IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-10-29

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messertingtuho: "confirmed", like from some random guy at irc? :)01:13
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drifterHello, my is:01:39
ErwinJungedrifter: what?01:40
ErwinJungeOk, good night then.01:41
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javispedrothis reminds me that #maemo is soon to surpass #meego again in users, talk about weird stuff.02:01
SpeedEvilBarking mad.02:01
MohammadAGZogG, pong02:02
MohammadAGjavispedro, my N950 may be arriving this year after all, start working on that library :p02:03
javispedroyou got your machine gun?02:03
MohammadAGnah, better02:03
MohammadAGa car with gas02:03
javispedrobut how are you planning to leave the car before crashing it into the post office?02:04
MohammadAGjavispedro, should give an idea02:04
javispedrofor some reason (don't ask) I was hearing "trololo" song02:05
javispedromatches nicely with the gif02:05
javispedronah nah nah nah..02:05
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DocScrutinizertrololo song? youtube link please :-D04:07
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merlin1991that's not trololo, this is trololo: :D04:32
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SpeedEvil'Some highlights of Marco’s presentation: - Nokia Store now offers more than 900,000 apps.'05:09
SpeedEvilI guess this is counting an app on a hundred near-identical phones a hundred times?05:09
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, and all of those blog links?05:29
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woldrichguys...why is there no git in the repos? or am I missing yet another one11:46
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kakashi__my lockscreen seems to not work14:08
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psycho_oreosstandard one or that qt based?14:10
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kakashi__psycho_oreos: either of them14:14
kakashi__the screen and keys are just not getting locked14:14
psycho_oreoskakashi__, weird, my guess is that there's a program preventing that from happening, or even potentially with a setting14:15
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psycho_oreoshave you tried to lock screen manually?14:15
kakashi__I have, the thing is nothing works14:15
kakashi__actually I apt-get removed most of the lockscreen applications14:16
psycho_oreostry to recall what you did last that could have potentially caused this to happen14:16
kakashi__simply because there were clashes14:16
kakashi__what is the main application which locks the screen?14:16
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kakashi__psycho_oreos: any idea what triggers screen lock14:18
psycho_oreosI wouldn't know that off the top of my head but I can do a check I suppose14:18
AlmightyOatmealpsycho_oreos: <314:19
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* jonwil is very pleased about the performance/functionality of his replacement operator name widget with Cell Broadcast SMS functionality14:27
psycho_oreoshmm no luck, thought I could find the process easily14:27
AlmightyOatmealjonwil: ?14:28
jonwilI ran another test today and its working pretty good14:28
AlmightyOatmealpsycho_oreos: checked ps while locked via ssh? find / -name lock?14:28
jonwilThe way the stock lockscreen works is that MCE sends a message over dbus to the systemui daemon14:28
jonwiland then one of the plugins for that daemon actually implements the lockscreen14:28
AlmightyOatmealwell there you go.14:29
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jonwilthere is which I think is the screen lock14:30
jonwiland libsystemuiplugin_tklock which is the slide-to-unlock14:30
jonwildevlock being the keycode lock I think14:30
psycho_oreosAlmightyOatmeal, I checked ps, top, htop. I've even checked the contents of power menu (because mine is hacked and I do recall lock screen function was mentioned, so I thought it would directly call the binary. Contrary to all that it doesn't)14:31
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jonwilthe power key menu also seems to be a systemui plugin14:31
psycho_oreosahh, I was trying to look for the binary osso-powerup-shutdown which doesn't exist14:32
kakashi__how do reinstall these14:33
psycho_oreosyeah that does explain it14:33
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jonwilyeah I can confirm that tklock is the slide-to-unlock14:34
jonwilI posted enough information for someone to replace the tklock plugin to the mailing list a while back14:34
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* psycho_oreos is searching for the deb file containing that shared object14:36
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kakashi__psycho_oreos: thanks a lot man14:38
