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| [DarkGUNMAN] | reason i need to share N900 wifi via usb is to get my laptop connected while I'm on holiday. reliable 3 | 00:17 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | reliable 3g is not an option | 00:18 |
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| UberNeo | Hi All .. regarding using the MAEMO from uSD card .. still i have one confusion ... | 00:55 |
| UberNeo | as per DocScrutinizer .. make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id by changing 0 to 1 and vice versa .. which makes sure that now onwards .. Kernel will detect uSD as mmcblk0 and EMMC as mmcblk1 | 00:56 |
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| UberNeo | if that is the case then no need to make any changes ..anywhere of changing .. mmcblk1 to mmcblk0 | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the idea | 00:58 |
| UberNeo | i tried just by making changes only in '/lib/udev/mmc_id' .. but thts doesnt seems to be enough | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-31 04:14:43] <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: no other edits should be needed, just what I suggested 2 line sabove | 00:59 |
| UberNeo | I have a reflashed the N900 again .. with no changes yet .. DocScrutinizer lemme try it one more time .. | 00:59 |
| UberNeo | i will just make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id with 0 to 1 and vice versa | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and of course copy the whole unchanged /home /opt /whatnot to uSD | 01:00 |
| UberNeo | and then reboot .. with uSD card having exactly same partitions and already copied /home in p2 and MyDocs to P1 | 01:00 |
| ColdFyre | ahh i saw a maemo update on my n900 and then i read the topic :( | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: maybe blkid needs a patching as well | 01:03 |
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| UberNeo | DocScrutinizer: what kind of patch | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# blkid | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk1p1: UUID="4A7D-E054" TYPE="vfat" | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk1p2: UUID="87ca03c6-9060-4e1c-aa7d-1bab8dfab6f0" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not entirely sure where from this info is gathered | 01:04 |
| UberNeo | how to apply that patch | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4ACD-9F4D" TYPE="vfat" | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2: LABEL="RX-51_2009SE_1.2" UUID="40b25a3e-1b57-40d3-8c4c-f90ac85f8b5d" TYPE="ext3" | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S what cmd #> blkid; shows on a 'normal' N900 | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc this info is from a file in /etc | 01:05 |
| NIN101 | man page says /proc/partitions | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it should output correct "swapped" info on your edited system. Check it | 01:06 |
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| UberNeo | okk .. I am rebooting .. with just changes made in /lib/udev/mmc_id | 01:06 |
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| UberNeo | blkid -- after just making the changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id ( nothing else) - http://pastebin.com/wVPDABhf | 01:11 |
| UberNeo | dmesg | grep mmc -- http://pastebin.com/Knita0H2 | 01:12 |
| UberNeo | mount -- http://pastebin.com/L6RPhe2J | 01:13 |
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| UberNeo | df -h http://pastebin.com/yhPE7BWT | 01:13 |
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| UberNeo | free - http://pastebin.com/Qv8NuXKF | 01:14 |
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| NIN101 | MyDocs is wrong. | 01:15 |
| UberNeo | yes .. it shud be on /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 01:15 |
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| UberNeo | also 2 old errors are back -- 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application | 01:16 |
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| UberNeo | NIN101: shall i use the same method as discusssed on that day of adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 01:18 |
| UberNeo | also creating a startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC | 01:18 |
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| NIN101 | yes this would work. More interesitng is that somehow the swap didn't work for MyDocs, whatever mounts it(ke-recv ?) ignores fstab and must be searching for it (via blkid?). | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: this will most likely break things on using mass storage mode | 01:30 |
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| UberNeo | after adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh and add a new startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC .. below are the new changes .. | 01:41 |
| UberNeo | mount -- http://pastebin.com/mzuyPApS | 01:41 |
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| UberNeo | still the old issues .. 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application 3) No Video playing in Browser for Youtube .. 4) dbus-daemon .. consuming lots of CPU % | 01:42 |
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| NIN101 | and why did it disappear last time? | 01:44 |
| UberNeo | coz .. last time .. it was actully started using the main System from EMMC ... coz of lots of messup in replacing mmcblk0 with mmcblk1 | 01:45 |
| UberNeo | Now it is totally on uSD .. both /home .. /opt -- MyDocs and Swap as well all on uSD | 01:46 |
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| NIN101 | you copied with cp -a? | 01:51 |
| UberNeo | yess .. i did .. | 01:51 |
| UberNeo | both p1 and p2 | 01:51 |
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| UberNeo | Nokia-N900:/usr/bin# /usr/bin/image-viewer.launch | 01:53 |
| UberNeo | Segmentation fault | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems ke-recv has hardcoded mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 and is caling /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh probably with eMMC mmcblk0 before it got even processed by udev, or at least for eMMC first. Once eMMC got mounted on MyDocs a furhter call for mounting uSD gets rejected by /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh (logger "$0: $PDEV is already mounted") | 01:54 |
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| NIN101 | ke-recv starts after hildon-desktop | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it's maybe a bit too hackerish to edit ke-recv binary, I suggest to convert mount calls to "mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs" to mmcblk1 | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 01:57 |
| NIN101 | that's more or less what we did. | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also note that no MyDocs will get mounted from eMMC when the partition type doesn't meet b | c | e | 4 | 6 | 14 | 16 | 1b | 1c | 1e) | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which would probably result in uSD MyDocs getting mounted instead | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still concerned about blkid and the partition labels | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and UUIDs | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g. a missing partition label "Nokia N900" on mmcblk1p1 uSD would at very least create issues with filemanager etc | 02:03 |
| UberNeo | but File Manager is showing the label "Nokia N900" | 02:04 |
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| UberNeo | and also clicking that .. I am able to access the p1 of uSD card as well | 02:05 |
| UberNeo | pdf reader is opening .. correctly | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's output of blkid? | 02:05 |
| NIN101 | I don't have such a partition label and everything works fine. | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazing | 02:06 |
| UberNeo | blkid - http://pastebin.com/SJDyX7E4 | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway I suggest to change partition type of eMMC p1 to something invalid, i.e. "not in >b | c | e | 4 | 6 | 14 | 16 | 1b | 1c | 1e<" | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while you're at it, change type of your eMMC /dev/mmcblk1p2 as well | 02:09 |
| UberNeo | shall i give 0xfd (linux raid) partition type to both /dev/mmcblk1p1 and /dev/mmcblk1p2 | 02:13 |
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| UberNeo | Old sfdisk -l -- http://pastebin.com/VexRXLu2 | 02:17 |
| UberNeo | After Partition change -- sfdisk -l -- http://pastebin.com/abY5spNE | 02:18 |
| UberNeo | now rebooting | 02:18 |
| UberNeo | No change ... same issues .. | 02:20 |
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| UberNeo | still the old issues .. 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application 3) No Video playing in Browser for Youtube .. 4) dbus-daemon .. consuming lots of CPU % | 02:22 |
| NIN101 | aiui /home/ is the problem here, your issues have nothing to do MyDocs. | 02:24 |
| UberNeo | top -- http://pastebin.com/hUyC8E8q | 02:25 |
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| UberNeo | also after making the Partition Type changes.. n900 is behaving a bit slow .. | 02:39 |
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| NIN101 | well, what now..: strace some programs which fail to start, see what the dbus-messages are saying. This may give you helpful hints of what is going wrong. | 02:47 |
| jonwil | anyone know who owns "http://browser.garage.maemo.org/"? | 02:49 |
