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| Tenzen | Does anyone know if i'm able to unlock a nokia N900 by flashing it? | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG | If the SIM's locked it's probably stored in CAL, so flashing it won't change anything | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | (I didn't know operators sold it locked, I knew they could, just didn't know there was one doing it) | 00:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | I doubt it's in CAL. | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd suspect it's in the modem | 00:10 |
| Tenzen | I only suspect it is locked. I'm not certain eyt | 00:11 |
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| Tenzen | yet* | 00:11 |
| Tenzen | But i live in New Zealand (where there are only 3 main cell network providers), so i wouldn't be surprised if they do lock it. | 00:12 |
| V13 | ehlo... Any hints on how to detect current desktop orientation as it was added in latest CSU? I have a desktop widget that needs to change behavior when desktop switches to portrait mode. | 00:12 |
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| Tenzen | if it is locked in the CAL, is there any easy way to unlock it? ie not through a dodgy website | 00:14 |
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| Sicelo | Tenzen: what exactly is locked? | 00:16 |
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| Tenzen | I haven't bought it yet, and they haven't replied to my questions about the item yet either. I'm just afraid that if i buy it and the sim is locked to the Vodafone NZ network, i won't be able to use it on the 2degrees network i use. | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | ~seen jonwil | 00:23 |
| infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 2m 49s ago, saying: 'which would be nice'. | 00:23 |
| luke-jr | SIM is locked? O.o | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes, it's definitely in cmt | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tenzen: no, it's not possible to unlock SIMlocked N900 | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except of course with proper unlock code | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this code is device/IMEI specific though, and only the provider who has set the lock can give you the unlock code | 00:42 |
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| badcloud | device off, two-three yello led blinks when charger plugged in, then just a flash of the green (then shuts off) | 00:56 |
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| badcloud | s/yello/yellow | 00:56 |
| badcloud | is this normal? | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | how long are the blinks? | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | and how long in between them? | 00:56 |
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| ShadowJK | and do you get them right away when you plug in charger, or do they appear some time later? | 00:57 |
| badcloud | ShadowJK: takes time before they start blinking | 00:58 |
| badcloud | and they blink like regular charge | 00:58 |
| badcloud | then one green, screen off except for dot animation | 00:59 |
| badcloud | then screen goes blank | 00:59 |
| badcloud | I checked if battery is fully charged, it's 88% | 01:00 |
| badcloud | couldn't find a relevant bug reprt | 01:00 |
| badcloud | report even | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | got anything exotic installed, like power kernel? | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | uboot, multiboot | 01:01 |
| badcloud | nope | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | rescue console | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | or whatever it was called | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | weird | 01:01 |
| badcloud | only thing somewhat advanced was a clocking util I think | 01:01 |
| badcloud | but didn't use it | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | So it's in act_dead mode probably, and crashes when charge reaches full | 01:02 |
| badcloud | ShadowJK: sounds about right | 01:02 |
| badcloud | when I unplug, screen is faintly on | 01:02 |
| badcloud | then dimms | 01:02 |
| badcloud | dims | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | screen going black after knightrider dots animation isn't unusual, just it should come out of it. Unrelated to charging/battery | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | I use act_dead so rarely, most of the time if battery ran empty I start the device as soon as there's enough power to do so | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | so I'm not that familiar with how it's supposed to behave in that "pretend we're dead and just charging" mode :) | 01:04 |
| badcloud | ShadowJK: use act_dead? wasn't something I actively did | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | it's what the "pretend device is 'off' and only 'charging'" mode is called | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | or "device off and charging" mode | 01:05 |
| badcloud | so, in order for me to get a full charge, phone has to be on? | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | no | 01:06 |
| badcloud | battery was at 88% on boot (after unplugging charger) | 01:07 |
| badcloud | doesn't seem full | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unrelated | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | All 3 battery meters are not synchronized with the charger, and the one used by the UI is fully reset on boot, and it makes a guess when started | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | Also, the "charge full" event is unrelated to both charger status and battery meter status :-) | 01:09 |
| badcloud | I'm all confused now | 01:09 |
| badcloud | shouldn't the act_dead be issued at 100% bat cap? | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | In practice most of the time for me the green light turns on half an hour or an hour after battery can be considered "full" | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | no act_dead mode is when device is booted in order to display the charging led and turn led from yellow to green, but prevented from showing the normal user interface | 01:10 |
| merlin1991 | in the harmattan docs there's eve docs on where to place deamon start scripts to have them running in act_dead :D | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | Does aegis actually let you have apps running when in "Off, charging only" state on N9? :) | 01:12 |
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| badcloud | couldn't find anything that would change charging habits | 01:13 |
| badcloud | in terms of apps installed | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | Anything that changes the kernel, or modifies the boot process | 01:14 |
