IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-10-31

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cdahmedehhello, i'm interested in purchasing a nokia n900, i have a few questions about it:00:13
cdahmedeh1. is there a proper gps antenna, or it is only a-gps?00:14
cdahmedehhow's the battery life?00:14
SpeedEvilUp to a week, logged into wifi, and GSM, otherwise idle.00:14
SpeedEvilAs low as 4h if you've got skype going in the background.00:15
DocScrutinizeryou'll however never see that00:15
cdahmedehalright makes sense00:15
cdahmedehuhm.. where should i purchase from (canada here), is ebay a good place for them?00:15
SpeedEvilIn fairly heavy use - several hours mp3, some web, ..., I get almost a couple of days.00:15
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DocScrutinizerwithout 3G00:16
SpeedEvilyes, not much 3g. If you're doing anything that uses 3G data in the background, it gets painful.00:16
DocScrutinizerwell, without any app doing data over 3G00:17
cdahmedehwell 3g can be disable right?00:17
DocScrutinizer2G is a lil bit beter00:17
cdahmedehperfect, the phone sounds perfect for me, i was looking for a phone where i can do some hacking on it00:17
DocScrutinizerdata over GSM is a power hog always00:17
cdahmedehsounds like it's some debian-based distro00:17
DocScrutinizerpretty much a standard linux system00:18
ShadowJKbut some differences that you don't see in any linux distro tat can bite you00:18
cdahmedehalright, any recommended online stores to buy it from? (i'm from canada)00:18
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ShadowJKif you treat it like a pure debian system, hacking on the base system00:19
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ShadowJKI suspect you wont find any new anymore00:20
cdahmedehthere's a few new ones on ebay i think00:20
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cdahmedehlike i like writing my own software, and i always wanted some embedded system to play with00:21
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cdahmedehthe n900 sounds like a practical choice00:21
DocScrutinizeryou'll love it00:22
ShadowJKhint: if the listing claims dual-sim or java, it's probably something lika a "NOKLA N900" and not nokia ;)00:22
cdahmedehyes the famous chinese phones (-:00:25
hakkattakkis it possible to turn off 3G when the phone is locked? And when I have a Wlan-connection?00:25
SpeedEvilIt doesn't use the data connection when you're on WLAN00:26
SpeedEvilwhich means that in most cases, 3G draws 'nothing'.00:26
cdahmedehwhat kind of video output options does it have?00:26
cdahmedehand any usb hosting facilities?00:26
hakkattakkSpeedEvil: ok, thanks00:26
SpeedEvilcomposite out with the cable.00:27
SpeedEvilAnd It can do USB host with a hack.00:27
hakkattakkso 3G draws "nothing" even if it says 3g under the signalbar? (I see my wlan in dataconnection)00:28
hakkattakk*I´m connected to my wlan00:28
SpeedEvilSome pathalogical states where it's swapping rapidly between towers can use a fair amount of power.00:28
hakkattakkI see, but I don´t think that happens00:29
hakkattakkI almost get one day with regular use00:29
hakkattakkbut I use skype, maybe I should turn it off00:29
SpeedEvilSkype uses a fair amount of power even on wifi, as it's constnatly active.00:30
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hakkattakkI just turned it off, hopefully I get one full day use now. Thanks SpeedEvil :D00:32
hakkattakkGood Night!00:34
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cdahmedehalright thanks everyone, thanks alot Shadikka DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil and anyone else i forget00:59
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Shadikkamishighlight there.01:06
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UberNeoI am able to boot Maemo from uSD card .. but now whenever I am opening any application ..its throwing error of Low Memory ..02:00
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SpeedEvilWhat did you do?02:01
SpeedEvilThough I've no insight into the error.02:01
UberNeomake changes in /etc/event.d/rcS-late02:02
UberNeochanged /dev/mmcblk0 to /dev/mmcblk102:02
UberNeoand my /dev/mmcblk1p2 already have the opt and user contents02:02
* SpeedEvil wonders what it thinks of as 'memory'.02:02
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NIN101hmm, swap?02:03
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UberNeowhen I am opening the camera shutter ,, it shows "not enough Memory to open Camera"02:03
mgedminthumbnailer/indexer eating all the ram on first boot?02:03
UberNeoI have enough of memory everywhere ..02:04
UberNeodf -h --
mgedminI believe "Low Memory" refers to RAM, not disk space02:05
* SpeedEvil vaguely remembers camera being fairly hard-coded at one point.02:05
UberNeothis is my mount --
UberNeoAlso I am able to open the Web Browser .. but a blank page .. when I open google or any other site02:07
NIN101give the output of "free"02:07
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NIN101+=please :-).02:07
UberNeoFree output -
UberNeobut I have created the Swap filesystem on my uSD as /dev/mmcblk1p302:09
UberNeonot sure why is it not using teh SwapSpace02:09
mgedmincan you run swapon manually?02:10
UberNeoNokia-N900:~# swapon -a swapon: /dev/mmcblk1p3: Invalid argument N02:10
SpeedEvilswapon /dev/explicitly02:10
mgedminanything interesting in dmesg|tail?02:11
SpeedEvilIt may be hardcoded to not allow that as swap02:11
UberNeoNokia-N900:~# swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 swapon: /dev/mmcblk1p3: Invalid argument02:11
SpeedEvilas there s also stuff to hard-unmount the SD02:11
SpeedEvilif the cover is opened02:11
NIN101run mkswap over it maybe02:11
SpeedEvilI'd wonder if it'd work with power-kernel02:11
