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| Jaffa | achipa: How many depend on libqtm-12* in Extras? | 00:05 |
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| achipa | not many (sadly ? luckily?) as promotions have been super slow lately | 00:06 |
| achipa | qmltube and mbarcode are the obvious ones | 00:06 |
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| achipa | Jaffa: but that's not really sure... I can't see any libqtm-11 dependencies and I'm pretty sure there is an app or two who uses it... | 00:11 |
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| jabis | Jaffa: my house is like a 3G black hole - go to the bathroom and no signal, come to the kitchen -> full bars | 00:14 |
| jabis | actually an understatement - there just plain and simple is no signal for anything in my bathroom - I suppose it's an omen -.- | 00:15 |
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| achipa | anyway, too tired to try and convince myself to bring at least one machine into a scratchbox-capable state... will have to wait till tomorrow | 00:19 |
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| mr_jrt | x29a: Poking around in the vars view suggests it's that old favourite - not rebuilding/linking properly when you change class members :/ ...and a full rebuild confirms it. Grrr. | 00:52 |
| x29a | arr | 00:53 |
| x29a | what method do you use? subdir template? | 00:54 |
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| x29a | dito | 01:09 |
| x29a | its a pretty slick phone | 01:09 |
| x29a | though id want an n950 | 01:09 |
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| jonwil | bah, I could have sworn information/code about tablet-browser-daemon or browser-neteal or something was out there but now I cant find it | 01:32 |
| drifter | nope | 01:33 |
| x29a | chuck testa | 01:33 |
| drifter | ...nowhere | 01:34 |
| jonwil | why do you say that? :P | 01:35 |
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| drifter | for the lulz | 01:42 |
| drifter | :P | 01:42 |
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| cdahmedeh | hello! is it possible to use google voice for outbound calls to landline on the n900? | 03:41 |
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| HyperSnyper | jonwil > "btw I bet, though Nokia didn't care to keep the UI working, all the NetMonitor functions are *still* burried in BB5 FW" | 04:14 |
| HyperSnyper | Doc was talking about that couple days ago, is that something you could look into ;P | 04:15 |
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| jonwil | Messing with low level stuff like the baseband or bootloader is not something I have the wish to do | 04:23 |
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| jonwil | damn, I found yet another thing that used to be available from some site but no longer exists :( | 09:01 |
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| jonwil | Looks like there existed somewhere a browser-neteal-dev package but the only links I have are broken | 09:04 |
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| jonwil | oh wow | 09:40 |
| jonwil | https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/client-server/trunk/neteal/include/neteal.h is nice | 09:40 |
| jonwil | old but nice | 09:41 |
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| mece | jonwil, what's this now? | 09:49 |
| jonwil | ? | 09:49 |
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| jonwil | Its a header file (MPL licensed at that) for the browser-neteal packager | 09:50 |
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| archl | hi, anybody have a custom build of meego which only run necessary phone and address book application and a pure text editor. | 11:45 |
| arnet | better to ask on #mer | 11:45 |
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| jonwil | ~seen mr_jrt | 12:07 |
| infobot | mr_jrt <~j@jamie-thompson.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11h 15m 13s ago, saying: 'x29a: Poking around in the vars view suggests it's that old favourite - not rebuilding/linking properly when you change class members :/ ...and a full rebuild confirms it. Grrr.'. | 12:07 |
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| kerio | isn't C++ wonderful | 12:07 |
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| x29a | heh, multihighlight | 12:08 |
| kerio | ~seen infobot | 12:08 |
| infobot | infobot is currently on #utos (4d 3h 38m 4s) #asterisk-doc (4d 3h 38m 4s) #botpark (4d 3h 38m 4s) ##t42 (4d 3h 38m 4s) #maemo (4d 3h 38m 4s) #fredlug (4d 3h 38m 4s) ##ols (4d 3h 38m 4s) #n9 (4d 3h 38m 4s) #asterisk-scf-dev (4d 3h 38m 4s) #flyspray (4d 3h 38m 4s) #asterisk-dev (4d 3h 38m 4s) #webos-internals (4d 3h 38m 4s) #opensimpad.org (4d 3h 38m ... | 12:08 |
| kerio | oh god | 12:08 |
| psycho_oreos | overjoyed now with bold fonts bonanza? | 12:09 |
| psycho_oreos | :þ looks almost like stuff coming out of a flood script that script-kiddies used :þ | 12:09 |
| x29a | i enjoy the fact, that infobot is still on #opensimpad.org | 12:11 |
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| Macer | t42? :-) | 12:14 |
| jonwil | I downloaded a whole pile of Symbian code in the hope it has more info on what goes on for Cell Broadcast SMS. I am beginning to wish I hadn't bothered :( | 12:15 |
