| DocScrutinizer | to be precise they show up in wireshark on laptop, but seems DHCP server on that crap router ignores them | 00:00 |
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| neal | EPARSE | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | any idea what I could investigate? Booted router 5 times already, and did several /etc/init.d/network reload on PC | 00:01 |
| neal | your set up is not clear to me from your description | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got a DLink router-modem with DHCP server (and some fixed IPs assigned to some MACs), and a laptop conected to that router via ethernet | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the laptop sends out DHCP-REQUEST but doesn't ever get an answer to assign an IP to network card | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install Tomato? | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | DL-515 rev3 or sth, no tomato for that rev AFAIK | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | 615 | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ver: D3 | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | DIR-615 Ver: D3 | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I feel like fetching the sledge hammer | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chwart, crappy hw attitude recalib tool | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | the funny bit: when I assign a hard IP to the eth0 on laptop, it works ;-P | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | the idiot router even all the time asks "who got 192.168.1.30, tell 192.168.1.1" | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but since my laptop didn't get any DHCP-lease yet, it doesn'T know to answer unless I assign 192.168.1.30 hard to the NIC, locally | 00:09 |
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| neal | is the dhcp server listening on that ethernet port? | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is there any (avahi, msdomain, whatever) shit possibly causing a DHCP-server to shut up and not answer DHCP-DISCOVER from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 ? | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: how shall I know? this fsck crap brick router has not even telnet to log in and do something serious | 00:12 |
| neal | get an alix board :-) | 00:12 |
| neal | I can recommend vario as a reseller in .de | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably usining my microwave as DSL-WLAN-router would yield better results than this crappy DIR-615 | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | using* | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | first N9 refused to get a lease via WLAN, then I did a router reset and suddenly N9 got IP and all w/o problems, but since then my laptop blows chunks | 00:14 |
| neal | they also have nice 9db omni antennas | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | 9dB omni -WTF?! | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | active? | 00:15 |
| neal | I have a 20 db sector from them | 00:15 |
| neal | http://shop.varia-store.com/product_info.php?info=p292_Omni-Antenna-9dbi-RP-SMA.html | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, pringles can is easy - but *omni* | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow! | 00:17 |
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| neal | I recommend the alix 2d2, fwiw, then you can have two minipci wlan cards | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, I just remember I had some similar problem with N950 when I first time added that MAC<->IP association to the list of fixed IPs of router, had to remove, and add it again to make it work. Maybe there's sth completely fsckd up, and I should redo config from scratch | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | only problem for now: I'm "broke" till basically end of year | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no alix for me | 00:22 |
| neal | sell your n9 | 00:23 |
| neal | you can trade it for 4 alixes :-) | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | if only this Panasonic CF-25 had an ethenet plug :-/ CPU and RAM were just the right size for a nice linux-based router | 00:24 |
| neal | I hear old openmoko cases are going for 80Euros | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | even "built-in admin console" :-D | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHAT??? | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I AM RICH!!!!!! \o/ | 00:25 |
| neal | the gta04s don't come with a case | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know | 00:25 |
| neal | and "a lot" of people who want them don't have cases | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas they'll need not only a case but also the GSM ant, the tny transparent buttons (2 pcs), and that huge white silly void with speaker inside | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | got no spares of that | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I recently sold a complete GTA02 for 80 bucks | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | incl 2nd space case | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | spare | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sound like a poor deal on hindsight | 00:30 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders how much he could ask for ~600 pcs 470uF SMT capacitors | 00:32 | |
| neal | .34 Euros each | 00:33 |
| neal | plus 20 Euro processing fee | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | good enough for me | 00:33 |
| neal | and 20 Euros for shipping | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | interested? X-P | 00:33 |
| neal | sorry | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5000 pcs BC374? SMT | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe some crunchy chip collection, consisting of S3C2410 Samsiung CPUs, several different NOR chips, RAMs etc? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | all new and unused | 00:39 |
| neal | who sells new and used parts? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/impressions-of-25c3/snc00243_jpg.jpeg.html teaser | 00:40 |
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| vi__ | MohammadAG: yo | 01:03 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: i hope this whole maemo thing is on your CV | 01:04 |
| vi__ | future employers will bust a nut. | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for a starter, yes | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | once you call yourself a "senior <whatever>" it will need az least teamlead of hostmode to make any impression on employers | 01:07 |
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| pigeon | i'm getting errors from the fat filesystem for MyDocs on yhe n900, is it ok to run fsck.vfat on it? or is there other way i could fix it? | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's more reasonable to mount it to PC via mass storage mode and then do the fsck there, it's a bit faster I heard | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but the positive reports about fsck are rare, usually saving all data from MyDocs to some backup medium, then flashing eMMC and then restoring data might be more effective - if you somehow manage to restore /opt after flashing eMMC then you don't even need to flash rootfs | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but that'S tricky as device probably won't boot with /opt nuked due to eMMC flashing, it *might* boot to backupmenu | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I want a smart kbd driver, please a platform independent one, so it can work on x86 linux as well as on ARM fremantle etc | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | what it shall do is for example "on char ' (tick, shift+#) insert a fake key-up event for the shift key" | 02:56 |
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| plate | xmodmap not fancy enuf?? | 03:35 |
| plate | ive had issues mapping right-ctrl with xmodmap, and thats way simpler than fake shift-keyups | 03:35 |
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| plate | can fat map bad flash-blocks? | 03:37 |
| plate | try changing it to jffs2, you'll lose mountability on Windoze over MassStorageMode | 03:38 |
| plate | but maybe everything else will still work | 03:38 |
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| plate | i vaguely remember changing mine to ext3 at one point, and getting case-sensitivity related issues | 03:38 |
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| Macer | well | 03:40 |
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| Macer | seems like creating a 12TB raid 5 takes a long time | 03:41 |
| pronto | D: | 03:45 |
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| villager | plate: from what I understand, the eMMC does the wear-leveling and bad-block remapping on its own and doesn't allow the OS to have direct access to the flash blocks, so there's no point in trying jffs2 | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 03:50 |
| Macer | heh | 03:50 |
| Macer | hello! | 03:50 |
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| luke-jr | villager: poor wear-levelling/remapping | 03:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | And more importantly, non-transparent. | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | So you can't map out bad blocks. | 04:04 |
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| HyperSnyper | anyone know anywhere selling "DT-33" desktop chargers, that will ship to uk | 04:17 |
| HyperSnyper | found a few sellers but all from china, and don't really trust them to be genuine | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plate: you can't do anything about MMC bad blocks. fsck.vfat only will fix messed-up filesystem metadata | 04:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Oddly my emmc hasn't acted up again, and I've been writing *Alot* to it. | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | I did change back to original nokia battery from briefly using my eastmaze battery which has known supertwitchy protection circuit.. | 06:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | not THAT odd | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | Well I also don't know what the error codes returned actually mean | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | (and I've lost them) | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | aborted page erases / writes due to transient brownouts caused by battery nasty | 06:24 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc a page erase is a real power hog | 06:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you were getting sudden power offs? | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | nope | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I said transient :-) | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | the protection circuit has no hysteresis | 06:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd have thought transients couldn't happen that fast without the platform watchdogs kicking in | 06:26 |
| SpeedEvil | the hardware. | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possibly the buffer Cs might not suffice to deal with that | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | welcome to the joys of a *eal* hw QA | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | *real* even | 06:27 |