UberNeoits already mkswapeed02:11
UberNeomy dmesg -
mgedmin"Unable to find swap-space signature"02:13
mgedminare you sure it's mkswapped?02:13
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UberNeothat just came .. when i ran swapon manually just now02:13
UberNeoit worked02:14
UberNeoI again give mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p302:14
UberNeoand the manually swapon /dev/mmcblk1p302:14
NIN101now as you have a mix of MyDocs on EMMC and Home on uSD we can not just replace the device for the genfstab script02:14
NIN101so go to rcS-late and find "swapon -a"02:15
UberNeoNIN101: thenn02:15
NIN101remove that line and make swapon /dev/mmcblk1p302:15
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mgedminbut why would you need to do that on every boot?02:18
mgedminwho overrides the swap partition?02:18
UberNeoalso even though I have made changes to rcS-late for mmcblk0 to mmcblk1 .. still /dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounting on  /home/user/MyDocs  instead of /dev/mmcblk0p002:20
UberNeosorry instead of /dev/mmcblk1p102:21
UberNeorcs-Late regenerates the /etc/fstab // is there any other place where the mounting gets changed02:22
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SpeedEvilIt would be interesting to write this up for people with broken emmcs02:23
UberNeosince my EMMC is damaged physically ...02:23
UberNeoi will write don SpeedEvil02:23
UberNeobut still my /home/user/MyDocs are using the EMMC02:24
SpeedEvilYou want it to - or not?02:24
UberNeono I dont want .. to rely on my EMMC .. it can be curropted anytime02:25
SpeedEvilIs all the mmc broken?02:25
UberNeonot the whole02:25
SpeedEvilgrep MyDocs /etc/* ?02:25
SpeedEvilI think the mounting scripts are to do with USB02:25
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NIN101it's documented in the IRC logs, though DocScrutinizer gave you some sed scripts. The idea behind that was that you shouldn't change too much in mounting stuff :-). But now... one way would be to go to /usr/lib/genfstab.awk02:26
NIN101there you find "printf %s /home/user/MyDocs bla bla bla"02:27
NIN101I think you could replace %s with /dev/mmcblk1p102:27
NIN101if it also formatted as vfat.02:28
UberNeo /dev/mmcblk1p1          0+    275     276-   2104745    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)02:28
UberNeo /dev/mmcblk0p1          1  884864  884864   28315648    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)02:28
UberNeoalmost same .. except the size02:29
DocScrutinizer51don't replace random stuff with mmcblk1*, just *swap*  mmcblk1 and mmcblk002:29
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SpeedEvil32G microsd have gotten lots cheaper02:29
DocScrutinizer51,,do the swap globally on rootfs02:31
DocScrutinizer51there a severla places refering to mmcblk* and it's hard to catch all the indirect locations, so just swap the explicit strings *everywhere*02:32
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UberNeookk .. lemme use ur script .. DocScrutinizer51 .. and see the results02:34
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UberNeook .. I have used the DocScrutinizer51 script to change all the occurances *everywhere*02:49
UberNeoIts working ..02:49
UberNeobut still /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs ..instead of /dev/mmcblk1p102:50
DocScrutinizerthat's just as it should be - only minimal detail mmcblk0 is uSAD now02:51
UberNeoso u mean its not mounting EMMC now .. its is uSD on /home.user/MyDocs02:52
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UberNeoAlso when I open the Photos application .. its gives the error "Operation Failed " and nothing in it ..02:56
UberNeoWhen I open Calendar .. Inetrnal Error :Application closed Calendar"02:58
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UberNeoalso one point to note .. the CPU usage is consistently over 50% all the time ...03:03
UberNeodbus-daemon are the culprits03:03
UberNeo  996     1 user     S <   1392  0.5  7.9 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session03:04
UberNeo 769     1 messageb S <   1940  0.7  6.5 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork03:04
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SpeedEvildbus-listen or something03:16
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UberNeodbus-listen ?03:17
SpeedEvilTo find out what the messages are03:18
UberNeodont have dbus-listen03:18
UberNeoits huge text03:19
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DocScrutinizerbtw I'm not Merlin. I just suggested a way I think is the most simple one to accomplish that sap of eMMC and uSD. I'm eve surprised it worked this far, and I'd never think there are no additional problems arising anywhere with this ultrasimple global edit03:22
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NIN101UberNeo: stupid quesiton, but did you reboot after the global swap?03:22
UberNeoyes already twice03:23
SpeedEvilAlso - global swap - the system was in stock state first?03:23
SpeedEvilSwapping some back won't work03:23
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NIN101UberNeo: Could you paste the output of mount again?03:30
UberNeoalso one thing to notice that .. I am able to click n save the pictures at location "/media/mmc1/DCIM" which is mounted on "/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1"03:30
UberNeomount -
NIN101So nothing changed, just like before. UberNeo: Can you paste /etc/event.d/rcS-late?03:34
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UberNeo  -- /etc/event.d/rcS-late03:36
NIN101UberNeo: cat /etc/fstab | grep MyDocs03:37
UberNeo /dev/mmcblk1p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 003:38
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NIN101UberNeo: thx03:39
