| ShadowJK | um, it hasn't been made since 2006? | 00:00 |
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| jesuschrist | overpriced ? i can sell you mine for 100 euros Macer | 00:00 |
| jesuschrist | its a super deal | 00:00 |
| jesuschrist | really! | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | I bought mine secondhand for like 250, iirc | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | 5 years or so ago I guess | 00:01 |
| jesuschrist | i bough it for 100 euros 3 1/2 years ago | 00:01 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: sorry. i meant e7 | 00:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Also have a E75, which has faster CPU and more ram (actually enough ram for the browser to open nokia.com), but the screen resolution is smaller, making it really annoying for "sysop" work | 00:03 |
| Macer | does an e7 even have a gtalk client? | 00:03 |
| Macer | or do you have to use some crap like nimbuzz? | 00:03 |
| Sicelo | killall Exx. get Nokia 9xxx for sysop ;) | 00:04 |
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| ShadowJK | N810, N900 :) | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | N810 would need the E70 as modem | 00:04 |
| Sicelo | if u want symbian, that is :) | 00:04 |
| jesuschrist | the e70 modem sucks a lot | 00:05 |
| jesuschrist | im pretty sure someone will port android to n9 | 00:05 |
| jesuschrist | anyway | 00:05 |
| Sicelo | what's wrong with e70 modem? | 00:06 |
| jesuschrist | ever used for tethering | 00:06 |
| jesuschrist | *it | 00:06 |
| jesuschrist | ? | 00:06 |
| jesuschrist | i did | 00:06 |
| jesuschrist | :D | 00:06 |
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| Sicelo | lol. in my experience, nokia phones make good modems. even my beat-up N-Gage | 00:07 |
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| jesuschrist | maybe the e70 is the only one who performs poorly | 00:08 |
| jesuschrist | dont know | 00:08 |
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| ShadowJK | Mine works ok | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | I'm still using it as a modem | 00:10 |
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| Macer | an e7 supports all bands correct? | 00:12 |
| Macer | both att and tmob? | 00:12 |
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| Macer | Connectivity follows Nokia.s throw-in-the-lot pattern of recent devices, with pentaband UMTS/WCDMA (supporting Euro, T-Mobile USA and AT&T 3G bands in a single device), WiFi b/g/n, Bluetooth 3.0, GPS/A-GPS and an FM radio. | 00:22 |
| Macer | nice | 00:22 |
| Macer | i think i'll get an e7.. the last of the breed | 00:25 |
| jesuschrist | i read an article on nature wich says, if you want to buy an e7 you are gay | 00:25 |
| Sicelo | lol | 00:25 |
| kerio | lol | 00:27 |
| * Sicelo doesn't even want to think about what to get after N900. | 00:27 | |
| kerio | Sicelo: another N900 | 00:27 |
| jesuschrist | Sicelo : an iphone 4S ;) | 00:28 |
| * SpeedEvil folds up letter requesting a linux phone, and sticks it inside the envelope with my n900 to return. | 00:28 | |
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| Sicelo | good luck SpeedEvil. i tend to think along your line kerio :) | 00:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd be happy with a n9. | 00:30 |
| jesuschrist | me too :( | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | But I expect to get something less, which I'm going to have to sell on ebay to buy a replacement n900. | 00:30 |
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| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: hrm, they did honor that request for mer | 00:33 |
| Ikarus | -r | 00:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | mer? | 00:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Ikarus: yeah - but that was several months ago wasn't it? | 00:33 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: true | 00:34 |
| Ikarus | but they probably would have given me a N9 if it was out | 00:34 |
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| Macer | e7 is cheap | 00:37 |
| Macer | $370 | 00:37 |
| Macer | even a used n900 is in the 400s | 00:37 |
| Macer | it would make for a good backup phone | 00:37 |
| Macer | or maybe a good work phone | 00:37 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: there will never be a such thing as a real linux phone... n900 was as close as it was going to get | 00:38 |
| Macer | and no offense to maemo.. personally i think it is the best thing ever made for a phone but joe user wants pretty robots and flashing apples | 00:38 |
| Macer | there was no money to be made with maemo :) | 00:38 |
| wmarone_ | err | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: neo1973. | 00:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | It booted into a kernel panic. | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't get more hardcore than that. | 00:39 |
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| Macer | heh | 00:41 |
| Macer | i'm waiting for my knockoff n900 to get here from china | 00:41 |
| Macer | it said "NEW" on ebay but i am sure it is a refrurbished n900 with a knockoff housing | 00:41 |
| Macer | which i don't care as long as it works | 00:41 |
