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| xqo | hi | 03:13 |
| xqo | what is the general opinion about the N9? is it everything we hoped? | 03:13 |
| xqo | oh wait n9 is meego isnt it | 03:14 |
| NIN101 | it is harmattan, not the meego known from meego.com or so. | 03:15 |
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| Robot101 | xqo: its a really nice phone | 03:18 |
| xqo | Robot101 | 03:18 |
| Robot101 | *really* nice, much more polished than the N900 | 03:18 |
| xqo | <SpeedEvil> If you're happy with a phone that is way more locked-down than the n900, with no opportunity to change kernel or add modules, or moduify system scripts, then fine. | 03:18 |
| Robot101 | xqo: it's harder to do "general linux" stuff on there - its locked quite a lot as SpeedEvil says (said?) | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | if I wanted a phone, I'd use Android | 03:19 |
| Robot101 | but as a consumer product, and I can turn on a terminal and ssh to my IRC, I am so happy with it | 03:19 |
| xqo | ok | 03:19 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: Android can too | 03:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a nice consumer product. | 03:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | But the product can't be polished by external devs to nearly the same extent that the n900 can. | 03:19 |
| Robot101 | luke-jr: yeah, but we worked a lot more on the N9 than Android. Google can suck my nuts - at least Nokia were trying to do something with real OSS. | 03:20 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: Free software != we do all the work for no gain | 03:20 |
| Robot101 | I'm sorry to say it, but #maemo didn't make the N9 | 03:21 |
| nox- | there should just be a knob to turn this aegis stuff off... | 03:21 |
| xqo | so where do you go if you want a real opensource phone that is also a nice consumer product? | 03:22 |
| Robot101 | nox-: there was meant to be, an open mode which disabled certain apps / features - I knew when that was promised it wouldn't happen though :/ | 03:22 |
| Robot101 | xqo: utopia :( | 03:22 |
| xqo | x.x | 03:22 |
| Robot101 | openmoko freerunner was too much opensource and not enough competent product management | 03:22 |
| Robot101 | there were 3 partly done platforms | 03:22 |
| xqo | i actually ahve that, Robot101 | 03:22 |
| Robot101 | people rewriting stuff all over the place | 03:22 |
| xqo | have* | 03:22 |
| xqo | but it cant be used as a phone | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | xqo: phones suck anyway | 03:23 |
| Robot101 | nobody who actually sat on top and said MAKE ONE THING. MAKE IT GOOD. MAKE GSM PHONE CALLS WORK BEFORE YOU PORT ASTERISK TO IT. | 03:23 |
| Robot101 | geeks can't make a nice product on their own. they need designers and some management. :) | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: nonsense | 03:23 |
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| luke-jr | give us the hardware and specs, and we will make a platform far superior to anything the commercial industry has | 03:24 |
| Robot101 | that happened with freerunner, right? oh wait... no. | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | no | 03:24 |
| Robot101 | superior by your criteria, not by any normal people's standards. geeks will make it work as well as they want and then stop. | 03:24 |
| xqo | Robot101, theres another phone coming in the spirit of openmoko. GTA04 | 03:24 |
| xqo | according to #meego | 03:25 |
| Robot101 | it's like KDE and GNOME both needed huge influx of corporate investment and designers to actually start to become usable, with accessibility, design, usabilities studies, polish, etc | 03:25 |
| Robot101 | note: they also stayed real OSS projects when this happened | 03:25 |
| Robot101 | but they weren't made by geeks alone | 03:25 |
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| luke-jr | xqo: last I heard, GTA04 was crap | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: KDE and GNOME both suck for the last few years, far worse than they used to | 03:26 |
| Robot101 | luke-jr: see previous - your criteria don't match other people's. | 03:26 |
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| luke-jr | I beg to differ | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | "Address book doesn't work at all" I think would be a problem for most other people too | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | ditto for "everything crashes more" | 03:27 |
| Robot101 | ubuntu has taken GNOME to millions of users now | 03:27 |
| Robot101 | the address book and "everything" doesn't crash | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | Ubuntu has abandoned GNOME | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | KAddressBook doesn't *work* | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | and everything useful *does* crash too often | 03:27 |
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| Robot101 | Ubuntu uses millions of lines of code from GNOME - but admittedly they have started making it worse. but this is orthogonal to my point. | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | not sure you can get much worse than GNOME | 03:28 |
| Robot101 | these OSS projects were improved and made more popular by corporate investment which brought design, management and focused investment towards specific goals | 03:28 |
| pabs3 | luke-jr: whats crap in gta04 (apart from the fsf/wireless stupidity)? | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | pabs3: hardware specs | 03:28 |
| Robot101 | without this, it's far less likely you will get "generally usable" popular software as a result | 03:29 |
| pabs3 | luke-jr: its an improvement on gta02, so better than nothing IMO | 03:29 |
| M4rtinK | pabs3: IIRC the hardware should be about on Beagleboard/N900 level | 03:29 |
| M4rtinK | + integrated navigation board (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Navigation_Board_v3) | 03:30 |
| M4rtinK | with FreeRunner LCD (480*640) and case | 03:30 |
| M4rtinK | and an optional 1.3 MPix camera | 03:31 |
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| luke-jr | pabs3: maybe, but I don't want a phone. | 03:32 |
| luke-jr | 1.3 mpix is crap | 03:32 |
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| M4rtinK | well, to call IT a phone :) | 03:35 |
