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| cdahmedeh | hello, i'm interested in purchasing a nokia n900, i have a few questions about it: | 00:13 |
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| cdahmedeh | 1. is there a proper gps antenna, or it is only a-gps? | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Both | 00:14 |
| cdahmedeh | how's the battery life? | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Up to a week, logged into wifi, and GSM, otherwise idle. | 00:14 |
| cdahmedeh | cool | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | As low as 4h if you've got skype going in the background. | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll however never see that | 00:15 |
| cdahmedeh | alright makes sense | 00:15 |
| cdahmedeh | uhm.. where should i purchase from (canada here), is ebay a good place for them? | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | In fairly heavy use - several hours mp3, some web, ..., I get almost a couple of days. | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | without 3G | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, not much 3g. If you're doing anything that uses 3G data in the background, it gets painful. | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, without any app doing data over 3G | 00:17 |
| cdahmedeh | well 3g can be disable right? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2G is a lil bit beter | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | better* | 00:17 |
| cdahmedeh | perfect, the phone sounds perfect for me, i was looking for a phone where i can do some hacking on it | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | data over GSM is a power hog always | 00:17 |
| cdahmedeh | sounds like it's some debian-based distro | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty much a standard linux system | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | but some differences that you don't see in any linux distro tat can bite you | 00:18 |
| cdahmedeh | alright, any recommended online stores to buy it from? (i'm from canada) | 00:18 |
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| ShadowJK | if you treat it like a pure debian system, hacking on the base system | 00:19 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect you wont find any new anymore | 00:20 |
| cdahmedeh | there's a few new ones on ebay i think | 00:20 |
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| cdahmedeh | like i like writing my own software, and i always wanted some embedded system to play with | 00:21 |
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| cdahmedeh | the n900 sounds like a practical choice | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll love it | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | hint: if the listing claims dual-sim or java, it's probably something lika a "NOKLA N900" and not nokia ;) | 00:22 |
| cdahmedeh | yes the famous chinese phones (-: | 00:25 |
| hakkattakk | is it possible to turn off 3G when the phone is locked? And when I have a Wlan-connection? | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't use the data connection when you're on WLAN | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | which means that in most cases, 3G draws 'nothing'. | 00:26 |
| cdahmedeh | what kind of video output options does it have? | 00:26 |
| cdahmedeh | and any usb hosting facilities? | 00:26 |
| hakkattakk | SpeedEvil: ok, thanks | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | composite out with the cable. | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | And It can do USB host with a hack. | 00:27 |
| hakkattakk | so 3G draws "nothing" even if it says 3g under the signalbar? (I see my wlan in dataconnection) | 00:28 |
| hakkattakk | *I´m connected to my wlan | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Generally. | 00:28 |
| hakkattakk | ok | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Some pathalogical states where it's swapping rapidly between towers can use a fair amount of power. | 00:28 |
| hakkattakk | I see, but I don´t think that happens | 00:29 |
| hakkattakk | I almost get one day with regular use | 00:29 |
| hakkattakk | but I use skype, maybe I should turn it off | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Skype uses a fair amount of power even on wifi, as it's constnatly active. | 00:30 |
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| hakkattakk | I just turned it off, hopefully I get one full day use now. Thanks SpeedEvil :D | 00:32 |
| hakkattakk | Good Night! | 00:34 |
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| cdahmedeh | alright thanks everyone, thanks alot Shadikka DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil and anyone else i forget | 00:59 |
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| Shadikka | mishighlight there. | 01:06 |
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| UberNeo | I am able to boot Maemo from uSD card .. but now whenever I am opening any application ..its throwing error of Low Memory .. | 02:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | What did you do? | 02:01 |
| NIN101 | hmm. | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I've no insight into the error. | 02:01 |
| UberNeo | make changes in /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 02:02 |
| UberNeo | changed /dev/mmcblk0 to /dev/mmcblk1 | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 02:02 |
| UberNeo | and my /dev/mmcblk1p2 already have the opt and user contents | 02:02 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders what it thinks of as 'memory'. | 02:02 | |
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| NIN101 | hmm, swap? | 02:03 |
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| UberNeo | when I am opening the camera shutter ,, it shows "not enough Memory to open Camera" | 02:03 |
| mgedmin | thumbnailer/indexer eating all the ram on first boot? | 02:03 |
| UberNeo | I have enough of memory everywhere .. | 02:04 |
| UberNeo | df -h -- http://pastebin.com/fX7JHs1K | 02:04 |
| mgedmin | I believe "Low Memory" refers to RAM, not disk space | 02:05 |
| * SpeedEvil vaguely remembers camera being fairly hard-coded at one point. | 02:05 | |
| UberNeo | this is my mount -- http://pastebin.com/GEA83Qp3 | 02:06 |
| UberNeo | Also I am able to open the Web Browser .. but a blank page .. when I open google or any other site | 02:07 |
| NIN101 | give the output of "free" | 02:07 |
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| NIN101 | +=please :-). | 02:07 |
| UberNeo | Free output - http://pastebin.com/qYJ5BAKQ | 02:08 |
| NIN101 | see | 02:08 |
| NIN101 | swap | 02:08 |
| UberNeo | but I have created the Swap filesystem on my uSD as /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 02:09 |
| UberNeo | not sure why is it not using teh SwapSpace | 02:09 |
| mgedmin | can you run swapon manually? | 02:10 |
