IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-10-28

ShadowJKum, it hasn't been made since 2006?00:00
jesuschristoverpriced ? i can sell you mine for 100 euros Macer00:00
jesuschristits a super deal00:00
ShadowJKI bought mine secondhand for like 250, iirc00:00
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ShadowJK5 years or so ago I guess00:01
jesuschristi bough it for 100 euros 3 1/2 years ago00:01
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MacerShadowJK: sorry. i meant e700:02
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ShadowJKAlso have a E75, which has faster CPU and more ram (actually enough ram for the browser to open, but the screen resolution is smaller, making it really annoying for "sysop" work00:03
Macerdoes an e7 even have a gtalk client?00:03
Maceror do you have to use some crap like nimbuzz?00:03
Sicelo killall Exx. get Nokia 9xxx for sysop ;)00:04
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ShadowJKN810, N900 :)00:04
ShadowJKN810 would need the E70 as modem00:04
Siceloif u want symbian, that is :)00:04
jesuschristthe e70 modem sucks a lot00:05
jesuschristim pretty sure someone will port android to n900:05
Sicelowhat's wrong with e70 modem?00:06
jesuschristever used for tethering00:06
jesuschristi did00:06
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Sicelolol. in my experience, nokia phones make good modems. even my beat-up N-Gage00:07
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jesuschristmaybe the e70 is the only one who performs poorly00:08
jesuschristdont know00:08
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ShadowJKMine works ok00:10
ShadowJKI'm still using it as a modem00:10
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Maceran e7 supports all bands correct?00:12
Macerboth att and tmob?00:12
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MacerConnectivity follows Nokia.s throw-in-the-lot pattern of recent devices, with pentaband UMTS/WCDMA (supporting Euro, T-Mobile USA and AT&T 3G bands in a single device), WiFi b/g/n, Bluetooth 3.0, GPS/A-GPS and an FM radio.00:22
Maceri think i'll get an e7.. the last of the breed00:25
jesuschristi read an article on nature wich says, if you want to buy an e7 you are gay00:25
* Sicelo doesn't even want to think about what to get after N900.00:27
kerioSicelo: another N90000:27
jesuschristSicelo : an iphone 4S ;)00:28
* SpeedEvil folds up letter requesting a linux phone, and sticks it inside the envelope with my n900 to return.00:28
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Sicelogood luck SpeedEvil. i tend to think along your line kerio :)00:28
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SpeedEvilI'd be happy with a n9.00:30
jesuschristme too :(00:30
SpeedEvilBut I expect to get something less, which I'm going to have to sell on ebay to buy a replacement n900.00:30
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IkarusSpeedEvil: hrm, they did honor that request for mer00:33
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SpeedEvilIkarus: yeah - but that was several months ago wasn't it?00:33
IkarusSpeedEvil: true00:34
Ikarusbut they probably would have given me a N9 if it was out00:34
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Macere7 is cheap00:37
Macereven a used n900 is in the 400s00:37
Macerit would make for a good backup phone00:37
Maceror maybe a good work phone00:37
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MacerSpeedEvil: there will never be a such thing as a real linux phone... n900 was as close as it was going to get00:38
Macerand no offense to maemo.. personally i think it is the best thing ever made for a phone but joe user wants pretty robots and flashing apples00:38
Macerthere was no money to be made with maemo :)00:38
SpeedEvilMacer: neo1973.00:39
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SpeedEvilIt booted into a kernel panic.00:39
SpeedEvilYou don't get more hardcore than that.00:39
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Maceri'm waiting for my knockoff n900 to get here from china00:41
Macerit said "NEW" on ebay but i am sure it is a refrurbished n900 with a knockoff housing00:41
Macerwhich i don't care as long as it works00:41
Maceri have a screen and battery here if that is jacked up :)00:42
Macerfrom my old and now broken n900 :(00:42
Maceri'll take a knockoff n900 any day over this shit that comes out.. especially this htc garbage00:42
Macerhtc should have remained a non-player... i blame google for that one00:42
gn00bwhatever happened to the n950?00:43
wamMacer: what did you pay?00:43
SpeedEvilgn00b: It's a dev platform for a few hundred people.00:43
HyperSnyperwhat are those dual sim n900 clones floating about ?00:43
SpeedEvilgn00b: not sold.00:43
HyperSnyperthey boot maemo ?00:43
Macer$255 on a bid00:43
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wamfor a n900?00:43
Macergn00b: nokia is going bankrupt. that is what happened to the n95000:43
