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| happymonkey | hello I'm having problems installing Texlive using Easy Debian but the N900 reboot during the process and now I'm getting NFS errors | 01:26 |
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| happymonkey | I've unmounted and did a few, fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk01p1 | 01:27 |
| happymonkey | and I think the actual partition is fine but the chroot seems borked | 01:27 |
| happymonkey | Can I install TeXLive on my latop and then copy it over or will that fail? | 01:28 |
| happymonkey | on the chroot that is | 01:28 |
| happymonkey | I guess everything is compiled for Arm so I would need an Arm emulator? | 01:29 |
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| _llll_ | can't think of anything that would stop you copying arm-compiled files happymonkey, but are you sure you habe room for all of texlive? | 01:42 |
| _llll_ | also tex on a phone is a strange choice | 01:43 |
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| psychologe | i have a question about shortcutd, when i uesd Browser in fullscreen mode ,i like touch proximityd sensor to back the last page... some time ago it worked good ..but now it can't work,i touch proximityd sensor nothing.i try reinstall shortcutd ,it can work ,but when i reboot N900 ,it can't work ..i used command "while true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state; done" check my proximityd sensor ,work fine..can someone konw why? | 02:00 |
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| Guest91780 | Hi, I just wonder if the difference between SDHC and SDXC require new hardware adaption for the XC functionality or just a thing like a new/updated driver? | 02:19 |
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| Guest91780 | i.e. does N900 support SDXC fully (assuming a more suitable file system)? | 02:20 |
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| Guest91780 | or just at the level of SDHC in terms of speed (for example)? | 02:21 |
| happymonkey | _llll_: it's not a phone it's an internet tablet | 02:21 |
| happymonkey | _llll_: I don't have videos or games on my N900 and ~10GB of music leaves room for a full debian install | 02:22 |
| happymonkey | _llll_: but it's not just copying, I want to install ARM TeXLive on the ARM chroot on a x86_64 laptop | 02:23 |
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| happymonkey | _llll_: not sure why I'm writing to someone who thinks putting LaTeX on a phone is a weird idea | 02:25 |
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| mueddib | hello | 02:29 |
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| plate | why is it rebooting | 02:38 |
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| plate | and ARM chroot on a x86_64 laptop< - ?? | 02:39 |
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| plate | scratchbox * QEMU ? | 02:39 |
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| plate | your debian chroot is in vfat? case-sensitivity issues? | 02:41 |
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| _llll_ | happymonkey: you do whatever you like, it's your phone. if (when) you get stuck wconfiguring tex, i can help in #latex | 02:52 |
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| okaratas | where is the maemo apt sources list files? | 03:33 |
| okaratas | Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 03:33 |
| okaratas | is empty | 03:33 |
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| mgedmin | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 03:45 |
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| merlin1991 | okaratas: most of the sources are added via ham wich in turn puts them in /etc/hildon-application-manager/cataloges | 04:11 |
| merlin1991 | and from that creates the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildonblblabla | 04:11 |
| okaratas | merlin1991, ah okay I seen thank you :) | 04:12 |
| okaratas | mgedmin, thank you sir | 04:12 |
| okaratas | I installed Scratchbox and Maemo 5 SDK | 04:14 |
| okaratas | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > | 04:14 |
| okaratas | what is the Xephyr? | 04:14 |
| okaratas | sudo apt-get install xserver-xephyr I installed? | 04:15 |
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| merlin1991 | yep | 04:15 |
| merlin1991 | you need to start the xephyr session outside scratchbox | 04:15 |
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| okaratas | hm okay | 04:18 |
| okaratas | but install Nokia-N900? | 04:18 |
| okaratas | $ busybox apt-get install xserver-xephyr | 04:18 |
| mgedmin | o_O? | 04:18 |
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| mgedmin | that's totally no | 04:19 |
| mgedmin | xephyr is a nested X server, you install it on your laptop alongside Scratchbox | 04:19 |
| mgedmin | it's necessary if you want to run your apps in a simulated Maemo 5 environment | 04:20 |
| mgedmin | I find that pretty useless and just test on my real N900 | 04:20 |
| mgedmin | (well, back when I tried to do development for the N900...) | 04:20 |
| mgedmin | (and, granted, my most of the apps I built were command-line ones :) | 04:20 |
| okaratas | mgedmin, okay I understand, thank you | 04:20 |
| okaratas | :) | 04:20 |
| okaratas | coding app strachbox and export screen xephyr, xephyr running my computers. | 04:22 |
| okaratas | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] >export DISPLAY=:2 | 04:22 |
| okaratas | okay I understand | 04:22 |
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| * mgedmin about to try the fremantle instructions at http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ | 04:25 | |
| okaratas | I read now, thanks mgedmin | 04:26 |
| mgedmin | okaratas, since you have a fresh FREMANTLE scratchbox target, could you answer a couple of questions? | 04:26 |
| mgedmin | what does 'sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL' print? | 04:26 |
| okaratas | wait | 04:27 |
| okaratas | > sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 04:27 |
| okaratas | Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 | 04:27 |
| okaratas | Devkits: qemu perl doctools svn git debian-etch | 04:27 |
| okaratas | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb | 04:27 |
| okaratas | I using Debian Squeeze | 04:27 |
| mgedmin | thanks! | 04:27 |
| okaratas | not problem, is this correct? | 04:28 |
| mgedmin | I would hope so :) | 04:30 |
| mgedmin | you ran the installer, right? | 04:30 |
| mgedmin | I'm afraid to run it, since I already have a harmattan scratchbox set up | 04:30 |
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| mgedmin | so I'm trying to use the low-level tools to set them both up next to each other | 04:31 |
| okaratas | mgedmin, hm okay what is your using development tools? | 04:31 |
| mgedmin | what? | 04:32 |
| mgedmin | I don't understand | 04:32 |
| okaratas | do you development mobile applications/tools? | 04:33 |
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| okaratas | you using scratchbox and xephr? | 04:33 |
| okaratas | is there any other development environments? | 04:34 |
| mgedmin | mostly I don't develop :) | 04:34 |
| mgedmin | my goals are to satisfy my own needs | 04:34 |
| mgedmin | so (1) I search for existing apps for the device | 04:34 |
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| mgedmin | if there are none, I (2) search for an existing Debian package I could port (by simply recompiling it in scratchbox) | 04:35 |
| mgedmin | or (3) write a shell or python script to do what I want | 04:35 |
| mgedmin | sometimes (4) there's an app that does almost what I want, so I get the sources, patch it, compile in scratchbox, send patch back upstream | 04:36 |
| okaratas | mgedmin, okay thanks :) | 04:36 |
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| * mgedmin goes to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation and O_O?! | 04:53 | |
| mgedmin | $ busybox apt-get install xserver-xephyr <-- WAT? | 04:53 |
| * mgedmin posts a small correction for http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/comment-page-1/#comment-169153 | 04:56 | |
| * mgedmin also fixes that wiki page | 04:56 | |
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| merlin1991 | mgedmin: why don't you just follow the instructions to manually install a sb alongside your harmattan targets? | 04:59 |
| mgedmin | that's what I just finished doing! | 05:00 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 05:00 |
| mgedmin | now I'm fixing the instructions where they were wrong :) | 05:00 |
| merlin1991 | hey I just noticed you were at the n9 hackaton too :D | 05:00 |
| merlin1991 | recognized your pic on your comments :) | 05:00 |
| mgedmin | o/ | 05:02 |
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| merlin1991 | If I remember correctly you had great fun getting your environment to actually terminate the app on device instead of only your ssh session | 05:03 |
| mgedmin | that's my problem right there in the nutshell: I find it more fun to set up dev environments instead of actually finishing apps | 05:04 |
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| merlin1991 | I'll have to follow those instructions to set up a scratchbox target soon myself | 05:06 |