| jonwil | Its a nightmare to even look at | 12:15 |
| Macer | are you developing for symbian? | 12:15 |
| Macer | i dont care what people say. i am gettong an e7 :-P | 12:16 |
| Macer | heh | 12:16 |
| jonwil | no, I am developing for maemo but I figured that possibly Symbian might contain code that does stuff with cell broadcast SMSs that I can use to learn what to do with different channels and thnigs | 12:16 |
| jonwil | but I am wishing I hadn't bothered | 12:16 |
| jonwil | its a mess of code | 12:16 |
| jonwil | and almost impossible to find anything in | 12:16 |
| Macer | hahaha.. the flaw of "open" | 12:17 |
| Macer | i am guessing the maemo code didnt have anything useful? | 12:17 |
| jonwil | nope obviously | 12:17 |
| Macer | maybe the #meego guys can help if they didnt shoot themselves by now | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, BluesLee would have wanted to talk to you.. and maybe you guys could make a symbian matchmaking couple together :þ | 12:18 |
| Macer | haha | 12:18 |
| jonwil | I already read the ofono code and that doesn't help | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | <BluesLee> someone with an e7 here? | 12:18 |
| Macer | hold pinkies while talking on an n8 and e7? | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | oh yeah in the middle of a maemo channel | 12:18 |
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| Macer | i would laugh if blueslee was some ultra hot woman | 12:19 |
| Macer | :-) | 12:19 |
| Macer | see what making fun does to your sex life? best to keep an open mind | 12:19 |
| Macer | i am waiting for them to hit the 352 mark tho | 12:20 |
| psycho_oreos | there's plenty of fish out there | 12:20 |
| Macer | $350 | 12:20 |
| Macer | yeah.. and i am sure all those fish run maemo | 12:20 |
| Macer | hahaha | 12:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | and they would all be thinking what I would be thinking if some other fish was talking about symbian in the middle of maemo channel.. a banstick | 12:21 |
| Macer | when amazon has silver e7s for 350 im sold | 12:21 |
| Macer | why? people used to talk about symbian all the time here | 12:21 |
| Macer | symbian is not a bad os... just underdemanded and underdeveloped | 12:21 |
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| Macer | i can think of a couple other mobile OSes with a similar story :-P | 12:22 |
| psycho_oreos | there's one word to sum up talking oranges in an apple area.. OFFTOPIC | 12:22 |
| Macer | and you are wrong... the other fish are in #iphone | 12:22 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah sure, so whats next? discussion of wp7/mango? | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 12:23 |
| Macer | traditionally discussions involving maemo have obviously brought comparison to other mobile operating systems | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | it was only once in a blue moon | 12:24 |
| Macer | you dont know what his question was going to be :-) he could have been trying develop a bootloader to put maemo on an e7 | 12:24 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah right, that's really believable | 12:25 |
| Macer | assumption is the murder of knowledge... as is a closed mind | 12:25 |
| psycho_oreos | its not assumption, its called pre-emptive strike with certainty | 12:25 |
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| Macer | and back in the day discussing mobile operating systems here other tjan maemo was the norm | 12:25 |
| Macer | than | 12:25 |
| Macer | as each had its own approach to doing things whether you agree or support them or not | 12:26 |
| Macer | anyways.. have to go. | 12:26 |
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| fredddd | Hm, would anyone be able to guide me in a right direction regarding the following, right now I have my own mail and XMPP server setup, and I got that setup on my N900 (Maemo, CSSU). I also wish to be able to do something similar for contacts, calendar entries and task entries. | 13:38 |
| fredddd | Being able to set something up for it on my server, to then connect to my N900. | 13:39 |
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| * SpeedEvil just recieved a call from nokia care. | 14:26 | |
| jonwil | about what? | 14:26 |
| jonwil | faulty n900? | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | They got my n900, and are sending it off to repair - should be a week. But I'm probably getting an E7 | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | (which I'll then ebay and...) | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Down to backup n900. | 14:27 |
| fredddd | Is there anyway I could obtain a Nokia recharger and touch pen after, breaking it, and losing it? | 14:27 |
| fredddd | I should still have warranty. | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 14:27 |
| fredddd | I bought it in 2009 or so. | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | But you need to buy them. | 14:28 |
| fredddd | Does anyone know where I could obtain them? | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Where are you? | 14:28 |
