IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-12-20

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psychologeinstall mappero,gread application, but used google maps,  place name is english,,i am in chian ,,how change place name to chinese?00:12
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Palimerlin1991, did you got answer from nokia about l10n?00:35
merlin1991so far not00:35
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Palimerlin1991, how was modest-l10n package imported into gitorious?00:39
PaliI was not able to find sources for modest-l10n too00:40
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merlin1991Pali: actually I don't know that00:43
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luke-jranyone have a Qt-based camera app yet?00:47
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merlin1991luke-jr: the camera input is gestreamer afaik, noone does gestreamer with qt :D00:51
luke-jrmerlin1991: Qt does support gstreamer, and gstreamer shouldn't be needed for cams00:51
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Macerhtc devices banned from the us lol01:50
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txt_fileHello. I have a problem with my osso-xterm. I lost the mouse option a few minutes ago when i tried to increase the scrollback. Has someone any idea how to get it back?01:51
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txt_fileIt is pretty stupid not to be able to scroll in xterm.01:57
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doctorkohakuis it possible to run the BME inside a different OS?04:53
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infobotEstel, old haxor! read ff05:22
Estel_~Estel's pager05:25
Estel_~Estel_'s pager05:26
Estel_~DocScrutinizer's pager05:26
infobotrumour has it, docscrutinizer's pager is mailto:docscrutinizer@omma-projekt.de05:26
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Estel_hey there. I've connected my DVD-RW using ATA to USB adapter, and through HEN. Device is enumerated and recognized properly, but not automounted. I'm willing to mount it manually, but got no idea what in /dev/ should I treat as my writer05:38
Estel_any hints?05:38
wmarone__is there an sr0 node?05:39
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Estel_Of course, now I'm just trying to access data stored on optical disk, leaving writing for another day ;)05:42
Estel_dmesg shows last message:05:43
Estel_[ 9268.697174] scsi 9:0:0:0: CD-ROM            ATAPI    DVD DD 2X16X4X16 G7H9 PQ: 0 ANSI: 005:43
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luke-jryou like? :P06:43
Estel_maybe, if You're going to tell wtf is that06:47
luke-jrEstel_: script to generate the password for…06:48
luke-jrbased on information extracted from a N900 :p06:48
Estel_definitelly like06:48
luke-jrsince I can't just distribute the username/password myself06:48
luke-jrit talks to cellmo, starting it from scratch if necessary :P06:49
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DocScrutinizersome of you might like that? T-Mobile USA gets $3E9 from AT&T for *not* getting bought by them. AT&T - T-Mo merger ultimately cancelled07:17
wmarone__nah, DT gets it07:20
wmarone__still good that AT&T gave up, maybe someone else will step up07:20
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer :D07:37
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infobotHey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions07:45
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DocScrutinizer~ignore estel_07:52
infoboterror: chan #maemo is invalid.07:52
DocScrutinizerI'm pondering to enable ignore on #maemo ;-P07:52
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slonopotamusinfobot: ahha! i always thought this chan is kinda wrong07:53
infobotslonopotamus: okay07:53
DocScrutinizer/kick slonopotamus07:53
DocScrutinizer~forget ahha! i always thought this chan07:54
infoboti forgot ahha! i always thought this chan, DocScrutinizer07:54
DocScrutinizer~ignore slonopotamus07:54
infoboterror: chan #maemo is invalid.07:54
slonopotamus~chan #maemo07:55
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, chan #maemo is invalid.07:55
slonopotamusyou started it07:56
DocScrutinizer~forget chan #maemo07:56
infoboti forgot chan #maemo, DocScrutinizer07:56