| ShadowJK | So when it triggered when charging, I'd see charge rate of 400-500mA instead of the normal-ish 700-800, elevated voltage close to 4200mV all the time, and the battery itself getting very warm. | 06:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe. | 06:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning I seemed to recall interrupts from the twl* chip on errors. | 06:28 |
| SpeedEvil | And I'd expect that to be flagged up on syslog. | 06:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Or result in some immediate action | 06:28 |
| SpeedEvil | But maybe not | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | worth evaluating it with a proper programmable lab PSU | 06:29 |
| ShadowJK | btw when Mer was "killing" SmartQ's (the emmc of them), Smartdevices (the maker of SmartQ) replied saying they asked Sandisk and Sandisk said voltage below 3.3 might permanently "brick" the emmc device | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* - occasionally I miss my private lab | 06:30 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about power-kernel + emmc fails. | 06:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 06:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering if any of the emmc fails werre correlated with power-kernel | 06:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think it touches that side though actually. | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly doesn't, though maybe it should | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect the stock mmc driver isn't at its best | 06:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah, found some cake, no walk in the cold then :-D | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | actually there's a patch out there for modifying timings | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | but I think it makes them more conservative | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, dunno if it's timing, but there's a patch from TI for all uSD interfaces, to deal with some transcend(?) problem | 06:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that one should go into PK and possibly even CSSU | 06:48 |
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| ShadowJK | kingston | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | Kingston "Almost SD compliant"(TM) ;-) | 06:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it's really timing, then it should be configurable via kernel parameter or /sys/* kingston_crap_mode=[1|0] | 07:00 |
| ShadowJK | Well both the driver and kingston are buggy | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess the specs are buggy, not specifying a timing detail to the decimal, and the driver used optimistic timing while stingston of course exploited this fuzzy spot to use slow cheap timing | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe the driver actually is outa specs on that timing, but stingy kingy is only one not able to cope with it | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never looked into the issue | 07:06 |
| ShadowJK | The card reports timings to host | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah rrright | 07:07 |
| ShadowJK | the driver probably has some dodgy heuristics to figure out whether card is lying or not and by how much | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 07:07 |
| ShadowJK | this is probably horribly simplified and wrong | 07:08 |
| ShadowJK | (my description) | 07:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just know on GTA02 we actually had a kernel driver parameter to set clock speed | 07:09 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the "ti driver patch" doesn't touch clockspeed | 07:09 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's about command timeout | 07:09 |
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| Macer | damnit | 07:25 |
| Macer | this raid is taking forever to initialize | 07:26 |
| Macer | blah | 07:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>Nokia were able to do this thanks to the remarkable flexibility of Hildon, and specifically two assets that the team had created. Neither of these were on the original specification, but the designers included them because they could do so without delaying the project, and knew they added long-term value of the work.<< *sigh* that'S a thinking not very common anymore | 07:46 |
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| Macer | what were the two assets? :) | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>It still went ahead and released the 7710, and this media tablet phone gained prominence in Asia the following spring, despite being based on an orphan platform.<< seen that recently? ;-P | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: skins and backward compatibility to seies60 | 07:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> The Series 60 faction within Nokia had originally promised the board it could add touch support within two weeks. "It underestimated the work involved," says one executive.<< HAHA | 07:58 |
| Macer | are you reading the history and downfall of nokia? | 07:58 |
| Macer | :) | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ | 07:58 |
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| Macer | ah. so a work of fiction? :) | 07:58 |
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| Macer | i'm just teasing ;) ok. bed time for me. i feel way better than i did yesterday. i think the quitting smoking for over a month is punching me in the face now :/ | 08:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BWAAHAHAHAHAAAAHAA | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | A deal was signed, and Macromedia acquired Mobile Innovation. | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: i hate when online content is split into "pages" :( | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | The executive was Stephen Elop. | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sometimes, history is circular... ® | 08:02 |
| jonwil | I think the problem for Nokia is that at the time they were developing Series 90 (aka Hldon) Series 60 was much more suited to what was then the mainstream (i.e. featurephones) | 08:02 |
| jonwil | So the executives supported S60 in favor of S90 | 08:03 |
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| jonwil | and then the iPhone came out and kicked them in the ass | 08:03 |
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| Macer | lol | 08:03 |
| jonwil | leading to a mad rush to make S60 better and the release of a whole bunch of Symbian junk like the N95 | 08:03 |
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| Macer | iphone had way better marketing too ;) | 08:03 |
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| Macer | hey! | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you ever worked in BIG companies, like Siemens, Nokia, Microsoft, whatever? | 08:04 |
| Macer | i liked my n95 :-P | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are always tribes, and they fight each other | 08:04 |
| jonwil | I did a 6 month student internship (basically 6 months paid work that was also a university unit) at Motorola software development back around the time when the RAZR was king | 08:04 |
| Macer | jonwil: the problem with nokia is they were on top of the hill and feeling comfortable and the iphone was unexpected and they did not know what they should do after it came out | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | S60 tribe of course was afraid to lose ground | 08:05 |
| jonwil | Although I was just a software guy and didnt have an insight into the workings of the company | 08:05 |
| Macer | the only platform which was even close that they had on hand was maemo/hildon | 08:05 |
| Macer | which was WAY behind the iphone in joe userness | 08:05 |
| Macer | maemo should have been meego 5 years ago | 08:05 |
| jonwil | when did the N770 come out? (first linux based phone IIRC) | 08:06 |
| Macer | then nokia would have stood a chance.. now they're just a lame MS oem | 08:06 |
| Macer | 770 was a phone? | 08:06 |
| jonwil | oh wait no, thats right device | 08:06 |
| jonwil | not phone | 08:06 |
| jonwil | :P | 08:06 |
| Macer | first linux phone was an n900 :-P | 08:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | first *NOKIA* linux phone mayne | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think Openmoko was 2..3 years ahead of them | 08:08 |
| Macer | openmoko must be japanese for "singularity" :) | 08:08 |
| Macer | because time stood still around it | 08:09 |
| doc|home | and yet so many years behind them | 08:09 |
| doc|home | :) | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, openmoko is spanish slang for "clean your nose!" | 08:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Openmoko had a software stack and hardware that could have been ready to go for xmas 2007. | 08:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It wasn't pretty. | 08:10 |
| SpeedEvil | But it was functional, with X/gtk, and basic phone apps. | 08:10 |
| SpeedEvil | (as of march 2007) | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the name of uBoot was "dirymoko", so... | 08:11 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | dirty* | 08:11 |
| jonwil | I think noika' | 08:11 |
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| jonwil | nokia's real problem is that S90 was not good enough to replace S60 on mass market devices and the S60 team used this to push Nokia management into supporting S60 as the main OS going forward instead of throwing money into a totally new platform that would have meant a totally new ecosystem. | 08:12 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 08:13 |
| jonwil | i.e. the Nokia people thought that S60 was what the mobile marketplace wanted | 08:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Something like that. | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: err, read the article | 08:13 |
| jonwil | I did :P | 08:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what's not good enough on S90 when it substituted S60 on that communicator and nobody ever noticed that, except the S60 team inside nokia who found themselves with their back to the wall | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks for the link! :-D | 08:18 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 08:21 |
| psychologe | my qstardict can't work after i update latest cuss, i type word to search ,qstardict auto quit. | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr mhm | 08:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ever thought about starting apps from terminal, so you actually could watch diagnostic output? | 08:23 |
| psychologe | i tryed it ,,nothing output | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | very interesting indeed | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for my life couldn't think of what might cause that, going down the list of changelog items of Tmameo1 | 08:25 |
| psycho_oreos | could it be by some very remote chance landscape/portrait mode? | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's linked against libqt-test? | 08:25 |
| psycho_oreos | or maybe incompatible qt? | 08:25 |
