IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-10-30

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HyperSnyperanyone got suggestion for places shipping "Genuine" BL-5J batteries to uk00:25
HyperSnyperorderd 2 of amazon claiming to be genuine but one i've tried only lasts 2 hours usage on fulll charge, and hologram just doesn't look right00:25
DocScrutinizerbetter go for second soure than for fake genuine00:26
HyperSnyperor if u use 3rd party ones Doc i'd give them ago ;P00:26
DocScrutinizerthere's that incredibly awesome guy on tmo testing *all* batteries you can think of00:27
HyperSnypertmo ?00:28
infobottmo is probably, or trolls, morons, oxes00:28
DocScrutinizerscratch the page=4000:29 should be a cname for talk00:29
HyperSnyperdo you use genuine nokia battery in yours ?00:30
HyperSnyperor 3rd party00:30
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DocScrutinizerImostly use "genuine" as the one is a second hand one supposedly genuine and works just fine, cost me 20% of original00:31
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ShadowJKprobably Japod from DX is highest capacity battery now00:34
ShadowJKnot counting mugenbrick00:34
HyperSnyperyeh was just looking at that one00:34
HyperSnypergot another question, how does the n900 choose cell tower to connect to ?00:35
HyperSnyperwhen im at the end of my road it uses a different cell tower and i get around 400KB/s average 3.5G00:35
HyperSnyperat home its on another an di seem to get around 100KB/s00:35
HyperSnyperis it possible to manuall change00:35
HyperSnyperend of my road being about 200m00:36
ShadowJKas far as I've understood, the modem keeps tracks of towers it can hear, the operator has set thresholds for when a phone should switch00:36
SpeedEvilHyperSnyper: no.00:36
HyperSnyperso that would be hidden in one of the closed source areas ?00:36
ShadowJKSo it's not possible to manually change00:36
SpeedEvilHyperSnyper: Other than with a dish.00:36
SpeedEvilHyperSnyper: no00:36
SpeedEvilHyperSnyper: It's in a different processor.00:36
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ShadowJKThe whole system is kinda built around the operator having control over what tower phones talk to, too00:37
HyperSnyperguessed so, but thought id better ask anyway00:37
ShadowJKSometimes I used to play around with blocking the phone's signal long enough that it started searching for something else, then unblocking it, and then it'd sometimes stay on the alternative tower00:38
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* SpeedEvil wonders if the n900 has the grunt to do SDR-GSM.00:38
SpeedEvilI suspect not.00:38
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DocScrutinizer(<ShadowJK> as far as I've understood, the modem keeps tracks of towers it can hear, the operator has set thresholds for when a phone should switch) yes exactly, called C1, C2 (Criterion)00:38
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SpeedEvilYou may be able to find a spot in your hose where it listens to the right tower.00:39
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HyperSnypernot really that fussed about 3.5G at home was just more of an interest in if it's possible00:39
ShadowJKIn my house I get 3 kbyte/s in one place, and then 30cm away from that place I get 5Mbit/s00:40
ShadowJKon same tower00:40
HyperSnyperShadowJK microwave housing work for blocking ?00:40
DocScrutinizeron Nokia 6210 (et al) net monitor you had a chance to force cellmo to a certain tower00:40
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ShadowJKHyperSnyper, I used hands, and also monitored the status with my PC. not practical00:40
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ShadowJKI had to block it just long enough that it decided it shoudl switch, but not so long that it would realize that signal of all other towers also went down00:43
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ShadowJKgrrr, these phillips earphones are driving me mad. I have to ground every gadget that has a wallwart unless I want to get shocked inside my ears00:45
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DocScrutinizernuke philips00:47
DocScrutinizerget a proper GSM yagi00:47
DocScrutinizerget adapter for the test socket00:47
mtnbkr-laptopHyperSnyper: If you like, I can ship you (2) official Nokia BL-5J batteries. One I got with my N900 and one I bought separately... both are real.legit, and I can also send you one of the extended life (forget the brand but it was the #1rated by that crazy battery testing guy)... My N900 is no workie and I had bought a bunch of spare batteries before it died...00:47
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DocScrutinizerplug yagi to N900 and point at BTS you want to connect to00:48
mtnbkr-laptopI'd be happy to just send them to you. I have no need for them and am not looking to make any $ off of it.   They are all very new (a few months old with very little use) except for the one marked #1 which came with the N90000:48
mtnbkr-laptopI can msg you my email if you like... We are in the middle of a ptryy major snow stormin the North east USA and power is on and off and on and off so I may be in and or out of here shortly.00:49
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DocScrutinizer(force cellmo to a BTS)  forced cell reselect (display 17)00:54
DocScrutinizer p.11 >>Display 17 - BTS test<<00:55
HyperSnypermtnbkr-laptop will pm00:55
zogg_laptopi think i have terrible timeouts00:56
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DocScrutinizerbtw I bet, though Nokia didn't care to keep the UI working, all the NetMonitor functions are *still* burried in BB5 FW00:59
DocScrutinizerand I'd *really01:00
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DocScrutinizer* like to see somebody @Nokia drop by here under a pseudonym and leave some hints01:01
SpeedEvilHints, root keys of the modem, and source code dump, nothing much.01:01
* ShadowJK 'd suspect it relies on bb5 talking to a display and keypad itself01:01
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: LOL *cough*01:02
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: maybe, maybe not. There'S still the generic flash filesystem that AIUI is supported under BB% as it was under basically 90% of earlier modems01:03
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: nota bene even on 6210 the NetMonitor was accessible via F-Bus01:04
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DocScrutinizerand even *needed* F-Bus (or IrDA equiv) to enable NetMon at all01:04
jesuschristdont get mad, buy an iphone and be happy01:05
DocScrutinizer/kick jesuschrist01:05
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: gnokii, kandy01:06
DocScrutinizercheck Nobbi.com01:07
DocScrutinizerbest site I ever found about that stuff01:07
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ShadowJKI used gnokii to monitor that hand-covering stuff :P01:11