| M4rtinK | it should be Open Hardware, go rip some camera from an Iphone and install it yourself :P | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | … | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | tbh, I'd prefer 12 mpix from my next handheld | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | but no less than 8 | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh that'S plain insane as SpeedEvil can explain to you using basic optic physical laws | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It's quite possible. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It will however mean a fairly large lens, if you want it to be a real 12MP. | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | while it's even common knowledge now that a lot of lesser-pixel cams have better picture quality than the 10+ class | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | And that implies things about the depth of the camera. | 04:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | What would be awesome would be a camera that was able to maintain a sharp image when moving somewhat. | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | buzzword noise, sensitivity | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Which implies things about the sensor. | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yes, I referred to a cam module to fit into an ever slimmer mobile phone | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously a hasselblad 25mp is better in every aspect than a 12mp embedded module - simply because of physical size of *everything* in it | 04:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you can't get reasonable 20mp in a phone as flat as N9 | 04:25 |
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| M4rtinK | well, the Neo case is thick enough :) | 04:38 |
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| beford | I want n9 :C | 05:01 |
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| luke-jr | beford: I don't. | 05:02 |
| beford | give me yours | 05:02 |
| beford | :· | 05:02 |
| beford | :3 | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | don't have one. | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | also, just because I don't want one doesn't mean I wouldn't put it to good use if I had one :p | 05:03 |
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| jonwil | No cellphone I know of can have a lens and sensor size good enough to beat even a low-mid tier digital camera without making the phone too fat | 05:05 |
| beford | haha, yea, well I am not even sure if I should get one, so hopefully the n900 will stay with me for a while | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: phones suck. | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | if it fits in my pocket, it's not too fat. | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | … well ok, I need to be able to type with one hand too | 05:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonwil: I disagree | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: just said that | 05:20 |
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| luke-jr | :P | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sat2050: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900 | 08:34 |
| sat2050 | checking it now thx | 08:36 |
| sat2050 | but i want to use emmc | 08:36 |
| sat2050 | and i am thinking of a way to access it without booting | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | err? | 08:37 |
| * psycho_oreos guesses its something similar to either a chroot setup or a virtualised environment. Neither of which are possible | 08:38 | |
| * DocScrutinizer is tempted to say "use eMMC? sure, we all like to use it. Access it without booting? Now *that* was a nice trick really!" | 08:39 | |
| psycho_oreos | this is why a spare N900 comes in handy :) You won't have to worry about the lack of `phones' | 08:42 |
| hiemanshu | not everyone has monies for spare phones | 08:42 |
| sat2050 | i hv a spare one right now | 08:43 |
| sat2050 | and i want to experiment a little since i have never worked on arm devices before | 08:43 |
| psycho_oreos | contrary, you could just pick up a dump phone at a very cheap price, chuck the SIM card in and voila! you won't have to worry about your N900 not being able to make/receive calls/SMS, etc | 08:43 |
| psycho_oreos | s/dump/dumb/ | 08:43 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: contrary, you could just pick up a dumb phone at a very cheap price, chuck the SIM card in and voila! you won't have to worry about your N900 not being able to make/receive calls/SMS, etc | 08:44 |
| sat2050 | i am not worried about making calls and sms | 08:44 |
| sat2050 | i hv a phone for that | 08:44 |
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| sat2050 | do we have an architecture document | 08:45 |
| sat2050 | ? | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | TI has | 08:45 |
| psycho_oreos | ^ | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | courtesy humble me and SpeedEvil, mostly | 08:47 |
| sat2050 | awesome thx | 08:48 |
| sat2050 | should have searched before posting sorry | 08:48 |
| jonwil | bah, my N900 work is going nowhere. The connectivity UI logic is just too complex to clone, as is the certificate manager dialogs library and the nokia maps stuff :( | 08:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, tried something like queenbeecon widget or desktop execution widget? | 08:54 |
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| flux | jonwil, you have an n900 rewrite project going on? | 09:04 |
| jonwil | no, I am cloning specific useful bits of code | 09:04 |
| jonwil | where there is benefit to changing things | 09:04 |
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| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: thank you! Reading it | 09:05 |
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| BigWookie | Hey anyone knows a command to turn on the flashlight on the n900 via command line | 09:07 |
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| BigWookie | I can't physically access the n900 but I stream the webcam and the light is off... | 09:08 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I'm using ash as my interative shell, how to define commands to run at start-up, is it possible? | 09:12 |