| UberNeo | Nokia-N900:~# swapon -a swapon: /dev/mmcblk1p3: Invalid argument N | 02:10 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | swapon /dev/explicitly | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:11 |
| mgedmin | anything interesting in dmesg|tail? | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be hardcoded to not allow that as swap | 02:11 |
| UberNeo | Nokia-N900:~# swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 swapon: /dev/mmcblk1p3: Invalid argument | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | as there s also stuff to hard-unmount the SD | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | if the cover is opened | 02:11 |
| NIN101 | run mkswap over it maybe | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd wonder if it'd work with power-kernel | 02:11 |
| UberNeo | its already mkswapeed | 02:11 |
| UberNeo | my dmesg - http://pastebin.com/zhcU7Uhb | 02:12 |
| mgedmin | "Unable to find swap-space signature" | 02:13 |
| mgedmin | are you sure it's mkswapped? | 02:13 |
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| UberNeo | that just came .. when i ran swapon manually just now | 02:13 |
| UberNeo | cooolll | 02:14 |
| UberNeo | it worked | 02:14 |
| NIN101 | :-) | 02:14 |
| UberNeo | I again give mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 02:14 |
| UberNeo | and the manually swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 02:14 |
| NIN101 | now as you have a mix of MyDocs on EMMC and Home on uSD we can not just replace the device for the genfstab script | 02:14 |
| NIN101 | so go to rcS-late and find "swapon -a" | 02:15 |
| UberNeo | NIN101: thenn | 02:15 |
| NIN101 | remove that line and make swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 02:15 |
| UberNeo | okk | 02:15 |
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| mgedmin | but why would you need to do that on every boot? | 02:18 |
| mgedmin | who overrides the swap partition? | 02:18 |
| UberNeo | also even though I have made changes to rcS-late for mmcblk0 to mmcblk1 .. still /dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounting on /home/user/MyDocs instead of /dev/mmcblk0p0 | 02:20 |
| UberNeo | sorry instead of /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 02:21 |
| UberNeo | rcs-Late regenerates the /etc/fstab // is there any other place where the mounting gets changed | 02:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would be interesting to write this up for people with broken emmcs | 02:23 |
| UberNeo | since my EMMC is damaged physically ... | 02:23 |
| UberNeo | yepp | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 02:23 |
| UberNeo | i will write don SpeedEvil | 02:23 |
| UberNeo | but still my /home/user/MyDocs are using the EMMC | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | You want it to - or not? | 02:24 |
| UberNeo | no I dont want .. to rely on my EMMC .. it can be curropted anytime | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Is all the mmc broken? | 02:25 |
| UberNeo | not the whole | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | grep MyDocs /etc/* ? | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I think the mounting scripts are to do with USB | 02:25 |
| UberNeo | http://pastebin.com/TTgHWxcM | 02:26 |
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| NIN101 | it's documented in the IRC logs, though DocScrutinizer gave you some sed scripts. The idea behind that was that you shouldn't change too much in mounting stuff :-). But now... one way would be to go to /usr/lib/genfstab.awk | 02:26 |
| NIN101 | there you find "printf %s /home/user/MyDocs bla bla bla" | 02:27 |
| NIN101 | I think you could replace %s with /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 02:27 |
| NIN101 | if it also formatted as vfat. | 02:28 |
| UberNeo | /dev/mmcblk1p1 0+ 275 276- 2104745 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 02:28 |
| UberNeo | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 884864 884864 28315648 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 02:28 |
| NIN101 | ok. | 02:29 |
| UberNeo | almost same .. except the size | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | don't replace random stuff with mmcblk1*, just *swap* mmcblk1 and mmcblk0 | 02:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | 32G microsd have gotten lots cheaper | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ,,do the swap globally on rootfs | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there a severla places refering to mmcblk* and it's hard to catch all the indirect locations, so just swap the explicit strings *everywhere* | 02:32 |
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| UberNeo | okk .. lemme use ur script .. DocScrutinizer51 .. and see the results | 02:34 |
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| UberNeo | ok .. I have used the DocScrutinizer51 script to change all the occurances *everywhere* | 02:49 |
| UberNeo | Its working .. | 02:49 |
| UberNeo | but still /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs ..instead of /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's just as it should be - only minimal detail mmcblk0 is uSAD now | 02:51 |
| UberNeo | so u mean its not mounting EMMC now .. its is uSD on /home.user/MyDocs | 02:52 |
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| UberNeo | Also when I open the Photos application .. its gives the error "Operation Failed " and nothing in it .. | 02:56 |
| UberNeo | When I open Calendar .. Inetrnal Error :Application closed Calendar" | 02:58 |
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| UberNeo | also one point to note .. the CPU usage is consistently over 50% all the time ... | 03:03 |
| UberNeo | dbus-daemon are the culprits | 03:03 |
| UberNeo | 996 1 user S < 1392 0.5 7.9 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session | 03:04 |
| UberNeo | 769 1 messageb S < 1940 0.7 6.5 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork | 03:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | dbus-listen or something | 03:16 |
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| UberNeo | dbus-listen ? | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | To find out what the messages are | 03:18 |
| UberNeo | dont have dbus-listen | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | dbus-monitor | 03:19 |
| UberNeo | its huge text | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tracker | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw I'm not Merlin. I just suggested a way I think is the most simple one to accomplish that sap of eMMC and uSD. I'm eve surprised it worked this far, and I'd never think there are no additional problems arising anywhere with this ultrasimple global edit | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | swap* | 03:22 |
| NIN101 | UberNeo: stupid quesiton, but did you reboot after the global swap? | 03:22 |
