IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-11-21

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kwtm2Hey, is mce the thing that detects whether the N900 is charging? Sometimes I plug in the N900 to the car charger, and the N900 detects this on the microUSB port; but the other end is poorly connected to the car and there is no current/voltage.  Then the N900 decides that this connection is not a charger connection.  Then I seat the car charger properly and now there is enough voltage, but the N900 doesn't realize it can now charge00:05
kwtm2and refuses to charge.00:05
kwtm2If I do stop mce && start mce   will it make it check the charge again?  Or is it something else that can trigger?00:05
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ShadowJKkwtm2, it's bme00:41
DocScrutinizerstop bme; start bme00:44
DocScrutinizermight not result in what you hoped for, but at least doesn't kill anything :-D00:44
DocScrutinizermce is machine|mission_control_entity, and controls screen backlight, LED, kbd slider and backlight, orientation, whatnot else00:46
DocScrutinizerke-recv-test might be interesting00:48
DocScrutinizerke-recv-test c - enable charging mode00:48
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DocScrutinizerat - send USB attached signal00:49
DocScrutinizerde - send USB detached signal00:49
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wiretappeddoes mer do voice calls on n900 yet?01:41
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wiretappedor is there any way to have a recent os and do calling on n900?01:41
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jonwilLatest version of MeeGo should do voice calling AFAIK01:55
jonwilor whatever its being called this week01:55
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wiretappedmeego, thats where i'm a viking02:03
luke-jrwiretapped: Microsoft/Nokia killed N90002:03
wiretappedluke-jr: say it aint so02:04
wiretapped(i'm well aware)02:04
wiretappedhence my asking about community supported dists02:05
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Psiis meego actually ready to be run as the only OS on an n900 yet?02:09
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Macerknow this may sound like a silly question but does the n900 simply not support screen pinching?02:47
Macerie: only 1 screen input max?02:48
robbiethe1stNope; single-touch display02:48
Macerrobbiethe1st: backupmenu doesn't back the kernel up?02:48
Macerand reflash based on which kernel is for which img02:48
Macerah ok02:48
Macerthat explains what happened then02:48
robbiethe1stWell, if you have the stock kernel flashed, any backup will work02:49
Macerwill it be added?02:49
Maceri didn't02:49
Maceri installed power kernel02:49
robbiethe1stif you have a non-stock kernel flashed, you have to make sure that the backup contains the kernel drivers for that version kernel02:49
Macerbut tried to bring back one i backed up with stock02:49
robbiethe1stOne way you can get around it is to flash the kernel via USB flashing.02:49
Macerwhile the power kernel was still there02:49
Maceryeah.. found that out the hard way02:50
nox-btw anyone know if the 1.3.1 update touches the kernel?02:50
Maceris flasher on the device not a viable option?02:50
Macerso backupmenu can flash based on image?02:50
robbiethe1stI'm not going to mess with it, I don't think.02:50
robbiethe1stIt's open source, though, so you can add the functionality if you want, and I might accept it02:50
Maceralright. sorry. i am no dev. i was just asking.02:51
robbiethe1stNah, you're fine. I just don't have time these days02:51
robbiethe1stIn addition, I sort of have to try to port it to the N9 as well... and I've got a job working 45-55 hours/week...02:52
Macerthat's understandable. just thought i'd ask since i had a bad experience with it ;)02:52
Macergot it back up and running tho02:52
Macer45-55 hours a week02:52
robbiethe1stThat's the good part.02:52
Macertell your boss that you have maemo stuff to do :-P02:53
robbiethe1stYeah, anywhere from 9 x5 to 10x5+ 5 hours on saturday.02:53
robbiethe1stAnd until a couple of days ago, I was driving 1 hour too and from each day as well... not much free time there02:53
Macereither way. thanks for backupmenu. but do you think you can make a note about the kernel? in the desc?02:53
Maceror is it there and i just didnt see it?02:54
robbiethe1stUh, maby02:54
robbiethe1stProblem is, I don't have all the files/settings/programs handy, I'd have to redownload/figure it all out again to edit it02:54
Macer:) ok. just thought i would ask.02:55
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jonwil~seen jacekowski04:15
jonwil1.3.1 update does not touch the kernel, it only touches maemo-security-certman, maemo-security-certman-applet and mp-fremantle-blah-pr04:16
DocScrutinizerMacer: robbiethe1st: you *could* backup and restore kernels the brute-force way with nanddump and nandwrite04:18
robbiethe1stI /could/ yes...04:19
robbiethe1stBut that, too, would require messing with it04:19
robbiethe1stAnd that's going to be waiting until at least next week, when I get(a copy of) my main PC running at my new apartment04:19
DocScrutinizer!seen jacekowski04:21