| jabis | BigWookie: I think you can start it with " /etc/init.d/flashlight-extra start " to the terminal, but I'm unsure whether it will disable your stream | 09:13 |
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| BigWookie | jabis: do I have to install an application for it or can I controll it via dbus? | 09:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | I think upstart handles init stuff LaoLang_cool but I have had issues getting basic things to work. If that doesn't work maybe using the legacy rc way might | 09:14 |
| jabis | BigWookie: I thought you were talking 'bout the flashlight app x) | 09:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: I mean to run commands at the starts up of ash, not of the OS | 09:16 |
| BigWookie | jabis: I meant the torch on the back itself | 09:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | say, when I start ash, the screen will run automatically | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | BigWookie: I don't think this flashlight-extra will pan out. You might want to have a look into lfocus (or similar) python app though | 09:17 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, umm ash gets startup pretty much at boot time.. Unless you meant when you for instance when you open up x-terminal | 09:17 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: yes, I mean it, you understand me, thank you ;p | 09:18 |
| LaoLang_cool | when I open a x-term, some commands can be run automatically. | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: not really | 09:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, its been awhile since I last used ash, it might be .local or .rc iinm I personally use bash these days | 09:21 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, well true, but heck it still gets loaded up fairly early :) | 09:21 |
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| jabis | BigWookie: http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: it's like every other shell, either ~/.profile or ~/.login or ~/bashrc or some other file like that | 09:22 |
| jabis | oh - Doc beat me to it x) | 09:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh .bashrc is for bash imo | 09:23 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh crap *slaps self in forehead* yeah .profile | 09:23 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thanks, it works, thank you psycho_oreos too | 09:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you won't believe it, friggin messybox uses .bashrc too | 09:23 |
| vdv | how can i enable filters in Hildon Menu? i use qt | 09:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, that's news :/ ah well I stopped using ash for quite awhile now.. sometimes I really cannot stand how it lacks the ability to glob entities | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~meesybox | 09:25 |
| BigWookie | DocScrutinizer, jabis : already found the solution in the lfocus package :) thanks, but now I can't reach the n900 anymore xD | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 09:25 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 09:25 |
| psycho_oreos | though lol busybox is different otoh, it provides tools other than just ash. Ok I'll admit that busybox is crap in general but for every other sense it really has all these extra tools which may come in handy when you're stuck in a bind | 09:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | none of those tools really is a full replacement for the original bit in unix toolbox | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | try ps | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | try top | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | try ls | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | try <younameit> | 09:29 |
| psycho_oreos | well no I meant other tools lol, busybox-power provides many tools though | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | busybox ps --help :-( | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | options: <none>, easy to memorize | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly you don't want to use messybox as an interactive shell | 09:31 |
| psycho_oreos | you have to before you install bash for instance :D | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I can install bash from HAM ;-P | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I still will have to use messybox to start bash, or set it as default | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't change the result of ps --help though, as that's still messy then | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you probably want a number of other basic pkgs as well, like coreutils, procps, less, whatnot else | 09:35 |
| psycho_oreos | or you could just install bm and not worry about ash ;) though if you screw up your kernel, bootloader otoh :D | 09:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns and points at | 09:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtolls | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 09:37 |
| infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 09:37 |
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| LaoLang_cool | The function of task in n900 is too limited... | 10:00 |
| LaoLang_cool | I even can't add note for it | 10:00 |
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| Macer | hm | 10:26 |
| Macer | idling the n900 looks like it can last 2-3 days | 10:26 |
| Sicelo | even longer | 10:26 |
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| Macer | i never tried it. ;) i always have to mess with it | 10:27 |
| Sicelo | i 'controlled' my use one time ago, lasted 3 days | 10:27 |
| Macer | wow | 10:28 |
| Macer | no use at all? | 10:28 |
| Sicelo | but idling completely.. you are looking at at least 5 days.. i forget how long SpeedEvil, or ShadowJK idled theirs | 10:28 |
| Sicelo | about 8 days iinm | 10:28 |
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| Sicelo | on idle, mine (with PK47) consumes about 4-5mA. my battery is around 1400mAh, so at idle, that equates to around 240 hours, 10 days ;) | 10:30 |
| Sicelo | no, 280 :P | 10:31 |
| psycho_oreos | 18:32pm up 83 days 15:11, 0 users, load average: 0.61, 0.30, 0.11 | 10:32 |
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| Sicelo | it's adhoc wifi and the lcd that seem to be the biggest power-hogs, at least based on my usage patterns. i find it interesting that radio uses more power than playing music | 10:32 |
