IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-11-18

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Maceris there a pkg tracking app for maemo?00:48
Maceri mean package00:49
Macerlike usps and ups and fedex :)00:49
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jonwilI dont believe there is such an app01:29
SpeedEvilGoogle01:29
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jonwilok, I think I finally fixed the last bugs in my operator-name-cbs-widget.01:37
jonwilAnyone who wants to test it is welcome to download http://www.cncmods.net/files/operator-name-cbs-widget_0.1_armel.deb01:37
jonwilOptions you can toggle are in the control panel01:37
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jonwilIt should now be displaying the operator name 100% identically to the stock widget01:38
jonwilafter I found not one but 4 missing exclamation marks in my code :)01:38
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jonwilunderstanding ARM condition codes and stuff can be a pain sometimes... :)01:42
jonwilthank god for GDB so I can see just whats going on :)01:42
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DocScrutinizerdoes it come with libsmscb.so patch? or is that not needed anymore?02:02
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jonwilit does come with the libsms patch yes02:11
jonwilthat will always be required since Nokia wont be fixing libsms.so02:11
jonwilif you have an old version installed, you will need to uninstall it first btw02:12
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Macerwow07:10
Macerthere is no way the USPS is telling me that getting my hard drives will take 3 weeks :) from New Jersey to Chicago takes 3 weeks?07:10
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Maceris it coming on horseback?07:10
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SpeedEvilMacer: They ship it by boat.07:15
Macerfrom nj? :)07:15
SpeedEvilYes.07:15
SpeedEvilThat's why it's slow.07:16
Maceryou would think train would be easier07:16
Macerwow.. that's unexpected07:16
* SpeedEvil makes stuff up.07:16
Macerhaha07:18
Macer:-P07:18
Maceryou had me there for a minute07:18
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Macerlast thing i got from nj took like a week07:18
Macerbut this is 4 hard drives. i'm sure it has a bit more weight07:19
Macer4x3TB :) for my little synology beast07:19
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Maceri'm really loving having an n900 again07:20
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slonopotamushuh... do you see microusb connector in horror dreams each day?07:21
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slonopotamushmm... i have an email that bugs modest. when i hit reply, "To" field is empty07:27
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Maceryes07:36
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Macersometimes i flash back to when my other one broke07:37
Macerthe sadness.... the tears.. the loss07:37
Maceri am honestly curious if the one i have now (made in finland) has the same type of defect of a weak usb port07:38
Maceror if it was just a typical asian factory thing07:38
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gggsMacer: how old was your N900 when it broke?07:51
Macergggs: roughtly a year and a half?07:52
gggsalso, I ordered something from the US via USPS (I'm Australian), saying "delivery in 6-10 days" and it's been 21 so far07:53
gggsMacer: hmm, that's about how old mine is07:54
congocant you just resolder it?07:54
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congotheres a cap between the USB port and the case, of like 1mm, seems a design flaw07:55
congos/cap/gap/07:55
infobotcongo meant: theres a gap between the USB port and the case, of like 1mm, seems a design flaw07:55
congowow thx07:55
congohopefully mine doesnt break till some jWIN/COBY phone that runs Mer is out07:55
slonopotamuscongo: that's not a design flaw. real design flaw is that connector isn't held by _anything_ except by its pits soldered to motherboard.07:56
Macercongo: no07:56
Macertried07:56
Macerhad a buddy try07:56
Maceralmost impossible.. i don't care what anybody here says :)07:56
congoi believe you07:56
congothe solder pads are proably underneath it07:56
congoyoud have to 'reflow the entire pcb07:56
congoand proably melt something else in process07:57
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slonopotamus*pins, i meant07:57
congoif metal shield deforms too its a biatch07:57
gggsno epoxy?07:57
congocant they do a run of 1000 or maybe 10,000 N950s, seems like theyd sell07:58
congoapparently we'r too small a niche to matter07:58
Macerslonopotamus: i thought there wer a couple points07:58