| Macer | i have a screen and battery here if that is jacked up :) | 00:42 |
| Macer | from my old and now broken n900 :( | 00:42 |
| Macer | i'll take a knockoff n900 any day over this shit that comes out.. especially this htc garbage | 00:42 |
| Macer | htc should have remained a non-player... i blame google for that one | 00:42 |
| gn00b | whatever happened to the n950? | 00:43 |
| wam | Macer: what did you pay? | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | gn00b: It's a dev platform for a few hundred people. | 00:43 |
| HyperSnyper | what are those dual sim n900 clones floating about ? | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | gn00b: not sold. | 00:43 |
| HyperSnyper | they boot maemo ? | 00:43 |
| Macer | $255 on a bid | 00:43 |
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| wam | for a n900? | 00:43 |
| Macer | gn00b: nokia is going bankrupt. that is what happened to the n950 | 00:43 |
| Macer | hahah | 00:43 |
| Macer | yes | 00:44 |
| wam | cool - so mine is at least worth something. | 00:44 |
| Macer | probably worth 300 max | 00:44 |
| Macer | i wouldn't pay mor ethan that for an old used n900 ;) but others might | 00:44 |
| gn00b | i've had my n900 for almost a year now. i'll probably never buy another phone. unless something drastic comes out. | 00:45 |
| Macer | i got it from some chinese trading company.. so it is either a knockoff or will come with knockoff parts like fake headphones etc | 00:45 |
| Macer | and in a fake chinese box :) | 00:46 |
| Macer | lol | 00:46 |
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| Macer | most reviews from people that bought n900s from them say they worked but had fake chinese batteries in them | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: not at all, it's a total fake | 00:46 |
| Macer | i can deal with that as long as it works | 00:46 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: lol. damn. hope thge one on the way here doesn't have 2 sim cards :-P | 00:47 |
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| wam | yeah - I'm still thinking about getting a n9 with a bluetooth keyboard. Prices are falling. | 00:47 |
| Macer | gn00b: secure your usb port! | 00:47 |
| wam | but it's not based on debian anymore. | 00:47 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs again DocScrutinizer | 00:47 |
| HyperSnyper | ;P | 00:47 |
| wmarone_ | wam: what isn't? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | wam: N9 + BT-kbd == fail | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | BT.... | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 00:48 |
| Macer | N950 - qwerty == fail | 00:48 |
| gn00b | Macer: had it go bad on me once already, was still under warranty though. | 00:48 |
| Macer | gn00b: lucky you ;) | 00:48 |
| wam | Yeah - i need a working terminal. Keyboard is a must. | 00:49 |
| Macer | wam: well ... hope with me that nokia goes bankrupt for their idiocy | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | wam: honestly, N9 doesn't work with BT-kbd | 00:49 |
| wam | damnit | 00:49 |
| Macer | doesn't matter tho.. the people who ran it into the ground will still be rich | 00:49 |
| gn00b | i use my keyboard so much the letters are starting to scratch off. | 00:49 |
| Macer | gn00b: mine was like that | 00:49 |
| Macer | you can still find a replacement | 00:50 |
| Macer | and they are pretty easy to put in | 00:50 |
| gn00b | thinking about buying a broken n900 off ebay, just to have all the parts | 00:50 |
| Macer | heh | 00:50 |
| Macer | that is what was good about mine breaking... when this new one comes in i have a spare screen etc | 00:51 |
| Macer | to replace the fake chinese one | 00:51 |
| Macer | :) | 00:51 |
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| gn00b | i need to do a factory reset on mine, but i don't have a windows box in this house. | 00:53 |
| lardman | speaking of kbs, what current mobile phones do have keyboards? I do hope there are eventually some more, not fond of this touchscreen only business | 00:54 |
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| timeless | lardman: the 9810 and 9900 have keyboards :) | 00:55 |
| lardman | they sound un-Linux-hackable | 00:56 |
| lardman | but thanks ;) | 00:56 |
| timeless | that wasn't a listed requirement ;-b | 00:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, judging by the current channel, I think we can assume. :P | 00:57 |
| lardman | perhaps we'll move back to the days of pdas, then all I have to tap on a touchscreen phone is a contact's picture and I can leave all typing for either a large screen + on-screen kb or ideally a hw kb | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: Hi. | 00:57 |
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| lardman | timeless: got to kep you all guessing :) | 00:57 |
| timeless | i was offered a 9850 (i think) but chose the 9810 instead | 00:57 |
| lardman | s/kep/keep | 00:57 |
| timeless | gan: aww | 00:57 |
| timeless | i haven't heard of many things along the hackable linux line recently | 00:58 |
| timeless | one possibility is the hp platform | 00:58 |
| timeless | people have ported android to it | 00:59 |
| timeless | but i don't know if any of them had keyboards | 00:59 |