NIN101fstab apparently plays no role for MyDocs.03:40
UberNeoNIN101: then where is it getting mounted03:40
UberNeoalso not able to play any Youtube Video .. i can open it but no flash03:41
UberNeoso any changes in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh03:42
NIN101one "hacky" way to stop mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 would be to insert something like if [ "$PDEV" = "/dev/mmcblk0p1" ] ; then exit fi03:43
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NIN101add a ; after the exit if you wanna do this.03:44
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UberNeoline 40 right03:45
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NIN101UberNeo: something like this03:47
NIN1010p1, not 1p103:47
UberNeoso i shud just add if [ "$PDEV" = "/dev/mmcblk0p1" ] ; then exit  fi at the top03:48
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NIN101 find "MP=$2" (it's somewhere at the top) and then add the "if ..." i pasted.03:49
UberNeonew mount after the reboot --
NIN101as expected03:53
UberNeothr is no /dev/mmcblk0p1 now03:53
UberNeobut "/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1" it shud be "/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /home/user/MyDocs"03:53
NIN101now you only need a script which mounts mmcblk1p1 to /home/user/MyDocs03:54
NIN101we also must stop  mmcblk1p1 from mounting to /media/mmc103:55
NIN101(so it would look like this
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UberNeomore changes --04:00
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NIN101 and this in /etc/event.d/realmydocs should mount the right MyDocs04:00
UberNeorebooted .. and here is the mount :)
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UberNeoNIN101: its worked :)04:07
UberNeobut still few issues .. still not able to open Calendar ..04:08
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UberNeo /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session     -- this taking max cpu %04:08
UberNeoPhotos application showing "Operation Failed"04:09
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NIN101UberNeo: after you moved the home device location to sd, you booted with a completely empty home, you didn't copy the hidden folders of your old emmc home to the new one, right?04:23
UberNeoright ..04:24
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UberNeohavent copied the Hidden folders04:25
UberNeoi had just used cp -r /home/user/MyDocs /mnt/p104:26
SpeedEvilIt treats the hidden folders as links somehow04:30
SpeedEvilThe names of the directories are localised04:31
DocScrutinizercp -a !04:31
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DocScrutinizeralso think about the following: if there's no uSD, the eMMC gets detected by kernel as mmcblk0. *IF* there _is_ a uSD, this uSD will get detected by kernel as mmcblk0 and eMMC gets detected as mmcblk1. *Someting* later on renames mmcblk1-eMMC to mmcblk0, and mmcblk0-uSD to mmcblk1. Find this *something* and comment it out04:34
UberNeothats the reason dmesg - mmcblk0: mmc0:85ee SD08G 7.42 GiB04:35
DocScrutinizerwhole swap done (except cp -a of course) by a single char #04:36
UberNeommcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB04:36
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NIN101this "something" sounds like udev rules to me.04:40
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NIN101/etc/udev/rules.d/92-n770.rules /lib/udev/mmc_id  I think I found it.04:42
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NIN101what do you want to do with it? You kinda swapped in a very different way by modifing some stuff, so it doesn't matter anymore atm.04:50
UberNeoI ahve reversed all the changes and have copied back as cp -a .. now making all the changes again ..04:51
NIN101hm, well UberNeo, good luck :-). I need some sleep... Good night folks.04:56
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DocScrutinizerUberNeo: in /lib/udev/mmc_id change >>echo "SLOT_NUM=0"<< 0 to 1, and a few lines below change 1 to 005:13
DocScrutinizerthanks nin101 for pointing to /etc/udev/rules.d/92-n77005:14
DocScrutinizerUberNeo: no other edits should be needed, just what I suggested 2 line sabove05:14
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UberNeochanged .. rebooting now05:15
DocScrutinizerthis shall make "internal" mmcblk1 and "external" mmcblk005:15
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DocScrutinizerthe whole rest of system will happily use mcblk0* and access uSD under that name05:16
DocScrutinizerat least that's what I hope05:16
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UberNeofrom dmesg05:17
UberNeommcblk0: mmc0:85ee SD08G 7.42 GiB05:17
UberNeommcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB05:17
UberNeobut it solved the issue .. of Calendar and Photos application05:18
UberNeoAlso Youtube Videos are also playing now05:19
UberNeoalso no dbus-daemon stuff which was eating teh cpu before05:20
UberNeoI think .. this is it05:20
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UberNeothanks a lot DocScrutinizer NIN101 and SpeedEvil  .. thanks a lot05:20
DocScrutinizerwell, give a hacker a real challange ;-D05:21
UberNeomy N900 is alive again .. taking the breaths normally :)05:21
SpeedEvilWriting this up would be a great service!05:21
SpeedEvilAs several people have hit this issue.05:21
UberNeosure SpeedEvil  .. i will write doen all the issues faced and the final solution05:21
UberNeoone more thing .. now the Swap Space is also getting used .. previouly .. it was there but not getting used05:23
UberNeo  ... free output05:24
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Macerat  its best05:30
