IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-11-27

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bindianyone use rdesktop?00:06
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AminCXhi everybody, i have some problems with flashing, its still on "Finishing flashing... done" and there is no "CMT flashed successfully" for about half hour ! please help me here .00:26
psycho_oreoswhich OS are you running on your computer and what was your command line?00:27
AminCXmaemo, n900 and i'm flashing with this : "D:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -F "D:\Documents and Settings\Amin\My Documents\Downloads\Music\RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" -f"00:29
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AminCXxp sp300:29
psycho_oreoshave you flashed the eMMC before you flashed using that parameter?00:30
AminCXyes i did that and it was successfull00:31
AminCXthis file : "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin"00:31
AminCXand i'm flashing because of the no imei problem and the "all telephony functions are disabled due to ..." message .00:31
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psycho_oreosso when you flashed the fiasco (which is what you flash after you did the eMMC) you weren't returned to prompt?00:33
psycho_oreosdid your N900 say anything on the screen?00:33
AminCXyes it's still on "Finishing flashing... done" and no there is no message on the phone and the screen is black , the led is still yellow .00:34
psycho_oreosI think your device (N900) might have ran out of power before flasher could finish its operation00:34
AminCXno it's almost full of charge or at least 80% percent . i tried several times and that's it. i event tried other version "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin"00:36
psycho_oreosI'm not familiar with flashing under windows but I'm sure N900 is not meant to dim screen and show yellow/amber LED. During the entire flashing operation (especially without -R specified) your device should still display Nokia screen00:36
AminCXyes it's showing Nokia  screen .00:36
psycho_oreosand backlight should be constantly on as well00:36
befordn900 still in the news :o00:37
psycho_oreosbeford, goes to show that a geeks toy is still loved by researchers :)00:37
AminCXno the backlight is not on .00:37
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psycho_oreosAminCX, which is why I find it weird, though like I said that I never flashed my N900 under windows before.. My bet is to unplug the USB and try rebooting the N900 see if it loads up properly00:38
AminCXyes it loads up, but the error is still : "All telephony functions are disabled due to ..." and no IMEI !00:39
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AminCXsomeone told me its because of something like RPL and ..., do you know anything about that ?00:41
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SiceloAminCX: u can try a debian-based livecd.. eg ubuntu, knoppix00:44
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AminCXdo you think that will work ? i mean Linux vs Windows, is it differ enough ?00:45
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,
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psycho_oreosI personally use linux here myself. I find that linux doesn't start autoprobing and asking for drivers if the drivers are not there. In other words, its more well behaved than with windows where you have to go around disabling new hardwares being detected00:47
psycho_oreosplus you can enable R&D mode with linux based flasher00:47
Macerwell.. i have to admit00:47
Macerthis synology is awesome00:48
AminCXso it worst the shot ! i think i have an ubuntu in my virtual pc . gonna test that, but about RPL, nothing at all ?00:50
psycho_oreosyou might be able to get away with using linux under VM if you want to retain windows. Though using VM is not ideal as if the USB passthrough mode isn't clean it may cause issues00:51
infobotMulti-file recursive string replacement. URL:
AminCXI'm a debian administrator, but just ssh and command line , so i have to learn ! I'm gonna download the ubuntu00:54
psycho_oreosno IMEI could mean issues with cal00:54
AminCXcal ?00:54
psycho_oreosnot sure what the abbreviation stands for but it deals with the critical part of the device, it manages modes like R&D for instances00:55
AminCXi think there is connection between hanging on that line and the no imei problem, maybe i finally figure it out !00:55
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Siceloi also didn't have imei when i got my n900. simple reflash solved that00:57
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psycho_oreoswas your N900 brand new when you saw it didn't have IMEI?00:57
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AminCXwhat do you mean exactly ?00:58
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psycho_oreosI was asking Sicelo, in my case, none of my N900s have no IMEI. One was bought brand new and the other two are second hands00:59
Siceloyes. 100% new. PR1.101:00
AminCXi think i bought it about 12-15 month ago .01:00
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AminCXFound device RX-51, hardware revision 210101:00
psycho_oreosweird, at the time when I had my N900 brand new, it would have also been PR1.1 or thereabouts01:00
AminCXi think it was p1.101:01
psycho_oreosslightly older revision01:01
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AminCXi love this device, and i think n9 gonna be better, unfortunately there is no guaranty on my n900 and there is no authorized repair service in the town neither !01:03
Sicelou don't need that AminCX :)01:03
psycho_oreoseww.. N901:04
Sicelothey'll just give u a shiny new E701:04
psycho_oreosor even a N801:04
AminCXno no no there is no change warranty in my area ! I'm in the hell here :d01:05
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SiceloAminCX: your n900 isn't dead/bricked, so no need for any warranty related things01:06
psycho_oreosthough at this point in time, he won't have any cellular functionality01:07
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psycho_oreosin other words, his N900 would probably be as good as its predecessors01:07
psycho_oreosAminCX, so what's the progress on flashing it using linux?01:08
AminCXany way it's gonna kill me, imagine a big phone like n900 and a little other one like 1102 in my little pocket ! N900 for awesomeness and other one for using as Phone !01:08
psycho_oreosmore like N900 being an internet tablet rather than a big phone01:09
AminCXi'm downloading latest version of ubuntu,01:09
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psycho_oreosI still don't know why would N900 all of the sudden loses connectivity to the cellular network. It could be anything from a faulty board to maybe dirty contacts or even possibly swapping SIM cards out constantly01:11
AminCXabout phone stuff, everybody wants everything in a little shiny smartphone, and i'm a developer too, so i want a stylish advanced smartphone that do all the stuff like playing calling messaging and programs ...01:11
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Sicelotracker waking up cpu too frequently :(01:12
AminCXi have a theory, there is little battery on the board, is that related to GSM module ? cause i think every time it's out of charge the problem comes up, maybe it's very silly .01:13
psycho_oreosI hate to own a smartphone with a smaller screen.. it seems already I have grown accustomed to N900's screen.. web browsing is already difficult as it is and any downsizing would mean I need to zoom into pages more and more01:13
psycho_oreosno the battery is to keep dates and what not iinm01:13
psycho_oreoskinda like a CMOS battery on a normal computer01:13
Macerthe n900 has a secondary battery for that01:14
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AminCXyeah i know, and i see every time i pull out the battery and put it back it asks me the date/time , but before this problem it saves those things .01:14
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer pointed that out awhile ago, its a small cell battery iinm or cell shaped battery01:15
Macermy old n900s internal battery broke like that01:15
Macerand every time i pulled the battery it would ask for the time01:15
DocScrutinizerbutton cell01:15
psycho_oreoscorrection, button cell shaped :)01:15
AminCXso this is not related event a little ?01:16
psycho_oreostwo of my N900 would constantly ask for date and time even if I momentarily dislodge the main battery.01:16
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psycho_oreosheh hardware hackers like DocScrutinizer would probably know the best ;)01:17
MacerDocScrutinizer: how difficult is replacing it? have to solder?01:17
psycho_oreosor vi___, etc01:17
Maceri am watching enron: smartest guys in the room01:17
Macerthe bandwidth idea was kind of good01:17
DocScrutinizerAminCX: which related event?01:17
Macerthey just didnt do it right01:18
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, something to do with no IMEI and cannot connect to cellular network01:18
psycho_oreoseven the flashing mode (under windows) fails01:18
DocScrutinizerbutton cell backup battery is for realtime clock only01:18
Macerlol. that is a windows problem01:18
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AminCXdo the small battery on the board related anyway to the GSM module, and cause the "all telephony functions are disabled due to ." ?01:19
DocScrutinizerand it'S notorious to break after like 9..12months of normal usage. So psycho_oreos observation is rather normal01:19
psycho_oreosso far most of us are assuming that it is windows problem, but only one way to tell is to get AminCX to flash using linux and to see if flashing also fails01:19