| fredddd | I bought a USB to power socket thingy. | 14:28 |
| fredddd | And I need to plugin the cable in and out 10 - 15 times before it starts charging. | 14:28 |
| fredddd | Due to the fact Nokia rechargers have 5 pins or something instead of 6. | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Will it charge reliably using the USB cable, and a computer? | 14:28 |
| fredddd | Most likely to make more cash on having everyone to turn to them for rechargers. | 14:28 |
| fredddd | Yes. | 14:28 |
| fredddd | Fine on computer. | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Check for a nokia store in your country - online. | 14:29 |
| fredddd | But if I use my USB to wall socket converter, it does not, and reading online, I read that Nokia did something special to prevent people from using third party rechargers like that. | 14:29 |
| fredddd | Alright. | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise - ebay has lots of similarly shaped objects | 14:29 |
| fredddd | I have been wondering about MeeGo. | 14:29 |
| fredddd | I do not like it, looks, and functionality, compared to Maemo, but, it will be the successor right? | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | The n9, you mean? | 14:30 |
| jonwil | there is no successor for Maemo on the N900 as such | 14:30 |
| jonwil | MeeGo is an alternative | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the only 'successor' from nokia that's likely. | 14:30 |
| fredddd | So Maemo, with CSSU, is the latest and greatest for my little neat N900? | 14:30 |
| jonwil | yes | 14:30 |
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| jonwil | its the best option for your N900 | 14:30 |
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| fredddd | What will I do if my Nokia N900 will ever die? It spoiled me so much I do not want another phone. =( | 14:30 |
| jonwil | buy another N900 from ebay | 14:30 |
| fredddd | Not that it will die anytime soon, I treat it like my baby, allow it to sleep on the bed at night, etc. | 14:30 |
| jonwil | or hope someone has released a suitable phone by them | 14:31 |
| fredddd | Ew, second hand. | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | And what he said. | 14:31 |
| jonwil | I look after my N900 very much too | 14:31 |
| fredddd | I love it, I can not understand why Nokia dumped it like it did. | 14:31 |
| fredddd | If it would die, I would buy it again, if it wuold die again, I would buy it again, and again. | 14:31 |
| jonwil | They dumped it because carriers didnt like it | 14:31 |
| fredddd | It is perfect, the keyboard, the features, the usability. | 14:31 |
| fredddd | Nokia why, why... | 14:31 |
| fredddd | The 600 euros I put down for it. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Carriers in the UK carried the n900 | 14:32 |
| fredddd | All worth it. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Admittedly not all of them. | 14:32 |
| jonwil | yeah some did | 14:32 |
| jonwil | Also I think it was dumped because it had no ecosystem | 14:32 |
| jonwil | and wasnt popular because it had no apps | 14:32 |
| fredddd | I think Nokia is fucking up in general. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair - nokia broke shit. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Not getting ovi store working. | 14:32 |
| fredddd | N900 - Maemo. | 14:32 |
| fredddd | Then they dump it focus on MeeGo with Intel. | 14:32 |
| fredddd | Then they dump that, and go for Windows. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | And about 8 months in - people were being told not to bother with ovi store. | 14:32 |
| fredddd | Nobody likes Windows Phones, so Nokia will fuck up with that one and have no other things to turn to. | 14:33 |
| fredddd | That is, if Nokia is not purchased by Microsoft yet. | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I like mango. | 14:33 |
| fredddd | But that is really something I fear, one day, my Nokia N900, will, leave its earthly body, and go to mobile phone heaven. | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | In fact, I think I'll just go and eat another. | 14:33 |
| fredddd | And then... I will not know what to do. | 14:33 |
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| fredddd | Right now I am trying to setup synchronisations on my N900. | 14:34 |
| fredddd | XMPP, SMTP and IMAP all good. | 14:35 |
| fredddd | Now calendar, task list and contact synchronisation, and RSS feed list perhaps too. | 14:35 |
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| fredddd | On my own server if possible. | 14:35 |
| jonwil | does the N900 do iCal for calendars? | 14:35 |
| fredddd | I would have to look for some free software (GPL or so), that is able to do that Microsoft Exchange Server thing my N900 has. | 14:35 |
| fredddd | Microsoft Exchange thing. | 14:36 |
| fredddd | I just setup Google Sync with it, was nice, and worked fine. | 14:36 |
| jonwil | you mean ActiveSync? | 14:36 |
| fredddd | But I really want to set it up on my own server. | 14:36 |
| fredddd | Er, hold on. | 14:36 |
| fredddd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#ActiveSync | 14:36 |
| fredddd | Yeah, ActiveSync. | 14:36 |
| fredddd | Have any experience? | 14:37 |