| timeless | webos | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, seems we're kinda headed for the shitter as far as that goes for the foreseeable future. | 00:59 |
| lardman | 7" tablets can live with an on-screen kb | 00:59 |
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| lardman | 7"+ | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | gn00b: you don't need windows to flash N900 | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 01:00 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:00 |
| lardman | not overly portable though, and I'd hate to try to make a call on my Galaxy Tab :) | 01:00 |
| * lardman will have to buy jackets and trousers with larger pockets | 01:00 | |
| gn00b | DocScrutinizer: i have freebsd and i'm not too comfortable on it yet. don't wanna brick it. | 01:01 |
| lardman | freebsd?! | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | gn00b: you can not brick N900 (at least not by flashing) | 01:01 |
| gn00b | ok | 01:01 |
| timeless | yeah, the playbook's onscreen keyboard (which i'm using here) is great | 01:01 |
| gn00b | i'll read up on it in a few | 01:02 |
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| lardman | was the playbook the one that was going cheap a few weeks back? | 01:02 |
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| wmarone_ | touchpad | 01:03 |
| lardman | ah yeah | 01:03 |
| wmarone_ | RIM hasn't given up (yet) | 01:03 |
| * lardman getting confused by tablet names | 01:03 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Teehee: http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support | 01:05 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: lots of potential Linux converts there then... ;) | 01:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or they go towards the (green) light. | 01:11 |
| timeless | gan: you're late | 01:11 |
| timeless | i pasted that hours ago :) | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, often. | 01:12 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is in head cold mode this week, so isn't tracking well. | 01:12 | |
| * timeless is trying slackerradio | 01:12 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I read a comment a few weeks ago with someone asking why the political food people aren't going after Google for pushing fatty foods on impressionable young people. | 01:12 |
| * lardman is in "baby asleep mode, can do some coding before heading for bed mode" | 01:12 | |
| lardman | mmmm, bacon | 01:13 |
| timeless | gan: eh? | 01:13 |
| * lardman passes some bacon to lcuk up above | 01:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ice Cream Sandwich, Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, etc. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly they're out to spread diabetes. | 01:13 |
| timeless | ah, heh | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | /satire | 01:13 |
| lardman | :) | 01:14 |
| * lardman wonders what else would make good naming schemes | 01:15 | |
| sp3000 | carcinogens? | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to do more proof reading for the MetaWatch web team. | 01:16 |
| lardman | sp3000: I was wondering about wines, and they could of course go either way according to the latest research and which way the wind is blowing | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, another firmware update for my watch. . . . | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: "suedpfaelzer nacktarsch"? | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "froehliche reblaus" | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or were you thinking more of names like cabernet, riesling, bordeaux, cianti | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lambrusco | 01:37 |
| gn00b | merlot | 01:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer heads out to get a *beer* next pub ;-D | 01:38 | |
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| lardman | it's the first letter that counts, but I'd probably go for the well known ones where possible | 01:40 |
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| lardman | night chaps | 01:42 |
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| UberNeo | does anybody now .. how to get the /home contents out from "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" .. without actually flashing it | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, everything is better than "busy beaver" "horny hedgehog" etc | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: define "get out" | 01:47 |
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| UberNeo | DocScrutinizer: why are u saying like tht | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, sorry. Took a while to parse | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, I don't think anybody knows exatly how to uncompress/unpack a eMMC image | 01:49 |
| jabis | couldn't one theoretically try and flash a qemu image contents | 01:52 |
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| jabis | nvm stoopid brainfarts tiem -.- tired and should go to bed, but still reviewing some code x) | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems like it's actually some kind of selfextracting archive that contains some scripts and probably also a tool that does the real flashing, and all this is somehow executed on a rather standard maemo system, I.E. on N900 in userland | 01:53 |