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| UberNeo | i dnt need the applications like Calendar or Photos .. but the dbus-daemon is eating the max of CPU .. thats the main prob for me now | 02:51 |
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| UberNeo | also I am able to install application .. both by using Application Manager and apt-get on command line | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought you'd gotten it working last night. | 02:59 |
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| UberNeo | ya actually .. there was a more contribution from eMMC in that .. thats why it was working .. everything was not on uSD coz we had changed at many places from mmcblk0 to mmcblk1 | 03:00 |
| UberNeo | now all is on uSD | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:01 |
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| UberNeo | /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork -- consumin lots of CPU | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | What's sending mesages? | 03:06 |
| UberNeo | dbus-monitor is giving hell lot of output continuously | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dump it to a file for a bit, and then sort to see what the most common ones are, sent by who | 03:09 |
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| Kurt_ | could anyone help me flash my N900 its my first time o.O | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 04:03 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:03 |
| Kurt_ | SpeedEvil would it be better to flash or to use apps manager? | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends. | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | What are you wanting to do? | 04:08 |
| NIN101 | good night. | 04:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Night. | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | good lukc | 04:08 |
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| Kurt_ | upgrade to the latest firmware i guess? cause its outdated. | 04:08 |
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| UberNeo | Good night everybody .. thanks for all the Inputs today .. will try to debug those dbus messages | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Good luck! | 04:13 |
| LaoLang_cool | happy maemoing! | 04:14 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, my N900 is telling me I can get that security update now | 10:22 |
| psycho_oreos | PR1.3.1? | 10:22 |
| jonwil | yes | 10:22 |
| jonwil | Lets hope that means the bits for the cssu to ship drop soon | 10:23 |
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| * valerius tried to install an new update for maemo 5 today -- deinstalled busybox and cannot install it again | 10:26 | |
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| jonwil | worked flawlessly for me | 10:28 |
| valerius | So, I was need to reflash, today reinstalled all my software through gprs | 10:28 |
| jonwil | updated some security related packages | 10:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | valerius, would have been a better idea if you used backupmenu | 10:32 |
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| valerius | psycho_oreos backupmenu? thanks, will try... | 10:34 |
| psycho_oreos | valerius, you'll need to create a backup first (obviously), and then you should be set.. I hope you do not have any other programs that uses fanoush's bootmenu | 10:35 |
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| valerius | I still don't have, but want to try to install something like l4linux or l4android in the future, so I would probably need the bootmenu | 10:38 |
| valerius | are they conflicting? why you hope I don't have such prrograms? | 10:39 |
| psycho_oreos | never heard of l4linux or l4android and I don't think they'd be using fanoush's bootmenu. Afaik there are two projects that depends on fanoush's bootmenu, one of which is backupmenu by robbiethe1st | 10:39 |
| psycho_oreos | yes they conflict | 10:39 |
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| valerius | l4linux and l4android are respectively, linux and android working deprivileged over l4 microokernel. L4/Fiasco and l4linux could be compiled for ARM architecture | 10:42 |
| valerius | they need some kind of a bootmanager | 10:42 |
| valerius | though, I may be confused bootmenu with u-boot | 10:43 |
| psycho_oreos | for some reason I don't think fanoush's bootmenu can provide that unless you use something like kexec. So that would probably leave you with either multibooot (ugh) or uboot | 10:43 |
| psycho_oreos | that's what I'm thinking :) | 10:44 |
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| valerius | kexec? so, it can boot only linux kernels but not other? what multiboot compliant managers do exist? is there some version of grub ported? | 10:46 |
| psycho_oreos | kexec allows you too boot another kernel basically. Though it cannot happen at nolo boot time unless if after it boots into the initial kernel and maybe its environment. as for other multiboot compliant managers, there's only two. Fyi, multiboot itself is also a package that deals with booting up other OS by overwriting the initial blocks. No, GRUB hasn't been ported | 10:48 |
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| jonwil | My mission to document the undocumented continues, I have just come up with a dev package for browser-neteal which lets you talk to the browserd daemon | 11:31 |
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| rly | Is there a way to turn off the 'startup sound' of an N900? | 12:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | what startup sound? | 12:40 |
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| rly | psycho_oreos: the jingle. | 12:46 |
| rly | psycho_oreos: but never mind. | 12:46 |
| rly | I already found the answer. | 12:46 |
| rly | I'd be interested in knowing how to connect via usb to my computer to use its networking facilities. | 12:46 |
| rly | So, that I get internet over usb to the phone. | 12:47 |
| rly | (and subsequently can login via ssh to the phone to do some configuration) | 12:47 |
| rly | That should be possible, right? | 12:47 |
| x29a | yes | 12:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | its called USB networking | 12:50 |
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| rly | Yes, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, but I don't really get all of the instructions. | 12:51 |
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| rly | Also, typing all these commands on the phone directly takes forever. | 12:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Set it up mostly using ssh | 12:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | over wifi | 12:53 |
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| rly | I also never get why people don't just write scripts on pages like this. | 12:55 |
| rly | Then you don't need a 'tutorial', you just copy and paste the command in a terminal, and you are done. | 12:55 |
| ruskie | doesn't really take forever | 12:55 |
| psycho_oreos | you don't learn just by running scripts | 12:56 |
| ruskie | rly, the point of a tutorial is to teach how to do it without a script | 12:56 |
| rly | I will do it via wifi now. | 12:56 |
| ruskie | you can make your own script after that | 12:56 |
| rly | If it actually wants to learn me something, it should contain more information. | 12:56 |
| psycho_oreos | you're welcome to add more information as you wish | 12:57 |
| rly | For example, what's the 'default route'? | 12:57 |
| rly | Why does something like that even exists? | 12:57 |
| psycho_oreos | for now there's enough information for the curious one to go find out whatever they need to know | 12:57 |
| psycho_oreos | and that's unix networking | 12:58 |
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| villager | rly: probably most people who are interested know that the default route is what allows you to access the rest of the internet as opposed to your local home network | 12:59 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm pretty sure by the time you spanned out every possible subject that covers for a single page that discusses how to get USB networking. You end up with a rather nice 80 pages worth of useless garbage for one that only needs to read a portion of it to get the job done | 12:59 |
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| rly | villager: but why can't it just try all available interfaces? Perhaps I have 100 different ways to connect to the internet. It could use all of them in parallel. | 13:05 |
| ruskie | you generally need more work to be multi-homed | 13:06 |
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| rly | ruskie: that's exactly the problem. | 13:06 |
| rly | That they thought that 30 years ago is bad enough; that they are still thinking this is ridiculous. | 13:06 |
| ruskie | what? | 13:06 |
| ruskie | multi-homed setups? | 13:06 |
| rly | Yes, why isn't that default? | 13:07 |
| ruskie | because there's probably less than 1% of the world using this? | 13:07 |
| rly | Seems like a terrible excuse. | 13:07 |
| ruskie | not really | 13:07 |
| ruskie | unless you're a datacenter or have some requirement to be online 24/7 with never failing multi-homed doesn't make much sense | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err... dang I thought I have a bit of a clue about networking. Now you lost me | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't there a parameter called "METRIC" on route? isn't it meant to calculate what'S the cheapest of alternative routes? | 13:11 |
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| Guest36263 | Think so. | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and would I want any of my network devices to spam all my subnets with all possible destinations? | 13:12 |
