IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-11-16

SpeedEvilAnd then I get subsequent emails indicating it's being activated.00:00
DocScrutinizer:-P00:00
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DocScrutinizer~piglatin  <Macer> science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing00:01
infobot<Macer>way iencescay isway ethay englishway abortionway ofway iens.scay. ichwhay actuallyway eansmay owingknay00:01
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DocScrutinizeruh?00:05
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MacerDocScrutinizer: data means given00:17
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arvuthi, is there an app that can turn on the fm transmitter and mediaplsyer at a certain time? I'd like to automaticly send music to my clockradio alarm in the mornings :P00:43
arvuts/mediaplsyer/mediaplayer/g00:44
infobotarvut meant: hi, is there an app that can turn on the fm transmitter and mediaplayer at a certain time? I'd like to automaticly send music to my clockradio alarm in the mornings :P00:44
arvutI hate that infobot...00:44
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NIN101one way would to enable the FM transmitter, start the song, pause the song and via alarmd running this http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Unpause_what.27s_currently_selected not sure how handy that is though :P00:54
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dangergrrli have noted that heavy wlan use makes the n900 use more power than the pc provides over usb02:27
LaoLang_cooldangergrrl: right, so the wlan should be turned off when idle02:28
dangergrrli am using the n900 as a wlan to usbnet router for my desktop pc02:29
dangergrrland i am broke for the month, can not just buy a usb wifi dongle :(02:29
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ShadowJKalso connected to usb uses 80mA02:38
ShadowJKactive wlan 250-ish.02:38
ShadowJKor 500-ish02:39
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DocScrutinizerwell, hard to evaluate as WLAN also keeps CPU busy02:40
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nox-you can lower tx power tho (if you're near the ap)02:40
DocScrutinizerbut I honestly doubt a N900 tethered over USB, with screen and cellmo off, will eat more than 2.5W even on heavy WLAN usage02:41
ShadowJKtxpower is marginal part of the power use02:41
DocScrutinizeryep, indeed02:42
DocScrutinizer100mW02:42
nox-ah ok02:42
DocScrutinizerefficiency 50% = 200mW /5V = 40mA max on USB02:42
ShadowJKThe only reason that option exists is to satisfy french regulations02:42
ShadowJKyou can use 100mW indoors and 10mW outdoors in France02:43
nox-heh02:43
DocScrutinizerooh thought it's completely prohibited outdoors02:43
dangergrrloh, i could turn the gsm off while i am home02:44
dangergrrlno cell in range here, i am in a canyon02:44
dangergrrllike once every 8 hours or so my text messages go through02:44
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dangergrrlthat would lower my power use, yes?02:45
ShadowJKa bit02:45
ShadowJKhow warm is your N900?02:45
dangergrrlfairly warm02:46
dangergrrlbut not hot right now, my torrent finished :)02:46
ShadowJKheh02:47
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LaoLang_coolwhich cmd can I run in xterm to invoke the view of app list?03:59
LaoLang_coolAnd is it possible to hide the app list icon on the top left of the desktop?03:59
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woldrichwhat's 'view of app list'?06:02
woldrichif you mean installed packaged,   dpkg --get-selections should work06:03
woldrichoh dear. 2089 packages06:04
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woldrichat least half of them seems to be language files for obscure languages like swedish, I don't want this, can we tell dpkg to just install the english files?06:06
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LaoLang_coolwoldrich: the view of the app list is the view after you click the icon at the top left08:35
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cityLights~seem MohhamadAG11:35
cityLights~seen MohhamadAG11:35
Siceloone h11:35
infoboti haven't seen 'mohhamadag', cityLights11:35
cityLights~seen DocScrutinizer11:35
infobotdocscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (10h 36m 20s) #n9 (10h 36m 20s) #harmattan (10h 36m 20s) #meego (10h 36m 20s) #openmoko (10h 36m 20s) #infobot (10h 36m 20s) #openmoko-cdevel (10h 36m 20s). Has said a total of 52 messages. Is idling for 6h 35m 32s, last said: 'n8'.11:35
Sicelo~seen MohammadAG11:36
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo (1d 11h 50m 36s) #harmattan (1d 11h 50m 36s) #meego (1d 11h 50m 36s). Has said a total of 63 messages. Is idling for 14h 14m 54s, last said: 'slow as fuck though, 64MBs of RAM :P'.11:36
