:21
SpeedEvilpossily not updated - hangon02:21
Estel_You start GUI from terminal (well, CLI is also available)02:21
SpeedEvilstarted truecrypot, and it's a cli02:21
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Estel_new version makes use of XTD modules from kp, and falls back to -m nokernelcrypto if modules aren't present02:24
SpeedEvilI assumed apt-get would update, when on reflection, it probably doesn't02:24
SpeedEvilstock kernel02:24
Estel_old version had nokernelcrypto hardcoded02:24
Estel_shouldn't matter02:24
Estel_it will just fallback to -m nokernelcrypto02:24
Estel_apt-get never updates when not asked to ;)02:24
Estel_thanks a_ain for testing it02:24
SpeedEvilham is slow02:25
Estel_FAM here02:25
SpeedEvilupdating a few packages02:28
SpeedEvilincluding truecrypt02:28
SpeedEvil'kernel does not support...' using ...02:33
SpeedEvilformatting aes file on mydocs02:37
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Estel_now, follow my walktheough from backscroll of our irc talk02:37
Estel_which filesystem?02:37
Estel_You used?02:37
SpeedEviland made FAT fs02:37
Estel_SpeedEvil,  it seems that only my mkfs complains02:37
SpeedEvil'volume created'02:37
Estel_thanks for it...02:37
DrGrovWhere is the right place to ask Nokia N9 related questions?02:38
Estel_I got it encrypted properly but halt when mkfsing02:38
Estel_DrGrov,  at Nokia support ;)02:38
SpeedEvilmkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)02:38
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DrGrovEstel_: I mean here on IRC.02:38
Estel_my mkfs complain that "is mounted; won't make filesystem there!"02:38
Estel_DrGrov,  check for harmattan irc02:39
SpeedEvilI made a file in /home/user/MyDocs/test02:39
DrGrovEstel_: Thanks, I just read the topic and figured it out. :)02:39
Estel_hahaha same here02:39
Estel_even if it mount it manually02:39
Estel_even if it mount it manuallywith --filesystem=none02:39
SpeedEvilerr - 'file' not 'test'02:39
Estel_so it's mounted, decrypted on the fly when needed, and raw partition02:39
Estel_or file02:39
Estel_it says that it's mounted so wont mkfs02:40
Estel_driving me crazy02:40
Estel_I would just dd my partition to desktop, mkfs it there, and dd back, but due to wear-leveling...02:40
Estel_I'll get +ome clones of blocks encrypted with same header02:40
SpeedEvilerr no.02:40
Estel_= aiding cryproanalysis02:40
SpeedEvilYou cannot tell the block device from a block device02:41
SpeedEvil_everything_ is hidden02:41
Estel_yes yes02:41
SpeedEvilwear leveling is invisible02:41
SpeedEviloh - right02:41
Estel_but, wear level already spread my encrypted partitions chunks all over eMMC02:41
Estel_are You using busybox-power?02:41
SpeedEvilThis is a mostly stock system02:42
SpeedEvilI've screwed with it very little02:42
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Estel_SpeedEvil, could you write here small ojutput of02:43
Estel_losetup -f02:44
SpeedEvil /dev/loop002:44
Estel_In some forum02:44
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Estel_someone said to mkfs /dev/loop002:44
Estel_now I have no way to check if it was created by truecrypt or not02:45
Estel_will try to see whete it points02:45
Estel_don't want to mkfs unknown thing :P02:45
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Estel_SpeedEvil,  eureca, I'm mkfs'in *something*02:57
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Estel_after losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/mapper/truecrypt102:58
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Estel_my /dev/loop0 disappeared, and /dev/loop2 popped up (!!!)02:58
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Estel_yet, when I used mkfs.ext4 /dev/loop0 - despite it seemed to be non-existing02:58
Estel_it actually started mkfs'ing02:59
Estel_I just hope it mkfs'es correct partition ;)02:59
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Estel_yet, now I can't *unmount* it...03:02
Estel_truecrypt complain about it being in use03:03
Estel_and losetup plau silly, stating that03:03
Estel_losetup -d /dev/loop0       no such ioctl03:03
Estel_losetup -d /dev/loop2       no such ioctl also03:03
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Estel_SpeedEvil,  which block size and fragment size is best for ext on our eMMC?03:04
Estel_considering physical block size?03:05
Estel_I guess not 256kb, as it would mean every 100b file would take 1/4 MB from free space ;)03:05
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Estel_rebooting, brb03:06
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poroMicrosoft has wasted no time in revising its Windows Hardware Certification Requirements to effectively ban most alternative operating systems on ARM-based devices that ship with Windows 8.