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DocScrutinizerpovbot: seen jacekowski04:21
povbotDocScrutinizer: jacekowski was last seen in #maemo 3 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <jacekowski> not that anybody want to04:21
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: sure thing04:22
DocScrutinizerbtw for HARM you'll need that, as otherwise you can't restore in an aegis-safe way (inodes mustn't change)04:23
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DocScrutinizerunless you completely hack and adopt aegis-do04:23
jonwiloh wait its javispedro I need to talk to :P04:25
DocScrutinizerpovbot: seen javispedro04:26
povbotDocScrutinizer: javispedro was last seen in #maemo 1 day, 9 hours, 33 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <javispedro> s/thought/wondered04:26
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jonwilStill investigating the mysteries of the internet connectivity daemon04:34
jonwiland I have enough evidence now to suggest that a total replacement may not be necessary to support better control over wireless network selection04:34
jonwilNeed to go out soon and grab some logs (dbus and ICD) of what happens when I leave my home WiFi network and switch to 3G04:36
jonwiland what happens when I come back to my home network04:36
jonwilI also need to find somewhere that offers public WiFi so I can verify what gets sent to the phone when I come within range of such a network and when I join such a network.04:37
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jonwilI also need to find out what setting controls that green tick-box on the network list (i.e. preferred or auto-join network) and what components handle that setting but that will come once I have some logs :)04:38
jonwilWas going to go for a nice walk to get this logs and info but its 25 Celsius and getting hotter so I will take a ride on a nice air-conditioned bus instead :)04:39
jonwilPlus, I dont know of anywhere I can walk to that has free WiFi :P04:40
DocScrutinizerI'd happily swap location with you04:41
DocScrutinizeror rather climate04:41
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jonwilwhy, whats it like over there right now?04:42
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you tested *100# ?04:42
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN04:42
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DocScrutinizermeh, friggin bot04:42
DocScrutinizeralmost freezing04:43
jonwiland trust me, you wouldn't want to be here in the height of summer when its 40+ Celsius and all you have is a crappy fan that does little more than move air around04:43
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: no04:44
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DocScrutinizeryeah, heating is way simpler than AC04:50
jonwilyeah the problem is that all portable air-conditioners that exist cost a fortune and totally suck at cooling things down (and most of em go through water like there is no tomorrow)04:52
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SpeedEvilSplit ACs are of the order of $50005:15
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jonwilExcept that I don't have $500 to spend05:56
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lulzfish_4I got a stock N810 a while ago, I'm trying to do anything interesting with it06:01
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luke-jrlulzfish_4: mine is a dedicated kismet server06:15
lulzfish_4also, dedicated?06:16
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lulzfish_4i was hoping to compile sdl or qt applications for it somehow06:19
lulzfish_4maybe gtk if i have to06:19
luke-jrI have KDE installed06:21
luke-jrbut not enough RAM really06:21
luke-jrI run Gentoo06:21
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jonwilok, dbus logging is go, as is ICD logging.  Time to go grab some useful data :)06:24
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jonwilwow, timeless is online. Only now I cant remember why I wanted to talk to him... :P11:22
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psycho_oreosits not about browser-eal is it?11:32
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psycho_oreosbah he's gone11:32
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vi__pov robbiethe1st11:51
vi__!pov robbiethe1st11:51
vi__;pov robbiethe1st11:51
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vi__DocScrutinizer: Good morning.12:06
vi__DocScrutinizer: A question if you will.12:06
vi__Where is the backupmenu script?12:06
vi__I have looked through / and it doesnt look like it, none of the menu text is there for example.12:07
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Sicelo /usr/share/backupmenu/Backupmenu.item12:11
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vi__Sicelo: thank you.  You are a bro.12:15
vi__Sicelo: whould also perhaps know where I may find the charging script the BM uses?12:16
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vi__BM indicates it is /bin/ however that file does not exist!12:19
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Siceloyes, afaik BM doesn't ship a charge script on its own... use ShadowJK's.. i believe that's the one BM refers too12:20