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| rly | What wireless connections does the n900 support? I shared it from my laptop, but it is listed, except I cannot visit any website. | 13:12 |
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| rly | What do I have to use as the standard gate way? The IP of the laptop or of the router? | 13:21 |
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| nusse_ | rly: try the router ;) | 13:26 |
| rly | nusse_: I am sharing the internet from my laptop to the phone and I did that. | 13:28 |
| rly | nusse_: I have a connection, except it still doesn't work. | 13:28 |
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| rly | nusse_: if I ping it, it is 'unreachable'. | 13:30 |
| nusse_ | then try the laptop | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf are you doing? | 13:32 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: Router <-> Laptop <-> Wifi <-> Phone | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, your laptop has a builtin AP? or with WiFi you meant adhoc mode? | 13:35 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: adhoc mode | 13:36 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: I have seen it working before, but I forgot how to configure it. | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is your "router" only connecting to your laptop while WiFi has no connection to internet? | 13:36 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: the router is a real router. | 13:37 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: so, just UTP between the router and the laptop. | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 13:37 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: the 'wifi' is generated by the wireless ship in adhoc mode on the laptop. | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, first prerequisite seems you get adhoc mode working | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | which could be more tricky than sharing the internet | 13:38 |
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| hiemanshu | adhoc mode is easy, all you have to do is give the right IPs, I do it all the time at home | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, and that's exactly the problem | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the define default route to be via IP of PC, and you're set on phone side for sharing laptop internet to phone | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | then* | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the laptop side is a bit more tricky, and obviously quite dependant on what OS you got there | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and obviously the gateway is the laptop, not the router | 13:52 |
| mece | hey is it possible to record the sounds that the phone makes? | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's really not your problem as long as you can't even ping the laptop | 13:53 |
| mece | internally I mean | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | recaller | 13:53 |
| mece | does that record all sounds? How does it do it? | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | source=system | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think | 13:53 |
| mece | ok cool :) | 13:53 |
| mece | do we have that for harmattan I wonder | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite probably not | 13:54 |
| mece | because of aegis? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda, yeah | 13:54 |
| mece | gah | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | see javispedro's problems with missing audio ploicy for FMRX | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | policy* | 13:55 |
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| Sicelo | rly: how is your laptop connected to touter, and, as asked before, what OS u have? | 13:58 |
| Sicelo | s/tou/rou | 13:59 |
| rly | Sicelo: Ubuntu | 14:02 |
| Sicelo | iptables is your friend then :) | 14:04 |
| Sicelo | u say n900 can't ping laptop? | 14:04 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, i don't see any update after apt-get update, or via HAM | 14:23 |
| Sicelo | i have Nokia Applications, and Nokia System Software Updates, and both update without errors | 14:24 |
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| rly | Sicelo: under connection information under the heading IPv4 I see an IP4 address of what likely is the adhoc network address. | 14:28 |
| rly | Sicelo: I put that into the standard gateway address, but it doesn't do web. | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: I told you to get your adhoc and ping from phone to laptop working *first* | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget your internet forwarding and gateway and route and whatnot, as long as you can't even *ping* your laptop | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ping the phone from laptop (basically same thing) | 14:31 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: ping 10.42.43.1 results in sendto: network is unreachable. | 14:31 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: the broad cast address is 192.168.2.255 | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, yes. | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 14:32 |
| Sicelo | from which side was this adhoc network created? | 14:32 |
| rly | This is pinging the laptop from the phone. | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: you have to understand your adhox network has (and has to have) a different subnet to what your laptop got from your router | 14:33 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: yes, I understand that. | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so please rethink your ping command above | 14:33 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: the 10.<whatever> is what Ubuntu reports to be the IP address of the adhoc access point. | 14:34 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: the usual laptop address is 192.<something> | 14:34 |
| Sicelo | from which side was this adhoc network created? | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has to be like "phone: 192.168.2.55; laptop:192.168.2.66; on phone #>ping 192.168.2.66" | 14:34 |
| rly | Sicelo: the laptop creates it. | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | then | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it has to be like "phone: 10.0.2.55; laptop:10.0.2.66; on phone #>ping 10.0.2.66" | 14:35 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: so, how do I get rid of the 10.<something>? | 14:35 |
| rly | Ok, apparently that's not important. | 14:35 |
| Sicelo | give us ifconfig wlanX outputs for both N900 and laptop | 14:35 |
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| rly | Sicelo: the bcast is 192.X for the phone, which is wrong. | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | setting up adhoc obviously and evidently is non-trivial | 14:36 |
| rly | Sicelo: inet is 192.<something> | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 14:37 |
| rly | Sicelo: (also on phone) | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: please stop sharing 'cooked' info. Your interpretation most likely is spoiling the info | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo asked for a pastebin of #>ifconfig output | 14:38 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: and how am I supposed to provide that? I have no internet on the phone. | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 14:39 |
| rly | There are about 5 fields to fill in as a user. | 14:39 |
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| rly | I can say what I put in there, but otherwise I did nothing exciting. | 14:39 |
| rly | So, I said IP-address: 192.168.2.103 subnetmask 255.255.255.0 standard gateway 10.42.43.255 primary dns adres 10.42.43.255 | 14:40 |
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| rly | That's in the GUI on the phone. | 14:40 |
| rly | The numbers starting with 10. come from Ubuntu. | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which is utterly wrong as standard gateway is in another subnet | 14:41 |
| rly | I am glad that you can see it is wrong, but why? | 14:41 |
| Sicelo | ok. well, delete the whole network from both laptop and N900. then, on laptop, in your Connection Manager, make a new wireless connection, and don't make IP static.. | 14:41 |
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| rly | I want a static IP. | 14:42 |
| Veggen | rly: How is your phone to know where 10.42.43.255 is? | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and as long as you don't conect to that adhoc you won't change anything with the editing of settings | 14:42 |
| Sicelo | :/ | 14:42 |
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| Sicelo | rly: you can tweak it once it works... right now u want this to work | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 14:43 |
| rly | Veggen: it is the ip address of the adhoc access point? | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NO it isn't | 14:43 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: then why does Ubuntu say it is? | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | because you think it does | 14:44 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: ok, I was wrong. | 14:44 |
| Sicelo | continuing from where i was, make sure the laptop is connected to your new connection. ip will probably be 10.42.43.1... | 14:44 |
| Sicelo | now, u should pick that network up with your N900, probably 10.42.43.64 for N900 | 14:44 |
