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| jacks_n900 | how do I turn off sound quickly | 00:51 |
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| jacks_n900 | n900 | 00:51 |
| NIN102 | touch the clock, chose the profile. | 00:52 |
| jacks_n900 | eg when a website suddenly makes sound | 00:52 |
| jacks_n900 | noise | 00:52 |
| jacks_n900 | music | 00:53 |
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| jacks_n900 | or can you set to turn sound off by turning your phone up side down | 00:55 |
| jacks_n900 | ? | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, drive-by asker | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually stopping sound from webpages by "turning upside down" was interesting a thing to check. On my Samsung OMNIA I had to disable this function as it introduced dropouts into music playback from mp3 when phone was in my pocket while walking :-/ | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | flashblock | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the fastest way always is VOL- button | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | unless it zooms | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, on webpages yeah | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will prolly zoom rather than hush | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashblock would be nice if it acts immediately on already loaded/rendered webpages and was easily accessible | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could figure about a powerbutton menu entry to start some script that tears down audio all together | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | like in killall pulseaudio or sth ;-P | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | adblock-css makes flash require a tap before it starts | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually don't think turning-upside-down works for anything except ringtone | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: won't help when you learn by ears that this flash media starts nasty sound | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | auto-rotate pisses me off when I'm lying on the side in my bed trying to read stuff, and it's always 90 degrees off | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | auto rotate pisses me off all the time | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | i remember that my windows mobile PDA had dedicate button for that | 01:49 |
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| jacekowski | no auto rotation | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why I refused to upgrade CSSU until they promeised they will walk me thru all the gconf foo to stop it ever rotating except for dialer | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | microB still autorotates but I guess I have to live with that until I find out how to blacklist it or sth | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I lovingly and epically explained several times to everybody involved what'S the problem with autorotation, accelerometer&mce, and a way to block it and nail it to a certain orientation | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apps directly reading accelerometer do it wrong anyway | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce not providing a separate physical-orientation and logical-orientation info doesn't help either | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and every app inventing a new sheme to deal with all this makes things a complete mess | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically we'd need an orientationd that gets queried by the particular app and returns individual instructions regarding what orientation this app shall use, and we needed to patch all apps that use any other method | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | alternatively HD could change aspect ratio of X display according to what app is in foreground | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course according to the settings-for-this-app * accelerometer * global-override | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | the issue with making it overly complex is that then people reinvent new things :/ | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MCE's notion about orientation is pretty bad anyway, triggering a rotation when I hold the device with 15° tilted to the right from a flat screen-up | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the complexity has to be covered by an ultrasimple API for that orientationd | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus allows to find out about sender of a msg | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you (the app) send a dbus-msg_query_displayorientation to orientationd, and you get a simple answer of a degrees-value the display shall get rotated | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually sth like either 0, 90, 270, or even 180 | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on later orientation changes of the device or its global settings (read: override switch), orientationd will send unsolicited msgs to inform the app about the need to rotate | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is done via msgs, not signals | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so each app gets the msg it needs | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | since dbus also has a way to notice termination of clients, orientationd will always know when an app process has quit and doesn't need further unsolicited msgs | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not that an attempt to send a msg to a process that already vanished would go unnoticed by the sender, here orientationd | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | for existing apps not complying with the whole scheme, we might find a way to do something similar to what fsoraw resource allocation wrapper does for resources needed by apps | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even along the line of LD_PRELOAD | 02:15 |
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| badcloud | how to revert back to stock bootloader? | 02:20 |
| badcloud | I uninstalled uboot but still see the same ui on boot (penguin, countdown, etc) | 02:20 |