vi__yes, however where is it?12:21
vi__BM indicates a path of /bin/ yet there is no file /bin/charge.sh12:21
vi__does the n900 change root during boot or somthing?12:22
Sicelochange root.. i dunno. save the above script as /bin/chargae.sh12:23
vi__I already have the script.  The n900 charges during BM.12:24
vi__I will have to ask robbie if i ever see him12:24
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vdvjust finished with Fremantle port of GoldenDict 1.0.1 dictionary program, if somebody wants to test, i can share deb file :)12:32
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Ikarusand another N900 dead due to USB port issues :(13:18
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Ikarusanyone know if you still can convince nokia to give you a development N950 ?13:20
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* Ikarus can't go without a working N900 :\ or N950 (N9 is pointless, no keyboard, I use it 80% of the time)13:25
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purrim waiting for TIzenSAmsung goodness. i doubt itll be any less open than n900 (a few firmware blobs etc)13:39
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vi__any resident BM experts here?14:04
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vi__When I try to launch backupmenu root console it fails.14:05
vi__I am promted to enter my password...14:05
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vi__implying the  'busybox getty 115200 tty1 sh' line in BM works.14:06
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vi__I don't get to enter my password14:06
vi__it asks me for username14:06
vi__I enter root and it just crashes back to BM14:07
vi__if I try again I can see the error that occoured after entering user name14:07
vi__it says 'applet not found'14:07
vi__what applet is this?14:07
vi__why is it not found?14:07
vi__Could this be somthing to do with busybox power14:08
x29awhy do you start each line with a -?14:08
vi__Is there a funny character at the star of each of my klines?14:09
x29a<vi__> -what?14:10
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vi__also why does /bin/ exist when I access the device from root console in BM yet not exist when I access it from normal mode?14:10
vi__x29a: I have no idea why a - appears14:11
vi__I am using irssi over ssh on n900.14:11
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vi__'applet not found'14:12
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vi__what applet is this refering to?14:12
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vi__N900, Y U NO MAKE SENSE?14:13
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vi__So busy box says "applet not found" when you request a program it does not contain.  THe error message also details the name of the applet you erroneously asked for14:17
vi__however in my case it is not detailing ANY applet names14:17
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vi__implying it cannot find nothing14:17
vi__which makes 0 fucking sense14:17
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ShadowJKprobably bootmenu uses a different /14:24
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purroh thats interesting, charge.sh14:55
purri have been using pancake's i2c charging script on his website, i think culled from a maemo forum14:55
purralong ith just copying over bme_rx51 and whatever libs it needed to ldd cleanly onto debian14:55
purrbut if theres an official, i'll have to go unsquashFSing images to read it14:55
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Paliping X-Fade15:04
Pali~seen X-Fade15:05
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'.15:05
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lulzfish_4I think we are in Dependency Purgatory and nobody wants to admit it15:15
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* purr yet to try Hildon/GTK apps on debian15:21
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purri have a feeling its going to want the world, quite fast15:22
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purrpulseaudio on maemo was too old to talk to ubuntu's pulse over a network, i couldnt decide which was worth upgrading/backporting15:23
purrbeacuse if i upgrade pulse on maemo, im sure telephony will stop working or so15:23
purrand if i just have a dumb tablet might as well jailbreak iPhone with saurik's toolchain and go all JS for my UI15:23
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purra few of these Tizen posts off LWN mention GTK support (tentative) which lends credence to Xorg still being around, which is good at least15:25
purrpossibility to run this half-decade+ of hildon apps on modern hw15:25
LaoLang_coolHow to end the call? Clicking on the end call bottom on the screen is the only way?15:25
LaoLang_coolSometimes I need to wait about 1 second to let the screen turn on again, so it's a little slow to end the call at that time15:26
jonwilI see no advantage to dropping X from whatever the next iteration of maemo/moblin/meego/whatever ends up being15:26
Phlogistiquepurr: Tizen uses X15:28
purrHTML5 apps - webkit was hooked right up to a fbdev on WebOS15:29
