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| bindi | anyone use rdesktop? | 00:06 |
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| bindi | does it support sound transferring? (receiving) | 00:06 |
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| AminCX | hi everybody, i have some problems with flashing, its still on "Finishing flashing... done" and there is no "CMT flashed successfully" for about half hour ! please help me here . | 00:26 |
| psycho_oreos | which OS are you running on your computer and what was your command line? | 00:27 |
| AminCX | maemo, n900 and i'm flashing with this : "D:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -F "D:\Documents and Settings\Amin\My Documents\Downloads\Music\RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" -f" | 00:29 |
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| AminCX | xp sp3 | 00:29 |
| psycho_oreos | have you flashed the eMMC before you flashed using that parameter? | 00:30 |
| AminCX | yes i did that and it was successfull | 00:31 |
| AminCX | this file : "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" | 00:31 |
| AminCX | and i'm flashing because of the no imei problem and the "all telephony functions are disabled due to ..." message . | 00:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | so when you flashed the fiasco (which is what you flash after you did the eMMC) you weren't returned to prompt? | 00:33 |
| psycho_oreos | did your N900 say anything on the screen? | 00:33 |
| AminCX | yes it's still on "Finishing flashing... done" and no there is no message on the phone and the screen is black , the led is still yellow . | 00:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I think your device (N900) might have ran out of power before flasher could finish its operation | 00:34 |
| AminCX | no it's almost full of charge or at least 80% percent . i tried several times and that's it. i event tried other version "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" | 00:36 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm not familiar with flashing under windows but I'm sure N900 is not meant to dim screen and show yellow/amber LED. During the entire flashing operation (especially without -R specified) your device should still display Nokia screen | 00:36 |
| AminCX | yes it's showing Nokia screen . | 00:36 |
| beford | http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/25/researchers-put-smartphones-on-a-power-diet-drastically-improve/ | 00:36 |
| psycho_oreos | and backlight should be constantly on as well | 00:36 |
| beford | n900 still in the news :o | 00:37 |
| psycho_oreos | beford, goes to show that a geeks toy is still loved by researchers :) | 00:37 |
| AminCX | no the backlight is not on . | 00:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | AminCX, which is why I find it weird, though like I said that I never flashed my N900 under windows before.. My bet is to unplug the USB and try rebooting the N900 see if it loads up properly | 00:38 |
| AminCX | yes it loads up, but the error is still : "All telephony functions are disabled due to ..." and no IMEI ! | 00:39 |
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| AminCX | someone told me its because of something like RPL and ..., do you know anything about that ? | 00:41 |
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| Sicelo | AminCX: u can try a debian-based livecd.. eg ubuntu, knoppix | 00:44 |
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| AminCX | do you think that will work ? i mean Linux vs Windows, is it differ enough ? | 00:45 |
| Sicelo | ~flashing | 00:46 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | I personally use linux here myself. I find that linux doesn't start autoprobing and asking for drivers if the drivers are not there. In other words, its more well behaved than with windows where you have to go around disabling new hardwares being detected | 00:47 |
| psycho_oreos | plus you can enable R&D mode with linux based flasher | 00:47 |
| Macer | well.. i have to admit | 00:47 |
| Macer | this synology is awesome | 00:48 |
| Macer | :) | 00:48 |
| AminCX | so it worst the shot ! i think i have an ubuntu in my virtual pc . gonna test that, but about RPL, nothing at all ? | 00:50 |
| psycho_oreos | you might be able to get away with using linux under VM if you want to retain windows. Though using VM is not ideal as if the USB passthrough mode isn't clean it may cause issues | 00:51 |
| Sicelo | ~rpl | 00:51 |
| infobot | Multi-file recursive string replacement. URL: http://www.laffeycomputer.com/software.html | 00:51 |
| Sicelo | heh | 00:51 |
| AminCX | I'm a debian administrator, but just ssh and command line , so i have to learn ! I'm gonna download the ubuntu | 00:54 |
| psycho_oreos | no IMEI could mean issues with cal | 00:54 |
| AminCX | cal ? | 00:54 |
| psycho_oreos | not sure what the abbreviation stands for but it deals with the critical part of the device, it manages modes like R&D for instances | 00:55 |
| AminCX | i think there is connection between hanging on that line and the no imei problem, maybe i finally figure it out ! | 00:55 |
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| Sicelo | i also didn't have imei when i got my n900. simple reflash solved that | 00:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | was your N900 brand new when you saw it didn't have IMEI? | 00:57 |
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| AminCX | what do you mean exactly ? | 00:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | I was asking Sicelo, in my case, none of my N900s have no IMEI. One was bought brand new and the other two are second hands | 00:59 |
| Sicelo | yes. 100% new. PR1.1 | 01:00 |
| AminCX | i think i bought it about 12-15 month ago . | 01:00 |
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| AminCX | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 | 01:00 |
| psycho_oreos | weird, at the time when I had my N900 brand new, it would have also been PR1.1 or thereabouts | 01:00 |
| AminCX | i think it was p1.1 | 01:01 |
| psycho_oreos | slightly older revision | 01:01 |
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| AminCX | i love this device, and i think n9 gonna be better, unfortunately there is no guaranty on my n900 and there is no authorized repair service in the town neither ! | 01:03 |
| Sicelo | u don't need that AminCX :) | 01:03 |
| psycho_oreos | eww.. N9 | 01:04 |
| Sicelo | they'll just give u a shiny new E7 | 01:04 |
| psycho_oreos | or even a N8 | 01:04 |
| AminCX | no no no there is no change warranty in my area ! I'm in the hell here :d | 01:05 |
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| Sicelo | AminCX: your n900 isn't dead/bricked, so no need for any warranty related things | 01:06 |
| psycho_oreos | though at this point in time, he won't have any cellular functionality | 01:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | in other words, his N900 would probably be as good as its predecessors | 01:07 |
| psycho_oreos | AminCX, so what's the progress on flashing it using linux? | 01:08 |
| AminCX | any way it's gonna kill me, imagine a big phone like n900 and a little other one like 1102 in my little pocket ! N900 for awesomeness and other one for using as Phone ! | 01:08 |
| psycho_oreos | more like N900 being an internet tablet rather than a big phone | 01:09 |
| AminCX | i'm downloading latest version of ubuntu, | 01:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | I still don't know why would N900 all of the sudden loses connectivity to the cellular network. It could be anything from a faulty board to maybe dirty contacts or even possibly swapping SIM cards out constantly | 01:11 |
| AminCX | about phone stuff, everybody wants everything in a little shiny smartphone, and i'm a developer too, so i want a stylish advanced smartphone that do all the stuff like playing calling messaging and programs ... | 01:11 |
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| Sicelo | tracker waking up cpu too frequently :( | 01:12 |
| AminCX | i have a theory, there is little battery on the board, is that related to GSM module ? cause i think every time it's out of charge the problem comes up, maybe it's very silly . | 01:13 |
| psycho_oreos | I hate to own a smartphone with a smaller screen.. it seems already I have grown accustomed to N900's screen.. web browsing is already difficult as it is and any downsizing would mean I need to zoom into pages more and more | 01:13 |
| psycho_oreos | no the battery is to keep dates and what not iinm | 01:13 |
| psycho_oreos | kinda like a CMOS battery on a normal computer | 01:13 |
| Macer | heh | 01:14 |
| Macer | the n900 has a secondary battery for that | 01:14 |
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| AminCX | yeah i know, and i see every time i pull out the battery and put it back it asks me the date/time , but before this problem it saves those things . | 01:14 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer pointed that out awhile ago, its a small cell battery iinm or cell shaped battery | 01:15 |
| Macer | my old n900s internal battery broke like that | 01:15 |
| Macer | and every time i pulled the battery it would ask for the time | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | button cell | 01:15 |
| psycho_oreos | correction, button cell shaped :) | 01:15 |
| AminCX | so this is not related event a little ? | 01:16 |
| psycho_oreos | two of my N900 would constantly ask for date and time even if I momentarily dislodge the main battery. | 01:16 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh hardware hackers like DocScrutinizer would probably know the best ;) | 01:17 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: how difficult is replacing it? have to solder? | 01:17 |
| psycho_oreos | or vi___, etc | 01:17 |
| Macer | i am watching enron: smartest guys in the room | 01:17 |
| Macer | the bandwidth idea was kind of good | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | AminCX: which related event? | 01:17 |
| Macer | they just didnt do it right | 01:18 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, something to do with no IMEI and cannot connect to cellular network | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 01:18 |
| psycho_oreos | even the flashing mode (under windows) fails | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | button cell backup battery is for realtime clock only | 01:18 |
| Macer | lol. that is a windows problem | 01:18 |
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| AminCX | do the small battery on the board related anyway to the GSM module, and cause the "all telephony functions are disabled due to ." ? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it'S notorious to break after like 9..12months of normal usage. So psycho_oreos observation is rather normal | 01:19 |
| psycho_oreos | so far most of us are assuming that it is windows problem, but only one way to tell is to get AminCX to flash using linux and to see if flashing also fails | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | AminCX: no | 01:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | o.O | 01:20 |
| Macer | AminCX: i had the same problem flashing and fixed it by using my linux box | 01:20 |
| psycho_oreos | a few people on tmo board have opted to try and bend their pin contacts on the N900 in a bid to get the SIM card detected but the results came up as mixed, mostly no dice iinm | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | and I really wouldn't know what would cause no IMEI, even if flashing fails to restore it, cmt/cal is probably corrupt | 01:21 |
| psycho_oreos | err cal | 01:21 |
| AminCX | sure, i'm gonna do that but like i said i'm in the hell and the net line is a little slow here, for about 700MB i have to wait a hour . | 01:22 |
| psycho_oreos | AminCX, you could go for a minimal one lol, you don't need a full blown linux | 01:22 |
| psycho_oreos | surely you'd know that if you been a debian admin | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no IMEI is basically unrelated to SIM, at least should. Wait a blink.... | 01:22 |