| merlin1991 | dunno ShadowJK at least the documentation tells you where to place configuration for deamons to start in act_dead | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | "clocking app" might have pulled in power-kernel, if you're talking about overclocking or something.. | 01:14 |
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| badcloud | turns out I didn't install anything like that | 01:15 |
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| * badcloud contemplates if it's worth reflashing over something like this | 01:16 | |
| badcloud | just reflashed over some dpkg screw-over | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | Well I wouldn't | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | but that's because I can't remember the last time my device would've been turned off :P | 01:17 |
| badcloud | good point | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | my spare N900 with uboot does some extra reboots on "recover from flat battery" | 01:18 |
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| badcloud | nutbar | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | listen!! do you? IT's UNREALTED TO CHARGING | 01:24 |
| badcloud | DocScrutinizer: then what does it pertain to | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth in rootfs messing up your boot | 01:25 |
| badcloud | DocScrutinizer: is there some file I should be comparing with stock? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would you do that? | 01:26 |
| badcloud | dl stock rootfs onto host pc, extract | 01:26 |
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| ShadowJK | "extract" part is kinda nontrivial :-) | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI you got no access to device whatsoever | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, nah his device boots fine | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | err so what's the problem then ? o.O | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | it reboots on full-battery when in "off" mode and on charger :-) | 01:27 |
| badcloud | ShadowJK: not reboot | 01:27 |
| badcloud | "charges" for a few secs | 01:27 |
| badcloud | then shuts off | 01:28 |
| badcloud | I don't see a solid green | 01:28 |
| badcloud | just a blink | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's normal | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | during boot | 01:28 |
| badcloud | shouldn't I see a solid green led? | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | eventually yes | 01:29 |
| badcloud | ok | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | though no matter if you plug in the powered-down device to charge it, or you power up device via power button, you always *boot* the system, just the boot looks slightly different. So in the end it's still the booting that got messed up on your device | 01:30 |
| * ShadowJK sleeps | 01:30 | |
| badcloud | well, after Nokia usb screen, 2-3 yellows, one green, knightrider, faint blue/black screen, device is OFF off, no leds, nothing going on the screen | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | badcloud: you got powerkernel or hotspot? | 01:31 |
| badcloud | DocScrutinizer: nope | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | when device is in that OFF off state, while still hooked to USB wall charger, what happens when you press the power button? | 01:32 |
| badcloud | short or long | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | will the white LED ramp up in brightness? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | badcloud: well, does sth happen when you press short? | 01:33 |
| badcloud | yes when long press | 01:33 |
| badcloud | long=same as before+normal boot | 01:33 |
| badcloud | gonna try short now | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's happening when you lock screen/kbd with slider switch when device is full booted up to GUI and connected to charger? what does the LED show then? | 01:35 |
| badcloud | short=white for the duration of press | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:35 |
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| badcloud | booting | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | first blind shot to the blue: mce.ini messed up, or bme confused | 01:37 |
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| badcloud | ^ no led | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you think your device charges even when it doesn't show the yellow/green LED? | 01:38 |
| badcloud | but I think the setting for led charging is off | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 01:38 |
| badcloud | DocScrutinizer: I figured that doesn't effect the charge mode when off | 01:38 |
| badcloud | only when in user gui | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno, but obviously it does | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace /etc/mce/mce.ini by original | 01:39 |
| badcloud | DocScrutinizer: turned setting on | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and - you know it - you owe me a beer for kidding me that much ;-D | 01:40 |
| badcloud | locked kbd, yellow | 01:40 |
| badcloud | done, draft or bottle? ;) | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | bottle please | 01:40 |
| badcloud | shutting off and trying "off" charging mode | 01:41 |
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| badcloud | leds work | 01:41 |
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| badcloud | jeebus that was a dumb, nervewrecking, dumb dumb dumb ride | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so make it 2 beer | 01:43 |
| badcloud | 6-pack | 01:43 |
| badcloud | so, the notification light setting *is* supposed to affect "off" charging mode? | 01:43 |
| badcloud | ^ I'll owe you a chaser for the answer to that one | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it is "supposed to", it obviously does | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess there's no clear definition on what it is supposed to do regarding that | 01:44 |
| badcloud | +ok | 01:45 |
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| badcloud | s/+ok/ok | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you mean what it "usually does on other devices" - then no clue | 01:45 |
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| badcloud | that's what I meant | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never disabled charging indication | 01:45 |
| badcloud | well there you go | 01:46 |
| badcloud | thanks a beer, I mean billion | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm messing with my LED patterns on a way more evil level ;-D | 01:46 |