purrfrom an ecosystem standpoint it seems plausible Android emulator / Webkit plugged into fb without X is a possibility being discussed15:30
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bindiso, when can we see this on the n900? :D16:28
SpeedEvilYou need a cert/.16:29
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purr"Your iPhone sends a tons of things to Appleā€™s servers"16:34
purri wonder how many billions NOKIA blew on this OVI crapware that litters MAemo on n90016:35
purrmaps takes like 15 seconds to launch, maep instantly16:35
purrconsidering EFL/GTK are GUI dead-ends as far as mass-adoption, im thinkin an iPod Touch is making more and more sense. Saurik's GCC can byuild anythiung, and id never use a non-HTML5 GUI at this point16:35
chem|stpurr: I was wondering how many billions Nokia will loose by droping maemo/meego16:36
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MohammadAGI bought an iPod touch16:44
MohammadAGit's something I'd recommend you don't buy16:44
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MohammadAGif anything, get an iPhone instead16:44
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MohammadAGthe 256MBs of RAM make a difference16:45
jacekowskiyou've got something with apple on it?16:46
jacekowskidoes it make you feel dirty?16:46
jacekowskiand unfaithful?16:46
MohammadAGjacekowski, no, it makes me feel like I backstabbed myself16:47
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MohammadAGI must admit I bought an iPod, got an iPhone from Orange to lower my bill, and got an iPad 2 as a gift16:47
purri donno, iPAd is 100x as fast as my n900 in unix shell. the Flash storage / system bus or something just pwns16:48
DocScrutinizerit lives, it lives :-D16:48
purrand with cydia, it has apt-get. so its as unixy as n90016:48
purrimo the kernel and videodrivers and windowmanager give X a run for hte money too16:49
MohammadAGso the only thing you need to make something linuxy is apt-get?16:49
MohammadAGI may have 3 iDevices, and may be using one of them as a main device16:50
MohammadAGbut the iPhone is far from "unixy"16:50
MohammadAGwell, "linuxy"16:50
purrit has GCC, a toolchain, a package manager, and a UNIXlike kernel16:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you got a few minutes to review aspects of Tm1 ? Seems modest is completely fsckd up now, for example16:50
MohammadAGit works fine for me16:50
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure I updated both libtinymail and modest16:51
DocScrutinizeraccording to numerous reports it now segfaults immediately after start16:51
MohammadAGsounds like libtinymail then16:51
MohammadAGerr,  did someone start it from terminal and see what it bitches about?16:51
DocScrutinizerok, so if you updated it then bad enough but the fix brought regressions - well shit happens16:51
DocScrutinizerno clue, tmo madness after all16:52
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MohammadAGBTW, iPad apps have one of the best designs for a tablet16:52
MohammadAGevery MeeGo dev should have one, for inspiration or otherwise16:52
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vdvqt quick 1.1 on maemo, possible?16:53
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (inspiration) exactly my words about N810 and openmoko sw devels X-D16:53
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's true16:56
MohammadAGiPad apps are designed very well16:56
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DocScrutinizeryes, but obviously joe average sw devel is *very* shy to look for and copy good example - either they "know it better anyway" or they think it's embarrassing to "spy"16:57
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kwtm2purr: Wait, tell me more. Unix thing on iPad?  My wife has an iPad2 but I haven't been able to (figuratively) pry off the covers and get into the Unix internals.  What is cydia, and what does it let me do?16:58
DocScrutinizerexcept for Nokia GUI/UX designers who obviously have a sense for picking the worst out of android and iOS and define meego according to it16:59
DocScrutinizerbuzzwords tracker-"fs", no c&p16:59
MohammadAGkwtm2, iPad 2 isn't JB'able unless you BOUGHT it on 4.3.3 and saved SHSHs16:59
MohammadAGif you thought Nokia's flasher strict-ness is bad, get an iPhone and learn how it's updated/flashed17:00
kwtm2I see.  At work we are looking to get some new portable hardware (bring it into the room with clients rather than just having computers at our workstation.)  I said I didn't want an iPad like everyone else because I can't hack it.  If there is a mod available, I'm interested.17:00
MohammadAGbasically, you download an unsigned image from Apple's server that can't be flashed17:00
MohammadAGthen iTunes extracts it somewhere (probably encrypted parts in memory?) and signs it, then sends it to the device17:01
MohammadAGthe signature is generated on Apple's servers, pre iOS5 this could be saved using some apps that request it from apple's servers17:01
MohammadAGbut post iOS5, the signature can only be used once17:01
DocScrutinizerhah, that's nice! on-site-signing, can get RE'd17:01
kwtm2Ok, will leave it alone.  Netbook it is, Windows Something and then dual-boot linux.17:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, signatures are blacklisted after being used once now17:02