DocScrutinizerAminCX: no01:19
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MacerAminCX: i had the same problem flashing and fixed it by using my linux box01:20
psycho_oreosa few people on tmo board have opted to try and bend their pin contacts on the N900 in a bid to get the SIM card detected but the results came up as mixed, mostly no dice iinm01:21
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psycho_oreosand I really wouldn't know what would cause no IMEI, even if flashing fails to restore it, cmt/cal is probably corrupt01:21
psycho_oreoserr cal01:21
AminCXsure, i'm gonna do that but like i said i'm in the hell and the net line is a little slow here, for about 700MB i have to wait a hour .01:22
psycho_oreosAminCX, you could go for a minimal one lol, you don't need a full blown linux01:22
psycho_oreossurely you'd know that if you been a debian admin01:22
DocScrutinizerno IMEI is basically unrelated to SIM, at least should. Wait a blink....01:22
AminCXits bb5 SLV3 is'nt it ? someone told me you have to buy RPL cause it's crashed and he was so sure !01:23
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SpeedEvilyeah. IMEI is modem01:23
psycho_oreosyeah I also think that IMEI is definitely not related to SIM, its some other area on the device is either not storing or somehow the data is corrupted. IMSI is related to SIM however01:23
DocScrutinizernah, even without any SIM my "about product" shows IMEI01:23
psycho_oreosmy third N900 (without SIM) still shows IMEI, so yeah01:24
AminCXpsycho_oreos: ouch it's 48% past the download :-D01:24
DocScrutinizermissing IMEI usually means your HW is defect01:24
psycho_oreosAminCX, oh well too late now, maybe you can keep that in mind next time01:24
psycho_oreosits funny if its a HW defect, Sicelo mentioned his N900 came without IMEI but he flashed it and IMEI started appearing01:25
AminCXpsycho_oreos: i went to this and i wasn't so curios :-D
psycho_oreosAminCX, there's plenty of other distros out there, like slax, slitaz, puppylinux.. all there to minimise excessive downloads.. sure enough that ubuntu is probably somewhat well condoned here but :)01:26
AminCXsomehow i love ubuntu style in GUI !01:26
* psycho_oreos is reminded about the current ones that feature unity01:26
HyperSnyperanyone know anything of this new 3G method that can "reduce power usage by 74%" is an n900 in pic >
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: usually flashing of cmt FW either works or fails but shouldn't break the IMEI readout. However there might be cases where reflashing COMBINED also reflashes cmt FW and thus fixes some glitch01:27
AminCXabout the imei, i searched almost all of the web about my problems, and believe me there is no straight answer for it !01:27
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ahh nice so I guess it could be the last hope for AminCX then :) in a bid to restore IMEI01:27
Sicelothe imei thing delayed my flashing, lol, as it's needed to download firmware. i was not so sure if sticker on my N900 was legit. i remember i even asked here on chan01:28
DocScrutinizeryou can't rstore IMEI, but you can restore the software on modem that answers your query for IMEI01:28
psycho_oreoswell my bad01:28
AminCXdid i said that i dropped my n900 in the water ? of course on the ground and it was not much water( about 3 millimeters), and after that it was crashed, but after a week it goes well somehow !01:29
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* Sicelo fully agrees with DocScrutinizer. i did full flash.. not really for the imei thing.. just update to pr1.3, and imei 'magically' appeared01:29
psycho_oreosyou should have informed us earlier about that.. maybe the water have damaged the device internally should you have not taken any actions to properly dry the device up01:30
DocScrutinizerAminCX: say goodbye to your modem then01:30
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psycho_oreosif not to your modem, your wireless chipset would fail to work01:30
AminCXno no , i'm pretty sure it's not damaged, it was ok after a week, but suddenly now it's dead :(01:30
psycho_oreostwo tmo threads I've encountered where their N900 were exposed to accidental liquid spills shows up errors with getting wireless to work01:31
AminCXthe wireless chipset is completely ok .01:31
DocScrutinizeryeah sure, because 1 week is simply not enough to dry the device, and corrosion by electrolysis goes on as long as you power the device. Eventually it breaks permanently01:31
psycho_oreosthe bottom line is that as soon as your device was exposed to liquid (even if immersed), you should have quickly acted to properly dry the device up.01:32
psycho_oreosliquids also act as conductors, which can shorten the contacts on the board up when the device is in operation01:33
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DocScrutinizerFIRST THING: remove batery01:33
AminCXi did those things, removed battery rice ....01:33
DocScrutinizerand don't dare to insert it before you dried the device for 2 weeks at a warm place01:33
DocScrutinizerrice is BS01:33
AminCXoh no, just 24 hour and i turned it on .01:34
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psycho_oreossilca gel probably would have worked better but you still need to remove as much moisture as you can with a microfibre cloth01:34
AminCXit was 4 month a go, why now ?!:(01:34
psycho_oreosthe whole N900 needs to be disassembled as well01:35
DocScrutinizersome of the balls of the chips may have suffered from corrosion and now on a random mechanical stress broke completely01:35
AminCXouch, so i have to say goodbye to this one, yes ?01:36
DocScrutinizertry flashing it. if that doesn't help then alas yes, it's dead Jim01:36
psycho_oreosits not fully dead, it'll probably function without cellular connectivity.. maybe over time other functions may cease to act properly01:36
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* psycho_oreos sighs at another dead N900.. poor N90001:37
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AminCXwow, it was so nice for me anyway, any time i needed anything n900 was for me, it was somehow meant for me, anything i needed was always there , in a little beautiful device, hhhhhh......01:38
psycho_oreosyou should have realised that nokia no longer manufactures N900 anymore, so you should protect your N900 even more01:39
psycho_oreosconductive liquids and electronics don't mix01:40
DocScrutinizerdon't say that, see "does it blend"01:40
AminCXno the n900 is just a phone, mine is different for me, memories i have with it is not replacable ! anyway gone is gone.01:41
DocScrutinizerwell, I hope you can make it work again, there'S a small chance it will resurrect on flashing COMBINED01:41
DocScrutinizerrepair shops may try to hot-air resolder all the modem chips01:42
AminCXthank you all for the time you spend for me :) i will try again flashing with linux . and give you the results, after that the only way is repair services, thank you again ;)01:43
DocScrutinizerif you can't get it to full operation, then you might consider selling it to those looking for broken devices, and get yourself another working used one01:43
psycho_oreosbackup your contents if you can01:44
psycho_oreosoh wait nevermind, you've already flashed eMMC01:44
DocScrutinizeroooh problems with flashing as well?01:44
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psycho_oreosyeah he had issues flashing the COMBINED01:44
DocScrutinizerlog please01:45
AminCXyeah i'm a little disappointed here, but i will not loose my hope :)01:45
DocScrutinizerAminCX: you can still use the device?01:46
DocScrutinizerlike - get a xterm?01:46
AminCXyes i can, it's on.01:46
AminCXyes i can .01:46
DocScrutinizerdo you have rootsh installed?01:46
AminCXnot yet, i just flashed it .01:46
DocScrutinizercould you install rootsh?01:46
Sicelowhat's that AminCX?01:48
AminCXflashing log ?01:48
DocScrutinizerAminCX: please try the global version, local versions are known to sometimes cause exactly the problems you are facing, I.E. fsckup modem01:49
AminCXin hang on this line :Finishing flashing... done01:49
AminCXi'm on it01:49
DocScrutinizeresp the US version, dunno what your 003 version is01:50
* Sicelo is curious to know what DocScrutinizer suggests after 'rootsh'01:50
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psycho_oreosor you could just enable R&D and use sudo gainroot01:52
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psycho_oreosthat's if you ran linux and used linux flasher :D01:52
Sicelobtw what is imei there? i only remember +cimi01:52
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DocScrutinizerati1 ;-)01:53
AminCXjust in 20 minutes the ubuntu will run .01:53
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DocScrutinizeror AT+CGSN01:55
DocScrutinizerGet Serial Nuimber01:56
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Siceloah, yeah, that's the one i'm more familiar with :P01:56
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DocScrutinizeratiN are funny01:56
DocScrutinizerati2 esp01:57
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Sicelowhat does it do?01:57
SpeedEvilIt reports info about the modem.01:57
SpeedEvilIncluding the text of your last phonecalls.01:57
DocScrutinizeryep, I like Info01:57
SpeedEvil(not really)01:57
DocScrutinizerATI is ancient basics, ATI2 etc extended01:58
Sicelowow.. nice. (nothing about phone calls though)01:58
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DocScrutinizerthere's ATI(0),1,2,3 the rest is null functions on this modem01:59
DocScrutinizer(though I haven't tested all possible 256)02:00
Sicelowhat is recommended way to exit?02:00
DocScrutinizerpnatd? there's none ;-P02:00
DocScrutinizerclose shell02:01
DocScrutinizeror kill pnatd02:01