| badcloud | oh? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | direct edit in mce.ini, and the comment there is rather fuzzy about the 5 possible states for a pattern | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | if we take that for a definition what it's "supposed to do" then I have to say probably not even the original author was clear on it | 01:47 |
| badcloud | haha | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | quote>>> | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | # ScreenOn - 0 only show pattern when the display is off | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | # 1 show pattern even when the display is on | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | # 2 only show pattern when the display is off, including acting dead | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | # 3 show pattern even when the display is on, including acting dead | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | # 4 only show pattern if the display is off, or if in acting dead | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | # 5 always show pattern, even if LED disabled | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if you explain that to me so it makes sense, I owe *you* a beer | 01:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | the 'even' patterns, you mean? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4 and 5 sound like on crack | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | They're different | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 will show in act_dead, display off, display on | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>only show pattern when the display is off, including acting dead<< vs >>only show pattern if the display is off, or if in acting dead<< | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | my head bursts | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Silly. | 01:54 |
| badcloud | unrelated, what would be the best way to install remind without breaking apt? | 01:54 |
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| badcloud | drinks for everyone on the house if you help me with that one | 02:06 |
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| badcloud | night | 02:12 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12388#c3 is interesting | 02:47 |
| povbot | Bug 12388: Missing source code of certificate control panel applet | 02:47 |
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| merlin1991 | yes | 02:50 |
| merlin1991 | and as said we'd need the 0.1.4 source | 02:50 |
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| jonwil | I mean in the context of the Nokia guy saying that the code probably shouldnt have been released in the first place | 02:52 |
| merlin1991 | it does have gpl on it though | 02:53 |
| merlin1991 | also according to the bug report | 02:53 |
| jonwil | trye | 02:54 |
| jonwil | true, that code has GPL | 02:54 |
| merlin1991 | so technically we should have the full code anyway when the package comes with a gpl copyright | 02:54 |
| jonwil | if the code is 100% Nokia, they own it and can do what they like with it | 02:54 |
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| merlin1991 | sure, but they can't ship a binary with gpl attached without giving out source | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure they can. | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | The GPL notice means nothing legally. | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It's an indication that the code may be GPL licenced. | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | bah | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I can ship a GPL notice with a windows DVD, it doesn't mean it's GPL. | 02:56 |
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| merlin1991 | well if they keep it closed they should not attach the notice :D | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | sure you're right | 02:57 |
| jonwil | The 0.1.4 version in PR1.3 has a "nokia proprietary" license file and a comment in the changelog of "Also replaced the faulty debian/copyright file with proper license info." | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | interesting | 02:57 |
| jonwil | indicating that "closed" is the intended license for that package | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: too late. | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | I don't think it would fly in court. | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | oh it would | 02:57 |
| jonwil | I think legally we can use the 0.0.9 code we do have | 02:58 |
| luke-jr | they distributed it under GPL | 02:58 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 02:58 |
| jonwil | and I dont think Nokia can or would stop us | 02:58 |
| luke-jr | they can't change it later | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would you attach a GPL notice to a binary? | 02:58 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: it comes with the deb | 02:58 |
| jonwil | but they have no obligations to release code for 0.1.4 or any other later version | 02:58 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: easily. it effectively means nobody else can redistribute :/ | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does? | 02:58 |
| merlin1991 | the copyright file in the deb claims a gpl | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | then they must release the source ;-D | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: well, you can only distribute with code, and if you don't have the code, not at all | 02:59 |
| merlin1991 | as jonwil said, if anything they'd have to disclose the source of the deb that came with gpl notice | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: copyright holder is not obliged to do anything | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | but it DOES mean we're free to reverse engineer it | 02:59 |
| jonwil | Nokia is the copyright holder and is not obligated to release anything at all | 02:59 |
| jonwil | me, I intend to use the 0.0.9 code we do have and the 0.1.4 binaries and see if I can update it to be functionally equivalent to to the 0.1.4 version | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | The key is - does the person releasing it under GPL have the legal authority do do so. | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | If they do - then even if they do it by mistake - they can't reverse that act - if someone takes a copy. | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | If they don't - the act of including the GPL notice is a no-op. | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also some version released under GPL doesn't oblige the (c)-holder to do same with next revision | 03:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after it's the original author in the end who has claims on what's been done with the source, and only that original author can enforce GPL on others using his code | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all* | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Where in some cases, original author may not be a person. | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | we, the end users, have no rights at all, except those the original author grant to us | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we can't legally enforce a 2nd stage offender to comply to the GPL, only original author who holds (c) can do that | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually | 03:11 |
