IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-12-26

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Minzehi there, just installed fiasco 1.3.0 and the cssu testing03:57
Minzeit works fine so far :)03:57
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Minzebut why is it so that i can only find power-kernel v42 in the package manager03:58
Minzedo i need to add some repos?03:58
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Minzegot help here, whats the difference between the standard-kernel power, and the bfs kernel power05:01
Minzeis there one that should be more recommendable05:01
DocScrutinizerbfs is using a new multitasking scheduler, it's not verified that it is any better than the "classical" one05:04
DocScrutinizerdue to some problems in repository the newer powerkernel pkgs don't show up in appmanager05:05
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Minzek, ive just installed  pr1.3 vanilla and then the cssu testing and everything is working fine, in the normal repositories i just get powerkernel v42 which is inacceptable, so i added extras-testing and extras-devel to the repos, and look there powerkernel v49 and some kernel i didnt know anything about till now (ergo bfs kernel)05:07
Minzeand now theres the question which to take05:07
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DocScrutinizerthough you maybe also are missing the extras-devel catalog which has newer version than extras(-testing)05:09
DocScrutinizeraah, you added it05:09
Minzeive added the extras-devel05:09
Minzev49 is the newest there regarding the normal power-kernel05:09
DocScrutinizerthis seems correct05:10
Minzei want to use cleven with it, so there might be some i should prefer :)?05:10
DocScrutinizer shows 47 as newest though, so there's some problem anyway. But 49 is freshest you might find05:11
Minzeand the macchanger didnt work here with the v42 what kinda pissed me off05:11
DocScrutinizersorry, no experience or idea about cleven05:11
Minzeive thought i heard that there is some problem with p-kernel v49, not sure if it is the same case with the bfs-kernel05:12
luke-jrI use 49 with fcam patched in05:17
luke-jrbuilt with GCC 4.505:17
luke-jrand hardfp05:17
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Minzedo i have to patch v49? luke-jr?05:19
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Minzei mean for normal use, not for specific use with fcam05:21
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  thanks for Your very informative messages06:42
Estel_I'll look into it, trying to learn while doing so :)06:42
Estel_good night!06:42
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BluesLeegood morning10:50
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DocScrutinizermorning to you too11:28
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merlin1991I remember there was some page on the wiki on integrating scratchbox with qt-creator11:59
merlin1991but I can't find it anymore11:59
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jack_lthi, tried this, but how to test it?
jack_ltwget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/hello ; wget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/:g5ann_001 , should these commands make sound?12:17
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jack_ltit's about the voice guided ovi maps12:18
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Siceloi use the OM voice server method. works flawlessly12:52
jack_lthmm easy to setup?12:53
jack_ltSicelo, when should you here sound? how can you test it?12:55
Siceloyes. u just replace the index.html, install omvoiceserver, espeak, and download voice files from nokia in your language12:56
Siceloom voice server has testing support12:56
jack_ltwhere do you put the voice files?12:57
jack_ltand where to download them?12:58
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Sicelothe voice files are in the link u gave up there. u can put them anywhere. omvoiceserver  will then ask u for the location.  i put them in MyDocs/cities/Voices/13:00
Siceloread the first post of
Sicelouse the first 3 links, and u should be all set13:02
Sicelowell, 4 links, if u count the wiki :P13:02
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DocScrutinizeran extremely nifty obscure method to trigger sound output, wget form localhost:9999 to /dev/null13:04
DocScrutinizerrolls up my toe nails ;-P13:04
DocScrutinizerwell, there's obviously nothing that can NOT be done, under linux XD13:05
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DocScrutinizerbut then maybe there's simply no other way to embed sound into a locally hosted website like maps(?), when you can't embed more straight forward approaches like JS, or even java13:07