DocScrutinizerfrom a second shell02:01
Sicelook. just remembered that minicom can do funny things if not exited correctly02:01
DocScrutinizerpnatd is a fake serial connection, or no serial connection at all02:02
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Sicelothis is only my second time using pnatd. first time was when u heleped someone set auto-answer, lol02:03
infobotSicelo meant: this is only my second time using pnatd. first time was when u helped someone set auto-answer, lol02:04
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AminCXwell i have root now02:16
DocScrutinizerI helped smeone to set autoanswer? where? I just posted a general "howto" on tmo lately02:17
DocScrutinizerAminCX: start pnatd02:17
AminCXi cant type in it !02:17
DocScrutinizerin pnatd?02:18
AminCXafter pnatd02:18
AminCXi can't insert anything to xterm .02:18
DocScrutinizerseems to indicate your modem is dead02:18
SpeedEvilIt may simply be powered off02:18
SpeedEvilI'm unsure what happens in that case02:18
DocScrutinizerlemme test02:18
AminCXis it software or hardware ? how can i be sure ?02:20
DocScrutinizerhmmm, seems I have no idea how to "switch off modem"02:20
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DocScrutinizeroffline mode has no impact02:20
SpeedEvilI suspect pnatd fakes quite a lot02:21
DocScrutinizerat least it doesn't fake basic entering of AT02:21
DocScrutinizersee AminCX ^^^02:21
AminCXsee what ?02:22
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil shall notice that your pnatd refuses to accept AT<enter>02:22
DocScrutinizeranyway, try typing it blind02:23
SpeedEvilI can't at the moment - n900 is powered off and charging in another room02:23
AminCXi'm typing AT now02:23
SpeedEvilWll - I can - but I'm not feeling up to getting it.02:23
AminCXwell enetered, nothing02:23
DocScrutinizerI am not aware of any method to reach that state with "normal means"02:24
DocScrutinizerreflash with global COMBINED02:24
SpeedEvilreboot, and try again02:24
SpeedEvilotherwise, that02:24
AminCX100% (185728 of 0 kB, avg. 185728 kB/s)02:26
AminCXFinishing flashing... done02:26
AminCXi'm waiting for the end, how much it takes in normal ?02:26
nox-i wonder if it tries to flash the modem fw and fails...02:27
* SpeedEvil wishes he had a proper n900 schematic.02:27
SpeedEvil+ docs and design details.02:27
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DocScrutinizerwhat's missing?02:28
AminCXtalking about me ?02:28
AminCXi already opened it and i know the n220002:28
SpeedEvilChances of databooks for Rapuyama... seem quite small.02:28
DocScrutinizerooh yes02:28
AminCXi just cleared it with the spray02:29
DocScrutinizerAminCX: you flashed global COMBINED?02:29
AminCXjust for testing02:29
AminCXits still on the line : Finishing flashing... done02:29
DocScrutinizerit failed again?02:29
AminCXits still on the line : Finishing flashing... done, last time it took almost half a hour and nothing .02:30
DocScrutinizeryeah, it usually doesn't take more than 2 or 3 minutes02:31
SpeedEvilFrom memory, it returns in under 30s02:31
SpeedEvilIt's been ages since I flashed though02:31
AminCXso i have to stop it ?02:31
DocScrutinizerI'm afraid a second reflash won't do any better02:32
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AminCXhow about second emmc flash ?02:32
DocScrutinizerno effect02:32
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AminCXold version ?02:33
DocScrutinizerbut hey, you got nothing to lose02:33
AminCXok .02:33
AminCXvanilla flashing is going on .02:34
AminCXcan i turned it up after vanilla flashing completed or as the pattern said i have to do the combined ?02:35
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AminCXImage(s) flashed successfully in 42.125 s (5724 kB/s)!02:35
DocScrutinizeryou could try coldflashing cmt, but that'S sth nobody ever has done afaik02:35
DocScrutinizerso it's pretty unclear how that shall work on a working devie02:36
AminCXcould you please give me the command lines for that ?02:36
DocScrutinizermust be related to:02:36
DocScrutinizer  --cmt-2nd <arg>         Location of CMT FIASCO 2nd image02:36
DocScrutinizer  --cmt-algo <arg>        Location of CMT FIASCO algorithm image02:36
DocScrutinizer  --cmt-mcusw <arg>       Location of CMT FIASCO MCUSW image02:37
DocScrutinizerbut as said above, I dunno how that should actually get accomplished02:38
DocScrutinizerand odds that it would work and fix your problem are minimal, like 1/1000002:38
AminCXas you said i have NOTHING to loose :(02:39
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AminCXdon't you have anything in mind about how to figure out that is it hardware or software ?02:39
DocScrutinizerwhen flashing doesn't work all odds are it's HW02:40
AminCXby the way done EMMC and combined and no result like before .02:40
DocScrutinizercoldflashing the main processor works with >>--cold-flash, -c        "Cold flash" the device<<, I don't find a matching --cmt-cold-flash though02:41
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DocScrutinizerget device to BNokia repair shop, tell them you won't accept a swap for another model02:42
DocScrutinizeror try disassembling the device and rinsing it with 99% ethanol/methanol/isopropyl02:44
DocScrutinizeractually I'm short of really good ideas how to help any further02:44
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AminCXit's so risky, i will try the one, if it was software i was gonna do anything but hardware :(02:45
AminCXand for the record i opened up the device twice, and the last time i sprayed and checked the antenna connectors and pulled them up and did other things, it was ok after that! but 8 or 10 hour later the error aperas . so i think it is definitly hardware .02:47
SpeedEvilAntenna is a red-herring.02:47
SpeedEvilIt sounds like you've got a cracked ball, or a broken track or something.02:48
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SpeedEvilFlexing the PCB, or in principle, reflowing the chip - may make it better temporarily or permenantly02:48
DocScrutinizeror worse ;-)02:48
SpeedEvilWell - it's hard for the modem to get worse02:49
SpeedEvilBut yes.02:49
AminCXouch ! but i don't know what exactly did it right ! i just played with the board !02:49
DocScrutinizerbut yeah, gently(!) pushing on the PCB while booting up may show it works which proves it's a solder defect02:49
SpeedEvilWhat we really need is for someone to make a thin module that can fit on the existing solder-pads, after teh chips are cleaned off, and has a more modern modem. :)02:50
AminCXif i knew more about electronics maybe i was going to put heater on the IC's but i don't actually .02:51
AminCXit's too bad to be in the hell, i can't event find an authorized repair service. anyway i'm gonna give it up and go for an unauthorized repair service .02:53
AminCXanyway thank you guys for helping me here . it was my last chance to repair it my self . :-)02:54
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AminCXa little sleepy it's 4:26 AM in here. well i'm going to sleep, and for those who thinking about hell, hell is here in my country, IRAN, goodnight .02:58
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luke-jrso my N900 decided to stop working on cellular … :/03:06
luke-jrhow can I debug it?03:06
luke-jrGPRS6 specifically03:06
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SpeedEvilAll cellular?03:07
luke-jrI only have GPRS603:08
bindihow can I change the menu background visibility?03:08
bindiits like 100% now and I can't see the white text of the icons03:08
luke-jrsince my Gentoo partition got corrupt-dead, I can't even try stracing crap03:09
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bindican anyone report a bug for me? if it's not already reported03:15
bindiit's been 3 months since i spotted this though03:15
bindibugtracker needs login, don't have an account :> and can't find a way to email this guy03:15
bindianyway, camera lens launcher doesn't launch BlessN900 when set to preferred application :F03:15
bindiworks with the popup menu though03:15
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luke-jrbindi: report your own bugs. not like they'll ever get fixed.03:19
bindijust said i don't have an account and don't bother to create one :p03:19
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Anita1hello, I have a question. I want to update my CSSU, but I get an error, hildon-desktop conflicting. It says it depends hildon-desktop (>=1:2.2.142-16) but 1:2.2.142-14 to be installed03:38
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merlin1991Anita1: from where to where do you want to update?03:41
Anita1trying to update to latest one that appears on FAM03:42
Anita1from where, let me check03:42
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Anita1trying to update to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo103:43
merlin1991apt-cache policy hildon-desktop03:43
Anita1done, waiting to finish the job03:44
merlin1991I meant tell me what it says03:44
merlin1991that command just displays a lil stuff03:45
Anita1yep, just got output03:45
Anita1installed : 1:2.2.142-1403:45
merlin1991and the candidates line?03:46
Anita1hmm. wait. this will get some longer than I think, by typing it manually03:46
merlin1991uh oh03:46
merlin1991Anita1: mine looks like, but I'm on stable03:47
Anita1thanks for the stable version btw, great effort :) thanks to all supporters of CSSU :)03:47
merlin1991do you really have no candidate line?03:47
Anita1I have Candidate: (none)03:47
merlin1991is the cssu repo still active?03:47
Anita1must be so, let me check.03:48
Anita1yep, I see a green dot next to CSSU repo03:48
Anita1url is , right?03:48
merlin1991do you have modified hildon-desktop installed for some odd reason?03:48
merlin1991yep that url is right03:49