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slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: you're a bit nervous today :/07:57
DocScrutinizerI hate fools spamming ibot's factoid database07:58
DocScrutinizerand it's been estel who started it by abusing onjoin07:58
DocScrutinizerin a *very* inadequate way, so ibot spammed each channel I'm in with >> <infobot> Hey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions<<07:59
DocScrutinizermissing TWO things: a highlight to me, and a restriction to a particular channel08:00
DocScrutinizer~+help onjoin08:00
infobot   Desc: get/set OnJoin message (needs chan option +OnJoin)08:00
infobot  Usage: onjoin [#chan|_default] [-]<nick> [message]08:00
infobotExample: onjoin infobot Hey! It's another infobot!08:00
Macerstill amazed08:02
Macerthe itc can ban shipments? :)08:02
DocScrutinizeryesterday SpeedEvil accidentally abused infobot by >>~3.6 is what I get usually<<08:03
DocScrutinizertoday you start to abuse infobot deliberately08:03
DocScrutinizerany surprise I get upset?08:03
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infobotSince Sun Dec 11 22:22:34 2011, there have been 37 modifications, 378 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 199 commands.  I have been awake for 8d 7h 41m 27s this session, and currently reference 118331 factoids.  I'm using about 22808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2609.44/60.46 child 0/008:04
slonopotamus0 morons?08:05
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: sorry, but please don't mess with infobot, it's mostly meant for a factoid database, and sometimes also for fun, but that fun stops where factoid database gets spammed with random noise08:06
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: yeah, indeed. I also wonder how she could believe there've been "o morons" ;-P08:06
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DocScrutinizerI admit I have no clue what defines a moron, in ibot's world08:07
DocScrutinizersame for dunnos08:08
DocScrutinizerhey SpeedEvil08:10
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DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: btw the advice in ~query is serious, don't get too leet! Tim Riker might be more ruthless with restrictions that I am08:13
infobottalk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)08:13
* slonopotamus yawns08:13
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DocScrutinizeryawn again!08:14
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slonopotamusany plans to roll out a diablo kernel update with merged in?08:14
slonopotamusi guess that was too much maemo-related for this channel :-/08:18
DocScrutinizerI guess you're trolling08:18
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DocScrutinizeryou're aware there are only maybe 4 people on this globe to answer that question?08:19
DocScrutinizerand odds are you'll meet them here - not 24/7 though08:19
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Macer1337? :-P l33t?08:41
Macerdo they still build diablo kernels?08:42
* Macer grins08:42
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infobotFast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL:, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at
* Macer facepalm08:42
Macer#maemo bot fail08:42
infobot[harmattan] teh suck08:43
infoboti guess maemo is
infobotit has been said that moron is someone that types long lines starting with "infobot"08:44
Macerinfobot: are you my sex slave?08:44
Macerinfobot are you my sex slave?08:44
Macernot long enough? :)08:45
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DocScrutinizerno, that's even short enough for a factoid key08:56
DocScrutinizerinfobot won't mind telling her about stuff she doesn't understand, but she might wonder WTF this very line means, given the relatively simple parser that only looks for the definition separator keyword "is"08:58
infobotSince Sun Dec 11 22:22:34 2011, there have been 37 modifications, 384 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 199 commands.  I have been awake for 8d 8h 35m 39s this session, and currently reference 118331 factoids.  I'm using about 22808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2621.98/60.88 child 0/008:58
luke-jrMacer: HEY NOOB08:58
luke-jrMacer: I GOT VOICE CALLS ON GENTOO08:58
