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| kwtm2 | Hey, is mce the thing that detects whether the N900 is charging? Sometimes I plug in the N900 to the car charger, and the N900 detects this on the microUSB port; but the other end is poorly connected to the car and there is no current/voltage. Then the N900 decides that this connection is not a charger connection. Then I seat the car charger properly and now there is enough voltage, but the N900 doesn't realize it can now charge | 00:05 |
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| kwtm2 | and refuses to charge. | 00:05 |
| kwtm2 | If I do stop mce && start mce will it make it check the charge again? Or is it something else that can trigger? | 00:05 |
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| ShadowJK | kwtm2, it's bme | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop bme; start bme | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | might not result in what you hoped for, but at least doesn't kill anything :-D | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce is machine|mission_control_entity, and controls screen backlight, LED, kbd slider and backlight, orientation, whatnot else | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke-recv-test might be interesting | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke-recv-test c - enable charging mode | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at - send USB attached signal | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | de - send USB detached signal | 00:49 |
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| wiretapped | does mer do voice calls on n900 yet? | 01:41 |
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| wiretapped | or is there any way to have a recent os and do calling on n900? | 01:41 |
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| jonwil | Latest version of MeeGo should do voice calling AFAIK | 01:55 |
| jonwil | or whatever its being called this week | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | lol | 02:03 |
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| wiretapped | meego, thats where i'm a viking | 02:03 |
| wiretapped | :/ | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | wiretapped: Microsoft/Nokia killed N900 | 02:03 |
| wiretapped | luke-jr: say it aint so | 02:04 |
| wiretapped | (i'm well aware) | 02:04 |
| wiretapped | hence my asking about community supported dists | 02:05 |
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| Psi | is meego actually ready to be run as the only OS on an n900 yet? | 02:09 |
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| Macer | know this may sound like a silly question but does the n900 simply not support screen pinching? | 02:47 |
| Macer | ie: only 1 screen input max? | 02:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Nope; single-touch display | 02:48 |
| Macer | ok | 02:48 |
| Macer | robbiethe1st: backupmenu doesn't back the kernel up? | 02:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Nope. | 02:48 |
| Macer | and reflash based on which kernel is for which img | 02:48 |
| Macer | ah ok | 02:48 |
| Macer | that explains what happened then | 02:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, if you have the stock kernel flashed, any backup will work | 02:49 |
| Macer | will it be added? | 02:49 |
| Macer | i didn't | 02:49 |
| Macer | i installed power kernel | 02:49 |
| robbiethe1st | if you have a non-stock kernel flashed, you have to make sure that the backup contains the kernel drivers for that version kernel | 02:49 |
| Macer | but tried to bring back one i backed up with stock | 02:49 |
| robbiethe1st | One way you can get around it is to flash the kernel via USB flashing. | 02:49 |
| Macer | while the power kernel was still there | 02:49 |
| Macer | yeah.. found that out the hard way | 02:50 |
| nox- | btw anyone know if the 1.3.1 update touches the kernel? | 02:50 |
| Macer | is flasher on the device not a viable option? | 02:50 |
| Macer | so backupmenu can flash based on image? | 02:50 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm not going to mess with it, I don't think. | 02:50 |
| robbiethe1st | It | 02:50 |
| robbiethe1st | It's open source, though, so you can add the functionality if you want, and I might accept it | 02:50 |
| Macer | alright. sorry. i am no dev. i was just asking. | 02:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Nah, you're fine. I just don't have time these days | 02:51 |
| robbiethe1st | In addition, I sort of have to try to port it to the N9 as well... and I've got a job working 45-55 hours/week... | 02:52 |
| Macer | that's understandable. just thought i'd ask since i had a bad experience with it ;) | 02:52 |
| Macer | got it back up and running tho | 02:52 |
| Macer | 45-55 hours a week | 02:52 |
| robbiethe1st | That's the good part. | 02:52 |
| Macer | tell your boss that you have maemo stuff to do :-P | 02:53 |
| Macer | lol | 02:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah, anywhere from 9 x5 to 10x5+ 5 hours on saturday. | 02:53 |
| robbiethe1st | And until a couple of days ago, I was driving 1 hour too and from each day as well... not much free time there | 02:53 |
| Macer | either way. thanks for backupmenu. but do you think you can make a note about the kernel? in the desc? | 02:53 |
| Macer | or is it there and i just didnt see it? | 02:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, maby | 02:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Problem is, I don't have all the files/settings/programs handy, I'd have to redownload/figure it all out again to edit it | 02:54 |
| Macer | :) ok. just thought i would ask. | 02:55 |
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| jonwil | ~seen jacekowski | 04:15 |
| jonwil | 1.3.1 update does not touch the kernel, it only touches maemo-security-certman, maemo-security-certman-applet and mp-fremantle-blah-pr | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: robbiethe1st: you *could* backup and restore kernels the brute-force way with nanddump and nandwrite | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | I /could/ yes... | 04:19 |
| robbiethe1st | But that, too, would require messing with it | 04:19 |
| robbiethe1st | And that's going to be waiting until at least next week, when I get(a copy of) my main PC running at my new apartment | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | !seen jacekowski | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | povbot: seen jacekowski | 04:21 |
