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| Minze | hi there, just installed fiasco 1.3.0 and the cssu testing | 03:57 |
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| Minze | it works fine so far :) | 03:57 |
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| Minze | but why is it so that i can only find power-kernel v42 in the package manager | 03:58 |
| Minze | do i need to add some repos? | 03:58 |
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| Minze | got help here, whats the difference between the standard-kernel power, and the bfs kernel power | 05:01 |
| Minze | is there one that should be more recommendable | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | bfs is using a new multitasking scheduler, it's not verified that it is any better than the "classical" one | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | due to some problems in repository the newer powerkernel pkgs don't show up in appmanager | 05:05 |
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| Minze | k, ive just installed pr1.3 vanilla and then the cssu testing and everything is working fine, in the normal repositories i just get powerkernel v42 which is inacceptable, so i added extras-testing and extras-devel to the repos, and look there powerkernel v49 and some kernel i didnt know anything about till now (ergo bfs kernel) | 05:07 |
| Minze | and now theres the question which to take | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though you maybe also are missing the extras-devel catalog which has newer version than extras(-testing) | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, you added it | 05:09 |
| Minze | ive added the extras-devel | 05:09 |
| Minze | v49 is the newest there regarding the normal power-kernel | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | this seems correct | 05:10 |
| Minze | i want to use cleven with it, so there might be some i should prefer :)? | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ shows 47 as newest though, so there's some problem anyway. But 49 is freshest you might find | 05:11 |
| Minze | and the macchanger didnt work here with the v42 what kinda pissed me off | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no experience or idea about cleven | 05:11 |
| Minze | ive thought i heard that there is some problem with p-kernel v49, not sure if it is the same case with the bfs-kernel | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | I use 49 with fcam patched in | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | built with GCC 4.5 | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | and hardfp | 05:17 |
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| Minze | do i have to patch v49? luke-jr? | 05:19 |
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| luke-jr | shrug | 05:20 |
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| Minze | i mean for normal use, not for specific use with fcam | 05:21 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks for Your very informative messages | 06:42 |
| Estel_ | I'll look into it, trying to learn while doing so :) | 06:42 |
| Estel_ | good night! | 06:42 |
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| merlin1991 | ~seen MohammadAG | 09:04 |
| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (5d 19h 35m 48s) #harmattan (5d 19h 35m 48s) #meego (5d 19h 35m 48s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 4d 19h 15m 23s, last said: 'The pieces were transparent?'. | 09:04 |
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| BluesLee | good morning | 10:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | morning to you too | 11:28 |
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| merlin1991 | I remember there was some page on the wiki on integrating scratchbox with qt-creator | 11:59 |
| merlin1991 | but I can't find it anymore | 11:59 |
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| jack_lt | hi, tried this, but how to test it? http://www.pittnerovi.com/jiri/hobby/electronics/n900/index.html | 12:16 |
| jack_lt | wget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/hello ; wget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/:g5ann_001 , should these commands make sound? | 12:17 |
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| jack_lt | it's about the voice guided ovi maps | 12:18 |
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| Sicelo | i use the OM voice server method. works flawlessly | 12:52 |
| jack_lt | hmm easy to setup? | 12:53 |
| jack_lt | Sicelo, | 12:53 |
| jack_lt | Sicelo, when should you here sound? how can you test it? | 12:55 |
| Sicelo | yes. u just replace the index.html, install omvoiceserver, espeak, and download voice files from nokia in your language | 12:56 |
| Sicelo | om voice server has testing support | 12:56 |
| jack_lt | where do you put the voice files? | 12:57 |
| jack_lt | and where to download them? | 12:58 |
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| Sicelo | the voice files are in the link u gave up there. u can put them anywhere. omvoiceserver will then ask u for the location. i put them in MyDocs/cities/Voices/ | 13:00 |
| Sicelo | read the first post of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66985 | 13:01 |