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DocScrutinizerumount /media/mmc1; sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 <<FOO; blaVFAT opton option; blablaext3 option; blablablaSWAP option; FOO; echo please open and close back cover; mkswap mmcblk1p3; mkfs.ext3 mmcblk1p2; mkfs.vfat mmcblk1p1; mount mmcblk1p2 /mnt/foohome; umount MyDocs; cp -a /home /mnt/foohome; sed -i 's/SLOT_NUM=0/SLOT_NUM=@/; s/SLOT_NUM=1/SLOT_NUM=0/; s/SLOT_NUM=@/SLOT_NUM=1/' /lib/udev/mmc_id05:31
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Almighty1atmealsilly question, but how do i resize a desktop applet in diablo?05:42
Almighty1atmealmy openvpn applet is too narrow for me to tell it to connect and i can't seem to grab on to that arrow in the lower right corner of the applet window05:42
Almighty1atmealah, i disabled and re-enabled the applet and it auto resized05:43
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Almighty1atmealerm, the applet says connected but the server doesn't see the active connection and ifconfig shows no tunnel interface so i can't verify IP05:45
Almighty1atmealah, limitations of the applet, seems it didn't like tls authentication. silliness.05:50
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jonwilanyone happen to know where the nokia hands startup animation comes from?06:15
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ShadowJKit's an .mp4 somewhere06:18
UberNeojonwil: /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/Nokia_N900.mp406:21
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jonwilnope its not that06:24
jonwilnokia_n900.mp4 is a promo video for the N90006:26
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jonwilor something of that nature06:26
jonwilso the hands animation is not a .mp406:26
jonwilok, that makes more sense06:27
jonwilok, so its played by hildon-welcome then06:28
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jonwiland from the looks of it, turning it off seems easy enough should I decide to do that. Or making it not play noise if I want to go that route :)06:35
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jonwilwhat annoys me about the microb browser is that if you want to embed it in your program you are told to just link to the engine directly (and pull it into your app) and there is no real way to actually talk to the running browserd instance and do what the maemo browser, conversations app and other things do06:42
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: see ~jr-tools06:47
infobotrumour has it, jrtools is
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jonwilwhat is that jr-tools reference for? The startup-anmination-changing?07:09
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jonwilI must say, hacking the N900 is much easier than hacking my previous Motorola Z6 (also linux based)07:37
jonwilMotorola MAGX actually07:40
wmarone_ah yeah, when motorola really got into the anti-hacking thing07:40
* wmarone_ played around with a ming07:41
jonwilThe root filesystem, bootloader and kernel and stuff were all digitally signed07:42
jonwilthe "flex" (as Motorola calls it) which holds ringtones, wallpapers and other stuff like that was not07:43
jonwilThe early hacks involved modifying files on that "flex" to get telnet and ftp07:43
wmarone_that's one reason I avoid motorola devices like the plague, they've always been looking for ways to cripple the device07:43
jonwilThen later some guy found a hole in the bootloader07:43
LaoLang_coolwhat about hacking on webos07:43
jonwilthe hardware in the z6 is pathetic too07:44
jonwilIt doesnt have WiFi OR 3G07:44
jonwilor GPS07:44
jonwilthese days it would probably be labeled a "dumbphone" :P07:44
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jonwilHowever, it does have one thing the N900 does not, the Z6 supports Cell Broadcast SMS :P07:45
jonwiland I used it to verify what the actual tower names for my local towers were07:45
jonwilwhen originally getting the early cell broadcast work going07:45
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jonwilhmmm, my phone has been switching between 3 different towers (on 2G) and it hasnt even moved07:58
jonwilI see 3 different cell IDs in my log07:58
dm8tbrthat's pretty normal07:59
jonwileven on 2G?07:59
dm8tbron 3G you wouldn't even know08:00
dm8tbrand yes, I've seen exactly that when I was once looking at network topologies in germany08:00
dm8tbrO2 uses GK coordinates sent on a CB channel to tell the handset if it is in certain 'home' or 'city' areas with lower minute pricing. the sim compares with radius values stored and shows a message08:02
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jonwiland now I go out and test with what should be the final run of the cell broadcast SMS detection and logging code (including code to determine when specific data points like the cell ID and network status are now invalid and need to be thrown away)08:21
jonwilthese logs should show if I get any bogus readings08:21
jonwilsuch as getting an incoming cell broadcast on a cell different to what the last "cell ID change" message printed08:21
jonwilThis whole cell broadcast SMS thing is extremely fun :)08:22
jonwiljust need to make a shoppping list before I go :)08:23
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ham5havent kept up with the software, has a call blocker been made to block unidentified calls ? callblocker was being developed I just seen it hasent been updated in a long time ...10:07
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auenfso many appearances of n9 in this show10:31
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psycho_oreosthere was supposedly a show which is poewred by nokia (I suppose you could say funded in layman's terms) and telechoice in .au I can't remember the show but it was some music tv show where I think they handed out N9 and another nokia but I can't remember the model10:43