| povbot | DocScrutinizer: jacekowski was last seen in #maemo 3 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <jacekowski> not that anybody want to | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: sure thing | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw for HARM you'll need that, as otherwise you can't restore in an aegis-safe way (inodes mustn't change) | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unless you completely hack and adopt aegis-do | 04:23 |
| jonwil | oh wait its javispedro I need to talk to :P | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot: seen javispedro | 04:26 |
| povbot | DocScrutinizer: javispedro was last seen in #maemo 1 day, 9 hours, 33 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <javispedro> s/thought/wondered | 04:26 |
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| jonwil | Still investigating the mysteries of the internet connectivity daemon | 04:34 |
| jonwil | and I have enough evidence now to suggest that a total replacement may not be necessary to support better control over wireless network selection | 04:34 |
| jonwil | Need to go out soon and grab some logs (dbus and ICD) of what happens when I leave my home WiFi network and switch to 3G | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting! | 04:36 |
| jonwil | and what happens when I come back to my home network | 04:36 |
| jonwil | I also need to find somewhere that offers public WiFi so I can verify what gets sent to the phone when I come within range of such a network and when I join such a network. | 04:37 |
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| jonwil | I also need to find out what setting controls that green tick-box on the network list (i.e. preferred or auto-join network) and what components handle that setting but that will come once I have some logs :) | 04:38 |
| jonwil | Was going to go for a nice walk to get this logs and info but its 25 Celsius and getting hotter so I will take a ride on a nice air-conditioned bus instead :) | 04:39 |
| jonwil | Plus, I dont know of anywhere I can walk to that has free WiFi :P | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd happily swap location with you | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather climate | 04:41 |
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| jonwil | why, whats it like over there right now? | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you tested *100# ? | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, friggin bot | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost freezing | 04:43 |
| jonwil | and trust me, you wouldn't want to be here in the height of summer when its 40+ Celsius and all you have is a crappy fan that does little more than move air around | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no | 04:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, heating is way simpler than AC | 04:50 |
| jonwil | yeah the problem is that all portable air-conditioners that exist cost a fortune and totally suck at cooling things down (and most of em go through water like there is no tomorrow) | 04:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Split ACs are of the order of $500 | 05:15 |
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| jonwil | Except that I don't have $500 to spend | 05:56 |
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| lulzfish_4 | I got a stock N810 a while ago, I'm trying to do anything interesting with it | 06:01 |
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| luke-jr | lulzfish_4: mine is a dedicated kismet server | 06:15 |
| lulzfish_4 | kismet? | 06:16 |
| lulzfish_4 | also, dedicated? | 06:16 |
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| lulzfish_4 | i was hoping to compile sdl or qt applications for it somehow | 06:19 |
| lulzfish_4 | maybe gtk if i have to | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | I have KDE installed | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | but not enough RAM really | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | I run Gentoo | 06:21 |
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| jonwil | ok, dbus logging is go, as is ICD logging. Time to go grab some useful data :) | 06:24 |
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| jonwil | wow, timeless is online. Only now I cant remember why I wanted to talk to him... :P | 11:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | its not about browser-eal is it? | 11:32 |
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| vi__ | yo | 11:50 |
| vi__ | pov robbiethe1st | 11:51 |
| vi__ | !pov robbiethe1st | 11:51 |
| vi__ | ;pov robbiethe1st | 11:51 |
| vi__ | ?? | 11:51 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: Good morning. | 12:06 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: A question if you will. | 12:06 |
| vi__ | Where is the backupmenu script? | 12:06 |
| vi__ | I have looked through /bootmenu.sh and it doesnt look like it, none of the menu text is there for example. | 12:07 |
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| Sicelo | /usr/share/backupmenu/Backupmenu.item | 12:11 |
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| vi__ | Sicelo: thank you. You are a bro. | 12:15 |
| vi__ | Sicelo: whould also perhaps know where I may find the charging script the BM uses? | 12:16 |
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| vi__ | BM indicates it is /bin/charge.sh however that file does not exist! | 12:19 |
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| Sicelo | yes, afaik BM doesn't ship a charge script on its own... use ShadowJK's.. i believe that's the one BM refers too | 12:20 |
| vi__ | yes, however where is it? | 12:21 |
| Sicelo | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt | 12:21 |
| vi__ | BM indicates a path of /bin/charge.sh yet there is no file /bin/charge.sh | 12:21 |
| vi__ | does the n900 change root during boot or somthing? | 12:22 |
| Sicelo | change root.. i dunno. save the above script as /bin/chargae.sh | 12:23 |
| vi__ | I already have the script. The n900 charges during BM. | 12:24 |
| vi__ | I will have to ask robbie if i ever see him | 12:24 |
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| vdv | just finished with Fremantle port of GoldenDict 1.0.1 dictionary program, if somebody wants to test, i can share deb file :) | 12:32 |
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| Ikarus | and another N900 dead due to USB port issues :( | 13:18 |