| fredddd | I have a server running, at the address acantha.expressionate.org. | 14:37 |
| fredddd | I wish to setup some sort of calendar / task list / contact server and connect it with my N900. | 14:37 |
| fredddd | It uses Debian GNU/Linux. | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Nope. | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I have at the moment three calendar entries on my n900 | 14:37 |
| fredddd | Yeah well I keep track on birthdays and stuff. | 14:37 |
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| fredddd | And I like to keep things synced at two or more places for backup purposes. | 14:38 |
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| * SpeedEvil goes back to reading page 120/430 of the decision makers guide. | 14:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | fredddd: N900 charger is pretty much USB standard. Just most chargers are not. Short D+- in your wallwart | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: see USB charging spec amendment for specifications of short between D+ and D- for signalling fastcharger capabilities to device | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry freemangordon, ETAB - he left | 14:59 |
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| RST38bis | "A steely gaze with little behind it and a firm handshake amplify the appearance of probity." | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm sure for a Russian guy this sounds silly - I always thought you guys over there don't know any other way to shake hands ;-P | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | is this an excerpt from a movie scene description from Rambo-II ? | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or straight from a tutorial for managers? | 15:44 |
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| cityLights | regarding the kernel update | 15:49 |
| cityLights | did anyone try the new kernel V49 from the forum? | 15:49 |
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| Trewas | funny how n9 manages to be much more laggy POS than n900 in normal use, four times the memory and still swapping like there is no tomorrow | 15:58 |
| jonwil | Is the web browser on the N9/N950 webkit based? | 15:59 |
| Trewas | yes | 15:59 |
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| jonwil | interesting how pretty much all smartphone platforms except Microsoft are using webkit for their browsers now | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonwil: Annoying regressions all round. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | No way to drag, no flash, no way to change user-agent. | 16:29 |
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| jonwil | anyone know who "owns" http://browser.garage.maemo.org/? | 16:53 |
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| RST38bis | "A local Virginia Republican group has apologized for sending around a Halloween email that depicted President Obama as a zombie with a hole in his head. " | 17:03 |
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| villager | wow, an official update to maemo 5 today... security updates, apparently... | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 17:12 |
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| pyther | I have an updated title "Maemo 5", what is this? | 18:19 |
| NIN101 | must be the official security update. | 18:20 |
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| eMHa__ | yeah, it says it's a security update | 18:24 |
| eMHa__ | there seems more info about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1116676#post1116676 | 18:24 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400" | 19:01 | |
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| color`coded | :o | 19:03 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer ping | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: pong | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 19:26 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 19:26 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer you've asked me something earlier today which I don't quite understand | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | something about charging | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: was an ETAB, sorry | 19:32 |
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| freemangordon | ETAB? | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nick autocompletion (by TAB) mishap | 19:35 |
| x29a | wrong autocomplete, id assume | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:36 |
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| jesuschrist | hi guys, anyone has java installed on his n900 ? | 20:24 |
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| x29a | jesuschrist: youre with the devil, right? | 20:33 |
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| hakkattakk | :D | 20:34 |
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| jesuschrist | Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from | 20:34 |
| jesuschrist | i get this | 20:34 |
| jesuschrist | on a jar | 20:34 |
| jesuschrist | any idea ? :\ | 20:35 |
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| drifter | Have you tried google? | 20:54 |