cityLightsDocScrutinizer: dnsmasq was working well11:36
Sicelo~seen DocScrutinizer5111:36
infobotdocscrutinizer51 is currently on #maemo (2d 19h 48m 9s) #harmattan (2d 19h 48m 9s) #openmoko (2d 19h 48m 9s) #openmoko-cdevel (2d 19h 48m 9s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 13h 17m 41s, last said: 'damn 3G cuts thru my battery in mere 9h of IRC standby'.11:36
cityLightsyet the domain suffix is not used11:36
cityLightsso name DOESNT query name.domain.net11:37
cityLightsthe line search does appear in the resolv.conf.tun011:37
cityLightsMohammadAG: was up?11:38
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* RST38h moos11:48
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nealPhlogistique: pong11:52
ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/16/nokia_exec_confirms_june_2012_windows_8_tablet_release/ <-- erm "Amsellem also likened Nokia's newly released Lumia 800 Windows Phone 7 smartphone to auto maker BMW's 5 Series."11:55
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RST38hOh well11:55
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RST38hAnyone alive?13:12
SpeedEvilI'm not sure.13:12
SpeedEvilIt's 11AM, but I may be going back to sleep.13:12
jonwilI am here13:13
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Phlogistiqueneal: isn't your repo down?13:30
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nealPhlogistique: I'm not sure I understand the question.14:14
nealPhlogistique: hssl.cs.jhu.edu is accessible and up for over a month...14:14
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DocScrutinizercityLights: nice14:25
cityLightshi14:31
cityLightsok, how can I solve the domain problem?14:32
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cityLightsso when I ping name, dnsmasq will try name.domainnet?14:32
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DocScrutinizersorry, seems I don't know how to implement that on a dnsmasq based system like maemo. On a resolver-only system it seems to get managed by netconfig14:51
DocScrutinizermight be related to /etc/hostname14:52
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cityLightsI am seeking to dynamicly join a host to a domain15:06
cityLightsI guess15:06
cityLightsas for MohammdAG - did he get his N9?15:06
RST38hno15:06
cityLightscan I buy it in brusells at fosdem?15:06
LaoLang_coolI notice that maemo has a clipboard-manager15:06
cityLightsfeb....15:07
LaoLang_coolWhat's it?15:07
RST38hsoftware that manages clipboard contents, no?15:07
LaoLang_coolI try to run in in xterm, but it says only allow one15:07
RST38hmaybe that is because a copy is already running?15:10
LaoLang_coolRST38h: Is there a multi-clipboard manager? so I can copy several contents and paste them15:10
RST38hmaybe, jabe you searched downloads.maemo.org?15:10
RST38hs/jave/have/15:10
LaoLang_coolRST38h: My poor English, don't know what the right keyword is, I searched with 'clipboard', only 'clipboard-manager' returned15:12
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DocScrutinizercityLights: from my opensuse system: http://paste.debian.net/145759/15:13
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derfLaoLang_cool: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=100131615:13
DocScrutinizercityLights: note please this system isn't dnsmasq based15:13
cityLightsyou are very kind!15:14
cityLightsRST38h: so its "lost" in customes?15:15
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RST38hcity: customs asked for some permit from some ministry, and also for more money15:15
cityLightsI can get permits and have $$15:16
cityLightsmay I help15:16
cityLights?15:16
cityLightsI want to keep using linux on my cellular -> I want to buy n915:17
_nicolai_LaoLang_cool, clipman http://maemo.org/packages/view/clipman/15:17
LaoLang_coolderf: thanks, not exact what I want, but it's close.15:17
cityLightsI need hebrew -> mohammadag can do it15:17
cityLightsthere for, I need mohammad ag to have a n9!15:17
RST38hall you need is English15:18
LaoLang_cool_nicolai_: thanks. Yes. But the tool I want is that it can make ctrl-v pop up a menu and let you select the content you've copyied15:18
cityLightsok, I WANT hebrew15:18
cityLightsand rtl15:18
LaoLang_coolRST38h: sorry, my English is broken, I know15:18
RST38hcity: Mohammad will just add arabic =)15:19
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DocScrutinizer~israel-sucks15:21
infobotisrael-sucks is probably http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A15:21
RST38hAhhaha15:21
RST38hprobably needs to be renamed to customs-suck or just customs =)15:22
DocScrutinizer~factinfo israel-sucks15:22