DocScrutinizerso you should see the likelihood of whole NetMon available via e.g ISI interface as well01:12
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ShadowJKnetmon not available on my 6230 actually :)01:13
DocScrutinizeras ISI supports generic AT interface (somewhat, see pnatd), and all the netmonitor things were via that AT interface01:13
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: wut? no netmon on 6230? Probably you just need to enable it01:14
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threshwhere do I get the correct timezone for N900?02:01
threshwell, I'm in Moscow02:03
threshmy mobile phone says it's 02:03 now02:03
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threshwhile it's really 03:0302:03
threshbecause of timezone change02:03
ShadowJKdoes moscow go 5->4 tonight?02:03
threshno, 4->402:04
ShadowJK... what02:04
DocScrutinizerpoor pal, I gues medwedjev's ideas of summer time are not yet implemented in N90002:04
threshinstead of abandoned 4->302:04
threshyep, we're staying Summer time forever02:04
ShadowJKis moscow staying on summer time for.. ah02:04
ShadowJKSo you need an updated timezone file.. guess what, unless you find someone with lots of explosives for an extended campaign of terror, Nokia will refuse to provide an updated timezone file for N900 :P02:05
threshI can always scp /etc/localtime, but oh well.02:05
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threshI imagine the amount of hassle on Monday :D02:06
ShadowJKmaybe cssu could include timezone update :/02:06
ShadowJKkinda late now though02:06
threshhey I can even use that for coming late to work !02:06
threshas an excuse02:06
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ShadowJKHey, you could do "winter"->summer next spring again, and then skip summer->winter change, and gradually slew timezone towards gmt02:06
ShadowJKor um, wait, you're going the other way02:07
* ShadowJK confused02:07
DocScrutinizeryeah summer time all the time is kinda weird02:08
threshhey I'm not arguing my nano-president laws ;)02:08
threshIn fact I hate Moscow's now stick to GMT+402:08
DocScrutinizerI think our posse here should go 2:00->22:00 in 50 minutes02:08
ShadowJKSome .fi politician suggested we should hop towards CET or GMT, dunno what became of that idea02:09
kerioi'm going back to gmt+1 in an hour02:10
* ShadowJK is going to gmt+2 in 1 hour 50 02:10
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HyperSnyperwhats the best way to enable 8 home screens ?02:16
HyperSnyperinstal CSSU ?02:17
psycho_oreosyes pretty much02:17
DocScrutinizerCSSU is pretty stable by now, dunno why nobody has the bollocks to fork out a stable branch and announce it as ready for primetime02:19
psycho_oreoswell installing CSSU is probably slightly less painful imo than doing it the old fashioned way. If you only wanted to have 8 homescreens and none of the improvements CSSU has included, then installing them through old fashioned way plus a bit of tinkering should work I think02:19
psycho_oreosnobody, including nokia (whom not long ago released PR1.3.1)02:20
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HyperSnyperwell cssu just makes me abit nervous as i've still not done "proper" backups yet02:21
psycho_oreosits quite sad really, took nokia that long to realise they needed to release a security patch, but then to ignore what the community decided to do with fixes/updates with its own software they went ahead and released this minor fix without even bothering to look at pushing a major fix02:21
HyperSnyperbut i'm deffinetly going to need more home screen space soon02:21
psycho_oreosso whats wrong with making proper backups now?02:21
HyperSnyperand no microsd02:22
psycho_oreosyou don't need microsd to perform a proper backup02:22
HyperSnypercan backup to same storage its reading from ?02:23
psycho_oreosall it takes is to move a few things around (if your eMMC is chock-a-block full), perform the backup, and make a copy of the backup elsewhere before deleting the backup. Should the day that you need to revert your backup, you have that copy elsewhere02:23
psycho_oreosdepending on which backup you're talking about, the two backup software that I know does backup to eMMC. One does it by default, the other gives you an option with that or microSD02:24
HyperSnypergoing to install backupmenu02:25
psycho_oreosthat's the latter on I was referring to, it can backup to eMMC but it doesn't allow backing up of eMMC itself, plus (why would you need to when you can enable mass storage mode and dump it from there anyway?) it allows backing up to microsd02:26
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HyperSnyperis restoring via backupmenu safe aswell ?02:28
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psycho_oreosfairly safe, as long as you're not restoring a backup when your device is running out of power, etc02:29
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HyperSnypersame power risk when doing backups ?02:30
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psycho_oreossame obvious power risk :) there's nothing more damaging then restoring a backup when your device is running out of juice. Though the same goes as with making a backup when your device does not work or does not have the proper setup you want (e.g. broken programs, etc), as restoring it will bring them all back02:37
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psycho_oreosI've tried rsync before through sshd many times before, I almost always get that reboot :)02:42
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DocScrutinizerit does a rsync every day here, and I never faced any problems other than an inevitable CPU load peak02:49
DocScrutinizeranyway for HyperSnyper doing a backup via backupmenu should be as painless and safe as milk02:50
HyperSnyperim alergic to milk02:50
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DocScrutinizerlisten, backupmenu stores a proper tarball backip of / and /opt to eMMC, really nothing that could go wrong with it (except backup aborting and backup file corrupt -> fix any problem causing the abort and redo). Installing CSSU never corrupts your eMMC MyDocs data, not even your homedir. Restore, if ever needed, will restore to a freshly flashed rootfs anyway, so what could go wrong? it won't nuke the backup file on restore. And in the end03:01
DocScrutinizerdoing a copy of your whole eMMC is absolutely simple via mass storage mode. No uSD needed03:02
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HyperSnyperwasnt that i don't trust u Doc, i actually am allergic to milk ;P03:03
jonwilhmmm, I wonder how this program can write to gconf without there being a valid gconf schema entry for it.03:07
DocScrutinizerwhich program?03:08
jonwilnot mine, something someone else wrote03:09
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jonwilIts writing to gconf without creating a schema entry03:09
jonwiland I want to find out how :)03:09