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| Ikarus | anyone know if you still can convince nokia to give you a development N950 ? | 13:20 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ | 13:25 |
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| * Ikarus can't go without a working N900 :\ or N950 (N9 is pointless, no keyboard, I use it 80% of the time) | 13:25 | |
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| purr | im waiting for TIzenSAmsung goodness. i doubt itll be any less open than n900 (a few firmware blobs etc) | 13:39 |
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| vi__ | hello | 14:03 |
| vi__ | any resident BM experts here? | 14:04 |
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| vi__ | When I try to launch backupmenu root console it fails. | 14:05 |
| vi__ | I am promted to enter my password... | 14:05 |
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| vi__ | implying the 'busybox getty 115200 tty1 sh' line in BM works. | 14:06 |
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| vi__ | actually | 14:06 |
| vi__ | I don't get to enter my password | 14:06 |
| vi__ | it asks me for username | 14:06 |
| vi__ | I enter root and it just crashes back to BM | 14:07 |
| vi__ | if I try again I can see the error that occoured after entering user name | 14:07 |
| vi__ | it says 'applet not found' | 14:07 |
| vi__ | what applet is this? | 14:07 |
| vi__ | why is it not found? | 14:07 |
| vi__ | Could this be somthing to do with busybox power | 14:08 |
| vi__ | ? | 14:08 |
| x29a | why do you start each line with a -? | 14:08 |
| vi__ | what? | 14:09 |
| vi__ | Is there a funny character at the star of each of my klines? | 14:09 |
| vi__ | ^lines | 14:09 |
| vi__ | ^start | 14:09 |
| x29a | <vi__> -what? | 14:10 |
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| vi__ | also why does /bin/charge.sh exist when I access the device from root console in BM yet not exist when I access it from normal mode? | 14:10 |
| vi__ | x29a: I have no idea why a - appears | 14:11 |
| vi__ | I am using irssi over ssh on n900. | 14:11 |
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| vi__ | 'applet not found' | 14:12 |
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| vi__ | what applet is this refering to? | 14:12 |
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| vi__ | N900, Y U NO MAKE SENSE? | 14:13 |
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| vi__ | So busy box says "applet not found" when you request a program it does not contain. THe error message also details the name of the applet you erroneously asked for | 14:17 |
| vi__ | however in my case it is not detailing ANY applet names | 14:17 |
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| vi__ | implying it cannot find nothing | 14:17 |
| vi__ | which makes 0 fucking sense | 14:17 |
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| ShadowJK | probably bootmenu uses a different / | 14:24 |
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| purr | oh thats interesting, charge.sh | 14:55 |
| purr | i have been using pancake's i2c charging script on his website, i think culled from a maemo forum | 14:55 |
| purr | along ith just copying over bme_rx51 and whatever libs it needed to ldd cleanly onto debian | 14:55 |
| purr | but if theres an official charge.sh, i'll have to go unsquashFSing images to read it | 14:55 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 15:04 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 15:05 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'. | 15:05 |
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| lulzfish_4 | I think we are in Dependency Purgatory and nobody wants to admit it | 15:15 |
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| * purr yet to try Hildon/GTK apps on debian | 15:21 | |
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| purr | i have a feeling its going to want the world, quite fast | 15:22 |
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| purr | pulseaudio on maemo was too old to talk to ubuntu's pulse over a network, i couldnt decide which was worth upgrading/backporting | 15:23 |
| purr | beacuse if i upgrade pulse on maemo, im sure telephony will stop working or so | 15:23 |
| purr | and if i just have a dumb tablet might as well jailbreak iPhone with saurik's toolchain and go all JS for my UI | 15:23 |
| purr | decisions.. | 15:23 |
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| purr | a few of these Tizen posts off LWN mention GTK support (tentative) which lends credence to Xorg still being around, which is good at least | 15:25 |
| purr | possibility to run this half-decade+ of hildon apps on modern hw | 15:25 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to end the call? Clicking on the end call bottom on the screen is the only way? | 15:25 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sometimes I need to wait about 1 second to let the screen turn on again, so it's a little slow to end the call at that time | 15:26 |
| jonwil | I see no advantage to dropping X from whatever the next iteration of maemo/moblin/meego/whatever ends up being | 15:26 |
| Phlogistique | purr: Tizen uses X | 15:28 |
| purr | HTML5 apps - webkit was hooked right up to a fbdev on WebOS | 15:29 |
| purr | from an ecosystem standpoint it seems plausible Android emulator / Webkit plugged into fb without X is a possibility being discussed | 15:30 |
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| bindi | http://applidium.com/en/news/cracking_siri/ | 16:28 |
| bindi | so, when can we see this on the n900? :D | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | You need a cert/. | 16:29 |
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| purr | "Your iPhone sends a tons of things to Apple’s servers" | 16:34 |
| purr | i wonder how many billions NOKIA blew on this OVI crapware that litters MAemo on n900 | 16:35 |
| purr | maps takes like 15 seconds to launch, maep instantly | 16:35 |
| purr | considering EFL/GTK are GUI dead-ends as far as mass-adoption, im thinkin an iPod Touch is making more and more sense. Saurik's GCC can byuild anythiung, and id never use a non-HTML5 GUI at this point | 16:35 |
| chem|st | purr: I was wondering how many billions Nokia will loose by droping maemo/meego | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG | I bought an iPod touch | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | it's something I'd recommend you don't buy | 16:44 |
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| MohammadAG | if anything, get an iPhone instead | 16:44 |