| UberNeo | yes already twice | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - global swap - the system was in stock state first? | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Swapping some back won't work | 03:23 |
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| UberNeo | . | 03:29 |
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| NIN101 | UberNeo: Could you paste the output of mount again? | 03:30 |
| UberNeo | also one thing to notice that .. I am able to click n save the pictures at location "/media/mmc1/DCIM" which is mounted on "/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1" | 03:30 |
| UberNeo | mount - http://pastebin.com/GP7zU3ZC | 03:30 |
| NIN101 | So nothing changed, just like before. UberNeo: Can you paste /etc/event.d/rcS-late? | 03:34 |
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| UberNeo | http://pastebin.com/RauaFvWz -- /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 03:36 |
| NIN101 | UberNeo: cat /etc/fstab | grep MyDocs | 03:37 |
| UberNeo | . | 03:38 |
| UberNeo | /dev/mmcblk1p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 0 | 03:38 |
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| NIN101 | UberNeo: thx | 03:39 |
| NIN101 | fstab apparently plays no role for MyDocs. | 03:40 |
| UberNeo | NIN101: then where is it getting mounted | 03:40 |
| NIN101 | /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 03:41 |
| UberNeo | also not able to play any Youtube Video .. i can open it but no flash | 03:41 |
| UberNeo | so any changes in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 03:42 |
| NIN101 | one "hacky" way to stop mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 would be to insert something like if [ "$PDEV" = "/dev/mmcblk0p1" ] ; then exit fi | 03:43 |
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| NIN101 | add a ; after the exit if you wanna do this. | 03:44 |
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| UberNeo | line 40 right | 03:45 |
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| NIN101 | UberNeo: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7bWbTx5i something like this | 03:47 |
| NIN101 | argh | 03:47 |
| NIN101 | 0p1, not 1p1 | 03:47 |
| UberNeo | so i shud just add if [ "$PDEV" = "/dev/mmcblk0p1" ] ; then exit fi at the top | 03:48 |
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| NIN101 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7PX77HsX find "MP=$2" (it's somewhere at the top) and then add the "if ..." i pasted. | 03:49 |
| UberNeo | new mount after the reboot -- http://pastebin.com/NMp3jjgg | 03:52 |
| NIN101 | as expected | 03:53 |
| UberNeo | thr is no /dev/mmcblk0p1 now | 03:53 |
| UberNeo | but "/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1" it shud be "/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /home/user/MyDocs" | 03:53 |
| NIN101 | now you only need a script which mounts mmcblk1p1 to /home/user/MyDocs | 03:54 |
| NIN101 | we also must stop mmcblk1p1 from mounting to /media/mmc1 | 03:55 |
| NIN101 | (so it would look like this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yMKeiyiR) | 03:56 |
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| UberNeo | more changes -- | 04:00 |
| UberNeo | http://pastebin.com/vNsyBDvx | 04:00 |
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| NIN101 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XeXV3TEy and this in /etc/event.d/realmydocs should mount the right MyDocs | 04:00 |
| UberNeo | rebooted .. and here is the mount :) http://pastebin.com/hCmnG87V | 04:01 |
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| UberNeo | NIN101: its worked :) | 04:07 |
| UberNeo | but still few issues .. still not able to open Calendar .. | 04:08 |
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| UberNeo | /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session -- this taking max cpu % | 04:08 |
| UberNeo | Photos application showing "Operation Failed" | 04:09 |
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| NIN101 | UberNeo: after you moved the home device location to sd, you booted with a completely empty home, you didn't copy the hidden folders of your old emmc home to the new one, right? | 04:23 |
| UberNeo | right .. | 04:24 |
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| NIN101 | hm | 04:25 |
| UberNeo | havent copied the Hidden folders | 04:25 |
| UberNeo | i had just used cp -r /home/user/MyDocs /mnt/p1 | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It treats the hidden folders as links somehow | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | The names of the directories are localised | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cp -a ! | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also think about the following: if there's no uSD, the eMMC gets detected by kernel as mmcblk0. *IF* there _is_ a uSD, this uSD will get detected by kernel as mmcblk0 and eMMC gets detected as mmcblk1. *Someting* later on renames mmcblk1-eMMC to mmcblk0, and mmcblk0-uSD to mmcblk1. Find this *something* and comment it out | 04:34 |
| UberNeo | thats the reason ..in dmesg - mmcblk0: mmc0:85ee SD08G 7.42 GiB | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | whole swap done (except cp -a of course) by a single char # | 04:36 |
| UberNeo | mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB | 04:36 |
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| NIN101 | this "something" sounds like udev rules to me. | 04:40 |
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| NIN101 | /etc/udev/rules.d/92-n770.rules /lib/udev/mmc_id I think I found it. | 04:42 |
| UberNeo | NIN101: http://pastebin.com/F5SrpwGe | 04:43 |
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| NIN101 | what do you want to do with it? You kinda swapped in a very different way by modifing some stuff, so it doesn't matter anymore atm. | 04:50 |
| UberNeo | I ahve reversed all the changes and have copied back as cp -a .. now making all the changes again .. | 04:51 |
| NIN101 | hm, well UberNeo, good luck :-). I need some sleep... Good night folks. | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: in /lib/udev/mmc_id change >>echo "SLOT_NUM=0"<< 0 to 1, and a few lines below change 1 to 0 | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks nin101 for pointing to /etc/udev/rules.d/92-n770 | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: no other edits should be needed, just what I suggested 2 line sabove | 05:14 |
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| UberNeo | changed .. rebooting now | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | this shall make "internal" mmcblk1 and "external" mmcblk0 | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the whole rest of system will happily use mcblk0* and access uSD under that name | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I hope | 05:16 |
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| UberNeo | from dmesg | 05:17 |
| UberNeo | mmcblk0: mmc0:85ee SD08G 7.42 GiB | 05:17 |
