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| infobot | Estel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff | 00:56 |
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| infobot | Estel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff | 01:44 |
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| infobot | Estel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff | 01:49 |
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| beford | didn't n8x0 tablets allow apps while using it for skype calls? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57345445/apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/ | 02:45 |
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| ShadowJK | beford; yes | 03:08 |
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| valeriusN | When I do apt-get update on my N900, I get an error about "NO_PUBKEY" for Nokia servers. Does anyone know, which GPG keyserver I can use to get a public key? | 03:28 |
| jacekowski | all keyservers are linked | 03:34 |
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| valeriusN | jacekowski, I tried keys.gnupg.net, but it did not found that key | 03:41 |
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| infobot | Hey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions | 07:50 |
| * RST38h yawns | 07:51 | |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns too | 08:02 | |
| Macer_ | blah | 08:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/) I'm going to patent breathing while shitting/f*cking/reading/walking/talking | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's face it: apple got patents on the flat surface now, on multitasking, I wonder what's next | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | those turds | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm quite happy I got my patents on user defined cell functions in spreadsheets in like 2001 | 08:09 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh | 08:25 |
| Macer | patents using apps during calls? | 08:25 |
| Macer | is that even possible? | 08:25 |
| Macer | that sure sounds like something that would be rejected | 08:26 |
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| merlin1991 | Macer: that is something that just got approved | 08:49 |
| merlin1991 | but as far as I understand it the n9 does not infringe it | 08:49 |
| merlin1991 | because the patent describes an on screen button | 08:50 |
| merlin1991 | yay for swipe :) | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: bogus patent is bogus | 08:50 |
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| merlin1991 | luke-jr: though I do not want to be on the recieving end of the first lawsuit | 08:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember using apps while calling on the neo1973 | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I remember clearly doing it long before smartphones | 08:52 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: they used their aswesome "mobile computer with touchscreen" line | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | back when FreeWorldDialup or whatever had VoIP that could dial 800 #s free | 08:52 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Hmm | 08:52 |
| * merlin1991 darkly remembers some other apple vs x case where the patent was "valid" because no prior art involved a touchscreen | 08:52 | |
| luke-jr | I used to make all my phone calls using calling cards | 08:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: It's fucking insane. | 08:52 |
| merlin1991 | I completely agree | 08:53 |
| SpeedEvil | The definition of 'obvious' needs to be _really_ tightened up. | 08:53 |
| Macer | hahaha | 08:53 |
| Macer | apple is going to win its battle by locking everything down | 08:53 |
| Macer | :) have to give them an A for effort | 08:53 |
| SpeedEvil | You should not get to patent 'painting a flying car made of metal to reduce corrosion and/or change appearance. | 08:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Just because you've invented a flying car | 08:53 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 08:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (or imagined a flying car) | 08:53 |
| Macer | they didn't invent a touch screen tho :) | 08:54 |
| * merlin1991 is waiting for the final result of apple vs motorola in germany | 08:54 | |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: rather, patents and copyrights need to be merged | 08:54 |
| merlin1991 | if that goes through it's going to be funky for apple | 08:54 |
| Macer | apple is fking up... sooner or later they're all goin to gang up on apple | 08:54 |
| Macer | and come up with a patent sharing system with everybody except apple | 08:54 |
| Macer | lol | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | eg, you get copyright-like monopoly for 3 years provided the government gets the full source code to publish at that time | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | ideally, require customers to get source code for those 3 years too | 08:55 |
| Macer | fk no that will never happen | 08:55 |
| Macer | hahahaa | 08:55 |
| merlin1991 | luke-jr: imo the patent system in its current form is simply outdated, it worked great as long as development wasnt that fast, but now a 20 year hold on somy silly on screen button, srly? | 08:56 |
| Macer | i'll give you submitting code for copyright... but there is no way in hell they would go with a system where customers get all src | 08:56 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: why not? | 08:56 |
| Macer | but then again i suppose you might be able to get it with the freedom of information act | 08:56 |
| Macer | because it is IP :) | 08:56 |
| Macer | the chinese will use it for knock offs | 08:56 |
| merlin1991 | Macer: that would only count in the us though | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | Macer: in exchange, they get government protection for their monopoly for 3 years | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | Macer: if they don't comply, they get NOTHING | 08:56 |
| Macer | but then they would spend 10x in govt red tape | 08:57 |
| Macer | as if that isn't bad enough? :) | 08:57 |
| merlin1991 | now try to get that passed by the same people who would like to pass sopa :D | 08:57 |
| Macer | not to mention the china factor again | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | hehhee | 08:57 |
| Macer | the chinese will tell a US court to go fk themselves | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | Eurasia needs to collapse so we can get a bunch of new countries with their own unique laws <.< | 08:58 |
| Macer | and make knockoffs based on "customer code" al day long :) | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | Macer: people would stop exporting to China ;) | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | Macer: and wouldn't trust China to produce their products | 08:58 |
| Macer | luke-jr: china doesn't care about imports :-P | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | Macer: overall, a good thing | 08:58 |