wamcool - so mine is at least worth something.00:44
Macerprobably worth 300 max00:44
Maceri wouldn't pay mor ethan that for an old used n900 ;) but others might00:44
gn00bi've had my n900 for almost a year now. i'll probably never buy another phone. unless something drastic comes out.00:45
Maceri got it from some chinese trading company.. so it is either a knockoff or will come with knockoff parts like fake headphones etc00:45
Macerand in a fake chinese box :)00:46
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Macermost reviews from people that bought n900s from them say they worked but had fake chinese batteries in them00:46
DocScrutinizerHyperSnyper: not at all, it's a total fake00:46
Maceri can deal with that as long as it works00:46
MacerDocScrutinizer: lol. damn. hope thge one on the way here doesn't have 2 sim cards :-P00:47
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wamyeah - I'm still thinking about getting a n9 with a bluetooth keyboard. Prices are falling.00:47
Macergn00b: secure your usb port!00:47
wambut it's not based on debian anymore.00:47
HyperSnyperthxs again DocScrutinizer00:47
wmarone_wam: what isn't?00:47
DocScrutinizerwam: N9 + BT-kbd == fail00:48
MacerN950 - qwerty == fail00:48
gn00bMacer: had it go bad on me once already, was still under warranty though.00:48
Macergn00b: lucky you ;)00:48
wamYeah - i need a working terminal. Keyboard is a must.00:49
Macerwam: well ... hope with me that nokia goes bankrupt for their idiocy00:49
DocScrutinizerwam: honestly, N9 doesn't work with BT-kbd00:49
Macerdoesn't matter tho.. the people who ran it into the ground will still be rich00:49
gn00bi use my keyboard so much the letters are starting to scratch off.00:49
Macergn00b: mine was like that00:49
Maceryou can still find a replacement00:50
Macerand they are pretty easy to put in00:50
gn00bthinking about buying a broken n900 off ebay, just to have all the parts00:50
Macerthat is what was good about mine breaking... when this new one comes in i have a spare screen etc00:51
Macerto replace the fake chinese one00:51
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gn00bi need to do a factory reset on mine, but i don't have a windows box in this house.00:53
lardmanspeaking of kbs, what current mobile phones do have keyboards? I do hope there are eventually some more, not fond of this touchscreen only business00:54
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timelesslardman: the 9810 and 9900 have keyboards :)00:55
lardmanthey sound un-Linux-hackable00:56
lardmanbut thanks ;)00:56
timelessthat wasn't a listed requirement ;-b00:56
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GeneralAntillestimeless, judging by the current channel, I think we can assume. :P00:57
lardmanperhaps we'll move back to the days of pdas, then all I have to tap on a touchscreen phone is a contact's picture and I can leave all typing for either a large screen + on-screen kb or ideally a hw kb00:57
GeneralAntillesAlso: Hi.00:57
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lardmantimeless: got to kep you all guessing :)00:57
timelessi was offered a 9850 (i think) but chose the 9810 instead00:57
timelessgan: aww00:57
timelessi haven't heard of many things along the hackable linux line recently00:58
timelessone possibility is the hp platform00:58
timelesspeople have ported android to it00:59
timelessbut i don't know if any of them had keyboards00:59
GeneralAntillesYeah, seems we're kinda headed for the shitter as far as that goes for the foreseeable future.00:59
lardman7" tablets can live with an on-screen kb00:59
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DocScrutinizergn00b: you don't need windows to flash N90000:59
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is
lardmannot overly portable though, and I'd hate to try to make a call on my Galaxy Tab :)01:00
* lardman will have to buy jackets and trousers with larger pockets01:00
gn00bDocScrutinizer: i have freebsd and i'm not too comfortable on it yet. don't wanna brick it.01:01
DocScrutinizergn00b: you can not brick N900 (at least not by flashing)01:01
timelessyeah, the playbook's onscreen keyboard (which i'm using here) is great01:01
gn00bi'll read up on it in a few01:02
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lardmanwas the playbook the one that was going cheap a few weeks back?01:02
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lardmanah yeah01:03
wmarone_RIM hasn't given up (yet)01:03
* lardman getting confused by tablet names01:03
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: lots of potential Linux converts there then... ;)01:07
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SpeedEvilOr they go towards the (green) light.01:11
timelessgan: you're late01:11
timelessi pasted that hours ago :)01:11
GeneralAntillestimeless, often.01:12
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* GeneralAntilles is in head cold mode this week, so isn't tracking well.01:12