| jesuschrist | obviously i tried | 20:54 |
| jesuschrist | but maybe you are a better searcher | 20:55 |
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| jesuschrist | why dont you try it yourself, ill wait for the answer | 20:55 |
| jesuschrist | thanks | 20:55 |
| drifter | Have you seen this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2591516/why-its-failed-to-load-main-class-manifest-attribute-from-jar-file | 20:55 |
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| jesuschrist | do i seem like a provider ? | 20:56 |
| jesuschrist | ahem a programmer | 20:56 |
| drifter | oh lol | 20:56 |
| jesuschrist | i just have the jars | 20:56 |
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| drifter | regardless, it doesnt look too technical | 20:56 |
| jesuschrist | thats because you dindt read what you posted | 20:57 |
| jesuschrist | it says to rebuild the jars and | 20:57 |
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| drifter | dont overlook an article just because you think it's about programming | 20:57 |
| jesuschrist | make a manifesto | 20:57 |
| drifter | hmm | 20:57 |
| whatever4ever | Maemo 5 update just popped up... | 20:57 |
| jesuschrist | i just have the jars | 20:57 |
| whatever4ever | Anyone else upgrade yet? | 20:57 |
| jesuschrist | as i said | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | it's just diginotar isn't it? | 20:57 |
| drifter | one moment | 20:57 |
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| whatever4ever | Anyone know about this newest update? | 20:59 |
| whatever4ever | It's from Nokia, right? | 20:59 |
| drifter | "The answer is simple: There is no mainclass attribute in the manifest. These jar files are not made to be executed as applications." | 20:59 |
| drifter | "Are this jar files for a browser, java midlet files for cell phones or just extensions for other programs? " | 20:59 |
| drifter | - http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=1&thread=112807 | 20:59 |
| drifter | Third result on google for search: "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from" | 21:00 |
| drifter | including quotes | 21:00 |
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| drifter | Does this help? | 21:00 |
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| drifter | Though the answer is simple, I agree the error messages should be more meaningful to end-users. | 21:01 |
| drifter | jesuschrist: | 21:04 |
| x29a | whatever4ever: <villager> wow, an official update to maemo 5 today... security updates, apparently... | 21:05 |
| drifter | jesuschrist: If that helps, please put in a good word with your father for me. | 21:06 |
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| jesuschrist | drifter | 21:07 |
| jesuschrist | im yet to chck the linjs | 21:07 |
| jesuschrist | links | 21:07 |
| drifter | It says that the jar file isn't meant to be executable | 21:08 |
| jesuschrist | pure bullshit | 21:08 |
| jesuschrist | :) | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | They started a thread about the security update a fw weeks ago on the forum | 21:08 |
| drifter | Is it made for a browser, is it a java midlet for cell phones, or an extension for another program? | 21:09 |
| drifter | What is it? | 21:09 |
| jesuschrist | its an app for phones | 21:09 |
| jesuschrist | worked like a charm on my e70 | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | java midlet | 21:09 |
| whatever4ever | just security :< | 21:09 |
| drifter | is that maemo or android | 21:09 |
| jesuschrist | symbian | 21:10 |
| whatever4ever | you find an article x29a? | 21:10 |
| drifter | well, basically it's missing the standard executable tag | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | midlets can't be run under standard java | 21:11 |
| Sicelo | jesuschrist: u trying to run that midlet on your N900? | 21:11 |
| jesuschrist | yep | 21:12 |
| jesuschrist | any help ? | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | u have MicroEmulator? | 21:12 |
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| jesuschrist | i dont | 21:12 |
| jesuschrist | i jave java se | 21:12 |
| jesuschrist | from oracle | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | java se does not run midlets | 21:12 |
| jesuschrist | i thought it did, reading on maemo forums uh | 21:12 |
| jesuschrist | what could i use to run it then ? | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | <Sicelo> u have MicroEmulator? | 21:13 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:13 |
| jesuschrist | ill try it | 21:13 |
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| ShadowJK | and no, there's no app to run lego mindstorm java programs :P | 21:14 |
| Phlogistique | hi there | 21:16 |
| Phlogistique | does the default terminal support 256 colors? | 21:17 |
| drifter | sort of it seems | 21:17 |
| whatever4ever | So what's with the official nokia/maemo update today | 21:17 |
| Phlogistique | then something must be wrong with my setup | 21:17 |
| drifter | Phlogistique: I had 256 colors, but the background wouldn't change when I opened curses programs with a different bg color | 21:18 |
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| Sicelo | E70 is standard midp java, right, or does it have personal java too? | 21:19 |