Anita1I had, in past, but I don't know when I did flash last time.03:49
LaoLang_coolscrolling to top/bottom is a pain when at a long list...03:49
merlin1991just do apt-cache policy modified-hildon-desktop03:49
Anita1tried to remove modified-hildon-desktop but says there's nothing like that installed.03:49
Anita1installed: none03:50
Anita1candidate: none03:50
merlin1991anything in /etc/apt/preferences ?03:50
Anita1package: hildon-desktop03:51
Anita1pin: release a=unstable03:51
Anita1pin-priority: 100103:51
Anita1that's all.03:51
merlin1991nuke that and try again03:51
Anita1I didn't see any info for this problem at wiki page, my search didn't give any result also. okay, got it :)03:53
Anita1downloading 20k kb data now. :)03:53
merlin1991you practically pinned hildon-desktop to something that doesn't exist with a priority that nukes any installation of another hildon-desktop03:54
Anita1thanks! :) is there any profile switcher widget anyway, have to change profiles so often, doing it from menu can be pain sometimes03:54
merlin1991so far, I think someone was working on ne but dunno03:55
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: ping03:55
merlin1991s/so far/so far not/03:55
Anita1yeah, I couldn't update to one that was before this release03:55
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: pong03:56
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I remember you posting that thread about profile switching research, got it still handy somewhere?03:56
DocScrutinizerugh, sorry nope03:57
DocScrutinizerI started that thread? the it is simple as I started few03:57
Anita1I think I saw something like my need on my-maemo or sth like that. But it wasn't filling my need completely..03:57
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I think I joined in to some rant about tweakr etc04:00
DocScrutinizerit has been mentioned on MWKN04:00
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DocScrutinizerCSSU thread ;-P04:05
merlin1991you mean that abdomination of a general purpouse forum inside a thread thing?04:07
infobotmerlin1991 meant: you mean that abdomination of a general purpose forum inside a thread thing?04:07
merlin1991dang I need my 2nd n90004:08
merlin1991it's shipping from the us and should be here by now :/04:08
merlin1991can't go and talk about stable/not stabale testing components if I can't even run testing ffs04:08
DocScrutinizeranyway, regarding profiles, I seem to start recalling a few details, so what do you wanna know?04:08
merlin1991I was only wondering how far people got with it04:09
DocScrutinizerseems it stalled, like so many things04:09
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: any idea how to debug the network thing in Maemo5?04:09
DocScrutinizertoo few parameters, doesn't compute04:10
merlin1991the cssu stable announce gave me an insane posts to thanks ratio xD04:10
SpeedEvilThe thanks are a lie!04:11
merlin1991SpeedEvil: are they like cake?04:11
DocScrutinizerI once was beyond 6 thanks / post. not anymore though04:11
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: GPRS6 stopped working. How do I find out why? :p04:11
SpeedEvilWhat is GPRS6?04:12
SpeedEvilA provider?04:12
DocScrutinizera typo04:12
merlin1991currently at 17 posts to 109 thanks :P04:12
luke-jrSpeedEvil: a network type04:12
luke-jrSpeedEvil: GPRS with IPv604:12
SpeedEvilDoes GPRS/2G work?04:12
luke-jrSpeedEvil: not sure it's supposed to04:13
* luke-jr tries04:13
DocScrutinizerhardcore network tools like e.g. ping, to interface, via IPv6?04:13
merlin1991MohammadAG: your media player thread has 666 posts04:13
luke-jrblah, no signal inside…04:14
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: no good when the network applet refuses to connect04:14
DocScrutinizerI never knew maemo would support native IPv604:14
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: me either until I had to reflash it :o04:15
DocScrutinizerwell, refusal to connect seems rather unrelated to IVvX04:15
luke-jrweird thing I noticed too: on wifi, it doesn't do IPv604:15
luke-jrthere's a link-local v6 on wifi, but no WAN04:17
DocScrutinizersorry, no idea about all this04:17
DocScrutinizerI admit I rarely ever looked into IPv604:17
DocScrutinizerso I know a few basics, but no experience04:18
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* SpeedEvil argues for IPv3. 04:18
SpeedEvilThere are too many people on the internet.04:18
Anita1btw, I have one more issue. When I reboot, I can't connect anything-nothing shows up. I had set it to unload wifi drivers when it boots. When I click to load wifi driver, it turns to normal, then I can see GPRS and wifi connections. After I click to unload wifi driver again, everything is normal, can't see wifi connections but GPRS ones. At the beginning I don't see any of them.04:19
luke-jrGPRS[4] works fine04:19
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DocScrutinizer>>I had set it to unload wifi drivers when it boots.<< errr what?04:20
Anita1via a program, that sits above orientation lock :)04:21
Anita1I suspect that causes trouble though.04:21
luke-jrgreat, now wifi no work either04:23
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DocScrutinizerre profiles widget: I think you could get a few queenbeecon buttons to send dbus profile-switch cmds. If that works then the dbus cmd shall be in wiki phone-control04:24
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luke-jrwhat would I strace for network applet? :|04:26
DocScrutinizerICD2 ?04:26
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luke-jrit seems to just tell something else to do it over dbus :|04:27
DocScrutinizerask jonwil, he looked into that stuff recently04:28
luke-jrjonwil, wil thou help me? :P04:28
* luke-jr wonders if a cold reboot would help04:28
DocScrutinizercoldboot sometimes helps wonders04:29
jonwilhmmm, I dont know anything about the GPRS plugin04:29
DocScrutinizer<luke-jr> what would I strace for network applet?04:29
Anita1will dig some info for queenbeecon now. Never had it on my n900 :o04:29
jonwilicd2 is what actually does the work of connecting and disconnecting04:30
DocScrutinizerAnita1: first check if profiles actually can get switched via dbus04:30
jonwilBest place to start is dbus04:30
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jonwiluse dbus-monitor to log what the network switcher applet sends to icd204:31
luke-jrthere's a long pause after 'before QuickConnect'04:31
jonwilif you can find that, I can possibly find out more about what icd2 does with those dbus calls04:31
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luke-jrQuickConnect failed ((null)): Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.04:32
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DocScrutinizerAnita1: I prefer desktop execution widget, QB is way too oversophisticated04:33
DocScrutinizerAnita1: actually it took me 30min to set up a button on QB, while same thing on DEW takes 30s to set up04:33
Anita1it worked, nice. :)04:34
Anita1have you got any idea for connections issue btw?04:34
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Anita1the load unload thing that I told04:35
DocScrutinizerI have no clue what you even meant by your statement I quoted04:35
DocScrutinizernever heard of unloading something on boot04:36
Anita1not on the boot actually04:36
Anita1when it cames to desktop04:36
luke-jr"Service option not subscribed"04:36
DocScrutinizerwhat for?04:36
Anita1couldn't tell it in english, lol.04:36
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DocScrutinizerI never thought about unloading any connection driver or sth04:37
Anita1can someone explain wth is "cames". it is 4.37am here, my brain a lil bit juicy.04:37
DocScrutinizerAnita1: I dunno what you do and esp WHY04:38
Anita1well, it was for the radiation, plus battery saving idea.04:38
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DocScrutinizerWLAN gets switched off by unloading the wl1251.ko module04:39
DocScrutinizerbut ICD2 does that for you04:39
Anita1I nearly don't use wifi on n900, so choose to unload it04:39
DocScrutinizerthere's been a short while where it didn't, somewhere shortly after PR1.0.1 or sth04:39
Anita1the program that I mentioned was advanced interface switcher04:40
DocScrutinizerwhich caused the bug of "battery drains like hell when WLAN not associated to AP04:40
psycho_oreosyou could probably also blacklist wl12{xx,51} module so that it would not get loaded at subsequent bootups04:41
Anita1for wlan, I removed the tick for enable on startup. thats all.04:41
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: that's a funny idea, but not really useful04:41
DocScrutinizersimply disable WLAN all together04:41
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, not at all but heck, someone wants to save power then that's one of the more extreme measures :D04:42
Anita1what you mean, disable wlan all together? does AIS not do it?04:42
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: as mentioned before, ICD2 unloads that module every 5 minutes when you said "check for wlan availability interval: 5min"04:43
DocScrutinizerwhen you disable WLAN then the module never gets loaded04:43
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ahh I didn't know that, I thought ICD2 would not do something like iwlist wlan0 scan every 5 or minutes interval04:43
DocScrutinizerAnita1: that function in this AIS app is cruft04:44
psycho_oreosI don't use AIS so I wouldn't know04:44
DocScrutinizerme neither04:44
psycho_oreosplus I hardly ever had the need to disable wireless because I use it almost every time04:44
Anita1hm. that looked handy for me actually, pity it is not much effective then04:45
DocScrutinizerwhat I know however is my syslog that shows module and iw1251 firmware loading logs every 10 min04:45