Macerwhere the battery is connected07:58
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Maceron the wings of the port07:58
psycho_oreosthere's rumours otherwise that all the spare N950 are stored in their warehouses collecting dust, nokia offices around the world doing nothing more than sitting pretty07:59
Macerpsycho_oreos: let's rob them07:59
slonopotamuswhen my broke, they simply replaced the whole mb07:59
congosemes likely. nobody would do a run of 250, not worth it08:00
Macerslonopotamus: well nowadays you get an e7 :)08:00
congopraobly 9750 of them are hiding, at least08:00
slonopotamusMacer: it has kb?08:00
Maceryes08:00
Macerbut runs symbian08:00
* luke-jr peers at slonopotamus08:00
psycho_oreosI wouldn't say 250 were handed out, the qt event had 300 to hand out and not to mention if one went to qt conference or something in finland, you get a free N95008:01
slonopotamusluke-jr: what?08:01
luke-jrslonopotamus: you're like never online :p08:01
Macerpsycho_oreos: i still say we should just rob them08:01
psycho_oreosand supposedly an unknown number of N950 were handed out to commercial devs08:01
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: I got ignored on the N950 :/08:01
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Macerbecause you weren't developing on it08:02
psycho_oreosluke-jr, better than me, I got rejected08:02
Maceryou were putting gentoo on it08:02
Macer:)08:02
slonopotamus_luke-jr: meh, you scared my 3g connection08:02
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luke-jrslonopotamus_: lol08:02
luke-jrMacer: far more productive than any Ovi cra08:03
luke-jrcrap*08:03
congoyh i run debian/e17+illume08:03
luke-jrhmm08:03
Macerluke-jr: fair point08:03
Macertell them you want to put it on the ovi store :)08:03
luke-jrI figured since my USB didn't break in over a year I'm pretty safe :|08:03
Macerthen they'd be all ears08:03
luke-jrlol08:03
Macerand pkg it properly08:03
slonopotamus_luke-jr: join #openwrt-devel, mb__ there is the guy who works on openwrt kernel for n8x0. he needs help with charging stuff.08:04
Macerwith pretty pictures08:04
luke-jrMacer: notably, people have been pointing out that N950 is way too closed to even try to put Gentoo on it08:04
Maceri am sure it is08:04
Maceras well as the n908:04
luke-jrslonopotamus_: you know we never got any specs on charging n8x008:04
Macerdidn't we have this "open" discussion a while back? :) there is no such thing as an open device08:04
psycho_oreosN950 is not as crap as N908:04
Macerpsycho_oreos: same thing with a qwerty08:05
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Maceractually.. doesn't the n950 have less specs than the n9 hw wise?08:05
psycho_oreosat least I've been told that N950 can accept bluetooth keyboard, N9 can't even do that.. what a load of crap08:05
Macerlike a slower cpu clock speed or something?08:05
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slonopotamus_luke-jr: have you seen https://github.com/slonopotamus/n8x0-overlay/blob/master/sys-kernel/n8x0-sources/files/3.1.1/900-n810-battery-management.patch08:05
Maceryeah that is pretty lame08:05
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luke-jrslonopotamus_: noi08:06
Maceropenwrt for n8x0/08:06
Macernice :)08:06
Macerbut i don't see how that works08:06
luke-jrslonopotamus: N810 would be a whole lot more useful, if the battery worked08:06
Macerusb ethernet?08:06
luke-jrMacer: nobody said it was for a router08:07
Maceroh.. then for what?08:07
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Macerlow powered linux on n8x0?08:07
Maceripkg ftw? :)08:07
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luke-jrslonopotamus: what's your Gitorious name so I can let you push direct to the overlay?08:08
slonopotamusluke-jr: you won't believe08:08
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slonopotamusluke-jr: suddenly, slonopotamus too08:08
* luke-jr ponders how your repo managed to get conflicting08:09
slonopotamusthough i still think github is better :P08:09
luke-jrit sucks08:09
slonopotamusit has a bugtracker and wiki08:09
luke-jrspeaking of which08:09
luke-jrRemoved memory-reducing flags from profiles/arch/arm/n8x0-common/make.defaults since they're hard to override <-- why?08:09
slonopotamusluke-jr: because i didn't want them when compiling in qemu. so either i have to copypaste whole CFLAGS but remove memory options or one who wants them just says CFLAGS="$CFLAGS --cool-memory-stuff" in his make.conf08:11
luke-jri c08:11
luke-jrmaybe a qemu profile would make sense08:12
luke-jr-Os was replaced with -O2 since -Os caused too many stuff to break <-- like what? I didn't see -Os break *anything*08:12