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robbiethe1stFrigging hell05:19
* robbiethe1st hates MS05:19
robbiethe1stIf for no other reason than they took over Nokia. But for many other reasons as well05:19
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sethstormrobbiethe1st: quite well agreed05:37
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Guest40473Q: can anyone offer any guidance on how to modify the status string05:45
Guest40473that fremantle uses in rt-comm-presence-ui?05:45
Guest40473i see the file in ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui stores a record of it under the [General] heading05:46
Guest40473but i cannot find source in rt-comm for the '-presence-ui' component05:46
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poromaybe /usr/share/locale somewhere, or /usr/lib/ocale05:53
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bjvwhen i disconnect all accounts in the statusmenu-presence-ui on n900, update the 'statusmessage' item in ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui.cfg, then go to return from 'offline' to 'busy' in statusmenu-presence-ui06:03
bjvthe statusmenu app does not seem to re-read the file06:03
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poroeven after a reboot?06:19
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bjvif i go offline,06:22
bjvthen kill hildon-status-menu06:22
bjvand wait for watchdog to restart it06:22
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bjvthen_ it will reread the rt-comm config file06:22
bjv..not very clean process, though...06:23
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bjvhm.. user yoush got to exactly this point on 02-06-2010 , 09:13 AM06:25
bjv.. t_t
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poroi deleted all locale files exccept en_US and index stuff06:27
porobut Locale CP is ste to finland, and if i choose EN it reboots entirely, losing the change06:27
poroand, every string on the system is  lk_this_yesno06:27
poroeven after upgrading to CSSU06:27
poroapt-cache search locale shows all sorts of crap, but im not about to stab in the dark and figure out what is what06:27
poroive found short symbols are readable after a while06:28
ShadowJKso you deleted locales, and you no longer have locales? I'd call that a success06:33
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ShadowJKen in control panel is probably en_GB06:35
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bjvCP>Lang&Region>"Device language" does specify #1 as English(United Kingdom) and #2 as English (United States of America)06:39
bjvbut then again, I have not deleted all my locales..06:39
bjvfor rt-comm-presence-ui... i feel like it's unlikely there's going to be anything in gconf06:40
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bjvsince rt-comm is going out of its way to use some .conf file06:41
bjvand if there was anything useful to be found from introspecting dbus objects.. i feel like someone out there would have already documented06:41
bjvhow to set nokia presence UI account 'status message'06:42
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bjv: \  there has got to be a better way then updating ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui.cfg then restarting _all of hildon-status-menu06:43
bjvhopefully something short of decompiling statusmenu presence-ui to learn it's secrets06:44
bjvand ptracing to change status06:44
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porowell, why should it crash/reboot the entire OS when i pick a locale in the controlpanel06:46
porosounds like a bug :P06:46
poroim too lazy to find what file theGUI edits06:47
porodpkg-reconfigure locales doesnt work, cuz dokg-reconfigure doesnt exist06:47
poro~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg is rewrittenon boot or something?06:48
infobotokay, poro06:48
poroinfobot: forget ~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg06:49
infobotporo: i didn't have anything called '~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg' to forget06:49
poroinfobot: forget /.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg06:49
infobotporo: i forgot /.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg06:49
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ShadowJKIt wouldn't work anyway, since locales get mostly relocated on first boot06:51
poroye olde optification06:53
ShadowJKre updating status mesasage, does new status from status area menu's availability do anything?06:53
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ShadowJKporo; it tends to do random things after you delete or modify random things :-)07:00
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ShadowJKalso before you try it, apt-get upgrade will do bad things07:04
Sazpaimonbit of a touchy subject - is there a way to spoof the imei of an N90007:11
Sazpaimoni want to try to get my girlfriend's tracfone sim to work on it, and i hear they lock them to a specific imei07:11
Hurrianyou need some kind of flasher box to do this07:14
Hurrianand not the flashing jig kind, the "unlock phone" kind07:14
Hurrianalso depends on certain special cmt software and cmt mode to do it, and doing it wrong results in a brick (or a MALF)07:15