| UberNeo | mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB | 05:17 |
| UberNeo | but it solved the issue .. of Calendar and Photos application | 05:18 |
| UberNeo | :) | 05:18 |
| UberNeo | Also Youtube Videos are also playing now | 05:19 |
| UberNeo | also no dbus-daemon stuff which was eating teh cpu before | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Gret! | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | a | 05:20 |
| UberNeo | I think .. this is it | 05:20 |
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| UberNeo | thanks a lot DocScrutinizer NIN101 and SpeedEvil .. thanks a lot | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, give a hacker a real challange ;-D | 05:21 |
| UberNeo | my N900 is alive again .. taking the breaths normally :) | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Writing this up would be a great service! | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | As several people have hit this issue. | 05:21 |
| UberNeo | sure SpeedEvil .. i will write doen all the issues faced and the final solution | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:22 |
| UberNeo | one more thing .. now the Swap Space is also getting used .. previouly .. it was there but not getting used | 05:23 |
| UberNeo | http://pastebin.com/XjN3iTnq ... free output | 05:24 |
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| Macer | lol! | 05:29 |
| Macer | http://i44.tinypic.com/244pmih.jpg | 05:30 |
| Macer | politics! | 05:30 |
| Macer | at its best | 05:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umount /media/mmc1; sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 <<FOO; blaVFAT opton option; blablaext3 option; blablablaSWAP option; FOO; echo please open and close back cover; mkswap mmcblk1p3; mkfs.ext3 mmcblk1p2; mkfs.vfat mmcblk1p1; mount mmcblk1p2 /mnt/foohome; umount MyDocs; cp -a /home /mnt/foohome; sed -i 's/SLOT_NUM=0/SLOT_NUM=@/; s/SLOT_NUM=1/SLOT_NUM=0/; s/SLOT_NUM=@/SLOT_NUM=1/' /lib/udev/mmc_id | 05:31 |
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| Almighty1atmeal | silly question, but how do i resize a desktop applet in diablo? | 05:42 |
| Almighty1atmeal | my openvpn applet is too narrow for me to tell it to connect and i can't seem to grab on to that arrow in the lower right corner of the applet window | 05:42 |
| Almighty1atmeal | ah, i disabled and re-enabled the applet and it auto resized | 05:43 |
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| Almighty1atmeal | erm, the applet says connected but the server doesn't see the active connection and ifconfig shows no tunnel interface so i can't verify IP | 05:45 |
| Almighty1atmeal | ah, limitations of the applet, seems it didn't like tls authentication. silliness. | 05:50 |
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| jonwil | anyone happen to know where the nokia hands startup animation comes from? | 06:15 |
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| ShadowJK | it's an .mp4 somewhere | 06:18 |
| UberNeo | jonwil: /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/Nokia_N900.mp4 | 06:21 |
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| jonwil | nope its not that | 06:24 |
| jonwil | nokia_n900.mp4 is a promo video for the N900 | 06:26 |
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| jonwil | or something of that nature | 06:26 |
| jonwil | so the hands animation is not a .mp4 | 06:26 |
| ShadowJK | /usr/share/hildon-welcom/media/Hands-v32-h264.avi | 06:27 |
| jonwil | ok, that makes more sense | 06:27 |
| jonwil | ok, so its played by hildon-welcome then | 06:28 |
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| jonwil | and from the looks of it, turning it off seems easy enough should I decide to do that. Or making it not play noise if I want to go that route :) | 06:35 |
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| jonwil | what annoys me about the microb browser is that if you want to embed it in your program you are told to just link to the engine directly (and pull it into your app) and there is no real way to actually talk to the running browserd instance and do what the maemo browser, conversations app and other things do | 06:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: see ~jr-tools | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 06:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 06:50 |
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| jonwil | what is that jr-tools reference for? The startup-anmination-changing? | 07:09 |
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| jonwil | I must say, hacking the N900 is much easier than hacking my previous Motorola Z6 (also linux based) | 07:37 |
| wmarone_ | openezx? | 07:40 |
| jonwil | Motorola MAGX actually | 07:40 |
| wmarone_ | ah yeah, when motorola really got into the anti-hacking thing | 07:40 |
| * wmarone_ played around with a ming | 07:41 | |
| wmarone_ | ls | 07:41 |
| jonwil | The root filesystem, bootloader and kernel and stuff were all digitally signed | 07:42 |
| jonwil | the "flex" (as Motorola calls it) which holds ringtones, wallpapers and other stuff like that was not | 07:43 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 07:43 |
| jonwil | The early hacks involved modifying files on that "flex" to get telnet and ftp | 07:43 |
| wmarone_ | that's one reason I avoid motorola devices like the plague, they've always been looking for ways to cripple the device | 07:43 |
| jonwil | Then later some guy found a hole in the bootloader | 07:43 |
| LaoLang_cool | what about hacking on webos | 07:43 |
| jonwil | the hardware in the z6 is pathetic too | 07:44 |
| jonwil | It doesnt have WiFi OR 3G | 07:44 |
| jonwil | or GPS | 07:44 |
| jonwil | these days it would probably be labeled a "dumbphone" :P | 07:44 |
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| jonwil | However, it does have one thing the N900 does not, the Z6 supports Cell Broadcast SMS :P | 07:45 |
| jonwil | and I used it to verify what the actual tower names for my local towers were | 07:45 |
| jonwil | when originally getting the early cell broadcast work going | 07:45 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, my phone has been switching between 3 different towers (on 2G) and it hasnt even moved | 07:58 |
| jonwil | I see 3 different cell IDs in my log | 07:58 |
| dm8tbr | that's pretty normal | 07:59 |
| jonwil | even on 2G? | 07:59 |
| dm8tbr | on 3G you wouldn't even know | 08:00 |
| dm8tbr | and yes, I've seen exactly that when I was once looking at network topologies in germany | 08:00 |
| dm8tbr | O2 uses GK coordinates sent on a CB channel to tell the handset if it is in certain 'home' or 'city' areas with lower minute pricing. the sim compares with radius values stored and shows a message | 08:02 |
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| jonwil | and now I go out and test with what should be the final run of the cell broadcast SMS detection and logging code (including code to determine when specific data points like the cell ID and network status are now invalid and need to be thrown away) | 08:21 |