| psychologe | Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module. Segmentation fault | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 08:26 |
| psychologe | update cssu ,it update lot QTlib | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you try really hard you probably always can find a way to code your app so it won't work on a newer version of a toolkit that's supposed to be ABI compatible | 08:27 |
| psycho_oreos | yes it would, the last two updates iinm were specifically targeting Qt libs | 08:28 |
| psycho_oreos | err excluding the latest Tmaemo1 update that is of course lol.. I should really update my device otoh | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | the most obvious one would be you updated via fapman or apt and didn't notice the conflict of libqttest* | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: ty: #> LD_BIND_NOW=DocSaidSo qstardict | 08:32 |
| psychologe | i used apt updated,No notice conflict | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I thought as much, yeah | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not feel surprised if this was another example where apt-get fails to perform as HAM does | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace -f LD_BIND_NOW=DocSaidSo qstardict | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, other way round | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | LD_BIND_NOW=DocSaidSo strace -f qstardict | 08:37 |
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| psychologe | what's this? | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course apt-cache policy libqt4-test | 08:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's that? a cmd to tell you *why* and how it fails, hopefully | 08:39 |
| psychologe | thanks | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | diagnostic output will be lengthy but instructive | 08:41 |
| psychologe | output : libqt4-test:Installed: 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6 Candidate: 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6 | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, most likely not the culprit then | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | though, you never know | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jury is still out on whether we'Re going to shoot down all devels that depend on that lib | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously you got some pkgs installed that pull it in | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no reason known why any pkg would need to do that | 08:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, o.O well I guess its teamwork with you having `one step ahead' advantage compared to me :D | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: ?? | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how many full-res pictures / second could you possibly take with N9(50) main cam? | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just module, no compression/storing | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait... I guess that depends on exposure time? | 09:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so let' | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | s | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | assume some supernove like illumination | 09:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shutter 1/10,000 | 09:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm pondering: continuous "background" shooting at max rate. On trigger pressed take last complete shot *before* trigger, which incidentally also might have less shaking blur and may also more be what you meant to shoot, changing scene wise. How long will be the minimum "skew" to expect | 09:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a decent app would take 5 shots: 2 before, one during trigger, 2 late ones. Then store all 5 as a pkg/tarball and allow user to pick best, or keep them all | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/5/N/ | 09:42 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: a decent app would take N shots: 2 before, one during trigger, 2 late ones. Then store all 5 as a pkg/tarball and allow user to pick best, or keep them all | 09:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/2/(N-1):2/ | 09:42 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: a decent app would take 5 shots: (N-1):2 before, one during trigger, 2 late ones. Then store all 5 as a pkg/tarball and allow user to pick best, or keep them all | 09:42 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: nice idea, but I think it's fairly high bandwith | 09:43 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: still it would be awesome, you push the trigger and it gives you a view where you can simply flip through a series and choose the best | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, but then we got a dedicated hw IF, that at least can do 25fps at HD | 09:44 |
| dm8tbr | mh, right must be connected to GPMC | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: that's the idea, yes | 09:44 |
| dm8tbr | awesome for crowdshots | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm more worried about buffering, compression, storing | 09:45 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, you'd need to put those uncompressed into RAM | 09:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, we got a few meg | 09:46 |
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| dm8tbr | so probably mmalloc in a way that it can't be swapped out and see | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | even kick out other hogs if necessary | 09:47 |
| dm8tbr | quick, patent it before AAPL does! | 09:47 |
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| dm8tbr | it involves hardware, so it's not a software patent! :p | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I lack a decent patent lawyer | 09:47 |
| dm8tbr | I can hook you up with one, but he's a FOSS nut, so the patent would really need to be worthy | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, FOS for FOSS is OKish | 09:49 |
| dm8tbr | yes, you can be a card carrying OSS nerd _and_ a patent attorney with a PhD in EE ;) | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | just I don't like to see it getting used "for free" by $FRUIT, Nikon, Olympia, Canon, whatever | 09:49 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, how to end a call | 09:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "byebye, baby!" | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | is a usual one | 09:55 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: ...I mean hang up a call...[M#L> | 09:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sorry, some strange mouse code is generated by mistaken | 09:57 |
| LaoLang_cool | s/\[M#l>// | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo ATH | pnatd; might work if pnatd would work that way | 09:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw ATI2 is rather nice | 10:00 |
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| LaoLang_cool | How to run email from xterm? | 10:07 |
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| Sicelo | phone-control | 10:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | Hello, I got disconnected | 10:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, atd5667; works for dialing, but ath doesn't do on-hook | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even atz terminates a call initiated via atd2345; | 10:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know, you usually control this stuff via dbus and telepathy | 10:30 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Does n900 have google reader client? | 10:49 |
| LaoLang_cool | which supports offline mode | 10:50 |
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| neal | feedingit is an offline news reader, but it doesn't support synchronization with google reader | 10:53 |
| LaoLang_cool | neal: :( thank you all the same | 10:56 |
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| mece | LaoLang_cool, Grr is a client. No idea if it has offline support. | 11:10 |
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| mece | LaoLang_cool, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/grr/ | 11:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: pnatd AT+CHUP<cr> ends calls | 11:32 |
| LaoLang_cool | mece: thanks | 11:32 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: pnatd at+chup<CR>? | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, yes | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | at+chup in pnatd | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I once found a way to pipe sth into pnatd and then actually close it, can'T figure how to do it right now | 11:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: what is 'pnatd', and 'at+chup'? | 11:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | pnatd is a application? | 11:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | let me google | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | pnatd is a executable, and at+chup is a AT cmd according to 3GPP TS07.07 | 11:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/100900_100999/100916/07.08.00_60/ts_100916v070800p.pdf | 11:36 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thank you, I'm afraid it's out of my knowlegde... | 11:38 |
| LaoLang_cool | I just want to find a hardware key to hang up the call... | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there is none | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, I don't know any | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | never occured to me to test which hw-key couldend a call | 11:40 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thank you, will use the defautl way. I just think it's not fast enough to hang up a call | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you for sure could use this cambutton shortcut manager app to fire the right dbus-send cmd according to phone-control (wiki) to end the call | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaah, and for sure there's a hw-button to end calls: the button at headset ;-D | 11:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh, the ARM in the n900 is RISC, no? | 11:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | so, gcc for ARM takes advantage of the RISC? | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1127261#post1127261 | 12:02 |
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| * Shapeshifter is toying with the idea of buying a umid se or viliv n5 | 12:11 | |
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| Shapeshifter | they get pretty close to what the psion was 1997. minus the battery life and minus being powered by AA batteries | 12:12 |
| Shapeshifter | it's a shame they're unfeasable to be used as phones. | 12:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mrN6SFslTw | 12:17 |
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| reenignEesreveR | im trying to run an app on n900 which gives error "error while loading shared library libqtcomponents.so.1" | 12:33 |
| reenignEesreveR | how to fix that? | 12:33 |
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| neal | install libqtcomponents | 12:36 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thanks :) | 12:39 |
| x29a | reenignEesreveR: or check if your LD_LIBRARY_PATH is b0rk3d, if you installed it but it cant find it | 12:40 |