| Sicelo | wow psycho_oreos \0/ | 10:32 |
| psycho_oreos | Sicelo, ok ok I lied, I have that N900 on permanent charge lol | 10:33 |
| Sicelo | i understand that..it's the uptime that's impressive..max i have achieved so far is about 8 days uptime.. but then, N900 is my primary device | 10:34 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I have my N900 as my primary and my spare device as well (I actually have three N900 fyi). Though my primary N900 gets sluggish after 4 days of normal usage, so sluggish that I'm tempted to reboot the damn thing. ShadowJK mentioned that it was to do with the fragmentation of the swap file and suggested a workaround but I have yet to properly try the workaround | 10:36 |
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| Sicelo | making me envious, lol | 10:37 |
| psycho_oreos | I have a photo as a teaser on my tmo signature :D | 10:37 |
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| vdv | if i set Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation Attribute on top level widget, rotation occurs, but when i tap in text field to type some text it switches to landscape mode and only then shows keyboard, i.e. on-screen keyboard doesn't work in portrait mode. how can fix that? | 10:51 |
| woldrich | psycho_oreos, yeah? my current n900 have an uptime of 96 days | 10:52 |
| psycho_oreos | woldrich, spare or primary? lol | 10:52 |
| LaoLang_cool | lock code has to be at least 5 char, too long... | 10:52 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I don't care the security much, two width is enough for me | 10:53 |
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| woldrich | psycho_oreos, well it's the primary one, but I seldom go outside, so it's connected to the computer and charging 90% of the day. is that cheating? :p | 10:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | woldrich, heh not cheating but you haven't printed that uptime string ;) | 10:54 |
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| woldrich | when I use it I mostly use it from another computer over ssh :( | 10:56 |
| woldrich | (Real Keyboard)++ | 10:56 |
| woldrich | it's fairly easy to make it unstable enough to crasch by spawning some random gui apps | 10:57 |
| psycho_oreos | I wouldn't deem those as cheating, heck I hardly use my spare over prolonged periods. My other excuse for not using its keyboard is that I don't want the paint from the keys to drop | 10:57 |
| woldrich | lol | 10:57 |
| psycho_oreos | my primary N900 has an aftermarket keyboard fyi | 10:58 |
| woldrich | what does that mean? | 10:58 |
| * woldrich have no idea but is already jealous | 10:58 | |
| psycho_oreos | meaning that its not original, not by nokia :) | 10:58 |
| woldrich | external? | 10:58 |
| psycho_oreos | I bet the keyboard was meant to be for replacing fake N900 keyboard pads, but oh well | 10:59 |
| woldrich | uhhum. | 10:59 |
| psycho_oreos | nah its the actual keyboard pad on the N900, like when you flip your keyboard out from the device | 10:59 |
| woldrich | I see | 10:59 |
| Macer | heh | 11:00 |
| psycho_oreos | nothing special, just the original keyboard pad had some paint falling off and as a result the backlight LED are annoying when your tapping away at night in a dark area | 11:00 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: my old one had the same problem | 11:00 |
| Macer | and i am sure my new one will as well | 11:01 |
| Macer | i need a couple spares | 11:01 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, you ever replaced it with an aftermarket for your old one or you never bothered? | 11:01 |
| Macer | the paint fades from clacking on it | 11:01 |
| Macer | i never bothered | 11:01 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - me too. | 11:01 |
| Macer | it broke before i did ;) | 11:01 |
| Macer | i was just about to | 11:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'm trying my best to avoid using hardware keyboard but its just too tempting lol.. whenever touching the warm screen gives you that weird fuzzy feeling simply doesn't turn you on ;) *hint to those N9 lovers who think hardware keyboard is never needed* | 11:02 |
| Macer | haha | 11:02 |
| Macer | i can't do without the qwerty | 11:03 |
| Macer | i am going to order some spares soon | 11:03 |
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| Macer | i am sure they are fake | 11:03 |
| psycho_oreos | better fake than none :D | 11:03 |
| Macer | right now i just dropped $800 on 4 3TB hard drives | 11:03 |
| Macer | sigh | 11:03 |
| Macer | that should have cost 600-700 | 11:03 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: true | 11:04 |
| Macer | especially since there probably arent too many people making them anymore | 11:04 |
| psycho_oreos | for now I resort to using SSH over wifi and even touchscreen inputs whenever possible with my N900 | 11:04 |
| Macer | i had to return my cover s well | 11:04 |
| Macer | the molding was off | 11:05 |
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| Macer | $20 for messed up molding? | 11:05 |
| Macer | cmon china! | 11:05 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, heh who knows, with the fake N900 being sold, I'm sure there might just be a little push for demand every so often for spare cloned parts ;) | 11:05 |
| Macer | be for real! | 11:05 |
| Macer | fake ones? | 11:05 |
| Macer | :) | 11:05 |
| Macer | do they work? | 11:05 |
| Macer | lol | 11:05 |
| psycho_oreos | of course they do (according to pictures) but obviously they don | 11:06 |
| psycho_oreos | don't run maemo, etc | 11:06 |
| Macer | i would buy a fake one if it worked | 11:06 |
| Macer | oh | 11:06 |
| Macer | that sucks | 11:06 |
| Macer | :) | 11:06 |
| psycho_oreos | ._. | 11:06 |
| woldrich | what $800 for 12T? | 11:06 |
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| woldrich | where the hell do you live sir? | 11:06 |
| Macer | those are the symbian hacked ones? | 11:06 |
| Macer | woldrich: chicago? | 11:06 |
| Macer | :) | 11:07 |
| Macer | i thought it was expensive | 11:07 |
| woldrich | is shit that expensive in the states | 11:07 |
| Macer | i am paying for taiwan to pump water :-P | 11:07 |
| Macer | it is now | 11:07 |
| psycho_oreos | there has never been a fake N900 sold with maemo on it afaik.. even if the seller deliberately placed fake maemo OS screenshots, the actual device would never be capable enough to run it | 11:07 |