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| drifter | So I bricked my N900 by uninstalling all packages. | 03:25 |
| drifter | ...out of frustration and impatience. | 03:26 |
| drifter | So, don't hit (y) if "apt-get install -f" offers to replace every package on your device with SELinux | 03:28 |
| Proteous | bricked, I don't think that word means what you think it means | 03:29 |
| drifter | It's about as useful as a brick. | 03:30 |
| Proteous | reflash it | 03:30 |
| Proteous | ~flash | 03:31 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:31 |
| drifter | Well, almost, I'm shipping it in, it might be useful again. | 03:31 |
| drifter | It won't flash... | 03:31 |
| drifter | Either the Vista machine I was using just wasn't working for me, or it's unflashable now. | 03:31 |
| drifter | I didn't think uninstalling all of the packages would prevent me from flashing, but it behaves differently when powered off now. | 03:33 |
| drifter | The dim "Nokia" screen that you see when you plug it in to charge stays there even after you unplug it. | 03:33 |
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| drifter | Unless it was the water. | 03:35 |
| ShadowJK | IF you get a full battery it'll flash | 03:36 |
| ShadowJK | on a PC otherwise capable of flashing | 03:37 |
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| drifter | Well, damn. I sent it in earlier today. | 03:41 |
| drifter | I don't really have any other computers though | 03:41 |
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| ShadowJK | It's pretty much impossible to make it unflashable without physically damaging it | 03:41 |
| drifter | The N900 sort of filled all my computing needs.. | 03:41 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at the bag with the n900 without a USB port. | 03:42 | |
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| ShadowJK | I forget, did you attempt to repair that one? | 03:42 |
| drifter | Then, I might be in trouble | 03:42 |
| drifter | It might have been the random raindrop on the keyboard then.. | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: No - the touchscreen went wierd. And the 2g radio was dodgy. | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | oh, did you get the crossed out sim thingy | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | But only on 2g | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | interesting. capacitor fail? | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting indeed. | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Possibly. | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Or random ball disconnect | 03:44 |
| ShadowJK | random ball disconnected seemed more plausible for my first N900, as I could reliably trigger the problem by pinching phone at the "k" (on keyboard) area | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I couldn't seem to trigger that. | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | padding out the SIM seemed to change it a little, but ot much. | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | padding sim extended the "usable" period by a few months. Then when I removed all tricks, it was reliably triggerable | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | which it hadn't been the first time I noticed the problem | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | do you have any operable N900 left? | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | phew | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Listening to radio on it at the moment. | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so bad solder point at a ball of SIM holder | 03:47 |
| drifter | Are you modding the hardware? | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Then why only 2G dies? | 03:48 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect the sim holder thing is a distraction.. I mean, if we had a "Oh no, the modem crashed"-icon instead, we'd all be blaming the softwarea with these same symptoms instead of blaming the sim card | 03:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, ok. Bad solder point at the 2G sawtooth filter then? | 03:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | If 2g is enabled, what happens is that occasionally, I get 'SIM error' | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: 100 ack. The whole "pad SIM with paper" thing is a placebo | 03:50 |
| ShadowJK | I guess if I still had my crashy-modem N900 I could try put it in offline mode, start gps, and press the trigger-area and see if things still break :P | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's not - it was statistically significant here. | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | At least for several days. | 03:51 |
| drifter | What are you trying to do? | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Wondering about why my n900 modem was being wierd. And more generally what the issue is with the modem. | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know statistics. You know "several days" isn't any significant in statistics | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I think there are actually several seperate faults that people have seen. | 03:52 |