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DocScrutinizerWOW, incredible how TV EPG gets fsckd up by summer time back leap03:50
ShadowJK7 minutes to time leap :D03:53
HyperSnyperhmm is there much demand for epg apps ?03:53
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DocScrutinizeractually we have a ghost hour since 53 minutes here03:53
HyperSnyperprob the one area i might be able to help in, done alot of stuff for dreambox sat recievers and scrapping epg data from satellite/radiotimes :P03:54
DocScrutinizerTV programs starting during that ghost hour are hard to handle correctly in an EPG that doesn't have special means to deal with this situation03:55
DocScrutinizeractually some programs might end before they start03:55
DocScrutinizeras that'S obviously impossible, the whole EPG data is structured like there was no back leap / ghost hour03:56
DocScrutinizerbut TV time now is already back to winter time, while EPG still has summer time based start and end times03:57
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DocScrutinizerso I'm watching a show now that according to EPG starts in 55 minutes03:57
nox-what you watching? :)03:58
DocScrutinizerdunno, some XXX island03:59
DocScrutinizerjust watched NCIS03:59
DocScrutinizeractually I'm not interested in the program in TV, but rather in the firmware program in my TV ;-D03:00
DocScrutinizers/in TV/on TV/03:00
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: actually I'm not interested in the program on TV, but rather in the firmware program in my TV ;-D03:00
HyperSnyperyou use satellite ? Doc ?03:01
* SpeedEvil is currently considering underclocking his refrigerator.03:01
DocScrutinizererr, DVB-T03:01
DocScrutinizerunderclocking fridge sounds extremely geeky03:02
SpeedEvilVFD on the compressor to make it use less power.03:03
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* nox- outs himself as the crazy guy who runs vdr on freebsd... :)03:05
nox-(i have dvb-s2 and dvb-t)03:06
SpeedEvilIt's step 0 of the project to do the same thing on an A/C unit.03:06
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DocScrutinizer[2011-10-30 02:59:27] <DocScrutinizer> just watched NCIS03:24
DocScrutinizer[2011-10-30 02:00:27] <DocScrutinizer> actually I'm not interested in the program in TV, bu03:24
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jargon-how do i change the hostname on my n900?04:24
jargon-just change the entry in /etc/hostname?04:25
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ShadowJKI wonder if it changes if you change it in bluetooth settings04:28
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jargon-ShadowJK: hmm. i haven't used the bluetooth yet04:36
jargon-hmm. it's not the exact same hostname in btooth04:36
jargon-in btooth it's 'Nokia N900' and in /etc/hostname it's 'Nokia-N900-51-1'04:37
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jargon-usually on my boxes i change the hostname in /etc/hostname then run `/etc/init.d/hostname start`04:38
jargon-couldn't find 'hostname' in /etc/init.d on my n900,tho04:38
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AlmightyOatmealjargon-: are you trying to change your BT name or actual hostname of the device?04:51
jargon-AlmightyOatmeal: actual hostname04:53
AlmightyOatmealjargon-: have you tried editing /etc/hostname and rebooting?04:54
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jargon-AlmightyOatmeal: rebooting now04:54
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jargon-AlmightyOatmeal: worked. thanks :-)04:56
AlmightyOatmeali personally like my hostname as Nokia-N810-43-7 so i know what device i'm working with ;)04:57
jargon-well i only have one device so that's no problem for me :-)04:57
AlmightyOatmeali have at least 4 ssh sessions open at one time, plus when i ssh into it, it's a handy reminder, though i could tweak it even more.. hmm04:58
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AlmightyOatmeali could tweak it to Nokia-N810-OS200804:58
jargon-i use different shell prompt color schemes for the different boxes i ssh into. learned that lesson the hard way, when i `rm -r *` on the wrong box once05:00
AlmightyOatmeali use all bash (for user) and csh (for root) with a user@host # prompt05:01
AlmightyOatmealbrb, gf hijacking laptop05:01
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Psii just love the n900 camera09:17
Psidoes macro so well09:17
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freemangordon~seen Pali09:39
infobotpali <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 29d 19h 30m 31s ago, saying: 'if we update/create new wrapper for that it is possible'.09:39
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cityLightsmohamadag: morning?09:42
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Maceryeah.  think  i will get an e710:14
Maceras long as the usb port doesnt fall out im happy10:14
Macerpsycho_oreos: heh... i still have a n900 otw10:15
Macerwish i could clone my sim10:15
Macerso i wouldnt have to  swap it10:15
Macerbut the e7 looks good.. symbian isnt  a  bad  os...  just not as hipster as ios or android10:16
Maceri was going to see if  a duracell mygrid power clip fit   the n90010:17
Macerthat way i never have to touch the usb port10:17
Macerbonus points if it fits over  a silicon skin :)10:17
* psycho_oreos is evilishly thinking that someone should really indicate the reference to e7 is ot10:18
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woldrichPsi, indeed :)
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user____i want to use my n900 as a usb router but something is strange. if the gprs0 is working (connected via umts to the inet) usb0 seems to fail because i cant ping the local ip assigned to usb0 from a shell on my n900 (as root) but i can ping my laptop. my laptop cant ping the n900 no matter what i do12:47
user____please give me a hint because right now it seems like a bug to me12:47
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user____this is the guide iam using12:50
user____i checked iptables -L and also -t nat but nothing was set12:51
user____so this cant disable the ping12:51
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user____dm8tbr: any other idea?12:52
user____maybe a missing route?12:52
dm8tbrno idea, never done this. was just a random thought12:53
user____i also removed all routes once and still it would not enable ping from lap to n90012:53
user____if i disable the inet connection the ping works12:53
user____but why cant i ping the ip of usb0 from the n900???12:54
user____is there a firmware/routing prevention in maemo??!!12:55
SpeedEvilicd is the closed-source routing daemon that sets up and tears down connections.12:55
SpeedEvilIs there a reason you're not just using modem mode?12:56
user____does that work with linux?12:57
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user____where is a guide to that?12:58
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user____thanks anyway13:00