jonwiltry osso-systemui, osso-systemui-actingdead, osso-systemui-alarm, osso-systemui-conf, osso-systemui-devlock, osso-systemui-emergency, osso-systemui-modechange, osso-systemui-powerkeymenu, osso-systemui-splashscreen and osso-systemui-tklock14:41
jonwilThose are the packages for the systemui stuff14:42
jonwilosso-systemui-tklock seems like the answer14:42
kakashi__will check in a couple of mins14:43
jonwilyeah those are all the plugins you need for that14:43
jonwilIts a pitty its all closed :(14:43
psycho_oreosheh thanks to jonwil for posting that, or otherwise the searching would have taken longer, even with my custom oneliner script14:43
jonwilI have a n900 filesystem dump on my disk14:44
jonwiland regularly do full text searches of either the whole tree14:44
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jonwilor another folder I have containing just the ELF binaries14:44
jonwilthe latter being for when I want to find "everything that links to" or "everything that calls blah"14:45
psycho_oreosI don't have a setup like that heh, I'm pretty much using SSH and scripting away sometimes with even oneliner commands14:45
psycho_oreoslike this: for i in `dpkg -l osso-systemui*| grep ii| awk '{ print $2 }'`; do echo "----------------" && echo $i && echo "---------------------" && dpkg -L $i| grep; done14:46
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psycho_oreosjonwil, Re: cell broadcast SMS, does that tell you the cell tower name? or something else I'm gathering?14:54
jonwilit will display any tower name the tower is sending on channel 5014:55
jonwilnot all networks send those messages14:55
psycho_oreoshmm I'm tempted to give that a try on mine, I'm with crazy johns which is part of VHA14:55
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strannik1Are you guys hard core n900 users? :) or n9 users?14:57
strannik1Because meego is like a cross between meego and maemo14:57
psycho_oreosn9 users mainly lurk in #harmattan :þ along with `special' n950 users14:58
strannik1I mean harmattan *14:58
strannik1Hehe fair enough14:58
psycho_oreosand here comes that age old debate again about harmattan14:58
jacekowskibtw. have you seen nokia lumia14:58
psycho_oreosyeah, its rubbish14:58
strannik1Nah , sort of . Not interested by wp714:59
jacekowskiwp7 may pick up14:59
jacekowskims can spend a lot on marketing14:59
jonwilI think what I will do for the cell broadcast SMS stuff is to add a full set of logging (and a control panel option to turn on/off said logging)14:59
strannik1They should have given some phones out to celebrities first14:59
jonwiland then turn the logging on14:59
psycho_oreos1) its not linux, 2) it's design is similar to N9 which is a further attempt to mock N9, 3) the windows logo look ghey, period14:59
jonwiland run a huge test passing through as many different cells as possible15:00
jonwilto catch a nice big log15:00
jonwilwhich will tell me if what I am getting in the logs match up what I should be seeing15:00
psycho_oreosand I couldn't care less if wp7/mango picks up the market or if it dominated/superseded iOS/android15:01
woldrichwhat's wp7/mango ?15:01
psycho_oreoswp7 = windows phone 7, mango = some prototype naming used for wp8 probably15:02
MohammadAGsomething you shouldn't speak of here15:02
MohammadAGI thought mango was 7.5 though15:02
psycho_oreosnfi :) I couldn't care less like I said15:02
jonwilyeah mango is 7.515:02
jonwilI refuse to use Windows Phone15:02
psycho_oreossame here15:02
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woldrichoh, so its possible to get bluescreens on phones now as well?15:02
MohammadAGI thought they replaced the useful info with a :(15:03
psycho_oreosand in the time of need, you get a bsod on a phone.. very handy indeed :)15:03
psycho_oreosmaybe it'll be no longer an excuse to come to work late when your alarm clock fails to wake you up because it has bsod and you're running failphone.. err winphone15:03
woldrichno one will ever came up with something better than this
_trinemaybe it should be called mangeo15:05
kakashi__thanks a jonwil and psycho_oreos it the lockscreen works now15:08
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kakashi__the only problem that I have is, the qtlockscreen after locking the screen, when the powerbutton is pressed, it just shows the the qtlockscreen theme and gets back - I didn't even need to click anything15:12
kakashi__can this be stopped?15:12
psycho_oreospowerkey menu probably missing? though I thought you got rid of that15:13
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kakashi__psycho_oreos: I insalled osso-systemui-tklock15:14
kakashi__and it solved the issue of locking the screen15:15
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psycho_oreoskakashi__, I meant qtlockscreen15:15
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kakashi__psycho_oreos: I did, but I reinstalled it just now15:16
kakashi__psycho_oreos: what is better? qtlockscreen or enhanced lockscreen15:17
psycho_oreoskakashi__, well I don't have any experience with qtlockscreen, I'm only using the standard lockscreen15:17