DocScrutinizeryou build cmtspeech ALSA plugin?08:58
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: no, but it's within sight :P08:58
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: like I said, I'll probably finish it in 3 weeks08:59
SpeedEvilluke-jr: :)08:59
* DocScrutinizer waves, off for daywork08:59
luke-jrin the meantime, I can work on a phonet driver for gpsd08:59
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: btw, did you see my n900-password script? :P08:59
luke-jrSpeedEvil: ^09:00
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Macerliar :-P09:01
luke-jrMacer: no, I played enough to make one call :P09:02
luke-jrjust didn't clean it up yet09:02
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luke-jrprobably the biggest "issue" will be getting a sane highpass filter09:03
luke-jrcuz I have nfc how any of that works09:03
luke-jror what a highpass filter even is09:03
luke-jr(whatever it is, without it there's a risk of blowing the speakers)09:03
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DocScrutinizera highpass filter cuts off low frequencies09:06
DocScrutinizerhere is shall kill all audio lower than maybe 200Hz09:06
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: totally the opposite of my guess :D09:12
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: did I ask you if you could look at the code I found yet? :P09:12
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DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: no, you didn't ask me that09:51
luke-jrapparently it only works at 48 kHz as-is tho09:52
luke-jrI wouldn't have a clue how to adapt for other sample rates09:52
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DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: it's a digital filter. The filter freq is related to sample freq. so if you go to half the sample rate, your filter also goes  down to f/2 for cutoff09:57
luke-jrthat assumes I have some idea what f is, or really which part of this code does the filtering at all :P09:58
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: with dmix you gota rather hardcoded samplle rate anyway, so don't bothwer about other rates09:59
luke-jrI'm not sure I'll end up using dmix.10:00
luke-jrand frankly, I'm scared of accidentally breaking stuff :P10:00
luke-jrmaybe I'll find a way to disable other sample rates in the kernel..10:01
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Paliping X-Fade14:37
Pali~seen X-Fade14:37
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 11h 29m 29s) #harmattan (1d 11h 29m 29s) #meego (1d 11h 29m 29s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 43m 49s, last said: 'I wonder if it is a 'using storage space' requirement or more 'make a mess' one.'.14:37
psychologeinfobot, how do you konw that?14:38
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Palihe is logged in all these channels and monitor IRC messages14:42
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ruskie <-- and nobody cares14:48
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fecubhello guys !  i have problem with all my twitter clients, 401 error ! have you a idea what can i do, to solve this problem! clients: TwimGo, TweeGo, n900 plugin15:19
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fecubthis twitter client problems is under n900/maemo!15:21
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jazedalAre there any current implementations to fulfill the notify-send use cases?17:05
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RST38hMeanwhile: Feds Tell Man To Stop Giving Away His Sperm for Free Online17:32
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jazedalHe should have at least charged.17:35
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: muhaha17:35
DocScrutinizer51must be USA17:36
DocScrutinizer51The Illinois Enenma Bandit (FZ)17:36
jazedalI've already looked for a notify-send implementation.  If one doesn't exist, I'm going to make and upload it myself.17:37
jazedalAny objections?17:37
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m21rwhi there i got a question, i got a "chipdrive" by scm with x86-drivers for linux, would it be possible to install them on the n90019:26
m21rwsomehow i guess not :(19:26
m21rwthey are btw. propiertary19:27