| jonwil | great, gitorius is being annoying | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | though this might depend on particular state's jurisdiction and legislative | 03:12 |
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| jonwil | great, http://gitorious.org/omap3camera just doesnt want to let me get any code | 03:18 |
| jonwil | seems like the git repo just vanished off the face of the earth somehow | 03:21 |
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| jonwil | although from the looks of it, everything for the N900 camera is open source anyway except for camera-ui (which has an open clone in CSSU) | 03:24 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: it at least moves the liability, I would think | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Indeed. | 03:29 |
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| luke-jr | if you use code with the reasonable belief it's available under the GPL, and someone distributed it from Nokia that way without authorization, I can't see you being held liable for it | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 03:29 |
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| jonwil | hmmm no, camera isnt open, there is libomap3cam and omap3camd, both of which appear to be closed source. | 03:31 |
| jonwil | Lets see who actually uses that lib | 03:31 |
| jonwil | i.e. what links to it | 03:31 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, actually, I wonder just what bits are in the non-working git repo at http://gitorious.org/omap3camera | 03:39 |
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| jonwil | hmmm further analysis suggests its just kernel code | 03:57 |
| jonwil | meaning that omap3camd and libomap3cam are definatly closed | 03:57 |
| jonwil | actually wait, http://www.gitorious.org/omap3camera/mainline/commits/6252d87 implies it might not be closed | 03:59 |
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| jonwil | or not, thats kernel code | 04:00 |
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| jonwil | so yeah it seems to be closed (probably because it has "nokia proprietary" or "TI proprietary" or "camera-sensor-maker proprietary" algorithms for getting the best possible output from the camera | 05:07 |
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| Zer0cool | anybody here use SET on there N900 ?? | 05:14 |
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| slonopotamus | so. should i apt-get upgrade my n900 or not? there are some maemosec updates coming in | 08:17 |
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| Sicelo | no.u should not | 08:44 |
| Sicelo | use HAM | 08:44 |
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| Macer | maemosec updates? :) | 09:46 |
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| Macer | there was one from april | 09:47 |
| Macer | heh | 09:47 |
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| neal | I've promoted the woodchuck server to extras, but apt-woodchuck still needs one more vote! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~20111102-7/ | 11:06 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, which font do you use in xterm? | 11:07 |
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| Sicelo | MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light | 11:09 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: hi, Yes, it's nice, though it's a font for Chinese, but it has closer space between charactors | 11:12 |
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| Sicelo | that's why i use it.. to see more ;) (i ssh from the device most of the the time) | 11:14 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: I notice the speed in ssh to n900 is slow, what about you? | 11:16 |
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| Sicelo | depends on network connection.. my crappy 2.5G works well usually | 11:17 |
| r00t|n900 | over what type of link? | 11:17 |
| Sicelo | oh.. ssh to n900.. if on wifi, psm will cause lag | 11:18 |
| r00t|n900 | i use ppp over bluetooth, works fine | 11:18 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: yes, on wifi | 11:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | psm? | 11:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | So the slow is normal when ssh over wifi? | 11:20 |
| Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode | 11:20 |
| r00t|n900 | powe saving, says google | 11:20 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: thanks! | 11:21 |
| psycho_oreos | it takes about 3 seconds to get a password prompt from a connection to N900 via SSH over wifi. That is without any PSM and without any heavy loads on the N900 at all | 11:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | maybe 2 actually, but 3 being the most | 11:21 |
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| r00t|n900 | n900 UI sucks | 11:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | so go design your own UI and be happy | 11:22 |
| Sicelo | :) | 11:22 |
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| r00t|n900 | the difference between "switch to xchat" and "close xchat" when hitting the task manager with your thumb is a bit small... | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | if you have an enlarged thumb yeah I can see why | 11:26 |
| psycho_oreos | :) | 11:26 |
| r00t|n900 | i'd prefer to jusr run matchbox, but i doubt it's compatible with the apps | 11:27 |
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| r00t|n900 | psycho: or if you have more than two or six windows open... | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | r00t|n900, if you have CSSU/MHD installed its a simple matter of Ctrl/Fn + Backspace | 11:30 |
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| r00t|n900 | psycho: thanks, will try | 11:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | r00t|n900, there's a trick to doing it right though, When you hold down Ctrl/Fn and press Backspace you can switch between programs but when you let go of Ctrl/Fn after you have switched to your desired program window (after you stopped press/hold Backspace) it will maximise that program window. However sometimes if you don't do it right or too slow it seems to leave you in `switcher' window instead of maximising the program of your choice | 11:44 |