jonwilsomeone should write a proper lockscreen replacement that genuinely replaces the standard lockscreen :)15:18
* kakashi__ nods 15:18
kakashi__actually I hate the native lockscreen module15:19
jonwilI posted all the information required to do that to the mailing list before15:19
kakashi__jonwil: link please15:19
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jonwilThats all the technical info someone with the right programming skills would need to know15:21
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StrannikHey again15:29
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strannik1So any of you got a n9 yet?15:29
hiemanshustrannik1: #n915:29
MohammadAGseriously? another channel?15:29
strannik1But n9 is maemo+qt15:30
MohammadAGwe never had #n900 #maemo5 #fremantle15:30
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MohammadAG#meego #harmattan #maemo are enough15:30
strannik1Grr , i hate how the community is splitting appart15:30
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: see the topic in #harmattan15:30
hiemanshu#N9 is end user support apparently15:30
MohammadAGhiemanshu, doesn't change the fact it's another channel15:30
psycho_oreosand I thought #harmattan was channel for N9/N95015:31
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: we also never had #maemo users asking "how would I install nosmoke.exe to N9?"15:31
hiemanshu#harmattan is a dev channel15:31
MohammadAGno one said that15:32
hiemanshusee the /topic :P15:32
strannik1Yea so do the n950 people get their own channel?15:32
MohammadAG* Topic for #harmattan is: A place for harmattan device and development discussion15:32
MohammadAGDevice AND Development15:32
MohammadAGstrannik1, I hope not15:32
hiemanshuyeah, and end user is in #N915:32
MohammadAGthe end user has a device15:33
MohammadAG#harmattan's the place for that15:33
hiemanshuI didn't do it, don't blame/ask me :D15:33
DocScrutinizerto keep #harmattan focused on harmattan development ?15:33
MohammadAGit's not like we're a team of 24/7 elite hackers15:33
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strannik1What if i managed to delete the qt, and other harmattan components of an n915:34
strannik1Turning it into a pseudo maemo device15:35
strannik1Where would i talk about that?15:35
jonwilyou cant15:35
strannik1In the pseudo maemo # channel?15:35
DocScrutinizersure not, but 5 "normal" users in a vivid discussion about the benefits and cons of magenta case might well reduce the S/N of #harmattan to a point where the rather complex themes of harmattan (system) development become umbearable to follow15:35
DocScrutinizerstrannik1: that's a topic that15:36
DocScrutinizer's ok for #armattan15:36
DocScrutinizer#harmattan even15:36
jonwilto my mind, #harmattan should be for dev and technical discussion of the N9/N950, #maemo should be for dev and technical discussion of the N900, #meego-arm should be for discussion of pure meego on all 3 devices and #n9 should be for people who just bought a N9 and want to talk about it15:36
strannik1Ok fair enough .. Makes sense15:37
DocScrutinizerand we're not strict about it, just a rule of thumb to get the most out of IRC for everybody15:38
psycho_oreosmore like #maemo should be for dev and technical discussion of maemo devices (N900, N810, N800 and 770)15:38
hiemanshuMohammadAG: now please, *WHY* it :P15:38
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: god point15:38
strannik1I was just a little a put off when i joined #meego and people wouldnt talk about harmattan. I think meego, harmattan and maemo can all profit from each other15:38
psycho_oreoseven the its relatively minor point update to jonwil's initial point15:39
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DocScrutinizerstrannik1: no, more often than not they tend to interfere15:39
psycho_oreosharmattan fyi is quite different to meego, in terms of package management difference being a major point15:40
DocScrutinizerthe answer to s simple question can be completely different depending on whether you ask it in #maemo, #harmattan, or #meego(-arm)15:40
strannik1This is a problem with linux unix operating systems in general15:41
psycho_oreosand include #maemo-ssu if you're using CSSU15:41
strannik1Even though packages would have changed between similair distros15:41
DocScrutinizerand users *never* place a [context: harmattan] tag at head of the questions they ask15:41
strannik1... Actually true , the channels are good as they are15:42
MohammadAGthen what's #maemo-dev for?15:42
MohammadAGoff topic?15:42
DocScrutinizer#maemo-dev been dead for > 1 year15:42
psycho_oreosI thought that was dead heh15:42
DocScrutinizerdunno about #mer15:43
DocScrutinizer#n9 /topic: >>N9 users meet here to chat about screen protectors, best offers, flashing, hippest apps etc. Basically all the things that are not development related. Developers will want to join #harmattan.<<15:44
DocScrutinizerany critics?15:44