| reenignEesreveR | neal, # apt-get install libqtcomponents >>> Couldn't find package libqtcomponents | 12:42 |
| reenignEesreveR | though, i do have QT installed for sure | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | reenignEesreveR: apt-cache search XXXX | 12:43 |
| reenignEesreveR | "apt-cache search libqtcomponents" doesn't return anything | 12:43 |
| reenignEesreveR | "apt-get install qt-components" > already the latest version | 12:43 |
| x29a | try ldd | 12:45 |
| reenignEesreveR | x29a, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not set | 12:45 |
| reenignEesreveR | x29a, ldd what? | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's OK | 12:45 |
| x29a | ldd myApp | 12:45 |
| x29a | reenignEesreveR: youd set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for custom libs | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a hacker thing | 12:46 |
| reenignEesreveR | ldd app | grep libQtComponents: | 12:46 |
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| reenignEesreveR | libQtComponents.so.1 => not found | 12:46 |
| x29a | reenignEesreveR: ok, try to find your .so and check for whatever reason its not found by the system. if its like /opt or something put it in /etc/ld.conf | 12:47 |
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| reenignEesreveR | i have a similar file by the name of libqtcomponenetsplugin_1_1.so in /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Qt/labs/componenets.1.1 | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr, http://maemo.org/packages/view/qt-components-10-examples/ | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure you haven't installed a harmattan pkg? | 12:50 |
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| reenignEesreveR | very positive | 12:50 |
| reenignEesreveR | its a precompiled package im trying to use | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | a wut? | 12:51 |
| reenignEesreveR | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=mardrone;a=tree;h=5be6584c0e26c328c88c73910bace45f87666204;hb=5be6584c0e26c328c88c73910bace45f87666204 | 12:52 |
| reenignEesreveR | got .deb file from here | 12:53 |
| reenignEesreveR | author says it should work fine on n900/maemo/fermantile | 12:53 |
| reenignEesreveR | i did dpkg -i installer.deb | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, if that pkg is linked against that lib, and neither you nor I nor maemo.packages can find something like that, then odds are the pkg is bogus | 12:53 |
| reenignEesreveR | installed fine | 12:53 |
| reenignEesreveR | hmmm... its hacked by kate | 12:53 |
| reenignEesreveR | chief at nokia engineer in nokia | 12:54 |
| reenignEesreveR | i doubt that would be the case | 12:54 |
| reenignEesreveR | ooh ... whoops | 12:54 |
| reenignEesreveR | it does mention use of qt7 | 12:54 |
| reenignEesreveR | while i think i've got qt4 | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | of WUT? | 12:55 |
| reenignEesreveR | QT library | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's Qt4.7.4 | 12:55 |
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| reenignEesreveR | "To build application, you need to have Qt 4.7 and Qt Quick components installed" | 12:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Qt Quick | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | there you go | 12:56 |
| reenignEesreveR | how do i check the version of my qt? | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/qt-components-10-examples/ >>http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/09/10/building-the-future-reintroducing-the-qt-quick-components/ | 12:56 |
| reenignEesreveR | is "qt-components-10" package newer than "qt-components" ? | 12:57 |
| x29a | reenignEesreveR: are you on testing or extras or something? | 12:57 |
| x29a | apt-cache showpkg will tell you | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | get the friggin QtQuick pkg | 12:57 |
| reenignEesreveR | DocScrutinizer, i already have that instaleld | 12:58 |
| reenignEesreveR | apt-cache search qt-quick > show qt-components as well as qt-components-10 | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | then pester the pkg maintainer what a crap he's shipping | 12:58 |
| x29a | reenignEesreveR: did you use "showpkg" on the packages? | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache policy qt-components | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache policy qt-components-10 | 12:59 |
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| reenignEesreveR | x29a, i can't interpret output of showpkg | 13:01 |
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| reenignEesreveR | DocScrutinizer, seems that qt-components is newer than qt-components-10 | 13:02 |
| reenignEesreveR | nope ... the other way around | 13:03 |
| reenignEesreveR | qt-components candidate version: 1.0-git20110620-7-lfn | 13:03 |
| reenignEesreveR | qt-components-10 candidate version: 1.0-git20111014-1+0m5 | 13:03 |
| reenignEesreveR | "apt-get install qt-components-10" fails saying it tries to overwrite a file which is also in qt-components | 13:05 |
| reenignEesreveR | if i remove qt-components, do i have to the risk issues at bootup level? | 13:05 |
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| reenignEesreveR | does any top level app (hildon etc.) depend upon qt??? | 13:05 |
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| Sicelo | anybody tried h-e-n on pk49? | 13:17 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/22/frank_fisher_creative_class/ | 13:24 |
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| blue`` | hey all | 13:32 |
| blue`` | my question: is Conversations app of N900 open source? | 13:32 |
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| chem|st | 50+ threads moved on tmo... I am sick of stupid people | 15:05 |
| chem|st | once... only once I want to work with professionals | 15:05 |
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| x29a | reenignEesreveR: just remove qt components and try the new version | 15:12 |
| x29a | reenignEesreveR: maybe all you need to do is provide a symlink | 15:12 |
| x29a | but we cant help you with 3rd party software, if its not a general issue | 15:12 |
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| blue`` | my question: is Conversations app of N900 open source? | 15:19 |
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| Sicelo | no | 15:20 |
| Sicelo | afaik | 15:20 |
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| vdv | hi all | 15:24 |
| vdv | where can i get original, untouched rx-51 file? | 15:24 |
| vdv | maybe someone can share? | 15:26 |
| ekze | hi | 15:27 |
| ekze | if you tell me where i can find it, maybe i can help | 15:28 |
| andre__ | vdv: file for what? | 15:30 |
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| andre__ | blue``, no | 15:30 |
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| blue`` | :( | 15:38 |
| vdv | andre__, think, i've messed up my rx-51, just wanted to look at untouched version | 15:38 |
| blue`` | the thing is my conversations app is now slow | 15:38 |
| blue`` | i mean, conversatsions from the past 2 years, and now when i delete any conversation, the ui slows down for few seconds, | 15:39 |
| vdv | andre__, does Ctrl+Space the same thing, as setxkbmap <entry_from_rx51>? | 15:39 |
| vdv | i.e. if i switch the language with Ctrl+Space, is it the same as running setxkbmap? | 15:40 |
| andre__ | vdv, I still have no idea what exact file you talk about. a location would be nice... | 15:40 |
| andre__ | I don't know. | 15:40 |
| vdv | /usr/share/X11/xkb/nokia_vndr/ | 15:40 |
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| vdv | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/ | 15:41 |
| andre__ | vdv, http://pastebin.com/nLswSHa1 | 15:47 |
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| vdv | andre__, thanks a lot! | 15:48 |
| andre__ | np | 15:48 |
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| asdffdsa | hello | 15:57 |
| asdffdsa | i need sry help! | 15:57 |
| asdffdsa | my n900 is rebooting everytime.... | 15:58 |
| Phlogistique | asdffdsa: did you try reflashing it? | 15:59 |
| asdffdsa | my pc didnt recognize the phone. and the "u" key doesnt do anything... | 16:00 |
| asdffdsa | i try it.... | 16:01 |
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| asdffdsa | i cant reflashing it... | 16:02 |
| asdffdsa | the phone is "loop booting" everytime. On Charger or on USB is the same... | 16:03 |
| asdffdsa | ...plz help | 16:04 |
| dm8tbr | asdffdsa: try a new battery? | 16:06 |
| asdffdsa | the phone is 3month old... | 16:06 |
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| asdffdsa | the battery is okay.... | 16:08 |
| dm8tbr | you don't know how old the battery is, it might be failing | 16:09 |
| Sicelo | and calm down.. first troubleshooting principle | 16:10 |
| dm8tbr | but anyway, if you are so sure, then you should be just fine cold-flashing your device. | 16:10 |
| asdffdsa | its not the battery! any other thing? | 16:10 |
| asdffdsa | i cant flashing....it doesnt regognize my windows xp -.- | 16:11 |
| Sicelo | if u don't have enough power in your battery, u can't flash | 16:12 |
| Sicelo | ~flashing | 16:12 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:12 |
| Sicelo | also, it is recommended to use Linux if at all possible.. | 16:13 |
| asdffdsa | i cant load the battery. its rebooting everytime | 16:13 |
| Sicelo | then put the battery in another phone.. | 16:13 |
| Sicelo | or use external charger | 16:13 |
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| asdffdsa | Sicelo, i dont have anything like that | 16:14 |
| Sicelo | u must find it.. friends, family.. surely. BL-5J is used in a number of other Nokias | 16:15 |
| asdffdsa | serously nobody has nikoa... | 16:16 |
| Sicelo | or check logs for a method DocScrutinizer sometimes recommends.. using 'old' nokia chargers | 16:17 |
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| asdffdsa | lol.... | 16:17 |
| asdffdsa | how can i fixed it? without charging? | 16:17 |
| Sicelo | lol | 16:18 |
| Sicelo | if u really need to flash, u can't do it with a flat battery | 16:18 |
| Sicelo | ~flat-bat-recover | 16:19 |
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| asdffdsa | how do i recover my data? | 16:19 |
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| asdffdsa | oO no idea? | 16:27 |
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| Sicelo | ~flatbat-recover | 16:31 |
| Sicelo | :/ | 16:31 |
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| Sicelo | asdffdsa: here's how to charge your battery | 16:32 |
| Sicelo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-10-23.log.html#t2011-10-23T15:16:42 | 16:32 |
| Sicelo | ~flatbatrecover | 16:35 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 16:35 |
| Sicelo | asdffdsa: did u have BackupMenu? | 16:37 |
| asdffdsa | tryed it already | 16:37 |
| asdffdsa | Sicelo, no sry | 16:38 |
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| Sicelo | tried what? | 16:38 |
| asdffdsa | my last backup is is month ago | 16:38 |
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| asdffdsa | tried to empty battery bay..connecting...all possible ways...-.- | 16:39 |
| Sicelo | charge the battery.. your only solution, afaik | 16:39 |
| asdffdsa | kow i have a usb-data cabel, but it doesnt works to-.- | 16:39 |