psycho_oreoshmm maybe next time I can uploaded a scanned image of the telechoice brochure if you want to see the ads in .au :þ10:44
psycho_oreoswell in regards to N9 that is anyway10:44
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auenfi'm sure i've got a telechoice cattledog here somewhere10:45
psycho_oreoseh, mine's downstairs in rumpus but I cbf getting it now10:46
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memrehi there11:31
memrei have a problem with scratchbox211:31
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ErwinJungememre: Could you be more specific?11:39
memrei am trying to use sbrsh but couldn't understand the problem11:40
memrewait, I will paste the error log11:41
memremy sb2-init command: sb2-init -sn -c sbrsh -r -l parm /opt/toolchain/armel/bin/arm-pardus-linux-gnueabi-gcc11:41
memre2011-10-31 11:42:44.453 (WARNING)       bash[24390]     WARNING: Executing binary with bogus working directory (/tmp) because sbrsh can only see /parm/ and /root$11:43
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memre2011-10-31 11:42:44.453 (ERROR) bash[24390]     exec(./bin/ls) failed, internal configuration error: LD_LIBRARY_PATH and/or LD_PRELOAD were not set by exec mapping logic11:43
memre# exit 126 (126)11:43
memreand that is the error.11:43
memreI watched the network traffic, there is no transmission between host and by build machine11:44
memresb2 version: 2.111:45
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memreany ideas?11:48
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jonwilwow, my logging worked perfectly12:52
jonwilI learned a few things about the Optus network in the process :)12:52
jonwilI passed through 54 different cells and picked up 23 unique cell broadcast names12:53
jonwilincluding one cell that was squawking an empty tower name12:54
jonwilincluding at least one tower names that matched a suburb far away from where I was12:54
jonwilIt told me I was in Claremont when I was nowhere near Claremont at any point during the day :)12:55
* NIN101 just read backlog and is glad to see that the guy succeeded in swapping from EMMC to SD. 12:56
jonwilI also found a bunch of towers that seemed to squawk no tower name at all12:56
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jonwilI must have been the only person on the entire train who was actually GLAD that my phone dropped out when we passed through the somewhat long tunnel :)12:58
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jonwilI always know that if I ride that train, I am guaranteed to loose service which is perfect for testing :)12:59
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: yeah, it it was really simple. In the end all my solutions tend to be extremely simple13:32
DocScrutinizerNIN101: thanks for pointing at udev rule :-D13:32
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DocScrutinizer(<dm8tbr> O2 uses GK coordinates)
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dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: yep, I'm fairly familiar with their stuff :)13:38
jonwilI am happy with the information the N900 is giving me for cells :)13:38
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dm8tbrthe fun bit was that you could even IIRC tell the 3 sectors apart as the antenna positions reported for each were slightly moved toward the MT, away from the BTS13:40
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: would you by any chance have a list of actually used CBchannels for German 4 carriers?13:40
DocScrutinizeror is that actually as short as: 50, 21113:40
dm8tbrdurrrrr, haven't used that in ages :(13:40
dm8tbrI remember that yearrrrs ago T-mogelpackung had a load of channels listed13:41
dm8tbrbut as they couldn't bill for CB usage...13:41
DocScrutinizeryep, seem to recall same13:41
DocScrutinizertraffic message might still be in use13:41
dm8tbrlast time i seriously looked at this was still last millenium...13:42
dm8tbrwhen messaging someone over ICQ and telling them you were doing 160km/h on the motorway was still a serious WTF moment13:43
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DocScrutinizer:-D - yeah same here13:46
dm8tbrnow I feel old :(13:46
jonwilMy network doesn't send anything except ch5013:47
DocScrutinizerplaying with GK wasn't much fun when you had to use a laptop to carry it with you to read out the 621013:47
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NIN101DocScrutinizer: yw. and it was cool idea :-).13:49
DocScrutinizer(SMSCB) gave me 2 times a WTF moment - first time when I noticed enabling SMSCB doubled the power consumption of the Nokia 6210, and another one when I learnt N900 cmt has SMSCB always enabled13:52
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iluminator101hi my n900 keeps saying memory inaccessible unable to save, how can i fix this14:23
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: (OT) are you interested in ALSA/audio a lil bit? Another example of an extremely simple solution that took very long to find and get it right: my - allows to define a ALSA plugin that will execute arbitrary stuff on your standard alsa based sound app opening resp closing the audio device14:26
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DocScrutinizere.g. your arbitrary SIP client opening ringtone audio device for playing the ringtone, this plugin can start the vibrator, mute your mp3 player, whatever you want and can do via cmdline14:28
NIN101DocScrutinizer: I am not that interested in ALSA and audio. But this sounds pretty useful.14:29
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NIN101afk, lunch.14:35