| merlin1991 | I need a 2nd arm target for cssu builds :D | 05:06 |
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| mgedmin | I remember somebody asked me to build a newer version of bzr for fremantle... | 05:09 |
| mgedmin | tough: lots of unmet build dependencies | 05:09 |
| mgedmin | e.g. no python 2.6 | 05:10 |
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| plate | hrm. what about using debian sid libs? | 05:16 |
| plate | ive had reasonable success with that | 05:16 |
| mgedmin | it's not just a build dependency, it's a runtime dependency | 05:17 |
| plate | right, so dpkg -i python2.6 from sid | 05:17 |
| mgedmin | I'm not going to port all of debian just so a stranger can get a newer bzr on his n900 | 05:17 |
| mgedmin | my altruism has limits, you know :-) | 05:17 |
| plate | if that doesnt work, dpkg -x it into some dir that you LD_LIBRARY_PATH or $PATH into existance | 05:17 |
| plate | python from sid proably works fine with maemo's libc | 05:18 |
| plate | ive used a ton of stufffrom sid, but ended up goin gdebian fulltime eventually | 05:18 |
| plate | cuz all i used on maemo was maep/qradio, and osm-gps-map is the predecessor to maep and in a ton of distros, and qradio was trivial to compile | 05:18 |
| plate | and illume is imo a preferable WM to the wonky GTK thing on maemo | 05:18 |
| mgedmin | I'm on a N9 myself now | 05:18 |
| plate | nice | 05:18 |
| plate | i think im using Meego's kernel, actually | 05:19 |
| plate | thats what the rescueOS guy told me | 05:19 |
| mgedmin | 1 GB of RAM is strongly preferable to the dinky 256 MB | 05:19 |
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| plate | 256mb is a lot of RAM | 05:28 |
| plate | i ran Debain for years on a 48mb box fine w/ Opera, irssi, mutt, blahblah | 05:28 |
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| okaratas | hmm | 05:53 |
| okaratas | I don't installed gcc g++ :( | 05:53 |
| okaratas | # ls | 05:53 |
| okaratas | binutils_2.18.50.20070820-4+0m5_armel.deb libgcc1_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb | 05:53 |
| okaratas | cpp-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb libgomp1_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb | 05:53 |
| okaratas | g++-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb libstdc++6-4.2-dev_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb | 05:53 |
| okaratas | gcc-4.2-base_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb libstdc++6_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb | 05:53 |
| okaratas | gcc-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb linux-kernel-headers_2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5_armel.deb | 05:53 |
| okaratas | libc6-dev_2.5.1-1eglibc20+0m5_armel.deb | 05:53 |
| okaratas | error: | 05:53 |
| okaratas | Errors were encountered while processing: | 05:53 |
| okaratas | libc6-dev | 05:53 |
| okaratas | libstdc++6-4.2-dev | 05:53 |
| okaratas | g++-4.2 | 05:53 |
| okaratas | what is the problem? | 05:54 |
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| plate | your not using pastebin, and didnt paste all of dpkg's output | 06:09 |
| mgedmin | okaratas, (1) learn to use nice pastebins such as http://pastie.org instead of flooding IRC channels | 06:09 |
| mgedmin | and (2) the error message is above the bit that you pasted | 06:09 |
| okaratas | mgedmin, okay sorry I will note and using pastebin. | 06:11 |
| okaratas | I added repos and I install build-essential | 06:12 |
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| okaratas | mgedmin, I have a question, is it harmful to overclocking? | 06:16 |
| okaratas | overclock is damaged to the device? | 06:16 |
| okaratas | "kernel-config limits 250 850" | 06:17 |
| mgedmin | there was a Nokia engineer presentation during one event (forgot which) | 06:17 |
| mgedmin | and one slide said "don't overclock, you'll reduce your hardware lifetime" or something to that effect | 06:17 |
| okaratas | okay, I understand. | 06:19 |
| okaratas | but I not running kernel-config command | 06:19 |
| okaratas | what is the package? | 06:19 |
| okaratas | kernel-power-modules? | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | okaratas: overclocking pretty much guarantees you'll damage it | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | that applies to everything | 06:22 |
| robbiethe1st | Overclocking will wear out the chip faster | 06:22 |
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| robbiethe1st | The only question is, will it fail before you get rid of the device, or before something else fails? | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | heh | 06:23 |
| okaratas | luke-jr, so I will use the standard and default kernel's. | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | okaratas: power kernel is fine by default | 06:23 |
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| okaratas | luke-jr, okay thanks | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | also, you need to disassemble it and solder the USB port down | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | or it will break off | 06:23 |
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| luke-jr | you can easily damage the camera trying, so be careful | 06:25 |
| okaratas | luke-jr, I installed kernel-power-settings package, is this package is damaged and dangers? | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | dunno that one | 06:26 |
| okaratas | "This kernel version 2.6.28-omap1 is not supported" | 06:27 |
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| okaratas | I installed opera.install file and I send opera.install file to N900 | 07:09 |
| okaratas | what is install procedure to .install file? | 07:10 |
| merlin1991 | open it directly from the n900 browser | 07:11 |
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| okaratas | merlin1991, okay | 07:13 |
| okaratas | Failed to fetch http://deb.opera.com/maemo/dists/opera/non-free/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found | 07:13 |
| okaratas | :) | 07:13 |
| okaratas | what is best file manager program? | 07:14 |
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| r00t|home | okaratas: bash | 07:43 |
| r00t|home | (+gnu fileutils) | 07:44 |
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| Sicelo | u can install packages for unzip/unrar | 08:35 |
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| ultra420 | Finally i fixed my N900's hardware problem.it is caused by the flash memeory chip on the board. it costed me $40.0 .-_-! Then the error code in dmesg "I/O error read ... failure" never came up again. | 09:24 |
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| Sicelo | huh? | 09:27 |
| Sicelo | u replaced chip? | 09:27 |
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| Pali | hello, what is preffered way to reboot N900? | 13:14 |
| Pali | dsmetoo -b | 13:14 |
| Pali | reboot | 13:14 |
| Pali | or /etc/init.d/minireboot ? | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | shutdown -r -t 0 now? | 13:16 |
| Pali | and how dsmetool -b working? I see that after reboot n900 does not ask me for PIN code | 13:16 |
| Pali | SpeedEvil, I think that shutdown should be only wrapper for halt, poweroff and reboot | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly | 13:17 |
| Pali | or do same... | 13:17 |
| Pali | so in n900 is upstart init daemon | 13:17 |
| Pali | SpeedEvil, any idea why after reboot with dsmetool does not ask me for PIN? | 13:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 13:19 |
| lofty306 | whaat i do? | 13:19 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, see ^^^ do you know someting about dsmetool? | 13:21 |
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| badcloud_ | is there a flashable image of gentoo for the n900? | 13:32 |
| joga | heh I wonder how long it would take to compile openoffice on the n900 | 13:32 |
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| badcloud__ | stupid net connection... | 13:33 |
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| Sicelo | badcloud__: as luke-jr for his :) | 13:35 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, any idea about dsmetool? | 13:35 |
| badcloud__ | Sicelo: thanks | 13:36 |
| Sicelo | joga: loooong. btw, u are aware Easy Debian has it? | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: a bit | 13:36 |
| badcloud__ | luke-jr: link to flashable gentoo image? | 13:36 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, see about PIN code ^^^ | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 13:36 |
| Pali | if I use dsmetool -b for reboot, after reboot n900 does not ask me for PIN code | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, isn't it nice? | 13:37 |
| Pali | how it works? | 13:37 |
| Pali | it store my pin code somewhere? | 13:37 |
| badcloud__ | is it unusual for the easy debian installer to cause reboot when installing on MyDocs and without uSD (swap?)? | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | some env somewhere telling dsme to boot up "warm" and what's the PIN to use | 13:38 |
| NIN101 | afaik, no, badcloud, not unusual | 13:38 |
| badcloud__ | NIN101: ah, ok | 13:38 |
| badcloud__ | that's what I think screwed up my system | 13:38 |