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LaoLang_coolsorry, a newbie question, if the FM function is ready on n900, or I have to install app to let n900 support it?13:36
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SpeedEvilyou need to install fmradio to use the receiver13:37
djszapiHi! Is it possible to detect from the build system (let it cmake for instance) whether or not I am on Fremantle/Diablo and other variants ?13:37
LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: thank you for answer :)13:38
SpeedEvilUse the 'C' FMradio, not the python one.13:42
SpeedEvilThe python one is
FIQ|n900will maemo be happy if an user password is set?13:42
SpeedEvilYes, you can set a user password.13:42
SpeedEvilIt doesn't affect normal use.13:42
FIQ|n900how does maemo log in then? :D13:42
SpeedEvilIt doesn't really13:43
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cityLights~seen MohammadAG13:56
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infobotmohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 7m 33s ago, saying: 'I can't remember who, but a grep for red / bezeqint will help'.13:56
cityLightsok, I guess I may need to buy the N9 in bruselss this feb13:58
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FIQ|n900Hm, can I modigy the img installer to use my SD card (yes, all of it, i.e. repartitioning it)?14:14
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Hurrianwhich installer, easy debian?14:14
Hurrianyou need to make sure maemo doesnt care about the first partition not being FAT3214:16
FIQ|n900oh, sorry for me being unspecific14:17
FIQ|n900I'm sure maemo will blame me for the SD card format being unsupported14:17
FIQ|n900at least it did before when I tried out meego14:17
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Hurriancheck maewiki: ext2 on microsdcard14:18
Hurrianarrrgh, swkbd is annoying14:18
Hurrianonce you get maemo to stop complaining, add mmc1 to tracker's no index directory14:19
FIQ|n900I've already turned the tracker off completly for various reasons14:20
Hurrianthen edit .chroot to point to /dev/mmcblk1p114:20
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FIQ|n900so let's see here14:20
FIQ|n900I can install the img file, then dd it to /dev/mmcblk1p1, then do what you said?14:22
Hurrianugh. honeycomb's task switcher is confusing.14:23
FIQ|n900Hm, but what about if I want to use all the space in the card??14:23
FIQ|n900Make an ext2fs manually and just cp -r everything?14:23
Hurriandd it to mmcblk114:23
FIQ|n900would that work?14:23
Hurrianit's a blkdev anyways14:23
Hurriannot like linux would care14:24
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Hurrianjust remove mmc1 from genfstab14:24
Hurriandd if=ezdeb.ext2.img of=/dev/mmcblk114:25
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Hurrian@macer not like they care once the money's changed hands, really14:28
Hurrianalso, not like they're obligated to14:28
Hurrianthat's why it's handy to have an unlocked bootloader14:29
Hurrianthe corps dont really give a rat's ass about support14:29
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Hurriansame is true for almost every other hw manufacturer14:29
Hurrianbrb switching to desktop14:30
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Macerat least n900 owners can  say they have the latest maemo?14:36
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ruskieMacer, latest and last ;)14:46
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sp3000Hurrian: tbh I'd mostly expect it to be a matter of whichever party deals with end-users, being risk-averse14:54
sp3000and minimizing supported configurations14:55
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sp3000so I'd wager on portfolio breadth, and the number/influence of timid business layers between makers and users15:01
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sp3000a certain produce-oriented outfit compared to in the article has taken the approach of apparently minimizing both, so being able to dtrt is not so surprising15:04
sp3000with android I don't suppose it works out that way ;)15:04
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luke-jrMacer: I'd hope Maemo users know to not trust Nokia by now :P15:49
luke-jrMaemo 5 failed to ever deliver on even the basic features, thanks to Nokia15:49
luke-jreg, 720p video recording (or even any usable video recording really), automatic GPS updates to IM status, etc15:50
Maceri thought the video recording was ok15:51
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MohammadAGand GPS updates worked fine for me15:51
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Macerme too15:51
luke-jrMohammadAG: they die as soon as you lose connectivity, until you reboot15:52
luke-jrvideo recording drops frames like crazy15:52
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luke-jroften for whole seconds15:52
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robbiethe1stDisable tracker, solve problem!15:52
luke-jrboth of these bugs were closed WONTFIX by Nokia15:52
Maceri honestly  never had  a  problem  with the  video recording15:52
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Maceri used it often15:52
luke-jrrobbiethe1st: I haven't had tracker enabled in years15:52
robbiethe1stThen OC the damned thing?15:52
Macermost bugs were WONTFIX15:53
luke-jrit's already OC'd too much15:53
robbiethe1stI'm running mine at 1ghz+; works fine for me.15:53
luke-jrWONTFIX = acknowledged it15:53
luke-jrWONTFIX = acknowledged it's broken15:53
luke-jrrobbiethe1st: until it dies an early death15:53
Maceror that they believe it works how it is supposed to work15:53
luke-jrMacer: nope15:53
Macermy im gps updated just fine15:53
luke-jrand since it'll probably be 3 years until someone comes out with a replacement device, I need N900 to last that long15:53
robbiethe1stMy first one lasted over a year at that; until the USB port broke. If it dies early, /SO??15:54
robbiethe1stJust pick up a spare.15:54
Macerand my video recorded  just fine as well15:54
luke-jrrobbiethe1st: so you can't get a spare anymore15:54
robbiethe1stI just did, off ebay.15:54
robbiethe1stThere's plenty of them around.15:54
luke-jralso, that costs $15:54
Maceri did too15:54
DocScrutinizerMacer: nope, "believe it works like should" is INVALID, not WONTFIX15:54
luke-jrI don't want to waste $ on a defective product15:54
Macer255 on ebay15:54
MacerDocScrutinizer: ah ok15:54
luke-jrI just hope some Android phone is rootable to the point I can flash a vanilla Linux on it15:55
Macerluke-jr: i just ordered a new one15:55
Macerhonesttly... i want an e7 :)15:55
luke-jrMacer: WONTFIX = it's broken, but we won't take 5 minutes to fix it15:55
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Macerwas it a closed section of maemo?15:55
Macerbut i loved my   n90015:56
Macerbut alas.. my usb port broke as well15:56
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Macerthis time i am  just using a duracell mygrid microusb power clip and never touching the usb port lol15:57