jabisthe trouble is finding the correct context to vent out your questions - there should an wiki-page about different channels and their topics for easy integration to the community15:45
DocScrutinizerfor now it's more like a "linked list" of topics15:45
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DocScrutinizerif your IRC client doesn't show topic by default, you might feel like it's a bit cumbersome :-D15:47
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_trineis there any other phone with similar or better specs that runs linux in a similar way to the N90015:48
psycho_oreosfar less activity in #n9 compared to #harmattan, I wonder how long would new n9 owners last in #n9 before finding out the boredom of idling in there before joining #harmattan15:49
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psycho_oreosN900 is not a phone15:51
strannik1There is no spoon15:51
strannik1There is no phone15:51
_trinepsycho_oreos, oh no I forgot its something stick up your bum hoping it vibrates now and again15:52
_trineof course its a phone and other things too15:52
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jabisDocScrutinizer: I'd like to investigate prior opening dozens of channels that _could_ be related x)15:52
psycho_oreos_trine, if you find N900 useful for that purposes then by all means do it15:52
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: _trine, if you find N900 useful for that purpose then by all means do it15:52
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_trinepsycho_oreos, can you provide one of your written guides as to the best way to do it?15:53
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psycho_oreos_trine, I was pointing that towards you, don't try to push that back onto me for I have better uses with N900 rather than sticking up into a cavity space15:54
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_trinepsycho_oreos, and its clear you have personal experiences to might like to share with the rest of us15:55
psycho_oreos_trine, look who is talking15:55
_trinewe're not homophobic here feel free15:55
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AlmightyOatmeal_trine: quit being a douche, you're embarassing yourself.15:55
_trineAlmightyOatmeal, sticking up for your friend now are you15:56
_trinehe started it15:56
AlmightyOatmeali read the backlog, you started it. and i don't know psycho_oreos, but i'm sick of your sick banter.15:56
_trineis life gettting too tough when he starts it and bites off more than he can chew15:56
psycho_oreos_trine, I didn't start the topic of shoving it up into one's cavity and using it as a vibrator. You're the one that referred it15:56
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: #n9 is 24h old, and N9 sales just started, not even all devels got a N9 yet. And boredom on #N9 depends on the users joining it. We seen similar parallel chans for devel/end-user for several other projects and usually everybody's fine with it and the end-user channels see a hype after some time, for some time, while the devel chan starts earlier, sustains a lower lever of users, but this for a longer time15:56
AlmightyOatmealpsycho_oreos: don't feed the trolls, their hunger is relentless.15:57
_trinepsycho_oreos, I asked a reasonable question and you decided to get smart15:57
AlmightyOatmeal_trine: stop acting like a spoiled child.15:57
_trineso that makes you a smart arse15:57
AlmightyOatmealwhich didn't give you the right to act immature.15:57
AlmightyOatmealso stop.15:57
_trineAlmightyOatmeal, if you have nothing to add please just be quiet15:58
DocScrutinizerother projects missed the end-user chan and the hype from end-users basically killed off all devel activity leaving the chan in a zombie state after end-users bewildered devels and then end users also went on15:58
jabisblech - kindergarden day @ #maemo15:58
_trineI asked a reasonable question which required if anything a reasonable answer15:58
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, *shrug* I guess time will tell though, it just seems as though #n9 is pretty dead despite the fact that I'm sure there's plenty of n9 owners out there, maybe even ex-n900 owners now with n915:58
AlmightyOatmealjabis: indeed15:58
AlmightyOatmealtrumee: you're acting unreasonably immature, you don't deserve a reasonable answer. behave or leave.15:58
_trinemy reasonable question which started the shite from psycho_oreos was15:59
AlmightyOatmeal_trine: you're acting unreasonably immature, you don't deserve a reasonable answer. behave or leave.15:59
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: again: #n9 is 24h old and never been publically announced15:59
_trineis there any other phone with similar or better specs that runs linux in a similar way to the N90015:59
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_trinenow why should that illicit crap from psycho_oreos15:59
psycho_oreosAlmightyOatmeal, its amazing to see such prejudice amongst some people thinking a simple correction could overstate one's stance is being a smartarse15:59