| badcloud__ | I can't boot | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | with OM/SHR opkg we had the problem that a simple update failed due to missing free mem, so we used some cmdline like "for pk in `opkg --listall` do opkg --install $pk; done" | 13:41 |
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| Sicelo | interesting that people have reboots as a result of Easy Debian. been using it without issue since i got my N900 | 13:42 |
| NIN101 | on my first days with N900 I had also the reboot problem while unpacking Easy Debian. Now I don't use it anymore, i rather debootstrap debian directly from the repos. | 13:44 |
| Sicelo | within maemo? | 13:44 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, it is possible to restart N900 with 'sudo reboot' to not ask PIN code too? | 13:45 |
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| badcloudd | is shr only installable on uSD? | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably only if you'd RE what dsmetool does | 13:46 |
| NIN101 | Sicelo: yes, takes some time, but is ok. | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so why not use dsmetool? | 13:46 |
| Pali | what is differences in dsmetool -b and sudo reboot? | 13:47 |
| Pali | dsme is open source, I try to find how it works... | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strace dsmetool will probably also show what's going on, though I guess it just sends an IPC msg to dsme daemon | 13:52 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, dsmetool only send reboot request to dsme daemon | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 13:52 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, also in dsme code is nothing about "warm" or "pin" | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's sth like credentials I bet, or maybe cmt_pw, or whatever | 13:54 |
| RST38h | Doc: Seen the Nokia news? | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, which news? | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: the alleged denied merger? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57353680-94/nokia-went-and-bought-itself-another-mobile-os/ | 13:54 |
| RST38h | No, much funnier | 13:54 |
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| RST38h | And here is the wonderful product this company is making: http://www.smarterphone.com/products.php | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Roflwpmsl | 13:55 |
| RST38h | (if you have been eating, please, stop before following these links) | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Oh, sorry, too late | 13:55 |
| RST38h | My guess is that this ugly fuckling will be ported on top of WinCE and replace Meltemi. | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm betting patents. | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Maybe I do not understand something though, dunno | 13:56 |
| mavhc | nokia doesn't get software at all | 13:57 |
| RST38h | This is real fun: http://www.smarterphone.com/blog/ | 13:57 |
| RST38h | mavhc:Not Nokia. | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: just anothr OS, MEH | 13:58 |
| RST38h | I mean, look at the wonderful progress these guys are making on their product! MultiSim! Bidirectional text! Posting to Facebook, for Tentacled's sake! Aren'tyou impressed? | 13:58 |
| joga | Sicelo, yeah I've tried it on easy debian | 13:58 |
| joga | after making a usb adapter for it it's much easier to use with a normal mouse ;) | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 38: I couldn't be less excited | 13:59 |
| RST38h | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarterphone | 14:00 |
| RST38h | Doc: Man, you do not understand the whole mobile revolution | 14:00 |
| RST38h | The user interface of Smarterphone OS is programmed in a scripting language, which is a variant of Scheme with object-oriented extensions. | 14:01 |
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| RST38h | (explains why they are only adding bidi support and facebook now) | 14:01 |
| * RST38h considers trolling Qt folks about this | 14:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Better datetime picker. << Did Nokia fianlly get a decent date/time picker to replace all the mindboggling slotmachine fsckup? HOORAY, the smarterphone purchase been worth every cent then :-P | 14:02 |
| * RST38h liked the slot machine | 14:03 | |
| RST38h | I am not sure the smarterphone folks' definition of "better" is the same as yours though | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredibly clumsy, unbearable for dates | 14:03 |
| RST38h | Maybe by "better" they mean "no need to type it as text" | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | try to convert "we meet again Friday in two weeks" to a appointment in your maemo ^W harmattan callendar | 14:04 |
| badccloud | f-ing Murphy's law; when I bash gentoo, luke-jr's around. when I want to try it out, nowhere to be found | 14:04 |
| * RST38h keeps all appointments in his head | 14:06 | |
| RST38h | badccloud: You should not have spoiled your karma by bashing something you have never used | 14:07 |
| badccloud | RST38h: well put | 14:07 |
| RST38h | badccloud: Furthermore, you shall not tarnish your karma by installing Gentoo. | 14:07 |
| badccloud | buh? | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Just get Ubuntu, like all normal people, and forget about the whole distro wars | 14:07 |
| badccloud | RST38h: how does it run | 14:08 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, in dsme code is nothing special. It only send broadcast message to all dsme modules and to dbus, that dsme changed status to REBOOT. | 14:20 |
| Pali | Then it run /sbin/telinit -t 0 6 | 14:20 |
| Pali | In dsme is really nothing about SIM/PIN code | 14:20 |
| Pali | and in dsme modules too | 14:21 |
| Pali | so maybe only if some external app monitoring dsme dbus signals and do some black magick... | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | then maybe cmt stack somewhere notices the REBOOT and stores PIN somewhere | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look, in settings there's an option "ask for PIN at boot [yes|no]" | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Or modem doesn't reauth | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | find out who's taking care about this, and you know who's doing the reboot-without-PIN magic | 14:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | maybemodem needs told to forget pin | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | when modem reboots, it shall forget PIN | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 14:25 |
| ShadowJK | iirc when my modem was crashing/autoreseting, the pin dialog reappeared | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | xactly | 14:26 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, settings option to ask/not ask for PIN is for SIM card. SIM card can support no pin option | 14:33 |
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| Pali | I tried "telinit -t 0 6" manually, but it asked me PIN too | 14:37 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarBZhZnFQs&feature=player_embedded | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | circuits drawn with pencil on a piece of paper | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | i thought that pencil has higher resistance | 15:23 |
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| fizzie | They used to unlock the clock multiplier on some AMD CPUs by reconnecting some cut traces with pencil. | 15:27 |
| fizzie | (It was quite a short gap, though.) | 15:28 |
| bindi | pencil mod | 15:28 |
| fredddd | Robot101, are you available? | 15:29 |
| bindi | and you dont reconnect anything, fizzie | 15:29 |
| bindi | you block stuff with it | 15:29 |
| bindi | i think | 15:29 |
| bindi | actually nevermind lol, stupidity on my part | 15:30 |
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| fizzie | The video might use a special pencil, though, given that it says "a conductive pen from the Lewis lab at UIUC" in the beginning. | 15:31 |
| bindi | graphite conducts electricity | 15:31 |
| bindi | argh | 15:31 |
| bindi | misread, yeah they probably have something other than a graphite pencil | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Even ordinary pencil will pullup high impedencesuff | 15:31 |
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| Pali | I think I found reason why n900 does not asking PIN after reboot | 15:35 |
| Pali | when sscd daemon is stopping it reset cmt | 15:35 |
| bindi | no pin set on sim? ;) | 15:35 |
| Pali | when I run sudo reboot in syslog is output that sscd daemon is stopping and closing cmt line | 15:36 |
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| Pali | but when dsmetool -b is called in syslog is only that sscd daemon was stopped, but no output that sscd daemon cloased cmt line... | 15:37 |
| Pali | sscd daemon is in package ssc-daemon | 15:37 |
| Pali | in changelog of that deb package is: | 15:38 |
| Pali | ssc-daemon (0.5.18.3) fremantle; urgency=low | 15:38 |
| Pali | * Do not power CMT off when APE is rebooting. Fixes: NB#145490. | 15:38 |
| Pali | NB#145490 means? | 15:39 |