SpeedEvilmay be easier to revese it19:27
m21rwdamn, i thought it wouldnt work :/19:27
SpeedEvilWhat is the device?19:27
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SpeedEvilThe problem isn't so much pretending to be x86 - it's pretending to be windows accurately enough for it to work19:28
SpeedEvilAnd the translation19:28
m21rwsee here -->
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SpeedEvilThat is a very unhelpful pic19:28
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m21rwits smart-card reader, for blank smart-cards19:28
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Pali~seen X-Fade19:29
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 16h 21m 42s) #harmattan (1d 16h 21m 42s) #meego (1d 16h 21m 42s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 5h 36m 2s, last said: 'I wonder if it is a 'using storage space' requirement or more 'make a mess' one.'.19:29
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m21rw_so is there the possibility or is it most-likely not be doable?19:33
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SpeedEvilIf you need to ask, you probably can't do it.19:38
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SpeedEvilIn principle it's possible, but I'm not aware of any ndiswrapper+qemu thing that might work for you19:39
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m21rw_well its more like iam asking if a proprietary x86 driver will run without reversing it or do something as time-consuming19:42
m21rw_as that*19:42
SpeedEvilThe processor is not x8619:45
SpeedEvilSo absolutely not19:45
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SpeedEvilUnless you either do something clever, or find someone who has done.19:46
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m21rw_crap, i guessed so :/19:47
jacekowskiwell, depends on driver19:48
jacekowskiif it's libusb based19:48
jacekowskiyou could go painful way of running it on qemu19:48
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m21rw_really that painful?19:54
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jacekowskiand slow19:57
jacekowskiyou get maybe 5% of native performance19:57
m21rw_so you thought of qemu running a virtual machine with win*x* and then installing the driver in there?20:00
m21rw_iam not aware of the performance, did anyone yet tried smth. similiar?20:01
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jacekowskiyeah, on psp20:02
jacekowskiit took around hour to boot win9820:02
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m21rw_but wait, lets say i manage to run win98 under qemu and install the driver would that really work?20:07
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luke-jrm21rw_: Linux kernel modules are covered by the GPL. Report them to GPL infringments20:10
SpeedEvilluke-jr: windows driver20:11
SpeedEvilWhich are rarely GPL20:11
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: he said Linux20:11
luke-jr[12:26:13] <m21rw> hi there i got a question, i got a "chipdrive" by scm with x86-drivers for linux, would it be possible to install them on the n90020:11
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SpeedEvilmised that20:14
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m21rw_there are linux drivers and win drivers20:19
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m21rw_here are they, might someone with more expertise take a look at them20:25
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luke-jrstill no /dev/video* even with firmware :|20:36
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m21rw_another question, as you may noticed iam kinda new to the n900 and stuff.20:56
r00t^homem21rw_: that is not a kernel driver...20:57
r00t^homem21rw_: it's a userspace library that links libusb...20:57
m21rw_is it just me or is the program manager kinda slowish after installing a program?20:58
m21rw_would be kinda cool just to select the packages i need and then install them in a row.20:58
r00t^homeuse apt-get20:58
m21rw_the normal way, after installing i always had to wait about a minute after installing an app20:59
m21rw_already thought about synaptic, but not kinda sure how it performs21:01
r00t^homeyou need a gui?21:01
m21rw_and regarding apt-get, i use it, its just sometimes a problem when theres an application i dont know the package_name of21:02