| Sicelo | it has to do with which one u 'lift' first :) | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | well yeah that'll take time for me ;) | 11:46 |
| Sicelo | if u lift Tab first, then 'highlighted' window is maximized, otherwise u are returned to switcher | 11:46 |
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| Macer | hi | 11:48 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I'm looking for fetchmail, procmail | 11:52 |
| LaoLang_cool | No port to N900 :( | 11:52 |
| Macer | make it | 11:53 |
| LaoLang_cool | Macer: If I know :) | 11:53 |
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| * pavi is upgrading to community SSU on N900 | 11:53 | |
| pavi | Whats new in community SSU ? | 11:53 |
| psycho_oreos | portrait hildon desktop? | 11:54 |
| pavi | http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/02/community-ssu-features-to-look-forward.html | 11:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err isn't that blog post getting a bit dusty | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cssu | 11:57 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 11:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh very dusty, February entry | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | r00t|n900: (ctl-bs) see: | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 11:58 |
| infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even a video link therein | 11:58 |
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| vdv | hi all | 12:01 |
| vdv | where should translation files be located on maemo5? | 12:02 |
| vdv | qt translation files, qm's | 12:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | /usr/share/locale? | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/ <--- scroll down to N900 section | 12:02 |
| pavi | psycho_oreos, whats new and happening after the meego dust has settled ! | 12:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | pavi, nothing particularly big, just kernel power gets updated constantly, 720p hack is made available (albeit with setbacks) and CSSU updates afaik.. people are talking about N9 these days on tmo threads | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | pavi, you're not by any chance related to qwerty12 are you? lol | 12:06 |
| pavi | psycho_oreos, nopes | 12:06 |
| pavi | 720p hack sounds cool :) | 12:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | pavi, heh just a weird speculation that somehow the handle reminded me of someone else's name (possibly short form/nickname) | 12:07 |
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| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: nice website, thank you! | 12:10 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, its not mine, its a site found by someone else who happened to be looking for ntpdate precompiled binary | 12:10 |
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| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: thank you for the info! ^^ | 12:11 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=867533&postcount=1 <-- that thread | 12:11 |
| jonwil | ~seen pali | 12:11 |
| infobot | pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 12h 58m 44s ago, saying: 'btw, how is state of kernel module for battery charging?'. | 12:11 |
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| Macer | heh | 12:11 |
| jonwil | ok, as soon as I can get git inside scratchbox to not try and talk to an IPv6 address for gitoroious when I have no IPv6 connectivity, I am going to begin work on turning the posted 0.0.9 source code for the certman applet into an 0.1.4 tree :) | 12:13 |
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| jonwil | I am currently rebuilding core networking things without ipv6 support in the hope that fixes it | 12:14 |
| jonwil | although I suspect I need a non-v6 kernel :) | 12:14 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Which font on the screen shot at http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/ ? | 12:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's 2 screenshots, the initial one? | 12:33 |
| LaoLang_cool | It looks like bitstream vesa | 12:33 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/screenshot-alpine.png | 12:33 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, yeah the first one, hmm wouldn't have a clue because that screenshot comes from N8x0 device not N900 :) | 12:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: I think I need a dejavu vesa on N900, It contains more symbols and looks nice | 12:35 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Still looking for a cli pic viewer :( | 12:38 |
| LaoLang_cool | a viewer that can view pic in original size is needed too | 12:38 |
| psycho_oreos | I guess you may need to port that yourself then lol | 12:38 |
| psycho_oreos | image editors didn't help? | 12:38 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: Haven't had a try... | 12:39 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, no point asking if you haven't bothered to try lol | 12:39 |
| LaoLang_cool | I tried imagemagick, but it has some problem, it always popup a icon window when viewing pic | 12:39 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: I prefer a cli tool | 12:40 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd check help/menu for ways to turn it off, there's probably a switch to do it anyway | 12:40 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, not likely, considering there's not many CLI image viewers are available out there | 12:40 |
| psycho_oreos | I mean just for linux alone, there's maybe less than a handful | 12:40 |
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| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: yup, I need to get used to n900's style | 12:41 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, more like you need to stop demanding too much out of that poor N900 :) | 12:41 |
| LaoLang_cool | Using it only for 3 days, but like it very much | 12:41 |
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| trumee | Is it possible to use 3g and wifi at the same time on N900? | 13:05 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 13:05 |
| neal | not using icd | 13:06 |
| trumee | I have my router connected via usb to N900 which is feeding wifi to all the devices. I want to now connect N900 to the wifi on the router as well | 13:06 |
| psycho_oreos | not without creating something like load balancing | 13:06 |
| neal | but yes, it is | 13:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | by the first instance you meant wireless devices are connected via adhoc mode? also assuming if you have that, you can have N900 associated/connected to the router (via wifi) as well. I don't see what's the point in this whole exercise but its probably doable | 13:08 |