AlmightyOatmealpsycho_oreos: people are amusing aren't they?15:59
psycho_oreosAlmightyOatmeal, the world is never short of surprises16:00
AlmightyOatmealpsycho_oreos: indeed. i stopped asking the key question 'why' a long long time ago. seems stupidity is contageous and if i tried to figure them out i would surely fall ill16:00
_trineI have mentioned it before on this channel its full of kids with kids mentality16:01
AlmightyOatmeal_trine: and you are one to speak, HA16:01
AlmightyOatmealyou're throwing a childish tantrum because you didn't get what you wanted because you were acting like a dick. how are you not surprised by the response you're getting due to your conduct?16:02
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psycho_oreosAlmightyOatmeal, inevitable really. The level of stupidity in certain entities just cannot be measured16:02
AlmightyOatmealDocScrutinizer: i second that.16:02
_trineAlmightyOatmeal, I am not bothered about not getting an answer but stupidity form psycho_oreos will get answered16:02
DocScrutinizerin other words: please stop it now16:02
_trineDocScrutinizer, your at fault to by allowing it to go on16:03
AlmightyOatmealpsycho_oreos: my heart grows sad..16:03
DocScrutinizerthat can get fixed16:03
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_trineDocScrutinizer, you should not allow comments to be made when a reasonable question was asked16:03
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AlmightyOatmeali feel a sense of serenity once again16:04
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jonwilhmmm, I have a string suspicion my operator widget is leaking memory16:36
dm8tbrI think nowadays there is valgrind for ARM :)16:37
jonwilhmmm yeah16:37
jonwilvalgrind could help16:37
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dm8tbrdunno if someone compiled it for fremantle16:37
dm8tbrI think I've seen it for harmattan though16:37
DocScrutinizervalgrind is in tools16:38
jonwilI think finally figuring out all these connui functions has inspired me to dig deeper into reverse engineering the beast that is Fremantle :)16:43
jonwilJust not sure what to tackle next...16:44
ZogGMohammadAG, ping16:44
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jesuschristfound a n9 for 47016:45
MohammadAGZogG, pong16:45
jonwilif anyone has any specific closed source bits that would be worth reverse engineering, tell me about it :)16:46
jesuschristshould i pull the trigger?16:46
jesuschristn9 for 470 euro16:46
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zogg_laptopi remember there were few guys from Israel here? anyone remember who is it?16:47
jesuschristi was, and they crucified me :(16:47
MohammadAGcityLights and someone16:48
MohammadAGI can't remember who, but a grep for red / bezeqint will help16:48
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zogg_laptopMohammadAG: i don't have all logs16:56
luke-jrcan N900 take 2.1 amps from a charger?16:56
zogg_laptopMohammadAG: anyway i'll PM you about your n95016:56
luke-jrie, iPad chargers16:57
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Corsacjesuschrist: 16G?16:58
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jesuschristwhat do you think about the price Corsac?16:59
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ShadowJKluke-jr; as long as it's a dc voltage regulated 5V powersupply, it doesn't matter if it says 9000 amps on it17:01
luke-jrShadowJK: k17:01
ShadowJKas long as it's at least 0.5 Amp17:01
luke-jractually, weird thing recently: I was charging on a MBP and both it and N900 rebooted x.x17:02
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luke-jrShadowJK: also, happen to know what the max amps N900 will /take advantage of/?17:02
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ShadowJKabout 0.9517:02
luke-jroh? :/17:02
luke-jrI thought the stock charger did 1.5, and it can't even use that? :|17:03
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jabishrm - something wrong with my usb-port - N9 says too weak to charge17:03
luke-jrpeople actually bought N9? O.o17:04
brikjabis: might be the N9 and not the USB port, I have that problem too sometimes17:04
brikcould try closing stuff17:05
brikyes, we did :o17:05
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: no way17:05
DocScrutinizerahh, ShadowJK picked it up17:05
jabisthere isn't anything running :) just noticed it a few minutes ago (battery died during the night) that it's not charging17:05
ShadowJKtechically you can program the charger chip to 1.25A. However, the battery's max spec is 0.93A. I however tried it with mugen's brick battery which should be able to accept twice as much. There was alot of heat, so I stopped it.17:05
* luke-jr will never buy a keyboardless device :P17:06
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luke-jrShadowJK: good to know…17:06
zogg_laptopMohammadAG: you ignoring me ? =)17:07