| jonwil | these logs should show if I get any bogus readings | 08:21 |
| jonwil | such as getting an incoming cell broadcast on a cell different to what the last "cell ID change" message printed | 08:21 |
| jonwil | This whole cell broadcast SMS thing is extremely fun :) | 08:22 |
| jonwil | just need to make a shoppping list before I go :) | 08:23 |
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| ham5 | havent kept up with the software, has a call blocker been made to block unidentified calls ? callblocker was being developed I just seen it hasent been updated in a long time ... | 10:07 |
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| auenf | http://channelnine.ninemsn.com.au/thecelebrityapprentice/ | 10:31 |
| auenf | so many appearances of n9 in this show | 10:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | there was supposedly a show which is poewred by nokia (I suppose you could say funded in layman's terms) and telechoice in .au I can't remember the show but it was some music tv show where I think they handed out N9 and another nokia but I can't remember the model | 10:43 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm maybe next time I can uploaded a scanned image of the telechoice brochure if you want to see the ads in .au :þ | 10:44 |
| psycho_oreos | well in regards to N9 that is anyway | 10:44 |
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| auenf | i'm sure i've got a telechoice cattledog here somewhere | 10:45 |
| psycho_oreos | eh, mine's downstairs in rumpus but I cbf getting it now | 10:46 |
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| memre | hi there | 11:31 |
| memre | i have a problem with scratchbox2 | 11:31 |
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| ErwinJunge | memre: Could you be more specific? | 11:39 |
| memre | yes | 11:40 |
| memre | i am trying to use sbrsh but couldn't understand the problem | 11:40 |
| memre | wait, I will paste the error log | 11:41 |
| memre | my sb2-init command: sb2-init -sn -c sbrsh -r 192.168.4.77 -l 192.168.4.217 parm /opt/toolchain/armel/bin/arm-pardus-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 11:41 |
| memre | 2011-10-31 11:42:44.453 (WARNING) bash[24390] WARNING: Executing binary with bogus working directory (/tmp) because sbrsh can only see /parm/ and /root$ | 11:43 |
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| memre | 2011-10-31 11:42:44.453 (ERROR) bash[24390] exec(./bin/ls) failed, internal configuration error: LD_LIBRARY_PATH and/or LD_PRELOAD were not set by exec mapping logic | 11:43 |
| memre | # exit 126 (126) | 11:43 |
| memre | and that is the error. | 11:43 |
| memre | I watched the network traffic, there is no transmission between host and by build machine | 11:44 |
| memre | sb2 version: 2.1 | 11:45 |
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| memre | any ideas? | 11:48 |
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| jonwil | wow, my logging worked perfectly | 12:52 |
| jonwil | I learned a few things about the Optus network in the process :) | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:53 |
| jonwil | I passed through 54 different cells and picked up 23 unique cell broadcast names | 12:53 |
| jonwil | including one cell that was squawking an empty tower name | 12:54 |
| jonwil | including at least one tower names that matched a suburb far away from where I was | 12:54 |
| jonwil | It told me I was in Claremont when I was nowhere near Claremont at any point during the day :) | 12:55 |
| * NIN101 just read backlog and is glad to see that the guy succeeded in swapping from EMMC to SD. | 12:56 | |
| jonwil | I also found a bunch of towers that seemed to squawk no tower name at all | 12:56 |
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| jonwil | I must have been the only person on the entire train who was actually GLAD that my phone dropped out when we passed through the somewhat long tunnel :) | 12:58 |
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| jonwil | I always know that if I ride that train, I am guaranteed to loose service which is perfect for testing :) | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: yeah, it it was really simple. In the end all my solutions tend to be extremely simple | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: thanks for pointing at udev rule :-D | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<dm8tbr> O2 uses GK coordinates) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 13:35 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: yep, I'm fairly familiar with their stuff :) | 13:38 |
| jonwil | I am happy with the information the N900 is giving me for cells :) | 13:38 |
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| dm8tbr | the fun bit was that you could even IIRC tell the 3 sectors apart as the antenna positions reported for each were slightly moved toward the MT, away from the BTS | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: would you by any chance have a list of actually used CBchannels for German 4 carriers? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is that actually as short as: 50, 211 | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | durrrrr, haven't used that in ages :( | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | I remember that yearrrrs ago T-mogelpackung had a load of channels listed | 13:41 |
| dm8tbr | but as they couldn't bill for CB usage... | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, seem to recall same | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | traffic message might still be in use | 13:41 |
| dm8tbr | last time i seriously looked at this was still last millenium... | 13:42 |
| dm8tbr | when messaging someone over ICQ and telling them you were doing 160km/h on the motorway was still a serious WTF moment | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D - yeah same here | 13:46 |
| dm8tbr | now I feel old :( | 13:46 |
| jonwil | My network doesn't send anything except ch50 | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | playing with GK wasn't much fun when you had to use a laptop to carry it with you to read out the 6210 | 13:47 |
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| NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: yw. and it was cool idea :-). | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | (SMSCB) gave me 2 times a WTF moment - first time when I noticed enabling SMSCB doubled the power consumption of the Nokia 6210, and another one when I learnt N900 cmt has SMSCB always enabled | 13:52 |