DocScrutinizerI just wonder if the server running to listen to localhost:9999 and then trigger audio playback, if this server is at least built as a script, nicely with socat and aplay/play-sound and shellscripting :-)13:08
DocScrutinizerprobably for that even netcat is sufficiently versatile to handle the http part13:11
DocScrutinizerso no need for socat complexity13:11
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userwould it be a good idea to install nitdroid to the internal memory?13:20
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useror are there any side-effects?13:21
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jack_ltSicelo, hmm when I use omvoiceserver for searching it doesn't find anything anymore13:22
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merlin1991user: for example your internal memory will be smaller for what meamo can use ;)13:30
Sicelois the server running? jack_lt13:30
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jack_ltSicelo, how to check or start13:31
Siceloit is in your application menu. OM Voiceserver13:31
Siceloand u must have downloaded the correct index.html13:32
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jack_ltok, will check later, thx13:34
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useris there a mod/addon whatever, to mark multiple packages and then install it on a row in the package-manager?13:48
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Sicelonone. apt-get ftw13:50
useri know that it could be possible over apt13:50
userbut the ui would make things a lot easier as you have a overview of the stuff installed13:51
userit makes me wonder that nobody since yet didnt create an addon or such :)13:52
NIN101FAM. but to quote merlin1991: "it comes from deeper layers of hell". :-)13:52
Siceloothers use fapman, synaptic, etc. i never tried them13:52
Siceloit's FAM .. iirc fapman is the pkg name13:56
userhow large is synaptic as the rootfs space is getting filled kinda fast :S13:56
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useralready thought of the 8gb image, but that isnt official stuff :+13:57
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Sicelo8gb rootfs?13:58
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jack_ltSicelo, it says 'server closed' for the rest the test commands works fine14:05
jack_ltSicelo, but not the search function in ovi maps14:05
Siceloserver closed? weird14:06
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Sicelotry launching it from terminal to see where problem is14:06
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jack_lthow do I launch it from terminal14:08
jack_lthmm anyway, need to go now14:08
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MinzeSicelo: i guess so14:19
Minze8gb for apps and 22 for MyDocs14:21
Sicelowhat Minze? the rootfs?14:21
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Siceloi doubt that's rootfs. i think that's 8gb /home14:21
Minzeidk, didnt check it14:22
Sicelothat's the same thing i want to do whenever i get around to flashing my device14:22
merlin1991that's a 8gb /home since rootfs size is fixed by hw14:23
Minzecould you explain where the difference lies between /home and MyDocs14:23
merlin1991home is a ext2 I think partition14:23
merlin1991whilst MyDocs is vfat in order to be able to export it via usb to windows machines14:23
Minzehmm couldnt it get wiped to a big ext4 partition if i only use linux-based oses like arch :#14:24
Siceloif maemo was windows, Minze, /home would be (for example) drive C, then /home/user/MyDocs would be D: etc14:25
Minzei mean i guess there is the 4gig limitation of fat due to this?14:25
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Siceloyes Minze. there is that limitation, yes14:25
MinzeSicelo: yep so its more or less a compatibility layer for windows to access the files14:26
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Minzeas win cant access ext-fs till now14:27
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* SpeedEvil remembers using windows e2fs drivers in ~199514:29
Minzewell lets say not out off the box14:30
SpeedEvilProlly fair enough, yeah.14:31
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Minzealthough the n900 is a device targeting users which should be aware to mess around a bit with os's and stuff14:33
Minzeother than for compatibility reasons an seperate vfat partition wouldnt make sense imo14:35
infobotrumour has it, jrtools is
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DocScrutinizerfor patching fiasco img for larger /home14:38