infobotisrael-sucks -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> 6d 14h 35m 57s ago; it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 58s ago.15:22
cityLightswow15:22
RST38hah15:22
cityLightsamazing15:22
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DocScrutinizerthis no N915:24
DocScrutinizerI dunno if MohammadAG will receive an N9 right away from DDP, anyway this is N95015:24
DocScrutinizercityLights: and I doubt MohammadAG will add hebrew ;-P - heard he hates it in university15:25
cityLightsI am the one to solve this15:26
cityLightsgetting a pkg from dhl every week15:26
cityLightsand I did offer my help15:26
cityLightsfor free!15:26
DocScrutinizerX-Fade promised to push/cp/mv whatever the needed bits to cssu repo today, so we might see cssu-T17 next 24h finally15:26
cityLightsI know how to get the special permits15:28
cityLightsdid it a few times15:28
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DocScrutinizercityLights: last info about this unfortunate case is IL "FCC" seized the device and asked for some nonexistent "permission" according to a website they coded during the time the device got delayed at customs15:28
DocScrutinizernow Nokia claims back the device from DHL and sends another one15:29
cityLightsok, should I go to their offices and release it?15:29
cityLightsits 7km from here15:29
cityLightsand I remeber the names of the officals there15:30
DocScrutinizerI think the ball is in Nokia's half again15:30
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cityLightsnext time I should help15:30
DocScrutinizerlast time the N950 went thru to MohammadAG w/o problems, this time customs fscked it up15:31
cityLightsbetter yet, I can get it at fosdem for him15:31
cityLightsas long as I can buy my n915:32
DocScrutinizerhttp://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-11-15.log.html#t2011-11-15T19:47:37 >>so, Nokia's claiming the N950 back and are sending me another one tomorrow<< ff15:34
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DocScrutinizerhttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bvrkuGNA15:35
DocScrutinizer>> <MohammadAG> the whole delay was so they could code the website15:36
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DocScrutinizer>> <MohammadAG> and I must say, they're slow, http://www.moc.gov.il/8-he/MOC.aspx15:37
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* luke-jr never heard back from Nokia on N950 at all15:48
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RST38h...A Chinese biologist has collected five tons of panda crap which he plans to use to make cancer-fighting tea, which will sell at a cup-dropping $36,000 a pound...15:50
ShadowJKi guess that's better than selling panda paws as cancer cure15:51
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RST38hAnd just as effective15:51
SpeedEvilPanda paws are a renewable resource.15:51
SpeedEvilWe have the technology. We can rebuild them!15:51
Macerhahahahaha15:51
Macerlmfao15:52
Macerluke-jr: heard from nokia about am n950?15:52
luke-jr…15:53
Macerare you on the dev a list?15:53
luke-jrwhat dev a list?15:53
MacerA List :-)15:53
luke-jrEnglish15:53
ShadowJKyes please15:54
Macermeaning are you under the assumption tjat you rate an n950?15:54
Macerthat15:54
Macer:-)15:55
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* luke-jr ignores Macer until he wakes up enough to speak Englsih15:55
Maceruhm15:55
* ShadowJK too15:55
Maceri am asking what you contacted them about15:55
luke-jrI said I do  the Gentoo ports, and asked if their thing was strictly Maemo-only.15:56
luke-jrnot only did they not send me one, they never answered the question :P15:56
Macernokia will not dish out to developers who werent hanging onto their testicles throughout the entire meego process15:56
Macerlmao! for gentoo??15:57
Maceri woild have deleted that email too15:57
Macerhahahaha15:57
DocScrutinizerMacer: >>nokia will not dish out to developers who werent hanging onto their testicles throughout the entire meego process<< still not good enough for the WTF of the week, try harder ;-D15:58
Macerthe n950s are for real development for meego and not for some gross hackery to get some lame linux distro working on it15:58
aholler_s/are/were/15:58
DocScrutinizerthis sentence almost makes sense to me now :-)15:59
Maceraholler_: fair point15:59
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MacerDocScrutinizer: really.. thought that made the wtf of the week lol16:00
RST38hMeego? What is Meego?16:00
luke-jrMacer: MeeGo is a lame joke.16:00
Macerluke-jr: maybe. but as far as lame linux distros go. gentoo has to be pretty high up there.16:01
luke-jrno, Gentoo has a comfortable niche16:01
Macerand you are writong to nokia not to develop... but to hack to get some linux distro working16:01