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GeneralAntillesI read a comment a few weeks ago with someone asking why the political food people aren't going after Google for pushing fatty foods on impressionable young people.01:12
* lardman is in "baby asleep mode, can do some coding before heading for bed mode"01:12
lardmanmmmm, bacon01:13
timelessgan: eh?01:13
* lardman passes some bacon to lcuk up above01:13
GeneralAntillesIce Cream Sandwich, Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, etc.01:13
GeneralAntillesClearly they're out to spread diabetes.01:13
timelessah, heh01:13
GeneralAntilles /satire01:13
* lardman wonders what else would make good naming schemes01:15
GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to do more proof reading for the MetaWatch web team.01:16
lardmansp3000: I was wondering about wines, and they could of course go either way according to the latest research and which way the wind is blowing01:18
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GeneralAntillesWoo, another firmware update for my watch. . . .01:29
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DocScrutinizerlardman: "suedpfaelzer nacktarsch"?01:34
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DocScrutinizer"froehliche reblaus"01:35
DocScrutinizeror were you thinking more of names like cabernet, riesling, bordeaux, cianti01:37
* DocScrutinizer heads out to get a *beer* next pub ;-D01:38
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lardmanit's the first letter that counts, but I'd probably go for the well known ones where possible01:40
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lardmannight chaps01:42
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UberNeodoes anybody now .. how to get the /home contents out from "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" .. without actually flashing it01:46
DocScrutinizerwell, everything is better than "busy beaver" "horny hedgehog" etc01:46
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DocScrutinizerUberNeo: define "get out"01:47
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UberNeoDocScrutinizer: why are u saying like tht01:48
DocScrutinizeraah, sorry. Took a while to parse01:48
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DocScrutinizerno, I don't think anybody knows exatly how to uncompress/unpack a eMMC image01:49
jabiscouldn't one theoretically try and flash a qemu image contents01:52
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jabisnvm stoopid brainfarts tiem -.- tired and should go to bed, but still reviewing some code x)01:53
DocScrutinizerit seems like it's actually some kind of selfextracting archive that contains some scripts and probably also a tool that does the real flashing, and all this is somehow executed on a rather standard maemo system, I.E. on N900 in userland01:53
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drifterSo I bricked my N900 by uninstalling all packages.03:25
drifter...out of frustration and impatience.03:26
drifterSo, don't hit (y) if "apt-get install -f" offers to replace every package on your device with SELinux03:28
Proteousbricked, I don't think that word means what you think it means03:29
drifterIt's about as useful as a brick.03:30
Proteousreflash it03:30
infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is
drifterWell, almost, I'm shipping it in, it might be useful again.03:31
drifterIt won't flash...03:31
drifterEither the Vista machine I was using just wasn't working for me, or it's unflashable now.03:31
drifterI didn't think uninstalling all of the packages would prevent me from flashing, but it behaves differently when powered off now.03:33
drifterThe dim "Nokia" screen that you see when you plug it in to charge stays there even after you unplug it.03:33
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drifterUnless it was the water.03:35
ShadowJKIF you get a full battery it'll flash03:36
ShadowJKon a PC otherwise capable of flashing03:37
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drifterWell, damn. I sent it in earlier today.03:41
drifterI don't really have any other computers though03:41
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ShadowJKIt's pretty much impossible to make it unflashable without physically damaging it03:41
drifterThe N900 sort of filled all my computing needs..03:41
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ShadowJKI forget, did you attempt to repair that one?03:42
drifterThen, I might be in trouble03:42
drifterIt might have been the random raindrop on the keyboard then..03:42
SpeedEvilShadowJK: No - the touchscreen went wierd. And the 2g radio was dodgy.03:43
ShadowJKoh, did you get the crossed out sim thingy03:43
SpeedEvilBut only on 2g03:43
ShadowJKinteresting. capacitor fail?03:43
SpeedEvilInteresting indeed.03:43
SpeedEvilOr random ball disconnect03:44
ShadowJKrandom ball disconnected seemed more plausible for my first N900, as I could reliably trigger the problem by pinching phone at the "k" (on keyboard) area03:44