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Sicelotrue. although i think nokia also wanted a few non-geeks to use it. who would never even open xterm. i personally know 2 other people here with N900. both have zero clue what linux is. both have never used their xterm14:38
Sicelo\o/ DocScrutinizer14:38
Paliping X-Fade14:38
Pali~seen X-Fade14:39
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NIN101after all nobody forces you to keep it vfat, so no problem there.14:39
DocScrutinizerPali: X-Fade never is around on weekends and holidays14:39
PaliDocScrutinizer, ok14:40
DocScrutinizerNIN101: there are some dependencies in fremantle to this partition and the fs-type it has14:40
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NIN101sure you have to mount it yourself or patch the scripts...14:40
DocScrutinizerso just changing partition size and keeping a whatever sized vfat MyDocs is the best thing to do14:41
DocScrutinizerthe hack on jrtools is tested to iirc 9.99GB /home size, for 2 digits sizes you need to take care about not inserting chars when editing fisco, so you need to <<1char the value, using one of the triling blanks14:43
DocScrutinizerMyDocs resizes accordingly auto-magically, by simply using what's left over14:44
DocScrutinizerI think anything down to as little as 1GB for MyDocs is sane14:45
DocScrutinizerof course you'll start cursing when you want to fill your device with mp3 or movie data and notice that you need to manually mount the /home via nfs or sshfs or anything to do that14:48
DocScrutinizerthen you'll notice that tracker doesn't index /home (AFAIK) and you can't even access your movies/music in /home, unless you patch tracker.cfg14:48
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Siceloif only tracker wouldn't index flash drives via h-e-n14:49
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NIN101"tracker - Your lovely I/O virus!"14:50
DocScrutinizerafter you patched tracker.cfg, you'll probably notice that it constantly restarts indexing with every new file you write to home, and this brings your whole device incl copying files to a grinding halt14:50
Minzesounds good so far :)14:51
DocScrutinizeryeah, doesn't it? ;-P14:51
Minzeand yea they might also targeted some non-linux aware users, but wouldnt there be way better alternatives than a n90014:52
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Minzei mean its fat bulky and doesnt come with a lot of appz14:53
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Minzei mean i could understand why people without a clue about linux would get themselfes a N9 as its stylish.14:54
Sicelowell, some were 'fooled' Minze. ominous looking device, 5Mpix camera, advertising videos..14:54
Siceloonly after they owned the device did they start regreting it. ebay came handy, lol14:55
Minzeyea i remember the n900 add14:55
Sicelohmm, thanks DocScrutinizer for mentioning tracker.cfg. i think i can see a way to avoid indexing external drives :)14:57
DocScrutinizeryes, seems there's a dedicated option for that14:58
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Minzejust a little question, how do i remove unneeded stuff from the main-men(will list what i mean in a second)15:36
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Minze"chess, rss, blocks,marbles, usermanual, ovi-store,15:37
Minzei didnt find em on the uninstall list15:37
psycho_oreos`uninstall' them? ;p15:37
Minzeyea, sure, right.15:38
psycho_oreoswell no, not through `app manager' but you can do it through apt-get for instance (note: may break your setup)15:38
psycho_oreosthere's stuff like apmefo for instance where you can create a `folder' and stash all those things you don't want in there instead :þ15:38
Minzehow to find out the correct name would be the thing to know15:38
psycho_oreoseven catoriseplus can do it (to some other extent)15:39
psycho_oreosit comes with a matter of understanding the lying foundations of the package management system behind it. In which this case its deb and dpkg is the management tool15:39
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Minzeso far, so right, problem is, that i guess that those apps i've just listed, are put together in a single package under another name.15:40
Minzeas its out of the box stuff :)15:40
psycho_oreosits part of osso-* something :þ15:41
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psycho_oreoshmm I think ruskie at one stage did an extensive hacking into freeing up the maemo `kludge' though I gotta warn you that its not for the faint of heart15:42
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Minzeruskie: is there a link, where a could read of your work :P15:43
ruskieyeah User:Ruskie15:44
ruskieyou should find my remove list15:44
ruskiebut there was another way to do it15:44
ruskieby generating empty packages to replace the actual ones15:44