| AminCX | its bb5 SLV3 is'nt it ? someone told me you have to buy RPL cause it's crashed and he was so sure ! | 01:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. IMEI is modem | 01:23 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I also think that IMEI is definitely not related to SIM, its some other area on the device is either not storing or somehow the data is corrupted. IMSI is related to SIM however | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, even without any SIM my "about product" shows IMEI | 01:23 |
| psycho_oreos | my third N900 (without SIM) still shows IMEI, so yeah | 01:24 |
| AminCX | psycho_oreos: ouch it's 48% past the download :-D | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing IMEI usually means your HW is defect | 01:24 |
| psycho_oreos | AminCX, oh well too late now, maybe you can keep that in mind next time | 01:24 |
| psycho_oreos | its funny if its a HW defect, Sicelo mentioned his N900 came without IMEI but he flashed it and IMEI started appearing | 01:25 |
| AminCX | psycho_oreos: i went to this and i wasn't so curios :-D http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download | 01:25 |
| psycho_oreos | AminCX, there's plenty of other distros out there, like slax, slitaz, puppylinux.. all there to minimise excessive downloads.. sure enough that ubuntu is probably somewhat well condoned here but :) | 01:26 |
| AminCX | somehow i love ubuntu style in GUI ! | 01:26 |
| * psycho_oreos is reminded about the current ones that feature unity | 01:26 | |
| HyperSnyper | anyone know anything of this new 3G method that can "reduce power usage by 74%" is an n900 in pic > http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/25/researchers-put-smartphones-on-a-power-diet-drastically-improve/ | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: usually flashing of cmt FW either works or fails but shouldn't break the IMEI readout. However there might be cases where reflashing COMBINED also reflashes cmt FW and thus fixes some glitch | 01:27 |
| AminCX | about the imei, i searched almost all of the web about my problems, and believe me there is no straight answer for it ! | 01:27 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh nice so I guess it could be the last hope for AminCX then :) in a bid to restore IMEI | 01:27 |
| Sicelo | the imei thing delayed my flashing, lol, as it's needed to download firmware. i was not so sure if sticker on my N900 was legit. i remember i even asked here on chan | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't rstore IMEI, but you can restore the software on modem that answers your query for IMEI | 01:28 |
| psycho_oreos | well my bad | 01:28 |
| AminCX | did i said that i dropped my n900 in the water ? of course on the ground and it was not much water( about 3 millimeters), and after that it was crashed, but after a week it goes well somehow ! | 01:29 |
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| * Sicelo fully agrees with DocScrutinizer. i did full flash.. not really for the imei thing.. just update to pr1.3, and imei 'magically' appeared | 01:29 | |
| Sicelo | O.O | 01:29 |
| psycho_oreos | you should have informed us earlier about that.. maybe the water have damaged the device internally should you have not taken any actions to properly dry the device up | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | AminCX: say goodbye to your modem then | 01:30 |
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| psycho_oreos | if not to your modem, your wireless chipset would fail to work | 01:30 |
| AminCX | no no , i'm pretty sure it's not damaged, it was ok after a week, but suddenly now it's dead :( | 01:30 |
| psycho_oreos | two tmo threads I've encountered where their N900 were exposed to accidental liquid spills shows up errors with getting wireless to work | 01:31 |
| AminCX | the wireless chipset is completely ok . | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah sure, because 1 week is simply not enough to dry the device, and corrosion by electrolysis goes on as long as you power the device. Eventually it breaks permanently | 01:31 |
| psycho_oreos | the bottom line is that as soon as your device was exposed to liquid (even if immersed), you should have quickly acted to properly dry the device up. | 01:32 |
| psycho_oreos | liquids also act as conductors, which can shorten the contacts on the board up when the device is in operation | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIRST THING: remove batery | 01:33 |
| AminCX | i did those things, removed battery rice .... | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and don't dare to insert it before you dried the device for 2 weeks at a warm place | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | rice is BS | 01:33 |
| bindi | how? | 01:34 |
| AminCX | oh no, just 24 hour and i turned it on . | 01:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | silca gel probably would have worked better but you still need to remove as much moisture as you can with a microfibre cloth | 01:34 |
| AminCX | it was 4 month a go, why now ?!:( | 01:34 |
| psycho_oreos | the whole N900 needs to be disassembled as well | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | some of the balls of the chips may have suffered from corrosion and now on a random mechanical stress broke completely | 01:35 |
| AminCX | ouch, so i have to say goodbye to this one, yes ? | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | try flashing it. if that doesn't help then alas yes, it's dead Jim | 01:36 |
| psycho_oreos | its not fully dead, it'll probably function without cellular connectivity.. maybe over time other functions may cease to act properly | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:37 |
| * psycho_oreos sighs at another dead N900.. poor N900 | 01:37 | |
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| AminCX | wow, it was so nice for me anyway, any time i needed anything n900 was for me, it was somehow meant for me, anything i needed was always there , in a little beautiful device, hhhhhh...... | 01:38 |
| psycho_oreos | you should have realised that nokia no longer manufactures N900 anymore, so you should protect your N900 even more | 01:39 |
| psycho_oreos | conductive liquids and electronics don't mix | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't say that, see "does it blend" | 01:40 |
| AminCX | no the n900 is just a phone, mine is different for me, memories i have with it is not replacable ! anyway gone is gone. | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I hope you can make it work again, there'S a small chance it will resurrect on flashing COMBINED | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | repair shops may try to hot-air resolder all the modem chips | 01:42 |
| AminCX | thank you all for the time you spend for me :) i will try again flashing with linux . and give you the results, after that the only way is repair services, thank you again ;) | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you can't get it to full operation, then you might consider selling it to those looking for broken devices, and get yourself another working used one | 01:43 |
| psycho_oreos | backup your contents if you can | 01:44 |
| psycho_oreos | oh wait nevermind, you've already flashed eMMC | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh problems with flashing as well? | 01:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah he had issues flashing the COMBINED | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | log please | 01:45 |
| AminCX | yeah i'm a little disappointed here, but i will not loose my hope :) | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | AminCX: you can still use the device? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | like - get a xterm? | 01:46 |
| AminCX | yes i can, it's on. | 01:46 |
| AminCX | yes i can . | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you have rootsh installed? | 01:46 |
| AminCX | not yet, i just flashed it . | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you install rootsh? | 01:46 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/ixnkWUdC | 01:47 |
| AminCX | http://notepub.com/#fb=¬e=307093 | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:48 |
| Sicelo | what's that AminCX? | 01:48 |
| AminCX | flashing log ? | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | AminCX: please try the global version, local versions are known to sometimes cause exactly the problems you are facing, I.E. fsckup modem | 01:49 |
| AminCX | in hang on this line :Finishing flashing... done | 01:49 |
| AminCX | ok | 01:49 |
| AminCX | i'm on it | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp the US version, dunno what your 003 version is | 01:50 |
| * Sicelo is curious to know what DocScrutinizer suggests after 'rootsh' | 01:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | pnatd | 01:50 |
| Sicelo | :) | 01:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | or you could just enable R&D and use sudo gainroot | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | rrrright | 01:52 |
| psycho_oreos | that's if you ran linux and used linux flasher :D | 01:52 |
| Sicelo | btw what is imei there? i only remember +cimi | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ati1 ;-) | 01:53 |
| psycho_oreos | eh? | 01:53 |
| AminCX | just in 20 minutes the ubuntu will run . | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ATI1 | 01:53 |
| Sicelo | thanks | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or AT+CGSN | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Get Serial Nuimber | 01:56 |
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| Sicelo | ah, yeah, that's the one i'm more familiar with :P | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | atiN are funny | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ati2 esp | 01:57 |
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| Sicelo | what does it do? | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It reports info about the modem. | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Including the text of your last phonecalls. | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I like Info | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | (not really) | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ATI is ancient basics, ATI2 etc extended | 01:58 |
| Sicelo | wow.. nice. (nothing about phone calls though) | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's ATI(0),1,2,3 the rest is null functions on this modem | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | (though I haven't tested all possible 256) | 02:00 |
| Sicelo | what is recommended way to exit? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | pnatd? there's none ;-P | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | close shell | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or kill pnatd | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | from a second shell | 02:01 |
| Sicelo | ok. just remembered that minicom can do funny things if not exited correctly | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | pnatd is a fake serial connection, or no serial connection at all | 02:02 |
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| Sicelo | this is only my second time using pnatd. first time was when u heleped someone set auto-answer, lol | 02:03 |
| Sicelo | s/epe/pe/ | 02:04 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: this is only my second time using pnatd. first time was when u helped someone set auto-answer, lol | 02:04 |
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| AminCX | well i have root now | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I helped smeone to set autoanswer? where? I just posted a general "howto" on tmo lately | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | AminCX: start pnatd | 02:17 |
| AminCX | i cant type in it ! | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | in pnatd? | 02:18 |
| AminCX | after pnatd | 02:18 |
| AminCX | i can't insert anything to xterm . | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems to indicate your modem is dead | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It may simply be powered off | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure what happens in that case | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme test | 02:18 |