SpeedEvilI couldn't seem to trigger that.03:45
SpeedEvilpadding out the SIM seemed to change it a little, but ot much.03:45
ShadowJKpadding sim extended the "usable" period by a few months. Then when I removed all tricks, it was reliably triggerable03:45
ShadowJKwhich it hadn't been the first time I noticed the problem03:45
ShadowJKdo you have any operable N900 left?03:46
SpeedEvilListening to radio on it at the moment.03:47
DocScrutinizerso bad solder point at a ball of SIM holder03:47
drifterAre you modding the hardware?03:47
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Then why only 2G dies?03:48
ShadowJKI suspect the sim holder thing is a distraction.. I mean, if we had a "Oh no, the modem crashed"-icon instead, we'd all be blaming the softwarea with these same symptoms instead of blaming the sim card03:48
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DocScrutinizerumm, ok. Bad solder point at the 2G sawtooth filter then?03:49
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SpeedEvilIf 2g is enabled, what happens is that occasionally, I get 'SIM error'03:50
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: 100 ack. The whole "pad SIM with paper" thing is a placebo03:50
ShadowJKI guess if I still had my crashy-modem N900 I could try put it in offline mode, start gps, and press the trigger-area and see if things still break :P03:50
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It's not - it was statistically significant here.03:51
SpeedEvilAt least for several days.03:51
drifterWhat are you trying to do?03:51
SpeedEvilWondering about why my n900 modem was being wierd. And more generally what the issue is with the modem.03:51
DocScrutinizeryou know statistics. You know "several days" isn't any significant in statistics03:52
SpeedEvilI think there are actually several seperate faults that people have seen.03:52
ShadowJKdrifter, I think most common N900 failure is USB. Then the "crossed out sim" thing, where the modem part stops working correctly. We're discussing that03:52
DocScrutinizerprobably the paper padding bent the mobo03:52
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: For a period of a week, it was fine, whereas before, it would lose SIM  20 times a day.03:52
cehtehelop wants your to buy a wp7 phone instead03:53
drifterAh, ok03:53
SpeedEvilMaybe, if it has a flamethrower03:53
drifterThe reason I was frustrated and bricked my phone was because I was trying to compile IRSSI from source and it wouldn't work, even it worked the first I tried it.03:56
driftereven though*03:56
drifterI think it was a glib6 dependency03:56
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DocScrutinizerI prefer to blame BB5 silicon rotting03:57
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ShadowJKirssi is in the repo..03:58
drifterDo you repair N900's professionally?03:58
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drifterIt is in the repo, but I don't think it's compiled with Perl support.03:58
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drifterActually, I'm pretty positive it's not compiled with Perl support.04:00
drifterwhich means you can't add plugins04:00
drifterlike a simple script to make your phone vibrate when and ding when you get a message04:01
drifterif it did support perl, i'd add that script to the repository04:01
ShadowJKxchat has that :P04:02
drifteri didnt like xchat04:02
drifterirssi works well, fast, and is highly customizable04:02
DocScrutinizer(<drifter> Do you repair N900's professionally?) me?04:02
DocScrutinizer~ DocScrutinizer04:02
infobotsomebody said docscrutinizer was jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko04:03
drifterDocScrutinizer: yes04:03
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drifterDocScrutinizer: Or are you just trying to fix your broken phone?04:04
ShadowJKthey were discussing theories of what causes the modem failure04:04
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HyperSnyperis there a way to get the text/search popup to appear in mediaplayer/fapman etc without opening keyboard ?04:37
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HyperSnyperif not how can i emulate the "spacebar" being pressed via telnet ?04:42
HyperSnyper> install xdotool04:51
HyperSnyper> xdotool key space04:51
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HyperSnyperhmm that works for contacts/app manager but with media player "space" does play/pause05:37
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woldrichinfobot, shut up07:43
infobotyes, master woldrich07:43
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gn00bDocScrutinizer, you there?08:24
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opekcan i somehow edit contents of emmc flash image for N900, i would need to add some files to it09:24
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psycho_oreosnot easily but there are threads on doing so, there's even a blog post about it09:29