ruskieshould still have that somewhere as well15:44
Minzebut isnt your method the nice one?15:45
Minzei mean its like replacing soundfiles in a game with empty soundfiles just not to here them^^15:45
ruskieI have 215:46
ruskieone was raw remove15:46
Minzehmm your remove-list is kinda long :)15:46
Minzeare you running your device in cli-only mode :P15:47
ruskiebut I do a lot of stuff in cli15:47
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Minzeguess i will pickup the things i want to get ride off from your list :)15:50
Minzethe ovi-widget will be the first to jump off the system15:51
Minzedont need all that crappy facebook twitter in your ass crap15:52
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Minzebut thanks anyway for linking me into the right direction ;)15:52
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Minzeruskie: this ezitext-"x" stuff, are those the language files?15:53
ruskiethat's the predictive text input iirc15:54
ruskiethe language files sadly are usually to intertwined with the core stuff15:54
ruskieso that requires the replace with empty packages process15:54
Minzeyep otherwise i would remove all that arent necessary.15:55
Minzeempty-space matters :P15:55
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ruskieMinze, I also have the script to generate the stuff16:01
ruskieit should work but I haven't worked with it for a while16:01
ruskieif you want16:01
Minzeof course if it doesnt take to much work for you?16:02
ruskieit generates a repo full of debs16:02
ruskieon the device16:02
ruskiethen you can install whatever you want from those debs16:02
Minzeto remove the unneeded stuff you mean16:02
ruskieMinze, copy that to genbreakrepo16:03
ruskiechmod +x it16:04
Minzethanks :)16:05
Minzebtw. are the following presumptions right?16:05
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ruskieMinze, other than ezitext yeah16:08
ruskieno clue about ezitext16:08
ruskieMinze, alse -essential-plugins kinda needs to be there I would guess16:08
ruskieif you still want to use predictie input16:08
ruskieMinze, you will need bash for that script of mine btw16:08
Minzeyea thought so^^16:08
ruskieatleast v3 if not further up16:08
Minzebash4 is installed ;)16:08
ruskiethe rest I think you should have on the system already16:09
ruskiehmm needs gnu sed as sed16:09
ruskiethe rest should work16:10
Minzehmm strange but i have no clue what skyhost16:10
Minzeand ezitext is as you stated the predictive test stuff :)16:10
ruskiebasically to run it you do ./genbreakrepo gen_break that will generate all the dummy packages based of the core package16:13
ruskieif you want a backup of a specific package though you can make: ./genbreakrepo gen_backup package_name16:14
ruskieand it will produce a package based of of the installed stuff16:14
ruskieas for skyhost probably something to do with skype16:14
merlin1991skyhost? skyhost is the host for skynet ;)16:16
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Minzemerlin1991: it was  my first thought ;)16:18
Minzeanother one, is there yet a solution for offline navigation on the n90016:21
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Minzei know it has the possibility of assisted gps, but withouth that it should be possible too although slower.16:21
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SpeedEvilOffline works for me16:22
ruskiethere is some app that supports having maps offline and such16:22
HyperSnyperhas anyone done/looked at doing an on phone answerphone ?16:23
HyperSnypere.g phone answers after x amount of rings plays recording then records locally16:23
HyperSnypermy providers answerphones costs to ring..16:23
MinzeHyperSnyper: i was looking for smth. like that too :)16:23
Minzea mixture of callblocker and automatic answering like for calls from hidden id's16:24
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HyperSnyperalso the ability to listen live to answerphone and interupt would be nice16:24
ruskiehmm would be nice though considering how many calls I get it would be idle 99.99999% of the time16:24
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Minzei get pissed of by unknown callers...16:25
Minzeso i could piss them off a bit myself :)16:25
HyperSnyperi used to have a redirect to premium rate lines on my old nokia16:25
Minzecallblocker is working though ;)16:25
HyperSnyperwhen i used ot get prank calls16:26
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ruskieHyperSnyper, wouldn't you be paying for those?16:26
Minzehmm strange though, here when you redirect someone, you are the one paying for the line16:26
* DocScrutinizer reads and idly ponders to place a file "MLO" on MyDocs/, to tease ROMBOOT16:26
ruskieI think in the US the reciever pays the termination fee16:26