| ShadowJK | drifter, I think most common N900 failure is USB. Then the "crossed out sim" thing, where the modem part stops working correctly. We're discussing that | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably the paper padding bent the mobo | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: For a period of a week, it was fine, whereas before, it would lose SIM 20 times a day. | 03:52 |
| cehteh | elop wants your to buy a wp7 phone instead | 03:53 |
| drifter | Ah, ok | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe, if it has a flamethrower | 03:53 |
| drifter | The reason I was frustrated and bricked my phone was because I was trying to compile IRSSI from source and it wouldn't work, even it worked the first I tried it. | 03:56 |
| drifter | even though* | 03:56 |
| drifter | I think it was a glib6 dependency | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I prefer to blame BB5 silicon rotting | 03:57 |
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| ShadowJK | irssi is in the repo.. | 03:58 |
| drifter | Do you repair N900's professionally? | 03:58 |
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| drifter | It is in the repo, but I don't think it's compiled with Perl support. | 03:58 |
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| drifter | Actually, I'm pretty positive it's not compiled with Perl support. | 04:00 |
| drifter | which means you can't add plugins | 04:00 |
| drifter | like a simple script to make your phone vibrate when and ding when you get a message | 04:01 |
| drifter | if it did support perl, i'd add that script to the repository | 04:01 |
| ShadowJK | xchat has that :P | 04:02 |
| drifter | i didnt like xchat | 04:02 |
| drifter | irssi works well, fast, and is highly customizable | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<drifter> Do you repair N900's professionally?) me? | 04:02 |
| drifter | yeah | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 04:02 |
| infobot | somebody said docscrutinizer was jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 04:03 |
| drifter | DocScrutinizer: yes | 04:03 |
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| drifter | DocScrutinizer: Or are you just trying to fix your broken phone? | 04:04 |
| drifter | afk | 04:04 |
| ShadowJK | they were discussing theories of what causes the modem failure | 04:04 |
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| HyperSnyper | is there a way to get the text/search popup to appear in mediaplayer/fapman etc without opening keyboard ? | 04:37 |
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| HyperSnyper | if not how can i emulate the "spacebar" being pressed via telnet ? | 04:42 |
| HyperSnyper | ^^ | 04:51 |
| HyperSnyper | > install xdotool | 04:51 |
| HyperSnyper | > xdotool key space | 04:51 |
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| HyperSnyper | hmm that works for contacts/app manager but with media player "space" does play/pause | 05:37 |
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| woldrich | infobot, shut up | 07:43 |
| infobot | yes, master woldrich | 07:43 |
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| opek | can i somehow edit contents of emmc flash image for N900, i would need to add some files to it | 09:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | not easily but there are threads on doing so, there's even a blog post about it | 09:29 |
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| opek | hmm... i have tried to find those without any luck | 09:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | well no you can't really remaster the bin file I'm afraid but you can get flasher to flash the compiled image that you made | 09:30 |
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| opek | yep, the problem is that i would need to make several n900s to have same files in system and mass memory | 09:32 |
| opek | it would be easiest to do it with flasher | 09:32 |
| opek | so far i have been able to produce rootfs to be flashed but still would need some way to do it with emmc... | 09:32 |
| psycho_oreos | contrary to that nokia has not released how their bin files are compiled so there's no shortcut here | 09:32 |
| opek | ok then i understand | 09:33 |
| psycho_oreos | I thought emmc structures were similar no? | 09:33 |
| opek | no idea :D | 09:33 |
| opek | i just followed some instructions for backing up system and making rootfs image | 09:33 |
| psycho_oreos | mmm I gotta extract a emmc file and examine it but I'm sure the huge file after being extracted should be the rootfs | 09:34 |
| opek | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 09:34 |
| opek | that site has what i have done so far | 09:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | compressed tarball or the other format? ubifs? | 09:35 |
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| opek | tar was what i got out of that BackupMenu | 09:36 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah you'll need to convert that tarball into ubifs before it could be used with flasher | 09:36 |
| opek | hmm... yep, you are right that's what i infact did | 09:37 |