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opekhmm... i have tried to find those without any luck09:29
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psycho_oreoswell no you can't really remaster the bin file I'm afraid but you can get flasher to flash the compiled image that you made09:30
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opekyep, the problem is that i would need to make several n900s to have same files in system and mass memory09:32
opekit would be easiest to do it with flasher09:32
opekso far i have been able to produce rootfs to be flashed but still would need some way to do it with emmc...09:32
psycho_oreoscontrary to that nokia has not released how their bin files are compiled so there's no shortcut here09:32
opekok then i understand09:33
psycho_oreosI thought emmc structures were similar no?09:33
opekno idea :D09:33
opeki just followed some instructions for backing up system and making rootfs image09:33
psycho_oreosmmm I gotta extract a emmc file and examine it but I'm sure the huge file after being extracted should be the rootfs09:34
opekthat site has what i have done so far09:34
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psycho_oreoscompressed tarball or the other format? ubifs?09:35
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opektar was what i got out of that BackupMenu09:36
psycho_oreosyeah you'll need to convert that tarball into ubifs before it could be used with flasher09:36
opekhmm... yep, you are right that's what i infact did09:37
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opekthere are intructions on that same site, just followed those09:37
psycho_oreosthe other thing is that I'm not sure whether or not can flasher distinguish the difference between rootfs image for the actual root filesystem and rootfs image for emmc09:38
opekoh, i thought that rootfs image is only for root filesystem09:39
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opeki must say that i don't know much about that flashing09:39
psycho_oreoswell if you see the combined firmware and emmc firmware, they only flash portions of the device. I can see that the code robbiethe1st has posted up definitely needs to be changed or else you will write to / instead of /home/user/MyDocs09:40
psycho_oreosI'm starting to lean towards thinking that the flasher couldn't tell the difference and would flash from / unless if you specify within the premade ubifs image that the contents is to be placed elsewhere within the filesystem09:41
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psycho_oreosthere's definitely lots of redefining to do apart from whats mentioned by that thread, the size would be completely different as well09:42
psycho_oreoshow many N900 are you planning to deploy it on? just out of curiousity09:43
opeki was infact thinking that would it be possible to flash that rootfs to root filesystem then take original emmc from nokia, modify it and flash it with flasher but might be close to impossible task :)09:44
psycho_oreosthat's what I thought you would be inclined to do, but like I said you can't remake the bin file as provided by nokia. The only closest thing you can get to is making a ubifs image09:44
opekjust a couple but possibly need to do it several times, so it's starting to look like i'll do it using some other way :)09:44
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opekit's getting too complicated :)09:46
psycho_oreosit'll definitely be less of an experiment if you go through say wireless maybe. Maybe even wired with USB hostmode and going through wired switches instead09:46
* psycho_oreos wonders how many is a couple lol, there was some rumours someone intended to purchase 10 (!) N900.09:47
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psycho_oreosThat's not you is it?09:48
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* psycho_oreos has 3 though09:48
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woldrichpsycho_oreos, I was going to buy a bunch. I expected them to be cheap enough today. So I checked the prices, and you'll have to pay almost twice as much as I did for my first n900 2 years ago. What the fuck man09:50
woldrichthey're cheap in uk, but still09:50
psycho_oreoswoldrich, I'm guessing people realise that N900 are rare on the markets now that nokia no longer has interest in maemo realms and the power of these devices09:51
woldrichthe reason why I wanted more is because I doubt there'll be anything like the n900 for at least a couple of years09:52
psycho_oreosI'm guessing about 1/5 of the buyers may probably be script kiddies whom saw N900 is capable of cracking wireless networks09:52
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psycho_oreosI didn't buy all 3 of mine at once, but I'm just building up my safety net for the very same reason as yours. Except I also do tinkering every now and then09:53