Hurrianhaven't seen it done on a BB5 generation phone though07:15
Sazpaimonyeah I haven't either07:16
Sazpaimonwondering if there may have been a software implementation07:16
Sazpaimonat least for the N900 :/07:16
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Hurrianmaemo's communication with mobile stack is very separated07:19
Sazpaimonoh well07:22
Sazpaimonguess she's stuck with her crap phone then07:22
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ShadowJK it's a bit like having a usb modem connected to a laptop07:24
ShadowJKexcept in n900 it's ssi not usb07:24
ShadowJKand the modem is inside, not outside :P07:25
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Hurrianif she needs a nicer phone, there are many chinadroids with changeable IMEI07:28
Hurrian...and are pretty unbrickable due to u-boot in rom07:28
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SazpaimonHurrian, yes but I have an N900 that isn't in use07:29
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Hurrianhmm, i don't see why a carrier would lock SIM cards to certain phones07:30
Sazpaimonits tracfone07:30
Sazpaimonits government supported wireless07:30
SazpaimonI think07:31
Hurrianso i'm assuming they lock it to shitty phones so that their network which is shittier than at&t's won't keel over?07:31
Sazpaimonits basically a super basic prepaid service07:31
Sazpaimoni think they use at&t's network07:31
Sazpaimonor rather, whatever network has the closest tower that they have deals with07:32
Sazpaimonshe's fine with her tracfone, but she keeps it on silent because she gets a bunch of junk calls a day07:32
Sazpaimoni wanted to give her the N900 so she could make a whitelist of numbers that ring07:32
Sazpaimonin the end I may just put her on my plan07:34
Sazpaimonbut I have a special deal going with tmobile07:34
ShadowJKN900 is high up on the unbrickable scale :)07:34
SazpaimonI have their $60/month unlimited plan07:35
Sazpaimonthat they cancelled after one day07:35
HurrianShadowJK: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mtd107:35
Hurrianit's not quite clear what the above does, just that it's unsafe07:36
Sazpaimondoesnt the n900 have a jtag interface?07:36
ShadowJKalso has a boot rom07:37
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Sazpaimonyeah I dont think there's a way to overwrite that from software07:37
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ShadowJKYou can overwrite nolo though07:38
Sazpaimoncan still be cold flashed though iirc07:38
Hurrianthe point was, mtd1 can't be remade07:39
Hurriancontaints quite a lot of apparently boot critical information07:39
ShadowJKBiggest issues generally seem to be beating PC's usb stacks into submission07:39
Hurrianbut, if you have a backup, you can probably load a kernel to dd it back07:39
Sazpaimonbut yeah, even if you could completely hose the boot rom, the jtag ports are easily accessable from under the battery07:39
Hurrianand iirc, n900 doesn't have jtag - it's USB07:40
SazpaimonI thought it had 2 usb and a serial07:40
Hurrianserial is not necessarily jtag07:40
Hurrianmy router has uart, but it's not jtag07:40
Hurriann900 has 2 usb - the one that breaks easily, and the flasher port07:41
Sazpaimonthere are 3 or 4 ports under the battery07:41
Hurrianthe serial port is the one that enables super battery draining, according to flasher-3.507:41
Sazpaimonit may be 3 ports, because two are separated and one isn't07:42
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Sazpaimonthere's two 7 pin ports at the bottom and one 14 pin port07:43
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Sazpaimonokay so the 8 pin is USB, makes sense07:44
Sazpaimonwhat are the oter 3 ports?07:44
dm8tbrthose are just groups of pins, not ports...07:44
dm8tbr8 pins is far too many for one USB port07:45
Sazpaimonyeah, the 4 ports on the 8 pin are for USB07:46
Sazpaimonmy bad07:46
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Sazpaimonso what are those two groups of pins at the bottom connected to07:48
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dm8tbrto anything that could be useful. serial ports, reference voltages, usb, sdio, ... and that is only looking at the OMAP307:56
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dm8tbrthere could be also other chips that get some of their ports routed there. e.g. the TWL/TPS07:57
dm8tbrdidn't the schematics leak at some point? you should be able to read it from those07:57
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Jiri-Hello i have problem to install as root the fcam-drivers11:51
Jiri-i used command apt-get install fcam-drivers but not working11:52
Jiri-it says that it cannot find files from ? any ide how to solve this?11:53
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Jiri-soryy my mistake my wlan connection was not working now i got it!11:57
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PaliDocScrutinizer, see
DocScrutinizerPali: no further info available, all found out by mere deduction. You need RE or in-detail investigations to find out13:21