| trumee | psycho_oreos: My n900 is acting as a dumb modem (via usb) to my wifi router. I want to connect N900 to the wifi router as well via wifi. | 13:11 |
| psycho_oreos | trumee, well that goes back to what neal said, not with icd. Though you might be able to do it via command line | 13:12 |
| trumee | neal: how can i do that? | 13:13 |
| neal | ifconfig | 13:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | more like iwconfig, check route as well | 13:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | err iwconfig, ifconfig and check route | 13:14 |
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| Phlogistique | neal: is your repo down? | 14:16 |
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| LaoLang_cool | How to take a photo with the object that's in a very close distance? | 15:39 |
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| Sitaup | Hi everyone, Today at 5 pm this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day. | 15:43 |
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| penguinbait | is anybody out there? | 15:57 |
| penguinbait | beside me of course, I have been out there for years | 15:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:59 |
| penguinbait | I thought the who net was gone there for a moment | 16:00 |
| penguinbait | s/who/whole | 16:00 |
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| LaoLang_cool | yup | 16:02 |
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| dangergrrl | ok, i got ipv4 routing through the wifi on n900 from usbnet | 16:26 |
| dangergrrl | is it hard to get ipv6 too? | 16:27 |
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| dangergrrl | i confess to total lack of experience with ipv6 but this isp seems to have it | 16:27 |
| merlin1991 | if I understand ipv6 correctly there is no such thing as nat or masquerade for ipv6 | 16:28 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 16:29 |
| dm8tbr | your ISP should provide you at least a /64. usually then the router would be handing out the prefix by sending RA | 16:30 |
| dangergrrl | i know xchat on the n900 itself is getting ipv6 addresses for servers sometimes | 16:30 |
| dangergrrl | it sounds much more difficult to wrap my thoughts around early in the day :) | 16:30 |
| dm8tbr | DNS will always resolve also AAAA if asked for it. the question is if you really have connectivity | 16:31 |
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| dangergrrl | aha | 16:31 |
| dangergrrl | actually it fails to connect when it tries ipv6 addresses | 16:31 |
| dangergrrl | it is a local configuration problem that it tries i guess | 16:32 |
| dm8tbr | then you might not have ipv6 and it just resolves the addresses, fails to connect because there is no route | 16:33 |
| dm8tbr | ip -6 route | 16:33 |
| dm8tbr | will tell you if you have a default route or a route to 2000::/3 | 16:33 |
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| dangergrrl | ip: not found | 16:36 |
| dangergrrl | netstat -r would not help? | 16:37 |
| dangergrrl | n900 i know has netstat | 16:37 |
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| dm8tbr | cat /proc/net/ipv6_route | 16:40 |
| dm8tbr | ;) | 16:40 |
| dm8tbr | (if a line starts with 2 then you most likely have a route to the world) | 16:40 |
| dm8tbr | netstat -r -6 seems to work on a debian box | 16:41 |
| dangergrrl | aha | 16:42 |
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| dangergrrl | no idea why xchat is asking for ipv6 addrs when it has no routes then :) | 16:42 |
| Sicelo | (sorry to interrupt.. where's the wiki page dangergrrl ;) | 16:43 |
| dangergrrl | i haven't touched it yet, i am reinstalling my desktop and have no gui yet | 16:44 |
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| dangergrrl | had jan 2010 gentoo on here | 16:45 |
| dangergrrl | and i am trying to be a funtoo dev :) | 16:45 |
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| sat2050 | guys | 16:49 |
| sat2050 | can some one help me with my micro sd problem | 16:49 |
| dangergrrl | only if you actually ask your question :) | 16:49 |
| sat2050 | [ 5131.605468] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible | 16:49 |
| sat2050 | [ 5134.465606] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible | 16:49 |
| sat2050 | [ 5134.804016] mmc0: unrecognised CSD structure version 3 | 16:49 |
| sat2050 | [ 5134.911071] mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising SD card | 16:49 |
| sat2050 | i m getting this in my dmesg | 16:50 |
| sat2050 | i had installed nitdroid | 16:50 |
| sat2050 | and then my phone was flashed | 16:50 |
| dangergrrl | did you google the thrid message? | 16:50 |
| sat2050 | i did | 16:50 |
| sat2050 | but no replies to rectify the problem | 16:51 |
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| neal | sat2050: If you open the cover, the micro sd card is disconnected. | 16:58 |
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| neal | sat2050: apparently people like to take out their battery so that their boss/spouse/whatever gets a phone unreachable message. | 16:58 |
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| sat2050 | if i open the cover | 17:04 |
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| sat2050 | sd card is inaccessible | 17:04 |
| neal | yes | 17:04 |
| sat2050 | and when i close the cover it becomes accessible again | 17:04 |
| neal | that is what I said | 17:04 |
| neal | it's a feature | 17:04 |
| sat2050 | yea i knw | 17:04 |
| sat2050 | but my problem is that my card is not getting recognised by the device | 17:05 |
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| sat2050 | seems some kind of driver issue | 17:05 |
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| sat2050 | i just want to know if my card is damaged or not | 17:07 |
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| dangergrrl | your card in theory should not be danaged by software | 17:12 |
| dangergrrl | but i do not know this to be true for certain | 17:12 |
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| sat2050 | hmmm | 17:16 |
| sat2050 | k | 17:16 |
| sat2050 | wwill try other kernels | 17:17 |
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| rm_work | anyone here speak french? I need really quick translation help | 18:01 |
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| neal | I'm not sure how speaking is going to help you. | 18:01 |
| rm_work | Well, I'll assume someone who speaks French is also literate | 18:02 |
| rm_work | though I suppose that may not always hold true | 18:02 |
| neal | interesting theory | 18:02 |
| rm_work | then again, they could sort of sound it out and i'd figure out how to spell it :) | 18:03 |