| Macer | it should have cost 600-700 | 11:07 |
| Macer | not 800 | 11:08 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: so not omap insides? | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | fyi its Thailand that was flooded not Taiwan | 11:08 |
| Macer | just cheap old phone hw thrown int an n900 case | 11:08 |
| Macer | uhm | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, I don't know the technicality of the fake N900 neither would I care about fake N900. They're never interesting to ponder too much about in the first place | 11:09 |
| Macer | no | 11:09 |
| Macer | it is taiwan | 11:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | The dual-SIM harware may be interesting. | 11:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Also TV receiver. (though that's turned off here now) | 11:09 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: haha | 11:10 |
| Macer | wtf | 11:10 |
| Macer | better features than an original! | 11:10 |
| Macer | :) | 11:10 |
| Macer | nobody cares about thailand | 11:11 |
| Macer | taiwan has all the WD factories | 11:11 |
| Macer | :) | 11:11 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, seems like lower part got hit :þ | 11:11 |
| Macer | the western part | 11:11 |
| * psycho_oreos points his seagate was made in thailand :þ | 11:11 | |
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| Macer | that is why seagate stock is up 80% | 11:11 |
| Macer | :-P | 11:11 |
| SpeedEvil | And why I'm preparing my spare HDs for ebay. | 11:12 |
| Macer | they say it will take almost a year for prices to come back down | 11:12 |
| woldrich | Macer, you'll get 12T for $600 here :p | 11:12 |
| Macer | woldrich: lol.. well.. not here ;) | 11:12 |
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| Macer | i got it for 800 | 11:12 |
| woldrich | I have 29T, I've spent around $3500 on it | 11:13 |
| Macer | which is cheap now | 11:13 |
| woldrich | over 3-4 years of time, of course | 11:13 |
| Macer | typical 3TB drive is 250 | 11:13 |
| Macer | and those are the crappy ones | 11:14 |
| Macer | so you know the ones i got are horrible | 11:14 |
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| Macer | :) | 11:14 |
| woldrich | yeah all but 3 of mine are, damdadam, external | 11:14 |
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| woldrich | they're quite sexy, too | 11:14 |
| Macer | WD 5400 "green" | 11:14 |
| woldrich | yep! | 11:14 |
| Macer | oh | 11:14 |
| woldrich | most of them are | 11:14 |
| woldrich | in wd elements casing. | 11:14 |
| Macer | well.. i have a synology ds411j | 11:15 |
| Macer | needs 4 internal drives | 11:15 |
| Macer | i wouldn't do externals :) | 11:16 |
| Macer | right now i have this retardedly oversized 10 hard drive dual opteron | 11:16 |
| woldrich | http://i.japh.se/_/desktop0004.jpg , http://i.japh.se/_photo/mm2tpw.jpg some of the mess :p | 11:17 |
| Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/11/12/old-file-server-vs-new-synology-ds411j/ | 11:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I have my external drives in a drawer. | 11:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Along with a PSU | 11:17 |
| woldrich | my house would burn down again | 11:17 |
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| Macer | omg lol! | 11:18 |
| Macer | that is why i don't use external drives? | 11:18 |
| Macer | ! | 11:18 |
| Macer | that poor chess board! | 11:18 |
| woldrich | haha | 11:19 |
| Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/media/2011/11/wpid-20111111_001.jpg | 11:19 |
| Macer | that is why | 11:19 |
| Macer | :) | 11:19 |
| Macer | 12TB in that little nas | 11:20 |
| woldrich | I dig your hires photo | 11:20 |
| woldrich | looks like a toaster, a smaller toaster, a wrt54gl and my desktop computer | 11:20 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:21 |
| Macer | yeah.. i am going to use that old server as a workstation | 11:21 |
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| Macer | after replacing it with that little synology | 11:21 |
| woldrich | my server is also hugely overkill. But what the fuck, I have 4 of these computers and I have no idea what I should *do* with all of them | 11:22 |
| woldrich | I only intended to buy 2 | 11:22 |
| Macer | i had that problem... best to sell them or throw them out | 11:22 |
| woldrich | I guess :( | 11:22 |
| Macer | i finally came to terms and threw out a lot of my horded stuff | 11:23 |
| Macer | like the sb16 | 11:23 |
| Macer | :-P | 11:23 |
| woldrich | you should see my warddrobes | 11:23 |
| Macer | the AT psu | 11:23 |
| woldrich | (no clothes) | 11:23 |
| Macer | lol | 11:23 |
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| woldrich | sb16? oh please | 11:23 |
| woldrich | I still have all the atari 800XL perheperials | 11:23 |
| woldrich | uh that spelling doesn't look good | 11:24 |
| Macer | heh... my 200MHz pentium cpus | 11:24 |
| Macer | :) | 11:24 |
| woldrich | hmm I have some freak of a dual voodoo 2 thingy | 11:24 |
| Macer | whoa! lol | 11:24 |
| Macer | voodoo2 was way ahead of its time :) | 11:25 |
| woldrich | it's two physical voodoo2s with a cable | 11:25 |
| Macer | yeah | 11:25 |
| Macer | i had some | 11:25 |
| SpeedEvil | AWE32 I still have somewhere | 11:25 |
| Macer | with the small ribbon cable to connect them | 11:25 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: the worst ever was the fking mwave | 11:25 |
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| Macer | i used to beat my head on a desk messing with those things | 11:25 |
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| woldrich | HERE SHE IS http://i.japh.se/_photo/800XL.jpg | 11:26 |
| Macer | but yeah. i come to terms every 7 years or so | 11:26 |
| Macer | and throw the old stuff out | 11:27 |
| woldrich | can not throw her out, she's my childhood | 11:27 |
| Macer | meh. :) humans are meant to grow up | 11:27 |
| woldrich | fuck you :) | 11:27 |
| SpeedEvil | My oldest operating computer is a Z88. | 11:28 |
| SpeedEvil | A Z80 'laptop' | 11:28 |
| woldrich | cool. | 11:28 |
| Macer | haha | 11:28 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88 | 11:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Still boots, with 4AA cells. | 11:28 |
| woldrich | SpeedEvil, that looks awesome | 11:29 |