DocScrutinizerPali: obviously there are several ways to implement that. Rootfs aka lockcode-query-process just has to check if some hash for MyDocs is still matching the actual filesystem. OTOH it's probably advisable to store the actual query=[yes|no] flag on MyDocs or /home as well, as otherwise lockcode got engaged whenever you reflash rootfs, no matter if it been active before rootfs-reflash or not. Then again, we actually seen reports that were like13:29
DocScrutinizerthat ("...*started* to ask for lockcode after rootfs reflash...")13:29
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DocScrutinizerI gather this "started to ask" will maybe happen when you set a lockcode, then disable it again, *then* reflash rootfs.  While default/virgin CAL lockcode HASH "12345" will always cause no query on boot, but obviously no way to restore *that* hash13:31
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Palisetting lock code is possible only in control panel?13:32
Paliif yes, only this cp library can do any change: /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/libcpdevicelock.so13:33
Palino, there is also library /usr/lib/
Paliwhich calling program /bin/devlocktool13:35
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Paliosso-applet-devicelock (1.4.10) unstable; urgency=low13:38
Pali  * Fixes: NB#153115 - Flashing disables locking13:38
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DocScrutinizernow if we could get the patch/source as well... :-)13:43
DocScrutinizerPali: against which PR was this NB# patch checked in?13:45
DocScrutinizerIOW which PR bersion brought the fix to us?13:45
Pali1.4.10 is last version13:45
Paliso PR1.313:46
Palithis is in chanelog file in /usr/share/doc/osso-applet-devicelock/changelog.gz13:46
DocScrutinizerPali: 2 commands starting with devlock*13:49
DocScrutinizertool and -blocker13:50
Paliok, I will see on it later. now I'm prepairing for exam (goldberg, dinic algorithm, ...)13:52
* DocScrutinizer wishes we could get rid of this docpurge abomination, maybe in CSSU13:53
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DocScrutinizer~ # cat  /usr/share/doc/README13:53
DocScrutinizerPurged by docpurge13:53
Palidownload it from
DocScrutinizerdownload what?13:54
Palideb package13:54
DocScrutinizerwhich one?13:54
Pali(which has that changelog)13:55
DocScrutinizerI wanna get rid of docpurge13:55
Palireally? not possible13:55
Paliyou need to create new FW13:55
DocScrutinizerand get all the fine manpages and /usr/share/doc13:55
Palifiasco image13:55
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DocScrutinizeranyway, have to run for work, to show I'm showing up despite feeling sick13:56
Palilibdevlock (1.0.9) unstable; urgency=low13:57
Pali  * Fixes: NB#153115 -  Flashing disables locking13:57
Palialso PR1.313:57
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* DocScrutinizer51 wonders how to change buildserver so docpurge would rum on target (or not, if users decides to disable that) rather than on buildserver14:19
Lava_Crofthmm, rum14:20
DocScrutinizer51freud-typo - I could use some tea with rum for my flu14:22
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer51: maybe they could beer it on the target too ;)14:22
Lava_Croftuse sauna and wodka14:23
Lava_Croftfixes any cold14:23
Lava_Croftwodka in dutch14:23
Lava_Crofti think if you cannot fix a disease with sauna, tar and Vodka, the disease is fatal14:25
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Macerhas anybody tried debian based on HURD?14:40
Maceror any other hurd based distro?14:40
Maceri am curious as to how well it works14:40
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vetsin_hi guys! did the Jan 12 meeting push through? where can i find the minutes?14:43
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javispedroDocScrutinizer, doesn't docpurge run on target already?14:48
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Jef91Does anyone know i there are .deb packages anywhere for a uboot that has ext2 patches built into it for maemo?15:29
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badcloudanyone notice microb isn't as stable in cssu?17:29
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merlin1991badcloud: nope17:41
merlin1991we had pretty random claims about pretty muc hevery single thing in maemo that "suddenly is worse after cssu" but microb wasn't one of them17:41
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badcloudmerlin1991: I see17:46
badcloudmodest has been crashing the $%^& out since and since I found a bug report linking it to cssu, I figured microb might be affected as well17:46
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RST38hMeanwhile: Marines in urination video interviewed!17:48
badcloudRST38h: glad we cleared that up17:49
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badcloudwhat, no followup scatology joke?17:56
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Estel_good afternoon, #maemo18:06
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RST38hI am Fatimah Mahamat, a Muslim.I have picked your email address for an18:12
RST38hinheritance of ΒΈ18.2million Pounds.Please contact me for more details via18:12
RST38hCandid, indeed18:13