| asdffdsa | how.... | 16:40 |
| asdffdsa | no charge soloutions work... | 16:40 |
| Sicelo | and confirm if your data cable isn't defective.. but still needs charged battery | 16:40 |
| Sicelo | heh | 16:40 |
| Sicelo | u didn't try one solution yet | 16:40 |
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| Sicelo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-10-23.log.html#t2011-10-23T15:16:42 | 16:40 |
| Sicelo | ^^ | 16:40 |
| PSleggs | good day fellow technology enthusiasts. | 16:41 |
| PSleggs | oopz | 16:41 |
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| asdffdsa | the charging cable & data cable is new | 16:41 |
| vi__ | '_' | 16:41 |
| vi__ | you did not see that name | 16:41 |
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| vi__ | I have a question | 16:42 |
| vi__ | I can view bootstate... | 16:42 |
| vi__ | can I change it? | 16:42 |
| vi__ | by hand? | 16:42 |
| vi__ | for example. it starts in ACT_DEAD, can I change it to USER? | 16:42 |
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| ShadowJK | When there's enough power to boot, the system is booted. If the system crashes, it starts over, so battery doesn't get charged. | 16:46 |
| vi__ | ShadowJK: moi? | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | no | 16:47 |
| vi__ | :( | 16:49 |
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| asdffdsa | if the battery doesnt get charged, who can i reflash? without reflash the battery cant charge? | 16:57 |
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| asdffdsa | do you see the problem? | 16:58 |
| x29a | thats why you want to find someone with a working battery | 16:59 |
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| asdffdsa | thats why i looking for a pro.. | 17:02 |
| ShadowJK | What do you mean by looking for a pro? | 17:02 |
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| vdv | if i have set german hardware layout in settings, and have [xkb_symbols "de"] section in rx-51 which of type "EIGHT_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETIC" and it's levels 5-8 are russian, then trying to switch input language with Ctrl+Space has NO effect. BUT, if i set russian as hardware layout in settings, then switching levels with Ctrl+Space WORKS. what's the reason for that? what i want to achieve, is to be able to switch from german to russian and back | 17:05 |
| vdv | with Ctrl+Space, but still have "german" in the Settings->Textinput | 17:05 |
| asdffdsa | Shadikka, a pro (Reseller)...he knwo what he does | 17:05 |
| Shadikka | ... | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | a reseller would get a fully charged battery, put it in your phone, and flash it | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 17:05 |
| asdffdsa | but 0cost and it works? | 17:06 |
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| asdffdsa | but why i cant charge it for my selfe? | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | Because the operating system doesn't boot | 17:07 |
| asdffdsa | my oerating System (OS) is loopbooting -. | 17:07 |
| asdffdsa | -.- | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | The hardware is automatically reset if the operating system stops responding | 17:07 |
| vi__ | start it in flash mode | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think you can without a full battery | 17:08 |
| vi__ | it should 'hardware' charge... | 17:08 |
| vi__ | right? | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | hardware charge only gets you to the point that you can boot, not to the point that you can flash | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | Enough to flash, but I doubt it if the battery is flat | 17:08 |
| vi__ | But you don't need to boot or flash. | 17:09 |
| vi__ | you need to charge. | 17:09 |
| vi__ | then boot/flash. | 17:09 |
| chem|st | asdffdsa: most guys in here have more knowledge of n900 hardware than any of your so called pros! | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | You need bme to charge | 17:09 |
| vi__ | fck bme. | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | Though that extra reserve for clock alarms may be enough to charge | 17:09 |
| asdffdsa | chem|st, good try... | 17:10 |
| vi__ | Ok, last resort. | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, the issue is that it doesn't boot, so he doesn't get bme | 17:10 |
| chem|st | asdffdsa: that's not a try! | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | Flash* | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK: I know | 17:10 |
| asdffdsa | i cant charge. i cant get in any flash mode, i cant run it... | 17:10 |
| chem|st | asdffdsa: that is the truth, resellers do not have any clue about hardware! repairshops do! | 17:10 |
| vi__ | Get a li-ion battery charger, check polarity and connect to the input terminals of your bl-5j. | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | And it seems nolo doesn't allow flashing if battery is low, and this threshold is higher than the point at which hwcharge stops | 17:10 |
| vi__ | chem|st: even 'repair shops' barely know what they are doing. | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st: Not always FYI | 17:11 |
| vi__ | chem|st: a fucking chimp can replace an LCD. | 17:11 |
| asdffdsa | chem|st, the have to do it wihout cost! | 17:11 |
| vdv | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 | 17:11 |
| povbot | Bug 2501: Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | I had to go to orange three times to replace my iPhone | 17:11 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: BLASPHEMOR | 17:11 |
| vdv | seems that bug is for diablo, but i have it on my n900 | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | asdffdsa: You probably know a lot of people with Nokia's | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | Nokias | 17:12 |
| chem|st | vi__: MohammadAG I know... let's say dedicated nokia repair shops have more knowledge than resellers but might not have more knowledge than DocScrutinizer or MohammadAG or even myself... | 17:12 |
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| MohammadAG | Find someone with a Nokia 5800, they're not rare | 17:12 |
| vdv | i.e. having hardware layout set to german, and trying to switch between german and russian has no effect | 17:12 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm not a hardware expert | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | vdv, I remember this bug being filed for fremantle too | 17:12 |
| vi__ | asdffdsa: just attach your battery to a Li-ion charger with bits if wire. | 17:12 |
| vi__ | asdffdsa: give it 15 minutes or so. | 17:13 |
| vdv | ShadowJK, is there any solution? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | I do have the knowledge to fry it quickly though | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Or buy a 'universal charger' from ebay | 17:13 |
| vi__ | asdffdsa: job done. | 17:13 |
| chem|st | vi__: +1 on the lcd... | 17:13 |
| asdffdsa | MohammadAG, i am the only one wiht nikoa | 17:13 |
| asdffdsa | -.- | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | US? | 17:13 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: I know but you know more about it software wise than they know hardware wise... | 17:13 |
| vi__ | nikoa==chinese phone? | 17:13 |
| asdffdsa | but i understand the reason. | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: Japanese | 17:14 |
| asdffdsa | the alarm went on and emptied the battery fully. | 17:14 |
| chem|st | asdffdsa: what happens after pulled the battery out for 2 minutes? | 17:14 |
| vi__ | asdffdsa: what country are you in? | 17:14 |
| * ShadowJK wishes power-kernel, bootmenu, multiboot, fapman and the rest would go to extras-devel so people would stop putting devices in unbootable state :/ | 17:14 | |
| MohammadAG | vi__: MohammadAG: BLASPHEMOR version me | 17:14 |
| chem|st | asdffdsa: I mean you remove it for 2mins and then put it back in... does it try to boot? | 17:14 |
| asdffdsa | same as i connected the charger....bootloop | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG | I doubt it's a boot loop | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | Alarm emptying battery would not make device not boot | 17:15 |
| chem|st | me too | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | More like the kernel not even starting | 17:15 |
| chem|st | what is shown on your display? | 17:15 |
| asdffdsa | but on charger it should do it... | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | I've had battery as empty as you can drain it, and device has still booted | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | Do you see moving dots? | 17:15 |
| chem|st | it won't | 17:16 |
| vi__ | asdffdsa: sounds like you have hosed your system and do not know how to reflash. If the battery was PROPERLY emptied you would not get the priviledge of a bootloop. | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | Or does it go from Nokia to Nokia to Nokia | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | In which case it's not going past the boot loader | 17:16 |
| asdffdsa | i only see NOKIA....not more | 17:16 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: having someone "pro" enough in explaining his/her problem is as rare as having a reseller hardware "pro"^^ | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | By any chance do you have multiboot installed? | 17:17 |
| chem|st | lol | 17:17 |
| vi__ | Am I able to write a state to 'getbootstate'? i.e. change it from ACT_DEAD to USER manually? | 17:17 |
| chem|st | .oO(pls say yes) | 17:17 |
| x29a | chem|st: wait what? "doesnt work" isnt a pro enuf problem description? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: Probably yes | 17:17 |
| vi__ | can I do it from a shell script? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | Afaik NSU does it | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | Not sure | 17:17 |
| asdffdsa | no multiboot. | 17:17 |
| vi__ | and where do I write? | 17:17 |
| chem|st | x29a: ... ;) | 17:18 |
| vi__ | x29a: !! | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: Lemme guess, you want the device to boot on battery full? | 17:18 |
| x29a | vi__: __ | 17:18 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: No, I want ACT_DEAD mode to just power up n900. | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | Ah so if you begin charging it turns on? | 17:19 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: However that is a pretty good idea | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | Mine does that | 17:19 |
| chem|st | vi__: you do not want the device to boot up at bat-full... you want it to boot up at 80% and keep charging afterwards to have a booted 98% charged phone... | 17:19 |
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| vi__ | MohammadAG: how did you acheive this? | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | R&D mode | 17:20 |
| vi__ | LOOOL | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | I think its a bug in it | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | Or force-power-key | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | Or whatever the flag's called | 17:20 |
| vi__ | Well without using RD mode a person simply has to change bootstate before it is queried. | 17:22 |
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| vi__ | no more gimpy act-dead mode | 17:22 |