| SpeedEvil | And has a better keyboard than the n9. | 11:29 |
| woldrich | obviously :p | 11:29 |
| Macer | lmfao!! | 11:30 |
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| woldrich | http://www.benheck.com/Games/Atari_800/Atari_800_laptop_5.htm this is so badass | 11:30 |
| Macer | wow... that thing was ahead of its time | 11:30 |
| Macer | super twisted lcd! | 11:31 |
| Macer | what?! | 11:31 |
| Sicelo | psycho_oreos: saw your pics now. all charged, all full, and all cool :P | 11:31 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: external UV light? | 11:32 |
| Macer | to wipe eproms? :) | 11:32 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 11:32 |
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| Macer | so... a twofor? | 11:33 |
| Macer | get a tan while wiping eproms? | 11:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's hard UB, teh ultra-carcunogenic stuff | 11:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | Sicelo, heh, though I'm sure there's always other cooler people out there :þ i.e. those with N950 ._. | 11:45 |
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| Macer | psycho_oreos: i am thinking n950s are urban legend | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, as much as you like to deny it, they do exist | 11:57 |
| Macer | like aliens? :) | 11:57 |
| psycho_oreos | like gods | 11:58 |
| Macer | hahaha... touche | 11:59 |
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| flux | can N900 firmware be downgraded? | 12:13 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 12:14 |
| jacekowski | not that anybody want to | 12:14 |
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| flux | well, a friend said the latest firmware was broken. but I think I'll just tell him to reflash and perhaps consider CSSU. | 12:17 |
| flux | I mean't firmware->OTA upgrade | 12:17 |
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| jonwil | yes, my Cell Broadcast SMS widget is almost to the point where its ready for CSSU | 12:52 |
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| merlin1991 | jonwil pong | 13:43 |
| merlin1991 | I guess you wanted to ask about the applet, will be done today | 13:43 |
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| jonwil | I took a look at it earlier and figured it out myself | 14:01 |
| jonwil | having found an example I could study (CSSU notification light applet) | 14:01 |
| jonwil | it works great | 14:01 |
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| merlin1991 | great :) | 14:04 |
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| jonwil | now I have run out of things to work on :( | 14:45 |
| jonwil | my attempts to clone the certificate manager control panel went nowhere | 14:47 |
| jonwil | as has all my work on the connectivity UI widgets (like the internet status bar item and the " | 14:47 |
| jonwil | the "phone" control panel | 14:47 |
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| ruskie | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/11/17/samsung_tab_patent/ <-- lol | 14:47 |
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| Pali | jonwil: what about asking author of certificate manager control panel for help? | 14:50 |
| jonwil | The evidence from the bug suggest that the 0.0.9 code shouldn't have been released and that we shouldn't expect more code | 14:51 |
| merlin1991 | could you paste the bug # again | 14:51 |
| merlin1991 | I'd like to follow it | 14:51 |
| Pali | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12388 | 14:52 |
| povbot | Bug 12388: Missing source code of certificate control panel applet | 14:52 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/17/mit_synaptic_chip/ <-- interesting | 14:52 |
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| jonwil | I doubt we will see any further usefull on that bug myself :P | 14:52 |
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| corecode | hi | 15:04 |
| corecode | is it true that there is no xmpp for harmattan? | 15:04 |
| corecode | ah sorry, wrong # | 15:04 |
| Macer | is it? :) | 15:05 |
| Macer | lol | 15:05 |
| dm8tbr | works for me just fine. next! | 15:05 |
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| merlin1991 | how do I add a user to scratchbox? | 15:13 |
| merlin1991 | ah found it /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser | 15:14 |
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| * jonwil doubts that asking anyone at Nokia for N900 code of any sort is going to get us anywhere | 15:17 | |
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| * jonwil doubts that asking even for n9[50] code would help | 15:20 | |
| jonwil | top of my wishlist would be a dev package for libconnui and libconnui_cell :P | 15:23 |
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| jonwil | with just a few packages, I could blow this thing right open and do some serious stuff to it :) | 15:26 |
| jonwil | but talking about it in IRC wont help, the only way I am going to get what I need is to dig even deeper with IDA and GDB and hope I can figure this crap out :'( | 15:27 |
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| * jonwil just found something really cool | 16:09 | |
| jonwil | If you do apt-get install cellmo-headers on the phone you get some NICE header files to look at :) | 16:10 |
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| jonwil | oh wait, those headers match the headers I already found before elsewhere :P | 16:13 |
| jonwil | so they arent new | 16:13 |
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| jonwil | bah, I think I have exhausted all possibility to figure out how to use libconnui, libconnui_cell and the dbus calls that they use to do their work :( Only hope is for a miracle to occur and for Nokia to publish some things | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, #meego is still 31 users ahead of #maemo, though last night (CET) #meego had less users than #maemo has now ;-D | 17:17 |
| neal | are you aint-meego? | 17:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer should consider cleaning up his autojoin XD | 17:18 | |
| NIN101 | 30! | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 29 | 17:24 |
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| ShadowJK | this channel has more conversation though | 17:35 |