| Sicelo | use the first 3 links, and u should be all set | 13:02 |
| Sicelo | well, 4 links, if u count the wiki :P | 13:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | an extremely nifty obscure method to trigger sound output, wget form localhost:9999 to /dev/null | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rolls up my toe nails ;-P | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there's obviously nothing that can NOT be done, under linux XD | 13:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but then maybe there's simply no other way to embed sound into a locally hosted website like maps(?), when you can't embed more straight forward approaches like JS, or even java | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just wonder if the server running to listen to localhost:9999 and then trigger audio playback, if this server is at least built as a script, nicely with socat and aplay/play-sound and shellscripting :-) | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably for that even netcat is sufficiently versatile to handle the http part | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no need for socat complexity | 13:11 |
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| user | would it be a good idea to install nitdroid to the internal memory? | 13:20 |
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| user | or are there any side-effects? | 13:21 |
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| jack_lt | Sicelo, hmm when I use omvoiceserver for searching it doesn't find anything anymore | 13:22 |
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| merlin1991 | user: for example your internal memory will be smaller for what meamo can use ;) | 13:30 |
| Sicelo | is the server running? jack_lt | 13:30 |
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| jack_lt | Sicelo, how to check or start | 13:31 |
| Sicelo | it is in your application menu. OM Voiceserver | 13:31 |
| Sicelo | and u must have downloaded the correct index.html | 13:32 |
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| jack_lt | ok, will check later, thx | 13:34 |
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| user | is there a mod/addon whatever, to mark multiple packages and then install it on a row in the package-manager? | 13:48 |
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| Sicelo | none. apt-get ftw | 13:50 |
| user | i know that it could be possible over apt | 13:50 |
| user | but the ui would make things a lot easier as you have a overview of the stuff installed | 13:51 |
| user | it makes me wonder that nobody since yet didnt create an addon or such :) | 13:52 |
| NIN101 | FAM. but to quote merlin1991: "it comes from deeper layers of hell". :-) | 13:52 |
| Sicelo | others use fapman, synaptic, etc. i never tried them | 13:52 |
| user | fapman? | 13:54 |
| Sicelo | it's FAM .. iirc fapman is the pkg name | 13:56 |
| user | how large is synaptic as the rootfs space is getting filled kinda fast :S | 13:56 |
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| user | already thought of the 8gb image, but that isnt official stuff :+ | 13:57 |
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| Sicelo | 8gb rootfs? | 13:58 |
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| jack_lt | Sicelo, it says 'server closed' for the rest the test commands works fine | 14:05 |
| jack_lt | Sicelo, but not the search function in ovi maps | 14:05 |
| Sicelo | server closed? weird | 14:06 |
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| Sicelo | try launching it from terminal to see where problem is | 14:06 |
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| jack_lt | how do I launch it from terminal | 14:08 |
| jack_lt | hmm anyway, need to go now | 14:08 |
| jack_lt | bbl | 14:08 |
| jack_lt | thx | 14:08 |
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| Minze | Sicelo: i guess so | 14:19 |
| Minze | 8gb for apps and 22 for MyDocs | 14:21 |
| Sicelo | what Minze? the rootfs? | 14:21 |
| Minze | yea | 14:21 |
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| Sicelo | i doubt that's rootfs. i think that's 8gb /home | 14:21 |
| Minze | idk, didnt check it | 14:22 |
| Sicelo | that's the same thing i want to do whenever i get around to flashing my device | 14:22 |
| merlin1991 | that's a 8gb /home since rootfs size is fixed by hw | 14:23 |
| Minze | could you explain where the difference lies between /home and MyDocs | 14:23 |
| merlin1991 | home is a ext2 I think partition | 14:23 |
| merlin1991 | whilst MyDocs is vfat in order to be able to export it via usb to windows machines | 14:23 |
| Minze | hmm couldnt it get wiped to a big ext4 partition if i only use linux-based oses like arch :# | 14:24 |
| Sicelo | if maemo was windows, Minze, /home would be (for example) drive C, then /home/user/MyDocs would be D: etc | 14:25 |
| Minze | i mean i guess there is the 4gig limitation of fat due to this? | 14:25 |
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| Sicelo | yes Minze. there is that limitation, yes | 14:25 |
| Minze | Sicelo: yep so its more or less a compatibility layer for windows to access the files | 14:26 |
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| Minze | as win cant access ext-fs till now | 14:27 |