| badcloud | not that it matters THAT much | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | Before you mess with these kinds of things, have everything backed up so you can cope with the device becoming unbootable | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | Then I'd guess the way is to install the normal maemo kernel | 02:21 |
| badcloud | ShadowJK: oh, I did make a full backup | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | badcloud: since uBoot lives in same partition as kernel, it can't get uninstalled - much like you can't uninstall powerkernel. You need to flash another kernel to replace the uboot+<whatever_kernel> | 02:38 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 11:22 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 11:22 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 1h 17m 44s) #harmattan (2d 1h 17m 44s) #meego (2d 1h 17m 44s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 1d 19h 58m 2s, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. | 11:22 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: what's the partitioning tool you use on the n900? | 11:32 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali: still trying to reach X-Fade about kp? | 11:40 |
| Pali | merlin1991: yes | 11:40 |
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| maeanoq | hi there i wanted to install pr1.3 ergo the latest fiasco kernel using flasher-3.5 on an ubuntu x64 | 13:56 |
| maeanoq | as you might guess it didnt work due to the x64 bit architeecture | 13:57 |
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| merlin1991 | maeanoq: just dl the binary and run it | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | if you have ia32 libs it will work | 13:58 |
| maeanoq | thats the strange part. | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | as in? | 13:59 |
| maeanoq | so downloaded an archive which contained the following "doc man flasher-3.5" | 13:59 |
| maeanoq | and chmod +x flasher-3.5 | 14:00 |
| merlin1991 | chmod +x flasher-3.5 && ./flasher-3.5 does not work? | 14:00 |
| maeanoq | and just to test i run "sudo sh flasher-3.5" after cd'ing into the directory containing the stuff | 14:01 |
| maeanoq | command not found :( | 14:01 |
| merlin1991 | apt-cache policy ia32-libs? | 14:01 |
| maeanoq | they are installed, thats why its strange | 14:02 |
| merlin1991 | that's odd | 14:02 |
| maeanoq | yep | 14:02 |
| * merlin1991 tries on his install | 14:02 | |
| maeanoq | i almost tried the flasher 3.12@x64.deb until i noticed that it seems to just be for the N9 | 14:03 |
| merlin1991 | works just fine here | 14:05 |
| merlin1991 | dl the tar.gz | 14:05 |
| merlin1991 | extract chmod and run | 14:06 |
| merlin1991 | maeanoq: did you try 'sudo ./flasher-3.5' | 14:06 |
| maeanoq | just a simple question, when you download the tar.gz archive what is it containing? | 14:07 |
| merlin1991 | doc and man folder + the flasher-3.5 binary | 14:07 |
| maeanoq | what are the filenames | 14:07 |
| maeanoq | k also seems to be the same as here :s | 14:07 |
| merlin1991 | try to run sudo ./flasher-3.5 | 14:08 |
| maeanoq | i've just installed kubuntu 10.10 x86 on a spare hdd here and will check it in few minutes | 14:09 |
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| merlin1991 | :D | 14:09 |
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| maeanoq | btw. might there be a problem if i reflash the n900 with a previous fiasco image? | 14:11 |
| merlin1991 | previos as in 1.2 instead of 1.3 or 1.3 instad of 1.3.1? | 14:11 |
| maeanoq | the second | 14:11 |
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| merlin1991 | the second will work just fine | 14:11 |
| merlin1991 | the first does create problems | 14:11 |
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| maeanoq | it seems to have the official 1.3.1 here without cssu installed and wanted to flash 1.3 and afterwards cssu stable which should be almost the same. | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | will be exactly the same | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | 1.3.1 + cssu = 1.3 + cssu | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | the only difference you'll have is that you go from testing to stable | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | so you don't get updated modest and a few other not so stable things :D | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | though modest will come with next stable release which will be today or tomorrow | 14:14 |
| maeanoq | atleast my about product shows me "version :21.2011.38-1" | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | does anyone get the n900 images? on tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php? | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | after the product id and license disclaimer I end up on a 404 page | 14:15 |
| maeanoq | could check it in a sec. | 14:15 |
| maeanoq | but a few hours ago it worked here | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | doesn't seem to work atm :/ | 14:16 |
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| merlin1991 | hm works again | 14:17 |
| merlin1991 | WTF? | 14:17 |
| maeanoq | would you rather give me the advise to flash 1.3 and stick with it for a week until some new cssu comes out? | 14:19 |
| maeanoq | or is it upgradeable without going to the flashing procedure again | 14:20 |
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| merlin1991 | it's upgradeable without flashing | 14:24 |
| merlin1991 | it will present you with an maemo5 update just like when you upgrade from 1.2 to 1.3 over ota | 14:25 |
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| maeanoq | k, there is one strange thing though. | 14:28 |
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| maeanoq | when i check maemo.org there is the possibility to 1-click install cssu | 14:28 |
| maeanoq | "cssu stable" und "cssu" | 14:29 |
| maeanoq | cssu is unstable? | 14:29 |
| maeanoq | upps iam wrong | 14:30 |
| maeanoq | it was the changelog | 14:30 |
| maeanoq | there is only cssu stable and cssu | 14:31 |
| maeanoq | so i guess cssu stands for the unstable aka testing version? | 14:31 |
| merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ | 14:31 |
| merlin1991 | you have the stable and the testing button on the top of the page | 14:31 |
| merlin1991 | where did you find cssu without testing or stable? | 14:32 |
| maeanoq | yes got both buttons up there, i think it was in the changelog section | 14:36 |