Macerwhich... based on experience from all prevopus models...16:02
Macerwill never worl properly16:02
Macerwork16:02
Macerdamn hc vkb16:02
RST38hluke: comfortable for whom?16:03
RST38hluke: red-eyed linux geeks recompiling their kernel nightly? =)16:03
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luke-jrmeh, the N950s were just loaners anyway?16:03
MacerRST38h: people who like to watch a screen scrolling endlessly16:03
luke-jrRST38h: troll16:03
Maceri have a loaner n90016:04
Macermade in finland16:04
RST38hlike: arguably, a much better occupation16:04
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ALL Nokia DDP devices were loaners ever since16:04
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: maybe. but my N900 wasn't.16:04
Macerluke-jr: i am just messing with you16:04
DocScrutinizerhah16:04
luke-jrI guess  the difference is, Nokia has no intention of ever making N950 available16:05
woldrichbut why. idiots.16:05
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Macerbut in all good honesty.. from the nokia perspective16:05
woldrichthey have customers that want it damn it16:05
Macerif i worked there and read that email i would have read "Gentoo" and "delete"16:05
Macerheh16:05
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: so you are definitely the only guy that got a N900 gift from Nokia16:05
Macerin their eyes the n950s were for serious developers16:05
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: doubt it16:06
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DocScrutinizerexcept maybe some Nokia internals, like konttori etc16:06
Macerwoldrich: because mass production would cost them more than they would gain16:06
aholler_Macer: stop trolling, you obviously know nothing about gentoo16:06
woldrichMacer, really? the n900 isn't that different16:06
HaXeriDocScrutinizer: they aren't16:06
Macerwoldrich: most companies learn from their mistakes16:06
HaXeriwhy would a developer make a software for MeeGo?16:06
DocScrutinizerHaXeri: ??16:06
Macerthe n900 didn't bring either profit or good reviews16:06
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: in fact, I know slono got one too16:06
Macerbecause most joe users didn't like the non-portrait16:07
woldrichI havent read many bad reviews of the n90016:07
Maceror the non-flashy hildon16:07
HaXeriDocScrutinizer: making app for Windows 7 mobile or iOS would be 100 times more profitable than doing it for maemo16:07
Macerwoldrich: well i am sure many did16:07
HaXeri*meego16:07
Macernot only reviews on sites that review things.. but purchasing sites as well16:07
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: I got a N900 too, and managed another 5 or 6 to go to felow devels. ALL were loaners16:07
Macerif someone goes to amazon and thinks an n900 was a good device.. if they even knew what it was... and see 1 str16:07
Macerstar16:07
Macernext... let me get a droid instead16:08
Maceror and iphone :)16:08
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: re-read the papers you signed16:08
Macerwhy would nokia put that much money behind something that wouldn't sell? just like the n900 didn't sell16:08
Macercompared to all other devices16:08
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I signed nothing.16:08
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: it just showed up in the mail one day.16:08
DocScrutinizeramazing16:09
Macerwoldrich: i am not being a jerk towards you... and i love my n900. but playing devil's advocate... that is what i think nokia would say16:09
woldrichwell fuck you nokia16:09
Macerjust as i think nokia wouldn't give 2 secs to an email asking for an n950 to put gentoo on it16:09
Macerif gentoo was in the subject.. they probably deleted it right away and didn't even open it16:09
woldrichyeah we've heard that 3 times already16:10
Macerthey have a hard enough time with meego.. for which the n950 was made to support.. let alone a whole other fork of people bugging them for gentoo related problems16:10
Macerwhy even start a headache like that?16:10
luke-jrMacer: considering that Gentoo is the only OS actually supported for N8x0 and N900 now…16:11
DocScrutinizerthere's been meego-arm16:11
Maceras well as maemo-ssu16:11
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: they still support N8x0 and N900?16:11
DocScrutinizerwhich is all Nokia will care about for N9(50) - if anything16:12
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Macerluke-jr: you have a fair point in that your gentoo projects do continue on the n8x0.. if i can't get debian running on my n810 i will use gentoo ;)16:13
Macerbut that is simply because i am abandoning it as a device16:13
Macerand going to use it as a small powered server16:13