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| Minze | well lets say not out off the box | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Prolly fair enough, yeah. | 14:31 |
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| Minze | although the n900 is a device targeting users which should be aware to mess around a bit with os's and stuff | 14:33 |
| Minze | other than for compatibility reasons an seperate vfat partition wouldnt make sense imo | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 14:38 |
| infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for patching fiasco img for larger /home | 14:38 |
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| Sicelo | true. although i think nokia also wanted a few non-geeks to use it. who would never even open xterm. i personally know 2 other people here with N900. both have zero clue what linux is. both have never used their xterm | 14:38 |
| Sicelo | \o/ DocScrutinizer | 14:38 |
| Pali | ping X-Fade | 14:38 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 14:39 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 4h 34m 14s) #harmattan (3d 4h 34m 14s) #meego (3d 4h 34m 14s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 2d 23h 14m 32s, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. | 14:39 |
| NIN101 | after all nobody forces you to keep it vfat, so no problem there. | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: X-Fade never is around on weekends and holidays | 14:39 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, ok | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: there are some dependencies in fremantle to this partition and the fs-type it has | 14:40 |
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| NIN101 | sure you have to mount it yourself or patch the scripts... | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | so just changing partition size and keeping a whatever sized vfat MyDocs is the best thing to do | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | the hack on jrtools is tested to iirc 9.99GB /home size, for 2 digits sizes you need to take care about not inserting chars when editing fisco, so you need to <<1char the value, using one of the triling blanks | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | trailing* | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MyDocs resizes accordingly auto-magically, by simply using what's left over | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think anything down to as little as 1GB for MyDocs is sane | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you'll start cursing when you want to fill your device with mp3 or movie data and notice that you need to manually mount the /home via nfs or sshfs or anything to do that | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you'll notice that tracker doesn't index /home (AFAIK) and you can't even access your movies/music in /home, unless you patch tracker.cfg | 14:48 |
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| Sicelo | if only tracker wouldn't index flash drives via h-e-n | 14:49 |
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| NIN101 | "tracker - Your lovely I/O virus!" | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | after you patched tracker.cfg, you'll probably notice that it constantly restarts indexing with every new file you write to home, and this brings your whole device incl copying files to a grinding halt | 14:50 |
| Minze | sounds good so far :) | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, doesn't it? ;-P | 14:51 |
| Minze | and yea they might also targeted some non-linux aware users, but wouldnt there be way better alternatives than a n900 | 14:52 |
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| Minze | i mean its fat bulky and doesnt come with a lot of appz | 14:53 |
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| Minze | i mean i could understand why people without a clue about linux would get themselfes a N9 as its stylish. | 14:54 |
| Sicelo | well, some were 'fooled' Minze. ominous looking device, 5Mpix camera, advertising videos.. | 14:54 |
| Sicelo | only after they owned the device did they start regreting it. ebay came handy, lol | 14:55 |
| Minze | yea i remember the n900 add | 14:55 |
| Minze | ad* | 14:55 |
| Sicelo | hmm, thanks DocScrutinizer for mentioning tracker.cfg. i think i can see a way to avoid indexing external drives :) | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, seems there's a dedicated option for that | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 14:58 |
| Sicelo | yes. | 14:59 |
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| Minze | just a little question, how do i remove unneeded stuff from the main-men(will list what i mean in a second) | 15:36 |
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| Minze | "chess, rss, blocks,marbles, usermanual, ovi-store, | 15:37 |
| Minze | ) | 15:37 |
| Minze | i didnt find em on the uninstall list | 15:37 |
| psycho_oreos | `uninstall' them? ;p | 15:37 |
| Minze | yea, sure, right. | 15:38 |
| psycho_oreos | well no, not through `app manager' but you can do it through apt-get for instance (note: may break your setup) | 15:38 |