| Sicelo | this will ping | 14:44 |
| Sicelo | rly: i have always used ad-hoc on my N900 until i got a wlan ap | 14:45 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I recreated the connection, did ping 10.42.43.1, but I get Network is unreachable. | 14:47 |
| Veggen | rly: what is the ip-adress on both sides, now? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: dude, I'm not even interested in that. We asked you to share verbatim info of ifconfig | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | the COMMAND ifconfig in XTERM | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | under root, if this might be unclear | 14:49 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I have it in front of me the whole time. Now, inet addr: 192.168.2.103 Bcast:192.168.2.255 | 14:50 |
| rly | Mask is 255.255.255.0 | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's for which interface? | 14:50 |
| rly | wlan0 | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | good, and what's the same info on laptop? | 14:50 |
| rly | The laptop says 10.42.43.1 | 14:51 |
| rly | I have no idea why. | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | for wlan0? | 14:51 |
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| Sicelo | that's good rly.. | 14:51 |
| rly | The laptop says inet addr 10.42.43.1, Bcast 10.42.42.255 | 14:51 |
| Sicelo | for laptop side, that is. your N900 is not connected to laptop if it has 192. ... | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: for which interface? | 14:52 |
| jonwil | bah, how can I get tutorial-eal-bin (a hildon app with a .launch file) to run inside GDB? | 14:52 |
| rly | Sicelo: wlan0 | 14:52 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: wlan0 | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: your adhoc is not connected | 14:52 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: the adhoc network has been created, because I see an icon saying that it is active. | 14:53 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: are you implying that Ubuntu is lying? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems you connected to another adhoc network then | 14:53 |
| Sicelo | rly: no one implies that | 14:53 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: the n900 also shows a connected icon. | 14:54 |
| rly | I connected to UbuntuAdhoc. | 14:54 |
| rly | The laptop displays this and the phone confirms this. | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway this config can not work | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | all peers in an adhoc network have to share one subnet addr, which is covered by the mask | 14:55 |
| Sicelo | where did N900 get ip address? you assigned it? | 14:55 |
| rly | Sicelo: yes | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *SIGH* | 14:55 |
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| rly | Ok, so I just had to do 10.<> | 14:55 |
| Sicelo | give it 10.42.43.64 | 14:55 |
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| rly | Ok, then it works. So, how can I go from some machine running at 192.<>, not being the laptop to 10.42.43.64? | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not at all | 14:58 |
| * Sicelo shoots rly down | 14:58 | |
| Sicelo | :P | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | (unless you'd use mask 0.0.0.0 which probably will fail epically) | 14:58 |
| Sicelo | why do u have interest in the 192.. network? | 14:58 |
| rly | Sicelo: because that's my work station. | 14:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer headdesks | 14:59 | |
| Sicelo | it's the one with internet? | 14:59 |
| rly | Sicelo: no, that's yet another machine. | 14:59 |
| Sicelo | :/ | 14:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer headdesks a bit more | 15:00 | |
| Sicelo | :P | 15:00 |
| Sicelo | laptop has a connection to this 192 network? | 15:00 |
| rly | Sicelo: the eth0 of the laptop is on that network. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: I got 192.168.1.1/24 subnet here. Why can'z I reach your 192.168.1.45 machine? | 15:01 |
| rly | Sicelo: for example, I could ssh to the laptop and then go here. | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the same network, no? X-P | 15:01 |
| Sicelo | so use iptables on your laptop to bridge the wlan0 and eth0 ifaces | 15:01 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: ok, better question. Is there a way to make them one network? | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 15:02 |
| rly | Who designed this internet? ;) | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | as they have no direct connection | 15:02 |
| Sicelo | http://eu.gshellz.org/~sicelo/rc.iptables_ext_int | 15:02 |
| Sicelo | run that as root like rc.iptables_ext_int eth0 wlan0 | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: people who got an idea of what routers are made for ;-P | 15:02 |
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| Sicelo | i copied that from tldp.org :) | 15:03 |
| * Sicelo sees the next question.. how to make N900 reach internet :P | 15:04 | |
| Sicelo | anybody has idea why i didn't get the Nokia update? | 15:04 |
| rly | What exactly is a bridge conceptually? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: if you live in A-town, lemon-alley, do you think you granny in B-town will find you in the lemon-alley in B-town at house# 45 when you live in A-town lemon-alley 45? | 15:05 |
| Sicelo | rly, just run that script | 15:05 |
| jonwil | bah, I cant get gdb to debug tutorial-eal-bin :( | 15:05 |
| Sicelo | as i said before, you can then tweak your setup once it works.. not before | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: I | 15:06 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: no | 15:07 |
| Sicelo | rc.iptables_ext_int eth0 wlan0 | 15:07 |
| Sicelo | as root | 15:07 |
| Sicelo | on your laptop | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *strongly* discourage you to run identical separate subnets locally, as in "my router connects to workstation 192.168.1.66 via cable. Now I create a adhoc net 192.168.1.x to reach that station via a laptop" | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as you *never* will get that sorted, with the experise about networking you got | 15:08 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: I read Tanenbaum's networking book a long time ago. | 15:10 |
| Sicelo | rly, so what do u get from running the script? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: standard gateway is where all traffic to *other* networks gets routed to, if your adhoc has 192.168.1.x then the connect to wour workstation on 192.168.1.66 *never* gets roued to standard gateway and rhus never reaches the destination | 15:10 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I have no idea which point you are trying to make. | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, THAT's the problem | 15:12 |
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| rly | I currently don't experience any problem except that it would be useful to be able to connect directly from a machine on network X to a machine on network Y (the phone). | 15:13 |
| rly | So, if a bridge between X and Y on the laptop does that, well, then it's problem solved. | 15:13 |
| Sicelo | :/ | 15:13 |
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| rly | Sicelo: yes, you just said how. | 15:14 |
| rly | I just don't see which problem DocScrutinizer sees. | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: how THE F* shall it connect directly when it's not connected directly?? | 15:14 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: by 'directly', I mean from a UI point of view. | 15:14 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: so, if I do ssh 10.<> on the 192.<> machine, that it goes there, apparently via bridging. | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so "directly" as in "I ping 8.8.8.8 'directly'" ? | 15:15 |
| rly | Yes | 15:15 |
| rly | If that's not possible, then the Internet sucks. | 15:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what's not "directly" in internet/TCP then | 15:16 | |
| Sicelo | rly: DocScrutinizer is right. heh, internet sucks indeed, coz of NAT, which is what that script does. even Tannenbaum states that :P | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway no router ever can manage colliding IP addr ranges on physically separate interfaces | 15:16 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: but they are not colliding. | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, they don't ?? | 15:17 |
| * Sicelo goes afk a while | 15:17 | |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: no | 15:17 |
| rly | They could be, but they aren't. | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-11-02 13:58:47] <Sicelo> why do u have interest in the 192.. network? | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-11-02 13:58:59] <rly> Sicelo: because that's my work station. | 15:17 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: yes, one of them is 192.<>. | 15:18 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: and the laptop is also on 192.<>. | 15:18 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: and I wanted the phone to also be there. | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you have to connect your phone to the physical network your other machines are using! ooh wait, N900 has no ethernet plug | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you need a NEW subnet | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a bridge connects *diferent* subnets | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's incorrect, but best you never mind | 15:20 |