| AminCX | is it software or hardware ? how can i be sure ? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, seems I have no idea how to "switch off modem" | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | offline mode has no impact | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect pnatd fakes quite a lot | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least it doesn't fake basic entering of AT | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | see AminCX ^^^ | 02:21 |
| AminCX | see what ? | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil shall notice that your pnatd refuses to accept AT<enter> | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, try typing it blind | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | enter | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT<enter> | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT<enter> | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't at the moment - n900 is powered off and charging in another room | 02:23 |
| AminCX | ok, | 02:23 |
| AminCX | i'm typing AT now | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Wll - I can - but I'm not feeling up to getting it. | 02:23 |
| AminCX | well enetered, nothing | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I am not aware of any method to reach that state with "normal means" | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash with global COMBINED | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | reboot, and try again | 02:24 |
| AminCX | ok | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | otherwise, that | 02:24 |
| AminCX | 100% (185728 of 0 kB, avg. 185728 kB/s) | 02:26 |
| AminCX | Finishing flashing... done | 02:26 |
| AminCX | i'm waiting for the end, how much it takes in normal ? | 02:26 |
| nox- | i wonder if it tries to flash the modem fw and fails... | 02:27 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he had a proper n900 schematic. | 02:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | + docs and design details. | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's missing? | 02:28 |
| AminCX | talking about me ? | 02:28 |
| AminCX | i already opened it and i know the n2200 | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Chances of databooks for Rapuyama... seem quite small. | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh yes | 02:28 |
| AminCX | i just cleared it with the spray | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | AminCX: you flashed global COMBINED? | 02:29 |
| AminCX | just for testing | 02:29 |
| AminCX | yes | 02:29 |
| AminCX | its still on the line : Finishing flashing... done | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | it failed again? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 02:30 |
| AminCX | its still on the line : Finishing flashing... done, last time it took almost half a hour and nothing . | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it usually doesn't take more than 2 or 3 minutes | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | From memory, it returns in under 30s | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It's been ages since I flashed though | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:31 |
| AminCX | so i have to stop it ? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid a second reflash won't do any better | 02:32 |
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| AminCX | how about second emmc flash ? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | no effect | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | unrelated | 02:32 |
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| AminCX | old version ? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | but hey, you got nothing to lose | 02:33 |
| AminCX | ok . | 02:33 |
| AminCX | vanilla flashing is going on . | 02:34 |
| AminCX | can i turned it up after vanilla flashing completed or as the pattern said i have to do the combined ? | 02:35 |
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| AminCX | Image(s) flashed successfully in 42.125 s (5724 kB/s)! | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could try coldflashing cmt, but that'S sth nobody ever has done afaik | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's pretty unclear how that shall work on a working devie | 02:36 |
| AminCX | could you please give me the command lines for that ? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | must be related to: | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | --cmt-2nd <arg> Location of CMT FIASCO 2nd image | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | --cmt-algo <arg> Location of CMT FIASCO algorithm image | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | --cmt-mcusw <arg> Location of CMT FIASCO MCUSW image | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | but as said above, I dunno how that should actually get accomplished | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and odds that it would work and fix your problem are minimal, like 1/10000 | 02:38 |
| AminCX | as you said i have NOTHING to loose :( | 02:39 |
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| AminCX | don't you have anything in mind about how to figure out that is it hardware or software ? | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | when flashing doesn't work all odds are it's HW | 02:40 |
| AminCX | by the way done EMMC and combined and no result like before . | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | coldflashing the main processor works with >>--cold-flash, -c "Cold flash" the device<<, I don't find a matching --cmt-cold-flash though | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get device to BNokia repair shop, tell them you won't accept a swap for another model | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or try disassembling the device and rinsing it with 99% ethanol/methanol/isopropyl | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I'm short of really good ideas how to help any further | 02:44 |
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| AminCX | it's so risky, i will try the one, if it was software i was gonna do anything but hardware :( | 02:45 |
| AminCX | and for the record i opened up the device twice, and the last time i sprayed and checked the antenna connectors and pulled them up and did other things, it was ok after that! but 8 or 10 hour later the error aperas . so i think it is definitly hardware . | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Antenna is a red-herring. | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It sounds like you've got a cracked ball, or a broken track or something. | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Flexing the PCB, or in principle, reflowing the chip - may make it better temporarily or permenantly | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | or worse ;-) | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it's hard for the modem to get worse | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | But yes. | 02:49 |
| AminCX | ouch ! but i don't know what exactly did it right ! i just played with the board ! | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | but yeah, gently(!) pushing on the PCB while booting up may show it works which proves it's a solder defect | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | What we really need is for someone to make a thin module that can fit on the existing solder-pads, after teh chips are cleaned off, and has a more modern modem. :) | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 02:50 |
| AminCX | if i knew more about electronics maybe i was going to put heater on the IC's but i don't actually . | 02:51 |
| AminCX | it's too bad to be in the hell, i can't event find an authorized repair service. anyway i'm gonna give it up and go for an unauthorized repair service . | 02:53 |
| AminCX | anyway thank you guys for helping me here . it was my last chance to repair it my self . :-) | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 02:55 |
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| AminCX | a little sleepy it's 4:26 AM in here. well i'm going to sleep, and for those who thinking about hell, hell is here in my country, IRAN, goodnight . | 02:58 |
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| luke-jr | so my N900 decided to stop working on cellular … :/ | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | how can I debug it? | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | GPRS6 specifically | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | All cellular? | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | I only have GPRS6 | 03:08 |
| bindi | how can I change the menu background visibility? | 03:08 |
| bindi | its like 100% now and I can't see the white text of the icons | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | since my Gentoo partition got corrupt-dead, I can't even try stracing crap | 03:09 |
| bindi | argh | 03:15 |
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| bindi | can anyone report a bug for me? if it's not already reported | 03:15 |
| bindi | it's been 3 months since i spotted this though | 03:15 |
| bindi | bugtracker needs login, don't have an account :> and can't find a way to email this guy | 03:15 |
| bindi | anyway, camera lens launcher doesn't launch BlessN900 when set to preferred application :F | 03:15 |
| bindi | works with the popup menu though | 03:15 |
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| luke-jr | bindi: report your own bugs. not like they'll ever get fixed. | 03:19 |
| bindi | just said i don't have an account and don't bother to create one :p | 03:19 |
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| Anita1 | hello, I have a question. I want to update my CSSU, but I get an error, hildon-desktop conflicting. It says it depends hildon-desktop (>=1:2.2.142-16) but 1:2.2.142-14 to be installed | 03:38 |
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| merlin1991 | Anita1: from where to where do you want to update? | 03:41 |
| Anita1 | trying to update to latest one that appears on FAM | 03:42 |
| Anita1 | from where, let me check | 03:42 |
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| Anita1 | 20.2010.36-2maemo15 | 03:42 |
| Anita1 | trying to update to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 | 03:43 |
| merlin1991 | apt-cache policy hildon-desktop | 03:43 |
| Anita1 | done, waiting to finish the job | 03:44 |
| merlin1991 | I meant tell me what it says | 03:44 |
| merlin1991 | that command just displays a lil stuff | 03:45 |
| Anita1 | yep, just got output | 03:45 |
| Anita1 | installed : 1:2.2.142-14 | 03:45 |
| merlin1991 | and the candidates line? | 03:46 |
| Anita1 | hmm. wait. this will get some longer than I think, by typing it manually | 03:46 |
| Anita1 | none | 03:46 |
| merlin1991 | uh oh | 03:46 |
| merlin1991 | Anita1: mine looks like http://pastebin.com/79a0sR0M, but I'm on stable | 03:47 |
| Anita1 | thanks for the stable version btw, great effort :) thanks to all supporters of CSSU :) | 03:47 |
| merlin1991 | do you really have no candidate line? | 03:47 |
| Anita1 | I have Candidate: (none) | 03:47 |
| merlin1991 | ouch | 03:47 |
| merlin1991 | is the cssu repo still active? | 03:47 |
| Anita1 | must be so, let me check. | 03:48 |
| Anita1 | yep, I see a green dot next to CSSU repo | 03:48 |
| Anita1 | url is http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ , right? | 03:48 |
| merlin1991 | do you have modified hildon-desktop installed for some odd reason? | 03:48 |
| merlin1991 | yep that url is right | 03:49 |
| Anita1 | I had, in past, but I don't know when I did flash last time. | 03:49 |
| LaoLang_cool | scrolling to top/bottom is a pain when at a long list... | 03:49 |
| merlin1991 | just do apt-cache policy modified-hildon-desktop | 03:49 |
| Anita1 | tried to remove modified-hildon-desktop but says there's nothing like that installed. | 03:49 |
| Anita1 | installed: none | 03:50 |
| Anita1 | candidate: none | 03:50 |
| merlin1991 | anything in /etc/apt/preferences ? | 03:50 |
| Anita1 | package: hildon-desktop | 03:51 |
| Anita1 | pin: release a=unstable | 03:51 |
| Anita1 | pin-priority: 1001 | 03:51 |
| Anita1 | that's all. | 03:51 |
| merlin1991 | nuke that and try again | 03:51 |
| Anita1 | I didn't see any info for this problem at wiki page, my search didn't give any result also. okay, got it :) | 03:53 |
| Anita1 | downloading 20k kb data now. :) | 03:53 |
| merlin1991 | you practically pinned hildon-desktop to something that doesn't exist with a priority that nukes any installation of another hildon-desktop | 03:54 |