psycho_oreosthere are plenty of ways to save battery power.. stuff like autodisconnect and setting brightness levels down to minimum, etc helps04:46
psycho_oreoseven lower backlight timeout04:46
DocScrutinizerso simply uncheck the "automatically switch to WLAN if available" checkbox in settings->internet and all is fine04:47
SpeedEvilBacklight - on the lower levels - is almost unimportant - the screen being on uses lots of power04:48
DocScrutinizerauto-disconnect is quite questionable as well04:48
psycho_oreosprobably also change the connect automatically to `always ask' as well04:48
* luke-jr wonders why monitor mode can't sniff 3-4 channels at the same time04:48
SpeedEvilluke-jr: Hardware limits.04:48
SpeedEvilOr firmware.04:48
psycho_oreosthat's because the wireless only has one radio04:48
luke-jrSpeedEvil: but the channels overlap :|04:48
SpeedEvilluke-jr: You can hear 4 people at once.04:48
SpeedEvilluke-jr: And pay attention to one of them.04:49
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SpeedEvilluke-jr: Now, why can't you pay attention to all of them speaking at once?04:49
luke-jrSpeedEvil: I can04:49
Anita1my brightness level is at 2, I don't stay connected when it is not needed, also lock screen when out of use, no need to lower timeout.04:49
SpeedEvilluke-jr: Not and understand multiple people saying different things at the same time.04:49
DocScrutinizerdifficult for 2, impossible for 404:50
psycho_oreosI've mine set to one and almost always using 2.5G instead of 304:50
Anita1<DocScrutinizer> ; still same here. enabled wifi on startup, did a cold boot and still same.04:50
DocScrutinizersometimes I train my brain by intentionally listening to 2 convos04:50
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luke-jrok, I admit I probably can't do 4…04:50
Anita1<DocScrutinizer> ; Booted, clicked opera, clicked a webpage, it directly said connection error, not even asking which connection to choose04:51
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DocScrutinizerAnita1: uninstall this AIS cruft04:51
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Anita1noooooooooooooo :'(04:51
Anita1damn, ok.04:51
DocScrutinizerit sounds like a very poorly designed app to me04:52
luke-jrthere's no way that radio interferance could break only IPv6, right?04:52
DocScrutinizerit's using deprecated or obsolete methods to cure problems that are dead since long time04:52
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: right04:52
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: but since a lot of the TCP/IP stack for GSM is inside the modem, I can only guess what might go wrong when trying to use IPv& over cellular04:53
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: it was working fine before today04:54
DocScrutinizerso maybe your carrier messed up things today?04:54
DocScrutinizerwho knows04:54
luke-jrmaybe. I emailed them.04:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: you on Diaspora btw?04:55
DocScrutinizerI had the problem 2G didn't work for 1 week. Then I rebooted ;-P04:55
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: nfc what you're saying04:55
DocScrutinizerso probably I'm not04:56
pabs3Diaspora is like Facebook but open source and federated04:56
DocScrutinizerplease help me out - what for was that facebook thing again? I only know I won't touch it with a 10 ft pole04:57
luke-jrcold boot didn't help04:57
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: it's like slow IRC04:58
psycho_oreosmore like a perverted version of tmo04:58
DocScrutinizermhm, well I got fast IRC04:59
psycho_oreosthere's no thanks! button, there's only like button04:59
DocScrutinizerand I try to avoid tmo as much as possible04:59
pabs3whats wrong with tmo?04:59
merlin1991lmao fb == perverted tmo04:59
infobottmo is probably, or trolls, morons, oxes04:59
merlin1991and no fb is not framebuffer ;)05:00
infobotit has been said that cssu is
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Anita1<DocScrutinizer> ; I managed to do it via desktop command execution widget, profile widget ;)05:00
* luke-jr emerge tcpdump05:01
merlin1991dang, there goes that chance05:01
luke-jrinfobot: worldpeace is found only in Jesus Christ05:01
infobotluke-jr: okay05:01
infobotfrom memory, worldpeace is found only in Jesus Christ05:01
luke-jrmerlin1991: fixed05:01
LaoLang_coolmypaint is very slow...05:01
LaoLang_coolAny other app recommended?05:01
luke-jrKolourPaint perhaps05:02
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: even bloat I think!05:02
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: any tips on avoiding the USB port breaking btw?05:02
LaoLang_coolluke-jr: will have a try, thank you05:02
infobotFixate receptacle like this: - get the form there for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<<05:02
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DocScrutinizerwtf, how often I fixed that crap??05:03
infobot[usbfix] - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)05:03
LaoLang_coolno search result with krita and KolourPaint :(05:03
DocScrutinizer~forget usb-fix05:03
infoboti forgot usb-fix, DocScrutinizer05:03
DocScrutinizer~usb-fix is <reply>see usbfix05:04
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05:04
infobotrumour has it, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)05:04
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luke-jrso which solution is safest? :\05:07
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Anita1<DocScrutinizer> ; I did it ;) working flawlessly. ;)05:09
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ^^^05:09
DocScrutinizerAnita1: the last one was about connections05:10
DocScrutinizernot about profiles05:10
Anita1ah, ok then, I'm all ears.05:10
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Anita1"If "boolean:true" at the end, one-line notification saying "No saved connections available" appears. Maybe affects more than that? Most likely, boolean:true leads to using saved connections if there are any, and boolean:false forces to display the connection dialog. "05:14
Anita1"Connect (show change connection UI)05:14
Anita1dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/icd_ui boolean:false05:14
Anita1I only see these related05:15
DocScrutinizeryeah, it's not as helpful as I thought05:16
Anita1uninstalled and it is still not connecting anything. great. will try dbus command now.05:16
* DocScrutinizer blames self to not have added the "switch >use wifi if available< dbus cmd"05:17
DocScrutinizerAnita1: this app might have seiously messed up your data accounts05:18
Anita1data accounts?05:20
DocScrutinizerinternet connections05:20
Anita1tried the dbus command, connection dialog pops up, says there's no connection, my GPRS connection is not in the list.05:21
DocScrutinizerthe data sets describing ways to access internet for the ICD2 connection manager05:21
Anita1I see the light. The light of re-flash.05:22
DocScrutinizergo to settings->internet->connections. See if you can tidy up your GPRS connection there05:22
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Anita1there's nothing wrong there.05:23
DocScrutinizersomething with the guts of ICD2 is messed up05:23
Anita1Let me try to explain again, if I try to connect just after startup nothing happens, can't even choose which connection to use. But if I load wifi driver, then everything is ok, can unload wifi after that, it is just as to be.05:24
Anita1have to install AIS again, have no internet connection. great =)05:25
DocScrutinizerwell, wifi driver is not supposed to get unloaded by any non-osso random app05:26
DocScrutinizerso obviously AIS messed up a lot of things05:26
DocScrutinizerin a mission to do things that are not really needed or would make any sense at all05:26
DocScrutinizerseems AIS should get kicked from extras if it's there05:28
Anita1can be another thing that causes this too, I don't know when it started05:29
Anita1well, I have a non-connectable n900 now. Any idea?05:30
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Anita1need the deb file, only way out here I see. How to get the deb file then?05:33
DocScrutinizerwhat a shitty app that breaks connectivity so badly on simple uninstalling05:36
DocScrutinizerAnita1: copy to phone via mass storage mode05:38
DocScrutinizerunless that'S broken now as well ;-P05:39
Anita1the problem is not leaving user desperate for connections, problem is itself, messing up things about connections which is critical for N90005:39
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Anita1yeah. back in action now.05:39
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Anita1I'm afraid I'll use it as it is now. Not even have time to report the bug :S it is 5.40am here, must sleep some time, after that need to study SOME time, damn.05:40
Anita1can you do it for me Doc?05:41
DocScrutinizeroh well, was like 14 months ago. around that time there might have been an excuse to unload wl1251 driver05:41
DocScrutinizerdo what, kick that devel'05:41
DocScrutinizers ass about it?05:41
Anita1lol, it is up to you05:42
Anita1it is handy actually05:42
Anita1pity it caused some trouble05:42
Anita1can you raise a bug for this app?05:42
DocScrutinizerthere have been other apps that did something pretty useful but alas the wrong way. Sometimes devels are interested, sometimes not05:43
Anita1ok now it refuses to open settings window. truly buggy app.05:44
DocScrutinizerin this case I would need to install the crappy app to get to know what it does and how it does that, or I had to study the friggin sourcecode to the last line. Can't see any of both happening in the near future05:44
Anita1well, gotta go now. Thanks for all your help :)05:45
Anita1this app has an developer, right?05:45
DocScrutinizergood luck, and consider an occasional reflash05:45