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: the best detail in it: if your cmdline will return an error (I.E. like /bin/false) then opening the audio device with libalsaexechook fails for the audio app. And the pcm_open() call blocks until the cmdline cmd actually returns (obviously it has to, otherwise the prev thing depending on return code wouldn't work)14:36
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iluminator101DocScrutinizer, you are running the titan kernel?14:43
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DocScrutinizersort of, on my test device14:44
RST38bisDoc: You, overclocking?14:46
DocScrutinizerwut? ME??14:46
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DocScrutinizeryou're kidding14:46
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RST38bisWhy titan kernel then?14:49
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RST38bisany other advantages?14:49
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DocScrutinizerpowerkernel, hostmode14:56
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FIQ|n900RST38bis, you did the xchat port?14:58
DocScrutinizeryou're aware that hostmode is implemented in kernel, and h-e-n GUI is just a extremely simple interface to sysfs, are you?14:58
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LaoLang_coolanyone interested in porting weechat onto n900? www.weechat.org15:05
RST38bisFIQ: Yes, what about it?15:05
RST38bisDoc: Yeah15:06
RST38bisDoc: Was just surprised by you touching the titan stuff, widely dubbed satan's spawn15:06
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DocScrutinizerpower kernel (aka titan's kernel) is poorly supported regarding git integration etc, and lately seen some "patches" that clearly don't match the quality requirements for kernel stuff (poor or broken concept, untested, no review, no concept about upstream policy etc). But basically PK never was satan's spawn, it's what some people do with it that for sure is qualifying for that tag though15:12
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NIN101DocScrutinizer: cool stuff. It can also make someone rethink the need of pulseaudio for muting other applications...15:16
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: :-D that's actually been the purpose of the whole exercise - avoid using evil PA15:21
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crashanddieNIN101, I think DocScrutinizer is actually recognised by some as the incarnation of Satan himself by a number of Nokians.15:22
DocScrutinizerof course I had to back up this simple libalsaexechook by a comprehensive concept on how to handle stuff that usually is making developers pick PA15:22
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DocScrutinizerunlike PA my ACI (that'S what I called it) concept is based on plain ALSA for audio processing, and dbus and a central arbiter/server for the mixer setup stuff15:24
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NIN101crashanddie: yeah, possibly :-).15:26
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DocScrutinizerALSA has virtual usecase-centric devices, even per-app devices each with its own volume control, has mixing since the days PA wasn't even existing15:27
DocScrutinizerACI adds to that a comprehensive concept of resource handling/sharing15:27
RST38bisMeanwhile: (yes, it got even uglier)15:28
DocScrutinizer(btw you can pick whatever you want for meaning of ACI: ALSA/Audio_concept_improved, Advanced/audio_control_interface...)15:30
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keriohm, is there a dbus script to check the current traffic monitor stats?15:49
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keriowhat's that?15:50
kerioi'm in a situation where i can't really download more software15:50
SpeedEvilit's a graph thingy15:50
kerioi'm 1) with a veeeeeeeeeery limited data cap, 2) on PR1.215:50
fluxmaybe you could download through pc?15:51
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fluxapt-get install at least works with usbnet15:51
keriono, i wanted something so i can monitor the data i'm using right now *on the pc*15:51
keriodon't you think i would use the real connection if i had one?15:51
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fluxwell I was thinking you wanted to monitor the 3G data consumption of your phone?15:52
SpeedEvilnetstory is 10k15:52
fluxand that's the only connection you have?15:52
SpeedEvilworks well15:52
keriobecause i'm using it through mobilehotspot15:52
SpeedEvilfor PC transfer too15:52
kerioflux: why else would i care? when i'm actively using the phone i can just check the widget on the screen15:52
kerioi just wanted something i can call through ssh so i don't have to walk to the phone that's near the window15:53
fluxkerio, my point was that perhaps you can try out new software on the phone without wasting your data quota15:53
fluxof course, it wouldn't be the final solution15:53
jogadamn...ran out of battery on n900, I've been wondering if it's a specified behavior to *not* turn on after you've plugged it in an wall socket to charge and let it be there for a few mins before even trying to boot it up15:54
keriojoga: if the battery is *really* out of juice, it'll go into emergency charging15:55
keriowhich is designed to charge really slowly to bring the battery to a state where you can boot in the real charging mode15:55
jogaI press power, it lights up the led in rising white, then show's a dim or not-dim nokia logo, then just sleeps back15:55
keriobecause the n900's charging sucks balls :<15:55
keriooh, the real charging mode15:55
kerioyeah, it's designed to be like that15:55
jogaok so even though it has abundant energy available, it simply does not do that because x?15:56
jogaok :)15:56