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Macersomething it was not intended to be16:13
Macerif the synology diskstation i have can not handle certain things though. so far the thing is a beast.16:14
Macerotherwise my n810 will be placed somewhere as a glorified mp3 player16:14
Macer / fm radio16:14
luke-jrexcept N810 doesn't have FM…16:16
Maceroh.. really? haven't used it in a while.. ah well16:16
Macerthen glorified mp3 player :)16:16
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luke-jroddly enough, I can't seem to find any record of Quim askign for my address16:31
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Macerwikipedia is always begging for money16:36
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Maceri sure hope the owner doesn't make 7 figures16:36
RST38hMacer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Damage_%28film%2916:38
RST38hMacer: find 10 differences16:38
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Macerhahaha16:41
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MacerRST38h: nice!16:45
Maceri have to see that16:45
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* luke-jr prefers Wikipedia die16:48
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Phlogistiqueneal: oh. Yesterday I had problems with it. OK.17:10
nealPhlogistique: Have you decided to write a twitter client?17:11
Phlogistiqueno, Khwitteur is fine17:11
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Phlogistiquethank you :)17:12
nealno problem :)17:12
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smhar_greetings19:10
smhar_when I run the App manager to update my N900, it tells me that there are no updates available, but when I run apt-get upgrade it says there are 36 updates, what could be wrong?19:12
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Triztsmhar_: I would guess on that you run the "hack" to disable the auto-check of updates when the phone gets on-line, think this does also affect the app manager.19:15
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sombragrishi there... good afternoon19:59
sombragrisI have a question: How can I get a replacement stylus for N900? I lost one and I can't seem to find it...20:00
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MohammadAGopinions? http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/?p=5020:24
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lardman|homeMohammadAG: sounds interesting20:24
lardman|homesort of like Google Latitude, but with better controls20:25
lardman|homeI'd add to the list of things to look at, the ability to hook into existing location services by default, e.g. latitude20:25
lardman|homeso that those with a different phone, and until someone ports the app, have a way of interacting too20:26
hiemanshuMohammadAG: interesting idea20:26
MohammadAGlardman|home, I'm l ooking for devs on all platforms20:27
MohammadAGlooking*20:27
MohammadAGI already got some iOS devs interested, we're fine for Maemo/MeeGo20:27
lardman|homeok20:27
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MohammadAGif it's in Qt/QML that's symbian covered too20:27
MohammadAGand desktops, though mostly useless there20:28
MohammadAGmostly FYI, you can find your own phone with this theoriticly20:28
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MohammadAGif you request your phone's location from your username, no prompt should show20:28
lardman|homeon the phone20:29
MohammadAGyes20:29
MohammadAGideally we'll have a web interface for this20:29
MohammadAGso modern browsers can use it too20:29
lardman|homethough that is catered for by other services isn't it, I'm more interested in the being able to find other people with e.g. time or location radius criteria for them and me20:29
MohammadAGmobile browsers should be able to handle these things20:29
lardman|home"that is catered for" <- finding your phone if it's "borrowed"20:30
MohammadAGlardman|home, the point is finding people20:30
MohammadAGbut you can also use it to find your phone20:30
lardman|homesure, so an added bonus20:30
MohammadAG(that's not the main point though)20:30
MohammadAGyeah, exactly20:30
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lardman|homewould be useful to do offline cell id location20:32
MohammadAGwe could add an option for "fallback to SMS when no connection is available"20:32
MohammadAGthe server would send a hash + some code that's suppressed by the phone UI20:33
MohammadAGand that replies back to the server20:33
MohammadAGthough all this (even without the SMS part) needs something to be paid20:33
MohammadAGI'm not sure which one20:33
MohammadAGwhether it's the API, the app, etc, we need some $$$ to run the servers20:33
lardman|homeyeah, that is a minor problem20:34