Anita1simply sending a message should bring him to duty :p05:45
DocScrutinizerKirill Plyashkevich05:45
Anita1yeah, I'll do reflash, but 1 week later05:46
Anita1see you next time, bye :)05:46
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DocScrutinizerwit a proper backup to re-install all or most of your apps, a reflash is painless05:46
* DocScrutinizer waves05:46
DocScrutinizer(or most) not AIS though :-P05:48
* DocScrutinizer can do one thing though05:52
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DocScrutinizerbtw since when do pkgs need only 6 promotes (thunbs up)? and isn't there or should there be a rule that maintainers can not vote for their own pkgs? it's silly06:04
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DocScrutinizerand pretentious06:05
DocScrutinizerand this friggin interface could need some maintenance - it takes like 120s after clicking "send" on a comment, and if you dare to click again during that time where page is in reload limbo, the commet gets sent multiple times :-S06:08
DocScrutinizerseems like that happened to me 3 or 4 times during last 18 months, so you'd think a) I could finally learn NOT to click again, and b) somebody could finally have fixed that issue06:09
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DocScrutinizermeego:290 users, #maemo:294 users07:34
psycho_oreosloads more loyal nokia tablet users than a mixture of various devices conglomerated users ;)07:38
DocScrutinizer#meego-handset was awesome: no post since >>one month07:39
DocScrutinizerclosed that tab for good now07:39
* wiretapped pines for the 770 days07:43
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LaoLang_coolHow to you copy a contact's cell phone? go to the contact then edit it, then copy the phone?10:13
LaoLang_coolToo much steps involved10:13
BluesLeeLaoLang_cool: on n9 or n900?10:13
LaoLang_coolBluesLee: N90010:13
BluesLeethe n900 has the advantage that it can import/export contacts as *vcf10:14
LaoLang_coolSometimes I want to copy the contact's phone number from the interface of sms or phone, but I can't find a way10:14
BluesLeeah okay10:14
LaoLang_coolBluesLee: oh, you misunderstood me10:14
BluesLeein that cases you can click the number and it asks you if you want to add it to your contacts10:15
BluesLeeresp add/merge10:15
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LaoLang_coolBluesLee: no the options you mentioned, it has a option to open the contact card, but will let you call/sms to the contact, no add/merge, in sms GUI10:17
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LaoLang_cooloh, maybe the contact has been added as my friend10:20
LaoLang_coolI want to copy my friend's phone number, then use it in other where.10:21
LaoLang_coolThe only way I find is to go to the edit gui of contacts then copy the number....10:21
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totalizatorhow can I browse main menu with pages instead of scroll? I've seen it somewhere, can't remember where11:26
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dm8tbrI think it was some app that you can install11:26
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corecodei'm trying to get the harmattan sdk to run on my machine11:40
corecodebut xephyr stays empty11:41
corecodeany idea what this could be?11:41
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freemangordon~seen jonwil11:45
infobotjonwil is currently on #maemo (15m 38s) #meego (15m 38s) #openmoko-cdevel (15m 38s), last said: 'if you can find that, I can possibly find out more about what icd2 does with those dbus calls'.11:45
* jonwil is here11:45
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freemangordonjonwil, look here
freemangordonthose are (almost) fully working11:45
freemangordonincluding portrait stuff11:46
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jonwilI already saw that11:46
jonwilthey are ok but very limited11:46
jonwildont do any of the special stuff libhildon-im-vkbrenderer does11:46
freemangordonand here
freemangordonwhy limited?11:47
freemangordonI mean those are working examples11:47
jonwillimited because they dont do the fancy stuff libhildon-im-vkbrenderer does11:47
freemangordoninstead of RE vkb-renderer, I think we can just re-write th functionality in in.11:47
freemangordonwhich one?11:48
freemangordonwhat is that fancy stuff11:48
jonwilnot 100% sure11:48
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freemangordondictionary search is not in vkb-renderer11:48
freemangordonwhat needs to be done is an implementation of .vkb parser11:49
jonwilyeah if/when I clone that renderer I will use bits of code from hildon-input-method-plugins-examle11:50
jonwilthere is more in the vkb files than you think11:50
freemangordonwhich we already have in python11:50
jonwilbest way to do vkb is to just use libimlayouts directly11:50
jonwilI have a .h file for that11:50
freemangordonI know what is in .vkb files, trust me on that11:50
jonwilI also know11:50
jonwilthe main thing hildon-input-method-plugins-example is missing are things to handle the correct key size and position and margin stuff from the vkb files11:51
freemangordonso, what it is so special? layouts for two modes plus layout for keyboard which appear when you press blue arrow - sym11:52
freemangordonbtw .vkb files has support for portrait AFAIK11:52
jonwilI need to dig back into hildon-im-vkbrenderer a bit more to see what funky bits it does11:53
freemangordonwhy, if I remember correctly button/font sizes are written in .vkb file itself, no need for calculations11:53
jonwilyes they are11:53
jonwilbut hildon-input-method-plugins-example doesnt do anything with them11:54
freemangordonof course they don't :) .11:54
jonwilso the logic for parsing that data and computing exact position of where to draw needs to be written11:54
freemangordonbut it is not a rocket science11:54
freemangordonwe have a python code already doing that11:54
freemangordonalmost that.11:55
jonwilalso, hildon-input-method-plugins-example plugs in at a much higher level than libhildon-im-vkbrenderer11:55
jonwiltrust me, hildon-input-method-plugins-example is good and has some stuff we can pinch11:56
jonwilbut its not the magic bullet you seem to think it is11:56
freemangordonI don't think it is a magic bullet11:56
jonwilnot if we want to be feature complete with libhildon-im-vkbrenderer11:56
jonwilanyhow, I plan to dig into libhildon-im-vkbrenderer soon11:56
freemangordonand vkb-renderer stuf has to be implementd11:56
jonwiland finish my work on it11:56
freemangordonbut no need to RE it11:56
jonwilor continue11:56
freemangordonjust re-implement the functionality11:57
jonwilI already have most of it reverse engineered anyway11:57
freemangordonwow, why didn't you tell me that yesterday when i said I am going to RE it11:57
jonwilwell I dont have it reverse enginereed, I just have it mostly layed out in IDA :P11:58
freemangordonwhich binary are you using arm or 38611:58
freemangordonand does your IDA have c pseudocode analyser?11:59
jonwilx86 is easier to reverse engineer than ARM11:59
jonwiland yes I have hexrays :)11:59
freemangordonyeah, i know :)11:59
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Macerget arm hexrays12:20
freemangordonwhy, x86 assembler is easier than arm (or at least better known)12:22
jonwilI would get arm hexrays if I could afford the thousands of dollars it costs :P12:22
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AminCXhi there, what is the connection between GPS and GSM Module ? both are not working.12:25
jonwilGPS is handled by the cell modem on the N90012:25
jonwilthere is code on the main CPU that talks to the cell modem GPS logic12:26
LaoLang_coolGPS is really really slow here, in the case of without the asistance of networking12:26
AminCXi can enable and disable the location on settings but there is no satellite icon on the top, and phone functionality is neither working . and i failed flashing and it was still on the line flashing done ... and no CMT flashed successful message .12:29
AminCXso what is it ? the hardware or the software ? (N900)12:29
jonwilIf flashing is failing, that suggests a hardware problem12:30
AminCXmaybe the power problem ? and i have to say that month ago i dropped it to the water(a little water on the ground) .12:31
AminCXso how can i test that if it's a hardware problem and both modules are dead or off ?12:32
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MacerThere are no native land mammals on St Helena, but rabbits, rats and mice have been introduced, as well as feral cats and dogs.12:39
Macerno native mammals... that's crazy :)12:40
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MacerAs a result, the string tree (Acalypha rubrinervis) and the St Helena olive (Nesiota elliptica) are now extinct, and many of the other endemic plants are threatened with extinction.12:41
Macergreat.. guess no st helena martini for me ever again. damn humans.12:41
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LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: thanks to introduce the script of searching contacts on, if I need to search contact by cellphone number, how to modify the script? if c.get_property("cellphone") == options.nick_name: ?13:14
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* jonwil has decided to abandon plans to work on Nokia Maps stuff, the Nokia Maps binary blobs are just too complex to figure out14:53
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SpeedEvilSuspected so.14:57
jacekowskiare you talking about n900 nokia maps?14:57
cityLightsis there a way to balance the n900 volume on each ear?14:57
jonwilN900 nokia maps blobs14:57
jacekowskicityLights: it should be same by default14:58
LaoLang_coolhi, what's the name of "get started"? I want to purge it from n90014:58