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| MohammadAG | the 256MBs of RAM make a difference | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | you've got something with apple on it? | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | does it make you feel dirty? | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | and unfaithful? | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, no, it makes me feel like I backstabbed myself | 16:47 |
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| MohammadAG | I must admit I bought an iPod, got an iPhone from Orange to lower my bill, and got an iPad 2 as a gift | 16:47 |
| purr | i donno, iPAd is 100x as fast as my n900 in unix shell. the Flash storage / system bus or something just pwns | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it lives, it lives :-D | 16:48 |
| purr | and with cydia, it has apt-get. so its as unixy as n900 | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | wait | 16:49 |
| purr | imo the kernel and videodrivers and windowmanager give X a run for hte money too | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | so the only thing you need to make something linuxy is apt-get? | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | I may have 3 iDevices, and may be using one of them as a main device | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | but the iPhone is far from "unixy" | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | well, "linuxy" | 16:50 |
| purr | it has GCC, a toolchain, a package manager, and a UNIXlike kernel | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you got a few minutes to review aspects of Tm1 ? Seems modest is completely fsckd up now, for example | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | how? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | it works fine for me | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure I updated both libtinymail and modest | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | according to numerous reports it now segfaults immediately after start | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | sounds like libtinymail then | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | err, did someone start it from terminal and see what it bitches about? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so if you updated it then bad enough but the fix brought regressions - well shit happens | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | no clue, tmo madness after all | 16:52 |
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| MohammadAG | BTW, iPad apps have one of the best designs for a tablet | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1126668&postcount=243 | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | every MeeGo dev should have one, for inspiration or otherwise | 16:52 |
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| vdv | qt quick 1.1 on maemo, possible? | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (inspiration) exactly my words about N810 and openmoko sw devels X-D | 16:53 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's true | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | iPad apps are designed very well | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, but obviously joe average sw devel is *very* shy to look for and copy good example - either they "know it better anyway" or they think it's embarrassing to "spy" | 16:57 |
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| kwtm2 | purr: Wait, tell me more. Unix thing on iPad? My wife has an iPad2 but I haven't been able to (figuratively) pry off the covers and get into the Unix internals. What is cydia, and what does it let me do? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for Nokia GUI/UX designers who obviously have a sense for picking the worst out of android and iOS and define meego according to it | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | buzzwords tracker-"fs", no c&p | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | kwtm2, iPad 2 isn't JB'able unless you BOUGHT it on 4.3.3 and saved SHSHs | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | if you thought Nokia's flasher strict-ness is bad, get an iPhone and learn how it's updated/flashed | 17:00 |
| kwtm2 | I see. At work we are looking to get some new portable hardware (bring it into the room with clients rather than just having computers at our workstation.) I said I didn't want an iPad like everyone else because I can't hack it. If there is a mod available, I'm interested. | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | basically, you download an unsigned image from Apple's server that can't be flashed | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | then iTunes extracts it somewhere (probably encrypted parts in memory?) and signs it, then sends it to the device | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | the signature is generated on Apple's servers, pre iOS5 this could be saved using some apps that request it from apple's servers | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | but post iOS5, the signature can only be used once | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, that's nice! on-site-signing, can get RE'd | 17:01 |
| kwtm2 | Ok, will leave it alone. Netbook it is, Windows Something and then dual-boot linux. | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, signatures are blacklisted after being used once now | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | wonder what happens when they run out of signatures | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 17:02 |