| Phlogistique | anyone else uses ssh+screen+irssi to irc? care to share how you got utf8 and 256 colors working? | 21:19 |
| drifter | Sorry, I used irssi direct from phone | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | no phone has JavaSE (except if you install it on N900) | 21:20 |
| Phlogistique | drifter: ok. it seems text in colors over than the 16 main colors just does not get displayed | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | whatever4ever, removes diginotar cert | 21:20 |
| drifter | 16 colors? Well, it fooled me. | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | ShadowJK: Nokia 9xxx family had Personal Java (buggy though) as well as a few UIQ phones | 21:21 |
| jesuschrist | ok microemu works | 21:21 |
| jesuschrist | :) | 21:21 |
| drifter | Phlogistique: Are you sure colors beyond 16 are ignored? I've used irssi and vim themes that never ignored a color | 21:22 |
| Sicelo | kewl jesuschrist. | 21:22 |
| jesuschrist | letting you know, microemu works on meego too | 21:22 |
| drifter | Phlogistique: It might have squeezed them into 16 colors but not ignore them. | 21:23 |
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| Sicelo | microemu works everywhere there's standard java. u can take very same N900 Emu to your pc and it will work | 21:23 |
| jesuschrist | it doesnt seem designed for a virtual keyboard still | 21:24 |
| drifter | bye | 21:24 |
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| Sicelo | heh, i don't use vkbd at all on my N900. i come from Nokia 9xxx background | 21:24 |
| jesuschrist | anyway i see | 21:25 |
| jesuschrist | oracle provides | 21:25 |
| jesuschrist | java me | 21:25 |
| jesuschrist | directly | 21:25 |
| jesuschrist | should it be able to run midlets | 21:25 |
| jesuschrist | directly ? | 21:25 |
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| jesuschrist | Sicelo ? | 21:29 |
| * ShadowJK doubts oracle's java me installs on N900 | 21:29 | |
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| jesuschrist | the binaries execute | 21:30 |
| jesuschrist | tried them | 21:30 |
| jesuschrist | now | 21:30 |
| Sicelo | i don't know jesuschrist. | 21:32 |
| Sicelo | Java ME :/ | 21:32 |
| Sicelo | link.. | 21:32 |
| jesuschrist | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javame/index.html | 21:33 |
| jesuschrist | if i understood it correctly microemu is a java me emulator | 21:33 |
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| jesuschrist | i think it works | 21:37 |
| jesuschrist | but | 21:37 |
| jesuschrist | obviously i miss the right syntax | 21:37 |
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| jesuschrist | Cannot start VM () | 21:38 |
| jesuschrist | Could not create JVM. | 21:38 |
| Sicelo | jesuschrist: i'm not a java expert. what i have been saying so far is based on my little experience. so i really have no idea why your oracle gives errors | 21:40 |
| Sicelo | but, that 'could not create jvm' error seems to tell me java is not ready to accept commands | 21:41 |
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| jesuschrist | hmm | 21:46 |
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| Sicelo | jvm is like your command interpreter for a language like python. if that's not there/working, your java apps won't work | 21:54 |
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| whatever4ever | anyone get the n900 update yet? | 22:12 |
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| dzho | "the" update? | 22:13 |
| whatever4ever | yeah, I just had teh popup | 22:13 |
| whatever4ever | official nokia n900 maemo update today | 22:13 |
| whatever4ever | Not sure what it covers though | 22:13 |
| whatever4ever | Someone here said it was just security | 22:13 |
| NIN101 | An Issue with a compromised SSL certificate authority. | 22:13 |
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| whatever4ever | That's it? | 22:14 |
| whatever4ever | It's like a multiple meg update | 22:14 |
| whatever4ever | Those here who have tried the n950 and the n9 - how does it compare to your beloved n900? | 22:15 |
| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 | 22:15 |
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| Sicelo | whatever4ever: 15:58 < Trewas> funny how n9 manages to be much more laggy POS than n900 in normal use, four times the memory and still swapping like there is no tomorrow | 22:22 |
| whatever4ever | How is that possible? | 22:22 |
| whatever4ever | All other devices now, even that vally girls have, are fast as shit | 22:22 |
| whatever4ever | iphone, android, etc | 22:22 |
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| Sicelo | i dunno. haven't N9 myself. we also don't know how Trewas uses his device | 22:22 |
| whatever4ever | It has the same cpu/gfx hardware as the n950, eh? | 22:23 |
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| whatever4ever | I'm going to get CSSU on my n900 soon and hopefully will be more responsive | 22:23 |
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| Sicelo | yours isn't responsive? why? | 22:23 |
| whatever4ever | It's an n900 | 22:23 |
| whatever4ever | I mean, it is fairly responsive, just slw | 22:23 |