MohammadAGwonder what happens when they run out of signatures17:02
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MohammadAGoh wait17:02
MohammadAGtheortically they can't17:02
DocScrutinizersure, or when IPv8 numberspace expires17:02
MohammadAGthe signature includes the device's IMEI or UUID or something17:03
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MohammadAGso each device has some million-signatures17:03
chem|stDocScrutinizer: so they need to come up witha new idea in about 15 years...17:03
MohammadAGmy iPad 2 isn't JB'able17:03
MohammadAGI must say it's fun to use, doesn't replace a laptop but for web stuff it's awesome17:03
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MohammadAGkwtm2, the iPad 1 is fully hackable17:04
MohammadAGthe screen is pixelated as fuck on all iPads though17:04
DocScrutinizerI won't touch that shit unless Siri gets more spirit than ELIZA17:04
MohammadAG1024*768 I think17:04
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DocScrutinizeryou noticed Siri is the first *real* AI coming soon, that also has perspective to really spy on everyone of us?17:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, Siri is useless without Apple's servers17:06
DocScrutinizerso is google17:07
MohammadAGbasically, nothing is done on the iPhone besides the actual recording17:07
MohammadAGtrue, but it's being advertised without saying "You need a fucking connection"17:07
DocScrutinizerif it was done on-board I'd not be concerned17:07
MohammadAGI'd be way more interested if it was on board17:07
MohammadAGbut the concept of Siri is awesome17:08
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DocScrutinizerbut ECHELON is a ridiculous toy compared to what Siri might be in two or three years17:08
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MohammadAGI like how iTunes doesn't restore passwords if you changed phones17:10
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DocScrutinizerSiri could eavesdrop and analyze all talks on a table in a restaurant by using the devices of random neighbour tables' guests, even when the participants on that table all have no devices at all17:10
* lardman|lab wonders how hard sentance recog is17:10
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MohammadAGsentance recognition isn't the difficult part in a Siri clone17:10
MohammadAGit's the fact you can ask it anything, without having to memorize commands17:10
DocScrutinizer~spell sentance17:11
infobotpossible spellings for sentance: sentence sentience stance sentenced sentences suntans suntan's sentence's suntan Santana's sentience's17:11
SpeedEvilsun tans17:11
lardman|labdoh s/a/e17:11
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MohammadAGSaying what's the weather like on android simply googles "What's the weather like"17:11
MohammadAGcorrect my mistake as per lard's17:11
lardman|labMohammadAG: well you'd then make it guess a la chatbot what the user is asking for I imagine17:12
lardman|labor even with a large hardcoded set of keywords, etc.17:12
SpeedEvilOr you pass it off to a human if there is any doubt.17:12
SpeedEvilAnd then feed that humans response back to the database.17:12
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, Siri probably works like that :p17:12
fluxdocscrutinizer, that'd be actually quite a cool eavesdropping app ;-)17:12
DocScrutinizerwhich is exactly what Siri does all the time :-D17:12
lardman|labwould be nice to do on-device though, even if it's not Siri-tastic17:12
MohammadAG"Quick, Bill, make up a story where babies come from, some kid's asking about that"17:13
MohammadAG"Fuck this Joe, I can't think of anything"17:13
* lardman|lab thinks at least the start of the answer was correct17:14
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the fun bit is: on Siri very same moment at least 273 users talk about where babies come from to Siri at this very moment17:14
MohammadAGand that's how this happened
DocScrutinizerso Siri doesn't basically need dedicated moderators17:14
MohammadAGlardman|lab, LOL17:14
DocScrutinizerthe huge userbase moderates itself17:15
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MohammadAGwould be fun if it actually learns from you17:16
DocScrutinizeryou bet it does17:16
MohammadAGafter 20 times or os17:16
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lardman|labit should perhaps how old you are and how you can afford an iPhone if you're not yet 1017:17
lardman|labor these days s/10/5 I imagine17:17
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MohammadAGNokia's sending my other N950 today17:18
MohammadAGbasically my third one from them17:18
DocScrutinizeror maybe :-S17:18
MohammadAGwith the second one still unclaimable by me or them17:18
DocScrutinizeras then we again will miss any antention from you on fremantle17:19
MohammadAGyou know I won't do that17:19
MohammadAGunless you port Aegis to fremantle17:19
lardman|labI seem to remember Sphinx worked passably17:19
* lardman|lab ponders about speech recognition17:20
DocScrutinizerfor whatever metrics of "passable" - yes it does17:20
MohammadAGthere's an open source speech recognition engine?17:21