| psycho_oreos | there's stuff like apmefo for instance where you can create a `folder' and stash all those things you don't want in there instead :þ | 15:38 |
| Minze | how to find out the correct name would be the thing to know | 15:38 |
| psycho_oreos | even catoriseplus can do it (to some other extent) | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | it comes with a matter of understanding the lying foundations of the package management system behind it. In which this case its deb and dpkg is the management tool | 15:39 |
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| Minze | so far, so right, problem is, that i guess that those apps i've just listed, are put together in a single package under another name. | 15:40 |
| Minze | as its out of the box stuff :) | 15:40 |
| psycho_oreos | its part of osso-* something :þ | 15:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | hmm I think ruskie at one stage did an extensive hacking into freeing up the maemo `kludge' though I gotta warn you that its not for the faint of heart | 15:42 |
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| ruskie | yeah | 15:43 |
| Minze | ruskie: is there a link, where a could read of your work :P | 15:43 |
| psycho_oreos | wiki | 15:43 |
| ruskie | yeah User:Ruskie | 15:44 |
| ruskie | you should find my remove list | 15:44 |
| ruskie | but there was another way to do it | 15:44 |
| ruskie | by generating empty packages to replace the actual ones | 15:44 |
| ruskie | should still have that somewhere as well | 15:44 |
| Minze | but isnt your method the nice one? | 15:45 |
| Minze | i mean its like replacing soundfiles in a game with empty soundfiles just not to here them^^ | 15:45 |
| ruskie | I have 2 | 15:46 |
| ruskie | one was raw remove | 15:46 |
| Minze | hmm your remove-list is kinda long :) | 15:46 |
| ruskie | yeah | 15:46 |
| Minze | are you running your device in cli-only mode :P | 15:47 |
| ruskie | nope | 15:47 |
| ruskie | but I do a lot of stuff in cli | 15:47 |
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| Minze | guess i will pickup the things i want to get ride off from your list :) | 15:50 |
| Minze | the ovi-widget will be the first to jump off the system | 15:51 |
| Minze | dont need all that crappy facebook twitter in your ass crap | 15:52 |
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| Minze | but thanks anyway for linking me into the right direction ;) | 15:52 |
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| Minze | ruskie: this ezitext-"x" stuff, are those the language files? | 15:53 |
| ruskie | that's the predictive text input iirc | 15:54 |
| ruskie | the language files sadly are usually to intertwined with the core stuff | 15:54 |
| ruskie | so that requires the replace with empty packages process | 15:54 |
| Minze | yep otherwise i would remove all that arent necessary. | 15:55 |
| Minze | empty-space matters :P | 15:55 |
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| ruskie | Minze, I also have the script to generate the stuff | 16:01 |
| ruskie | it should work but I haven't worked with it for a while | 16:01 |
| ruskie | if you want | 16:01 |
| Minze | of course if it doesnt take to much work for you? | 16:02 |
| ruskie | it generates a repo full of debs | 16:02 |
| ruskie | on the device | 16:02 |
| ruskie | then you can install whatever you want from those debs | 16:02 |
| Minze | to remove the unneeded stuff you mean | 16:02 |
| ruskie | yup | 16:02 |
| ruskie | Minze, http://sprunge.us/VOKL copy that to genbreakrepo | 16:03 |
| ruskie | chmod +x it | 16:04 |
| Minze | thanks :) | 16:05 |
| Minze | btw. are the following presumptions right? | 16:05 |
| Minze | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PR2Sx6UA | 16:05 |
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| ruskie | Minze, other than ezitext yeah | 16:08 |
| ruskie | no clue about ezitext | 16:08 |
| ruskie | Minze, alse -essential-plugins kinda needs to be there I would guess | 16:08 |
| ruskie | if you still want to use predictie input | 16:08 |
| ruskie | Minze, you will need bash for that script of mine btw | 16:08 |
| Minze | yea thought so^^ | 16:08 |
| ruskie | atleast v3 if not further up | 16:08 |
| Minze | bash4 is installed ;) | 16:08 |
| ruskie | ok | 16:08 |
| ruskie | the rest I think you should have on the system already | 16:09 |
| ruskie | hmm needs gnu sed as sed | 16:09 |
| ruskie | the rest should work | 16:10 |
| Minze | hmm strange but i have no clue what skyhost | 16:10 |
| Minze | and ezitext is as you stated the predictive test stuff :) | 16:10 |
| ruskie | basically to run it you do ./genbreakrepo gen_break that will generate all the dummy packages based of the core package | 16:13 |
| ruskie | if you want a backup of a specific package though you can make: ./genbreakrepo gen_backup package_name | 16:14 |
| ruskie | and it will produce a package based of of the installed stuff | 16:14 |
| ruskie | as for skyhost probably something to do with skype | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | skyhost? skyhost is the host for skynet ;) | 16:16 |
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| Minze | merlin1991: it was my first thought ;) | 16:18 |
| Minze | another one, is there yet a solution for offline navigation on the n900 | 16:21 |