| vi__ | although I was thinking... | 17:22 |
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| chem|st | asdffdsa: get the battery charged somewhere or buy a new one (they come precharged, not full but at least enough to boot and setup a device), if it still isnt doing anything, you may coldflash or try flashing with linux (pendrivelinux comes handy) or send it in | 17:23 |
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| vi__ | act dead mode boots up to matchbox. It would be cool to display a big clock counting down time till n900 is charged. | 17:24 |
| vi__ | then boot at ~95% | 17:24 |
| vi__ | asdffdsa: sell it to me for $20. | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | Now that's not nice | 17:25 |
| vi__ | Just mail me your bank account number and sortcode first. | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: The screen is just blanked, it's actually still displaying the dots | 17:26 |
| vi__ | aaah | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | So write 0 in the blank sysfs node and you'll get it back | 17:26 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: what is the dots? Is it 5 images? | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | Then write a clock directly into frame buffer | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: Yes | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | No idea what displays them | 17:27 |
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| vi__ | MohammadAG: interesting | 17:28 |
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| MohammadAG | But you can write directly to frame buffer | 17:29 |
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| vi__ | so who is 5 dots? | 17:31 |
| vi__ | wait... | 17:33 |
| vi__ | why would they start matchbox in xsession.d... | 17:34 |
| vi__ | ...only to kill it seconds later? | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | Because the dots show on X | 17:34 |
| vi__ | SONOVVABITCH | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | It's killed only if hildon's started | 17:34 |
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| vi__ | then it uses devlock-blocker | 17:35 |
| vi__ | which apparently stops MCE lock? | 17:36 |
| vi__ | to stop you dicking with it during dots i assume | 17:36 |
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| vi__ | does pin enquiry occour before or after dots? | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | after | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | But before hildon's started | 17:43 |
| vi__ | So they are definatley using X to display the dots | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | Thats why the code accepted banner isn't animated | 17:44 |
| vi__ | not some magic FB voodoo mumbo jumbo | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | Hldon-desktop does the animation | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | Or why clicking outside the dialog doesn't | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | Prompt to shut down the device | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | Cause hildon desktop isn't running and tapping outside the dialog isn't sending a close Gina's to the dialog | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | Signal | 17:45 |
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| MohammadAG | Fuck you iOS | 17:45 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: umad | 17:46 |
| kerio | ysomad | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | Cause I'm using an iPad and auto correct can be annoying | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | FUD day? | 17:47 |
| * slonopotamus likes writing to /dev/fb0 | 17:47 | |
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| vi__ | what is 'hildon-startup-progress'? | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | No idea | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | Probably the dots | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | Run it | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Where? Where? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought the idiocies of flatbat and bootloop at al were 100% documented and understod by now? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | et al* | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Yes but resellers know more than you do | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | Like the pros at orange | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you have to say this, you're my father after all | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | First time I sent my iPhone for replacement they flashed it | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | To a higher non jailbreakable is | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | OS | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | Then they replaced my phone when I told them the problem was a hardware thing | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | And for my convenience they upgraded it | 17:50 |
| slonopotamus | you deserved it, no? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | I don't want to freaking upgrade it | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | Best of all I can't downgrade | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: | 17:51 |
| slonopotamus | iOS is for masses. masses should not want to use it in a way not blessed by apple. | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=5314966720%0D%0A | 17:52 |
| vi__ | Like the time I tried to explain the n900 lock slider button was fecked. I tried to explain that this was obvious simply by watching the state of the entry in /sys. He didnt have a clue. | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | Consider that take #2 | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: I chatted with the employee for 30 minutes till it hung again | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | She was nice, she even gave me her number | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | Being smart I saved it on the defective iPhone | 17:53 |
| vi__ | mmm#] | 17:54 |
| vi__ | It just kills too much to have to explain a technical thing to a person who holds all the cards and is supposed to be more technical than yourself. | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | Couldn't have said it any better myself | 17:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | vi__: When trying not to point out that they don't understand. | 17:56 |
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| vi__ | It's the blank eyes and the rythmic "uh'huh"ing that they make. You know inside it is futile. | 17:57 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: is that shipping going into ~isrealsucks too? | 17:57 |
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| merlin1991 | hm I always forget what the command char for infobot is | 17:58 |
| * merlin1991 is always wondering ! or ~ or # :D | 17:58 | |
| vi__ | so event.d hildon-startup-progress contains: | 17:58 |
| vi__ | DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/nice -n 5 /usr/bin/hildon-startup-progress & | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991: Israel sucks even more | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~israel-sucks | 17:58 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 17:58 |
| vi__ | plus a routine for killing it | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: at beginning of line though | 17:59 |
| vi__ | Do you think this could potentially mean I could run ***any*** program in place of hildon-startup-progress? | 17:59 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 17:59 |
| vi__ | (asuuming it doesnt need any fancy window decorations 'n shit) | 18:00 |
| vi__ | interesting | 18:00 |
| vi__ | either... | 18:00 |
| vi__ | a giant clock | 18:00 |
| vi__ | a giant battery (with charge state) | 18:00 |
| vi__ | space invaders | 18:00 |
| vi__ | conway game of life | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: if in doubt, just use normal nick highlighting | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: botsnack | 18:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 18:01 |
| vi__ | random fractal dependant on some startup variables (angle etc) | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot: seen infobot | 18:01 |
| povbot | DocScrutinizer: infobot was last seen in #maemo 9 seconds ago: <infobot> DocScrutinizer: thanks | 18:01 |
| merlin1991 | ~seen X-Fade | 18:01 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'. | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | takes | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | damn he's afk | 18:02 |
| vi__ | famous last words? | 18:02 |
| vi__ | GODDAMIT, he warned us about dependancy hell and now look at him | 18:02 |
| vi__ | dead | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | and he still has to fix the cssu repos damnit | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | See, at least when I'm MIA I don't break stuff :p | 18:04 |
| merlin1991 | but you still didn't push the cssu sources ! | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | But that doesn't break stuff :p | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | And they're on the repo, but not on git | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | I'll push them when I fire up my laptop | 18:06 |
| vi__ | is the lock screen OS? | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | Need to blow into the fan and my room mates are asleep | 18:06 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: Fuck 'em | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: Lock screen is systemui | 18:07 |
| vi__ | and it is clsed? | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: I guess they'll awake when he fucks them | 18:07 |
| vi__ | PROBLEM SOLVED. | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | You can overlay it as I demoed here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74321 | 18:08 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: ya, that is cool if a little...heavy | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | Tis a shame nokia bubbles idea died | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | vi__: Write it in gtk | 18:09 |
| vi__ | noworkia bubbles? | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | Then it's no longer heavy | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia bubbles idea??? | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | Last line from the first post in that thread | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems to me "bubbles" been an internal codename for Openmoko GTA05 | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia bubbles is a lock screen fir symbian devices | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | You drag a bubble onto another bubble for an action | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | Like silent mode, contacts missed calls etf | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | It's fun | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, our GTA05 GUI was ALL bubbles | 18:11 |
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| * dimw1t bows. | 18:12 | |
| dimw1t | hello | 18:12 |
| chem|st | hi | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | hey | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | Hi | 18:13 |