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woldrichpsycho_oreos, what do you use your 3 for? please tell me you're building clusters and setting up distcc and stuff09:53
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woldrichare you using maemo on all of them?09:55
psycho_oreoswoldrich, nothing interesting for distcc, initially I was thinking of setting up my third N900 as a gamer device (with that game pad attachment) but now am only thinking of setting up as 4th alarm clock and probably be serving as stable builds09:55
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psycho_oreosI still am planning to triple boot at least two09:55
woldrichgame pad attachment? :o09:55
psycho_oreosI think its called gamegripper, I don't know if they are still for sale09:56
woldrichheh. cute09:56
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psycho_oreosalso depending on my finances I may do some hardware modding on my N900, so if I screw one up I still have two to play around (lol)09:56
woldrichwhat kind of modding?09:57
woldrichit seems I just bought a game gripper... though their main site seems dead09:57
psycho_oreosbattery mods, antenna mods, and maybe add more extra chips (such as gyroscope and compass) maybe even those plastic cooling fins (hopefully I could buy maybe 1 metre cubed and so I could cut them and use them for various other things)09:58
woldrichI wish I could hack hardware as well as software :/09:59
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woldrichThe most noteworthy hardware hack I've made is connecting a commodore amiga mouse to my computer10:00
psycho_oreosI don't expect my hardware hacking to be as spectacular as software hacking though I'm eager to give it a shot. I have many other devices that I want to mod as well10:00
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mecehey I remember a pretty good wiki page with python dbus examples on but now I can't find it. Does anyone know the url?10:01
meceabout call handling and such10:01
psycho_oreoslol never owned a commodore amiga so I wouldn't know and I don't think I've done anything interesting either. Apart from adding cooling fans to various bits and pieces, stripping stuff apart, etc10:01
mecenevermind, found it:
woldrichhmm, I wonder if there are better batteries fitting the n90010:03
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psycho_oreosthere was a thread for it, search for that 3000+mAH battery conversion10:03
jaskatheres atleast a mugen 2800mAh, some people have made their own10:03
woldrichsadly that tells me nothing. I suck at everything that's not code10:04
jaskawell, its about double the capacity of the default one10:04
psycho_oreosmugen's idea of battery is not bad but imo the replacement back cover to fit that new battery in looks fugly regardless if its the old one or the new redesigned back cover10:04
woldrichah. that sounds great. Is it a lot heavier?10:04
woldrichoh. :(10:05
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jaskamine has the mugen 2800mAh, i dont think its ugly10:06
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jaskabut then again, i used to be happy with a 2110i with the high-capacity battery back in mid 90s :)10:06
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jaskahmm, i thought it was 2800.. my mistake10:07
psycho_oreosthe standard N900 back cover should be an ideal base to work with and they should just extend the depth of the back cover, maybe even make a bigger kickstand than the puny standard kickstand10:08
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ErwinJunge~seen javispedro12:21
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 9h 48m 25s ago, saying: 'or $800..'.12:21
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beeconsamba-common is broken on my device. when i try to remove it through apt-get it says E: The package samba-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.also it is imposible to install anything else because apt says same thing as this and doesnt let me to install anything13:31
beeconand when im trying to remove it through dpkg,it says Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.13:32
beeconbut reinstalling is imposible13:32
beeconhow can i remove this shit?13:33
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MohammadAGbeecon, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postrm and pastebin it13:43
beeconhey muhammad, i like u so much.ok ill do this13:44
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beeconmohammadag: here it is
MohammadAGthat should work fine, something's wrong with your busybox13:50
MohammadAGedit the file and remove the "-e" though it should work as is13:50
beeconwhich -e?13:51
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beeconmohammadag: i did it.also tried dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq but didnt work.13:52
MohammadAG /bin/sh -e13:52
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beeconwell i did it. didn't work13:54