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| Minze | i know it has the possibility of assisted gps, but withouth that it should be possible too although slower. | 16:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Offline works for me | 16:22 |
| ruskie | there is some app that supports having maps offline and such | 16:22 |
| HyperSnyper | has anyone done/looked at doing an on phone answerphone ? | 16:23 |
| HyperSnyper | e.g phone answers after x amount of rings plays recording then records locally | 16:23 |
| HyperSnyper | my providers answerphones costs to ring.. | 16:23 |
| Minze | HyperSnyper: i was looking for smth. like that too :) | 16:23 |
| Minze | a mixture of callblocker and automatic answering like for calls from hidden id's | 16:24 |
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| HyperSnyper | also the ability to listen live to answerphone and interupt would be nice | 16:24 |
| ruskie | hmm would be nice though considering how many calls I get it would be idle 99.99999% of the time | 16:24 |
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| Minze | i get pissed of by unknown callers... | 16:25 |
| Minze | so i could piss them off a bit myself :) | 16:25 |
| HyperSnyper | i used to have a redirect to premium rate lines on my old nokia | 16:25 |
| Minze | callblocker is working though ;) | 16:25 |
| HyperSnyper | when i used ot get prank calls | 16:26 |
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| ruskie | HyperSnyper, wouldn't you be paying for those? | 16:26 |
| Minze | hmm strange though, here when you redirect someone, you are the one paying for the line | 16:26 |
| ruskie | yeah | 16:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer reads http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project and idly ponders to place a file "MLO" on MyDocs/, to tease ROMBOOT | 16:26 | |
| ruskie | I think in the US the reciever pays the termination fee | 16:26 |
| HyperSnyper | can't remember how it was setup but i never had credit then | 16:27 |
| HyperSnyper | and it used to stop the prank calls | 16:27 |
| HyperSnyper | this was when i was school | 16:27 |
| HyperSnyper | on a very old nokia bannan phone | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: jacekowski^^^ | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Hi, gentlemen | 16:28 |
| RST38h | (and whatever ladies happen to come here) | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you could recover from that with cold"flashing" rescue-initrd | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Doc: Anything new and exciting? Other than initial pointers to the fact that Lumia DID NOT sell? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, RST38h - we actually got 2 or 3, much appreciated | 16:29 |
| ruskie | heh | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Doc: That is not "sell", that is "give away" | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: place a file of random garbage named MyDocs/MLO on your device :-D | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Doc: Aaaaand? | 16:30 |
| * RST38h gets excited | 16:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | if this isn't exciting enough, make content of that file a valid xloader, with header and all | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Doc: We are talking about N950? | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | code of xloade may be just an endless loop, to render your device unbootable | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, about N900 for now | 16:31 |
| RST38h | Ah, I see | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | though should be same for 950/9 | 16:31 |
| * RST38h reads the wiki, decides not to experiment | 16:32 | |
| Minze | you know what for lumia stands eight? :P | 16:32 |
| RST38h | But I can aska Nokian about it. | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no security policy on N900 nor on HARM stopping you from doing that | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Minze: They hoped they could recreated N800 success by calling it 800 =) | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Doc: I sincerely hope Maemo guys disabled this | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Doc: Should we query Stskeeps? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 16:33 |
| Minze | a guy from the maemo forums had a blog about nokia an stuff, kinda funny :) | 16:33 |
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| Minze | was an ex-nokia employee iirc. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Once the partition is found, the root directory is scanned for a special signed file called "MLO" | 16:33 |
| RST38h | *SIGNED* file, Doc | 16:33 |
| Minze | posted a picture of the spanish meaning of lumia ergo "prostitute" | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Is your garbage signed? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | checkout SYS_BOOT! | 16:34 |
| RST38h | yeah, but still wants signed MLO | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not that sure they would refuse loading a non-signed xloader | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe BOOTROM just switches to openmode | 16:35 |