| Anita1 | thanks! :) is there any profile switcher widget anyway, have to change profiles so often, doing it from menu can be pain sometimes | 03:54 |
| merlin1991 | so far, I think someone was working on ne but dunno | 03:55 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ping | 03:55 |
| merlin1991 | s/so far/so far not/ | 03:55 |
| Anita1 | yeah, I couldn't update to one that was before this release | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: pong | 03:56 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I remember you posting that thread about profile switching research, got it still handy somewhere? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh, sorry nope | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I started that thread? the it is simple as I started few | 03:57 |
| Anita1 | I think I saw something like my need on my-maemo or sth like that. But it wasn't filling my need completely.. | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=11881767 | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I think I joined in to some rant about tweakr etc | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has been mentioned on MWKN | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: http://www.mwkn.net/2011/19/apps.html | 04:03 |
| merlin1991 | thanks | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=998070#post998070 | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU thread ;-P | 04:05 |
| merlin1991 | you mean that abdomination of a general purpouse forum inside a thread thing? | 04:07 |
| merlin1991 | s/purpouse/purpose/ | 04:07 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: you mean that abdomination of a general purpose forum inside a thread thing? | 04:07 |
| merlin1991 | dang I need my 2nd n900 | 04:08 |
| merlin1991 | it's shipping from the us and should be here by now :/ | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 04:08 |
| merlin1991 | can't go and talk about stable/not stabale testing components if I can't even run testing ffs | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, regarding profiles, I seem to start recalling a few details, so what do you wanna know? | 04:08 |
| merlin1991 | I was only wondering how far people got with it | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems it stalled, like so many things | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: any idea how to debug the network thing in Maemo5? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | too few parameters, doesn't compute | 04:10 |
| merlin1991 | the cssu stable announce gave me an insane posts to thanks ratio xD | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | The thanks are a lie! | 04:11 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: are they like cake? | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I once was beyond 6 thanks / post. not anymore though | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | lol | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: GPRS6 stopped working. How do I find out why? :p | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | What is GPRS6? | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | A provider? | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | a typo | 04:12 |
| merlin1991 | currently at 17 posts to 109 thanks :P | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: a network type | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: GPRS with IPv6 | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Does GPRS/2G work? | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not sure it's supposed to | 04:13 |
| * luke-jr tries | 04:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hardcore network tools like e.g. ping, to interface, via IPv6? | 04:13 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: your media player thread has 666 posts | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | blah, no signal inside… | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no good when the network applet refuses to connect | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never knew maemo would support native IPv6 | 04:14 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: me either until I had to reflash it :o | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, refusal to connect seems rather unrelated to IVvX | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | IPvN | 04:15 |
| luke-jr | weird thing I noticed too: on wifi, it doesn't do IPv6 | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | there's a link-local v6 on wifi, but no WAN | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea about all this | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I admit I rarely ever looked into IPv6 | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I know a few basics, but no experience | 04:18 |
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| * SpeedEvil argues for IPv3. | 04:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | There are too many people on the internet. | 04:18 |
| ThreeM | :) | 04:19 |
| Anita1 | btw, I have one more issue. When I reboot, I can't connect anything-nothing shows up. I had set it to unload wifi drivers when it boots. When I click to load wifi driver, it turns to normal, then I can see GPRS and wifi connections. After I click to unload wifi driver again, everything is normal, can't see wifi connections but GPRS ones. At the beginning I don't see any of them. | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | GPRS[4] works fine | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>I had set it to unload wifi drivers when it boots.<< errr what? | 04:20 |
| Anita1 | via a program, that sits above orientation lock :) | 04:21 |
| Anita1 | I suspect that causes trouble though. | 04:21 |
| luke-jr | great, now wifi no work either | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | re profiles widget: I think you could get a few queenbeecon buttons to send dbus profile-switch cmds. If that works then the dbus cmd shall be in wiki phone-control | 04:24 |
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| luke-jr | what would I strace for network applet? :| | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ICD2 ? | 04:26 |
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| luke-jr | it seems to just tell something else to do it over dbus :| | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask jonwil, he looked into that stuff recently | 04:28 |
| luke-jr | jonwil, wil thou help me? :P | 04:28 |
| * luke-jr wonders if a cold reboot would help | 04:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | coldboot sometimes helps wonders | 04:29 |
| jonwil | hmmm, I dont know anything about the GPRS plugin | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | <luke-jr> what would I strace for network applet? | 04:29 |
| Anita1 | will dig some info for queenbeecon now. Never had it on my n900 :o | 04:29 |
| jonwil | icd2 is what actually does the work of connecting and disconnecting | 04:30 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: first check if profiles actually can get switched via dbus | 04:30 |
| jonwil | Best place to start is dbus | 04:30 |
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| jonwil | use dbus-monitor to log what the network switcher applet sends to icd2 | 04:31 |
| luke-jr | there's a long pause after 'before QuickConnect' | 04:31 |
| jonwil | if you can find that, I can possibly find out more about what icd2 does with those dbus calls | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Profiles | 04:32 |
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| luke-jr | QuickConnect failed ((null)): Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: I prefer desktop execution widget, QB is way too oversophisticated | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: actually it took me 30min to set up a button on QB, while same thing on DEW takes 30s to set up | 04:33 |
| Anita1 | it worked, nice. :) | 04:34 |
| Anita1 | have you got any idea for connections issue btw? | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hm? | 04:35 |
| Anita1 | the load unload thing that I told | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have no clue what you even meant by your statement I quoted | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard of unloading something on boot | 04:36 |
| Anita1 | not on the boot actually | 04:36 |
| Anita1 | when it cames to desktop | 04:36 |
| luke-jr | "Service option not subscribed" | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 04:36 |
| Anita1 | couldn't tell it in english, lol. | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I never thought about unloading any connection driver or sth | 04:37 |
| Anita1 | can someone explain wth is "cames". it is 4.37am here, my brain a lil bit juicy. | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: I dunno what you do and esp WHY | 04:38 |
| Anita1 | well, it was for the radiation, plus battery saving idea. | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WLAN gets switched off by unloading the wl1251.ko module | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but ICD2 does that for you | 04:39 |
| Anita1 | I nearly don't use wifi on n900, so choose to unload it | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been a short while where it didn't, somewhere shortly after PR1.0.1 or sth | 04:39 |
| Anita1 | the program that I mentioned was advanced interface switcher | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | which caused the bug of "battery drains like hell when WLAN not associated to AP | 04:40 |
| psycho_oreos | you could probably also blacklist wl12{xx,51} module so that it would not get loaded at subsequent bootups | 04:41 |
| Anita1 | for wlan, I removed the tick for enable on startup. thats all. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: that's a funny idea, but not really useful | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | simply disable WLAN all together | 04:41 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, not at all but heck, someone wants to save power then that's one of the more extreme measures :D | 04:42 |
| Anita1 | what you mean, disable wlan all together? does AIS not do it? | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: as mentioned before, ICD2 unloads that module every 5 minutes when you said "check for wlan availability interval: 5min" | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | when you disable WLAN then the module never gets loaded | 04:43 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh I didn't know that, I thought ICD2 would not do something like iwlist wlan0 scan every 5 or minutes interval | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: that function in this AIS app is cruft | 04:44 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't use AIS so I wouldn't know | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 04:44 |
| psycho_oreos | plus I hardly ever had the need to disable wireless because I use it almost every time | 04:44 |
| Anita1 | hm. that looked handy for me actually, pity it is not much effective then | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | what I know however is my syslog that shows module and iw1251 firmware loading logs every 10 min | 04:45 |
| psycho_oreos | there are plenty of ways to save battery power.. stuff like autodisconnect and setting brightness levels down to minimum, etc helps | 04:46 |
| psycho_oreos | even lower backlight timeout | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so simply uncheck the "automatically switch to WLAN if available" checkbox in settings->internet and all is fine | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Backlight - on the lower levels - is almost unimportant - the screen being on uses lots of power | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | auto-disconnect is quite questionable as well | 04:48 |
| psycho_oreos | probably also change the connect automatically to `always ask' as well | 04:48 |
| * luke-jr wonders why monitor mode can't sniff 3-4 channels at the same time | 04:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Hardware limits. | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Or firmware. | 04:48 |