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m21rw_then i have to double check it first :)21:02
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r00t^homeapt-cache search <app title>21:02
m21rw_i thought there would be a cmd therefore :)21:03
r00t^homem21rw_: for your chipdrive "driver"... are you sure nobody reverse-engineered that library yet? given that all it does is translate between library calls and libusb, that should not be that big of a project... or just ask the vendor for an arm binary...21:04
m21rw_its kinda strange, as the original one with a serial-bus instead of an usb port was pretty popular21:06
r00t^homewhy not get the serial version?21:06
m21rw_would that change anything?21:07
r00t^homeright, not significantly so if the "driver" is also proprietary...21:07
m21rw_i mean, i dont mind which interface it has as long as it works :)21:07
m21rw_hmm would have to check it :)21:08
r00t^homebtw... how would you connect the usb device to the n900 anyway...21:08
r00t^homewith the serial one, you could just use a bluetooth serial bridge...21:08
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jacekowskin900 can do usb21:10
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infobotwell, hostmode is, or see ~hostmode-charging21:12
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m21rw__heres a picture of the original "chipdrive" it would be kinda possible that there are os drivers21:14
r00t^homewell, find them?21:15
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m21rw__yep there are some21:17
m21rw__got em21:17
r00t^homeso, there you go...21:18
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m21rw__here -
m21rw__but how to establish a connection with this serial device?21:24
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m21rw__never heard about a blutooth serial bridge21:25
r00t^homem21rw__: usb->serial or bluetooth->serial21:25
r00t^homewhere the bluetooth verion is probably most interesting, being wireless and all21:25
r00t^homethe n900 probably has an uart-port somewhere under the battery cover, if you like soldering ;)21:26
r00t^homem21rw__: the most common ones are these:
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m21rw__i loooove soldering ;)21:30
m21rw__nah i guess i would take the usb-serial version21:30
r00t^homein that case, you might like to put a bluetooth module (and battery) right in the chipdrive... ;)21:31
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vi__what about rfid reader on uart under battery?21:42
r00t^homem21rw__: btw, what would you use the chipdrive on n900 for?21:44
r00t^homem21rw__: banking?21:44
m21rw__authentication purpose and robotics :)21:45
r00t^homeso instead of enter pin, connect reader and insert chipcard? ;)21:45
m21rw__for example21:45
m21rw__but not in a banking case21:45
m21rw__thats stuff i wont do over the net :)21:46
r00t^homedon't believe in cryptography?21:46
m21rw__there isnt perfect security21:47
m21rw__and how long will crypthoalgorithms like those that we use actually be unbreakable21:48
r00t^homeit won't get more secure than a linux device with card-reader...21:48
m21rw__btw. is it just me or isnt there a root-pw on the n90021:48
m21rw__i get root-access by just typing root in the console21:49
m21rw__or some kind of fake-root?21:49
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r00t^homethat's the sudo configuration21:49
M3WZ3R0Hello there .. :)21:50
r00t^homeyou can set a root password, but disabling sudo would break some or more applications21:50
luke-jrit's possible to burn out the flash LEDs, right?21:50
m21rw__didnt flash it yet, but will for security reasons21:51
M3WZ3R0guys i bought a nokia n900 2 days ago.. you think this mobile is getting old or something ?!21:51
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m21rw__and and then apply some updates21:51
r00t^homeM3WZ3R0: no21:51
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m21rw__sell it dude21:51
r00t^homeluke-jr: the docs on the led driver stuff very plausibly sey so, yes21:51
M3WZ3R0but in the same day i got the mini usb port failure.. so i send it support center ?!21:52
M3WZ3R0sell it ? lol are you kiddin me21:52
m21rw__or wait until nokia stop production21:52
luke-jrr00t^home: but with stock kernel?21:52