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| rm_work | so that'd still work | 18:03 |
| Corsac | rm_work: shoot | 18:03 |
| rm_work | I'm trying to make a button in my app for "Choose Requestor" | 18:04 |
| rm_work | or "Select Requestor" or similar | 18:04 |
| Corsac | what is a requestor in your app? | 18:04 |
| rm_work | someone who is making a request | 18:04 |
| rm_work | am trying to figure out how to tell you | 18:04 |
| rm_work | sec | 18:04 |
| Corsac | (note that I'm french, if that helps) | 18:04 |
| rm_work | heh | 18:05 |
| rm_work | well -- imagine I ask you to fetch me a pen for a friend | 18:05 |
| rm_work | and you ask me back "who is the person who requested the pen" | 18:05 |
| rm_work | minus the part about the pen | 18:05 |
| Corsac | so it'd be « Demandeur » | 18:05 |
| rm_work | that's it? | 18:05 |
| Corsac | but with the whole context it might help me :) | 18:05 |
| rm_work | yeah | 18:05 |
| rm_work | it's essentially for an IT helpdesk type system, | 18:06 |
| rm_work | they get calls, they file a ticket on behalf of someone else | 18:06 |
| Corsac | then yeah, Demandeur looks fine | 18:06 |
| rm_work | Alright! see, this is when google translate fails | 18:07 |
| rm_work | It gave me "Demandeur" | 18:07 |
| rm_work | but also "Sélectionnez" | 18:07 |
| rm_work | or | 18:07 |
| rm_work | "Choisissez", etc... depending on what word i used for "select/choose/pick" | 18:07 |
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| neal | ShadowJK, DocScrutinizer: another test: writing directly to my memory card: 15.7 MB/s, writing to a file on an ext3 file system on the memory card: 5.5 MB/s. | 18:23 |
| hakkattakk | hi, I have a strange problem with my n900. It doesn't charge when I use a USB-charger (wall-charger) but it charge fine with my computer. I have tried many different chargers (one worked yesterday, but does not work after I got this problem). Does anyone have a sulotion to this? I forgot my original wall-charger last time I visited my parents, so I haven´t tried the original charger after I | 18:23 |
| hakkattakk | got this problem. Please help me to solve this :) | 18:23 |
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| HaXeri | hakkattakk: your charger is broken :D | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Check the cable. | 18:28 |
| hakkattakk | I use the original USB-cable | 18:28 |
| hakkattakk | that works on my computer | 18:28 |
| neal | shadowjk, DocScrutinizer: 10 MB/s writing to fat32. | 18:29 |
| hakkattakk | I have tried one fake and one real iPhone-charger | 18:29 |
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| hakkattakk | I have also tried with another microUSB-cable | 18:29 |
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| hakkattakk | the fake chrager worked one night, but my n900 haven´t been able to charge with a wall-charger after that. | 18:32 |
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| hakkattakk | I have the same problem as TS in this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54981 | 18:36 |
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| ShadowJK | neal, seems similar to what I've seen | 18:40 |
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| ShadowJK | neal, if you want to experiment, try different ext3 journal modes (data= journal,ordered,writeback), and also try with a huge journal | 18:41 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen pali | 20:03 |
| infobot | pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 51m 6s ago, saying: 'btw, how is state of kernel module for battery charging?'. | 20:03 |
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| neal | hakkattakk: Interesting. | 20:25 |
| neal | hakkattakk: I see the same thing with my N900. | 20:25 |
| neal | hakkattakk: Before it no longer charged in the wall, I could play with the usb cord a bit and then it would make a connection and charge. | 20:26 |
| neal | hakkattakk: Then it wouldn't charge at all. | 20:26 |
| neal | hakkattakk: But, it seems that charging via a usb cable connect to a computer works. | 20:27 |
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| ShadowJK | usb port about to eject itself | 20:38 |
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| badcloud | what packages do I need to natively compile on the n900? | 21:22 |
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| aholler | the same as on every linux box, start with gcc | 21:24 |
| badcloud | aholler: thanks | 21:24 |
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| luke-jr | badcloud: easier to install Gentoo :p | 21:27 |
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| badcloud | luke-jr: on the n900? | 21:41 |
| luke-jr | badcloud: yeah | 21:41 |
| badcloud | luke-jr: sounds adventurous | 21:41 |
| badcloud | I'm trying to install easy debian but the img download is taking forEVER | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | badcloud: slonopotamus and I have a N900 overlay | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | (N810 as well) | 21:42 |
| badcloud | slonopotamus? | 21:43 |
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| luke-jr | badcloud: another Gentoo user | 21:46 |
| badcloud | luke-jr: are there tarballs I can try out? | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | badcloud: there is a stage3 | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | wait, that's for N810 | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | oh right, slono was N8x0 only, not N900 | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | 1 sec | 21:49 |
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| luke-jr | http://gentoo.ussg.indiana.edu/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a/ | 21:51 |
| luke-jr | hmm, they just have hardfp stage3 now… I wonder if it's compatible | 21:51 |
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| luke-jr | http://gentoo.ussg.indiana.edu/releases/arm/autobuilds/20111018/armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi/ | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | has some non-hardfp | 21:54 |
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| badcloud | luke-jr: thanks | 21:57 |
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| Phlogistique | neal: ping | 22:02 |
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| luke-jr | badcloud: at some point, use layman to add the n900 overlay | 22:06 |
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| V13 | ehlo... any garage.m.o admin here ? | 22:12 |
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| badcloud | luke-jr: thanks for the info | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | damn 3G cuts thru my battery in mere 9h of IRC standby | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yup | 22:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | I prefer them a little more mature. | 22:33 |