luke-jr(including KDE…)08:12
slonopotamusmost importantly, qt08:12
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luke-jrKDE uses Qt…08:13
luke-jrand worked…08:13
slonopotamusalso, gcc hanged eating 100% cpu for several packages with -Os08:13
luke-jrO.o08:13
luke-jrmaybe a regression? hmm08:13
luke-jrrevert kdrive useflag in profiles/arch/arm/n8x0-common/make.defaults <-- ?08:13
slonopotamus+kdrive +tslib broke xorg compilation around the time that commit was made08:14
luke-jrdoes it still?08:14
slonopotamusthere's a b.g.o. entry for that08:14
slonopotamuscan't remember08:14
luke-jrRESOLVED: FIXED 2010-10-04 :p08:15
congoif g++ maxes out physical RAM its ugly08:15
congoeasy to do on 256mb08:15
luke-jrstop suggesting xf86-video-fbdev over xf86-video-omapfb <-- omapfb is better now?08:15
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slonopotamusluke-jr: i think you even had your n810 working when that one was made :) yep, omapfb works good08:17
slonopotamusluke-jr: and we even discussed this switch08:17
luke-jrO.o08:17
luke-jrthese things are from after you moved your repo :p08:17
slonopotamusebuild still allows both options as you can see08:17
luke-jrwhy purge 2.6.38.8 ?08:17
slonopotamusbecause that's just a mirror of what openwrt has. and they (well, mb__) maintain only one kernel.08:18
* slonopotamus enters subway, 3g coverage issues expected08:19
luke-jrso 3.1.1 should be at least as usable?08:19
slonopotamusluke-jr: it is08:19
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slonopotamusluke-jr: if you understand what happens in charging module, you should help mb__ to finish it :)08:21
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maraineindoes maemo generate any internet traffic when you're not using anything on it?08:39
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SpeedEvilIn gneeral, not much.08:42
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SpeedEvilIt may do more on wifi than on cell - to see if tehre are new packages.08:42
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congoapt-get remove osso-updater or something probably fixes that08:43
congohate that yellow triangle08:43
Siceloheh, u want to stop checking for updates? either way, don't remove that package, if it exists08:45
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Sicelocongo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check08:46
luke-jrSicelo: I hear that breaks stuff even08:47
Sicelooh 0.o08:47
Siceloi've been using that all the time, nothing weird so far08:47
luke-jrI think you can't update period with it..08:47
luke-jrexcept at CLI08:47
Sicelou can. u have to do it manually in HAM08:48
Siceloi did that to update to 1.3.108:48
Sicelocongo: at your own risk ;)08:49
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vdvhi all08:49
vdvhow can i create hildon menu filters?08:50
vdvusing qt08:50
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Gojirahi all10:28
Gojiramight anyone know why i can't find /home/user/MyDocs on my N900?10:28
edheldilHi all. Is omweather dead or is there an update for it?10:28
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edheldilGojira:  looking from where?10:29
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Gojirafile manager10:30
Gojirai'm trying to install the bleeding edge drivers to /mydocs/. but when it asks where to save them, i can't find it. instead it saved them to my sd card, so i'm tring to move them to the correct folder10:31
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Gojirai've only just got the n900. so i'm still trying to figure this stuff out10:35
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GojiraSorry, i got disconnected. Was anyone able to help me out?10:42
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SiceloGojira: the directory File Manager opens to is /home/user/MyDocs10:54
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Gojiraah? ok, that kind of makes sense11:02
edheldilGojira:  also make sure that it's not mounted to the PC instead11:03
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Gojirathanks Sicelo and Edheldil11:06
Gojiraand how would i extract files from a tar.gz?11:07
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edheldiltar xvzf filename11:13
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Gojirai'll lok it up. i've gotta go11:17
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Gojirathanks11:17
Gojiraseeya11:17
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trupheenixhello11:23
trupheenixdoes anyone know where i can flash the latest N9 Pr1.1 firmware update from?11:23
Sicelo /j #n911:23
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trupheenixSicelo: ?11:27