| whatever4ever | Takes a long time, for example, for GPS apps to launch | 22:23 |
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| whatever4ever | by that time I'm already on the highway and it is hard to enter addresses :) | 22:23 |
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| NIN101 | the N9 uses so much ram because - afaik - they prestart some programs to make them open faster... | 22:33 |
| whatever4ever | So it should be less laggy then, eh? | 22:33 |
| NIN101 | (sure maemo does kinda the same, but...) | 22:33 |
| whatever4ever | Yeah, I need to learn to optimize those | 22:33 |
| whatever4ever | For example, having pidgin auto start, but probably not a lot of other things | 22:33 |
| NIN101 | s/maemo/maemo 5/ | 22:33 |
| infobot | NIN101 meant: (sure maemo 5 does kinda the same, but...) | 22:33 |
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| whatever4ever | Is meego still not used by most n900 powerusers on a day-to-day? | 22:33 |
| whatever4ever | I'm guessing it hasn't many apps | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why would a power user want to use meego on N900? just for the shits'n'giggles? | 22:49 |
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| Trewas | Sicelo: I don't think I have done anything that special with n9, not running more than a handful of apps at a time but still it is quite often completely unresponsive when trying to unlock it | 22:51 |
| Trewas | and after it is unlocked you can't scroll the app menu or change between home screens without 30s delay | 22:52 |
| Trewas | I mean, n900 was occasionally that bad (for example copy a lot of videos to it and then unplug, and it indexes/thumbnails them), but n9 with four times the memory is just as bad every fucking day without having to do anything to trigger it | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Trewas: that clearly qualifies for a reflash, and if that doesn't help (with no additional "apps" installed) then you should ask for a replacement device | 23:03 |
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| petteri | i think that is quite normal | 23:07 |
| petteri | happened to me also (probably tracker indexing or something) | 23:09 |
| petteri | also updating the feeds seem to "halt" the user interface | 23:10 |
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| Trewas | yeah, I know a couple of couple people with n9's and the UI being stuck / very laggy seems unfortunately common | 23:12 |
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| petteri | i disabled all the feeds and have rebooted the device couple of times. It seems to be much better now than in the first week | 23:13 |
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| Trewas | too bad there is no vmstat command, it would be easy to see how much it is swapping... I mean the 256MB swap is always completely full but I guess it is sometimes changing what is there | 23:15 |
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| Phlogistique | Is there a prefered way to change the default browser? | 23:23 |
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| whatever4ever | "(1:49:37 PM) DocScrutinizer: why would a power user want to use meego on N900? just for the shits'n'giggles?" - That's exactly the questions I was asking | 23:29 |
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| whatever4ever | So, your implied answer is, "no reason besides to test it" | 23:33 |
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| ZogG | whatever4ever why would power user would want n900? | 23:40 |
| ZogG | when iphone is shinny with a lot of *khhhmmm* not real *khhhm* apps | 23:41 |
| NIN101 | yes, iPhone is better than N900 in every aspect of IT. | 23:41 |
| ZogG | nope | 23:41 |
| whatever4ever | What is going on here? | 23:41 |
| ZogG | in all aspect of end user | 23:42 |
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| whatever4ever | I can't tell if n90 has been taken over by trolls or a different user base | 23:42 |
| ZogG | i would even say not user | 23:42 |
| ZogG | but consumer | 23:42 |
| whatever4ever | if #maemo, rather | 23:42 |
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| NIN101 | it was a joke, apparently... | 23:45 |
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| ZogG | i was seriuos | 23:45 |
| ZogG | i liked my n900 more than iphone | 23:45 |
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| ZogG | but just normal consumer would prefer iphone and i think it's better for him | 23:46 |
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| ZogG | as well as i wouldn't call him user as he doesn't really fully use his phone | 23:46 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | evening | 23:47 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | has anyone had success sharing the N900 wifi with a windows PC through usb? | 23:48 |
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| whatever4ever | [DarkGUNMAN]: why? | 23:58 |
| whatever4ever | Because you can't recover the wep key from the n900? | 23:58 |
| whatever4ever | I remember learning how to reveal wep keys entered into the n900 a while back... | 23:59 |
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