| rly | So, if I have the bridge, what can I do with it? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | kytesurf? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | really, I got a froodle here, what can I do with it? | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GET YOR ADHOC WORKING! DON'T USE SAME SUBNET IP AS ON ANY OTHER OF YOUR LOCAL NETWORKS! | 15:21 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: It has been working for a long time now. | 15:22 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: no need to yell. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | oncw you got a working adhoc, we will deal with bridging, forwarding, routing, whatever | 15:22 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I have that for over 15 minutes already. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and bye | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | man 8 route | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bridge+Firewall.html | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can bridge to the adhoc "network interface card NIC" | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | however I guess it'S way simpler to route to a destinct subnet | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so your laptop behaves like a router, with your 192.168.x.x. wired network being the "upstream" network and your adhoc network on a diferent subnet addr and the laptop forwarding and doing addr translation for data from adhoc | 15:37 |
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| lardman | Anyone know of an easy way of extracting kernel modules from the kernel build tree and preferably placing them in the correct relative directories in some other location? | 15:38 |
| lardman | I could write a script to do it, just wondering if there's already one extant? | 15:38 |
| derf | Isn't that what make modules_install is for? | 15:39 |
| derf | Or are you talking about something else? | 15:39 |
| lardman | no, that is what I'm talking about - can it accept a root directory? | 15:39 |
| lardman | perhaps it can, I'll have a look see | 15:40 |
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| derf | There's an INSTALL_MOD_PATH variable. | 15:41 |
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| derf | Presumably that could be overridden somewhere. | 15:41 |
| derf | Or MODLIB (which is INSTALL_MOD_PATH with lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE) appended) | 15:42 |
| lardman | ah yes, apparently it can be set on the command line before the make command | 15:42 |
| lardman | make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/some/writable/directory modules_install | 15:42 |
| lardman | cheers derf | 15:42 |
| derf | np | 15:42 |
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| jonwil | duh, helps if I switch to armel :P | 15:48 |
| ruskie | lol | 15:51 |
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| * SpeedEvil reboots into PR1.4. | 15:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | diginotar | 15:56 |
| rly | If I follow the instructions here, I see that it is downloading some file, but it just keeps at 0%. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1.3.1 | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | diginotar-- | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's actually called 1.4 now? o.O | 15:56 |
| * jonwil wonders when the CSSU bits for the digitnotar fix will drop | 15:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It's called 1.4 in my head. | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh :-) | 15:57 |
| * SpeedEvil mehs. | 15:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | I was pondering applying for free solar panels, and they pull teh scheme. | 15:57 |
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| jonwil | The patch seems to have updated the various maemosec* packages | 15:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | 330K though, which was IIRC about the size of the cert file | 15:59 |
| rly | I How can I get the webbrowser to download the stupid http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing-fremantle.install file? | 16:00 |
| rly | Everything else works, I can even use Youtube to my surprise. | 16:00 |
| rly | It should open with HAM, but it doesn't. | 16:01 |
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| jonwil | looks like 2 different base packages were updated in this patch, maemo-security-certman and maemo-security-certman-applet | 16:07 |
| jonwil | The first one claims its LGPL | 16:07 |
| jonwil | the second claims its "nokia proprietary" | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: why should webbrowser download that file? why is it stupid? why should it open in HAM? | 16:07 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: because that's what that website literally states. | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | which website? I've not seen any website URL in your three posts | 16:08 |
| rly | My ssh is also not working. I did useradd myuser; passwd myuser; ssh myuser@<rightip> and inputted the right password, but it just happily claims that it is the wrong password. | 16:09 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 16:09 |
| jonwil | bah, my browser-neteal test doesn't work | 16:09 |
| jonwil | just displays a black screen | 16:09 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: perhaps... http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing-fremantle.install | 16:09 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: "Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and begin processing (be patient)" | 16:09 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: at least that's the link rly provided | 16:09 |
| jonwil | possibly I am missing some important GTK stuff | 16:10 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I did provide the link, btw, just look in your scrollback. | 16:10 |
| jonwil | will post to the mailing list, maybe there is someone there who has guru knowledge of gtk and hildon and can tell me what I am doing wrong | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: I'm not going to scan scrollback for *maybe* related stuff | 16:10 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: that's OK. It was just FYI. | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | also what in >>"Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and begin processing (be patient)"<< makes you think you shall make the webbrowser download that install file? | 16:11 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: it says 'click in the install testing button above'. | 16:12 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I did that too. | 16:12 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: the same thing, downloading the file and stopping at 0% happens. | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, do you think you could phrase a proper bug ticket suitable problem description? along the line "action to reproduce: ... expected outcome: ... actual outcome: ..." ? | 16:13 |
| gomiam | rly: it's just a suspicion, but... may you have some apt* process still running from previous installs? | 16:14 |
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| rly | Type http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | press enter | navigate to green icon | hit screen at position of green icon | wait | observe in downloads a 0% download file named community<blah>. | 16:15 |
| vesa | i get a .install file | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so it's not launching HAM. | 16:16 |
| rly | gomiam: I do get a NO_PUBKEY warning when I do apt-get update. | 16:16 |
| gomiam | rly: it's interesting... it seems to download fine for me, all 223 bytes of it. | 16:16 |
| vesa | oooh, on the device. n/m | 16:16 |
| rly | gomiam: it downloads fine on my computer also. | 16:17 |
| rly | gomiam: likely wget on the phone will also work. | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you sure you're using the default browser? | 16:17 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: yes | 16:17 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: it says "Web". | 16:17 |
| gomiam | rly: as it seems to be just a new catalogue, you may want to forget about it and set it up by hand ;) | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the problem is not the download | 16:17 |
| rly | The problem is me. :) | 16:17 |
| rly | Just a guess. | 16:18 |
| rly | No, I think I followed the instructions correctly. | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, the problem is HAM doesn't start on the file | 16:18 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I also said that the download didn't complete. | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you start HAM from app launcher? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: that's probably bogus | 16:19 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: I am in HAM. | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it *might* be related to download destination storage not available (full, mounted readonly, whatever) | 16:19 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: it says there is a new maemo update. | 16:19 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: with some flashing yellow thing. | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's the problem then I guess | 16:20 |
| rly | Then it said that some catalogi failed. | 16:20 |
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| rly | Nokia-applications, Software updates for Nokia-systems, Ovi and maemo.org. | 16:20 |