luke-jranyone know if that charging script will limit to 0.93A?17:07
jabisluke, more than keyboardless I find it a disgrace my bluetooth kbd's aren't working with it -.-17:07
jabiss/more/more upsetting/(17:07
DocScrutinizerjabis: too weak to charge? please elaborate17:07
luke-jri2cset -y -m 0xff 2 0x6b 0x01 0xc8; i2cset -y -m 0xc0 2 0x6b 0x00 0x00;17:08
jabisDocScrutinizer: yeh - says signal too weak to charge17:08
luke-jrshould that be safe? XD17:08
ShadowJKluke-jr; my charge script? Yeah it's programmed to 950mA (closest to 930, and system load will more than make up for the excess 20mA)17:08
luke-jrShadowJK: is that yours?17:08
luke-jrI have no idea where I found it :x17:08
luke-jrI just named it 'bc' on my system :P17:09
jabisDocScrutinizer: I just changed to charging from wall outlet and it's nao happily charging17:09
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: no, it's my original draft it seems17:09
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: sounds likely-- is that safe?17:09
DocScrutinizerparts of it, missing the wd tickling17:09
DocScrutinizerI recommend ShadowJK though17:10
luke-jrlink?17:10 is latest17:10
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ShadowJKneeds i2c-tools from extras-devel17:11
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luke-jrI only use script on Gentoo ;)17:11
ShadowJK on "MeeGo" or modern kernel17:11
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DocScrutinizererr how's kernel involved?17:12
DocScrutinizerplease don't say bq27200.ko17:12
LaoLang_coolWhat do you think the playback quality of n900, compared with iphone4?17:12
DocScrutinizerplayback of what?17:12
DocScrutinizerto what?17:13
luke-jrShadowJK: normal kernel won't work?17:13
ShadowJKluke-jr, I don't know what's normal17:13
LaoLang_coolsorry my poor English, I mean the audio playing quality17:13
luke-jrShadowJK: stock Maemo or power kernels?17:13
LaoLang_coolmusic playing quality...17:13
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: is mostly kernel agnostic for all I can see17:14
ShadowJKnormal maemo kernel works, I haven't tested that random pile of patches known as pk :P17:14
luke-jrlooks like I need to patch it to use syslog instead of non-existent MyDocs17:14
ShadowJKor just comment it out17:14
DocScrutinizerLaoLang_cool: I think the quality of audio is rather excellent17:15
ShadowJKIf you have the bq27xx_something modules loaded, it migt be better to take get_volt and similar from meegocharge.tar17:15
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DocScrutinizernaw, it'd be better to blacklist that module ;-P17:16
Corsacjesuschrist: not too bad if it's with all taxes17:16
Corsacjesuschrist: where exactly though?17:16
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: compared with iphone4 or other smart phone or mp3 device? It's too subject though :)17:16
jesuschristCorsac : second hand, from a guy displeased by it17:16
jesuschrist2 weeks old17:17
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DocScrutinizercompared to what I could figure it might be17:17
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DocScrutinizerLaoLang_cool: it's just "good enough" for my hifi-enthusiast ears17:17
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: hahaha, cool17:17
DocScrutinizermain factor is the headset though, as almost always17:18
DocScrutinizerthe device has way higher quality than any arbitrary headphone17:18
DocScrutinizerthe max volume could be higher17:19
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LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: enough, great17:19
ShadowJKwith my earphones, volume step 1 2 and 3 is all I need17:20
ShadowJKand sometimes I use alsamixer to make a 0.7517:20
DocScrutinizerodds are you encounter sub-second dropouts on cetain system activities though. Not the hw's fault17:20
DocScrutinizerI rarely see that on BT and think I never encountered it on wired headset17:20
DocScrutinizerother users complained more, probably related to their particular set of running applets and general system config17:21
ShadowJKit's IO related, the media player has shit buffer management, and you get dropouts when it can't get data from emmc fast enough17:22
ShadowJKI get no dropouts at all over wifi, for example :P17:22
ShadowJK(as long as my internet isn't breaking)17:23
DocScrutinizeryeah, somewhat related to swap hell17:23
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DocScrutinizerI think though it's the kswapd that runs on higher prio than PA and thus causes PA to stop working for 100..200ms when device starts heavy swapping17:24
jonwilbah, this isnt working17:24
LaoLang_coolIs it easy to write a "hello world!\n" in C on N900? I'm new for programming. cc hello.c is enough like on computer?17:24
luke-jrLaoLang_cool: N900 is just a computer.17:25
luke-jrLaoLang_cool: Maemo doesn't really have a (sane) compiler, though17:25
luke-jrLaoLang_cool: I run Gentoo17:25