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| maeanoq | btw. merry christmas to all :) | 14:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | Hi there. I'm trying to pair my n900 with this laptop over bluetooth and I've got it advertised on my laptop, but on the n900, going to Bluetooth devices and hitting 'new' it just keeps saying "Select a device" with a loading animation and nothing happens. I've been waiting for several minutes. | 15:45 |
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| Sicelo | n900 can be weird with BT at times. why don't u initiate pairing from the pc? | 15:47 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhh. nevermind I managed to pair it, had to specify the n900's MAC on the laptop before paiting. | 15:48 |
| Shapeshifter | *pairing. | 15:48 |
| Shapeshifter | yay tethering works. | 15:49 |
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| badcloud | anyone else have problems moving n900 sent mail to gmail imap "sent mail" folder? | 17:14 |
| badcloud | gives me "unable to move to current location" | 17:15 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, are u sure they're not already available on gmail's servers? | 17:51 |
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| BlackBear254163 | @ hey | 18:51 |
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| __20h__ | Is there some wiki page for which repositories to activate for full CSSU usage? | 19:00 |
| __20h__ | Good evening btw. | 19:00 |
| merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 19:03 |
| __20h__ | I still got an old feemantle-1.3 repository for extra in my N900. | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | depending if you use stable or testing cssu http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable and http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features have some hints on additional stuff you can enable | 19:03 |
| __20h__ | I'd like to know, if this should be changed to a plain »freemantle«. | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | what's the repo url? | 19:03 |
| __20h__ | #maemo-bugs - General discussion about bug management and triaging. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | #maemo-devel - General discussion about development on the Maemo platform. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | #maemo-gsoc - Support channel for the Google Summer of Code students working/willing to work with the Maemo Community. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | #maemo-meeting - Meetings channel. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | #maemo-ui - Maemo 5 UX Design discussion/consultancy/advices. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | #maemo-ssu - General discussion about the Fremantle Community SSU. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | Damn, sorry. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | #mer - General discussion about Mer. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | Wrong clipboard. | 19:04 |
| __20h__ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free | 19:05 |
| __20h__ | That's the line in the sources.list. | 19:05 |
| merlin1991 | that's not cssu that#s extras | 19:05 |
| merlin1991 | and it's fine how it is | 19:05 |
| __20h__ | Ah, thanks. | 19:05 |
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| __20h__ | Thanks for the CSSU anyway. It's really nice to have some development for the N900. | 19:09 |
| __20h__ | It's important to have an alternative to Android, Windows Mobile and iOS. | 19:10 |
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| arnet | I guess I need to ask here too | 19:14 |
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| HyperSnyper | merry xmas all | 19:14 |
| arnet | people here aware about maemo devices, so, I would like to discuss which is better, no get N9 or N900 | 19:14 |
| arnet | Actually I prefer N950 as it has keyboard | 19:14 |
| arnet | And I need to press ctrl + c sometimes in terminal | 19:14 |
| arnet | My purpose is non commercial development and tinkering with device for fun | 19:15 |
| arnet | So I think if I get N900 at least I can run mer/nemo on it | 19:15 |
| arnet | On the other hand I can develop for harmattan and test on device if I get N9 | 19:15 |
| arnet | But this N9 is too slim for me. I'd prefer possibility to change the battery and sd card slot | 19:15 |
| arnet | Also, as far as I know, I need to get a firmware with navistore, in order to reflash a device if I brick it. I bricked my n900 many times during experiments. I had known that I always can reflash it. Now its harder | 19:15 |
| arnet | Then, afaik there are no fcamera ports for harmattan, I use fcamera almost every day. | 19:15 |
| NIN101 | self-answered. N900. | 19:17 |
| arnet | :) | 19:18 |
| merlin1991 | for examply my n9 currently is in repair | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | all that's faulty is the fsckd battery | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | so yea n900 | 19:19 |
| arnet | hm | 19:20 |
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| jacekowski | merlin1991: have fun with your new N8 | 20:22 |
| merlin1991 | jacekowski: it's an n9 that went into repair not n900 | 20:22 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 20:22 |
| merlin1991 | on the n900 I would have got a new battery | 20:22 |
| Estel_ | Hi there. Question for coders - I am right, that simple daemon running short script every minute, would posses virtually no threat to resources/battery power? | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | but noooo n9 has to has it built in such a way that only l3 support can swap it | 20:23 |
| Estel_ | And, have nice christmass | 20:23 |
| Estel_ | hehe, merlin1991, joy of battery soldered internally | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: rather joy of the unibody | 20:24 |
| merlin1991 | I bet the battery is still not soldered | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | IDK what they were thinking, when they designed N9. battery - fail. No microSD slot - fail. Capacitive screen - fail while precision of input is needed (forget about MyPaint) | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | well it saves space and weight | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, true, but I'll trade so neglible space/weight saving, for easy moddable/replaceable elements, every day | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | microsd tbh. since phones have 16G+ of internal flash there is no such need for them as it used to | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: it's quite a lot of space that is saved that was | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: 2 layers of plastic | 20:26 |