| rly | So, how to get those in working order? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want to isntall CSSU you probably should make HAM ignore the 1.3.1 update *for now* | 16:21 |
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| rly | I basically just want ssh to work. | 16:21 |
| rly | But it simply won't let me in. | 16:22 |
| jonwil | I have ssh and I dont have cssu :) | 16:22 |
| rly | Even ssh localhost doesn't work. | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's that related? | 16:22 |
| rly | Well, assuming the whole platform was broken at release, someone might have fixed a bug? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | please get rid of your habit to make assumptions | 16:23 |
| rly | OK | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh works here | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | on all PR releases and CSSU | 16:24 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: with what user do you login? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but only tested for existing users, I.E root and user. I doubt useradd will work | 16:24 |
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| rly | Why wouldn't it work via useradd? | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | useradd itself is probably untested | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on installing ssh pkg you got asked to set a root password afaik | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should be able to ssh root@<n900> and use that password | 16:27 |
| rly | I can run login and then login as root with some password then. | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | also ssh root@localhost | 16:27 |
| rly | I disabled root logins, but OK. | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I dunno what you mean by "I disabled root logins", but anyway user has no password and ssh user@<n900> thus will fail, as ssh without pw doesn't work | 16:29 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: can't I set a password for user? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you're root you do #>passwd user | 16:30 |
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| rly | Ok, locally it works now. | 16:30 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: ping 10.42.43.64 from the laptop doesn't work now? | 16:32 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: never mind, it forgot the connection after a reboot. | 16:32 |
| rly | Another 'useful' feature. | 16:32 |
| rly | It seems Nokia can use some usability people. | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can't autoconnect to adhoc | 16:33 |
| rly | Remotely it now also works. | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least you don't want to | 16:34 |
| rly | Because it drains the battery? | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because on adhoc nobody is sending beacons | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you basically dunno if any adhoc is available | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | your device would connect to your adhoc network located in new york, even when you boot the device in moscow | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | (simplified picture) | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | so who needs the usability people now? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (another assumption you took) | 16:38 |
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| rly | DocScrutinizer: well, the contacts app doesn't allow editing of notes by clicking on them. | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | not saying everything is just optimal on fremantle, but I suggest prior to making assumptions and blaming something a bug or flaw or poorly thought concept you ask if there's maybe a reason it is the way it is | 16:42 |
| rly | I still get this, btw. W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF | 16:42 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: you are entirely right. | 16:42 |
| rly | or 'completely' | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, it's a warning | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I dunno what's your problem with contacts notes. I seem to remember I once got annoyed they won't scroll in contacts view, you have to edit the contact to get scrolling on notes | 16:45 |
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| rly | Also, if you want to add a field like 'Notes', you cannot just press n to go to it. | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway in contacts view I think there's little that can get edited by simply clicking on it | 16:46 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: btw, about birthday calendar, I have a weird bug that people without birthday all (or so) appear to have a birthday on november 30th | 16:46 |
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| Corsac | (so scrolling to november in the calendar is dead slow...) | 16:46 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: I solved the PUBKEY problem. | 16:46 |
| rly | Is there also a way to remotely control the n900 to see the same stuff as on the phone window? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | vnc | 16:46 |
| rly | So, not just an ssh session, but basically a viewport. | 16:47 |
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| Corsac | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11639 haah I already reported it last year | 16:47 |
| povbot` | Bug 11639: birthday-less contacts have a birthday appearing in calendar on nov 30 | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never seen that | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | your contacts database might be corrupt | 16:48 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: how do I get rid of the 'failed catalogi'? | 16:48 |
| Corsac | yeah maybe, but a quick investigation on it doesn't reveal anything | 16:48 |
| Corsac | but maybe backuping then restoring the backup would help | 16:49 |
| rly | I start HAM, do 'Download' and it says that basically all of the updates failed. | 16:49 |
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| rly | apt-get update works fine on the device. | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: edit and fix the parameters of the failed catalog, if they are incorrect. If it's just a problem of the catalog server, then just wait, the issue is commonly known and of transient nature | 16:50 |
| rly | Why don't they put the catalog server on some bigger pipe then? | 16:51 |
| rly | Or via bittorrent, etc. | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's a general connectivity problem, *e.g. when using a non-standard internet conection*, then see wiki USB-networking | 16:51 |
| rly | Now it works. | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications | 16:52 |
| nid0 | tbh, pipes dont get much bigger than the one nokia's repositories are on | 16:52 |
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| fredddd | Could anyone guide me with the following? I would like to synchronise my calendar, task list and contacts to my server, and be able to connect my N900 to it (right now, to give an example, I can link my N900 with Google Sync through ActiveSync, and have that done). But I would like to host it on my own Debian powered server. Anyone have any idea where to go with this? | 16:53 |
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| rly | Isn't angry birds available for the n900? If so, how to install it? | 17:00 |
| rly | I just want to see how well it runs. | 17:01 |
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| nid0 | its on the device by default | 17:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not on PR1.3 | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe 1.2? | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It was downloadable at one point, not now though. | 17:03 |
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| rly | http://store.ovi.com/content/23158 | 17:04 |
| rly | I said 'install', then it downloaded something and I got dropped in HAM. | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: might be in VANILLA | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 17:04 |
| rly | Then, no indication as to what happened. | 17:04 |
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| rly | Ok, now it did something. | 17:07 |
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| rly | Can I zoom arbitrarily much in some way? | 17:22 |
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| rly | Yes, I can. | 17:34 |
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| merlin_1991 | rly: whenever you install something over such a install link that opens ham you have to wait forever | 17:43 |
| merlin_1991 | because it adds the repo if not there | 17:44 |
| merlin_1991 | then runs an apt-get update | 17:44 |
| merlin_1991 | then ham does it's ham parsing of the package list | 17:44 |
| merlin_1991 | and after that it finally installs | 17:44 |
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| FIQ | would prefer X-forwarding, but no proper rightclick :( | 17:45 |
| rly | merlin1991: do you mean 'long' by forever, or 'forever'? | 17:46 |
| FIQ | if just it was a keycode to access rclick... | 17:46 |
| rly | The zooming UI is pretty nice. | 17:46 |
| FIQ | so i could throw it in hardware-wise | 17:46 |
| rly | I am not sure whether the stuff that is done on a HTC is better or not. | 17:46 |
| FIQ | er | 17:46 |
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| FIQ | s/hardware/keyboard/ | 17:47 |
| rly | I think an on screen keyboard is much less convenient, though. | 17:47 |