| chem|st | at least scream out "I'm not worthy!" if you think you need to bow down | 18:13 |
| chem|st | ;) | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:13 |
| dimw1t | :) | 18:14 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: what full of hot air? | 18:14 |
| dimw1t | i'm looking for someone who knows a bit about gadgetfs | 18:14 |
| dimw1t | if this is not the right place, could someone point me to another place i can connect with someone, and pretty quick? | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | Gadgets? | 18:15 |
| vi__ | would there be any improvement in bootup time if dots and matchbox where removed from boot sequance? | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | gadgetfs*? | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | No | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | But removing the boot video yes | 18:15 |
| vi__ | gadgetfs the mass storage mode module? | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | It's synchronous | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: actually yes | 18:15 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: boot video LONG GONE | 18:15 |
| dimw1t | yes, MohammadAG, i'm writing code for a gadgetfs device, and i'm confused about some of the nuances of gadgetfs | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | Thr boot video should be forked and asynchronous | 18:16 |
| vi__ | MohammadAG: The boot video is pointless and should be deleted. | 18:16 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: proceed... | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | Well no | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | If it was asynchronous you'd have the impression it's booting up quickly | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace bootvid by sth *cool* !! | 18:17 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: Scrolling fbcon text? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 18:18 |
| dimw1t | is anyone here familiar enough with writing device-code for gadgetfs to help? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | my scrolling "DONT PANIC!" is just fine for me | 18:18 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Ham Radio Licenses Top 700,000, An All-Time High | 18:18 |
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| vi__ | perhaps replace dots with xeyes? | 18:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Lol | 18:21 |
| slonopotamus | mmm, xeyes | 18:21 |
| vi__ | wow, no maemo port | 18:22 |
| vi__ | travesty | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | xeyes has obvious issues on a touchscreen. | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you replace the input with the input from the accelleromater. | 18:23 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: no we are cooking with gas! | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil: The eyes widget does that | 18:24 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: there's always a cursor in X | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: Sure. | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's static, unless you touch the screen. | 18:26 |
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| slonopotamus | w/e. how one controls led on n800? | 18:28 |
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| MohammadAG | mce or sysfs | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're sure N800 *has* any led? ;-P | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | j/k. afaik N800 has LP5521 so should be same as N810 and basically almost same as N900 | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at rtc/mce/mce.ini - it lists Patterns for N800 hw as well | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | etc* | 18:40 |
| vi__ | HOLY SHIT | 18:40 |
| vi__ | I do not know if this is a great thing | 18:40 |
| vi__ | OR THE GREATEST THING | 18:40 |
| vi__ | xterm instead of the 5 dots? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:41 |
| vi__ | accepts text | 18:41 |
| vi__ | provides a shell | 18:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer puts back the banhammer | 18:41 | |
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| vi__ | Perhaps some kind of pre-hildon rescue thingy | 18:42 |
| vi__ | or somthing? | 18:42 |
| vi__ | ^something | 18:42 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: sure, blue one under keypad | 18:43 |
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| ShadowJK | N800 has single-color led, N810 has a gigantic rgb led | 18:45 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, lets continue here | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: from what source flavour is this scary snippet | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | why odd? | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | kernel-power | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | v49 | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | but seems it is the same in 46 too | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | or even berfore that | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | that is the famous KP bug where device reboots with charger attached instead of switch off | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this is the reason why the FSCKNG PK doesn't properly come up when charger attached | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | that is the reason, USB is not suspended | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 18:49 |
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| freemangordon | and I hope you being MR HOSTMODE to help | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, USB suspend? how is that meant to work? (I know it *could* work according to OTG specs) | 18:49 |
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| freemangordon | see that "if ((val & STS_VBUS) && !twl4030_usb_suspended)" | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly you don't want to suspend *anything* as long as boostmode is running | 18:50 |
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| freemangordon | but it is not | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | running | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 18:51 |
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| freemangordon | there is a charger attached | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | just saying | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't suspend USB hostmode | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | no hostmode for sure | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so how's that my business? | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | if you can help with that | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm rather confident it's not an invention of Paul Fertser and for sure not been invented by me | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | as it seems hostmode patches are the reason | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | this code is fsckng plain ODD | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | and you now twl better than me | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | *know | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | comment it out | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | an you point me to the mxr line URL | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | ? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | please | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well I know mxr has no PK src, but then... | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | not sure I understood you | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the file name, what line number?` preferrably a URL please | 18:54 |
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| freemangordon | ahaa, ok. give me some time | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if ((val & STS_VBUS) && !twl4030_usb_suspended) { printk(KERN_EMERG "twl4030-poweroff: VBUS on,"; ... PFFFFFFF W*T*F?!!! | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | yeh, that is | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | twl4030_poweroff | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | in twl4030-poweroff.c | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | and WG kicks in a second | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | leaving sw_rst in /proc/bootreason | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | sorry, not WG but WD | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *think* I know what the original author (whoever that was) intended: avoid reboot rather than shutdown when vboost on. However better reset bq24150 than set up and pull trigger on twl4030-wd | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | hm, no, no, he charges wd in case there is VBUS and USB is not in suspend | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, which might mean hostmode is enabled | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | yeah, but it is not | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it's not | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's plain wrong | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I see the intention | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | but it seems USB driver does not cleanup the mess when unloaded | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when powering down N900 with vboost on, it will reboot due to VBUS 5V "applied" and it thinks that's a charger | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | it is a charger | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | but USB is inactive (i.e. suspended) | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, listen to what I say! the *intention* was to deal with what *I* said | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | :D | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | ok, ok | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the effect of N900 rebooting rather than shutdown when you "forgot" to stop h-e-n is notorious | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | as hw can't really distinguish between PC / charger VBUS and endogenic vboost VBUS | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the bq24150 will continue to supply vbus-5v for like 30s after killing the booston script process | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | just comment this crap out, accepting the original "issue" as it won't happen on my improved booston script anyway, as long as system shutdown is semi-sane and properly sigints all processes | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or replace the >> /* Set watchdog, Triton goes to WAIT-ON state. VBUS will cause start up */ twl4030_i2c_write_u8(TWL4030_MODULE_PM_RECEIVER, 1, TWL4030_WATCHDOG_CFG_REG_OFFS); while (1); << crap with a i2cwrite to bq24150 to reset that chip | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | hmm, but musb driver is unloaded just few lines above. Isn't it better to tell everyone the truth by setting USB in suspend? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're going path #2, I'm willing to help with the correct incantation for resetting that chip | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | setting USB to whatever state doesn't affect vboost | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | I mean setting damn variable twl4030_usb_suspended to 1? | 19:09 |