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| MohammadAG | oh wait | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | theortically they can't | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, or when IPv8 numberspace expires | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | the signature includes the device's IMEI or UUID or something | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | so each device has some million-signatures | 17:03 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: so they need to come up witha new idea in about 15 years... | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | my iPad 2 isn't JB'able | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | I must say it's fun to use, doesn't replace a laptop but for web stuff it's awesome | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | kwtm2, the iPad 1 is fully hackable | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | (afaik) | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | the screen is pixelated as fuck on all iPads though | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I won't touch that shit unless Siri gets more spirit than ELIZA | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | 1024*768 I think | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you noticed Siri is the first *real* AI coming soon, that also has perspective to really spy on everyone of us? | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Siri is useless without Apple's servers | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so is google | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | basically, nothing is done on the iPhone besides the actual recording | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | true, but it's being advertised without saying "You need a fucking connection" | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it was done on-board I'd not be concerned | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | I'd be way more interested if it was on board | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | but the concept of Siri is awesome | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but ECHELON is a ridiculous toy compared to what Siri might be in two or three years | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG | I like how iTunes doesn't restore passwords if you changed phones | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Siri could eavesdrop and analyze all talks on a table in a restaurant by using the devices of random neighbour tables' guests, even when the participants on that table all have no devices at all | 17:10 |
| * lardman|lab wonders how hard sentance recog is | 17:10 | |
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| MohammadAG | sentance recognition isn't the difficult part in a Siri clone | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | it's the fact you can ask it anything, without having to memorize commands | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~spell sentance | 17:11 |
| lardman|lab | sure | 17:11 |
| infobot | possible spellings for sentance: sentence sentience stance sentenced sentences suntans suntan's sentence's suntan Santana's sentience's | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | sun tans | 17:11 |
| lardman|lab | doh s/a/e | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | Saying what's the weather like on android simply googles "What's the weather like" | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | correct my mistake as per lard's | 17:11 |
| lardman|lab | MohammadAG: well you'd then make it guess a la chatbot what the user is asking for I imagine | 17:12 |
| lardman|lab | or even with a large hardcoded set of keywords, etc. | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Or you pass it off to a human if there is any doubt. | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | And then feed that humans response back to the database. | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, Siri probably works like that :p | 17:12 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, that'd be actually quite a cool eavesdropping app ;-) | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is exactly what Siri does all the time :-D | 17:12 |
| lardman|lab | would be nice to do on-device though, even if it's not Siri-tastic | 17:12 |
| flux | (+be) | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | "Quick, Bill, make up a story where babies come from, some kid's asking about that" | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | "Fuck this Joe, I can't think of anything" | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 17:13 |
| * lardman|lab thinks at least the start of the answer was correct | 17:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the fun bit is: on Siri very same moment at least 273 users talk about where babies come from to Siri at this very moment | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | and that's how this happened http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ze6jEdvunss#t=95s | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so Siri doesn't basically need dedicated moderators | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|lab, LOL | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the huge userbase moderates itself | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG | would be fun if it actually learns from you | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it does | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | like STOP FUCKING ASKING ME WHERE BABIES COME FROM | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | after 20 times or os | 17:16 |
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| lardman|lab | it should perhaps how old you are and how you can afford an iPhone if you're not yet 10 | 17:17 |
| lardman|lab | or these days s/10/5 I imagine | 17:17 |
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| MohammadAG | Nokia's sending my other N950 today | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | basically my third one from them | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe :-S | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | with the second one still unclaimable by me or them | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | as then we again will miss any antention from you on fremantle | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | you know I won't do that | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | unless you port Aegis to fremantle | 17:19 |
| lardman|lab | I seem to remember Sphinx worked passably | 17:19 |
| * lardman|lab ponders about speech recognition | 17:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | for whatever metrics of "passable" - yes it does | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | wait... | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | there's an open source speech recognition engine? | 17:21 |
| lardman|lab | yep | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | sphinx | 17:21 |
| lardman|lab | it's in the Fremantle repo too | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | oh nice | 17:21 |