m21rw__and sell it for a redicioulus price21:52
r00t^homeM3WZ3R0: people say, nokia has no spare parts to repair them anymore, and will give you a different phone... if it's still undee warranty that is21:52
luke-jrM3WZ3R0: N900 is basically dead21:52
r00t^homeluke-jr: the kernel driver just provides a stright interface to the chip, with no sanity checks21:53
m21rw__got mine for 129 bucks21:53
m21rw__absolutelly new regarding looks21:54
m21rw__the way it looks*21:54
M3WZ3R0ohh they didn't tell me anything for now.. they said they will check everything then give me a call21:54
m21rw__just one little defect21:54
m21rw__there is a whiter spot on the screen21:54
luke-jrr00t^home: so what do I need to avoid doing? ;)21:54
r00t^homeluke-jr: you are reading the page on the led driver, right?21:55
M3WZ3R0luke-jr: why you think it is dead ?!21:55
luke-jrr00t^home: couldn't find a useful one21:55
luke-jrM3WZ3R0: Nokia killed off the platform a long time ago21:55
luke-jrM3WZ3R0: and the hardware is pretty much obsolete21:55
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m21rw__lets hope nitdroid gets better21:56
m21rw__atleast theres a future21:56
M3WZ3R0luke-jr : but community didn't21:56
r00t^homeluke-jr: ?21:56
luke-jrM3WZ3R0: community can't do much21:56
luke-jrm21rw__: someone's still working on Nitdroid?21:57
M3WZ3R0yeah i mean there is nitdroid and there is meego too21:57
luke-jrm21rw__: might as well get a stock-Android phone if you want Android tho21:57
luke-jrMeego is dead21:57
M3WZ3R0i didn't try nitdroid yet.. what else than phone calling is not working yet ?21:57
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M3WZ3R0meego is dead ?! wtf :S21:58
r00t^homeluke-jr: this would be the API calls to control the flash...;a=blob;f=src/flashlight_lib.c;h=31a393938f688d2370b637f584e4acf5840012ae;hb=refs/heads/master21:58
m21rw__luke-jr: i actually wanted to get the ZTE Blade until i found the n900 for the same price21:58
luke-jrr00t^home: I don't run Mameo.21:58
r00t^homeluke-jr: i actually got the flash and other LEDs mixed up, so no idea if the kernel driver does sanity checks21:59
m21rw__camera, gps, phone calls21:59
r00t^homeluke-jr: well, then check the docs/apis of whatever you use...21:59
m21rw__but voip should work i heard21:59
m21rw__not sure though21:59
M3WZ3R0ohh only ? thats great22:00
m21rw__wait a sec22:00
M3WZ3R0i got my n900 for about 240$22:00
vi__the source code for flashlight lib has all sorts of shit about over current fault and stuff.22:01
vi__why do you ask luke?22:01
vi__you want flashlight torch for gentoo?22:01
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m21rw__there you go check it22:02
M3WZ3R0ohh thank you dude22:02
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m21rw__its strange that there stands "wifi - working not done"22:03
M3WZ3R0mohammad where are you from ?22:03
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m21rw__ive already seen it working on a lot of vids on the tube22:04
M3WZ3R0yeah me too22:04
m21rw__if i had a dataplan for voip i would use it as main os22:05
fw190Well maybe nobody updated the wiki since a while22:05
m21rw__it seems somehow more responsive22:05
m21rw__although its an unfinished port22:05
m21rw__flash in general too, game emulators too22:06
fw190As e-yes stated on twitter ICS is to big for N900 so probably it wont be finished22:06
m21rw__seen a vid that compared the playstation emu of android with the one of the n90022:07
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m21rw__it was a lot faster on android22:07
m21rw__but maybe its the emu and i shouldnt blame the os22:07
m21rw__and i would care about ics too much22:08
m21rw__a fully working gingerbread satisfies me22:08
fw190Well this ICS thingi is strange22:08
M3WZ3R0hardware too.. there are many phones now with better processors and rams22:09
M3WZ3R0m21rw__ whats your mob ?22:09
vi__blah blah blah22:09
fw190Some said that devices with 2.3 could run ICS22:09
vi__more corez22:09
vi__triple ramz22:09
vi__quadrouple screenz22:09
fw190Quadruple speed22:09
M3WZ3R0yeah vi__ very better hardware than n90022:09
vi__septuple camraz22:09
fw190Septuple :)22:10
vi__what is the point if it is nothing more than a glorified launcher of trivial 'appz'?22:10
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vi__riddle me that.22:10