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| jaska | nokia internal bugtracker reference iirc | 16:01 |
| freemangordon | Pali, Nokia Bug? | 16:01 |
| Pali | maybe | 16:01 |
| Pali | now I stopped sscd, then started manually without upstart and called sudo reboot | 16:02 |
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| Pali | after reboot was no ask for PIN code | 16:02 |
| Pali | so sscd must know when dsme started rebooting and when reboot was started throw init daemon | 16:03 |
| Pali | and really "strings /usr/sbin/sscd | grep -i dsme" show strings: | 16:03 |
| Pali | %s:%d listen to DSME signals | 16:03 |
| Pali | type='signal',interface='com.nokia.dsme.signal',member='shutdown_ind',path='/com/nokia/dsme/signal' | 16:04 |
| Pali | so sscd can handle dsme reboot and not close cmt line... | 16:04 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: hey | 16:05 |
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| Robot101 | fredddd: I made the patch and merlin1991 has built the package for you | 16:05 |
| fredddd | Robot101, I am ready, the SDK environment is setup. | 16:05 |
| fredddd | Oh. | 16:06 |
| fredddd | That does too. =p | 16:06 |
| Pali | now my question is: can we send to sscd that dbus signal (dsme shutdown_ind)? | 16:06 |
| fredddd | Did anyone test to see if it worked, and in turn suggested it to be included with CSSU? | 16:06 |
| Robot101 | I was talking to them about cssu inclusion - you need to help test it first :) | 16:06 |
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| fredddd | Sure. | 16:08 |
| fredddd | Give me the instructions and I will give it a go. | 16:08 |
| fredddd | Thank you for all the help so far Robot101! | 16:08 |
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| Robot101 | fredddd: the package is at http://188.40.39.11/~christian/cssu/libloudmouth1-0_1.4.1-0osso10.1_armel.deb | 16:21 |
| merlin1991 | fredddd: nope the package is at http://188.40.39.11/~christian/maemo/cssu/libloudmouth1-0_1.4.1-0osso10.1_armel.deb :D | 16:22 |
| Robot101 | *cough* :) | 16:22 |
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| Robot101 | and if you're curious / suspicious the patch is http://people.collabora.com/~robot101/loudmouth_1.4.1-0osso10.1.diff | 16:23 |
| fredddd | Have little experience with manually installing deb packages. x.x | 16:24 |
| fredddd | wget link | 16:24 |
| fredddd | dpkg -i package? | 16:25 |
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| Robot101 | yeah | 16:25 |
| Sicelo | yes | 16:25 |
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| fredddd | Then, reboot? Or will things be in place already? | 16:25 |
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| Robot101 | just set all your accounts offline and make sure telepathy-gabble is not running | 16:25 |
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| fredddd | How to check if it is running? | 16:27 |
| Robot101 | pgrep telepathy-gabble | 16:27 |
| Robot101 | if maemo has such a thing | 16:28 |
| Robot101 | if not, ps | grep gabble | 16:28 |
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| merlin1991 | it's easier on maemo to just issue a reboot :D | 16:31 |
| fredddd | Yes, I was considering that. x3 | 16:32 |
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| fredddd | I can easily purge it afterwards, after testing? | 16:32 |
| merlin1991 | you should be able to intall the old package with apt-get | 16:32 |
| fredddd | How can I tab complete a file name? | 16:34 |
| fredddd | On the Nokia N900? | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | xterm has a tab button on screen | 16:34 |
| fredddd | Meh. | 16:34 |
| fredddd | It requires sudo privileges. | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | ofc it does | 16:34 |
| * fredddd never does a lot of fancy stuff with his Nokia N900 must you know | 16:35 | |
| fredddd | So I must grab the root package thing. x.x | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | do you have rootsh installed? | 16:35 |
| fredddd | No. | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | get it ;) | 16:35 |
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| fredddd | I only use my N900 to use contacts, calendar, XMPP and email. | 16:35 |
| fredddd | The applications, and some desktop widgets, nothing else. | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | btw to go back the command would be "apt-get install libloudmouth=1.4.1-0osso10+0m5" | 16:35 |
| fredddd | To the old one you mean? | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | also requires root | 16:36 |
| fredddd | Yeah I will afterwards, going to test, confirm working, then step off of it to be back on the CSSU one. | 16:36 |
| fredddd | Perhaps if I developed for this device myself I would be more comfortable having all these things installed on it all the time. =p | 16:36 |
| fredddd | But I am just a simple man, that likes the convenience of official repositories. x3 | 16:36 |
| fredddd | Matter of fact I would rather get two Nokia N900 devices. x.x | 16:37 |
| fredddd | If that were the case. | 16:37 |
| Robot101 | the cssu one will be the same, you can just keep this one (which will hopefully work) until the cssu one appears and it will replace it | 16:37 |
| fredddd | A dev one, and a personal use one. =p | 16:37 |
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| merlin1991 | fredddd: if the patch works as expected the cssu package will be indeed the same | 16:39 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 16:43 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I got mail | 16:43 |
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| freemangordon | yep :D | 16:43 |
| fredddd | Rebooting the device now. | 16:44 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, it is it not working, I am going to scroll back to see the command use to capture the log and see what that gives me. | 16:50 |
| fredddd | Compared to before, it is taking quite a while to connect, after a while it just says network error and instantly retries. | 16:51 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: aww | 16:52 |
| Robot101 | LM_DEBUG=all GABBLE_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble 2>&1 | tee gabble.log | 16:52 |
| fredddd | I installed the package and rebooted, and then tested. | 16:54 |
| fredddd | But going to run the debug instance now. | 16:54 |
| fredddd | And see what the log wants to tell me. | 16:54 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, http://pastebin.com/DVi7dW2i | 17:02 |
| merlin1991 | that looks bad (TM) | 17:07 |
| Robot101 | well half the battle is done, it's /not/ matching expressionate.org with the *.expressionate.org wildcard :D | 17:08 |
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| Robot101 | why is it not finding any subjectAltName extension... | 17:12 |
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| Robot101 | how the hell does openssl s_client work again | 17:14 |
| Robot101 | I'm sure I've had it print the cert for me | 17:14 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: https://expressionate.org has the same cert? it also has a redirect loop which means my browser gives me an error rather than a certificate to look at :D | 17:16 |
| fredddd | Yeah, I am still resolving that at #lighttpd. =p | 17:18 |
| fredddd | Setup a rewrite and trying to redirect properly. | 17:18 |
| fredddd | But, regardless. | 17:18 |
| Robot101 | I'd like to look at your certificate, can you pastebin it somewhere? | 17:18 |
| fredddd | The XMPP server should not even bother doing anything with the HTTP web server @ expressionate.org. | 17:18 |
| fredddd | It is not even on the same server as the XMPP server. | 17:19 |
| fredddd | There is only one certificate, it is used for everything. | 17:19 |
| fredddd | Mail, web, XMPP, and so forth. | 17:19 |
| fredddd | I will fix the HTTP server for now hold on. | 17:19 |
| Robot101 | yes. one certificate I can't retreive for some reason :) | 17:19 |
| fredddd | There. | 17:19 |
| fredddd | http://expressionate.org | 17:19 |
| Robot101 | got it | 17:20 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, if it can be of any help, this is the SSL page, I have the standard wild card option: https://www.gandi.net/ssl | 17:28 |
| fredddd | Gandi has their own channel on this network at #gandi-hosting were you to direct any questions towards them regarding their SSL operations. | 17:29 |
| fredddd | But in the end they seem to be a COMODO reseller. | 17:29 |
| Robot101 | the certificate looks OK to me, I'm trying to figure out why our code won't match it | 17:31 |
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| Robot101 | how the utter (&*(AS is OpenSSL meant to work | 17:37 |
| fredddd | The command line thing? | 17:38 |
| Robot101 | no, looking at the X509 API | 17:38 |
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| ShadowJK | is that some key exchange thing? | 17:41 |
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| Robot101 | it's the X509 is the formatting/representation of SSL certificates | 17:43 |
| Robot101 | OpenSSL has API for parsing/manipulating/etc them | 17:43 |
| Robot101 | fredddd's certificate isn't being accepted by the XMPP client on Maemo, so I copied in some newer code... but it's not working either | 17:43 |