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| merlin1991 | far more :P | 17:39 |
| merlin1991 | though we like to got way ot here :D | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mmmmk, definitely OT, but some of you might find it interesting (Goldelico GTA04 hardware) http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2011-November/000679.html | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm joining the devel team, if that matters in any way | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Neat! | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: can you summarize in short what it actually is? | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a omap3530 based kbd-less smartphone | 17:47 |
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| merlin1991 | does omap3530 have a gpu (drivers) | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, does N900? | 17:48 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: What changed your mind? | 17:48 |
| merlin1991 | gpu yes, closed drivers yes | 17:48 |
| * merlin1991 didn't remember n900 is omap3530 | 17:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: hehe, they asked me to finally "join core team" | 17:49 |
| neal | <neal> DocScrutinizer: What's your take on gta04? <DocScrutinizer> neal: :shrug: <DocScrutinizer> neal: on GTA01/02 we did PV runs with a number of devices the number of GTA04 available to order | 17:49 |
| neal | Congrats. | 17:49 |
| neal | sounds better than ericson | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's voluntary | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka free of dotations | 17:50 |
| ShadowJK | is there an irc channel | 17:50 |
| neal | ? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | except a device of course | 17:50 |
| neal | oh | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: alas not | 17:50 |
| ShadowJK | That's some serious amount of sensors | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh :-D | 17:51 |
| neal | ShadowJK: #gta04 on freenode | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: anyway, I guess best contacts are via #openmoko-cdevel | 17:53 |
| ShadowJK | how goes with the plans to print cases? :D | 17:54 |
| RaeCarruth | hey all, is there a workaround that will enable me to use whatsapp? | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish they hadn't gone with the gta02 case. | 17:54 |
| RaeCarruth | i ask because a number of my iphone toting pals use it | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | haven't heard about such plans | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^ack | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely a poor decision | 17:55 |
| dangergrrl | vncviewer is bad news | 17:55 |
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| Sicelo | u got a job DocScrutinizer? | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: I might start LTE modem development | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | R&D | 18:02 |
| Sicelo | big ups ;) all the best | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 18:03 |
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| gvUser101 | hello | 18:04 |
| Sicelo | hey gvUser101 | 18:05 |
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| Z3ROC00L | hello people need some help "again" lol im trying to run SET via desktop shortcut and faced with this error File "/home/user/set/./set", line 68, in <module> | 18:13 |
| Z3ROC00L | anybody have a clue what it means ?? | 18:14 |
| Z3ROC00L | full error is File "/home/user/set/./set", line 68, in <module> | 18:15 |
| Z3ROC00L | traceback (most recent call last):File "/home/user/set/./set" filewrite = file("src/agreement", "w") IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'src/agreement' ..., line 68, in <module> | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | it means there's no file or directory called 'src/agreement' | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | it's a relative pathname, so probably it expects the current working directory to be a rather specific place | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | and if you're running it from a desktop file, most likely the working directory is not what it expects | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | you can specify a working directory in the .desktop file, so I suggest you do that | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | what is SET anyway? | 18:17 |
| Z3ROC00L | sorry im using queenbeecon to run it | 18:19 |
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| Z3ROC00L | The Social-Engineer Toolkit (SET) | 18:20 |
| Z3ROC00L | how would i go about setting the working directory using queenbeeon aany ideas | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | I've no idea what queenbeecon is | 18:21 |
| Z3ROC00L | its a customisable widget for n900 , great app ... | 18:22 |
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| Z3ROC00L | thanks anyways mgedmin | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | Z3ROC00L, you can always create a wrapper shell script to cd /somewhere; ./someapp, and use your launcher to launch that | 18:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | "Internal Error, application E-Mail closed" sure is one of my favourites | 19:01 |
| Shapeshifter | seems like someone didn't write his tests. | 19:01 |
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| Z3ROC00L | @mgedmin just tryed that now , and im faced with same error ... | 19:04 |
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| badcloud | how do I get symbols ike '-' and '/' to work in easy debian v3d? | 19:47 |
| badcloud | I commented out lines to make stiky keys work (and they do) | 19:47 |
| badcloud | but instead of '-', I get Meta + f | 19:47 |
| badcloud | sorry for possible repost (got disconnected) | 19:48 |
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| r00t|home | badcloud: don't see your previous attempt, unless it was more than a day ago | 19:50 |
| r00t|home | but no idea on your question... i'd suspect some keymap issue... | 19:50 |
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| badcloud | r00t|home: I activated sticky keys using this method http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#sticky_keys_hack | 19:51 |
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| r00t|home | i didn't even install debian yet | 19:51 |