m21rw__i got an n900 M3WZ3R022:10
vi__like running win3.1 on my 4GHz P4.22:11
M3WZ3R0better performance vi__22:11
fw190Well you/e got a strong point here22:11
m21rw__or whatcha mean with "mob"22:11
M3WZ3R0oh ok m21rw__ anyways it was stupid question xD22:11
m21rw__hmm kinda ;)22:11
vi__look! i can run this fart sound boad on 2 processors for half the battery life now! woot!22:12
m21rw__but who cares :)22:12
m21rw__hehe vi_22:12
vi__android is shit, it doesnt even have multitasking.22:12
vi__symbian had multitasking in 200122:12
M3WZ3R0i want android for apps only22:12
m21rw__its more responsive22:13
m21rw__same here22:13
vi__BUT IT HAZ 3 COREZ22:13
m21rw__they got nice apps there22:13
M3WZ3R0yeah really awesome apps..22:13
m21rw__i really thinking about trying nitdroid22:13
vi__farting appz!22:13
M3WZ3R0when i got my n900 back i'll install android22:13
vi__simpsons appz!22:14
M3WZ3R0lol vi__22:14
vi__whatsapp appz!22:14
M3WZ3R0are you drunk man ?22:14
MohammadAGAndroid apps suck22:14
MohammadAGseriously, compared to iOS apps, they suck22:14
MohammadAGIf you want android, get an android device22:14
M3WZ3R0MohammadAG where are you from ?22:14
MohammadAGseriously, why bother with Nokia?22:14
m21rw__hmm but also good apps22:14
vi__i would sooner trade my 286 for a furby than buy into that appz horse shit.22:14
fw190Never tried iOS :) and dont tend to.22:15
MohammadAGM3WZ3R0, Palestine22:15
M3WZ3R0really dude ?!22:15
MohammadAGyou should22:15
MohammadAGreally, the apps own Android's, they're all high quality and stuff22:15
MohammadAGthey even include segfaults in some cases22:15
vi__wriiten in java22:16
vi__write once...22:16
M3WZ3R0iOS = apps22:16
m21rw__some are quite good others dont22:16
vi__...crash anywhere22:16
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M3WZ3R0nothing more than apps22:16
m21rw__i dont like ios :)22:16
MohammadAGno, I was born on the internet as part of a bot network22:16
M3WZ3R0i don't either22:16
r00t^homeluke-jr: btw, i don't see how you not running maemo is related tot he led issue... unless the driver was completely rewritten for your OS22:16
M3WZ3R0MohammadAG where are you in Palestine ?22:17
m21rw__hows the picture qualitx of an iphone 4 compared to the one of the n90022:17
M3WZ3R0i don't give a fuck for any apple product22:17
m21rw__iam kinda impressed of some macro pics i took22:18
MohammadAGI find iOS better than android, development wise22:18
MohammadAGless fragmentation, rich API, etc22:18
MohammadAGoh and a proper language22:18
MohammadAGwell, not that proper but compared with Android22:18
M3WZ3R0google rules22:18
m21rw__with the n90022:18
vi__apps are shit.  I can make the function of 85% of appz with a bash script.22:18
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m21rw__but there are things that are way easier to achieve under android22:19
vi__such as?22:19
m21rw__for example tethering although it works on the n900 yet22:19
vi__wtf does that even mean?22:20
BluesLeeBut those apps are also entering the different n9 feeds22:20
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vi__you mean using a phone as a modem?22:20
M3WZ3R0BluesLee you got an n9 ?22:20
vi__welcome to 199922:20
m21rw__wifi tethering22:20
BluesLeeYes and a lumia, hehe22:20
M3WZ3R0which one you see better?22:21
vi__m21rw__: iptables + wifi in access point mode22:21
BluesLeeN9 certainly22:21
m21rw__the n9 seems btw like a joke to me22:21
M3WZ3R0is meego dead like i don't know who said ?22:22
BluesLeeI went to a developer meeting and Microsoft gave me a lumia22:22
mgedminM3WZ3R0, yes, for some values of 'dead'22:22
m21rw__not even comparable to some actually kinda old sgs222:22
BluesLeeThe n9 is no joke22:22
mgedminNokia's CEO publicly said there will be no more Meego phones from Nokia22:22
MohammadAGM3WZ3R0, lived in Jerusalem but I'm in Haifa now22:22
mgedminthen Intel announced that Meego is merging with LiMo to produce Tizen22:22
MohammadAGfor uni that is, I don't live here22:22
m21rw__i mean cmon it has a touchsreen only22:23
mgedminmeego website recommends everyone go look at Tizen instead22:23
vi__microsoft gave you some tuna?22:23
m21rw__wheres is the lovely keyboars22:23
M3WZ3R0MohammadAG i'm from Palestine too in jordan :))22:23
mgedminN9 has a lovely virtual keyboard ;)22:23
BluesLeeI was also an early adopter when the n900 arrived22:23