| Macer | only exports | 08:58 |
| merlin1991 | come on why get rid of europe? | 08:58 |
| Macer | and doesn't matter.. someone in asia will do it regardless heh | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: worst continent right now? | 08:58 |
| Macer | if not them... the russians | 08:58 |
| merlin1991 | luke-jr: I'm pretty happy here in austria | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | Russia is part of Eurasia :P | 08:59 |
| merlin1991 | what's your reasoning for worst? | 08:59 |
| Macer | i think eurasia needs to have 1 govt | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: only cuz you don't know better :P | 08:59 |
| Macer | but that'll never happen :) | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: rampant liberalism gone beyond insane | 08:59 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | also, SI | 08:59 |
| Macer | hahahah! SI?? | 08:59 |
| Macer | :) | 08:59 |
| Macer | seriously? | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | SI sucks, but it's probably the worst of Eurasia's problems :P | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | err | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | least bad* | 09:00 |
| merlin1991 | on the other hand we don't have the us way of spying on everyone, no military operations, and health care :D | 09:00 |
| merlin1991 | (talking about austria not whole of europe here) | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: instead you have legalized murder and kidnapping as "rights" | 09:00 |
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| merlin1991 | luke-jr: I must have missed that, when did we do that? | 09:01 |
| Macer | luke-jr: that was in the hitler days :-P | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: well, legalized murder is basically international now, so long as the victim isn't born yet | 09:01 |
| merlin1991 | isn't here | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: legalized kidnapping was whenever Austria ratified the CRC | 09:01 |
| merlin1991 | CRC stands for what? | 09:01 |
| Macer | legalized kidnapping! keep up! :) | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | http://www.unicef.org/crc/ | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: Wikipedia says murdering unborn children legalized in Austria since 1974 | 09:02 |
| merlin1991 | luke-jr: it is not legalized per se, there is a timeframe in which it is allowed, and in case of complications for the mother late abortion is legal | 09:03 |
| merlin1991 | and even the timeframe is not a proper law but stands in conflict with another one :D | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: see, legalized murder | 09:03 |
| merlin1991 | murdering of unborn childen in austria is actually not a clear case law wise | 09:03 |
| merlin1991 | true though | 09:04 |
| merlin1991 | but luke-jr which country doesn't? | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | the USA is the only country worldwide to not ratify the CDC, at least | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | and the liberals here are trying to change that fast | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | so hopefully some of Eurasia gets a fresh start first | 09:04 |
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| Macer | china is probing an explosion at an apple supplier factory | 09:06 |
| Macer | :) | 09:06 |
| Macer | google agents? | 09:06 |
| Macer | lol | 09:06 |
| Macer | company covert ops.. that would be awesome | 09:07 |
| Macer | the great tech war of 2012 | 09:07 |
| niwakame | less Deus Ex, more cookies | 09:08 |
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| vi_ | Macer: corporate espionage is a real threat for many companies. | 11:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | ugh *note to self: never get a custom/d-i-y screen protectors and fit it on N900... they are virtually impossible to take off without scratching the digitiser* | 12:58 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 16:58 |
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| shanttu | are core-dumps on sd-card something that should be backed up? | 18:15 |
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| valdyn | shanttu: nope | 18:18 |
| shanttu | valdyn, thanks. | 18:18 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, AIUI (and as felipec pointed on 720p thread) videoframes captured by camera driver are memcpy'ed to framebuffer for previewing | 22:30 |
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| freemangordon | you can imagine the performance loss because of that | 22:31 |
| Pali | yes this can be slow | 22:31 |
| freemangordon | the solution is to use mmap'ed framebuffer and to pass the address to camera driver | 22:31 |
| Pali | but I do not know why... | 22:31 |
| freemangordon | so isp (camera driver) captures directly into framebuffer | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | hardware-wise that is perfectly ok | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | but isp and kernel does not support it. isp tries to get_user_pages on that address, and it fails. | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | of course | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | I've found a solution on inet, but another issue arose | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | isp tries to do iommu_vmap on a DMA sg list containing only one entry , with lenght which is not PAGESIZE. And I am stuck there. | 22:36 |
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| freemangordon | That is why I nead some guru to help. | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | *need | 22:37 |
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| Pali | maybe you could ask developers of framebuffer or better nokia developer who working on upstreaming camera kernel module... | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | I've passed trough a lot of patches, seems the whole driver structure is different. But this is still not fixed AIUI. | 22:40 |
| Pali | https://gitorious.org/~sailus | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I was about to git clone it :D. | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's generally hard (impossible) to get large amounts of physically continous ram from the kernel | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | framebuffer is | 22:42 |
| StyXman | nokia n900, I think | 22:42 |
| StyXman | errr | 22:43 |
| StyXman | nevermoind | 22:43 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK, framebuffer memory is continious physical RAM. And it is 8MB in last KP | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | Pretty enough for 3-4 v4l2 videobuffers even at 1280x720 | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | and doing DMA instead of memcpy leaves MPU free to do more important things in the process of video capure. If only I can do it :D | 22:47 |
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