| Robot101 | :/ | 17:43 |
| Robot101 | our company OpenSSL guru (who wrote the code) isn't online atm | 17:44 |
| luke-jr | [06:36:27] <badcloud__> luke-jr: link to flashable gentoo image? | 17:44 |
| luke-jr | ^ lol | 17:44 |
| fredddd | If it can be of any help, as I find myself to be of little help towards you guys in this, Gajim (desktop XMPP client) operates through it fine. | 17:44 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: jooi, have you tried Empathy on the desktop? | 17:44 |
| fredddd | Looking it up. | 17:45 |
| Robot101 | it would be useful to know if that didn't work too, as we'd know this code actually didn't work with your cert at all, eliminating some doubt about OpenSSL on Maemo somehow | 17:45 |
| fredddd | Is it a GNOME 3 thing? | 17:45 |
| fredddd | I use Trisquel GNU/Linux, it is based on Ubuntu but throwing all the non-free stuff out, it is still using GNOME 2. | 17:46 |
| Robot101 | it's a GNOME thing - since GNOME 2 | 17:46 |
| fredddd | Trisquel comes with Pidgin by default, so I guess not? | 17:46 |
| fredddd | Installing it. | 17:46 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, working fine on first sight. | 17:48 |
| fredddd | Installed it, gave my details, it logged in and showing my contacts. | 17:48 |
| fredddd | Ah. | 17:49 |
| fredddd | Encryption Required is not ticked by default. | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | thats fine | 17:49 |
| fredddd | I ticked Encryption Required. | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | it opportunistically encrypts - but you could tick that and log out / in again if yu want | 17:49 |
| fredddd | Disabled, enabled, still working fine. | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | cool | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | ok so something weird is going on | 17:50 |
| fredddd | Empathy looks lovely. | 17:50 |
| Robot101 | I have to turn on X509v3 somehow? | 17:50 |
| fredddd | If it supports GPG I might use that instead. | 17:50 |
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| Robot101 | it doesn't :( sorry | 17:50 |
| fredddd | x.x D: | 17:50 |
| fredddd | =c | 17:50 |
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| fredddd | Back to Gajim then. :X | 17:52 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, are building new kernel? | 18:05 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, any news? | 18:33 |
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| Robot101 | fredddd: am a bit stuck, waiting to find a guru / friend with more OpenSSL skillz than me | 18:35 |
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| fredddd | Alright. | 18:35 |
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| Robot101 | fredddd: the guy who wrote that code is looking at it atm on #telepathy :) | 19:51 |
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| fledermaus | fredddd: hello - you were able to connect from your desktop, right? was that using openssl or gnutls? | 19:55 |
| Robot101 | fledermaus: ubuntu so I guess gnutls | 19:57 |
| Robot101 | (ohh...) | 19:57 |
| fledermaus | I'm going to build a wocky version with openssl and see if it can get past the ssl stage | 20:00 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen MohammadAG | 20:16 |
| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'javispedro, ssu chan'. | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG, ping | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I actually wonder why everybody is asking infobot first whether somebody is here, rather than just looking at userlist or simply trying tab nick-completion | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2012-01-07 19:20:30] <DocScrutinizer> !seen ChanServ | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-07 19:20:31] <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer, if you can't see ChanServ here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ | 20:20 |
| bindi | /whois is a wonderful tool too | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, because presense in userlist does not giva a clue what is user activity | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so does infobot ~seen ?? | 20:22 |
| dm8tbr | for that god gave /whois | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | well, "~seen" WFM | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-07 19:16:15] <infobot> mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'javispedro, ssu chan'. | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | *very* informative | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | this tells me... err.. that moh is on 4 chan. well I could see this in the userlists if I wouldn't already know by heart. It also tels me what he posted last - hell, what a wealth of info | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3 chan actually | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | (typo) | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, apart of my IRC skills, do you have any sign from MohammadAG when the CSSU update will happen? | 20:26 |
| dm8tbr | .oO(on 4chan...) | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG seems virtually unreceptive as usual for the last months | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | (nod) | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | worse is he denies the fact and the problems this introduces for the rest of us | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | yeah, you know I agree on that | 20:28 |
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| merlin1991 | I'll ask him about taking over when he doesn't show till sunday | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | can't be that we wait for that testing release forever when we already have new stuff in line | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | and the worst is that the one with powers to change that does not seem cooperative too (I mean X-Fade). merlin1991, as you probably remember we've discussed that 2 months ago. | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | backup admins, al this stuff | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | *all | 20:30 |
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| Estel_ | NIN101, ping? | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, somehow CSSU is really starving, almost dead | 21:05 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ? | 21:06 |
| fredddd | Uh. | 21:07 |
| fredddd | Robot101, did he leave? | 21:07 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: pinged out I guessed | 21:07 |
| Robot101 | to be fair to him, it is the weekend, and what I was asking him to look at is identical to his job... :) | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Doc: What have you contributed to CSSU,personally? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | me??? ranting ;-P | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you probably better ask others about that | 21:11 |
| RST38h | Doc: Here you have it. | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | peronally I hope I gave good advice every now and then | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | YMMV | 21:12 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Israel Says It Will Treat Online Credit Card Theft As It Would Terrorism | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff, in Israel waering wring clothes is terrorism | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | wearing wrong clothes* | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | Doc: No, I think they meant a ittle different thing | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | They are basically saying that they will not abide international borders when fighting cc theft, same as they do it with terrorism | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | did they ever respect nation borders, on any topic? | 21:14 |
| RST38h | more or less | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:15 |
| RST38h | But then, neither do many other states, when it comes to their pet peeves | 21:15 |
| RST38h | Considering CC theft one of these peeves is new though. | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, publicly announcing it is *maybe* new | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding this particular issue of playing world's deputy rangers, Israel always been USA's special forces | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter what the reason to act however they deem appropriate, in any region in the world | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | be it CC theft, hacking, terrorism of *any* kind (according to their definition of terrorism), or mere industry espionage | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | active of course, not defense against... | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Doc: Man, spare us all from conspiracy theories | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's no conspiracy neither theories. That's plain facts you can find in even wikileaks embassy bulletins | 21:22 |