M3WZ3R0i agree with m21ew__ on of things i love in n900 is the qwerty keypad22:24
m21rw__its virtual and not real!! its like spending 600$ for some sex call22:24
BluesLeeBut compared to the n9 the development seems to be faster22:24
m21rw__also virtual and not real :P22:24
BluesLeeDamn, typing with swype is hard22:25
m21rw__i got my keyboard!22:25
m21rw__although i heard swiping should get ultra fast after you get used to it22:26
m21rw__not sure though22:26
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m21rw__for me, i'd never spend such an amont of money for an N922:27
BluesLeeIts fast enough, that's true22:27
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m21rw__i'd rather get an n900 and a sgs2 for the same price22:28
M3WZ3R0i'm loving my n900 i don't want nokia to give me another phone :S22:28
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MohammadAGit's one tick on iOS22:28
MohammadAGI don't get why people use Android tbh22:28
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MohammadAGit's far from open source22:28
MohammadAGits apps suck22:28
MohammadAGgames are stretched on high res screens cause they're made for low res ones22:28
MohammadAGno GPU acceleration (until 4.0)22:28
MohammadAGcoding for it sucks, although needing a Mac for iOS development sucks even more22:28
BluesLeeMy n900 USB got lost, I got an e7 replacement, sold that one and got an n922:29
m21rw__is the last point real22:29
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m21rw__need of an mac for mac developing?22:29
MohammadAGHarmattan as an OS is way faster than iOS22:29
M3WZ3R0BluesLee E7 !! really ?22:30
M3WZ3R0wtf no E7 ! i wanna my n900 x@22:30
M3WZ3R0someone told me it is easy to fix using a heater22:30
BluesLeeNokia gave me one as they are not produced anymore22:30
infobotfrom memory, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)22:30
m21rw__is it real that problematic22:30
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MohammadAGTizen will fail22:31
m21rw__i got a n900 in pretty good condition and try to be as careful as possible with the usb port22:31
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e-yesit's $200-250 on secondary market any way.... Time for HW hacks!=)22:33
m21rw__on the other hand, i'd think i would be able to fix it regarding i have basic smd soldering skills22:33
m21rw__i top that :P22:33
m21rw__129 bucks :)22:33
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m21rw__btw. watcha mean by hw hacksÄ22:34
m21rw__volt mod and extreme cooling concepts :)22:35
e-yeschange TS resistive -> capacitive :)22:35
m21rw__lets say for the beginning a clockrate of 3ghz22:35
M3WZ3R0can you change n900 TS :S ?22:35
M3WZ3R0from resistive to capacitive i mean :p22:35
m21rw__you can replace it :)22:35
e-yestheoretically yes22:36
M3WZ3R0that would be really good22:36
m21rw__but is the screen such a big deal?22:36
M3WZ3R0a deal but not a big one22:37
m21rw__although its resistive its kinda responsive22:37
m21rw__and who the hell need multitouch ;)22:37
vi__what good is multi touch if you have the accuracy of a nuclear missile?22:37
M3WZ3R0no multitouch :SS ?!22:37
M3WZ3R0android without multitouch ?!22:38
m21rw__i mean isnt the resolution of the resistive screen higher anyway22:39
m21rw__compared to the capacitive conterpart22:40
m21rw__btw. dont mic up the display resolution with the tracking resolution22:41
m21rw__mix up*22:41
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vi__where did you hear this?22:42
m21rw__hear what22:42
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m21rw__just out of curiosity, which browser are you using23:03
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m21rw__btw e-yes, guess you are more into nitdroid ;)23:18
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m21rw__does voip really work without a problem in n12?23:19
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e-yesm21rw__, it's hard to say exactly, i 'switched over' to new libaudio after release. it's broken by itself:)23:28
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m21rw__k, but texting and wifi works right?23:39
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m21rw__guess i will try it out tommorow23:44
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