| lardman|lab | afair, I think I uploaded it | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's even a tmo thread about it | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that probably stalled some 9 moths ago with me promising to eventually come up with a spec for a general S2T-interface and plugin | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | months* | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | time to jailbreak this shit | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas such a plugin needs severe messin with IM | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | HIM actually | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The sad part about Siri/Google-voice-whatever-they-call-it - is that it makes it much harder for on-device recognition to get traction. | 17:24 |
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| lardman|lab | What quality of voice data do they send back? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if DFU mode on iOS means Device Fucked Up | 17:24 |
| lardman|lab | presumably quite low, must get expensive | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|lab, send back? | 17:25 |
| lardman|lab | back to the server to decode it | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | Siri is a text to speech engine | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | SPEEX compressed WAV afaik | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | ok, it's stuck at uploading ramdisk | 17:25 |
| * MohammadAG oh shits | 17:25 | |
| lardman|lab | I thought Siri was the whole shebang - speech -> text -> interpretation -> result presentation with spoken confirmation along the way? | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | nothing is done on device besides recording | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | basically, someone got "Siri" running on a PC afaik | 17:26 |
| lardman|lab | ah ok, so the returned data is provided by the server too | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: pcketsphinx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7256 | 17:27 |
| lardman|lab | presumably with some hooks into the local data | 17:27 |
| lardman|lab | doc: link? | 17:27 |
| lardman|lab | blank pages? | 17:27 |
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| MohammadAG | yay | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | kernel didn't segfault | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | ooh, iOS uses fsck | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | I think I saw btrfs somewhere there | 17:29 |
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| lardman|lab | for reference http://applidium.com/en/news/cracking_siri/ | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oooops | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72565 | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ECNP | 17:38 |
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| vdv | is there any solid qml based apps for maemo? example? | 17:39 |
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| lardman|lab | thanks DocScrutinizer | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 17:44 |
| * lardman|lab is tempted, but really should get mBarcode for the N9(50) finished | 17:44 | |
| lardman|lab | too many tempting things to hack at, not enough hands or time | 17:45 |
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| rm_work | lardman|lab: are you doing a frontend UI or just a backend library? | 17:48 |
| lardman|lab | am using ZXing as the decoder library, so just the frontend stuff, plugins, history, handing the data once decoded, camera/video handling, etc | 17:49 |
| rm_work | ah :P | 17:49 |
| rm_work | I remember we tried to use ZXing before but wasn't it OOC? | 17:49 |
| lardman|lab | it's Java, but there's a C++ port | 17:50 |
| rm_work | ahh | 17:50 |
| rm_work | that makes things much easier | 17:50 |
| rm_work | so you hooking it up to a UPC database? | 17:50 |
| lardman|lab | not sure the port is ideal, but I was planning on getting the frontend sorted out quickly, then doing some work on the backend | 17:50 |
| lardman|lab | unfiortunately this frontend porting/updating has taken far far too long | 17:50 |
| rm_work | :( | 17:50 |
| rm_work | I need to go back and redo Pandora again, except the right way this time, and from a current version instead of (what I found out later was) a really old version :P | 17:51 |
| lardman|lab | It will be hooked up eventually, but not in mBarcode itself, in another app which I am writing, but which is now also stalled because I need to get mBarcode finished | 17:51 |
| lardman|lab | having a 3 month old daughter seriously reduces coding hours | 17:52 |
| rm_work | you find a better UPC database to use than the one I used way back when? | 17:52 |
| rm_work | yeah, i can imagine | 17:52 |
| rm_work | Congratulations, BTW! I' | 17:52 |
| lardman|lab | rm_work: not really looked yet, was thinking of using a number and scraping Amazon too | 17:52 |
| rm_work | I've been too absent recently myself, I missed that! | 17:52 |
| lardman|lab | rm_work: thanks :) | 17:52 |
| rm_work | Also, half wondering what is going to happen to the community now :( | 17:53 |
| lardman|lab | yeah | 17:53 |
| lardman|lab | Nemo in the mid-term I guess, then see what new hw comes out | 17:53 |
| rm_work | Seriously doubting I'll have a chance to hang out with the whole gang again, which is a bit sad | 17:54 |
| lardman|lab | yeah, I was looking forward to an Autumn Harmattan conference | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman|lab: I did point you at tescos API for barcodes? | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget. | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Send it a barcode, it returns product info. | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Nutrition, ... | 18:04 |
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| Z3ROC00L | hello people , i just had to format my phone an lost a script that locks the desktop from moving or editing short cuts anybody how to sort it .? | 18:52 |
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| chem|st | ~cssu | 19:23 |
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| infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 19:23 |
| chem|st | is the cssu upgrade in a different repo? | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah | 19:30 |