| psycho_oreos | that's because the wireless only has one radio | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: but the channels overlap :| | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: You can hear 4 people at once. | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And pay attention to one of them. | 04:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Now, why can't you pay attention to all of them speaking at once? | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I can | 04:49 |
| Anita1 | my brightness level is at 2, I don't stay connected when it is not needed, also lock screen when out of use, no need to lower timeout. | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Not and understand multiple people saying different things at the same time. | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | difficult for 2, impossible for 4 | 04:50 |
| psycho_oreos | I've mine set to one and almost always using 2.5G instead of 3 | 04:50 |
| Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; still same here. enabled wifi on startup, did a cold boot and still same. | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes I train my brain by intentionally listening to 2 convos | 04:50 |
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| luke-jr | ok, I admit I probably can't do 4… | 04:50 |
| Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; Booted, clicked opera, clicked a webpage, it directly said connection error, not even asking which connection to choose | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: uninstall this AIS cruft | 04:51 |
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| Anita1 | noooooooooooooo :'( | 04:51 |
| Anita1 | damn, ok. | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it sounds like a very poorly designed app to me | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | there's no way that radio interferance could break only IPv6, right? | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's using deprecated or obsolete methods to cure problems that are dead since long time | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: right | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: but since a lot of the TCP/IP stack for GSM is inside the modem, I can only guess what might go wrong when trying to use IPv& over cellular | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it was working fine before today | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | IPv6 | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe your carrier messed up things today? | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | who knows | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | maybe. I emailed them. | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you on Diaspora btw? | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had the problem 2G didn't work for 1 week. Then I rebooted ;-P | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nfc what you're saying | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably I'm not | 04:56 |
| pabs3 | Diaspora is like Facebook but open source and federated | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | please help me out - what for was that facebook thing again? I only know I won't touch it with a 10 ft pole | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | cold boot didn't help | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it's like slow IRC | 04:58 |
| psycho_oreos | more like a perverted version of tmo | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, well I got fast IRC | 04:59 |
| psycho_oreos | there's no thanks! button, there's only like button | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I try to avoid tmo as much as possible | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | :P | 04:59 |
| pabs3 | whats wrong with tmo? | 04:59 |
| merlin1991 | lmao fb == perverted tmo | 04:59 |
| merlin1991 | awesome | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 04:59 |
| infobot | tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes | 04:59 |
| merlin1991 | and no fb is not framebuffer ;) | 05:00 |
| merlin1991 | ~cssu | 05:00 |
| infobot | it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 05:00 |
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| Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; I managed to do it via desktop command execution widget, profile widget ;) | 05:00 |
| merlin1991 | ~worldpeace | 05:00 |
| * luke-jr emerge tcpdump | 05:01 | |
| merlin1991 | dang, there goes that chance | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | infobot: worldpeace is found only in Jesus Christ | 05:01 |
| infobot | luke-jr: okay | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | ~worldpeace | 05:01 |
| infobot | from memory, worldpeace is found only in Jesus Christ | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: fixed | 05:01 |
| LaoLang_cool | mypaint is very slow... | 05:01 |
| LaoLang_cool | Any other app recommended? | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | gimp | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | Krita | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | KolourPaint perhaps | 05:02 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: even bloat I think! | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: any tips on avoiding the USB port breaking btw? | 05:02 |
| LaoLang_cool | luke-jr: will have a try, thank you | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usb-fix | 05:02 |
| infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf, how often I fixed that crap?? | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 05:03 |
| infobot | [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 05:03 |
| LaoLang_cool | no search result with krita and KolourPaint :( | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaah | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget usb-fix | 05:03 |
| infobot | i forgot usb-fix, DocScrutinizer | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usb-fix is <reply>see usbfix | 05:04 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 05:04 |
| psycho_oreos | ~usb-fix | 05:04 |
| infobot | rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 05:04 |
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| luke-jr | so which solution is safest? :\ | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | soldering | 05:09 |
| Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; I did it ;) working flawlessly. ;) | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ^^^ | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: the last one was about connections | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | not about profiles | 05:10 |
| Anita1 | ah, ok then, I'm all ears. | 05:10 |
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| Anita1 | "If "boolean:true" at the end, one-line notification saying "No saved connections available" appears. Maybe affects more than that? Most likely, boolean:true leads to using saved connections if there are any, and boolean:false forces to display the connection dialog. " | 05:14 |
| Anita1 | "Connect (show change connection UI) | 05:14 |
| Anita1 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd_ui /com/nokia/icd_ui com.nokia.icd_ui.show_conn_dlg boolean:false | 05:14 |
| Anita1 | " | 05:14 |
| Anita1 | I only see these related | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's not as helpful as I thought | 05:16 |
| Anita1 | uninstalled and it is still not connecting anything. great. will try dbus command now. | 05:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer blames self to not have added the "switch >use wifi if available< dbus cmd" | 05:17 | |
| Anita1 | :p | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: this app might have seiously messed up your data accounts | 05:18 |
| Anita1 | data accounts? | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | internet connections | 05:20 |
| Anita1 | tried the dbus command, connection dialog pops up, says there's no connection, my GPRS connection is not in the list. | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | the data sets describing ways to access internet for the ICD2 connection manager | 05:21 |
| Anita1 | I see the light. The light of re-flash. | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | go to settings->internet->connections. See if you can tidy up your GPRS connection there | 05:22 |
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| Anita1 | there's nothing wrong there. | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | something with the guts of ICD2 is messed up | 05:23 |
| Anita1 | Let me try to explain again, if I try to connect just after startup nothing happens, can't even choose which connection to use. But if I load wifi driver, then everything is ok, can unload wifi after that, it is just as to be. | 05:24 |
| Anita1 | have to install AIS again, have no internet connection. great =) | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, wifi driver is not supposed to get unloaded by any non-osso random app | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so obviously AIS messed up a lot of things | 05:26 |
| Anita1 | probably. | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a mission to do things that are not really needed or would make any sense at all | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems AIS should get kicked from extras if it's there | 05:28 |
| Anita1 | can be another thing that causes this too, I don't know when it started | 05:29 |
| Anita1 | well, I have a non-connectable n900 now. Any idea? | 05:30 |
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| Anita1 | need the deb file, only way out here I see. How to get the deb file then? | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/a/advanced-interface-switcher/advanced-interface-switcher_0.3.8-3_all.deb | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/advanced-interface-switcher/0.3.8-3/ | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/advanced-interface-switcher/ | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a shitty app that breaks connectivity so badly on simple uninstalling | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anita1: copy to phone via mass storage mode | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless that'S broken now as well ;-P | 05:39 |
| Anita1 | the problem is not leaving user desperate for connections, problem is itself, messing up things about connections which is critical for N900 | 05:39 |
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| Anita1 | yeah. back in action now. | 05:39 |
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| Anita1 | I'm afraid I'll use it as it is now. Not even have time to report the bug :S it is 5.40am here, must sleep some time, after that need to study SOME time, damn. | 05:40 |
| Anita1 | can you do it for me Doc? | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh well, 0.3.5.1 was like 14 months ago. around that time there might have been an excuse to unload wl1251 driver | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | do what, kick that devel' | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | s ass about it? | 05:41 |
| Anita1 | lol, it is up to you | 05:42 |
| Anita1 | it is handy actually | 05:42 |
| Anita1 | pity it caused some trouble | 05:42 |
| Anita1 | can you raise a bug for this app? | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | there have been other apps that did something pretty useful but alas the wrong way. Sometimes devels are interested, sometimes not | 05:43 |
| Anita1 | ok now it refuses to open settings window. truly buggy app. | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | in this case I would need to install the crappy app to get to know what it does and how it does that, or I had to study the friggin sourcecode to the last line. Can't see any of both happening in the near future | 05:44 |
| Anita1 | well, gotta go now. Thanks for all your help :) | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 05:45 |
| Anita1 | this app has an developer, right? | 05:45 |
| Anita1 | *a | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | good luck, and consider an occasional reflash | 05:45 |
| Anita1 | simply sending a message should bring him to duty :p | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kirill Plyashkevich | 05:45 |
| Anita1 | yeah, I'll do reflash, but 1 week later | 05:46 |