congodo Hildon/GTK apps run on N9?11:27
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congoi was never clear on if QT is hooked to a framebufferr or X is still involved11:27
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trupheenixcongo: it's through X11:28
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Sicelotrupheenix: n9 issues are taken care of in #n9 (and #harmattan, for dev stuff)11:29
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congotrupheenix: Tizen wil praobly be without X eh? more WebOS style, with EFL crap wrapping webkit?11:37
congoid like to continue using Maemo apps, like Maep, on whwatever i upgrade to11:37
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congoid be perfectly happy installing GCC/GTK/X on an android kernel if that works, and build hildon on up11:40
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congothe rasterman thing seems a bit skeptical to me - i'd imagine the would have to roll in an Android VM/emulator somewhere to get normal users interested (wheres my apps?) so who knows if a samsung X/Gtk capable phone will ever come out11:50
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RST38hFennec people finally given up: http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2011/11/firefox-for-android-native-android-ui/11:53
RST38hNow, if they can only do the same for Maemo...11:53
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* jonwil wishes someone would try to bring a newer Gecko into MicroB11:55
jonwilits definatly possible11:56
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LaoLang_coolDo you use cron on maemo? or is there other good replace for schedule tasks?12:33
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Siceloalarmed. there is fcron, and something else too.. i forget12:34
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LaoLang_coolSicelo: thank you, after searching, I think cron is still the best :)12:39
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LaoLang_cool...12:43
LaoLang_coolRefer to http://maemo.org/packages/view/cron/12:43
LaoLang_cool3.0pl1-105     * Ported to Maemo.          Artem Bukhonov1970-01-01 00:00 UTC12:43
LaoLang_cool1970-01-01 00:00 UTC?12:43
Sicelo:P unix time counts from that moment12:44
LaoLang_coolO_o12:44
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LaoLang_coolHow to backup mms in the fmms?13:30
LaoLang_coolI've tried to backup all files under /home/usr/, but still all mms are missing after restored the whole /home/usr13:31
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ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/18/nokia_lumia_900_leaked_in_developer_ad/ <-- and there's differentaiotn there???13:36
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fralsLaoLang_cool: copy everything from /home/user/.fmms/13:37
LaoLang_coolfrals: no use at all... :(13:38
LaoLang_coolI backuped whole /home/user/, including all dot file13:39
LaoLang_coolThen reflashed my N900, then extract the backup13:39
LaoLang_coolems works, but mms all disappeared13:39
LaoLang_cools/ems/sms/13:39
infobotLaoLang_cool meant: sms works, but mms all disappeared13:39
congo/home/user/MyDocs is a diff mount than /home13:39
fralsthats the only place they are stored so copying that should work13:40
LaoLang_coolcongo: I've umounted it before backup13:40
congoas long as your tar traversed mountpoints from /home on down13:40
LaoLang_coolI don't think fmms will store mms in Mydoc13:40
congok13:40
fralsno, its stored in /home/user/.fmms13:40
fralsunless i changed it, but i dont recall doing that, so it should be there13:40
fralsjust go to that folder and see if there is a .db file there and lots of subfolders13:41
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LaoLang_coolfrals: yes, a mms.db and some subdir13:42
LaoLang_coolI will try to restore it again to see if I've made something wrong13:44
fralsmake sure user has permissions for everything13:45
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LaoLang_coolfrals: cool, my fault, it works, thank you13:48
LaoLang_coolfrals: How to merge the old mms with new ones?13:48
ZogG_laptopfrals: have you chosen new name already fo lockscreen mode?13:49
fralsLaoLang_cool: uh, copying the subfolders and then inserting them manually in to the sqlite db...13:49
LaoLang_coolfrals: hmm... sounds complicated13:49
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fralsLaoLang_cool: yeah, unfortunately i got a job before implemting that part of functionality13:50
fralsor well, "unfortuantely"13:50
fralsZogG_laptop: not yet... still arguing with ovi qa about some stuff13:50
LaoLang_coolfrals: oh, I didn't noticed you're the author!13:51
frals:-)13:51