| badcloud | ok | 19:51 |
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| badcloud | what is the menu hardware key? | 20:03 |
| Gh0sty | the key that normally shows you the menu? :p | 20:06 |
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| Gh0sty | in the middle that square key thingy | 20:06 |
| badcloud | Gh0sty: oh, ok | 20:06 |
| badcloud | I thought that was the power b | 20:06 |
| Gh0sty | also if you push long enough? :p | 20:06 |
| badcloud | Gh0sty: yep | 20:07 |
| badcloud | didn't know it had a menu function as well | 20:07 |
| badcloud | thanks | 20:07 |
| Gh0sty | O_o | 20:07 |
| Gh0sty | wait what? :p | 20:07 |
| badcloud | Gh0sty: nevermind | 20:07 |
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| nicofs | I can't run the latest maemo 5 update because app manager claims i lack enough space. but i still have about 1GB left on my rootfs - what's wrong? any ideas? | 20:49 |
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| luke-jr | nicofs: you don't have 1 GB on rootfs to *start with* | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | rootfs is 227 MB total | 20:51 |
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| nicofs | hmm... it was just something file manager said - anyway, the update is 384kB and i recently deinstalled chromium with 90MB and other apps... i just don't see how there is not enough space... | 20:54 |
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| nicofs | file manager talks about "space for installable apps" so i guess that means the /opt thing... | 20:55 |
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| mgedmin | nicofs, protip: temporarily disable all 3rd party app repositories | 20:59 |
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| mgedmin | the package lists in /var take up a lot of space on the 200-meg rootfs | 20:59 |
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| nicofs | mgedmin how can i check how much space is left? | 21:01 |
| * mgedmin <-- command line geek; df in an xterm | 21:01 | |
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| nicofs | mgedmin it claims 27MB available... that's not enough for 284kB update? | 21:03 |
| mgedmin | depends | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | 284>27. Clearly no. | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | if the 284kB update means it's going to replace a 17 MB package with a (17 MB + 284 kB) package, then 27 MB will not be enough to hold both during the update | 21:04 |
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| mgedmin | besides, isn't / using some kind of a compressed flash filesystem with science-fictional free space numbers? | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:05 |
| nicofs | hmm... i can see that - but isn't it a bit un-clever to design it that way with only 230MB available in the first place? | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | I remember getting oodles of free space just by rebooting (apparently it triggers garbage collection or something) | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | well, dpkg is designed to be able to abort an upgrade if it fails in the middle | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | 256M was the largest part available at the time | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does garbage collect on NAND | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | re-downloading multiple megabytes instead of a binary delta... that's not optimal, yes | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | though if n900 were designed to be optimal, it wouldn't be out yet -- for many years... | 21:07 |
| nicofs | mgedmin, disabling 3rd party sources just took away another 100kB of space... | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | yeah, might be that garbage collection thing... | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | the n900 was the first time I saw "rm: cannot delete file: not enough free space" thing | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | I think 'sync' also triggers GC | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | try sync and see if the free space numbers go up | 21:09 |
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| nicofs | mgedmin sync gave me another 700kB | 21:17 |
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| Sicelo | bluetooth sycn? | 21:19 |
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| Sicelo | s/cn/nc/ | 21:25 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: bluetooth sync? | 21:25 |
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| kerio | hrmpf, writing through sftp sucks | 21:44 |
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| kerio | yay, syncing music at 280kb/s | 21:50 |
| kerio | :| | 21:50 |
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| Sicelo | tried running a network process from n900 at the same time, eg ping? | 21:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | you mean kilobits? | 21:59 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: FOAD | 22:07 |
| kerio | yay, syncing music at 280KB/s | 22:07 |
| kerio | is that better? | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I was trying to clarify. | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | One is good, one is bad. | 22:08 |
| kerio | 280KB is still not good | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | err - no | 22:08 |
| kerio | it's much better than 280kb | 22:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - my mind is dead. I've been writing stuff to send to a tribunal. | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | At 8000 words of legalese that I needed to research. | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Depressing. | 22:09 |
| kerio | y u no use lawyer? (y°#°)y | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Because it's not possible. | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it is - but not economically. | 22:10 |
| nicofs | is there a way to stream *.asx files on my n900? | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer -playlist *asx IIRC worked | 22:11 |
| nicofs | in a console? | 22:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or was it something like downloading the URL mentioned in the asx, and then playing that as a playlist | 22:12 |
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