| RST38h | URL or it didn't happen. | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | google is your friend | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I wasn't folllowing discussion from the beginning, so I don't know what is Your problem with CSSU (that got quite a momentum now, if You ask me) | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, that's very basic common knowledge for slightly politically interested people | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | but, as with USA-Israel thing, it's common knowledge | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | hah | 21:23 |
| merlin1991 | well Estel_the problem is there is momentum, but no way to get the build stuf into the repo | 21:24 |
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| Estel_ | what? bug again? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, mere "not available" | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Ok. No evidence - no doughnut. | 21:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer hates doughnuts ;-P | 21:25 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | wikileaks' embassy bulletins are a good evidence though | 21:25 |
| RST38h | URL? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | as is USA's reaction against Asange resulting from that | 21:26 |
| * RST38h will rig a script to ask for URL every time someone mentions "good evidence" | 21:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sorry dude, if you never heard of wikileaks, I can't help | 21:26 |
| Estel_ | screw wikileaks, I've just checked irc log | 21:26 |
| RST38h | URL to a particular US embassy bulletin supporting your claim. | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm not your private google service | 21:27 |
| Estel_ | goddamnit, I know MohammadAG contributions etc | 21:27 |
| Estel_ | but, with all due respect | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Mohammad is an obvious terrorist, yes | 21:27 |
| Estel_ | can't the maintainer be changed like it was with kernel-power? | 21:27 |
| RST38h | And monkeys fly out of my ass every morning | 21:27 |
| Estel_ | RST38h, it's sophism | 21:27 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer asked You to google for specified wikileaks material | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Estel: CSSU-wise, if you would like to contribute, you contribute | 21:28 |
| Estel_ | RST38h, can contribute, if maintainer isn't pushing new version | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: stop that bullshit please | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | Estel: But if you just want to bitch about nobody working on it...you know where it goes | 21:28 |
| Estel_ | open irc logs and check conversation with freemangordon | 21:28 |
| Estel_ | RST38h, again with all due respect, I'm not sure if You ever know what we're talking about | 21:29 |
| * RST38h has read a lot of freemangordon's logs | 21:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not, RST38h is in a mood to argue - nothing else | 21:29 |
| RST38h | [and knows what the issue was between freeman and Doc] | 21:29 |
| Estel_ | I don't see particular reason of arguing with people ranting, that contributions aren't pushed to -testing, because maintainer playis with N950 toy | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, issues? tell me more about it | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | issue, lol? | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or STFU now! | 21:30 |
| fledermaus | fredddd: what version of openssl are you using there, ooi? | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | they seemed to agree 100% to me | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | url to IRC log line about their issue or it didn"t happen - to give You a taste of Your own medicine | 21:31 |
| fredddd | fledermaus, I use Trisquel. | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: +1 :-D | 21:31 |
| fredddd | http://packages.trisquel.info/dagda/ | 21:31 |
| fredddd | Sorry, I have to go. D: | 21:31 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, freemangordon, anyway. Isn't it time to ask Ĉouncil' to contact goddamnit X-fade to replace CSSU maintainer, due to unresponsivness without prior warning? | 21:32 |
| Estel_ | AFAIK there is no problem of having multiple maintainers | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | not replace, extend to a stand-in | 21:33 |
| Estel_ | so, it can be even +add another| instead of ~replace | 21:33 |
| Estel_ | yea | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991 seemed to stand up | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu-S was flawless so far | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd support this | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991 doing an awesome job | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-07 19:29:16] <merlin1991> I'll ask him about taking over when he doesn't show till sunday | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | nice | 21:37 |
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| Estel_ | I agree that merlin1991 is de facto maintainer now | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: please consider supporting merlin1991 to maintain cssu-t | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | X-Fae isn't reading irc anymore. He's ignoring Pali's pings for half of an years | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | pings about problem with repository bug, I must add | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: MohammadAG obviously got some RL right now, and that's a good thing - for him. Not for CSSU though. So he needs a stand-in | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ^^^ | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I thought it's just me who got on his ignore list | 21:39 |
| Estel_ | I love real life. Yet, I hate, when people warp out to real life without leaving a single note about it | 21:39 |
| Estel_ | Well, it's nice to get money from Nokia as full-*time job | 21:39 |
| Estel_ | then, shift interest to other projects (tm) and check mail once per 6 months | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | other interests == meego/harmattan | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | That's why I'm supporting the idea of cutting ties to Nokia as soon as possible - they're unresponsive on even simplest things | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | yea | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 21:41 |
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| Estel_ | You know, SD69 can't even get info about ,bandwidth usage statistic of maemo.org infrastructure | 21:42 |
| Estel_ | fow 3 months already ;) | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sucks | 21:42 |
| Estel_ | BTW, slightly different topic - queswtion for old hardware hacker like You | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hurry! | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm leaving | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | You've probably heard about USB VGA adapters (in reality, simple USBZ video cards) - some of them even got linux modules | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | but it's pita to find one woprking flawlessly under linux | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | I thought about using Raspberry Pi | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, as the makers release no specs | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Estel_: not insane | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro used one of such critters with H-E-N | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | as device acting like such thing | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Estel_: you could implement a gadget driver on pi. | 21:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer waits for the question | 21:44 | |
| SpeedEvil | Estel_: Acting like a USB ethernet adpator that implemented VNC | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Or X, or whatever | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81408 | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, later. Sorry | 21:45 |
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| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, nice | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, no worries, see ya | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | well, I got idea, but lack knowledge if it's even possible, and if yes, how | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil think that it's possible to use Rasp as gadget usb tool | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | it would be nice | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, VNC and USB-ethernet is thing I thought about | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | but, isn't VNC little too slow? | 21:46 |