HyperSnypercan't remember how it was setup but i never had credit then16:27
HyperSnyperand it used to stop the prank calls16:27
HyperSnyperthis was when i was school16:27
HyperSnyperon a very old nokia bannan phone16:27
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: jacekowski^^^16:27
RST38hHi, gentlemen16:28
RST38h(and whatever ladies happen to come here)16:28
DocScrutinizerprobably you could recover from that with cold"flashing" rescue-initrd16:28
RST38hDoc: Anything new and exciting? Other than initial pointers to the fact that Lumia DID NOT sell?16:29
DocScrutinizerooh, RST38h - we actually got 2 or 3, much appreciated16:29
RST38hDoc: That is not "sell", that is "give away"16:29
DocScrutinizerRST38h: place a file of random garbage named MyDocs/MLO on your device :-D16:30
RST38hDoc: Aaaaand?16:30
* RST38h gets excited16:30
DocScrutinizerif this isn't exciting enough, make content of that file a valid xloader, with header and all16:30
RST38hDoc: We are talking about N950?16:30
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DocScrutinizercode of xloade may be just an endless loop, to render your device unbootable16:31
DocScrutinizernope, about N900 for now16:31
RST38hAh, I see16:31
DocScrutinizerthough should be same for 950/916:31
* RST38h reads the wiki, decides not to experiment16:32
Minzeyou know what for lumia stands eight? :P16:32
RST38hBut I can aska Nokian about it.16:32
DocScrutinizerthere's no security policy on N900 nor on HARM stopping you from doing that16:32
RST38hMinze: They hoped they could recreated N800 success by calling it 800 =)16:32
RST38hDoc: I sincerely hope Maemo guys disabled this16:32
RST38hDoc: Should we query Stskeeps?16:33
Minzea guy from the maemo forums had a blog about nokia an stuff, kinda funny :)16:33
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Minzewas an ex-nokia employee iirc.16:33
RST38hOnce the partition is found, the root directory is scanned for a special signed file called "MLO"16:33
RST38h*SIGNED* file, Doc16:33
Minzeposted a picture of the spanish meaning of lumia ergo "prostitute"16:33
RST38hIs your garbage signed?16:33
DocScrutinizercheckout SYS_BOOT!16:34
RST38hyeah, but still wants signed MLO16:34
DocScrutinizerI'm not that sure they would refuse loading a non-signed xloader16:34
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DocScrutinizermaybe BOOTROM just switches to openmode16:35
RST38hCatching Stskeeps looks like a good idea to me16:35
DocScrutinizerwhat for?16:35
DocScrutinizerto make sure we could nuke our devices?16:36
RST38hHe knows unhealthy amounts of info about bootup process16:36
dm8tbrwhat you want to know you can find in the TRM16:36
RST38hDoc: Not sure how to nuke your device? Do it with microwave.16:36
DocScrutinizeranyway he could recover easily, by booting from serial16:36
RST38h(and yes, it is ok to /topic that =))16:36
RST38hthe page also mentions USB boot16:36
DocScrutinizererr rrright16:37
dm8tbrI thought the device is set up so that you can cold-flash (boot over USB)16:37
DocScrutinizerI already mentioned cold'flashing' rescue-initrd16:37
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DocScrutinizerthen nuke MLO16:37
DocScrutinizera funny attack anyway16:38
DocScrutinizerand just maybe even an attack vector for secure mode16:38
Minzeor here ^^16:38
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DocScrutinizerMinze: guess why we call it hooker80016:39
DocScrutinizerno news16:39
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Minzesomehow funny, as nokia is droping maemo/meego for wp cause they are getting payed well by microsoft^^16:40
DocScrutinizeryep, indeed16:40
DocScrutinizerthey couldn't find a better name16:40
Minzeyep really, whoever choosen that modelname, was kinda creative :)16:41
DocScrutinizerNokia never was short of creativity with their names16:41
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DocScrutinizerdon't get me started on chip names16:42
Minzenot sure what nolo could meant :D16:43
ruskienokia loader16:43
DocScrutinizeromething like turd in Norwegian, or sth16:43
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DocScrutinizerthe official meaning of fiasco must have been defined while all the managers been in Italy16:45
DocScrutinizeras everywhere elso on this earth it just means ... FIASCO!!!16:45
DocScrutinizerand indeed it sometimes is16:46
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DocScrutinizernot that naming of openmoko was any wiser - mentioning your company name makes every spanish person want to hand you a handkerchief16:48
Minzetheres an hw-update on its way btw :)16:49
DocScrutinizerour bootloader wasn't NOLO but "dirtyMOKO"16:49
Minzebut imo way to expensive :/16:49