lardman|labit's in the Fremantle repo too17:21
MohammadAGoh nice17:21
lardman|labafair, I think I uploaded it17:21
DocScrutinizerthere's even a tmo thread about it17:22
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DocScrutinizerthat probably stalled some 9 moths ago with me promising to eventually come up with a spec for a general S2T-interface and plugin17:22
MohammadAGtime to jailbreak this shit17:23
DocScrutinizeralas such a plugin needs severe messin with IM17:23
DocScrutinizerHIM actually17:23
SpeedEvilThe sad part about Siri/Google-voice-whatever-they-call-it - is that it makes it much harder for on-device recognition to get traction.17:24
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lardman|labWhat quality of voice data do they send back?17:24
MohammadAGI wonder if DFU mode on iOS means Device Fucked Up17:24
lardman|labpresumably quite low, must get expensive17:24
MohammadAGlardman|lab, send back?17:25
lardman|labback to the server to decode it17:25
MohammadAGSiri is a text to speech engine17:25
MohammadAGSPEEX compressed WAV afaik17:25
MohammadAGok, it's stuck at uploading ramdisk17:25
* MohammadAG oh shits17:25
lardman|labI thought Siri was the whole shebang - speech -> text -> interpretation -> result presentation with spoken confirmation along the way?17:26
MohammadAGnothing is done on device besides recording17:26
MohammadAGbasically, someone got "Siri" running on a PC afaik17:26
lardman|labah ok, so the returned data is provided by the server too17:26
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: pcketsphinx:
lardman|labpresumably with some hooks into the local data17:27
lardman|labdoc: link?17:27
lardman|labblank pages?17:27
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MohammadAGkernel didn't segfault17:28
MohammadAGooh, iOS uses fsck17:28
MohammadAGI think I saw btrfs somewhere there17:29
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lardman|labfor reference
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vdvis there any solid qml based apps for maemo? example?17:39
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lardman|labthanks DocScrutinizer17:44
* lardman|lab is tempted, but really should get mBarcode for the N9(50) finished17:44
lardman|labtoo many tempting things to hack at, not enough hands or time17:45
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rm_worklardman|lab: are you doing a frontend UI or just a backend library?17:48
lardman|labam using ZXing as the decoder library, so just the frontend stuff, plugins, history, handing the data once decoded, camera/video handling, etc17:49
rm_workah :P17:49
rm_workI remember we tried to use ZXing before but wasn't it OOC?17:49
lardman|labit's Java, but there's a C++ port17:50
rm_workthat makes things much easier17:50
rm_workso you hooking it up to a UPC database?17:50
lardman|labnot sure the port is ideal, but I was planning on getting the frontend sorted out quickly, then doing some work on the backend17:50
lardman|labunfiortunately this frontend porting/updating has taken far far too long17:50
rm_workI need to go back and redo Pandora again, except the right way this time, and from a current version instead of (what I found out later was) a really old version :P17:51
lardman|labIt will be hooked up eventually, but not in mBarcode itself, in another app which I am writing, but which is now also stalled because I need to get mBarcode finished17:51
lardman|labhaving a 3 month old daughter seriously reduces coding hours17:52
rm_workyou find a better UPC database to use than the one I used way back when?17:52
rm_workyeah, i can imagine17:52
rm_workCongratulations, BTW! I'17:52
lardman|labrm_work: not really looked yet, was thinking of using a number and scraping Amazon too17:52
rm_workI've been too absent recently myself, I missed that!17:52
lardman|labrm_work: thanks :)17:52
rm_workAlso, half wondering what is going to happen to the community now :(17:53
lardman|labNemo in the mid-term I guess, then see what new hw comes out17:53
rm_workSeriously doubting I'll have a chance to hang out with the whole gang again, which is a bit sad17:54
lardman|labyeah, I was looking forward to an Autumn Harmattan conference17:54
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SpeedEvillardman|lab: I did point you at tescos API for barcodes?18:03
SpeedEvilI forget.18:03
SpeedEvilSend it a barcode, it returns product info.18:03
SpeedEvilNutrition, ...18:04
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Z3ROC00Lhello people , i just had to format my phone an lost a script that locks the desktop from moving or editing short cuts anybody  how to sort it .?18:52
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infoboti guess cssu is
chem|stis the cssu upgrade in a different repo?19:24
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chem|stS/N in here is really bad! 2days of backlog and 0.x% signal...19:30
chem|stDocScrutinizer: now it show, I think my ham did not like me!19:30
DocScrutinizerchem|st: just make sure you haven't disabled basic Nokia repos19:31
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DocScrutinizerand you might want to manually upgrade this friggin libqttest* crap, if you got it19:32