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luke-jrhow to flash w/o USB? :P15:57
Macerbut the e7 actually  looks pretty nice for a symbian device15:57
Macercheap too15:58
FIQ<luke-jr> I just hope some Android phone is rootable to the point I can flash a vanilla Linux on it15:58
FIQ<luke-jr> :/15:58
robbiethe1stPersonally, I'm being careful with my new one until I can pull it apart and solder the top of the port to the surrounding metal framework.15:58
FIQcoouldn't you flash some old WP6.5 phones with pretty much whatever you wanted?15:58
robbiethe1stAlso, flashing without USB? we have BM and USB testpoints for a reason.15:58
FIQIIRC someone flashed ubuntu mobile onto an Xperia X115:58
luke-jrMacer: pretty sure that Duracell thing won't work on N90015:58
FIQ(yes, old, i know, but still, there's possibilities :P)15:58
luke-jrMacer: looks like it blocks against the lens15:58
luke-jrFIQ: old = old15:59
FIQmy point is, it works, on some devices15:59
FIQwouldn't be suprised if you could do this to pretty new devices as well15:59
luke-jrthe hard part is the DRM crap15:59
luke-jrand they conveniently ignore the GPL15:59
luke-jranyhow, bbl16:00
maourHI, i need bzip2 package on my N900 device, maemo pr1.3 , it is on "Fremantle SDK free i386"  repository  , how should i add this to my catalogues? i  mean web address , distribution and components?16:00
FIQmaour: protip: don't16:01
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maourFIQ: i didn't get it, what do you mean ?16:02
FIQDON'T do it16:03
maouri need bzip2 , then how to do it16:03
FIQin the best case you get many broken packages16:03
FIQworst: gz, you have to reflash16:03
maouri want to install nitdroid16:04
maourso i need bzip2 , should i download it's deb package and install it manually ?16:04
DocScrutinizerthe pkgs from i386 repo usually run umm... suboptimal on N90016:04
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maourthen should i try with this one ? > Maemo 5 device SSU repository (>= PR1.2)16:05
FIQlol, I didn't even realise that i386 wouldn't work at all :P16:05
FIQbut what i told still stands - don't don't don't DON'T do it16:05
maouri just need that package ,16:05
FIQok maour, look16:05
FIQ1: N900 can't run i386 packages, it's an armel device16:06
FIQ2: I'm sure you can manage bzip packages with packages in the "normal" repositories16:06
FIQbut i'm not an package database :p16:06
DocScrutinizerI got bzip2 on my N900, quite likely from some pkg like e.g binutils or dunno what16:06
FIQdoesn't even busybox come with bzip2?16:08
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy bzip216:08
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 1:1.0.5-3+0m516:08
DocScrutinizer  Candidate: 1:1.0.5-3+0m516:08
DocScrutinizer  Version table:16:08
DocScrutinizer *** 1:1.0.5-3+0m5 016:08
DocScrutinizer        500 ./ Packages16:08
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# busybox bzip2 --help16:09
DocScrutinizerbzip2: applet not found16:09
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FIQI just ran "busybox"16:09
FIQand in that command list, bzip2 existed16:09
FIQhmmm, wait16:10
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FIQi have the busybox-power package, or whatever it was named16:10
FIQthat installed a newer version of busybox16:10
FIQright :p16:10
DocScrutinizermaour: apt-cache search bzip216:10
FIQ|n900BusyBox v1.19.2 (Debian 1.19.2power1) multi-call binary.16:10
DocScrutinizeronly reason messybox got not nuked off my device to next galaxy is I suspect sysinit will still need it16:11
FIQRarely uses it, changed my default shell to bash16:12
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FIQbut at least it's more useful than the maemo version16:12
infobotFIQ meant: but at least it's more useful than the vanilla version16:12
maoursorry , i don't undrestand repositories! i have extra-devel but what is this ? Fremantle Extras-devel free armel16:13
DocScrutinizerwhich was enough of good reason for me to not replace it16:13
DocScrutinizeragain rgarding initscripts16:13
maourcomponents? which i have free and non-free on my catalogues16:13
DocScrutinizererr yup16:14
maourit seems there isn't any entry named armel !16:14
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DocScrutinizerarmel looks odd, no idea where from you got that16:14
FIQmaybe from: [15:04:27] <FIQ> 1: N900 can't run i386 packages, it's an armel device16:15
FIQmaour: what do you expect from NITDroid?16:15
maourto install android on my device16:16
FIQdon't expect it to be your main OS of use16:16
DocScrutinizeryeah, no support available from me for nitdroid16:16
maouri just want to test my Qt apps on android :)16:16
FIQit's slow, slow and er, did i forgot.. slow!16:16
maourbetter than buying an android device16:16
DocScrutinizerand multiboot is so.... *beeep*16:16
maouri have meego right now16:17
maourdual boot16:17
FIQmaour: use the emulator16:17
FIQin android SDK16:17
mr_jrtThey still not fixed nitdroid to use uboot yet?16:17
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FIQit's slow, but better than NITDroid16:17
FIQwhat's wrong with multiboot?16:17
FIQnot that i use any of them, just wondering :P16:17
DocScrutinizermaour: meego dualboot is sth completely different than multiboot used by nitdridiot16:17
infoboti heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED16:18
FIQlet's get GRUB on the device!16:18
DocScrutinizerwe got u-boot on the device16:18
DocScrutinizergrub is not exactly suited for the arm NAND boot architecture16:19
FIQi was joking16:19
DocScrutinizerand u-boot is what meego uses16:19
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FIQspeaking of u-boot, how does it store boot priority?16:19
DocScrutinizerwhile multiboot is **falshing a new kernel** :-O on each boot16:20
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FIQsounds... wrong16:20
FIQi was pretty tired of it having MeeGo as default choose (probably due to it looking in the SD card after something bootable before looking /boot in the NAND, but i didn't have any idea of how to change it16:20
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FIQof course you could cancel the timer and do "run noloboot"16:21
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FIQbut being able to change the defaults would make me more happy to keep u-boot and meego :p16:21
DocScrutinizerit's looking to uSD and there for a special file named /boot/bootmenu or whatever, and if that file esists it will read it and use the settings in there afaik16:21
FIQeven some nice menu like the one GRUB uses would be fine for me16:22
DocScrutinizercheck that file16:23
DocScrutinizerafaik you can have menu16:23
FIQif only I can find my DS...16:24
FIQ(what, don't you like my way of storing my SD card somewhere outside n900?)16:24
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robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer, know much about ad-hoc networking and the N900?