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| iluminator101 | hi my n900 keeps saying memory inaccessible unable to save, how can i fix this | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: (OT) are you interested in ALSA/audio a lil bit? Another example of an extremely simple solution that took very long to find and get it right: my libalsahookexec.so - allows to define a ALSA plugin that will execute arbitrary stuff on your standard alsa based sound app opening resp closing the audio device | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g. your arbitrary SIP client opening ringtone audio device for playing the ringtone, this plugin can start the vibrator, mute your mp3 player, whatever you want and can do via cmdline | 14:28 |
| NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: I am not that interested in ALSA and audio. But this sounds pretty useful. | 14:29 |
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| NIN101 | afk, lunch. | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: the best detail in it: if your cmdline will return an error (I.E. like /bin/false) then opening the audio device with libalsaexechook fails for the audio app. And the pcm_open() call blocks until the cmdline cmd actually returns (obviously it has to, otherwise the prev thing depending on return code wouldn't work) | 14:36 |
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| iluminator101 | DocScrutinizer, you are running the titan kernel? | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sort of, on my test device | 14:44 |
| RST38bis | Doc: You, overclocking? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? ME?? | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're kidding | 14:46 |
| iluminator101 | bbl | 14:47 |
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| RST38bis | Why titan kernel then? | 14:49 |
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| RST38bis | any other advantages? | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | powerkernel, hostmode | 14:56 |
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| RST38bis | ah | 14:57 |
| FIQ|n900 | RST38bis, you did the xchat port? | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're aware that hostmode is implemented in kernel, and h-e-n GUI is just a extremely simple interface to sysfs, are you? | 14:58 |
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| LaoLang_cool | anyone interested in porting weechat onto n900? www.weechat.org | 15:05 |
| RST38bis | FIQ: Yes, what about it? | 15:05 |
| RST38bis | Doc: Yeah | 15:06 |
| RST38bis | Doc: Was just surprised by you touching the titan stuff, widely dubbed satan's spawn | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | power kernel (aka titan's kernel) is poorly supported regarding git integration etc, and lately seen some "patches" that clearly don't match the quality requirements for kernel stuff (poor or broken concept, untested, no review, no concept about upstream policy etc). But basically PK never was satan's spawn, it's what some people do with it that for sure is qualifying for that tag though | 15:12 |
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| NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: cool stuff. It can also make someone rethink the need of pulseaudio for muting other applications... | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: :-D that's actually been the purpose of the whole exercise - avoid using evil PA | 15:21 |
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| crashanddie | NIN101, I think DocScrutinizer is actually recognised by some as the incarnation of Satan himself by a number of Nokians. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course I had to back up this simple libalsaexechook by a comprehensive concept on how to handle stuff that usually is making developers pick PA | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unlike PA my ACI (that'S what I called it) concept is based on plain ALSA for audio processing, and dbus and a central arbiter/server for the mixer setup stuff | 15:24 |
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| NIN101 | crashanddie: yeah, possibly :-). | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ALSA has virtual usecase-centric devices, even per-app devices each with its own volume control, has mixing since the days PA wasn't even existing | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ACI adds to that a comprehensive concept of resource handling/sharing | 15:27 |
| RST38bis | Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/windows-8-desktop-interface-kills-aero-for-metro-gets-with-the/ (yes, it got even uglier) | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | (btw you can pick whatever you want for meaning of ACI: ALSA/Audio_concept_improved, Advanced/audio_control_interface...) | 15:30 |
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| kerio | hm, is there a dbus script to check the current traffic monitor stats? | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | netstory | 15:50 |
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| kerio | what's that? | 15:50 |
| kerio | i'm in a situation where i can't really download more software | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a graph thingy | 15:50 |
| kerio | i'm 1) with a veeeeeeeeeery limited data cap, 2) on PR1.2 | 15:50 |
| flux | maybe you could download through pc? | 15:51 |
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| flux | apt-get install at least works with usbnet | 15:51 |
| kerio | no, i wanted something so i can monitor the data i'm using right now *on the pc* | 15:51 |
| kerio | don't you think i would use the real connection if i had one? | 15:51 |
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| flux | well I was thinking you wanted to monitor the 3G data consumption of your phone? | 15:52 |
| kerio | yeah | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/netstory/0.1.4-1/ | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | netstory is 10k | 15:52 |
| flux | and that's the only connection you have? | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | works well | 15:52 |
| kerio | because i'm using it through mobilehotspot | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | for PC transfer too | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Also. | 15:52 |
| kerio | flux: why else would i care? when i'm actively using the phone i can just check the widget on the screen | 15:52 |
| kerio | i just wanted something i can call through ssh so i don't have to walk to the phone that's near the window | 15:53 |
| flux | kerio, my point was that perhaps you can try out new software on the phone without wasting your data quota | 15:53 |
| flux | of course, it wouldn't be the final solution | 15:53 |
| joga | damn...ran out of battery on n900, I've been wondering if it's a specified behavior to *not* turn on after you've plugged it in an wall socket to charge and let it be there for a few mins before even trying to boot it up | 15:54 |
| kerio | joga: if the battery is *really* out of juice, it'll go into emergency charging | 15:55 |