| RST38h | Catching Stskeeps looks like a good idea to me | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/xloader/MLO/ | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | to make sure we could nuke our devices? | 16:36 |
| RST38h | He knows unhealthy amounts of info about bootup process | 16:36 |
| dm8tbr | what you want to know you can find in the TRM | 16:36 |
| RST38h | Doc: Not sure how to nuke your device? Do it with microwave. | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway he could recover easily, by booting from serial | 16:36 |
| RST38h | (and yes, it is ok to /topic that =)) | 16:36 |
| RST38h | the page also mentions USB boot | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | err rrright | 16:37 |
| dm8tbr | I thought the device is set up so that you can cold-flash (boot over USB) | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already mentioned cold'flashing' rescue-initrd | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then nuke MLO | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | a funny attack anyway | 16:38 |
| Minze | http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/microsoft-nokia-babies-hate-at-a-distance-love-up-close/ | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and just maybe even an attack vector for secure mode | 16:38 |
| Minze | or here ^^ | 16:38 |
| Minze | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20125899-71/nokias-lumia-means-um-prostitute-in-spanish/ | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Minze: guess why we call it hooker800 | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | no news | 16:39 |
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| Minze | somehow funny, as nokia is droping maemo/meego for wp cause they are getting payed well by microsoft^^ | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, indeed | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | they couldn't find a better name | 16:40 |
| Minze | yep really, whoever choosen that modelname, was kinda creative :) | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia never was short of creativity with their names | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | fiasco | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nolo | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't get me started on chip names | 16:42 |
| Minze | not sure what nolo could meant :D | 16:43 |
| ruskie | nokia loader | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | omething like turd in Norwegian, or sth | 16:43 |
| Minze | :D | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the official meaning of fiasco must have been defined while all the managers been in Italy | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | as everywhere elso on this earth it just means ... FIASCO!!! | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and indeed it sometimes is | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not that naming of openmoko was any wiser - mentioning your company name makes every spanish person want to hand you a handkerchief | 16:48 |
| Minze | theres an hw-update on its way btw :) | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | our bootloader wasn't NOLO but "dirtyMOKO" | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 16:49 |
| Minze | but imo way to expensive :/ | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Minze: gta04? yes I know, I'm helping to build it | 16:50 |
| Minze | yep | 16:50 |
| * ruskie wonders if there will ever be a model of gta with a physical keyboard | 16:50 | |
| Minze | although i really things its kinda expensive 799€ | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes it'S way too expensive, though still not earns any money for those who sell it | 16:50 |
| Minze | :S | 16:50 |
| Minze | think* | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S what you get when building 150 devices | 16:51 |
| Minze | is that really the production-number? | 16:51 |
| Minze | just 150 devices? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mere production costs, not including R&D | 16:51 |
| * ruskie needs to get a CuBox with a touchscreen 7" lcd hdmi as his bedside computer/alarm clock/etc... | 16:52 | |
| Minze | ruskie: hell it even beats the n900 in size-comparence | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Minze: yes, unless we don't get to the threshold of the group order, we probably won't see more than those 150 devices built | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically one guy paying all this from his pocket | 16:53 |
| ruskie | Minze, heh | 16:53 |
| Minze | no foundation behind it? | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 16:53 |
| BluesLee | that is really expensive | 16:53 |
| Minze | its sad :( | 16:54 |
| Minze | really like the freerunner, although it got replaced by the n900 :) | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can fund it by ordering at group order which is substantially cheaper than now IIRC | 16:54 |
| BluesLee | only for the hard core | 16:54 |
| BluesLee | minze: me too | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the group order thinhie needs at least 350 orders to start, each order above that will make it cheaper for everybody | 16:55 |
| Minze | how does much does that cubox cost, and why is there a hdmi output, would it really be able to display lets say 720p content as mkv for exmaple ruskie | 16:55 |