beeconmohammadag : i just want to remove it to fix the dpkg. isn't this possible to do this by hand and manually?13:56
MohammadAGbeecon, well if you want, remove the file all in all13:56
MohammadAGrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postrm13:57
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beecontnx mohammadag.14:02
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DocScrutinizerfsckng samba, we had this before14:39
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SpeedEvilHokay - device is with UPS now.16:03
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: kicked some more lazy arses today, at customs/DHL?16:15
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ErwinJunge~seen javispedro16:27
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 13h 53m 56s ago, saying: 'or $800..'.16:27
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ErwinJungeI should probably ask javispedro, but does anyone in here have experience with SDL_gles? I'm getting a EGL_BAD_CONFIG error on SDL_GLES_MakeCurrent16:29
b00^portalhi there,  anyone knows/ can suggest where I can get detailed info on the NFC kernel driver , nfc hal, lib, tools, for the linux on Nokia N9 ?16:31
ErwinJungeIsn't this the wrong channel for that? You probably have a better chance in #harmattan (but I might be wrong, I'm very confused on exactly what it is the N9 is running)16:33
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b00^portalas i 've read on Wiki, 'it technically running an instance of MeeGoo, and Harmattan is a Maemo 6 ..16:36
b00^portalat least as far as I read this on wiki for N9 ..16:36
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ErwinJunge#meego then?16:37
b00^portalhow would meego have kernel information ?16:37
b00^portalfrom what I understand its a Qt layer16:37
ErwinJungeIt's a full blown linux os16:38
ErwinJungeWith all kinds of proprietary security stuff added onto it16:38
b00^portali see16:38
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ErwinJungeBut like I said, I might be wrong :)16:38
b00^portalthere is a chance you are16:39
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rlinfatib00^portal, dpkg -l | grep nfc16:39
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer is probably the one with the answers here16:39
b00^portalat least i got my  /bin/sh, and got excited that its a linux kernel..16:39
DocScrutinizero.O ?16:39
DocScrutinizersdl_gles? NFC16:39
b00^portalrlinfati, 1 sec ..16:40
ErwinJungeBy which I mean you know a lot more about N9 and meego/maemo/harmattan/whatever they call it nowadays and can probably help b00^portal better16:40
ErwinJungeDidn't mean about sdl_gles, that was a general call for help. If nobody replies to that I'll just wait for javispedro to show up16:41
DocScrutinizerN9(50) runs meego-harmattan which actually is maemo with a meego "skin"16:41
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DocScrutinizerand yes, N9-NFC related questions are best asked in #harmattan16:42
b00^portalcrap how to I get the | on that kb :)16:42
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b00^portalDocScrutinizer,  i'm asking at #harmattan too16:42
b00^portalrlinfati, yep, ok, i didnt think dpkg was installed on the phone at all16:43
DocScrutinizerb00^portal: you won't find a single user who knows anything about N9 NFC, is available here and not listening at #harmattan16:44
rlinfatimaemo6 is debian-based, also is apt16:44
b00^portalyea, i'm just more used to non-upgradable systems, where pkg management is removed :)16:45
b00^portalbad thinking ..16:45
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, weekends start today for Israel17:14
DocScrutinizernot that my N9 adventure is any better, no answer from Quim nor from Ronan, at all17:15
CorsacI mailed Quim 2 day ago, no answer17:15
X-FadeCorsac: He went to the Qt dev days.17:15
X-FadeCorsac: So don't expect an answer this week.17:15
b00^portalright, so you guys have some internal Nokia contacts ? >:P17:16
CorsacX-Fade: good point17:16
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jonwiltime to release libconnui-dev-0.1 :)19:00
jonwiland operator-name-cbs-widget-0.119:00
jonwillibconnui-dev-0.1 covers some of the most interesting functions in libconnui and libconnui_cell19:00
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jonwilhopefully I can turn libconnui-dev into a package worthy of the repos19:03
jonwilanyone know who is in charge of deciding what goes into the cssu?19:04
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ErwinJungejonwil: What does it do? :)19:14
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jonwillibconnui-dev is a set of reverse engineered headers for the closed-source libconnui and libconnui_cell libraries19:14
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ErwinJungeAnd what do those do? :)19:15
MohammadAGjonwil, join #maemo-ssu19:16
jonwilthese libraries are used by (among other things) the operator name widget, the cell signal strength widget, the wifi signal strength widget, the thing where you select your wifi network, the control panel for phone settings and a bunch more19:19