cityLightssuppose i want to test each ear?14:58
SpeedEvilwelcome-tutorial LaoLang_cool?14:59
LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: dpkg-query --list | grep welcome doesn't show it...15:00
jonwilits called osso-startup-wizard15:01
jonwilthats the one that sets the time and language and stuff on first start15:02
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jonwiloh and I finally got my N900 to join my WiFi network with wireless security turned ON15:02
LaoLang_cooljonwil: oh, I need the startup-wizard15:02
jonwilwhat is it you want to remove then?15:03
LaoLang_cooljonwil: click the `get started' will launch a video of the introduce to N90015:05
Palijonwil: I added slovak sk_SK language to /usr/share/osso-startup-wizard/ but not working15:05
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Palistartup wizard does not see it15:05
jonwiloh that one is tutorial-home-applet15:06
jonwilhmmm, I dont know then pali15:06
PaliI used strings to see that is in that nokia binary15:06
Palibut I do not see hardcoded languages...15:06
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Paliit must be loaded from other config/binary file15:07
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jonwilsearching my n900 file dump now looking for references to de_DE (one of the stock languages)15:08
LaoLang_cooljonwil: that's it, thanks. Can osso-tutorial* be removed safely?15:08
jonwilits not osso-tutorial15:08
Paliyes, here are 4 langs:  de_DE, es_ES, fr_FR, pt_PT15:09
jonwilits tutorial-home-applet15:09
LaoLang_cooljonwil: yes, I've removed it, I also find there are pkgs named osso-tutorial*15:09
Palibut osso-startup-wizzard always show me cs_CZ15:09
jonwilthose are language packages for it15:09
LaoLang_coolah, it's lanuages for osso-startup-wizzard?15:09
jonwilno for osso-tutorial15:09
LaoLang_coolosso-tutorial? I don't find it on my n900... where is it?15:10
jonwilwait no15:10
jonwilosso-tutorial-l10n-* are language packs for tutorial-home-applet15:10
LaoLang_cooljonwil: oh, but apt-get purge tutorial-home-applet* doesn't say they're the depends of it.15:11
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jonwilthey are15:12
jonwilas for references to de_DE, so far I haven't found any that could be related to osso-startup-wizzard15:13
LaoLang_cooljonwil: thank you, purging them :)15:14
jonwilactually lets search for fr_FR, less chance of false positives that way :)15:14
PaliI'm searching for string cs_CZ in whole system... maybe I find someting15:15
LaoLang_coolIs there a easy way to purge all language packs except for English?15:15
jonwilnope, dont know of one15:15
LaoLang_cooljonwil: oh15:16
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jonwilok, 220 hits for fr_FR15:17
jonwilmake that 221 :)15:17
jonwilok, I think we can ignore those that reference hildon-input-method as those arent what we are looking for15:18
jonwilso thats some gconf stuff for h-i-m15:18
jonwilreferences in the repo package lists, no we can ignore that15:18
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Palijonwil: nothing relevant to cs_CZ in maemo rootfs image15:26
jonwilpali, what do you get if you open xterm or ssh and type sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/default-language and sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/keyboard-layout and sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/content-region15:26
Palifirst: English (British)15:27
Palisecond: English, Dutch15:27
Palithird: Britain15:27
jonwilnow grepping my source dump[ for cs_CZ15:29
jonwil4 results so far15:29
jonwilok, those are hildon-input-method related so we can ignore those15:29
jonwilstill searching15:30
jonwilsome stuff related to packaging, we can ignore that15:31
PaliI started debuuging that f** osso-startup-wizard application15:32
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jonwilusr/share/i18n_locale_resolver/ looks suspicious15:32
jonwilok, no that next hit is QT, we can ignore that15:33
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jonwilas does other stuff in usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver15:34 and lra_regional.data15:34
jonwilso the stuff in usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver and the stuff in usr/share/osso_startup_wizard seem to be where the interesting stuff is15:36
jonwiland no I dont know how to edit the stuff in i18n_locale_resolver15:36
* DocScrutinizer moos a bit15:36
jonwilbecause the libs in question are closed source :(15:36
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Palijonwil: file /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver/ looks like that is config for that osso wizard15:42
DocScrutinizerchem|st: could you pin please15:42
Paliand that file is binary :-(15:42
DocScrutinizerer make sticky?15:42
jonwilchecking now for all things that read /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver15:42
jonwilok, the data is read by
Paliwhen I moved file /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver/ startup wizard showed me empy language list15:46
Palijonwil: somebody told me that binary format of locale-resolver can be extended (by open garage project)15:47
jonwilthats for diablo15:50
jonwilnot fremantle15:50
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jonwilinterestingly libi18n has a dev package15:50
jonwillets see what that has to say15:51
jonwilnope, that dev package doesnt help15:51
Palisource code of that extra package is here:
Paliand maybe format is not changed15:52
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jonwildoesnt appear to have changed15:56
jonwilso try playing with that package and seeing if that helps15:57
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jonwilthe only users of that locale data are the startup wizard, hildon-input-method-configurator and the language/regional control panel16:13
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Palijonwil: OK, If it work, I will create fremantle package for changing that files16:17
DocScrutinizerhey jonwil, old hax0r. How about having a look into the way Nokia is managing lockcode since PR1.3?16:18
DocScrutinizerjust for fun16:18
jonwilnot interested in that16:19
DocScrutinizerthought it could be fun to learn how it works now16:19
DocScrutinizerand not very hard to do16:19
DocScrutinizerwhat we know (IIRC) is that since PR1.3 you have to reflash both rootfs and eMMC to reset lockcode16:22
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DocScrutinizerI'm curious how they implemented that, seems they would need some kind of cookie or whatever on eMMC, that gets toggled on flashing eMMC16:24
jonwildo you know which binary or binaries I would need to look at for that?16:25
DocScrutinizertbh I have no f'ing clue what process checks lockcode on boot16:26
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jonwilnot going to look into it then16:27
jonwilif I can find out the right binary to look at, I might take a look16:27
jonwilAlthough really I should be trying to finish as much of my work as possible before I go on holidays on the 13th of december16:27
Macerdamnit i need my new glasses to get delivered to pearle already16:27
Maceri hate waiting on them. and all i have are 1 pair of contacts16:27
DocScrutinizerwell, then we are somewhat on same page, I already phrased the strace infocation in my mind16:27
jonwilThe good thing about going on holidays is that I can get even more cell tower names and IDs for my logging :)16:28
* DocScrutinizer blinds Macer with a laser16:28
jonwilsince I will be talking to celltowers I have never talked to with my N900 before16:28
MacerDocScrutinizer: i probably wouldn't see it ;)16:28
Maceri took the contacts out16:28
jonwilin fact towers I have never talked to at all :)16:28
Macerand am lying in bed wishing i had some damn glasses to put on16:28
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jonwilsince I changed carriers since I last went to this place :)16:29
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DocScrutinizerMacer: your trxt-to-speech setup in N900 irc client is awesome ;-D16:30
Macerdo they have it for terminal too so i can use irssi?16:31
Maceri'm sure that is synth chaos16:31
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kerioMacer: wait, you have text-to-speech for IRC?16:50
jonwilok, so locale-resolver-extra means the hard-coded stuff related to language and locale can be edited now17:00
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SicelocityLights: alsamixer -c0 for adjusting your earphone balance. careful though.17:33
cityLightsthanks Sicelo17:42
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DocScrutinizerwon't persist, so probably gets annoying pretty fast18:06
DocScrutinizerPA is so..... *BEEEP*18:07
Sicelobtw, what is hildon-initscripts?18:07
DocScrutinizerimprovement by hiding complexity... works nice as long as you don't need the complexity that's there for some reason18:08
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DocScrutinizeras soon as your "complex requirements" are getting as complex as setting balance L/R, you start to CURSE friggin PA18:09
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DocScrutinizerreminds me at uper high-end audiophile amps, where the designers had a hard time to give it a volume dial ;-P - according to paradigm "nothing is going to adulterate the pure sound"18:11
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DocScrutinizeresp funny when you find all the potentiometers for the balance/treble/bass/whatnot dials behind the front cover with cut off axes so they won't come to the outside18:12
DocScrutinizerwhich is what PA is doing, basically18:13
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vi__swap on SD.  Is it worth it?18:51