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| freemangordon | un musb module unload | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | *on | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and tbh I don't see the purpose in setting musb_hdrc to any state just ms before whole device goes to orcus | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | unclean shutdown? | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | kernel oops | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | have no idea | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | me neither, and since it's not in original kernel, I don't feel like including a patch for anything like that, based on handwaving | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | it is I think, let me chek, i have omap1 sources here | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, *if* it already is on original kernel, then what are we concerned about? | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | yes, the code is exactly the same | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | the concern is that omap1 shuts down properly | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | while KP reboots the device | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strange, so you say this crap was in original kernel as well, but is some bug nevertheless?? | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | adn fails to properly power-on after that | 19:14 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, it is | 19:15 |
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| freemangordon | twl4030-poweroff.c are same in omap1 and KP | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why the heck is this behaviour only showing on KP now? | 19:15 |
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| freemangordon | seems hostmode patches sets either VBUS or twl4030_usb_suspended in such a way that that crap is executed | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all my stock kernel just behaves on powering down with charger | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | while KP resets the device | 19:16 |
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| noook | hi, i'm searching information about the compatibility of the nokia c6-01 with maemo but i didn't find anything | 19:17 |
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| Sicelo | none | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, at least I step back from my prev statement I'd know what the O-A meant when writing those lines of code | 19:18 |
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| freemangordon | I can try end set usb in suspended mode in musb_hdrc module unload | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, sane enough | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | btu have no fscking idea what the consequences will be | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | *but | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | none really, as device shutdown resets the whole SoC and GAIA anyway | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | what will happen if both charger and internal charge-pump are working? | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuttin | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | I mean external charger | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | or usb to PC | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | sure? | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | hmm. then it should be safe to do so | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither of both has a physical means of telling for sure | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | so, is it possible to have both external and internal VBUS? | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually hostmmode-charging is exploiting this sequence | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging | 19:21 |
| infobot | somebody said hostmode-powered was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | I am talking about some kind if short-circuit resulting in dead twl | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't worry | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | as safe as jump-starting your car with a starter-cable and another car | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | wrong | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | just you can't short or swap the wires here | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | there is no voltage converter in between | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | anwa, i will try it | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | anyway* | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | believe me, it's *absolutely* safe | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and btw completely unrelated to USB suspend | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | ok, thanks, will giwe you an address to send a n900 if mine dies :p | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | give* | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's nasty is when your hw enables booster to provide VBUS and same time tries to *charge battery* from VBUS. On N900 that is impossible to happen as both functions are same chip :-) | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard they fried some beagle boards this way though | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on N900 bme will switch bq24150 to charging mode which same time ends boostmode of same chip | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if your hw has separate chips for charging and boost, you better take damn good care to never enable both concurrently | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | hmm, that seems stupid | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | void musb_platform_enable(struct musb *musb) | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | { | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | twl4030_upd_usb_suspended(0); | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | } | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | void musb_platform_disable(struct musb *musb) | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | { | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | twl4030_upd_usb_suspended(musb->is_suspended); | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | } | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | should i use gst-dsp + dsp-bridge driver for n8x0 sound? | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | if nothing happens in between, we will leave with suspened ==0 | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | slonopotamus, those are for mutimedia processor (aka DSP) | 19:30 |
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| freemangordon | accelerated multimedia, have no idea if 8x0 has one | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | freemangordon: i fail to convert your answer to boolean | 19:31 |
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| freemangordon | ok, have no idea how it is on 8x0, but on omap3xxx those are used to access functionality of C64+ DSP processor | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | also, can anyone explain how n800 tsc2301 interacts with DSP for sound playback? | 19:33 |
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| freemangordon | joerg, ping | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | iirc N8x0 has to do sound via dsp always | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer ping | 20:09 |
| ShadowJK | What's tsc2301? | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: pong | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: pong | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + if (machine_is_nokia_rx51()) { | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + musb_platform_resume(musb); | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + musb_set_vbus(musb, 0); | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + devctl &= ~MUSB_DEVCTL_SESSION; | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + musb_writeb(musb->mregs, MUSB_DEVCTL, devctl); | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + musb_writeb(musb->mregs, MUSB_TESTMODE, 0); | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + } | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | + | 20:26 |
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| freemangordon | that is from hostmode patch | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | it is resumed | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | but never suspended AIUI | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm yeah, we need to resume it to make it work, yes | 20:27 |
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| freemangordon | and leave it that way? | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | inc case MUSB_PERIPHERAL | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | ? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and suspend has never been bothered about, assuming we mustn't suspend during hostmode, and when we end hostmode, somewhere else it will get suspended anyway (probably) | 20:27 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: that's n800 sound chip | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: I need context to see what all that is meant to do and when | 20:28 |
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| freemangordon | but it never enters hostmode(noone enables that) and the bus is left resumed when MUSB_PERIPHERAL | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | hold on | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | it is in omap2430.c | 20:29 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: (it's more than just sound but its other functionalities are irrelevant in current context) | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | musb_platform_set_mode | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yay, I adore this crap being scattered across 827 files with utterly unrelated names | 20:29 |
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| Macer | rename it all :) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll look into it later on, have to run now, get some food before shops close | 20:30 |
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| Macer | i am sure there is some sort of system | 20:30 |
| Macer | :) | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: you might /query paulfertser, he's the one who actually implemented the patches, while I contributed the spec what needs to be done ;-) | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and maybe join the dedicated chan ##mhd | 20:32 |
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| slonopotamus | meh... "REMOVE OMAP LEGACY CODE: ... These will be replaced by Kalle Valo's cleaned up board-n8x0 patch." and guess what? right, it was never replaced. | 21:08 |
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| slonopotamus | 12 commits in a row with identical commit message... Tony, why on earth you did that? | 21:10 |
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