chem|stDocScrutinizer: anything about these modest-tinymail issues?19:33
DocScrutinizersome devels calim WFM while some users report complete fsckup19:33
chem|sthave you got a gingerbread handy?19:34
DocScrutinizerI'm sure you could downgrade tinymail/modest if you like to19:34
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chem|stupgrading now, if modest is fscked up I still have ssh19:35
DocScrutinizeror even go for Stable, which kicked it completely in favour of the stock version, for now ;-D19:35
chem|st"go for stabele"?19:35
chem|styou mean install from nokia repos?19:36
chem|stor cssu stable19:36
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DocScrutinizerthe forthcoming CSSU-Stable version, which basically is 16.8 *minus* modest/tinymail *minus* nicocam, and with conservative presets19:36
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: for modest ~WFM19:41
infobotmodest is, like, s h i t19:41
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chem|stwhat I like is to have a connection based smtp, what is needed at uni's and in several company networks19:43
chem|stDocScrutinizer: still the question if you got a gingerbread device handy?!19:43
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chem|stgot to hunt some food down, later19:44
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badcloudis there an iwad loader for prboom which can be installed on the n900?19:49
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badcloudis there a better nes emulator than ines maemo? the sound emulation is clunky and it doesn't read zip files19:56
badcloudshould have added an 'and' before that last one19:56
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bash`hi all19:58
bash`I need help flashing my n900, it doesn't start anymore!19:58
infoboti guess maemo-flashing is
bash`I already flashed it many times, but this time nothing happens:19:58
bash`slonopotamus: thanks but I already read that19:58
bash`cdc_phonet is already blacklisted19:59
bash`$ lsmod | grep cdc19:59
bash`any help is appreciated. thanks19:59
slonopotamusafter that msg you plug n900 into usb and press pwr button on it20:00
bash`Unable to enumerate USB devices!20:00
bash`that's what the flasher says, then it exits20:00
slonopotamusdo you run flasher as root?20:00
bash`[  451.376688] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device number 12 using ehci_hcd20:01
bash`[  451.770129] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 1220:01
bash`dmesg ^20:01
slonopotamusthat's irrelevant to my question20:01
bash`slonopotamus: I use "sudo flasher" then yes, I'm running it as root20:01
slonopotamusbash`: i think you answered this question already back in 2010 :D
bash`let me see20:03
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bash`eh, I forgot that, but I reflashed my phone last month and there is no need to downgrade libusb20:03
bash`in fact "blacklist cdc_phonet" >> modprobe.conf is the proper way to fix that20:04
bash`and I already did that20:04
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DocScrutinizerbash`: blacklist ehci_hcd20:08
bash`DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to work20:10
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DocScrutinizerohwell, the us another PC with another OS20:11
DocScrutinizerthen use*20:11
bash`you say?20:11
bash`ok...I hope the problem is the OS...20:11
keriobash`: i use you as my login shell! honored to meet you!20:11
bash`kerio: I use myself too20:12
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TofeHello !20:13
bash`ok...see you later20:14
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TofeOne little question: to submit a bug about a package (on N900), is there a bugzilla, or something ?20:14
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Toferootsh: the rootsh.prerm has a typo in the if...fi20:14
SpeedEvilFor example20:15
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SpeedEvilSee the bugtracker link20:15
Tofeokay, will look at it. thanks20:15
Tofeyep, well, no bugtracker, maybe it's possible to send a message to the maintainer20:16
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DocScrutinizerTofe: >> wonder why you haven't promoted this new version (1.8) to extras-testing ? The 1.5 version has a serious bug with the uninstallation procedure. There is a shell typo there that makes (by accident) the original /usr/bin/gainroot be overwritten by the one provided in the package. rootsh 1.8 does not have this problem.<<20:18
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badcloudanyone else have strange sound issues in ines?20:19
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DocScrutinizer>> Attila Csipa Karma: 1425  Looks like it's an orphan package, unless qwerty12 comes back. 2010-09-01 11:25 UTC <<20:19
DocScrutinizerTofe: ^^^^20:20
TofeDocScrutinizer: well well well...20:20
DocScrutinizeryou could probably claim maintainership for the package20:20
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Tofeanyway, to become root I just type "root". what's the point of rootsh then ?20:21
DocScrutinizerLOL, exactly that20:21
Tofe(I'm brand new to meamo, I recieved my n900 yesterday, so I *may* speak nonsense)20:21