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| Estel_ | You know, lets put aside performance wasting, isn't there any other way of sending video data more directly? | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | some other, more real-time remote desktop solution (FOSS of course) would work, but, erm, encapsulating our desktop etc over usb to raspberry hdmi out (take my non-technical use of words with grain of salt) would be best | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | X forwarding over SSH seems to be a little buggy when N900 runs forwarded programs | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Estel_: yes, quite | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you just use X | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | as the 'easy' way | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | export DISPLAY=pi:0 | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | and you're done | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | is it possible to achieve with existing tools, or one need to develpp/code own? | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | yay, sounds nice | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | (if X is up on the pi, and configured to accept connections | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | expected performance (i.e. low/none lags)? | 21:50 |
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| Estel_ | as my very low knowledge about X goes, it should be blazing fast? | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 21:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | For normal stuff, fine. | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | and support different resolutions? (other than our 800x480) | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | For video, it will depend on how it's implemented | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | the resolution is whateve the resolution of the display is | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | normal stuff is my priority, but video is alsol interesting. Any hints on best method to implement? The close we get to have hassle-free HDMI output on N900 (using raspberry pi, of course), the better | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | video using DSP on N900, no way to interface to USB | 21:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | The 'best' way is to ship the video compressd over onto the pi, and do it there | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | USB max bandwidt (theory) ~40MBps | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | see SpeedEvil ^^^ | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | yes, I thought about that also | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | pi seems to be quite capable here | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | but, desktop, Easy Debian, browsers, etc should all work well? | 21:55 |
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| Estel_ | and, it's possible to forward sound through USB, to make use of HDMI sound capabilities? | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | I don't mean songs, as this can be thrown into pi | 21:56 |
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| Estel_ | or even Pi can use N900 vfat in mass storage mode | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | and play it's content | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | vfat or whatever we feel fancy | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | I mean sound generatedd by programs on N900 | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | let's say dosbox, from top of my head. May also mean more 'creative' things, than gaming ;) | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | it's not a must, but would be nice addition | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA ;-P | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | same thought here. Bandwidth should be sufficient? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply a USB soundcard emu | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | 0_o | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, audio no problem | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | Hm, so beside videos, any thing that we suppose would *not* work? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, video | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | 3D programs on N900 - no problem? | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | like in "webcam" | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | might miss isochronous mode, H-E-N/N900 not supporting it | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | 3D things processed by dsp? (OpenGLES) | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | I see | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | webcam like video doesn't seem very important at first glance | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, VNC can handle it, no? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | (3D) | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | VNC can handle, but it's too slow | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | X should handle it? | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good question | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | or, actually, I dunno | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | have to run cya | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | ok, marked for "we'll see during tests" :D | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | bye! | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, Your thoughts about DSP processed 3D programs (games?) exported through X? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | your question: "what's the relationship between X and gles?" | 22:03 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: "It's complicated" ;) | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D o/ | 22:03 |
| hiemanshu | \o | 22:04 |
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| Estel_ | ;) | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | xkcd could have comix about it | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | Anyway, having 100% FOSS, GNU/Linux compliant "USB gadget" that gives N900 abilioty to display via HDMI out on any sane resolution | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | + this "gadget" being another small true computer, capable also of acting as USB LAN adapter | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | and able to do plentora of other things | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | for 25$/35$ + shipping | 22:10 |
| Estel_ | is overkill IMO | 22:10 |
| Estel_ | I'm going to | 22:10 |
| Estel_ | buy ~10 of them | 22:10 |
| Estel_ | @ first batch | 22:10 |
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| Estel_ | ~chromium on maemo | 22:16 |
| infobot | from memory, chromium on maemo is browser that is 100% functional on N900, including synchronization and extensions, via Easy Debian | 22:16 |
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| plate | 100 percent lloop-mounted molasses flash + 256 ram swaphell yes | 22:19 |
| plate | midori/tear are decent | 22:19 |
| plate | chrome is a bloated pig | 22:20 |
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| * Sicelo doesnt use it at all | 22:21 | |
| plate | so wait , dongle an entire ARM pc off the usb for HDMI? | 22:22 |
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| Estel_ | plate, cant agree | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | I'm using chromium via easy debian as main browser on N900 | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | without any slowdowns | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | with 15+ tabs | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | plate, a for raspberry pi, yes ;) | 22:25 |
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| Estel_ | without sacrificing possibility of Pi to do other thing | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | things* | 22:26 |
| plate | i need to disable tracker + kill microb-daemon | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | basically, You carry Pi with You alongside N900 and You have HDMI out for N900, USB-to-ethernet, +whatever HYou feel fancy and configure pi to do | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | for 25 or 35 (if LAN) $ | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | plate, I'm using ED on dedicated ext4 partition | 22:27 |
| plate | and no usbhostmode cuz pi is host? | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | Pi can be host, but can be gadget to | 22:27 |
| plate | cool | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | I have no idea, but I think no hostmode is needed | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | as it would be USB networking | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | doesnt matter who is host | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | then, N900 forward X display to pi | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | over USB network | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | supercool for me | 22:28 |
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| Estel_ | as for Chromium performance - I also use N900 swap *only* on microSD (class 2, sic!) | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | correct | 22:37 |
| Estel_ | this result in /me can't wait for raspberry pi | 22:38 |
| Estel_ | VGA or DVI output was my biggest wish for N900 for a while | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this Pi thing WAY too cheap to be true, no? | 22:40 |