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| badcloud | what's user's default ssh password? | 22:44 |
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| mgedmin | the user account is locked by default | 22:44 |
| badcloud | mgedmin: ah ok | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | I recommend dropping a /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys, and unlocking the accound with passwd -d | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | or you can just set a passwd with passwd | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | the SDK Connectivity Tool does that for the 'developer' user | 22:45 |
| badcloud | mgedmin: I'll try the second one | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | with a randomly generated password | 22:45 |
| badcloud | thanks | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | default root password is 'rootme', but root login is disallowed in /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 22:45 |
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| V13 | also, the user to use to ssh is "developer" not "user" | 22:47 |
| V13 | afaik user "user" doesn't have a pass | 22:47 |
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| * mgedmin already said that :) | 22:48 | |
| badcloud | changed user pass :) | 22:49 |
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| badcloud | ok, I'll ask again only because it's really important to me, how should I go about installing 'remind'? via easy debian? | 22:56 |
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| V13 | badcloud what do you mean ? | 23:36 |
| V13 | you want to install the package under easy debian ? | 23:36 |
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| badcloud | V13: I just want to install 'remind', period | 23:41 |
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| badcloud | I'm just looking for the least messy method to do that | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to define what you mean by install. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Installing remind under easy-debian will not result in it being on the base system. | 23:42 |
| badcloud | SpeedEvil: that I know | 23:43 |
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| badcloud | best case scenario: on base system | 23:43 |
| badcloud | less case scenario: via easy debian | 23:43 |
| badcloud | or other virtual machine | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Man page - tl;dr | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it simply act like cron/at? | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | it stays as a daemon, and executes stuff? | 23:44 |
| badcloud | SpeedEvil: I think it can be run as a daemon | 23:44 |
| badcloud | but I just use it as a calendar, with optional gui frontend | 23:44 |
| badcloud | it's easy for me to sync | 23:45 |
| badcloud | ~.reminders/*.rem | 23:45 |
| badcloud | I'm hooked | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you can just compile it under easy-debina, after installing build-essentials | 23:45 |
| V13 | bacloud: open a terminal under easydebian and type apt-get install remind | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Or install it | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | and then copy over the required files to the base system | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Any GUI probably won't work. | 23:46 |
| V13 | bat as SpeedEvil said, it won't probably do what you want. | 23:46 |
| V13 | bat==but | 23:46 |
| badcloud | that sounds fine | 23:46 |
| badcloud | I don't really use gui's for it anyway | 23:46 |
| Macer | awesome | 23:49 |
| Macer | i am now the proud owner of scientiam.org | 23:49 |
| Macer | :) | 23:49 |
| badcloud | thanks for the tips SpeedEvil V13 | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Good luck. | 23:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | badcloud: you can ctually install build-essentials on the main filesystem - it's probably not a good idea though, it eats most space. | 23:50 |
| Macer | can't believe that wasn't taken | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: I *can* | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | why would you want that domain? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | what does it mean anyway? | 23:53 |
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| * SpeedEvil is depressed that there is no way to kill the microsoft accounts registered through his domain. | 23:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | HAH | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I get three emails - 'x has registered' 'welcome to ...' 'x has changed their email address' | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Several times a day. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | There shouldn't be a way to do that without the email credentials. | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | blacklist microsoft for smtp | 23:56 |
| Macer | lol | 23:56 |
| Macer | really? scientiam? :) | 23:56 |
| Macer | it means knowledge | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart latin | 23:56 |
| * infobot blasts latin to oblivion with a kamehameha wave | 23:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Doesn't help. | 23:57 |
| Macer | haha | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: They still have the accounts registered. | 23:57 |
| * ShadowJK was thinking it must be from the intro song of a certain anime that used latin | 23:57 | |
| Macer | no. not really. i learned that a while ago when i wondered what the word science meant | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no idea what kind of account and how that's related to your domain | 23:58 |
| Macer | science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~pinglatin <Macer> science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing | 23:59 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 23:59 |
| Macer | lmao! | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~forget pinglatin <Macer> science | 23:59 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: i didn't have anything called 'pinglatin <macer> science' to forget | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pinlatin <Macer> science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing | 23:59 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Hello PyQaM5qG@QKWv.com, Thank you for signing up for a Windows Live ID. Use the e-mail address (PyQaM5qG@QKWv.com) and password you provided during sign-up to sign in at any site or service where you see the Windows Live ID logo. | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | FUUUUUUUCK | 23:59 |
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