| chem|st | S/N in here is really bad! 2days of backlog and 0.x% signal... | 19:30 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: now it show, I think my ham did not like me! | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: just make sure you haven't disabled basic Nokia repos | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you might want to manually upgrade this friggin libqttest* crap, if you got it | 19:32 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: anything about these modest-tinymail issues? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | some devels calim WFM while some users report complete fsckup | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | claim* | 19:33 |
| chem|st | have you got a gingerbread handy? | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure you could downgrade tinymail/modest if you like to | 19:34 |
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| chem|st | upgrading now, if modest is fscked up I still have ssh | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even go for Stable, which kicked it completely in favour of the stock version, for now ;-D | 19:35 |
| chem|st | "go for stabele"? | 19:35 |
| chem|st | you mean install from nokia repos? | 19:36 |
| chem|st | or cssu stable | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the forthcoming CSSU-Stable version, which basically is 16.8 *minus* modest/tinymail *minus* nicocam, and with conservative presets | 19:36 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: for modest ~WFM | 19:41 |
| chem|st | ~modest | 19:41 |
| infobot | modest is, like, s h i t | 19:41 |
| chem|st | hehe | 19:42 |
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| chem|st | what I like is to have a connection based smtp, what is needed at uni's and in several company networks | 19:43 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: still the question if you got a gingerbread device handy?! | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 19:44 |
| chem|st | ty | 19:44 |
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| * slonopotamus is UNSTOPPABLE! now with N800 LED working with 3.1 kernel | 19:44 | |
| chem|st | got to hunt some food down, later | 19:44 |
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| badcloud | is there an iwad loader for prboom which can be installed on the n900? | 19:49 |
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| slonopotamus | meh | 19:54 |
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| badcloud | is there a better nes emulator than ines maemo? the sound emulation is clunky and it doesn't read zip files | 19:56 |
| badcloud | should have added an 'and' before that last one | 19:56 |
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| bash` | hi all | 19:58 |
| bash` | I need help flashing my n900, it doesn't start anymore! | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | ~flashing | 19:58 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:58 |
| bash` | I already flashed it many times, but this time nothing happens: | 19:58 |
| bash` | http://dpaste.com/659843/ | 19:58 |
| bash` | slonopotamus: thanks but I already read that | 19:58 |
| bash` | cdc_phonet is already blacklisted | 19:59 |
| bash` | $ lsmod | grep cdc | 19:59 |
| bash` | $ | 19:59 |
| bash` | any help is appreciated. thanks | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus | after that msg you plug n900 into usb and press pwr button on it | 20:00 |
| bash` | Unable to enumerate USB devices! | 20:00 |
| bash` | that's what the flasher says, then it exits | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | do you run flasher as root? | 20:00 |
| bash` | yes | 20:01 |
| bash` | [ 451.376688] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device number 12 using ehci_hcd | 20:01 |
| bash` | [ 451.770129] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 12 | 20:01 |
| bash` | dmesg ^ | 20:01 |
| slonopotamus | that's irrelevant to my question | 20:01 |
| bash` | slonopotamus: I use "sudo flasher" then yes, I'm running it as root | 20:01 |
| slonopotamus | bash`: i think you answered this question already back in 2010 :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49256 | 20:02 |
| bash` | let me see | 20:03 |
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| bash` | eh, I forgot that, but I reflashed my phone last month and there is no need to downgrade libusb | 20:03 |
| bash` | in fact "blacklist cdc_phonet" >> modprobe.conf is the proper way to fix that | 20:04 |
| bash` | and I already did that | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bash`: blacklist ehci_hcd | 20:08 |
| bash` | DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to work | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ohwell, the us another PC with another OS | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | then use* | 20:11 |
| bash` | you say? | 20:11 |
| bash` | ok...I hope the problem is the OS... | 20:11 |
| kerio | bash`: i use you as my login shell! honored to meet you! | 20:11 |
| bash` | kerio: I use myself too | 20:12 |
| kerio | naughty! | 20:12 |
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| Tofe | Hello ! | 20:13 |
| bash` | ok...see you later | 20:14 |
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| Tofe | One little question: to submit a bug about a package (on N900), is there a bugzilla, or something ? | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends. | 20:14 |
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| Tofe | rootsh: the rootsh.prerm has a typo in the if...fi | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/flashlight-applet/ | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | For example | 20:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | See the bugtracker link | 20:15 |
| Tofe | okay, will look at it. thanks | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh/ | 20:16 |
| Tofe | yep, well, no bugtracker, maybe it's possible to send a message to the maintainer | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Tofe: >> wonder why you haven't promoted this new version (1.8) to extras-testing ? The 1.5 version has a serious bug with the uninstallation procedure. There is a shell typo there that makes (by accident) the original /usr/bin/gainroot be overwritten by the one provided in the package. rootsh 1.8 does not have this problem.<< | 20:18 |
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| badcloud | anyone else have strange sound issues in ines? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/rootsh/1.8/ | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> Attila Csipa Karma: 1425 Looks like it's an orphan package, unless qwerty12 comes back. 2010-09-01 11:25 UTC << | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tofe: ^^^^ | 20:20 |