DocScrutinizernot really16:31
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: esp since I read sth about that redmond borne virus there in this post16:34
robbiethe1stSee, that's my problem if nothing else is. But I can't change that computer /too/ much, as it's not technically mine...16:35
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Juozapasi sent sms to wrong number which not exist and now i received messages from my operator that this number not exist non-stop. I think it's because my n900 try to send that message again and again and again. how can i stop it ?16:52
DocScrutinizerI don't think it should resend16:52
DocScrutinizeranyway wait a minute, I'll look up for you where outbox for SMS is cached16:53
Juozapask, thx16:53
DocScrutinizer /var/spool/sms/outgoing16:54
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DocScrutinizerbackground info:
Juozapask thx16:55
MohammadAGwatching the sunset in class is something I'd like to do everyday :/16:55
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DocScrutinizerJuozapas: >>...check to see if /var/spool/sms/regs_out.txt contains an entry. If you haven't sent any other SMSes, it's a safe bet that this message scheduled to go out is the one produced by [...] <your invalid destination number SMS> <<16:57
jabisMohammadAG: which class are you attending to that steals your free tiem x)16:58
JuozapasDocScrutinizer: yeah, there is an entry there16:58
Juozapas i have to remove it ?16:59
DocScrutinizermy dir is completely empty16:59
DocScrutinizerso probably it's save to #> mv /var/spool/sms/outgoing/* ~/mySMSbackup16:59
DocScrutinizerso probably it's save to #> mv /var/spool/sms/outgoing/* ~/mySMSbackup/17:00
Juozapask i will try17:00
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DocScrutinizerless /var/spool/sms/regs_out.txt shows one line here, though I got no SMS problems17:01
DocScrutinizer>>If the SMS cannot be sent (no balance on SIM card, no network coverage), the SMS may still be on the phone waiting to be sent. You can check to see if there are any files in /var/spool/sms/outgoing and check to see if /var/spool/sms/regs_out.txt contains an entry. If you haven't sent any other SMSes, it's a safe bet that this message scheduled to go out is the one produced by Cherry. Removing the file in /var/spool/sms/outgoing and the17:03
DocScrutinizerentry from regs_out.txt is safe, but make a backup just in case.<<17:03
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DocScrutinizerand... you may want to go to flight mode to accomplish this task :-D17:04
Juozapasyeah, i just skip pin code17:05
Juozapasso no connection to operator17:05
DocScrutinizerthen reboot after you removed the cruft17:05
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DocScrutinizerbash your operator for sending back an inappropriate NAK msg17:06
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DocScrutinizerthere've been cases where here in Germany some guys had a 50k of SMs on their bill, due to that17:07
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Juozapashow can I avoid that ?17:07
DocScrutinizerblame your operator17:08
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DocScrutinizeror maybe blame Nokia, if you're really the first one to run into a bug in maemo-SMS stack17:08
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DocScrutinizerI honestly doubt that's a bug in Maemo17:08
DocScrutinizerI might test eventually17:09
DocScrutinizerfor sure your SMS dispatcher shall stop NAKing same msg after a certain timeout17:09
Juozapasok, i removed entry from regs_out.txt and and moved /var/spool/sms/outgoing17:10
DocScrutinizerbut I think they send an outright wrong response code17:10
DocScrutinizererr, don't mopve the whole dir, just the content17:10
Juozapasbut it's stupid that they take money even if the number is wrong17:10
DocScrutinizeryes, there are a number of stupidities in that, none of which they can keep up on court17:11
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DocScrutinizerif they take money, they must not NAK, as evidently a SMS that costs money is a valid SMS17:12
DocScrutinizerNAK is only when transmission TO them failed17:12
DocScrutinizermeaning "please resend, couldn't read you"17:12
DocScrutinizerand even this MUST stop after max say 100 tries17:13
Juozapasok, looks like it helped17:13
DocScrutinizernow have a nice phonecall to some hotline for a but of shouting17:14
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Juozapaslooks like i moved all dir /var/spool/sms/outgoing17:16
DocScrutinizermkdir /var/spool/sms/outgoing17:16
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -ld /var/spool/sms/outgoing17:17
DocScrutinizerdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 2011-10-29 00:48 /var/spool/sms/outgoing17:17
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DocScrutinizerroot; mkdir /var/spool/sms/outgoing; chmod 755 /var/spool/sms/outgoing17:19
Juozapasyeah thx17:19
Juozapasit already in right permissions17:19
Juozapasi dont need to make chmod17:19
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FIQI buyed my phone march 2009, I don't know exactly what warranty I got, but say it lasted 1½ year. Then, it breaks (yay microUSB port problem) and I got a brand new N900. What happens with the warranty then? I guess it still counts from my first N900, or would it renew itself?17:27
FIQI guess it's the first, but I don't know how warranties work :D17:27
SpeedEvilIt's the first17:27
FIQYeah, like i thought then17:27
SpeedEvilNokia now has my n900.17:28
SpeedEvil(USB fell off, touchscreen died, 2g modem was dodgy.17:28
SpeedEvilThe USB fallin goff was my fault.17:28
SpeedEvilAnd I would not have returned it for that.17:29
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FIQhm, so you have no N900 now?17:30
SpeedEvilI have a backup one.17:30
SpeedEvilIf I don't manage to get a n9 from my watranty repair - which I doubt - I'll probably uif I can't get a repaired n900, be doing the sell on ebay + buy new thing.17:32