lardman|home;)20:34
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hiemanshucharge for membership20:34
lardman|homehmm20:34
lardman|homesmall charge or donate, presumably that would be sufficient to run the servers with sufficient uptake20:35
MohammadAGlardman|home, donations aren't that stable for an income20:35
MohammadAGanyway, we'll decide later20:35
MohammadAGI'm planning to make a team for this20:35
lardman|homeMohammadAG: no, though if the donations are significantly more than the running costs that's not an issue20:35
hiemanshulardman|home: when does that ever happen in the real world? ( except wikipedia)20:36
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lardman|homehiemanshu: depends what the running costs are and how many people use it20:36
DocScrutinizerhell, help! we dunno where to stash all the money from donations!20:36
DocScrutinizerLOL20:36
lardman|homelol20:36
hiemanshurunning costs I expect $8-10 a month for a decent VPS20:37
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: LOL20:37
MohammadAGhiemanshu, remember the server will be doing lots of connections20:37
MohammadAGI plan to have an open app = open TCP connection20:37
lardman|homep2p?20:37
lardman|homenot sure how that would be implemented, and it would use more bandwidth20:38
MohammadAGphones have batteries, not a power supply :p20:38
MohammadAGP2P?20:38
MohammadAGan open connection would be better tbh20:38
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DocScrutinizerfor a reference: donations for hostmode yielded marginally more than 100 bucks in more than a year20:41
MohammadAGI got $80 for Sociality in 2 months, but then poof :p20:41
DocScrutinizerbasically same as for h-e-n, yes20:42
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: I never used hostmode, and equally there weren't many users in total in the grand scheme of things20:43
lardman|homenot compared with a cross-platform location tool anyway20:43
MohammadAGoh hey20:43
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DocScrutinizersure20:43
MohammadAGwe could make it paid on iOS20:43
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MohammadAGthat's a good income20:43
lardman|homelol20:43
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lardman|homeAnyway, whichever way it needs to be done that sounds reasonable20:44
DocScrutinizerprint a fat "I AM RICH" on top of screen on the iOS app, and sell it for 499 bucks20:45
* lardman|home has always thought a nice server on which to run number crunching code for e.g. voice recog would be nice and useful ;)20:45
hiemanshulol20:45
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, wasn't that done20:45
DocScrutinizeryes20:45
DocScrutinizercould be done again20:45
MohammadAGand it was 7k not 50020:45
MohammadAGor I could be mistaken20:45
DocScrutinizernah, think you're right20:46
MohammadAGno20:46
MohammadAG6.999k20:46
DocScrutinizerTHIS was FRIGGIN BRILLIANT!20:46
lardman|homeMohammadAG: so could the server be extended to do things like traffic speed calculation...?20:47
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MohammadAGlardman|home, yes, but Waze does that no?20:47
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, 1k20:47
lardman|homeMohammadAG: so I understand, but do we have a client?20:47
lardman|homeMohammadAG: which also triggers the question of whether the server is required, or whether an app could simply turn an exsiting service on and off20:48
lardman|homealso I don't afaik have access to the Waze server code20:48
MohammadAGSorry, it's cause I have an iPod20:49
MohammadAGand an iPhone, though that's at Orange for replacement20:49
MohammadAGiPod going tomorrow for $20020:49
lardman|homeGood God, an iPhone.....20:49
lardman|homewhat has the world come to20:49
lardman|home?20:49
MohammadAGit's useful to have20:49
MohammadAGfor two reasons20:49
MohammadAGWaze = you know shit on the road20:49
lardman|homecoaster?20:49
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MohammadAGSecond, my bill was 150-250 bucks a month20:50
MohammadAGgetting the iPhone got it down to 5020:50
lardman|homean open source waze would be cool20:50
MohammadAGTotally20:50
lardman|homeouch at the bill20:50
MohammadAGbut we need users20:50
MohammadAGthat's what Waze has20:50
MohammadAGat least in Israel20:50
lardman|homesure20:50
MohammadAGI mean, I see about 70 on an intersection on long roads20:50
* lardman|home has a look to see what else Waze does20:51
MohammadAGlardman|home, tracks you and reports hazards/police/stuff like that to you20:51
MohammadAG"Hazard reported ahead" is spoken, and a count-down-like distance label20:51
MohammadAG"Police reported ahead"20:51
MohammadAG"Speed trap reported ahead", as well as Red light camera + fake camera etc20:52