LaoLang_coolfrals: thank you for good job, it should be built-in in maemo13:51
ZogG_laptopfrals: what's the name you setteled on?13:51
fralsZogG_laptop: havent settled yet either.. :D13:52
LaoLang_coolfrals: I noticed that the pictures all shown at the beginning of mms, is it a bug?13:52
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ZogG_laptopfrals: i twitted you about taptap or simplytap =)13:52
LaoLang_coolSome pictures should be at the middle of mms.13:53
fralsLaoLang_cool: its a feature, usually thats the most important part of the MMS ;o13:53
fralsand implementing a proper parser was kinda low priority :)13:53
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LaoLang_cool_frals: it's a feature? Can I turn it off? I like to see them at the place they should be, not all at the beginning...13:56
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fralsLaoLang_cool_: cant be turned off sorry.. i just extract all the images/videos/sounds and place them at the top :(13:57
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LaoLang_cool_frals: ok... because I like to see the context of the picture, but at the top, I can't..13:57
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fralsLaoLang_cool_: well, if you know python im accepting patches, all the code is at gitorious.org/fmms ;)13:58
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LaoLang_cool_frals: a bug report, I'm using the version at the extra, it works fine, but  with extra-devel version, when the screen rotates, fmms will get no response13:59
LaoLang_cool_frals: sorry I don't know :( currently it works fine, I can change myself with it :)14:00
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jonwilhmmm, I wonder if any of the systemui plugins are worth cloning. we have the tklock plugin (touchscreen/keypad lock), the alarm dialog plugin, the power key menu plugin, the actingdead plugin, the emergency call plugin, the devlock plugin, the splashscreen plugin and the modechange plugin14:11
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LaoLang_coolSorry I got disconnected...14:14
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ghostcubehi folks, just updated to cssu :) great job, thx to all involved14:38
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DocScrutinizerghostcube: to which version?17:29
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ghostcube20.2010.36-2maemo16.817:33
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ghostcubeDocScrutinizer: not correct?17:37
ghostcubeanything i missed so far?17:37
DocScrutinizernah, I thought maybe MohammadAG managed to *finally* roll out T17.017:38
DocScrutinizer16.8 just fine, I heard17:38
DocScrutinizerseems we have a roadblock with autobuilder, T17 should be out since 2 or 3 days minimum17:39
ghostcubeoh ok :)17:39
ghostcubei just noticed the whole cssu thing last night and installed it today :)17:40
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: autobuilder doesn't block T17 it's all up to MohammadAG to explain why17:40
ghostcubeworked ok so far i had to do apt-get update install fremantle-pr cause libqt4-testing was making problems17:40
ghostcubebut after reboot all works fine17:41
ghostcubeno problems noticed so far17:41
DocScrutinizerwell, there are a few known problems that should get fixed in T17 and just circumvented in Stable release which actually is blocked by autobuilder17:43
DocScrutinizermostly related to camera and email17:44
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ghostcubeah ok17:59
ghostcube:)17:59
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badcloudhow do I display hw kbd layout? I installed package but can't see it19:04
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purrwhat do you mean display?19:11
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badcloudpurr: well, it's not there19:11
purrlike.. cat /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-5119:12
badcloudI think it doesn't work with Hebrew hw kbd layout19:12
DocScrutinizerbadcloud: we'Re all lost on what you are doing19:12
badcloudDocScrutinizer: alright then19:12
badcloudI have Hebrew/English as my two hw kbd layouts19:12
DocScrutinizerwhat pkg is it you installed19:12
badcloudhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/kblayout-status/19:13
DocScrutinizeraaah19:13
badcloudit does not work with Hebrew aparently19:13
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DocScrutinizero.O19:13
DocScrutinizertried with sth else, like uk vs US ?19:14
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badcloudUS works19:14
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DocScrutinizerselect a non-hebrew secondary layout, e.g UK19:14