ShadowJKIt's more related to IO scheduler being unaware of how flash behaves. While random reads can give megabytes/s, random writes are more like kilobytes/sec, and the scheduler treats them the same, so writes cause disproportionately large latency17:26
LaoLang_coolluke-jr: you run gentoo on N900? What do you mean "maemo doesn't really have a compiler"? do you mean that I can't write even the simplest "hello" program in C and compile it on N900?17:27
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ShadowJKYou could install build-essential from SDK repo, but you'll run out of diskspace really really fast.17:27
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LaoLang_coolShadowJK: sounds terrible!17:28
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ShadowJKPeople write such gigantic programs they got tired of waiting on N900 to compile it, and use their PC instead17:28
ShadowJKto compile programs17:28
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LaoLang_coolShadowJK: no, I mean simple program in hundreds KB size... not such a big project in giga size.17:30
ShadowJKWell you've got 90 megs free, and build-essential probably takes half of it, so if you don't install anything else you'd probably be fine17:30
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LaoLang_cooloh too bad17:31
LaoLang_coolI got the point17:31
jonwilyeah it seems like compiling on-device is theoretically possible but so difficult as to be not worth the effort17:33
jonwilmostly due to the need to find enough space for all the dev packages17:33
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luke-jrLaoLang_cool: Maemo was designed with the expectation that you cross-compile binaries for it on another computer17:39
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luke-jrLaoLang_cool: I run Gentoo on the N900, yes17:39
jack_lthmm after I have my usb keybd working (via extkbd), I can't get my nokia bluetooth keybd connected anymore17:39
luke-jrLaoLang_cool: usually in a chroot from Maemo17:39
jack_ltit looks like extkbd is set back to my lenovo keybd after connecting the bluetooth keybd, which then disconnects17:40
jack_ltafter a few seconds17:40
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DocScrutinizerbug #30317:55
povbot`Bug Clock should allow configurable 12h/24h display17:55
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ErwinJungeWow, 4 years to implement a 24h clock... Not sure if that was your point, but that bug report is shocking.18:06
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jonwilok, good, its now printing all the logs I need18:19
jonwilmy cell broadcast widget that is18:19
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* ShadowJK has 24h clock on n90018:19
ShadowJKfrom day 1!18:19
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jonwilit now prints a log entry anytime the current cell name is thrown away18:20
jonwiland a log entry any time it gets a cell tower name broadcast SMS18:20
jonwilwhich includes both the name and the cell ID18:21
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jonwilthat will let me go on a odyssey either tomorrow or Monday and pass through as many cells as possible to get lots of logs of what towers I see18:22
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jonwilI bet there are multiple towers (with different cell IDs) squawking the same tower name18:23
jonwilat least for some locations18:23
jonwilhmmm, maybe I should also log any time the cell tower ID changes18:23
jonwilyes lets18:23
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jonwilfinal test, once this works, I plug my phone into charger and go to bed :P. Tomorrow I see what I can do about logging stuff :)18:27
SpeedEvilGood luck!18:27
* jonwil wonders if repeatedly rebooting his phone is going to be bad for it or not18:27
jonwiltest successful :)18:28
jonwilhey, is /home/user safe to write logs to (i.e. am I going to fill that space up if I keep logging too much?)18:29
DocScrutinizerreboots are "cheap" - no significan wear with it18:29
jonwilis the best way to reboot to power-off then power-on-again?18:29
jonwilor is there a better way?18:30
DocScrutinizerrebot for what purpose?18:30
jonwilreboot because I need to get the next test iteration of the cbsms widget to load18:31
jonwiland rebooting is the way to do that18:31
jonwilas for /home/user, I think its safe to write to18:33
jonwilsince that's on emmc18:33
jonwiland is large enough18:33
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jonwilplus if I do fill it up, its not going to stop the phone booting or running AFAIK18:33
jonwilwhich will let me remove the oversized log file and move on :)18:34
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SpeedEvilthe command18:35
jonwilok, yeah that seems easier18:35
jonwilless effort18:35
jonwiland less wear and tear on the power button :P18:35
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kakashi__are you able to sync to
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