lardman|homeah ok20:52
MohammadAGit also shows other users' speeds20:52
MohammadAGbasically, we need access to Waze's servers to make an open source successful app20:52
lardman|homeis there a need to replace it for those aspects?20:52
MohammadAGthe amount of data they have is awesome20:52
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lardman|homeyeah, so they have mapping data from somewhere, speed camera data from somewhere, presumable landmark (petrol station) data, routing data, and then finally user speed data for routing, etc20:53
MohammadAGlardman|home, no20:53
MohammadAGmapping data was created by users driving20:53
lardman|homeoh ok20:53
MohammadAGthey have their own maps20:53
lardman|homeI think I'd prefer to use OSM and then add to that20:54
MohammadAGno20:54
MohammadAGtheir maps are dynamic20:54
MohammadAGbasically, you don't get images20:54
lardman|homewhat do you mean?20:54
MohammadAGthe app gets data + locations, so the app receives text only20:54
MohammadAGand the app itself paints the data20:55
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lardman|homeformat differences aside, not much different to receiving some vector data surely?20:55
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lardman|homeAnyway I could imagine using OSM as a backend for road and landmark data (do they have speed cameras?)20:56
lardman|homeI wonder if the on-device client could also hook into the Waze network as a client and then "borrow" data about roadspeeds20:57
lardman|homenot sure if that's exposed or against the terms of use20:57
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lardman|hometraffic blockages, roadworks and the like can be had for free by a little webscraping or RDS if you're not in the UK20:58
lardman|homeI wonder if RDS traffic data can be reproduced in the UK or if that's again against the terms of use...?20:58
lardman|homeMohammadAG: Anyway my point was that the knowing the location of your friends is compelling imo, but that there are other possible apps that could use the same backend data20:59
MohammadAGlardman|home, maybe in future versions20:59
MohammadAGbasically right now, the app needs to use very little battery20:59
lardman|homesure21:00
MohammadAGas in, when someone requests your location, your phone's pinged, GPS is sent and switched off21:00
lardman|homeI was just thinking about what one could do with servers ;)21:00
lardman|homeIs it possible to ping a phone on a 3G connection?21:01
lardman|homeespecially if it's moving in and out of signal and across cell towers? (/me has no idea)21:01
MohammadAGlardman|home, http://i42.tinypic.com/2chqmtk.jpg21:01
MohammadAGbtw, next to time you can see free memory, so have a laugh21:02
lardman|homewhat is that Waze?21:02
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MohammadAGyes21:04
lardman|homepretty sparse in the UK outside of London21:05
MohammadAGsec21:05
lardman|homebut going back to my question, can you really do push updates?21:05
MohammadAGmore incoming21:05
MohammadAGlardman|home, on?21:05
lardman|home?21:05
MohammadAGtechnically you can, waze does that after all21:05
lardman|homedoes it, or does it get the phone to auto-update every X minutes?21:06
MohammadAGlardman|home, http://i39.tinypic.com/35l9cwm.jpg21:06
MohammadAGlardman|home, http://i44.tinypic.com/a4lh1d.jpg21:07
lardman|homeyeah certainly seems useful, though I'd prefer to have access to the raw data and to then process it for e.g. routing info21:07
MohammadAGhttp://i39.tinypic.com/d5eza.jpg21:07
MohammadAGlardman|home, this is probably what you mean http://i40.tinypic.com/2mxq5tx.jpg21:07
lardman|homeyeah knowing the median road speed, plus using historic data, would be an interesting tihng to look at21:09
lardman|homeso fine Waze currently does that, though if your app takes off, you potentially have far more users21:09
lardman|homebut back to the main goal of your app, how would the updates be performed?21:09
Macerugh21:10
Macerthe gvoice plugin is driving me nuts21:10
MohammadAGfor tracking? open TCP connection21:10
Macerit is totally broken21:10
MohammadAGthe locating? simple push of data then disconnect21:10
lardman|homei.e. can the server actually ping an individual device, or is the device told when to connect and update its location/speed/etc21:10
Macerkeeps making duplicate contacts21:10
Maceror messes up when starting an "IM" for txting21:10
MohammadAGlardman|home, second21:11
Macerwhere the im isnt associasted with the contact you stasrted it with21:11
lardman|homenp21:11
Maceris there any active dev being done on it?21:11
MohammadAGan open TCP connection is left, when that receives a connect request it does a full connection21:11
MohammadAGon what21:11