DocScrutinizerMinze: gta04? yes I know, I'm helping to build it16:50
* ruskie wonders if there will ever be a model of gta with a physical keyboard16:50
Minzealthough i really things its kinda expensive 799€16:50
DocScrutinizerand yes it'S way too expensive, though still not earns any money for those who sell it16:50
DocScrutinizerthat'S what you get when building 150 devices16:51
Minzeis that really the production-number?16:51
Minzejust 150 devices?16:51
DocScrutinizermere production costs, not including R&D16:51
* ruskie needs to get a CuBox with a touchscreen 7" lcd hdmi as his bedside computer/alarm clock/etc...16:52
Minzeruskie: hell it even beats the n900 in size-comparence16:52
DocScrutinizerMinze: yes, unless we don't get to the threshold of the group order, we probably won't see more than those 150 devices built16:53
DocScrutinizerit's basically one guy paying all this from his pocket16:53
ruskieMinze, heh16:53
Minzeno foundation behind it?16:53
BluesLeethat is really expensive16:53
Minzeits sad :(16:54
Minzereally like the freerunner, although it got replaced by the n900 :)16:54
DocScrutinizeryou can fund it by ordering at group order which is substantially cheaper than now IIRC16:54
BluesLeeonly for the hard core16:54
BluesLeeminze: me too16:55
DocScrutinizerI think the group order thinhie needs at least 350 orders to start, each order above that will make it cheaper for everybody16:55
Minzehow does much does that cubox cost, and why is there a hdmi output, would it really be able to display lets say 720p content as mkv for exmaple ruskie16:55
ruskieMinze, it's 99eur+shipping16:56
BluesLeeminze: and now I replaced the n900 by a n916:56
ruskieI believe it can do 1080p hdmi16:56
Minzenah wouldnt do that :)16:56
ruskieit has a dedicated decoding chip16:56
Minzek, fine thing :)16:56
* DocScrutinizer starts watching fleabay for his 3rd and 4th N900, just for spare stock16:56
Minzemight should think about getting myself one, if there are resellers in germany16:57
ruskiethe cubox is direct sell16:57
ruskiethey'll send it directly16:57
ruskiecosts 30 eur for shipping to slovenia16:57
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Minzecould sell my second n900 :)16:59
ruskieI still have just the first16:59
ruskiein just went out of warranty 4th of december16:59
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Minzeits a funny story.16:59
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Minzemy first one had a defect, so that i returned it to amazon for a new one17:00
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Minzestrange that they send me both back xD17:00
Minzeguess it was an error, but well i dont mind :D17:00
Minzeand the first one seemed had a broken usb-connector that i fixed :)17:01
Minzeso i could simply put one in ebay :)17:01
Minzeive seen guys paying up to 340€ for an used n900 some days before christmas17:02
Minzebut didnt jump on that "sell n900 for a lot of money on ebay"- train17:02
DocScrutinizerMinze: Group Tour17:03
Minzewho knows, if one of them get broken in some time17:03
* DocScrutinizer hates URLs with whitespace17:04
DocScrutinizer< Group Tour>17:04
Minzeits the devils board :)17:04
Minzefor 666,66€17:04
Minzestrange price though :)17:06
DocScrutinizereh? >>regular: 499€<<17:06
Minzehmm gotta take another look17:06
DocScrutinizer< Group Tour>17:06
Minzeahh actually they are still seeling them for 449 :D17:07
Minzethats cool :)17:07
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Minzebut still, its outdated before it even got into production :(17:08
Minzeand yea, newer hardware would even higher the price-tags i know -.-17:08
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Minzea real doom-loop17:09
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DocScrutinizeryou can't even get "newer hardware" - we're not Nokia or Samsung17:10
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DocScrutinizerchip manufs like TI won't even pick up the phone when we call them17:11
Minzealmost impossible to get an up-to-date device that is fully open(sourced) without paying thousands of dollars in small number production17:11
Minzeor even worser as you stated :/17:11
DocScrutinizerpay millions, no matter what's the production volume, and you get newest hw17:12
Minzeyea, shitty world we're living in :/17:12
DocScrutinizeranyway I prefer open mature hw to bleeding edge with closed source shitty OS on top17:13
Minzeyea, the freerunner isnt bad really, although a hw-keyboards would be nice.17:13
Minzeon the other hand that wouldnt be upgradable for freerunner-users17:14
DocScrutinizerGTA04 schematics already have kbd option :-D17:14
DocScrutinizerseems Nikolaus plans for hw-kbd with a BETTER CASE and nice display, for GTA05 TBD in 201217:15