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JuozapasDocScrutinizer: is it normal that i still have entry in regs_out.txt?17:36
DocScrutinizerwell, I have an entry in this file, yes17:36
Juozapask, thx17:36
DocScrutinizerfriggin winter time :-/17:39
* SpeedEvil breaths out, and does not quite see frost.17:41
SpeedEvilThis means it's >10.5C or so.17:42
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DocScrutinizerbut it's going dark here while we have 17:0018:01
DocScrutinizer10.5°C at my window :-D18:02
DocScrutinizerto the digit18:02
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KaffeeJunky123Hello, I'm trying to stream from my n900s cam to my computer using this little gstreamer script but I only recive very dark images, any ideas what might be wrong?18:54
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ruskiebad lighting?18:56
dm8tbrlid closed? ;)18:56
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KaffeeJunky123dm8tbr: I'm using the front cam to test atm, and I can see my rooms light18:59
KaffeeJunky123dm8tbr: same issue with the front cam and an open lid18:59
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KaffeeJunky123okay I've just used a xvidimagesink to debug the issue19:05
KaffeeJunky123and it looks like the signal I get from the v4l2src is bad to begin with19:05
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freemangordonyou should use v4l2camsrc19:06
freemangordonand it is xvimagesink19:07
KaffeeJunky123freemangordon: yes that was a typo :)19:07
KaffeeJunky123freemangordon: but I did type it correctly in the shell, I'll check the v4l2camsrc19:07
freemangordonbut you camerasource is incorrect19:07
KaffeeJunky123same issue with v4l2camsrc19:09
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M4rtinKFYI, modRana V0.29 is out, go get it from Extras-devel while it's hot! :)21:06
KaffeeJunky123what is modRana?21:06
KaffeeJunky123why would I want it?21:07
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KaffeeJunky123and why do I want it without knowing what it is?!21:07
MohammadAGneed some kind of silent alarm21:07
KaffeeJunky123if an alarm is silent, how are you supposed to hear it?21:07
DocScrutinizergood point :-D21:08
M4rtinKviral marketing :)21:08
M4rtinKmodRana is a GPS navigation system21:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: dunno what you're after, but I guess alarmed can do it no matter what21:08
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KaffeeJunky123could extra-devel be responsible for breaking my gstreamer-tools?21:09
DocScrutinizerno, actually *I* ate them21:09
KaffeeJunky123M4rtinK: online or offline?21:10
MohammadAGKaffeeJunky123, Vibra or something21:10
M4rtinKit does online routing, voice navigation, online address/POI/Wikipedia search, map overlay support, efficient tile storage, POI database, track logging, etc. :)21:10
MohammadAGI need a way to wake up early without waking up my roommates21:10
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M4rtinKKaffeeJunky123: routing is currently online through Google Directions21:10
KaffeeJunky123M4rtinK: do you plan to add support for local routing daemons?21:11
KaffeeJunky123there's one for maemo, I can't remember the name though21:11
M4rtinKyep, offline routing using Monav (already used by Marble) is a work in progress :)21:11
KaffeeJunky123marble has a funky interface though21:12
KaffeeJunky123entering routing points is a pain21:12
KaffeeJunky123maybe because it's global routing by default :P21:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: alarmed -t mon:07:30 -E "dbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request string:PatternIncomingCall"21:13
M4rtinKyeah, IMO its interface is a bit too complicated for what it does21:14
KaffeeJunky123and it doesn't offer a proper touch interface21:15
KaffeeJunky123so you can't use it for serious in car navigation21:15
M4rtinKbut I really like how it handles the routing data for Monav - they have it hosted on a server somewhere and the user just selects a which country to download and everything is handled automatically21:15
MohammadAGthat's why i bought an iPod21:16
MohammadAGI really want waze on the N9/5021:16
M4rtinKKaffeeJunky123: well, then check out the modRana interface and tell ma what you think about it :)21:16
DocScrutinizerlearn to find your way without navi! ;-P21:16
DocScrutinizerwill come in handy on next mega solar storm21:17
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KaffeeJunky123DocScrutinizer: I only use navigation in towns that I don't have a map of and it pretty much does its job there21:18
DocScrutinizerplus you even have a way to contact chicks and ask for the way ;-P21:18
KaffeeJunky123I don't like driving with turn by turn navigation at all21:18
KaffeeJunky123Yeah, ride the family car and hook up with some chicks, that's a nice plan21:18
MohammadAGi like knowing where there's a speed trap21:18
MohammadAGI'm responsible and all, but being a new driver my foot might slip a bit more on the gas21:19
KaffeeJunky123I just keep with the limits21:19
KaffeeJunky123they're mostly sane in germany though21:19
MohammadAGKaffeeJunky123, 70 on a 5 lane road is sad21:19
MohammadAGkmph, not miles21:19
DocScrutinizerKaffeeJunky123: so teach your kids to do it ;-)21:19
MohammadAGso I go 140 there21:19
KaffeeJunky123what the21:20
DocScrutinizerone asking for the way, the other one lifting the purse meanwhile21:20
KaffeeJunky123are you talking about straight 5 lane roads?21:20
KaffeeJunky123god I love german motor ways, especially those without speed limit21:20
jacekowskiKaffeeJunky123: have you ever been there?21:21
DocScrutinizerIsrael, land of the living pedestrian's nightmare21:21
KaffeeJunky123jacekowski: where?21:21
DocScrutinizerother folks got pavements, Israel got highways to each door21:21
jacekowskiin germany21:21
KaffeeJunky123no, I only live there21:21
jacekowskiwell, i've had a chance to see those motorways21:22
jacekowskiit's nice untill some moron drives too fast and has an accident21:22
jacekowskiand blocks motorway for few hours21:22