| Tofe | DocScrutinizer: well well well... | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could probably claim maintainership for the package | 20:20 |
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| Tofe | anyway, to become root I just type "root". what's the point of rootsh then ? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL, exactly that | 20:21 |
| Tofe | (I'm brand new to meamo, I recieved my n900 yesterday, so I *may* speak nonsense) | 20:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Speaking nonesense is encouraged. | 20:21 |
| Tofe | :) | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | without pkg rootsh you won't have any cmd _`root` | 20:22 |
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| Tofe | oh. | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW, pkg rootsh provides "sudo gainroot" and "root" | 20:22 |
| Tofe | aha, funny, I used "root" to modify the prerm file and uninstall rootsh :p | 20:23 |
| Tofe | I see the irony now | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 20:23 |
| Tofe | so, rootsh will never make it to the extra repo ? | 20:24 |
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| bashlnx | DocScrutinizer: doesn't work in windows neither | 20:27 |
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| Tofe | ok well, rootsh reinstalled and re-fixed. not so much of a problem, but not too clean either | 20:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I say go for it. | 20:49 |
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| bash` | DocScrutinizer: recovered... | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Tofe: [2011-11-21 19:20:56] <DocScrutinizer> you could probably claim maintainership for the package | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash`: how? | 20:58 |
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| bash` | DocScrutinizer: reflashing only PR_COMBINED | 20:59 |
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| Tofe | DocScrutinizer: well, I could, but I'm quite new to all this maemo tools, I may make stupid mistakes | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, the process of uploading to extras-devel and promoting from there to -testing to extras proper is so tough defined and backed up by safety checks, you can't hardly spoil anything there | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but thinking of it, I might do it as well | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | particularly for rootsh which is as tiny a pkg a starhash-enabler | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | as* | 21:04 |
| Tofe | as you prefer | 21:05 |
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| aap | Thanks for power-kernel-49! Great work. | 21:58 |
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| badcloud | anyone get the fmradio to work? | 22:44 |
| badcloud | I've been trying some of the methods from mount c /home/raanan/.wine/drive_c/ | 22:45 |
| badcloud | whoops | 22:45 |
| badcloud | meant http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=64405 | 22:45 |
| badcloud | tried methods from ^ link | 22:47 |
| badcloud | but always get "Cannot load fm driver module" | 22:47 |
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| plate | i had TO downgrade teo a yearold kernel for FM to work | 22:49 |
| plate | not sure wtf i did other than install power-kernel and apt-get upgrade unnecessarily | 22:49 |
| * plate baleted apt, dpkg, and /var/lib/dpkg so i dont upgrade again. maemo is effectively stable | 22:49 | |
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| badcloud | plate: yeesh | 22:50 |
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| badcloud | did you lose any functionality from kernel downgrade? | 22:50 |
| plate | nope | 22:50 |
| plate | the "new" kernel was still 2.6.28, so who knows what was changed | 22:50 |
| badcloud | ah | 22:51 |
| plate | i have 1 remaining issue with Maemo, voip.ms registration timeout no matter which KEepalive settings are chosen | 22:51 |
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| plate | possibly a voip-provider issue, but im paying for a DID that rarely takes cals as a result | 22:51 |
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| badcloud | which version kernel did you downgrade to? | 22:51 |
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| plate | 2.6.28.10power42 #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 10 01:01:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown | 22:52 |
| plate | i did exactly what that thread suggests: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55710 | 22:52 |
| plate | apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42 | 22:53 |
| badcloud | you mean 'apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42' ? | 22:53 |
| badcloud | whoops, mad delay on my part | 22:53 |
| plate | i didnt check dmesg | 22:53 |
| badcloud | thanks, plate | 22:53 |
| plate | to see why it wouldnt load | 22:54 |
| plate | considering fmrx is a seperate package, perhaps it needs to be rebuilt for each kernel upgrade | 22:54 |
| badcloud | installing, *fingers crossed" | 22:55 |
| plate | theres that ignore-version-mismatch flag you can pass to insmod/modprobe if you want to just grab an old bluetooth/fm module and try loading it | 22:57 |
| plate | not that id recommend that | 22:57 |
| plate | not sure if the module is straight up missing, or has some symbol/depmod issue on loading or what - why dont you run dmesg before downgrading? | 22:57 |
| plate | aap(:#maemo)] Thanks for power-kernel-49! <- and why dont you try upgrading, looks like a new one came out recenrtly | 22:57 |
| badcloud | plate: only line I could find which might be relevant from dmesg "radio_bcm2048: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" | 23:00 |
| badcloud | so you're saying downgrading isn't the way to go? | 23:01 |
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| plate | im saying try upgrading first | 23:16 |
| plate | then downgrading | 23:16 |
| plate | one will work, possibly both will | 23:16 |
| plate | normally depmod would have caught that error during build process, i think | 23:16 |
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| badcloud | downgrading worked :) | 23:22 |
| badcloud | thanks, plate | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | any networking gurus around? | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | my router doesn't answer any DHCP-REQUEST and DHCP-DISCOVER, but only for my laptop | 23:59 |
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