| plate | i heard there were supply probs due to absurd priving or so | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | hehe | 22:41 |
| Estel_ | Fortunatelly, it seems to be overcomed | 22:41 |
| Estel_ | I just hope it wont't be looking like buying new Co papers | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~dict priving | 22:41 |
| infobot | could not find definition for priving | 22:41 |
| Estel_ | like, You submit for buying 10, and get 2 | 22:41 |
| Estel_ | due to it being reglamented | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; sort of. It's weird. From what I can gather it's so closed off it actually boots from the gpu and not the cpu. | 22:41 |
| Estel_ | hey, afaik pi schemativs are available | 22:42 |
| Estel_ | i.e. open hardware like in arduino | 22:42 |
| Estel_ | isn't it? | 22:42 |
| kerio | booting from the cpu is too mainstream | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: haha | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; i mean the soc | 22:42 |
| Estel_ | I see. | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what soc? | 22:43 |
| Estel_ | ~soc | 22:43 |
| infobot | soc is, like, System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU. Send Out Cards - http://www.sendoutcards.com/ Summer of Code (a google project) U of U's School of Computing (http://www.cs.utah.edu/) | 22:43 |
| Estel_ | ok, joking | 22:43 |
| Estel_ | btw, DocScrutinizer, how to teahc infobot after few possible meanings for single term? | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | I tried to add another meaning to chromium | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | but ended up with "but chromium is already something else" | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | try chromium is also x | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which soc? | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; some broadcom thing iirc | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: | 22:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 points to snowball | 22:45 | |
| kerio | ~chromium | 22:46 |
| infobot | chromium is probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | STE nova SoC | 22:46 |
| kerio | infobot: chromium is x | 22:46 |
| Robot101 | yeah, broadcom super-closed thing :/ | 22:46 |
| infobot | ...but chromium is already something else... | 22:46 |
| kerio | infobot: no, chromium is x | 22:46 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 22:46 |
| kerio | ~chromium | 22:46 |
| infobot | i heard chromium is x | 22:46 |
| kerio | :3 | 22:46 |
| kerio | infobot: chromium is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes | 22:46 |
| infobot | ...but chromium is already something else... | 22:46 |
| kerio | infobot: no | 22:46 |
| kerio | aww, can't do it like that? | 22:46 |
| kerio | infobot: no, chromium is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes | 22:46 |
| infobot | kerio: okay | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | ... | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~forgewt chromium | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~forget chromium | 22:47 |
| infobot | i forgot chromium, DocScrutinizer51 | 22:47 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: why? | 22:47 |
| kerio | it used to be there before? | 22:47 |
| Estel_ | ~chromium | 22:47 |
| kerio | s/\?// | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~chromium | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | infobot: chromium is 1 | 22:47 |
| infobot | ...but chromium is already something else... | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | infobot: chromium? | 22:47 |
| infobot | rumour has it, chromium is browser that is working fast on N900 via Easy Debian - 100% functional, including synchronization and extensions | 22:47 |
| NIN102 | ~tritium | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | infobot: chromium is also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes | 22:48 |
| infobot | ShadowJK: okay | 22:48 |
| ShadowJK | infobot: chromium | 22:48 |
| infobot | i guess chromium is browser that is working fast on N900 via Easy Debian - 100% functional, including synchronization and extensions, or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes | 22:48 |
| ShadowJK | infobot: kerio can't follow instructions | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~chromium is probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes | 22:49 |
| infobot | ...but chromium is already something else... | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | ~chromium | 22:49 |
| infobot | i guess chromium is browser that is working fast on N900 via Easy Debian - 100% functional, including synchronization and extensions, or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes | 22:49 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: :( | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | isn't the above response the desired response? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good enough | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51; "The GPU binary also contains the first stage bootloader" | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | re raspberrypi | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lost track of your ibot messing | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 22:50 |
| Estel_ | eh | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lock chromium | 22:50 |
| Estel_ | so we won't have bootloader available on pi | 22:51 |
| Estel_ | doesn't matter for our hdmi plans | 22:51 |
| Estel_ | but would be great anyway | 22:51 |
| Estel_ | Is there *any* decent SoC that isn't closed? | 22:51 |
| Estel_ | (and isn't pita to work with?) | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang. Infobot, I'm your master! | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | maybe without the 51? | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: no :-D | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hah, missed that for so loooong | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~die | 22:54 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 22:54 | |
| Estel_ | ~DocScrutinizer | 22:54 |
| infobot | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 22:54 |
| Estel_ | ~test | 22:54 |
| infobot | If you say tset I will not be happy | 22:54 |
| Estel_ | ~tset | 22:54 |
| infobot | Shut up. | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~query | 22:54 |
| infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | "everything is on the SD card, which has a FAT32 partition with GPU firmware and a kernel image, and an EXT2 partition with the rootfs." ... " | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | "The GPU mounts the SD card, loads GPU firmware and brings up display/video/3d, loads a kernel image, resets the SD card host and starts the ARM." | 22:55 |
| Estel_ | I'm noob when it goes to booting, but sounds clever ;) | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | it sounds extremely weird | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | does it really matter which CPU runs 'uBoot'? | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | Actually this isn't uboot even | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | but they say you can replace linux with uboot instead | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why ' ' | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you always can | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for the 1st stage BL it doesn't matter (unless secure mode fsckup) | 22:58 |
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| ShadowJK | This isn't stallman compatible, because stallman would want the 18 megabyte gpu blob in flash inside the chip instead of on sd card ;) | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RMS is root mean square to me | 23:00 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, if anyone is interested, I just uploaded TrueCrypt 7.1 to -devel | 23:07 |
| Estel_ | http://maemo.org/packages/view/truecrypt/ | 23:07 |
| Estel_ | It seems that scp'ing reduced waiting time from few hours to few mins | 23:07 |
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| Estel_ | It was instantly builded and replacd devel version in under 10 mins | 23:08 |
| Estel_ | ok, going to prepare backup and test if TrueCrypt 7.1 works as it should after being swallowed by extras builder | 23:17 |
| Estel_ | see ya | 23:17 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: RMS is often root mean square, but sometimes is also Richard M. Stallmann | 23:26 |
| kerio | s/nn/n/ | 23:26 |
| infobot | kerio meant: DocScrutinizer51: RMS is often root mean square, but sometimes is also Richard M. Stallman | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: I meant to say I got a more pragmatic view of things usually | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not that richard was any bad as e.g. poettering, but Imm not as radical as he is, and sometimes I have a good laugh when this foundation is demanding to store wlan blobs in dedicated flash chips 'not to taint the purity of FOSS linux' | 23:59 |
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