| ruskie | Minze, it's 99eur+shipping | 16:56 |
| BluesLee | minze: and now I replaced the n900 by a n9 | 16:56 |
| ruskie | I believe it can do 1080p hdmi | 16:56 |
| Minze | nah wouldnt do that :) | 16:56 |
| ruskie | it has a dedicated decoding chip | 16:56 |
| Minze | k, fine thing :) | 16:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts watching fleabay for his 3rd and 4th N900, just for spare stock | 16:56 | |
| Minze | might should think about getting myself one, if there are resellers in germany | 16:57 |
| ruskie | the cubox is direct sell | 16:57 |
| ruskie | they'll send it directly | 16:57 |
| ruskie | costs 30 eur for shipping to slovenia | 16:57 |
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| Minze | could sell my second n900 :) | 16:59 |
| ruskie | I still have just the first | 16:59 |
| ruskie | in just went out of warranty 4th of december | 16:59 |
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| Minze | its a funny story. | 16:59 |
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| Minze | my first one had a defect, so that i returned it to amazon for a new one | 17:00 |
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| Minze | strange that they send me both back xD | 17:00 |
| ruskie | heh | 17:00 |
| ruskie | nice | 17:00 |
| Minze | guess it was an error, but well i dont mind :D | 17:00 |
| Minze | and the first one seemed had a broken usb-connector that i fixed :) | 17:01 |
| Minze | so i could simply put one in ebay :) | 17:01 |
| Minze | ive seen guys paying up to 340€ for an used n900 some days before christmas | 17:02 |
| Minze | but didnt jump on that "sell n900 for a lot of money on ebay"- train | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Minze: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Group Tour | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 17:03 |
| Minze | who knows, if one of them get broken in some time | 17:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer hates URLs with whitespace | 17:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | <http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Group Tour> | 17:04 |
| Minze | its the devils board :) | 17:04 |
| Minze | for 666,66€ | 17:04 |
| Minze | strange price though :) | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? >>regular: 499€<< | 17:06 |
| Minze | hmm gotta take another look | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | <http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Group Tour> | 17:06 |
| Minze | ahh actually they are still seeling them for 449 :D | 17:07 |
| Minze | thats cool :) | 17:07 |
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| Minze | but still, its outdated before it even got into production :( | 17:08 |
| Minze | and yea, newer hardware would even higher the price-tags i know -.- | 17:08 |
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| Minze | a real doom-loop | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can't even get "newer hardware" - we're not Nokia or Samsung | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chip manufs like TI won't even pick up the phone when we call them | 17:11 |
| Minze | almost impossible to get an up-to-date device that is fully open(sourced) without paying thousands of dollars in small number production | 17:11 |
| Minze | or even worser as you stated :/ | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | pay millions, no matter what's the production volume, and you get newest hw | 17:12 |
| Minze | yea, shitty world we're living in :/ | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I prefer open mature hw to bleeding edge with closed source shitty OS on top | 17:13 |
| Minze | yea, the freerunner isnt bad really, although a hw-keyboards would be nice. | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 17:13 |
| Minze | on the other hand that wouldnt be upgradable for freerunner-users | 17:14 |
| Minze | :/ | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | GTA04 schematics already have kbd option :-D | 17:14 |
| Minze | narf. | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems Nikolaus plans for hw-kbd with a BETTER CASE and nice display, for GTA05 TBD in 2012 | 17:15 |
| Minze | i believe it, its just dont fit into the regular case. | 17:15 |
| Minze | question is what price-tag are we talking about for gta05 :) | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | the case is a PITA anyway | 17:15 |
| Minze | the case is the easy part, maybe even the cheapest :) | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at pricetag of e.g. TI OMAP zoom-II, then say "thanks goldelico for the really nice price!" :-D | 17:16 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, hmm that sounds interesting(gta05) | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Minze: HAHA, moulds: 200k-bucks | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | once you got moulds, the plastic crap actually is cheap per unit | 17:18 |
| Minze | hmm dont know were to spent 200k bucks for. | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you see, for 25k units we could build *very* nice cases at ~10bucks per case | 17:19 |
| Minze | i used build cnc stuff myself :) | 17:19 |