jacekowskior somebody changes lane in front of you21:22
KaffeeJunky123oh well that happens21:22
DocScrutinizeryou have to learn to deal with that21:22
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, pedestrians don't belong on such roads :p21:22
MohammadAGand there are no pedestrians on it21:22
DocScrutinizeraccidentsa completely blocking highways are actually rather rarae21:23
MohammadAGI got up to 200kmph once21:23
KaffeeJunky123I once almost had an accident because of a truck switching lanes without looking21:23
SpeedEvilBlocking motorways technically - no.21:23
KaffeeJunky123and a tard in an SUV was driving on the lane left to me21:23
SpeedEvilBlocking motorways due to the cleanup needing to close the road for safety is fairly common21:23
MohammadAGCar speedometer has 260 as max21:24
KaffeeJunky123and that idiot managed to lock me in for quite some time21:24
DocScrutinizerand for the idiot before you suddenly changing to left lane, you have to either go slower, or stop living, or learn to anticipate that21:24
KaffeeJunky123I was ofc breaking to lower my speed21:24
KaffeeJunky123and that dude left to me hit his break too <_<21:24
KaffeeJunky123so I almost got squeezed in between an SUV and a truck21:25
MohammadAGpeople can be retarded21:25
KaffeeJunky123gladly the SUV driver found his gas again soon enough21:25
MohammadAGwas on an 80kmph road once driving normally21:25
MohammadAGand the car in front of brakes and stops21:25
KaffeeJunky123had to hump him off his lane though21:25
MohammadAGso I fully pressed the brake and turned right21:25
MohammadAGhit my mirror on his car21:26
MohammadAGluckily, both were white, so meh21:26
KaffeeJunky123you normally should be able to break in time21:26
MohammadAGnot when he stops out of nowhere21:26
KaffeeJunky123or were his breaklights broken?21:26
MohammadAGKaffeeJunky123, it's like a highway21:26
MohammadAGyou don't stop on a highway21:27
KaffeeJunky123usually you don't21:27
MohammadAGoh yeah, speaking of broken lights21:27
MohammadAGwas driving on a dark road yesterday21:27
KaffeeJunky123I can imagine your story :o21:27
KaffeeJunky123omg I always turn every channel into ot talk sorry guys21:28
DocScrutinizerI bet Israel is one of the insane countries that have lights all the way down each motorway21:28
SpeedEvilWell - you're not interrupting the vibrant flow of dev-chat.21:28
SpeedEvilWell - israel is about four miles across.21:28
DocScrutinizerlol, east-west yes21:29
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MohammadAGand there was a car with NO lights21:30
MohammadAGalmost hit it, its paint was matte21:30
MohammadAGlight didn't reflect off of it21:30
MohammadAGluckily I noticed it and went to the right lane21:30
MohammadAGI'm thinking of changing my car's colour21:30
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, roads in Israeli areas are epic21:30
MohammadAGareas between Israeli and Arab places, not so much21:30
DocScrutinizernah, they need to dissipate all the excess electric energy that's created during plutonium production X-P21:31
DocScrutinizerso it's just fine to place a lantern every 50m on each highway21:32
DocScrutinizerjapan and taiwan do same21:32
MohammadAGXenon lights are annoying21:33
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MohammadAGshould be illegal imo21:33
KaffeeJunky123yes they should21:33
KaffeeJunky123you almost get blindfolded by those...21:33
DocScrutinizeryou never seen the 300W halogen incandescent of one of my former cars21:34
DocScrutinizerthose were blinding the xenon lights themselves21:34
DocScrutinizeractually a *good* xenon is better than incandescent21:35
DocScrutinizerit's just they buld them in a really annoying way, with tiny aperture and poor focus21:36
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ThreeM2000 Lumen Bike Lights are annoying too.... for the car driver ;)21:38
DocScrutinizeroh yeah21:38
DocScrutinizermy next car will get LAZORS21:38
jacekowskiwhat about LAZERZ21:39
DocScrutinizeror just a microwave pulse canon21:39
jacekowskihmm, that would be cool21:39
DocScrutinizerswith off those xenon and other electronics of the annoying other cars remotely ;-P21:39
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jacekowskihmm, how viable would it be to get big microwave owen21:40
jacekowskidismantle it21:40
DocScrutinizerno problem21:40
DocScrutinizerit's a vacuum electron valve basically - extremely pulse resistant21:40
DocScrutinizeroperate it from a 20kV capacitor rather than a 800V transformator21:41
jacekowski800V transformer is ok21:41
DocScrutinizershould survive several dozen or even q00s of shots21:41
DocScrutinizer800V transformer is what your microwave ofen comes with21:42
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DocScrutinizer100uF 20.000V, gas spark switch21:43
DocScrutinizeror simply a cascade21:43
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DocScrutinizerdisclaimer: this is all mere handwaving ;-D21:48
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DocScrutinizerbut actually military is using similar technology to freeze mines along the road, in Afghanistan and Iraq21:50
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DocScrutinizera few magnitudes more powerful devices are powered by fission bombs21:51
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you don't want to boil the electronics, so you don't need seconds and minutes of 700W. You need a sub-ms surge of several tens of kW to some MW22:29
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DocScrutinizernavy radar like the one of aegis (weapon system) work in the 600MW range and this frequently causes trouble for camera teams shooting footage on those ships22:32
DocScrutinizeroops, 6 MW, not 60022:33
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DocScrutinizerhmm, hardly any hit for TPAC in silicon valley23:46
DocScrutinizerneither for weapon systems with this acronym23:46
DocScrutinizer~wtf tpac23:46
infobotGee...  I don't know what tpac means...23:46
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