| kerio | which is designed to charge really slowly to bring the battery to a state where you can boot in the real charging mode | 15:55 |
| joga | I press power, it lights up the led in rising white, then show's a dim or not-dim nokia logo, then just sleeps back | 15:55 |
| kerio | because the n900's charging sucks balls :< | 15:55 |
| kerio | oh, the real charging mode | 15:55 |
| kerio | yeah, it's designed to be like that | 15:55 |
| joga | ok so even though it has abundant energy available, it simply does not do that because x? | 15:56 |
| joga | ok :) | 15:56 |
| joga | (that's not news really, but right now I'm waiting for a call in half an hour that I can't miss) | 15:56 |
| flux | maybe it's not a good idea to write to flash when you are not guaranteed to have energy | 15:56 |
| flux | which it would inevitable do if it were booted to the OS | 15:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | If it's going off again - it's booted to linux. | 15:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's just in low-power mode, until the battery rises over threshold. | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Leave it a few more min. | 15:58 |
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| kerio | joga: the n900 isn't really a phone for phone calls | 15:59 |
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| joga | SpeedEvil yeh, no prob. I just get the feeling many users might find this a reason to throw it out the window | 15:59 |
| kerio | joga: indeed | 16:00 |
| kerio | it's not a phone for many users :) | 16:00 |
| joga | every other nokia phone I've had has the semantics like "if the charger is plugged in -> you can use it) | 16:00 |
| joga | s/)/"/ | 16:00 |
| infobot | joga meant: every other nokia phone I've had has the semantics like "if the charger is plugged in -> you can use it" | 16:00 |
| kerio | joga: well, you still can | 16:00 |
| kerio | you just have to wait a bit :) | 16:01 |
| kerio | and not really, if you drain the battery a lot you get nothing, in most phones | 16:01 |
| kerio | even old-school nokia phones | 16:01 |
| joga | never had a problem with that, myself | 16:01 |
| joga | plug it in, it'll work, always | 16:01 |
| kerio | but even the fastcharger doesn't provide enough juice to actually run everything at max | 16:01 |
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| joga | at least can't remember any exception besides n900 but my memory is probably not 100% accurate ;) | 16:02 |
| kerio | the fastcharger provides 1.1A, the cellmo requires peaks of 2A iirc | 16:02 |
| kerio | i had to stop using a crappy second battery i had because the phone part just died after a bit | 16:02 |
| kerio | for lack of current | 16:03 |
| freemangordon | ~seen pali | 16:04 |
| infobot | pali <~quassel@rohar.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 1h 55m 35s ago, saying: 'if we update/create new wrapper for that it is possible'. | 16:04 |
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| joga | kerio, still it's highly irritating that I get the animated circles before the lock code prompt and then it just shuts down :) | 16:11 |
| joga | "emergency" my ass | 16:11 |
| joga | ;) | 16:11 |
| joga | but I can live with that, it's just that the behavior is somewhat different than you'd expect if you think like "if I give it a charger it'll work" | 16:12 |
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| joga | the last time I had that I think I just pulled it off the charger, booted it up and then continued charging, but I might've just been lucky | 16:13 |
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| joga | lol, did that now too, worked fine, now it booted up | 16:15 |
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| joga | either I'm really good with timing or it just refuses to boot up even if it can | 16:15 |
| kerio | idk, i haven't charged it through the usb for more than a year now | 16:17 |
| joga | I'm charging it straight from wall scoket | 16:17 |
| joga | *socket | 16:17 |
| joga | shouldn't be a problem with getting current | 16:17 |
| kerio | joga: i doubt it - there's probably a transformer between your n900 and the wall socket :) | 16:18 |
| joga | (not that I've actually checked what the ratings say on it) | 16:18 |
| kerio | joga: are you using the official nokia one? | 16:18 |
| joga | kerio, heh well, yeah I'll grant you that ;) | 16:18 |
| joga | the official one, shipped with the phone | 16:18 |
| kerio | or at least something that actually follows the usb charger protocol? | 16:18 |
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| joga | well, it's nokia branded and works better than usb charging, that's for sure, but I just checked very quickly and it didn't seem to have any ratings mentioned | 16:22 |
| joga | but I just kinda took it off the socket for a couple of seconds and looked around it and saw nothing relevant, but some of the text wasn't very easily readable so I just might've missed ti | 16:23 |
| joga | *it | 16:23 |
| kerio | what the fuck | 16:24 |
| kerio | my n900 doesn't turn its screen on anymore | 16:24 |
| kerio | it's like... dead | 16:24 |
| kerio | except i'm still connected through it to the internet | 16:24 |
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| kerio | how can i forcibly turn the screen on? | 16:25 |
| joga | hmm... | 16:25 |
| joga | tried power button press? | 16:25 |
| kerio | i don't want to turn it off! | 16:25 |
| kerio | i'd lose my internets! | 16:25 |
| joga | just click it, not hold | 16:25 |
| kerio | yeah, doesn't work | 16:25 |
| kerio | :| | 16:25 |
| kerio | it's like it's suffering from autism | 16:25 |
| joga | sometimes with problematic software (full screen console emulators or such), I've found the power button to be the only solution besides ssh | 16:26 |
| joga | keyboard slide? guess you tried that already.. | 16:26 |
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| kerio | yeah, it's still not answering :| | 16:26 |
| kerio | wtf is sgx_misr? | 16:26 |
| joga | My device sometimes locks up on heavy graphics use | 16:27 |
| joga | There's a small driver issue with sgx_misr, in that when you have too many programs (or just one or two) updating the screen too often it can get stuck in a resource staved state and lock up. This happens mainly with very resource intense programs (like GPS/nav or high frame-rate games). There's a script that can monitor it in the background and reset the device if it starts to lock up. | 16:27 |
| joga | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52595 | 16:27 |
| kerio | but i don't want to reset my n900 ;_; | 16:28 |
| joga | maybe the script linked in the thread has some commands you might try (didn't check) | 16:28 |
| kerio | meh, i'll just reboot | 16:29 |
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| kerio | alright, i'm back | 16:43 |
| kerio | had to switch batteries too :< | 16:44 |
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| vdv_ | hi all | 17:34 |