| Estel_ | I'm using microSD as non-I/O conflicting swap | 20:26 |
| Estel_ | I know, N9 got much RAM, yet still... | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | capacitive screen - that's what most of users want | 20:26 |
| Estel_ | agreed. Yet, I don't care what 'most' of users want | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | but nokia cares | 20:27 |
| Estel_ | If I would do, I would sit on ipod irc now | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | they make stuff that will sell | 20:27 |
| Estel_ | that wont sell ;) | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | not stuff that maybe 5 users want | 20:27 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 20:27 |
| Raimu | Or doesn't | 20:27 |
| luke-jr | how can the battery not be removable? | 20:27 |
| Estel_ | users caring about such things will buy apple anyway | 20:27 |
| Raimu | ...yeah :) | 20:27 |
| luke-jr | I have to remove the battery just to reboot after lockups | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | well, resistive screen wouldn't sell even more | 20:27 |
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| arnet | I guess thats(battery and sd absence) done to save space | 20:28 |
| Estel_ | I think that doing semi-apple clone wont sell also | 20:28 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: N900 was already too small | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | n900 is brick sized | 20:28 |
| arnet | but they still could release developer device publicly. | 20:28 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: not remotely. | 20:29 |
| Estel_ | to be honest, users that 'want' capacitive screen, lack of microSD, lack of removable battery, and monoblock, doesnt need Meego, even in such horrible shape as in Harmattan | 20:29 |
| Estel_ | Gave them symbian or Ios | 20:29 |
| Estel_ | hehehe, You're talking to user, that use DIY-build dual-scud 3000 mAh battery, which modified mugen cover = even more thick | 20:30 |
| Estel_ | and to be honest, writing in such N900is *much* more comfortable, than to regular-cover one | 20:31 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski has clearly never seen a brick. | 20:31 |
| Estel_ | ah, did I told about lack of hardware keyboard on N9? ;) | 20:32 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 20:32 |
| luke-jr | N9 is an insult. | 20:32 |
| Estel_ | I don't blame Nokia for failing, during trying to make better clone of iPod. Everyone is free to commit professional suicude ;) | 20:32 |
| Estel_ | honestly, I rather think that it's better to find a niche and please it to no end... | 20:33 |
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| Estel_ | Well, apple find a niche of <enter some not-very-complementive-content-here> people, and please them to no end | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | Nokia didn't really have a niche tho | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | and they please apple with their money, buying overpriced toys | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | Nokia just *marketted* to a niche | 20:34 |
| Estel_ | tbh, I think Nokia could use reverse niche | 20:34 |
| Estel_ | please geeks to no end | 20:34 |
| Estel_ | instead, they 'please' them with 'WONTFIX' since N770 | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | if N900 were *actually* open source, it could have had a bright future | 20:34 |
| Estel_ | agreed | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | now, piece by piece, we're getting closed source replacements... BME kick-out is on it's way, so next hardest thing is probably NOLO | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | anyway, I don't care about Nokia tbh | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | no | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | PowerVR | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | and BME replacement wasn't hard. | 20:36 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: I've seen some stuff about a new kernel module for charging and stuff, but afaik it's far from feature complete | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | *proper* bme repl€ement as hard | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | maybe. | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | as it's talking to many hildon components | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | some closed source too ;) | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: there's been working shell scripts in like 20 lines for a year or so now | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | Estel_: Hildon is crap | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | proper BME replacement has no business talking to anything GUI | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, true, but most irritating part- replacing plentora of things, that talk with and rely on bme - is almost complete | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | rest is pure joy | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | luke-jr, agreed | 20:37 |
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| Estel_ | but, to achieve that | 20:37 |
| luke-jr | I'm thinking KDE Plasma Active might be a good fit | 20:37 |