| Minze | would guess r/d a case is the most expensive. | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a million devices (I guess that'S what N900 was) the case is ~50ct | 17:19 |
| Minze | production isnt. | 17:20 |
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| Minze | btw. | 17:20 |
| Minze | the "TI OMAP zoom-II" looks kinda cool :) | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the molds which have to be done by hand from massive blocks of steel, to extreme precision, and are very complex | 17:20 |
| Minze | as an slider, it would be awesome^^ | 17:20 |
| shanttu | care to help with weird depence-issues? libeet1 depends on libeina1. when upgrading, it says it's already on latest. | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Minze: (zoom-II) until you find ourt about the pricetag | 17:21 |
| Minze | which is? | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~2k | 17:21 |
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| Minze | which currency :P | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | USD? | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | EURO? | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 17:21 |
| Minze | nah just kidding, wouldnt make a too big difference though^ | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, that's why I dunno | 17:22 |
| Minze | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/zoom-ti-001.jpg | 17:23 |
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| Minze | docking-station included :) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actally pondered to get zoom-II before N900 got available, but then I found out the normal size SD card protrudes from case when plugged | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | an absolute nogo | 17:24 |
| Minze | build yourself a new updated case! | 17:24 |
| Minze | :) | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | also they prematurely canceled the variant with GSM/3G-modem, due to RoHS issues | 17:24 |
| Minze | lol us-marked only then :/ | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | which made me laugh rather satanically | 17:25 |
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| Minze | guess even nitdroid would be more usable that that device in europe :) | 17:25 |
| Minze | than* | 17:25 |
| Minze | but atleast their keyboard is 4lined | 17:26 |
| Minze | not an must-have. but a nice-to-have | 17:27 |
| Minze | a* | 17:27 |
| Minze | well i got to go, have a nice day! :) | 17:30 |
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| TimmyT | where is kernel power 46? ive added extras-devel repository but cant find kernel power 46. what's the name of that? | 19:31 |
| merlin1991 | TimmyT: package name should be kernel-power | 19:32 |
| merlin1991 | apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo46 | 19:34 |
| TimmyT | is it possible to use "uboot for kernel-power 46" for kernel power 42? | 19:34 |
| merlin1991 | ^^ should install anf flash kernel power 46 | 19:35 |
| Raimu | That conversation about manufacturers not picking up the phone reminds me of the Cordia Tab: http://cordiatab.com/ | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | TimmyT: no, since uboot works otherwise | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | uboot practically is a kernel that has a bootloader + a fallback kernel attached | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | and the fallbackkernel is what you boot when you type "run noloboot" | 19:36 |
| TimmyT | well, is not it because i have installed kernel 42 before? | 19:37 |
| merlin1991 | what do you mean? | 19:37 |
| TimmyT | nothin,sry | 19:38 |
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| jack_lt | Sicelo, seems to work now, thx. only you need Internet connection for the search function in ovi maps apparently | 20:38 |
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| Sicelo | kewl | 20:45 |
| Sicelo | thank Blaizzen | 20:45 |
| jack_lt | is there a dutch language for ovi maps? | 20:46 |
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| Sicelo | i dunno. shouldn't that go with locale/region? | 20:47 |
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| jack_lt | for english_us we downloaded a special zip file right? | 20:48 |
| Sicelo | oh, u mean voices. i'm sure there is a dutch voice. looks in that link one more. or get them from a symbian phone somewhere | 20:49 |
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| Sicelo | hmmm, i wasn't aware HAM seems to autoremove packages it think are 'useless'. espeak is gone, and i know for sure i installed it a week ago, and didn't remove it thereafter. | 20:53 |
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| zozeta2 | hiii | 23:55 |
| zozeta2 | some one tell me how to get scratchbox or apt-build on my n900 | 23:57 |
| merlin1991 | zozeta2: there is no such a thing as apt-build | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | scratchbox is for cross compiling on your pc | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | you do can get gcc make and friends on the n900 if you add the sdk repo | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | but it's risky since it eats up your rootfs space way too fast | 23:59 |
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