| merlin1991 | rly well it depends on how many repos you have, with only extras + ovi it's long | 17:47 |
| merlin1991 | with extras - devel enabled it feels like a lifetime | 17:47 |
| FIQ | rly: that wasn't my point | 17:48 |
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| neal | I uploaded a package to the fremantle package builder. Is there a place where I can see its build status? I don't see it, e.g., here http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ | 17:48 |
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| FIQ | merlin: indeed, that's why i don't use HAM | 17:49 |
| rly | How do I get 'all' the packages available? | 17:49 |
| rly | I only have a few lines in my current /etc/apt/sources.list | 17:49 |
| merlin1991 | rly the default sources should be just fine if you're looking for a stable environment, if you like breaking things you can check the maemo-wiki for extras-devel | 17:51 |
| merlin1991 | there are far more packages, but also a lot are somehow broken | 17:51 |
| merlin1991 | ~build-status | 17:52 |
| merlin1991 | neal: I know there was some sort of current build status webpage, but I forgot the link | 17:52 |
| FIQ | ~build-status | 17:52 |
| FIQ | w/e | 17:52 |
| rly | What's the 'best' map application? There was some new one, IIRC. | 17:53 |
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| neal | rly: monav | 17:54 |
| merlin1991 | neal: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 17:54 |
| neal | rly: off-line vector maps | 17:54 |
| neal | rly: It's excellent :) | 17:54 |
| merlin1991 | apparently all build queues are empty | 17:54 |
| neal | merlin1991: hmm. | 17:54 |
| merlin1991 | you could ask X-Fade | 17:55 |
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| neal | merlin1991: Thanks for your help. | 17:57 |
| rly | neal: is that in the default repos? | 17:57 |
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| rly | Is there some easier way to input a large sequence of numbers? | 17:59 |
| rly | Holding the blue button is inconvenient. | 17:59 |
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| rly | Why is WhatsApp not available anymore for the N900? | 18:01 |
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| Sicelo | double tap the blue icon. it 'locks' then u can type all of the blue symbols without using said button | 18:05 |
| rly | neal: I go to http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ click on the n900 link, but it doesn't download the whole file. | 18:05 |
| neal | I don't know what to say, sorry | 18:05 |
| Sicelo | what happens when u click that? | 18:06 |
| rly | Sicelo: it asks whether I want to open it or save it. | 18:06 |
| rly | Sicelo: I say open it with HAM. | 18:06 |
| rly | Sicelo: the download pane shows 0%. | 18:07 |
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| rly | Sicelo: it seems the whole 'download a file' functionality is broken. | 18:07 |
| Sicelo | try save, then dpkg -i your_file as root in terminal | 18:07 |
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| rly | Sicelo: and any way to get the downloading files to work? | 18:07 |
| rly | -the | 18:08 |
| Sicelo | u can't download files? 0.o | 18:08 |
| rly | Sicelo: just saving it also doesn't work. | 18:08 |
| rly | Sicelo: wget works fine. | 18:08 |
| rly | Downloading 'apps' also works fine. | 18:09 |
| rly | Browsing Youtube also works fine. | 18:09 |
| rly | Downloading it via opera also works. | 18:10 |
| rly | It's just the Web application that doesn't work. | 18:11 |
| rly | How can I see which version I have of that? | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bbyopen.com/2010/11/maylong-android-tablet-more-versatile-than-you-think | 18:15 |
| Sicelo | not necessary. u can't have your own version | 18:15 |
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| rly | neal: so, how do I get western-europe loaded into the device for monav? | 18:18 |
| rly | neal: there is germany, but the Netherlands is missing for example. | 18:18 |
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| neal | rly: So far, I've just used germany and france | 18:31 |
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| crashanddie | you've used germany and france? | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | You bastard! | 18:47 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: well, Germany and France aren't really good for anything… | 19:19 |
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| rly | luke-jr: nuclear power and BMWs. | 19:43 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, 58.0M free on / | 20:07 |
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| x29a | Sicelo: im down to 48 | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is it just me, or is the S/N going thru the floor here lately? | 20:22 |
| bindi | s/n? :< | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | signal/noise | 20:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like watching twitter | 20:23 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | so actually S/N goes thru the ceiling | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, scratch that | 20:25 |
| bindi | SNR :( | 20:27 |
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| vdv | hi all | 20:34 |
| NIN101 | hi | 20:35 |
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| vdv | do i understand correctly, that in order to write qt apps for maemo i have following options: 1) maemo sdk + qt for maemo; 2) Qt SDK from nokia; 3) MADDE ? | 20:36 |
| vdv | err, ugly formulated question | 20:37 |
| vdv | but hope still understandable | 20:37 |
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| vdv | did i missed some answer to the question above? | 20:42 |
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| NIN101 | no. but afaik that's about right vdv. | 20:47 |
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| MasseR | That scared me, n900 just said that maemos extras repository can't be reached | 21:12 |
| MasseR | But even then, after yesterdays update, I can't seem to lock on to gps. Anyone else having problems with it? | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MasseR: how are repos related to GPS now? | 21:17 |
| MasseR | DocScrutinizer: Two unrelated things. | 21:17 |
| MasseR | DocScrutinizer: Other than both have manifested after the update (altough I think it found the repository with a second try) | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll find GPS as well on second try ;-D | 21:18 |
| MasseR | Well I didn't find it after the 10th try ;) | 21:19 |
| neal | how do I prevent a package from building for i386 using the autobuilder? | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe get a SIM, get better open sky view | 21:19 |
| MasseR | SIM? And I was under the sky | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, SIM. As in "use GSM for A-GPS" | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gsm-agps | 21:20 |
| infobot | i guess rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or just wait for 10 min to get a first fix | 21:20 |
| MasseR | DocScrutinizer: Usually I get a fix in seconds | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what can I say? | 21:21 |
| MasseR | And apparently I can't even get the gsm location o.O | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 1.3.1 update is not suspicious to interfere with GPS in any way | 21:22 |
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| * SpeedEvil tries. | 21:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, if you really mean what you wrote, then you got your explanation why GPS doesn't get a fix in 10s. A-GPS relies on a rough idea of where you currently are, which is delivered (and also might get spoiled) by info from GSM | 21:24 |
| * SpeedEvil waits for fix. | 21:25 | |
| SpeedEvil | Also check your time isn't off. | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't like that. | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:26 |
| MasseR | DocScrutinizer: "time isn't off", meaning? | 21:26 |
| MasseR | How much off is off | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | time or GSM location guess being off can cause A-GPS to fail completely and never get any fix | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | for time, some seconds | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | More than a few minutes. | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | more than that. | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | for GSM location some 1000 km | 21:27 |
| MasseR | I have automatic updating | 21:27 |
| Sicelo | your operator might not send correct time, like mine :P | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, summer time :-P | 21:28 |
| MasseR | I got some location after changing supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, that too | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | soory I forgot about that | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it can help sometimes to DISable a-gps support | 21:29 |
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| MasseR | Don't tell me it tries to first get the agps, and unless it gets that, it won't even try the satellites? | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should get a cold first fix in max 10 min after that, on clear open sky, and subsequent first fixes will be in the sub-minute range | 21:30 |
| MasseR | Oh and, now even the satellite-gps works | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MasseR: no, it sometimes locks up on bogis a-gps hints | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | bogus* | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | as in "won't try to find sattelites in positions they are supposed to be at 20:00 local time, when system / supl tells me to look for them at their 16:00 positions" | 21:32 |