Minzei believe it, its just dont fit into the regular case.17:15
Minzequestion is what price-tag are we talking about for gta05 :)17:15
DocScrutinizerthe case is a PITA anyway17:15
Minzethe case is the easy part, maybe even the cheapest :)17:16
DocScrutinizerlook at pricetag of e.g. TI OMAP zoom-II, then say "thanks goldelico for the really nice price!" :-D17:16
ruskieDocScrutinizer, hmm that sounds interesting(gta05)17:17
DocScrutinizerMinze: HAHA, moulds: 200k-bucks17:17
DocScrutinizeronce you got moulds, the plastic crap actually is cheap per unit17:18
Minzehmm dont know were to spent 200k bucks for.17:19
DocScrutinizeryou see, for 25k units we could build *very* nice cases at ~10bucks per case17:19
Minzei used build cnc stuff myself :)17:19
Minzewould guess r/d a case is the most expensive.17:19
DocScrutinizerfor a million devices (I guess that'S what N900 was) the case is ~50ct17:19
Minzeproduction isnt.17:20
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Minzethe "TI OMAP zoom-II" looks kinda cool :)17:20
DocScrutinizerit's the molds which have to be done by hand from massive blocks of steel, to extreme precision, and are very complex17:20
Minzeas an slider, it would be awesome^^17:20
shanttucare to help with weird depence-issues? libeet1 depends on libeina1. when upgrading, it says it's already on latest.17:21
DocScrutinizerMinze: (zoom-II) until you find ourt about the pricetag17:21
Minzewhich is?17:21
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Minzewhich currency :P17:21
Minzenah just kidding, wouldnt make a too big difference though^17:22
DocScrutinizerexactly, that's why I dunno17:22
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Minzedocking-station included :)17:23
DocScrutinizerI actally pondered to get zoom-II before N900 got available, but then I found out the normal size SD card protrudes from case when plugged17:23
DocScrutinizeran absolute nogo17:24
Minzebuild yourself a new updated case!17:24
DocScrutinizeralso they prematurely canceled the variant with GSM/3G-modem, due to RoHS issues17:24
Minzelol us-marked only then :/17:25
DocScrutinizerwhich made me laugh rather satanically17:25
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Minzeguess even nitdroid would be more usable that that device in europe :)17:25
Minzebut atleast their keyboard is 4lined17:26
Minzenot an must-have. but a nice-to-have17:27
Minzewell i got to go, have a nice day! :)17:30
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TimmyTwhere is kernel power 46? ive added extras-devel repository but cant find kernel power 46. what's the name of that?19:31
merlin1991TimmyT: package name should be kernel-power19:32
merlin1991apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo4619:34
TimmyTis it possible to use "uboot for kernel-power 46" for kernel power 42?19:34
merlin1991^^ should install anf flash kernel power 4619:35
RaimuThat conversation about manufacturers not picking up the phone reminds me of the Cordia Tab:
merlin1991TimmyT: no, since uboot works otherwise19:35
merlin1991uboot practically is a kernel that has a bootloader + a fallback kernel attached19:36
merlin1991and the fallbackkernel is what you boot when you type "run noloboot"19:36
TimmyTwell, is not it because i have installed kernel 42 before?19:37
merlin1991what do you mean?19:37
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jack_ltSicelo, seems to work now, thx. only you need Internet connection for the search function in ovi maps apparently20:38
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Sicelothank Blaizzen20:45
jack_ltis there a dutch language for ovi maps?20:46
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Siceloi dunno. shouldn't that go with locale/region?20:47
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jack_ltfor english_us we downloaded a special zip file right?20:48
Sicelooh, u mean voices. i'm sure there is a dutch voice. looks in that link one more. or get them from a symbian phone somewhere20:49
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Sicelohmmm, i wasn't aware HAM seems to autoremove packages it think are 'useless'. espeak is gone, and i know for sure i installed it a week ago, and didn't remove it  thereafter.20:53
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zozeta2some one tell me how to get scratchbox or apt-build on my n90023:57
merlin1991zozeta2: there is no such a thing as apt-build23:58
merlin1991scratchbox is for cross compiling on your pc23:58
merlin1991you do can get gcc make and friends on the n900 if you add the sdk repo23:59
merlin1991but it's risky since it eats up your rootfs space way too fast23:59

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