| Anita1 | see you next time, bye :) | 05:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wit a proper backup to re-install all or most of your apps, a reflash is painless | 05:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 05:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | (or most) not AIS though :-P | 05:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer can do one thing though | 05:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | thumbs-down | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw since when do pkgs need only 6 promotes (thunbs up)? and isn't there or should there be a rule that maintainers can not vote for their own pkgs? it's silly | 06:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and pretentious | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and this friggin maemo.org/packages interface could need some maintenance - it takes like 120s after clicking "send" on a comment, and if you dare to click again during that time where page is in reload limbo, the commet gets sent multiple times :-S | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems like that happened to me 3 or 4 times during last 18 months, so you'd think a) I could finally learn NOT to click again, and b) somebody could finally have fixed that issue | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meego:290 users, #maemo:294 users | 07:34 |
| psycho_oreos | loads more loyal nokia tablet users than a mixture of various devices conglomerated users ;) | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | #meego-handset was awesome: no post since >>one month | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | closed that tab for good now | 07:39 |
| * wiretapped pines for the 770 days | 07:43 | |
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| LaoLang_cool | How to you copy a contact's cell phone? go to the contact then edit it, then copy the phone? | 10:13 |
| LaoLang_cool | Too much steps involved | 10:13 |
| BluesLee | LaoLang_cool: on n9 or n900? | 10:13 |
| LaoLang_cool | BluesLee: N900 | 10:13 |
| BluesLee | the n900 has the advantage that it can import/export contacts as *vcf | 10:14 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sometimes I want to copy the contact's phone number from the interface of sms or phone, but I can't find a way | 10:14 |
| BluesLee | ah okay | 10:14 |
| LaoLang_cool | BluesLee: oh, you misunderstood me | 10:14 |
| BluesLee | in that cases you can click the number and it asks you if you want to add it to your contacts | 10:15 |
| BluesLee | resp add/merge | 10:15 |
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| LaoLang_cool | BluesLee: no the options you mentioned, it has a option to open the contact card, but will let you call/sms to the contact, no add/merge, in sms GUI | 10:17 |
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| LaoLang_cool | oh, maybe the contact has been added as my friend | 10:20 |
| LaoLang_cool | I want to copy my friend's phone number, then use it in other where. | 10:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | The only way I find is to go to the edit gui of contacts then copy the number.... | 10:21 |
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| totalizator | how can I browse main menu with pages instead of scroll? I've seen it somewhere, can't remember where | 11:26 |
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| dm8tbr | I think it was some app that you can install | 11:26 |
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| corecode | hi | 11:40 |
| corecode | i'm trying to get the harmattan sdk to run on my machine | 11:40 |
| corecode | but xephyr stays empty | 11:41 |
| corecode | any idea what this could be? | 11:41 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen jonwil | 11:45 |
| infobot | jonwil is currently on #maemo (15m 38s) #meego (15m 38s) #openmoko-cdevel (15m 38s), last said: 'if you can find that, I can possibly find out more about what icd2 does with those dbus calls'. | 11:45 |
| * jonwil is here | 11:45 | |
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| freemangordon | jonwil, look here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/hildon-input-method-plugins-example/trunk/files | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | those are (almost) fully working | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | including portrait stuff | 11:46 |
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| jonwil | I already saw that | 11:46 |
| jonwil | they are ok but very limited | 11:46 |
| jonwil | dont do any of the special stuff libhildon-im-vkbrenderer does | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | and here https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=tips | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | why limited? | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | I mean those are working examples | 11:47 |
| jonwil | limited because they dont do the fancy stuff libhildon-im-vkbrenderer does | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | instead of RE vkb-renderer, I think we can just re-write th functionality in in. | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | which one? | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | what is that fancy stuff | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | ? | 11:48 |
| jonwil | not 100% sure | 11:48 |
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| freemangordon | dictionary search is not in vkb-renderer | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | AIUI | 11:49 |
| freemangordon | what needs to be done is an implementation of .vkb parser | 11:49 |
| jonwil | yeah if/when I clone that renderer I will use bits of code from hildon-input-method-plugins-examle | 11:50 |
| jonwil | there is more in the vkb files than you think | 11:50 |
| freemangordon | which we already have in python | 11:50 |
| jonwil | best way to do vkb is to just use libimlayouts directly | 11:50 |
| jonwil | I have a .h file for that | 11:50 |
| freemangordon | I know what is in .vkb files, trust me on that | 11:50 |
| jonwil | I also know | 11:50 |
| jonwil | the main thing hildon-input-method-plugins-example is missing are things to handle the correct key size and position and margin stuff from the vkb files | 11:51 |
| freemangordon | so, what it is so special? layouts for two modes plus layout for keyboard which appear when you press blue arrow - sym | 11:52 |
| freemangordon | btw .vkb files has support for portrait AFAIK | 11:52 |
| jonwil | I need to dig back into hildon-im-vkbrenderer a bit more to see what funky bits it does | 11:53 |
| freemangordon | why, if I remember correctly button/font sizes are written in .vkb file itself, no need for calculations | 11:53 |
| jonwil | yes they are | 11:53 |
| jonwil | but hildon-input-method-plugins-example doesnt do anything with them | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | of course they don't :) . | 11:54 |
| jonwil | so the logic for parsing that data and computing exact position of where to draw needs to be written | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | yes | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | but it is not a rocket science | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | we have a python code already doing that | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | almost that. | 11:55 |
| jonwil | also, hildon-input-method-plugins-example plugs in at a much higher level than libhildon-im-vkbrenderer | 11:55 |
| freemangordon | sure | 11:55 |
| jonwil | trust me, hildon-input-method-plugins-example is good and has some stuff we can pinch | 11:56 |
| jonwil | but its not the magic bullet you seem to think it is | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | no | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | I don't think it is a magic bullet | 11:56 |
| jonwil | not if we want to be feature complete with libhildon-im-vkbrenderer | 11:56 |
| jonwil | anyhow, I plan to dig into libhildon-im-vkbrenderer soon | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | and vkb-renderer stuf has to be implementd | 11:56 |
| jonwil | and finish my work on it | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | but no need to RE it | 11:56 |
| jonwil | or continue | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | just re-implement the functionality | 11:57 |
| jonwil | I already have most of it reverse engineered anyway | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | wow, why didn't you tell me that yesterday when i said I am going to RE it | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | :) | 11:57 |
| jonwil | well I dont have it reverse enginereed, I just have it mostly layed out in IDA :P | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | which binary are you using arm or 386 | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | ? | 11:58 |
| jonwil | x86 | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | and does your IDA have c pseudocode analyser? | 11:59 |
| jonwil | x86 is easier to reverse engineer than ARM | 11:59 |
| jonwil | and yes I have hexrays :) | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | yeah, i know :) | 11:59 |
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| Macer | heh | 12:20 |
| Macer | get arm hexrays | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | why, x86 assembler is easier than arm (or at least better known) | 12:22 |
| jonwil | I would get arm hexrays if I could afford the thousands of dollars it costs :P | 12:22 |
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| AminCX | hi there, what is the connection between GPS and GSM Module ? both are not working. | 12:25 |
| jonwil | GPS is handled by the cell modem on the N900 | 12:25 |
| jonwil | there is code on the main CPU that talks to the cell modem GPS logic | 12:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | GPS is really really slow here, in the case of without the asistance of networking | 12:26 |
| AminCX | i can enable and disable the location on settings but there is no satellite icon on the top, and phone functionality is neither working . and i failed flashing and it was still on the line flashing done ... and no CMT flashed successful message . | 12:29 |
| AminCX | so what is it ? the hardware or the software ? (N900) | 12:29 |
| jonwil | If flashing is failing, that suggests a hardware problem | 12:30 |
| AminCX | maybe the power problem ? and i have to say that month ago i dropped it to the water(a little water on the ground) . | 12:31 |
| AminCX | so how can i test that if it's a hardware problem and both modules are dead or off ? | 12:32 |
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| Macer | There are no native land mammals on St Helena, but rabbits, rats and mice have been introduced, as well as feral cats and dogs. | 12:39 |
| Macer | wow | 12:39 |
| Macer | no native mammals... that's crazy :) | 12:40 |
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| Macer | As a result, the string tree (Acalypha rubrinervis) and the St Helena olive (Nesiota elliptica) are now extinct, and many of the other endemic plants are threatened with extinction. | 12:41 |
| Macer | great.. guess no st helena martini for me ever again. damn humans. | 12:41 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thanks to introduce the script of searching contacts on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=990571#post990571, if I need to search contact by cellphone number, how to modify the script? if c.get_property("cellphone") == options.nick_name: ? | 13:14 |
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| * jonwil has decided to abandon plans to work on Nokia Maps stuff, the Nokia Maps binary blobs are just too complex to figure out | 14:53 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Suspected so. | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | are you talking about n900 nokia maps? | 14:57 |
| cityLights | is there a way to balance the n900 volume on each ear? | 14:57 |
| jonwil | yes | 14:57 |
| jonwil | N900 nokia maps blobs | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | cityLights: it should be same by default | 14:58 |
| LaoLang_cool | hi, what's the name of "get started"? I want to purge it from n900 | 14:58 |
| cityLights | suppose i want to test each ear? | 14:58 |
| SpeedEvil | welcome-tutorial LaoLang_cool? | 14:59 |
| LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil: dpkg-query --list | grep welcome doesn't show it... | 15:00 |
| jonwil | its called osso-startup-wizard | 15:01 |
| jonwil | thats the one that sets the time and language and stuff on first start | 15:02 |
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| jonwil | oh and I finally got my N900 to join my WiFi network with wireless security turned ON | 15:02 |
| jonwil | YAY | 15:02 |
| LaoLang_cool | jonwil: oh, I need the startup-wizard | 15:02 |
| jonwil | what is it you want to remove then? | 15:03 |
| LaoLang_cool | jonwil: click the `get started' will launch a video of the introduce to N900 | 15:05 |
| Pali | jonwil: I added slovak sk_SK language to /usr/share/osso-startup-wizard/sysinfo-lang.data but not working | 15:05 |
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| Pali | startup wizard does not see it | 15:05 |
| jonwil | oh that one is tutorial-home-applet | 15:06 |
| jonwil | hmmm, I dont know then pali | 15:06 |
| Pali | I used strings to see that is in that nokia binary | 15:06 |
| Pali | but I do not see hardcoded languages... | 15:06 |
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| Pali | it must be loaded from other config/binary file | 15:07 |
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| jonwil | searching my n900 file dump now looking for references to de_DE (one of the stock languages) | 15:08 |
| LaoLang_cool | jonwil: that's it, thanks. Can osso-tutorial* be removed safely? | 15:08 |
| jonwil | its not osso-tutorial | 15:08 |
| Pali | yes, here are 4 langs: de_DE, es_ES, fr_FR, pt_PT | 15:09 |
| jonwil | its tutorial-home-applet | 15:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | jonwil: yes, I've removed it, I also find there are pkgs named osso-tutorial* | 15:09 |
| Pali | but osso-startup-wizzard always show me cs_CZ | 15:09 |
| jonwil | those are language packages for it | 15:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | ah, it's lanuages for osso-startup-wizzard? | 15:09 |
| jonwil | no for osso-tutorial | 15:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | osso-tutorial? I don't find it on my n900... where is it? | 15:10 |
| jonwil | wait no | 15:10 |
| jonwil | osso-tutorial-l10n-* are language packs for tutorial-home-applet | 15:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | jonwil: oh, but apt-get purge tutorial-home-applet* doesn't say they're the depends of it. | 15:11 |
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| jonwil | they are | 15:12 |
| jonwil | as for references to de_DE, so far I haven't found any that could be related to osso-startup-wizzard | 15:13 |
| LaoLang_cool | jonwil: thank you, purging them :) | 15:14 |
| jonwil | actually lets search for fr_FR, less chance of false positives that way :) | 15:14 |
| Pali | I'm searching for string cs_CZ in whole system... maybe I find someting | 15:15 |
| LaoLang_cool | Is there a easy way to purge all language packs except for English? | 15:15 |
| jonwil | nope, dont know of one | 15:15 |
| LaoLang_cool | jonwil: oh | 15:16 |
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| jonwil | ok, 220 hits for fr_FR | 15:17 |
| jonwil | make that 221 :) | 15:17 |
| jonwil | ok, I think we can ignore those that reference hildon-input-method as those arent what we are looking for | 15:18 |
| jonwil | so thats some gconf stuff for h-i-m | 15:18 |
| jonwil | references in the repo package lists, no we can ignore that | 15:18 |
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| Pali | jonwil: nothing relevant to cs_CZ in maemo rootfs image | 15:26 |
| jonwil | pali, what do you get if you open xterm or ssh and type sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/default-language and sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/keyboard-layout and sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/content-region | 15:26 |
| Pali | first: English (British) | 15:27 |
| Pali | second: English, Dutch | 15:27 |
| Pali | third: Britain | 15:27 |
| jonwil | now grepping my source dump[ for cs_CZ | 15:29 |
| jonwil | 4 results so far | 15:29 |
| jonwil | ok, those are hildon-input-method related so we can ignore those | 15:29 |
| jonwil | still searching | 15:30 |
| jonwil | some stuff related to packaging, we can ignore that | 15:31 |
| Pali | I started debuuging that f** osso-startup-wizard application | 15:32 |
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| jonwil | usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver/im.data looks suspicious | 15:32 |
| jonwil | ok, no that next hit is QT, we can ignore that | 15:33 |
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| jonwil | as does other stuff in usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver | 15:34 |
| jonwil | lra_language.data and lra_regional.data | 15:34 |
| jonwil | so the stuff in usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver and the stuff in usr/share/osso_startup_wizard seem to be where the interesting stuff is | 15:36 |
| jonwil | and no I dont know how to edit the stuff in i18n_locale_resolver | 15:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer moos a bit | 15:36 | |
| jonwil | because the libs in question are closed source :( | 15:36 |
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| Pali | jonwil: file /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver/lra_language.data looks like that is config for that osso wizard | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: could you pin http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80392 please | 15:42 |
| Pali | and that file is binary :-( | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | er make sticky? | 15:42 |
| jonwil | checking now for all things that read /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver | 15:42 |
| jonwil | ok, the data is read by libi18n-locale-resolver.so.0 | 15:45 |
| Pali | when I moved file /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver/lra_language.data startup wizard showed me empy language list | 15:46 |
| Pali | jonwil: somebody told me that binary format of locale-resolver can be extended (by open garage project) | 15:47 |
| Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/locale-resolver-extra/ | 15:48 |
| jonwil | thats for diablo | 15:50 |
| jonwil | not fremantle | 15:50 |
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| jonwil | interestingly libi18n has a dev package | 15:50 |
| jonwil | lets see what that has to say | 15:51 |
| jonwil | nope, that dev package doesnt help | 15:51 |
| Pali | source code of that extra package is here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/l/locale-resolver-extra/ | 15:52 |
| Pali | and maybe format is not changed | 15:52 |
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| jonwil | doesnt appear to have changed | 15:56 |
| jonwil | so try playing with that package and seeing if that helps | 15:57 |
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| jonwil | the only users of that locale data are the startup wizard, hildon-input-method-configurator and the language/regional control panel | 16:13 |
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| Pali | jonwil: OK, If it work, I will create fremantle package for changing that files | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey jonwil, old hax0r. How about having a look into the way Nokia is managing lockcode since PR1.3? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for fun | 16:18 |
| jonwil | not interested in that | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | *shrug* | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought it could be fun to learn how it works now | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and not very hard to do | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | what we know (IIRC) is that since PR1.3 you have to reflash both rootfs and eMMC to reset lockcode | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm curious how they implemented that, seems they would need some kind of cookie or whatever on eMMC, that gets toggled on flashing eMMC | 16:24 |
| jonwil | do you know which binary or binaries I would need to look at for that? | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no f'ing clue what process checks lockcode on boot | 16:26 |
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| jonwil | ok | 16:26 |
| jonwil | not going to look into it then | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:27 |
| jonwil | if I can find out the right binary to look at, I might take a look | 16:27 |
| jonwil | Although really I should be trying to finish as much of my work as possible before I go on holidays on the 13th of december | 16:27 |
| Macer | damnit i need my new glasses to get delivered to pearle already | 16:27 |
| Macer | i hate waiting on them. and all i have are 1 pair of contacts | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then we are somewhat on same page, I already phrased the strace infocation in my mind | 16:27 |
| jonwil | The good thing about going on holidays is that I can get even more cell tower names and IDs for my logging :) | 16:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer blinds Macer with a laser | 16:28 | |
| jonwil | since I will be talking to celltowers I have never talked to with my N900 before | 16:28 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i probably wouldn't see it ;) | 16:28 |
| Macer | i took the contacts out | 16:28 |
| jonwil | in fact towers I have never talked to at all :) | 16:28 |
| Macer | and am lying in bed wishing i had some damn glasses to put on | 16:28 |
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| jonwil | since I changed carriers since I last went to this place :) | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: your trxt-to-speech setup in N900 irc client is awesome ;-D | 16:30 |
| Macer | hahahha | 16:31 |
| Macer | do they have it for terminal too so i can use irssi? | 16:31 |
| Macer | i'm sure that is synth chaos | 16:31 |
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| kerio | Macer: wait, you have text-to-speech for IRC? | 16:50 |
| kerio | Macer: PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS | 16:50 |
| jonwil | ok, so locale-resolver-extra means the hard-coded stuff related to language and locale can be edited now | 17:00 |
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| Sicelo | cityLights: alsamixer -c0 for adjusting your earphone balance. careful though. | 17:33 |
| cityLights | thanks Sicelo | 17:42 |
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| Sicelo | yw | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | won't persist, so probably gets annoying pretty fast | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA is so..... *BEEEP* | 18:07 |
| Sicelo | :P | 18:07 |
| Sicelo | btw, what is hildon-initscripts? | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | improvement by hiding complexity... works nice as long as you don't need the complexity that's there for some reason | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as soon as your "complex requirements" are getting as complex as setting balance L/R, you start to CURSE friggin PA | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reminds me at uper high-end audiophile amps, where the designers had a hard time to give it a volume dial ;-P - according to paradigm "nothing is going to adulterate the pure sound" | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp funny when you find all the potentiometers for the balance/treble/bass/whatnot dials behind the front cover with cut off axes so they won't come to the outside | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is what PA is doing, basically | 18:13 |
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| vi__ | hello | 18:51 |
| vi__ | swap on SD. Is it worth it? | 18:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Maby. I'd try to get it setup to where it will use /both/ swap on SD and eMMC at once, for double the throughput | 18:54 |
| robbiethe1st | i.e. alternate blocks, raid-style | 18:55 |
| vi__ | robbiethe1st: I am aware that you can set the priority the same however I do not know if it truly behaves like a raid. | 18:56 |
| vi__ | I lament the fact n900 cannot use a swapfile | 18:57 |
| robbiethe1st | I think it can; remember, you can always mount a file as a loopback, so there shouldn't be a problem there | 18:58 |