| luke-jr | maybe. | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | You need to have FOSS replacement on things that have buisness in talking to bme | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | too resource heavy for N900 | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | Estel_: nonsense | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | KDE is lighter than Maemo | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | yea, You just need to achieve hardware acceleration... | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | that's the PowerVR crap | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | which isn't such trivial in our case | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | yep. | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | that's bleak no matter whether KDE or Hildon | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | and Hildon won't work without it AFAIK | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | Still, if talking about replacement, I would preffer Mer + Nemo/Lipstick | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | yawn | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | agreed & agreed (not about yawning) | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | right now, I think the only non-free part of my Gentoo install is the firmware | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Bluetooth & wl1251 | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | trivialities ;) | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | anyway, with all due respect to Gentoo, I prwfer something closer to Debian | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | maybe arch-linux? | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | if we talk about lightweight? | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | for plentora of reasons, the closer You sit to Debian, the less hassle You have, when porting things... | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 20:42 |
| Estel_ | I'm thinking about simple daemon, that would execute script, which check if re-enabling swap partition is needed (iostat and things, borrowed from shadowjk) and does it if needed | 20:42 |
| Estel_ | starting at every boot, and checking every minute or two, so no user action is needed | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | starting at every boot, and checking every minute or two, so no user action is needed | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | I'm just trying to get sure, that daemon executing small script every 60 or 90 seconds iksn't a threat to power consumption | 20:44 |
| Estel_ | I am right? any coders here? | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: no, a lightweight script running every 60s is no problem | 20:46 |
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| Sicelo | did u have a look a t pkg-n900? | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | I already tweaked shadowjk's reswap.sh script, bundled it with accompanying script in event.d do properly update reswap.stat (holding data about write from iostat), and it's getting quite a demand | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | s/a t/at/ | 20:46 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: did u have a look at pkg-n900? | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | so I thought about pushing it further, and preparing no-userinput-needed one, that would ensure our swap is always fresh&ready | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, thanks, I'll check it | 20:47 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks for info | 20:47 |
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| Estel_ | Now i need *only* to educate myself about coding, to level allowing me to write simple daemon. eh. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | while sleep 60; do if [ check-swap-info -gt $SWAP-USAGE-LIMIT ]; then reswap; fi; done | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's your daemon, basically | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | to keep modularity, I though rather about | 20:49 |
| Estel_ | while sleep 60; do <script.sh> | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bit exaggerated | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're calling subroutines in same script, when you want to strucutize your code a abit | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | cause <script.sh> already take care about deciding, if re-enabling is needed | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | also calling a new script is a lot of overhead | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | hm, true... Yet, script.sh would be easily customizable with user data | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | (not everyone got swap on same partition etc) | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | while I don't want them to mess with daemon code. Yea, reading data from config file could fix that... | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 20:51 |
| Estel_ | so, basically one daemon | 20:51 |
| Estel_ | already reading data from info, hm. Yea, I know it's beginner chatter ;) | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's how every daemon does it | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | they virually all got a config file somewhere in /etc | 20:52 |
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| Estel_ | do You remember any particularly "similar" daemon, that I could check (source code) and learn from it to write my one? | 20:53 |
| Estel_ | I'm trying to recall something, that I could cannibalize | 20:54 |
| Estel_ | hey, what would be more lightweight, considering executing every 60 seconds- one that check iostat, compare it with .txt file, and does reswap on getting enough difference, or... | 20:55 |
| Estel_ | one that keeps initial vlue of iostat (3 digit number), and just compare it with further reading of iostat | 20:57 |
| Estel_ | without any .txt file in between? | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I'm about to find sth for you | 20:57 |
| Estel_ | thanks :) | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | current script does something like M=$(iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}') | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | LAST=$(cat reswap.stat) | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | D=$((M-LAST)) | 20:59 |
| Estel_ | if [ $D -lt 600 ] ; then fi | 20:59 |
| Estel_ | else re_enable swap | 20:59 |
| Estel_ | while it also does iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}' >/root/reswap.stat during re-enabling swap | 21:00 |
| Estel_ | to keep it up to date | 21:00 |
| Estel_ | same for every reboot (from event.d) | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: reboot will reset swap usage to zero anyway | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: iostat not available on my N900 | 21:01 |
| Estel_ | I wonder, if - for case of script executed every 60 seconds - all that mess about reswap.stat - would not be unnecessary overhead | 21:02 |
| Estel_ | hm? | 21:02 |
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| Estel_ | I haven't installed anything special re iostat | 21:02 |