badcloudDocScrutinizer: I did, and it worked19:15
badcloudbut then I can't switch to Hebrew19:15
DocScrutinizerhmm, then it's obviously a bug in this app19:15
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badcloudDocScrutinizer: yep19:15
DocScrutinizerpester http://maemo.org/profile/view/subchaser/ as I don't see a valid bugtracker link or user feedback URL there19:17
badcloudDocScrutinizer: 2 steps ahead of you :)19:17
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DocScrutinizerobviously, as you already used that applet, while I didn't even know of it 10 min ago19:19
DocScrutinizerooh, >>Leave a comment on the package page.<<19:20
badcloudDocScrutinizer: no need to get defensive19:22
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* DocScrutinizer feels pissed about CSSU obviously dying from disinterest and inability of pushing anything forward20:28
DocScrutinizeroh well, probably definitely about time to mirror the Nokia and Maemo repos to my private server, before somebody decides it's not worth the money to provide the official ones any longer, regarding the lack of interest20:31
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RST38hDoc: Please, do20:36
RST38hDoc: I have a feeling that this stuff will go away in an instant, without much of warning.20:37
DocScrutinizerwhy? do you think I'd open it up for public access? :-S20:37
RST38hHoarder!20:37
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DocScrutinizermeh, when others are not even capable of joining a meeting that's been announced basically 2 weeks ago, or roll out a update with merge requests pending since months joined...20:39
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DocScrutinizerprobably nobody would even notice it when repos went down without any warning20:39
DocScrutinizerthe very first time I tend to agree "meamo is dead"20:40
DocScrutinizerand since such comments don't really change *anything* to the better, I'll simply shut up now and focus to sth else20:41
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trampDoes CSSU still need testing?23:14
psycho_oreosany of you know what is the screen cover usually made out of? I'm curious to see if isopropyl alcohol affects the screen protectors in general over a long period of time to exposure with alcohol23:14
psycho_oreosI think its mostly stable now23:14
SpeedEvilPET, with a silicone gel backing.23:14
SpeedEvilAnd perhaps some exotic coating on the front if it's an expensive one23:14
psycho_oreosnah the one I got on my main one is some cheap chinese screen protector. Its custom fitted which also makes it hard to take off easily :/23:16
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vi__yo23:16
psycho_oreoshi23:17
vi__is it at all possible to access the uSD when pc suite mode is active?23:17
psycho_oreoshmm via ssh through USB networking,  yes23:18
trampthanks psycho_oreos23:18
psycho_oreosthat's with linux pc though23:18
psycho_oreostramp, oh wait your the bloke who only has N900 to use as computer right?23:18
vi__certainly am23:19
vi__care to comment?23:19
vi__oh and I already use the n900 as a computer.23:19
psycho_oreosvi_, on what linux pc? nada :) I have linux everywhere in my room :D23:20
psycho_oreosoh that was for tramp lol23:20
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vi__linux is the only operating system i have too23:21
vi__fuck ms in the balls23:21
psycho_oreosheh why pay money for toys that won't behave exactly like the way you want them to :D23:22
vi__i was looking at the usb networking and thought...23:22
vi__there has to be an easier way, il ask meh bros on irc first23:22
vi__heh23:22
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psycho_oreosnah I personally don't know of any other way to access N900 storage through USB hostmode under linux whilst the device is in pc suite mode23:24
psycho_oreosthanks for your input SpeedEvil, though it seems like I have lots of reading to do lol23:25
vi__what is module 'g_file_storage'?23:25
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psycho_oreoshandles emmc and microSD(HC) (if inserted) iinm23:26
vi__aaah23:27
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vi__it won't modprobe in pc suite mode23:28
vi__device is busy23:28
vi__which is teh gayest23:28
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psycho_oreosheh iir it also is loaded when one chooses mass storage mode instead of pc suite mode23:29
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vi__yah, i just read pc-suite-enable.sh23:30
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trampDoes anyone find CSSU invaluable?23:40
trampor essential in their N900 setup?23:42
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