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SpeedEvilShe clearly is desirous of your body.18:15
RST38heven on her deathbed? cute.18:15
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RST38hmooo javispedro18:21
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Estel_SpeedEvil,  considering our hyphotetical knowledge about characteristic of eMMC blocks etc, what is best-performance wise - block and fragment size, while creating ext partition?18:33
Estel_black humour would tell 256k (joke, of course, due to space savings reasons)18:34
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SpeedEvilEstel_: It's hard to say.18:35
SpeedEvilI would randomly guess at 8K.18:35
Estel_thx. Why so? purely /dev/random?18:35
javispedroon ext4 there's stripe-width btw18:35
SpeedEvilBery large blocks waste space.18:36
SpeedEvilToo small blocks may cause excessive rewrites18:36
Estel_agreed. Although, it would be fun to see 256k block totally negatining flash erase-write fault, though. Not so funny when having there something else than continous, few-GB archives18:37
Estel_javispedro,  wtf is stripe-width?18:37
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javispedroEstel_: it's best if you google it up as my memory is haze18:38
javispedrobut one of its uses was large erase block sizes18:38
Estel_true, thx18:38
PaliDocScrutinizer, docpurge is deb package which contains script which apt-get call after package is installed18:39
Estel_I'm using ext4 for home, easy debian, and g,low-priority truecrypt part18:39
PaliDocScrutinizer, changes must be done on device, not on build server18:39
Estel_I'll google it up - I wonder if it's used by default, or special parametermust be given during mkfs18:40
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javispedroEstel_: mkfs or afterwards via tune2fs18:41
Estel_I suppose tune2fs shold be used only on unmounted part ;) Goin to recovery console and trying, thanks a lot18:43
Estel_(due to /home/)18:44
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RST38hMeanwhile: US military access cards cracked by Chinese hackers18:59
DocScrutinizer51Pali: thanks19:00
DocScrutinizer51lo javispedro19:00
PaliDocScrutinizer51, I think that if you remove docpurge package on your n900, then all new installed packages (or reinstalled) will have proper /usr/share/doc/<package>/... files19:01
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DocScrutinizer51something to look forward to, when home from work19:02
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RST38hDoc: What? =)19:03
DocScrutinizer51(just fsckng deinstalled a wrong UBB driver for 3h)19:03
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DocScrutinizer51on XP19:03
DocScrutinizer51basically since 2 days19:03
DocScrutinizer512 boards with saame ID here19:04
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DocScrutinizer51device mgr brainfsckd!19:05
DocScrutinizer51~lart MS19:05
* infobot pushes the wall down onto MS whilst whistling innocently19:05
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DocScrutinizer51work is fun19:06
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javispedroI feel the pain19:07
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javispedrosome years ago I was developing some el-cheapo usb headphones using a ezusb and xp as host19:07
javispedroit was horrible, you could consistently (and unconsistently) confuse xp into the weirdest states possible19:08
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DocScrutinizer51installing cygwin - thoroughly fed up with redmond bullsh*t19:22
RedPenguinany way to make a bluetooth modem sharing WiFi from the N810?19:22
RST38hcygwin has got its own warts19:22
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PaliDocScrutinizer, now working on automounting support in ke-recv for usb host mode19:32
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Paliseems that problem is that ke-recv checking if device is mmc, if not - it is not return error19:33
Palibut on next lines there is checking for usb storage device...19:33
Paliat least usb storage device in host mode is properly detected by HAL and ke-recv getting event about it19:34
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RedPenguinalso has anybody ever gotten Kismet to work on the N810 with a bluetooth GPS?19:40
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PaliDocScrutinizer, Nokia disabled usb mounting for FREMANTLE in ke-recv, all code is  #ifndef FREMANTLE_MODE20:05
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DocScrutinizer51Pali: :-S20:16
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DocScrutinizer51otoh it's maybe nice20:16
* DocScrutinizer51 <3 cygwin20:18
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PaliDocScrutinizer, there is problem with hal20:25
Palihal still has usb host mode a_suspend20:25
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Palilshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc20:26
Palibut cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode show a_host20:26
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Paliso problem is that maybe kernel does not inform hal about musb changes...20:26