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SpeedEvilSpeaking nonesense is encouraged.20:21
DocScrutinizerwithout pkg rootsh you won't have any cmd _`root`20:22
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DocScrutinizerIOW, pkg rootsh provides "sudo gainroot" and "root"20:22
Tofeaha,  funny, I used "root" to modify the prerm file and uninstall rootsh :p20:23
TofeI see the irony now20:23
Tofeso, rootsh will never make it to the extra repo ?20:24
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bashlnxDocScrutinizer: doesn't work in windows neither20:27
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Tofeok well, rootsh reinstalled and re-fixed. not so much of a problem, but not too clean either20:27
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SpeedEvilI say go for it.20:49
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bash`DocScrutinizer: recovered...20:49
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DocScrutinizerTofe: [2011-11-21 19:20:56] <DocScrutinizer> you could probably claim maintainership for the package20:58
DocScrutinizerbash`: how?20:58
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bash`DocScrutinizer: reflashing only PR_COMBINED20:59
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TofeDocScrutinizer: well, I could, but I'm quite new to all this maemo tools, I may make stupid mistakes21:00
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DocScrutinizernah, the process of uploading to extras-devel and promoting from there to -testing to extras proper is so tough defined and backed up by safety checks, you can't hardly spoil anything there21:02
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DocScrutinizerbut thinking of it, I might do it as well21:03
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DocScrutinizerparticularly for rootsh which is as tiny a pkg a starhash-enabler21:04
Tofeas you prefer21:05
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aapThanks for power-kernel-49! Great work.21:58
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badcloudanyone get the fmradio to work?22:44
badcloudI've been trying some of the methods from mount c /home/raanan/.wine/drive_c/22:45
badcloudtried methods from ^ link22:47
badcloudbut always get "Cannot load fm driver module"22:47
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platei had TO downgrade teo a yearold kernel for FM to work22:49
platenot sure wtf i did other than install power-kernel and apt-get upgrade unnecessarily22:49
* plate baleted apt, dpkg, and /var/lib/dpkg so i dont upgrade again. maemo is effectively stable22:49
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badcloudplate: yeesh22:50
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badclouddid you lose any functionality from kernel downgrade?22:50
platethe "new" kernel was still 2.6.28, so who knows what was changed22:50
platei have 1 remaining issue with Maemo, registration timeout no matter which KEepalive settings are chosen22:51
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platepossibly a voip-provider issue, but im paying for a DID that rarely takes cals as a result22:51
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badcloudwhich version kernel did you downgrade to?22:51
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plate #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 10 01:01:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown22:52
platei did exactly what that thread suggests:
plateapt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo4222:53
badcloudyou mean 'apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42' ?22:53
badcloudwhoops, mad delay on my part22:53
platei didnt check dmesg22:53
badcloudthanks, plate22:53
plateto see why it wouldnt load22:54
plateconsidering fmrx is a seperate package, perhaps it needs to be rebuilt for each kernel upgrade22:54
badcloudinstalling, *fingers crossed"22:55
platetheres that ignore-version-mismatch flag you can pass to insmod/modprobe if you want to just grab an old bluetooth/fm module and try loading it22:57
platenot that id recommend that22:57
platenot sure if the module is straight up missing, or has some symbol/depmod issue on loading or what - why dont you run dmesg before downgrading?22:57
plate aap(:#maemo)] Thanks for power-kernel-49! <- and why dont you try upgrading, looks like a new one came out recenrtly22:57
badcloudplate: only line I could find which might be relevant from dmesg "radio_bcm2048: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module"23:00
badcloudso you're saying downgrading isn't the way to go?23:01
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plateim saying try upgrading first23:16
platethen downgrading23:16
plateone will work, possibly both will23:16
platenormally depmod would have caught that error during build process, i think23:16
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badclouddowngrading worked :)23:22
badcloudthanks, plate23:22
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DocScrutinizerany networking gurus around?23:58
DocScrutinizermy router doesn't answer any DHCP-REQUEST and DHCP-DISCOVER, but only for my laptop23:59

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