Maceror a better way to use gvoice in maemo?21:11
Macertheonering?21:11
Macergvoice plugin for maemo21:11
MohammadAGthere was a plan for Nokia to update it through the CSSU, not sure about it21:12
Macerdamn21:12
Macerthat is doubtful21:12
Macernokia never does anything21:12
Macerthe worst is when it really gets screwed up and when you txt your msgs show up as someone else's number or name21:13
Macerif you txt you have to open the contact card and merge it with the contact21:13
Macerotherwise it won't show their name21:13
Macermaybe i will try dialcentral21:14
Macerbdecause this plugin totally sucks.. it is horribly broken21:14
Maceralso when you set up the forwarding number it places it as the screen name21:15
Macerso whenever you reconnect your screen name in your im is your number instead of the sceen name you set21:15
Macerbut the worst part is the way it doesn't properly integrate with contacts21:16
Macereven if you merge all the contacts.. upon reconnect.. you have a ton of duplicate contacts again21:16
Macereven if the gvoice info is already merged into existing contacts21:16
Maceris it even worth filing a bug on all this stuff considering it hasn't been updated forever and there seems to be no active dev for it?21:17
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Macerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=The_One_Ring&diff=41851&oldid=4182821:21
MacerSo you might be using Dialcentral and be thinking "the chat system is horrible and I want to use my system's contacts.21:22
Macerhahahaha!! .. nice to see they improved upon that (sarcasm) :)21:22
Maceri am trying to find out where you file bugs21:27
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Maceri will file a bug on it but its repair is doubtful tbh21:31
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jargon-does mpd+ncmpcpp work on the n900 in freemantle? has anyone successfully tried this? what other mpd-clients work on n900 freemantle?21:35
mgedminmmpc is nice21:36
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mgedminin fact the nicest mpd client I've ever seen on any platform, probably21:36
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jargon-mgedmin: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients they say here it's for 800/810. will it work on 900 too?21:37
mgedminI have it on my n90021:37
jargon-ok21:37
jargon-i'll try it out then21:38
mgedminit's possible I've never used it on my n900, but it runs21:38
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mgedmin(just checked)21:38
jargon-ok21:38
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Macernice21:45
Macerhave to love how maemo.org doesnt have a common user database for filing bugs21:46
Macer:)21:46
Macerso i have to make an acct for both?21:46
Gh0stySSO is an illusion21:46
Gh0styit doesn not exist anywhere ...21:46
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SpeedEvilIt kinda does now.21:48
* SpeedEvil points to facebook.com.21:48
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jargon-hmm. where do i find mpd in the pkgmgr? it's not called mpd,apparently.21:51
jargon-frak. brb.21:52
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jargon-is there no way to search the pkgmgr?22:04
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SpeedEvilapt-cache search22:05
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jargon-doing that now,actually. was hoping the GUI one had that feature too22:05
jargon-well i found libmpd "High-level client library for accessing Music Player Daemon", but i see no actual Music Player Daemon. :-/22:07
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nealmpd runs on a different server22:09
nealtypically22:09
jargon-neal: aaah i see22:10
nealI have a music server, which is headless22:10
nealit runs mpd22:10
nealI control it using an mpd client22:10
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trumeedoes N900 offer better 3g speed compared to N95?23:09
trumeei want to use the phone as a dumb modem, and have a choice between N95 and N90023:10
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Technomikehey guys23:13
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Technomikejust to confirm... can i install the latest cssu on the latest maemo software 1.3.123:14
Macerthis made in china battery charger actually works pretty well23:14
Siceloyes Technomike23:15
Maceri have a nice little 3 battery rotation going on :)23:15
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technomike`Sicelo - i will backup but does it retain apps and settings etc23:32
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Siceloyes.. i installed stable CSSU23:32
technomike`ok thanks :)23:32
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