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: don't see anything wrong with it, either way, it is a widget, so it can be optional20:12
DocScrutinizererr, it's replacing the stock operator-name widget20:13
DocScrutinizerand it's *cough* patching binary ;-D20:13
javispedroqwerty12 did one that was optional20:13
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yigalSamsung Galaxy Note review what we wanted from the N900 but it's just a joke20:13
yigalwhat is?20:14
DocScrutinizerwhich is the point where I think it shoukd go to CSSU20:14
yigalThe operating system20:14
yigalhey people are talking?20:14
DocScrutinizerthe binary patch got "evaluated" on my everyday phone since several months now20:14
MohammadAGWhat's the best thing since sliced bread?20:14
MohammadAGSliced bread with Ice Cream20:14
javispedroyigal: if the question was, "what is the operating system of the samsung galaxy note?", the answer is, some stupid Android version20:14
MohammadAGand that's how Ice Cream Sandwich was born20:14
* MohammadAG runs again20:15
ErwinJungejavispedro: Could you help me out a bit with SDL_gles? I'm getting a EGL_BAD_CONFIG error on SDL_GLES_MakeCurrent20:15
yigaljavispedro: no, not the question20:15
javispedroErwinJunge: pass the code20:15
javispedroErwinJunge: or a small sample, or all calls to SDL_GLES you are doing before20:15
ErwinJungeComing up20:15
javispedroalso, you are getting the error via SDL_GetError()?20:16
javispedroand what does the entire message say?20:17
javispedromaybe you are not calling SDL_GLES_CreateContext?20:18
ErwinJungeEGL failed to create a window surface: EGL_BAD_CONFIG20:18
ErwinJungeYes I am, right above it :) That actually returns fine.20:18
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yigalhow dull20:20
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javispedrowhat a guy..20:20
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ErwinJungejavispedro: I've cut out most of the app specific code, but these are all the SDL/SDL_GLES calls that are called (in this order) before failure.
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ??20:22
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: did you understand <yigal> above?20:22
DocScrutinizeraah, yigal left, uttering "how dull"? yeah, weird20:23
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javispedroErwinJunge: I am sure the problem lies in the size calls; if you comment out the four it'll work.20:25
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: probably joined wrong chan20:25
javispedroErwinJunge: which special color/alpha size requeriments you have?20:25
javispedroErwinJunge: also, if you really need alpha output (why?) maemo will only do that if you set 32bpp as the windows' depth (in the later SDL_SetVideoMode call)20:26
javispedro(and it will be ├╝ber slow)20:26
ErwinJungethe size calls only define rgb565 (so alpha = 0)20:26
javispedroErwinJunge: then you can remove them just fine20:26
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javispedroErwinJunge: there was a bug in the driver documented somewhere in that if you specificy a too restrictive set of parameters for configuration search driver will do "funny things"20:27
povbot`Bug 9335: egl fb config attributes support broken (doesnt follow egl spec at any rate).20:27
ErwinJungeRecompiling now, will let you know what happens20:28
javispedroErwinJunge: but on Maemo, if you just remove those constraints driver will just select rgb565 so it should work20:28
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ErwinJungejavispedro: It works now, thanks. Well, "works" isn't very accurate, but the error is gone ;)20:38
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jack_lthmm there was a youtube video about someone connecting a sennheiser mic into the n900 via the audio/ video cable, but can't find it anymore22:23
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jacekowskijust plug it in22:29
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ShadowJKif it has iphone pinout it wont work22:30
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jack_ltI would use the vid for orientation22:35
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jack_ltmy n900 as hand recorder
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gn00bhaven't googled it, thought i'd ask here 1st. can i do a hard reset on my nokia n900 with winxp 64bit?22:49
_trinen900 phones seem to be going cheap on Ebay22:49
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ZogGMohammadAG, ping23:10
tuhois it confirmed that n9 doesnt have fm tx antenna, like n950?23:10
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ZogG! - nice fake n9 with meego anna win7 UIS in the same tie =)23:25
jacekowskiwell, vmware guys were doing something around phone virtualisation23:26
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