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| MasseR | Se if n900 thinks I'm more or less 500km to the north, it fails | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, though I think it's more like 5000km than 500km | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 1500km are enough | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask SpeedEvil - he's the GPS expert | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | MasseR: The first level of lock is based on hich satellites are visible, and their expected velocities to the user. | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | They are in 12 hour orbits, so they don't move that fast across the sky - 30 min eitehr way doesn't make a major difference, nor does a few degrees error in position (a few hundred km) | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Outside this, the GPS can be looking in the wrong 'place' for each satellite, and not find it. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course it can look all possible locations, but that takes *time* and you won't want to "waste" receivers (actually correlators) for that when you think you *know* where to look | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | think you know = a-gps | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | If it 'knows' where those locations are - based on time and position - and they're sufficiently wrong - it may not bother looking in the right ones. | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | This can be the right strategy - it will get lock even under relatively deep sky cover. | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 21:40 |
| MasseR | SpeedEvil: That's actually surprisingly interesting. Thank you | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or it fails completely when your assumptions about time and continent are wrong | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | 'place' is not a geographic place as such - it's a place in the 2D space of satellite number, and doppler offset of frequency. | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 21:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | This 'place' is generated by a knowledge of the orbits of the sats, and the current time. | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the "frequency" each sat uses | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | most interesting detail: "number of visible sats" in those diagnostic displays usually is the *calculated* theoretically visible sats for your location and time, not the actually "seen" ones | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. it looks for those sats | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | used sats are those that are "seen" | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (unless they are too many so the GPS chip decides to ignore a few of the seen ones) | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaah, and a-gps is just to deliver those info about visible sats to your device in no time | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S why I said it sometimes may help to disable a-gps. You won't feed the chip with wrong ideas what / where to look for, and so a fix may take longer but can't get spoiled by wrong location or time | 21:51 |
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| rly | How can I see data transfer statistics? | 22:27 |
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| Sicelo | elaborate ... u mean rate, volume, or even whole records covering a number of days? | 22:30 |
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| rly | Sicelo: all | 22:30 |
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| rly | Sicelo: or if not available in some easy way, as many from that list as possible. | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | heh, dunno if there's better way to check transfer rate than iptraf | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | as for the rest, there is NetStory iirc | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | Settings > Phone keeps records for gprs/3g data volumes only | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ifconfig | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | grep RX | 22:37 |
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| Sicelo | thought of that, but it doesn't survive reboots | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, but it's one bit of that rather unspecified set of info the OP was asking for | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) thanks for | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search iptraf | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | network-monitor - IPTraf is a console-based network statistics utility | 22:47 |
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| Juozapas | is there anhy soft for system check? let say I want to buy used n900 and it will be nice to run some system check" software. I mean hardware | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | :) can't see how to make it work with gprs0, but it works perfectly with ppp0 (my 3g dongle via hen) | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | Juozapas: HealthCheck. of course, hardware is hardware, and can't be all tested 100% in software, imo | 22:52 |
| Juozapas | k, thx | 22:52 |
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| Juozapas | a piece of metal just felt down from the back of my 900 | 22:54 |
| Juozapas | shape is like letter L and it goes close to camera slide. anyone had same experiece. | 22:55 |
| Juozapas | ? | 22:55 |
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| Sicelo | heh, that's definitely not where Healthcheck can help. that's for our resident EE :) | 22:56 |
| Juozapas | :! | 22:56 |
| Juozapas | yeah.. | 22:56 |
| Juozapas | can I just remove that piece of metal? | 22:57 |
| Sicelo | i have the L1-4 docs somewhere, but not sure where. ask DocScrutinizer | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Juozapas: It's the spring for the dlider | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | slider | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | you may want to try to glue it back on. | 22:58 |
| Juozapas | k | 22:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | ... | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Angry Birds downloads pass half-billion mark' | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean sure - 1 download isn't a user - but still. | 23:00 |
| rly | I think Angry Birds is just the Pong of mobile phones. | 23:03 |
| rly | Or the hello world of programming. | 23:03 |
| Trewas | and most important of all, it will be the "next nokia" in finland! | 23:05 |
| Trewas | it's unbelieveable how much hype they have been stacking up on game industry here | 23:05 |
| rly | Trewas: one big bubble | 23:05 |
| rly | Wasn't Angry Birds valued at $1B? | 23:06 |
| rly | I would say it's more like a few $M. | 23:07 |
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| Trewas | billions, not just one, have been mentioned for rovio's stock market value... but of course they have to be very quick getting to there | 23:08 |
| rly | Yes, they should _race_ to the stock market. | 23:09 |
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| rly | The cost to recreate what they did is orders of magnitude less than billions. | 23:10 |
| rly | I only invest in companies where that is not the case. | 23:10 |
| nid0 | ofc it is, its just morons repeating the same mistakes of less than 15 years ago | 23:10 |
| rly | A large part of it are likely some smart people that exit before the masses. | 23:10 |
| rly | They will say how great it is, they will publish a 10 billion number in the Financial Times... | 23:11 |
| rly | and then they sell :) | 23:11 |
| rly | Same thing really holds for Facebook too. | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | i don't understand it | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | why people are buying it | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | it's old concept | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | i've seen games like that ages ago | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | even dos based ones | 23:12 |
| rly | jacekowski: perfect execution helps. | 23:12 |
| rly | jacekowski: not anyone else on the platform also helps. | 23:12 |
| rly | Now, as to why people would actually buy the extra maps? No idea. | 23:13 |
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| rly | Even Google only has a limited time business-plan. | 23:14 |
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| rly | It's good that they are now extending to other domains (like autonomous vehicles, since they will surely need something like that to stay alive). | 23:15 |
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| TTilus | my n900 just displayed updates icon and it says "Maemo 5" would be upgraded | 23:41 |
| TTilus | any changelog or anything on whats coming up there | 23:42 |
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| TTilus | i now have 20.2010.36-2 | 23:43 |
| Spydemon | TTilus, I had the upgrade too | 23:44 |
| Sicelo | just a security update. i still haven't got anything | 23:44 |
| TTilus | ah, ok | 23:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | TTilus: diginotar-- | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | That's it. | 23:47 |
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