joga(that's not news really, but right now I'm waiting for a call in half an hour that I can't miss)15:56
fluxmaybe it's not a good idea to write to flash when you are not guaranteed to have energy15:56
fluxwhich it would inevitable do if it were booted to the OS15:57
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SpeedEvilIf it's going off again - it's booted to linux.15:58
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SpeedEvilIt's just in low-power mode, until the battery rises over threshold.15:58
SpeedEvilLeave it a few more min.15:58
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keriojoga: the n900 isn't really a phone for phone calls15:59
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jogaSpeedEvil yeh, no prob. I just get the feeling many users might find this a reason to throw it out the window15:59
keriojoga: indeed16:00
kerioit's not a phone for many users :)16:00
jogaevery other nokia phone I've had has the semantics like "if the charger is plugged in -> you can use it)16:00
infobotjoga meant: every other nokia phone I've had has the semantics like "if the charger is plugged in -> you can use it"16:00
keriojoga: well, you still can16:00
kerioyou just have to wait a bit :)16:01
kerioand not really, if you drain the battery a lot you get nothing, in most phones16:01
kerioeven old-school nokia phones16:01
joganever had a problem with that, myself16:01
jogaplug it in, it'll work, always16:01
keriobut even the fastcharger doesn't provide enough juice to actually run everything at max16:01
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jogaat least can't remember any exception besides n900 but my memory is probably not 100% accurate ;)16:02
keriothe fastcharger provides 1.1A, the cellmo requires peaks of 2A iirc16:02
kerioi had to stop using a crappy second battery i had because the phone part just died after a bit16:02
keriofor lack of current16:03
freemangordon~seen pali16:04
infobotpali <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 1h 55m 35s ago, saying: 'if we update/create new wrapper for that it is possible'.16:04
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jogakerio, still it's highly irritating that I get the animated circles before the lock code prompt and then it just shuts down :)16:11
joga"emergency" my ass16:11
jogabut I can live with that, it's just that the behavior is somewhat different than you'd expect if you think like "if I give it a charger it'll work"16:12
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jogathe last time I had that I think I just pulled it off the charger, booted it up and then continued charging, but I might've just been lucky16:13
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jogalol, did that now too, worked fine, now it booted up16:15
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jogaeither I'm really good with timing or it just refuses to boot up even if it can16:15
kerioidk, i haven't charged it through the usb for more than a year now16:17
jogaI'm charging it straight from wall scoket16:17
jogashouldn't be a problem with getting current16:17
keriojoga: i doubt it - there's probably a transformer between your n900 and the wall socket :)16:18
joga(not that I've actually checked what the ratings say on it)16:18
keriojoga: are you using the official nokia one?16:18
jogakerio, heh well, yeah I'll grant you that ;)16:18
jogathe official one, shipped with the phone16:18
kerioor at least something that actually follows the usb charger protocol?16:18
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jogawell, it's nokia branded and works better than usb charging, that's for sure, but I just checked very quickly and it didn't seem to have any ratings mentioned16:22
jogabut I just kinda took it off the socket for a couple of seconds and looked around it and saw nothing relevant, but some of the text wasn't very easily readable so I just might've missed ti16:23
keriowhat the fuck16:24
keriomy n900 doesn't turn its screen on anymore16:24
kerioit's like... dead16:24
kerioexcept i'm still connected through it to the internet16:24
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keriohow can i forcibly turn the screen on?16:25
jogatried power button press?16:25
kerioi don't want to turn it off!16:25
kerioi'd lose my internets!16:25
jogajust click it, not hold16:25
kerioyeah, doesn't work16:25
kerioit's like it's suffering from autism16:25
jogasometimes with problematic software (full screen console emulators or such), I've found the power button to be the only solution besides ssh16:26
jogakeyboard slide? guess you tried that already..16:26
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kerioyeah, it's still not answering :|16:26
keriowtf is sgx_misr?16:26
jogaMy device sometimes locks up on heavy graphics use16:27
jogaThere's a small driver issue with sgx_misr, in that when you have too many programs (or just one or two) updating the screen too often it can get stuck in a resource staved state and lock up. This happens mainly with very resource intense programs (like GPS/nav or high frame-rate games). There's a script that can monitor it in the background and reset the device if it starts to lock up.16:27
keriobut i don't want to reset my n900 ;_;16:28
jogamaybe the script linked in the thread has some commands you might try (didn't check)16:28
keriomeh, i'll just reboot16:29
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kerioalright, i'm back16:43
keriohad to switch batteries too :<16:44
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vdv_hi all17:34
vdv_is it possible to install and use maemo sdk on slackware?17:34
vdv_or it's only for debian based distros?17:34
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keriolol, my battery ran out *again*17:45