| vdv_ | is it possible to install and use maemo sdk on slackware? | 17:34 |
| vdv_ | or it's only for debian based distros? | 17:34 |
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| kerio | lol, my battery ran out *again* | 17:45 |
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| kerio | i don't even | 17:49 |
| kerio | my ripoff battery discharged faster than the charger could charge the original one | 17:49 |
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| Michelle__ | I borrwed my brother | 19:26 |
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| Michelle__ | I borrowed my brother's Nokia N900. When I plug in the USB, it asks me if i want to format the drive instead of just reading the contents. How do i fix this? If I choose to format the drive, won't it destroy the phone? | 19:28 |
| nid0 | 1) no 2) close the popup without formatting it | 19:31 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, ping | 19:51 |
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| luke-jr | Michelle__: it won't destroy the N900 (which is a computer, not a phone), but it WILL erase personal files | 19:59 |
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| mr_jrt | Old one again. My intermittent debugging issues with Qt Creator have resurfaced. It just randomly seems to time out loading libraries. I get a successful run maybe every 30+ or so attempts. Maybe. Any one else have/had this issue? | 22:42 |
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| x29a | mr_jrt: what exactly are you doing? | 23:16 |
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| mr_jrt | Qt Creator project, remote debugging on the N900 over USB. | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 23:22 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: pong | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Was complaining at achipa about how it doesn't seem possible to write a new Qt app for Fremantle and he's pointed out that libqtm-12 isn't supposed to be in Extras (or something) | 23:23 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Hmmm | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: http://twitter.com/#!/achipa/status/131117693574193153 | 23:24 |
| x29a | mr_jrt: im doing the same but over wifi, but shouldnt matter, whats the problem? | 23:25 |
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| x29a | i rarely get a UTFS timeout | 23:26 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I guess it needs to be removed from Extras then. | 23:27 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: He also mentioned something about dependent packages being promoted. | 23:29 |
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| mr_jrt | x29a: Just seems to...stop. I have a breakpoint set on the first line that always hits...but beyond there all bets are off. | 23:30 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm sure there is a bug there. | 23:30 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I've poked him | 23:30 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I guess we should assume that once you got something into testing, you can expect it to show up in extras at some point. | 23:30 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I don't remember anymore why he wanted it in testing, but not extras :) | 23:31 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Seems reasonable to me. | 23:31 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Having got something rejected from Nokia Store QA, I flashed my N900 with stock PR1.3. Qt's a mess. | 23:31 |
| mr_jrt | x29a: TBH, it's driven me to give up on the debugger and just trace everything manually....but I have a segfault somewhere and I could do with some stepping to nail it. | 23:31 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: libqtm-11 won't install; libqtm-12 will install but segfaults. | 23:31 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Ouch. | 23:31 |
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| x29a | Jaffa: what device are you on? n900? | 23:34 |
| x29a | i used the qtm 1.2.1 from git (compiled with maemo 5 sdk) and it works much better than 1.1 (too little features) or 1.2 (too instable). some discussion on new "official" builds can be found here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68123&page=7 | 23:36 |
| x29a | mr_jrt: weird, works fine for me, are you on the newester qt creator/qt sdk tools? | 23:36 |
| mr_jrt | x29a: yep 2.3.1? - phew...I just managed to get to my segfault :) | 23:40 |
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| achipa | good evening everyone | 23:44 |
| Jaffa | achipa: 'lo :) | 23:44 |
| achipa | sooo, we go medieval on the apps depending on libqtm-1* in extras ? | 23:45 |
| x29a | hi achipa =) | 23:45 |
| x29a | mr_jrt: "Built on Sep 21 2011 at 11:16:49" i assume. good for you | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | achipa: If you point to a good example, I'll see if it works on fresh clean stock PR1.3 | 23:46 |
| achipa | at this point I guess nothing works | 23:46 |
| achipa | the question is should I try to salvage some of those apps or not | 23:46 |
| mr_jrt | x29a: Sep 21 2011 at 10:51:01 :) | 23:47 |
| x29a | achipa: did you get your sdk back up and running? | 23:48 |
| achipa | and the other, should I do it the right way and ditch all the fancy packaging and build one giant qtm package, as that's the only one that can work even semi-decently with the app-manager | 23:48 |
| x29a | mr_jrt: but you didnt find the problem for debugging yet, right? | 23:48 |
| achipa | x29a: no, but here's the perfect motivation, right ? :) | 23:48 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Right. qmltube is in Extras. Let's see if it works. | 23:49 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, lots of red on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/qmltube/1.1.1/ | 23:49 |
| x29a | achipa: rrriiiiight! | 23:49 |
| achipa | Jaffa: I guess that's some bork on the frontend side | 23:49 |
| achipa | I'm pretty sure Qt *is* there :) | 23:50 |
| Jaffa | achipa: One mega package would seem easier, especially since QML doesn't get the auto shdepends | 23:50 |
| achipa | yes, and that can be incremental | 23:51 |
| achipa | so no cross-dependency issue | 23:51 |
| achipa | (i.e. what is app want modules A and B with 1.1.2 and another wants A and C with 1.1.3) | 23:51 |
| Jaffa | My wireless is FUBAR | 23:51 |
| achipa | (which is coincidentally also why I rant about the unfeasibility of self-maintained repos) | 23:51 |
| achipa | hey, I have 4 computers at hand, none of which can actually compile anything | 23:52 |
| achipa | so, apparently mbarcode-plugin-qrcode triggered the avalanche... | 23:54 |
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| achipa | Jaffa: sadly, I don't know what to do with existing installs. Even if I roll to a megapackage, people would not be able to switch to it without a reinstall | 23:57 |
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