robbiethe1stMaby. I'd try to get it setup to where it will use /both/ swap on SD and eMMC at once, for double the throughput18:54
robbiethe1sti.e. alternate blocks, raid-style18:55
vi__robbiethe1st: I am aware that you can set the priority the same however I do not know if it truly behaves like a raid.18:56
vi__I lament the fact n900 cannot use a swapfile18:57
robbiethe1stI think it can; remember, you can always mount a file as a loopback, so there shouldn't be a problem there18:58
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robbiethe1stMay require PK, though18:59
vi__I run nothing less!19:00
vi__Just got compcache on the go...19:00
robbiethe1stIs it in a repo yet?19:00
vi__how to kill a process that just won't die?19:01
vi__The module comes with kp4919:01
robbiethe1stOh, nice!19:01
vi__You grap rzconfigure from the repo.19:01
vi__I spunked a wad in my pants19:02
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vi__robbiethe1st: how to mount swapfile as loopback?19:06
vi__mount -o loop /path/to/swapfile /mnt19:06
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vi__FilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority /dev/mmcblk0p3                          partition78642411700-1 /dev/loop4                              partition99920-219:08
vi__(I will never risk partitioning an SD card again!19:09
vi__robbiethe1st: this next shot of whisky is for you.19:09
* vi__ gulp!19:10
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robbiethe1stvi__, erm, can't find package rzconfig19:31
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vi__robbiethe1st: apologies, it is calld 'compcache-tools'19:44
vi__also be sure to allocate a disksize that is ^219:44
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vi__insmod /lib/modules/current/ramzswap.ko disksize_kb=6553619:44
vi__for example19:45
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trampDoes anyone know how to set up the n900 as a USB router?22:26
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SpeedEvilDo you mean a USB modem?22:27
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trampsort of, it just relays its own broadband signal22:27
SpeedEvilyou plug it into a computer, select 'pc-suite mode, and configure it like you would any other 3g modem22:28
SpeedEvilIs the easy way22:28
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trampwell, i dont have network-manager installed22:29
trampi figured it wold show up as a device on the pc22:29
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Sicelowvdial, pppconfig, or plain pppd will do as well22:30
trampi mean ifconfig rather22:30
SpeedEvilIt's a serial modem, basically.22:30
* SpeedEvil uses plain pppd with a /etc/ppp config file.22:30
SpeedEvilWritten by hand.22:30
* SpeedEvil is oldskool.22:30
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trampok, and we are talking about the same thing, right, using the phone as a wifi adapter22:31
SpeedEvilNo - as a 3G modem22:31
Sicelono. this won't use wifi22:32
SpeedEvilSorry for the confusion.22:32
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trampi dont have a service plan22:32
trampi have to relay the traffic from the wifi22:33
Siceloso what happens when u follow the steps in that wiki?22:33
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DocScrutinizerso that wiki page either should get a better title "N900_as_USB_WLAN_AP/client-adapter"22:34
DocScrutinizeror I got sth completely wrong22:34
trampits for a linux live flash drive, so i can boot linux without worrying whether some network card is compatible, i can use the n900 as an adapter22:34
Siceloso u haven't tried the steps yet?22:35
trampthe wiki seems to use iptables and dnsmasq to make the phone act as a router or adapter22:35
DocScrutinizerbut it won't pan out, as for booting from a image on N900 AIUI you need mass storage mode, while for your network adapter idea you need PC Suite mode22:36
trampive done all the steps but its not working in and of itself22:36
trampDocScrutinizer: the flash drive is a separate device22:36
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Sicelowe still don't know what happens when u try that :)22:37
trampi think im missing something on the pc side but i wouldnt know22:37
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Siceloifconfig -a should at least show a usb0 iface22:38
trampi figure the kernel-power version wouldnt break it22:38
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Sicelonot the usb0 thing, at least22:38
trampon the pc ifconfig -a shows usb0 and usbpn022:38
Siceloaha.. and does usb0 get assigned some iP?22:39
tramp/dev/ttyACM0 is also created, but thats with or without the steps22:39
trampi think no22:39
trampjust a HWaddr22:40
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DocScrutinizerhmm, so you may want to up it22:40
DocScrutinizerand assign an IP22:41
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* DocScrutinizer wonders idly what ttyACM0 actually exposes. Direct modem via pnatd? a shell?22:43
DocScrutinizermaybe even a console?? :-o22:43
Siceloi think it's equal to /dev/ttyUSB0 on other kernels/distros22:43
trampif that makes sense22:44
tramptesting hello?22:44
tramptesting hello?22:44
tramptesting hello?22:44
DocScrutinizerSicelo: doesn't answer my wondering22:45
trampwhen i plugged it in i forgot it effectivelydisconnects me22:45
DocScrutinizerno matter whether it's called ttyACM0 or ttyUSB0, what does it expose?22:45
Sicelowell, u know these things better :)22:45
DocScrutinizerthought you maybe already connected to it, so you knew22:46
Siceloto me, it's just a modem, same as any other usb dongle :P22:46
DocScrutinizer:nod: so probably pnatd-alike direct modem access22:46
* Sicelo is now starting to get what DocScrutinizer is saying )22:47
Siceloat1 ;)22:47
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trampive tried ifup usb0, but it says "Ignoring unknown interface usb0=usb0"22:47
Sicelothis ifup is where? pc or N900?22:48
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Siceloof course. no usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces22:49
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Z3ROC00Lhey people just wondering if its possable to chane user name on maemotalk.com22:49
SiceloDocScrutinizer said do something like ifconfig address22:49
SiceloDocScrutinizer: dnsmasq on n900 can give out ip addresses?22:50
DocScrutinizerrdns? nfc22:50
trampwhere does the usb0 go tho, hang on22:50
DocScrutinizerSicelo: or what do you mean?22:51
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Sicelothat wiki page says pc should get ip address automatically22:51
DocScrutinizerZ3ROC00L: no22:52
trampifconfig usb0 <ipaddr>22:52
trampSIOCSIFADDR: No such device22:53
trampusb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device22:53
Sicelou have usb0 when doing ifconfig -a? weird22:53
trampwait let me plug the phone back in22:53
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Siceloyeah, dnsmasq is a dhcp server.. nice :)22:54
DocScrutinizeraaah, yes22:54
DocScrutinizerit is22:54
DocScrutinizeryour question >>dnsmasq on n900 can give out ip addresses?<< was a tiny bit ambiguous22:55
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trampno errors with ifconfig actually, it then appears in the ifconfig list, but i cant ping anything22:56
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tramps/it then/usb0 then/22:57
infobottramp meant: no errors with ifconfig actually, usb0 then appears in the ifconfig list, but i cant ping anything22:57
tramproute...ok i feel so smart22:58
trampim glad to finally be learning route22:59
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trampdont tell me yet22:59
BluesLeehi, why i cant join #maemo-cssu?23:00
* Sicelo has learned 90% of what he knows about linux right on this channel 23:00
SiceloBluesLee: #maemo-ssu23:00
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BluesLee the camera on the n900 of my wife stopped working after installing newest cssu and kernel power23:04
BluesLeeany hints?23:04
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trampdnsmasq shouldnt change the gateway23:13
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trampit automatically adds the route - Dest:  Gateway:*  Flags:U  IFace:usb023:19
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trampthe routing table looks fine. its just missing a default gateway, but it shouldnt need it to ping other nodes23:27
trampifconfig -a23:28
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Sicelowhat's ip address for usb0?23:36
trampwhatever i put in ifconfig23:36
trampusb0 exists anytime the phone this plugged in, regardless of whether pcsuite mode is enabled23:37
Sicelolooks like something isn't right with your dnsmasq command. do u type it exactly as shown?23:38
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Sicelo(usb0 will appear all the time, until reboot of N900, when u will need to chosee pc suite mode again)23:38
trampI didnt use the same ip addresses23:38
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trampinstead of, I used
trampim starting to guess it might have to be in a different c-net23:42
trampill try it as written23:42
Siceloso usb0 on pc is 192.. 64?23:42
Sicelojust paste all of ifconfig usb0 from pc23:43
trampif i type ifconfig usb0 192.. 64 then thats what it becomes23:44
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trampno luck with .3 c-net23:47
Sicelowhy not paste your ifconfig somewhere?23:48
trampon the pc?23:48
infobottramp meant: for the pc?23:48
trampjust a min... requires copying23:51
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trampthis is before entering ifconfig usb0 192...6423:57
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Sicelowhat's your dnsmasq command?23:59

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