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kerioi don't even17:49
keriomy ripoff battery discharged faster than the charger could charge the original one17:49
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Michelle__I borrwed my brother19:26
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Michelle__I borrowed my brother's Nokia N900. When I plug in the USB, it asks me if i want to format the drive instead of just reading the contents. How do i fix this? If I choose to format the drive, won't it destroy the phone?19:28
nid01) no 2) close the popup without formatting it19:31
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, ping19:51
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luke-jrMichelle__: it won't destroy the N900 (which is a computer, not a phone), but it WILL erase personal files19:59
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Michelle__luke-jr: Thanks. Worked fine.20:14
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BluesLeesomeone with an e7 here?20:18
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mr_jrtOld one again. My intermittent debugging issues with Qt Creator have resurfaced. It just randomly seems to time out loading libraries. I get a successful run maybe every 30+ or so attempts. Maybe. Any one else have/had this issue?22:42
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x29amr_jrt: what exactly are you doing?23:16
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mr_jrtQt Creator project, remote debugging on the N900 over USB.23:22
JaffaX-Fade: ping23:22
X-FadeJaffa: pong23:22
JaffaX-Fade: Was complaining at achipa about how it doesn't seem possible to write a new Qt app for Fremantle and he's pointed out that libqtm-12 isn't supposed to be in Extras (or something)23:23
X-FadeJaffa: Hmmm23:24
x29amr_jrt: im doing the same but over wifi, but shouldnt matter, whats the problem?23:25
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x29ai rarely get a UTFS timeout23:26
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X-FadeJaffa: I guess it needs to be removed from Extras then.23:27
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JaffaX-Fade: He also mentioned something about dependent packages being promoted.23:29
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mr_jrtx29a: Just seems to...stop. I have a breakpoint set on the first line that always hits...but beyond there all bets are off.23:30
X-FadeJaffa: I'm sure there is a bug there.23:30
JaffaX-Fade: I've poked him23:30
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X-FadeJaffa: I guess we should assume that once you got something into testing, you can expect it to show up in extras at some point.23:30
X-FadeJaffa: I don't remember anymore why he wanted it in testing, but not extras :)23:31
JaffaX-Fade: Seems reasonable to me.23:31
JaffaX-Fade: Having got something rejected from Nokia Store QA, I flashed my N900 with stock PR1.3. Qt's a mess.23:31
mr_jrtx29a: TBH, it's driven me to give up on the debugger and just trace everything manually....but I have a segfault somewhere and I could do with some stepping to nail it.23:31
JaffaX-Fade: libqtm-11 won't install; libqtm-12 will install but segfaults.23:31
X-FadeJaffa: Ouch.23:31
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x29aJaffa: what device are you on? n900?23:34
x29ai used the qtm 1.2.1 from git (compiled with maemo 5 sdk) and it works much better than 1.1 (too little features) or 1.2 (too instable). some discussion on new "official" builds can be found here:
x29amr_jrt: weird, works fine for me, are you on the newester qt creator/qt sdk tools?23:36
mr_jrtx29a: yep 2.3.1? - phew...I just managed to get to my segfault :)23:40
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achipagood evening everyone23:44
Jaffaachipa: 'lo :)23:44
achipasooo, we go medieval on the apps depending on libqtm-1* in extras ?23:45
x29ahi achipa =)23:45
x29amr_jrt: "Built on Sep 21 2011 at 11:16:49" i assume. good for you23:45
Jaffaachipa: If you point to a good example, I'll see if it works on fresh clean stock PR1.323:46
achipaat this point I guess nothing works23:46
achipathe question is should I try to salvage some of those apps or not23:46
mr_jrtx29a: Sep 21 2011 at 10:51:01 :)23:47
x29aachipa: did you get your sdk back up and running?23:48
achipaand the other, should I do it the right way and ditch all the fancy packaging and build one giant qtm package, as that's the only one that can work even semi-decently with the app-manager23:48
x29amr_jrt: but you didnt find the problem for debugging yet, right?23:48
achipax29a: no, but here's the perfect motivation, right ? :)23:48
Jaffaachipa: Right. qmltube is in Extras. Let's see if it works.23:49
JaffaHmm, lots of red on
x29aachipa: rrriiiiight!23:49
achipaJaffa:  I guess that's some bork on the frontend side23:49
achipaI'm pretty sure Qt *is* there :)23:50
Jaffaachipa: One mega package would seem easier, especially since QML doesn't get the auto shdepends23:50
achipayes, and that can be incremental23:51
achipaso no cross-dependency issue23:51
achipa(i.e. what is app want modules A and B with 1.1.2 and another wants A and C with 1.1.3)23:51
JaffaMy wireless is FUBAR23:51
achipa(which is coincidentally also why I rant about the unfeasibility of self-maintained repos)23:51
achipahey, I have 4 computers at hand, none of which can actually compile anything23:52
achipaso, apparently mbarcode-plugin-qrcode triggered the avalanche...23:54
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achipaJaffa: sadly, I don't know what to do with existing installs. Even if I roll to a megapackage, people would not be able to switch to it without a reinstall23:57
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