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RST38hMeanwhile: Ringtone causes New York Philharmonic mid-performance strike20:32
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* RzR InstalL #PresenceVnc to SharE and ControL any #DeskToP on #HarmattaN #MeeGo or #MaemO #HandSet !n950club !n9 etc20:38
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ruskie <-- hmm20:42
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Macerruskie: wth... wow...20:45
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freemangordonPali, your n900 still on repair?21:12
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Palino, I have it back21:13
Palinow I'm working on automont in host mode with ke-recv21:13
freemangordonPali, I confir the bug report on TMO re garbage on screaan21:13
freemangordonthe only time everything is ok is right after power-up21:14
freemangordondidn't test it with boot menu though21:15
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RST38hMeanwhile: Totally Drug-Resistant TB Emerges In India21:17
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javispedroRST38h: we're dooooomed21:19
RST38hjavispedro: notsufficiently doomed by TB21:20
RST38hjavispedro: just rolled back to 1910s21:20
RST38hjavispedro: Now, an air-transmittable strain of syphilis would probably do the job21:20
RST38hjavispedro: Long incubation periods, asymptomatic initial stages, you know... By the time medics find out, there will be a major clusterfuck21:22
javispedrosomehow at this moment I'd wish that deadly air-transmittable totally drug-resistant syphilis was my main problem :D21:23
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RST38hjavispedro: you wouldn't21:24
RaimuAt least it'd take time to do its thang21:25
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javispedroRST38h: btw, you saw that the tizen sdk seems to be sb2?21:30
RST38hjavispedro: yeaah, goood mooove =)21:35
RST38hjavispedro: Stskeeps apparently approves too :)21:35
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PaliDocScrutinizer, automounting in host mode is now working :-)21:44
Jef91Does anyone know i there are .deb packages anywhere for a uboot that has ext2 patches built into it for maemo?21:45
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DocScrutinizer51Pali: wow!22:05
DocScrutinizer51Pali: how about automounting of e.g. DVD drive?22:07
Palino idea22:07
PaliI cannot test it - I do not have any usb DVD drive22:07
DocScrutinizer51maybe even auto-switching to proper cursor for mouse, and xkbd layout for kbd22:08
Palike-recv only listen for hal events, but only mmc and usb events are checked by ke-recv22:08
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Palithis should be done in other daemon22:09
Palike-recv can only mount/unmount usb and mmc22:09
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maherhow do i grep my texts?22:10
Palibut CD/DVD will maybe work, usb check is only for storage name22:10
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Paliif hal send event that optical dist storage was found, ke-recv will try to use & mount it (but it will use default name 'USB device')22:11
Paliif hal send correct filesystem, ke-recv will mount it22:11
maherdoes anyone know where they are stored on the mmc?22:12
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NIN101with texts you mean SMS?22:13
maherNIN101: yes22:14
NIN101sqlite database in /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger or something22:14
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maherNIN101: cool - thanks...22:19
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antman8969anyone in here have any experience with sqlite from QML?22:21
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dafoxhi. I have a (probably) stupid question, but I'll ask anyway. I'd like to set up email and calendar synchronisation on my N900 with gmail/google calendar. I've googled a bit and I've found a number of different applications and guides etc. However I have no idea which ones are the best. Can you please give me some recommendations on what applications to use? Also one thing that I'm wondering is wether or not this is going to cost much diskspace? I23:18
dafox'd prefer for the phone not to cache my whole gmail folder or anything like that, just keep the last X days or connect to gmail on the fly?23:18
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poro   getmail/fetchmail/offflineimap ?23:35
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porouse in microb and  in xterm myself23:36
porohavent tried the Mameo apps. are they good?23:36
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dafoxI guess that is my question :P I was looking for something which integrates with the rest of the apps such as the mail and calender desktop widgets23:46
dafoxwhat exactly is 'element'?23:49
dafoxaha, found the readme23:51
dafoxsemantic web eh23:51
poroit just turns emails into html, esentially23:53
poroto the extent N900 has a keyboard, mutt/notmuch work fine23:54
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dafoxcan you recommend anything not cli ?23:57
pronto|vps2'not cli'23:57
pronto|vps2you crazy man23:57

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