| Estel_ | it's based on shadowjk work, and AFAIK it works on freshly flashed N900 | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | or busybox-power is needed? need to check that. | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | his script consider it run and end, thus writing 'cache' to reswap.stat | 21:04 |
| Estel_ | I wonder, if while being daemon running in background, reswap.stat isn't unnecessary overhead? | 21:04 |
| Estel_ | resource-wise, what is more lightweight? dumping result to text file (usually 2-4 digits), or keeping it into memory? Common sense tell the latter | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: sure, if your daemon script is always running and just sleeping in a while loop for 60s, there's basically no real need to keep transient vars in a separate .txt file | 21:05 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I need to track a lost cell phone at 1.9 GHz. Any ideas how to make N900 do this? | 21:05 |
| Estel_ | smscon? | 21:06 |
| luke-jr | based on signal interferance | 21:06 |
| Estel_ | nvm. | 21:06 |
| Estel_ | afk | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | not possible | 21:06 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | a): the lost phone is not always TXing | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it is when I call it | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | b): N900 has no RX you could abuse to track the other phone, even if it would continuously transmit | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: not even then, as TX gets reduced to almost 0 when no outbound speech data has to be transmitted | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | should be *something* | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | you'd have to answer the all before any consistent tx is active too | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | the call* | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_, it needs two swap partitions, so vanilla n900 doesn't work | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, obviously | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ^^to all 3 of you :-D | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: well, on "squelch" (no audio to TX), the number of timeslots used to send *something* gets reduced to maybe once every 5s | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can cure that problem by making loud enough noise that disables the squelch | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | you'd need a really fast radio direction finder to be able to distinguish between several transmitters? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: what are those "several TX"? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I only see one: the lost phone | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | I assumed there'd be other people with phones | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | which you *could* detect if you get closer than 1 meter with a device sensitive to interference | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | while a call is established and you make noise | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically NO way to locate such a lost phone via RF locating over a distance > maybe 20m, not even with good specialized equipment. For such distances your concern about other RF sources applies | 21:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OTOH most carriers offer locating service which is accurate to some 100m +/- | 21:17 |
| ShadowJK | close range you'd be better off listening for the ringtone | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas you usually have to enable such location service while yu still have access to phone, so you could acknowledge the service-enabling-notifier | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: good point :-D | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: obviously you'll want something like /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts (or any other file in there) | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: for your config file you may look at line >>source /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh<< in /etc/init.d/ke-recv - you'd define $envs in that sourced file and pass them to your invocation of the daemon script | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only if the /etc/estels-reswapdaemon-config.cfg you source is NOT world writeable, as otherwise every luser could inkect arbitrary commands into init process to execute them with root permissions | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you want allow lusers to edit the config, you have to actively parse and interpret the content, not simply source it | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not do that, for your daemon it's a sane approach when only root may configure it | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you place your daemon script into /sbin (not /usr/sbin or even /opt !) and invoke it like >> start-stop-daemon -b --start --quiet --user $USER --exec $DAEMON -- $PARAMS << | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | where $DAEMON points to your /sbin/estels-reswapd daemon script, $PARAMS are the parameters sourced from the config file in /etc/*, and $USER most likely is root, though possibly you also want a dedicated user that has permissions to meddle with swap | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | forget about $USER for now ;-D | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the daemon script itself actually is only your current reswap script warpped into a `while sleep $CHECK-DELAY; do ... ...; ... ; done;` loop | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding ShadowJK 's remark about needing 2 swap areas, you *could* use a temporary swapfile created anywhere, if only it wasn't broken to the bones in stock kernel | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably you'll need to check if there's any usable auxiliary swap partition on eMMC or uSD prior to doing any reswap | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SWAP=$(find-any-aux-swap-partiton) || (logger "No aux swap found, aborting"; exit 10) | 21:59 |
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| Macer | you know | 22:49 |
| Macer | not for nothing... it would be nice if telepathy set you away when the screen was off :) | 22:50 |
| Macer | lol | 22:50 |
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