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| robbiethe1st | May require PK, though | 18:59 |
| vi__ | I run nothing less! | 19:00 |
| vi__ | Just got compcache on the go... | 19:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Is it in a repo yet? | 19:00 |
| vi__ | how to kill a process that just won't die? | 19:01 |
| vi__ | The module comes with kp49 | 19:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, nice! | 19:01 |
| vi__ | You grap rzconfigure from the repo. | 19:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Nice | 19:01 |
| vi__ | I spunked a wad in my pants | 19:02 |
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| vi__ | robbiethe1st: how to mount swapfile as loopback? | 19:06 |
| vi__ | mount -o loop /path/to/swapfile /mnt | 19:06 |
| vi__ | ? | 19:06 |
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| vi__ | FilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition78642411700-1 /dev/loop4 partition99920-2 | 19:08 |
| vi__ | w00t | 19:08 |
| vi__ | (I will never risk partitioning an SD card again! | 19:09 |
| vi__ | robbiethe1st: this next shot of whisky is for you. | 19:09 |
| * vi__ gulp! | 19:10 | |
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| robbiethe1st | vi__, erm, can't find package rzconfig | 19:31 |
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| vi__ | robbiethe1st: apologies, it is calld 'compcache-tools' | 19:44 |
| vi__ | also be sure to allocate a disksize that is ^2 | 19:44 |
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| vi__ | insmod /lib/modules/current/ramzswap.ko disksize_kb=65536 | 19:44 |
| vi__ | for example | 19:45 |
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| tramp | Does anyone know how to set up the n900 as a USB router? | 22:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | Do you mean a USB modem? | 22:27 |
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| tramp | sort of, it just relays its own broadband signal | 22:27 |
| tramp | here: | 22:27 |
| tramp | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | you plug it into a computer, select 'pc-suite mode, and configure it like you would any other 3g modem | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the easy way | 22:28 |
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| tramp | well, i dont have network-manager installed | 22:29 |
| tramp | i figured it wold show up as a device on the pc | 22:29 |
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| Sicelo | wvdial, pppconfig, or plain pppd will do as well | 22:30 |
| tramp | i mean ifconfig rather | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Nope. | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a serial modem, basically. | 22:30 |
| * SpeedEvil uses plain pppd with a /etc/ppp config file. | 22:30 | |
| tramp | darn | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Written by hand. | 22:30 |
| * SpeedEvil is oldskool. | 22:30 | |
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| tramp | ok, and we are talking about the same thing, right, using the phone as a wifi adapter | 22:31 |
| tramp | essengtially | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | No - as a 3G modem | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | no. this won't use wifi | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry for the confusion. | 22:32 |
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| tramp | i dont have a service plan | 22:32 |
| tramp | np | 22:32 |
| tramp | i have to relay the traffic from the wifi | 22:33 |
| Sicelo | so what happens when u follow the steps in that wiki? | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so that wiki page either should get a better title "N900_as_USB_WLAN_AP/client-adapter" | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | or I got sth completely wrong | 22:34 |
| tramp | its for a linux live flash drive, so i can boot linux without worrying whether some network card is compatible, i can use the n900 as an adapter | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaah | 22:35 |
| Sicelo | so u haven't tried the steps yet? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | nifty | 22:35 |
| tramp | the wiki seems to use iptables and dnsmasq to make the phone act as a router or adapter | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it won't pan out, as for booting from a image on N900 AIUI you need mass storage mode, while for your network adapter idea you need PC Suite mode | 22:36 |
| tramp | ive done all the steps but its not working in and of itself | 22:36 |
| tramp | DocScrutinizer: the flash drive is a separate device | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 22:37 |
| Sicelo | we still don't know what happens when u try that :) | 22:37 |
| tramp | i think im missing something on the pc side but i wouldnt know | 22:37 |
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| Sicelo | ifconfig -a should at least show a usb0 iface | 22:38 |
| tramp | i figure the kernel-power version wouldnt break it | 22:38 |
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| Sicelo | not the usb0 thing, at least | 22:38 |
| tramp | on the pc ifconfig -a shows usb0 and usbpn0 | 22:38 |
| Sicelo | aha.. and does usb0 get assigned some iP? | 22:39 |
| tramp | /dev/ttyACM0 is also created, but thats with or without the steps | 22:39 |
| tramp | checking... | 22:39 |
| tramp | i think no | 22:39 |
| tramp | just a HWaddr | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so you may want to up it | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and assign an IP | 22:41 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly what ttyACM0 actually exposes. Direct modem via pnatd? a shell? | 22:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even a console?? :-o | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | i think it's equal to /dev/ttyUSB0 on other kernels/distros | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 22:44 |
| tramp | BROADCAST MULTICAST | 22:44 |
| tramp | Ethernet | 22:44 |
| tramp | if that makes sense | 22:44 |
| tramp | testing hello? | 22:44 |
| tramp | testing hello? | 22:44 |
| tramp | testing hello? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 22:44 |
| Sicelo | 0.0 | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: doesn't answer my wondering | 22:45 |
| tramp | when i plugged it in i forgot it effectivelydisconnects me | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter whether it's called ttyACM0 or ttyUSB0, what does it expose? | 22:45 |
| Sicelo | well, u know these things better :) | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you maybe already connected to it, so you knew | 22:46 |
| Sicelo | to me, it's just a modem, same as any other usb dongle :P | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: so probably pnatd-alike direct modem access | 22:46 |
| * Sicelo is now starting to get what DocScrutinizer is saying ) | 22:47 | |
| Sicelo | at1 ;) | 22:47 |
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| tramp | ive tried ifup usb0, but it says "Ignoring unknown interface usb0=usb0" | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | this ifup is where? pc or N900? | 22:48 |
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| tramp | pc | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | of course. no usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces | 22:49 |
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| Z3ROC00L | hey people just wondering if its possable to chane user name on maemotalk.com | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer said do something like ifconfig address | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: dnsmasq on n900 can give out ip addresses? | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | rdns? nfc | 22:50 |
| tramp | where does the usb0 go tho, hang on | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: or what do you mean? | 22:51 |
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| Sicelo | that wiki page says pc should get ip address automatically | 22:51 |
| tramp | ok | 22:51 |
| tramp | yeah | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Z3ROC00L: no | 22:52 |
| tramp | ifconfig usb0 <ipaddr> | 22:52 |
| tramp | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device | 22:53 |
| tramp | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device | 22:53 |
| tramp | lol | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | u have usb0 when doing ifconfig -a? weird | 22:53 |
| tramp | wait let me plug the phone back in | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | heh | 22:54 |
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| Sicelo | yeah, dnsmasq is a dhcp server.. nice :) | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, yes | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | your question >>dnsmasq on n900 can give out ip addresses?<< was a tiny bit ambiguous | 22:55 |
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| Sicelo | :) | 22:56 |
| tramp | no errors with ifconfig actually, it then appears in the ifconfig list, but i cant ping anything | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | route | 22:57 |
| tramp | s/it then/usb0 then/ | 22:57 |
| infobot | tramp meant: no errors with ifconfig actually, usb0 then appears in the ifconfig list, but i cant ping anything | 22:57 |
| tramp | route...ok i feel so smart | 22:58 |
| tramp | im glad to finally be learning route | 22:59 |
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| tramp | dont tell me yet | 22:59 |
| BluesLee | hi, why i cant join #maemo-cssu? | 23:00 |
| * Sicelo has learned 90% of what he knows about linux right on this channel | 23:00 | |
| Sicelo | BluesLee: #maemo-ssu | 23:00 |
| BluesLee | thanks | 23:01 |
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| BluesLee | the camera on the n900 of my wife stopped working after installing newest cssu and kernel power | 23:04 |
| BluesLee | any hints? | 23:04 |
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| tramp | dnsmasq shouldnt change the gateway | 23:13 |
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| tramp | it automatically adds the route - Dest:192.168.1.0 Gateway:* Flags:U IFace:usb0 | 23:19 |
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| tramp | help? | 23:24 |
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| tramp | the routing table looks fine. its just missing a default gateway, but it shouldnt need it to ping other nodes | 23:27 |
| tramp | ifconfig -a | 23:28 |
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| Sicelo | what's ip address for usb0? | 23:36 |
| tramp | whatever i put in ifconfig | 23:36 |
| tramp | 192.168.1.64 | 23:36 |
| tramp | usually | 23:36 |
| tramp | usb0 exists anytime the phone this plugged in, regardless of whether pcsuite mode is enabled | 23:37 |
| Sicelo | looks like something isn't right with your dnsmasq command. do u type it exactly as shown? | 23:38 |
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| Sicelo | (usb0 will appear all the time, until reboot of N900, when u will need to chosee pc suite mode again) | 23:38 |
| tramp | I didnt use the same ip addresses | 23:38 |
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| tramp | instead of 192.168.3.15, I used 192.168.1.15 | 23:40 |
| tramp | and 192.168.1.64,192.168.1.127 | 23:41 |
| tramp | im starting to guess it might have to be in a different c-net | 23:42 |
| tramp | ill try it as written | 23:42 |
| Sicelo | wait. | 23:42 |
| Sicelo | so usb0 on pc is 192.. 64? | 23:42 |
| Sicelo | just paste all of ifconfig usb0 from pc | 23:43 |
| tramp | if i type ifconfig usb0 192.. 64 then thats what it becomes | 23:44 |
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| tramp | no luck with .3 c-net | 23:47 |
| Sicelo | why not paste your ifconfig somewhere? | 23:48 |
| tramp | on the pc? | 23:48 |
| tramp | s/on/for/ | 23:48 |
| infobot | tramp meant: for the pc? | 23:48 |
| Sicelo | yes | 23:49 |
| tramp | just a min... requires copying | 23:51 |
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| tramp | http://pastebin.com/wpUKDu1k | 23:56 |
| tramp | this is before entering ifconfig usb0 192...64 | 23:57 |
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| Sicelo | what's your dnsmasq command? | 23:59 |
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