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| opek | there are intructions on that same site, just followed those | 09:37 |
| psycho_oreos | the other thing is that I'm not sure whether or not can flasher distinguish the difference between rootfs image for the actual root filesystem and rootfs image for emmc | 09:38 |
| opek | oh, i thought that rootfs image is only for root filesystem | 09:39 |
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| opek | i must say that i don't know much about that flashing | 09:39 |
| psycho_oreos | well if you see the combined firmware and emmc firmware, they only flash portions of the device. I can see that the code robbiethe1st has posted up definitely needs to be changed or else you will write to / instead of /home/user/MyDocs | 09:40 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm starting to lean towards thinking that the flasher couldn't tell the difference and would flash from / unless if you specify within the premade ubifs image that the contents is to be placed elsewhere within the filesystem | 09:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's definitely lots of redefining to do apart from whats mentioned by that thread, the size would be completely different as well | 09:42 |
| opek | yep... | 09:43 |
| psycho_oreos | how many N900 are you planning to deploy it on? just out of curiousity | 09:43 |
| opek | i was infact thinking that would it be possible to flash that rootfs to root filesystem then take original emmc from nokia, modify it and flash it with flasher but might be close to impossible task :) | 09:44 |
| psycho_oreos | that's what I thought you would be inclined to do, but like I said you can't remake the bin file as provided by nokia. The only closest thing you can get to is making a ubifs image | 09:44 |
| opek | just a couple but possibly need to do it several times, so it's starting to look like i'll do it using some other way :) | 09:44 |
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| opek | it's getting too complicated :) | 09:46 |
| psycho_oreos | it'll definitely be less of an experiment if you go through say wireless maybe. Maybe even wired with USB hostmode and going through wired switches instead | 09:46 |
| opek | yep | 09:46 |
| * psycho_oreos wonders how many is a couple lol, there was some rumours someone intended to purchase 10 (!) N900. | 09:47 | |
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| opek | :) | 09:48 |
| psycho_oreos | That's not you is it? | 09:48 |
| opek | nope | 09:48 |
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| * psycho_oreos has 3 though | 09:48 | |
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| woldrich | psycho_oreos, I was going to buy a bunch. I expected them to be cheap enough today. So I checked the prices, and you'll have to pay almost twice as much as I did for my first n900 2 years ago. What the fuck man | 09:50 |
| woldrich | they're cheap in uk, but still | 09:50 |
| psycho_oreos | woldrich, I'm guessing people realise that N900 are rare on the markets now that nokia no longer has interest in maemo realms and the power of these devices | 09:51 |
| woldrich | :( | 09:51 |
| woldrich | the reason why I wanted more is because I doubt there'll be anything like the n900 for at least a couple of years | 09:52 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm guessing about 1/5 of the buyers may probably be script kiddies whom saw N900 is capable of cracking wireless networks | 09:52 |
| woldrich | meh | 09:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | I didn't buy all 3 of mine at once, but I'm just building up my safety net for the very same reason as yours. Except I also do tinkering every now and then | 09:53 |
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| woldrich | psycho_oreos, what do you use your 3 for? please tell me you're building clusters and setting up distcc and stuff | 09:53 |
| woldrich | right | 09:54 |
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| woldrich | are you using maemo on all of them? | 09:55 |
| psycho_oreos | woldrich, nothing interesting for distcc, initially I was thinking of setting up my third N900 as a gamer device (with that game pad attachment) but now am only thinking of setting up as 4th alarm clock and probably be serving as stable builds | 09:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah | 09:55 |
| psycho_oreos | I still am planning to triple boot at least two | 09:55 |
| woldrich | game pad attachment? :o | 09:55 |
| psycho_oreos | I think its called gamegripper, I don't know if they are still for sale | 09:56 |
| woldrich | heh. cute | 09:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | also depending on my finances I may do some hardware modding on my N900, so if I screw one up I still have two to play around (lol) | 09:56 |
| woldrich | what kind of modding? | 09:57 |
| woldrich | it seems I just bought a game gripper... though their main site seems dead | 09:57 |
| psycho_oreos | battery mods, antenna mods, and maybe add more extra chips (such as gyroscope and compass) maybe even those plastic cooling fins (hopefully I could buy maybe 1 metre cubed and so I could cut them and use them for various other things) | 09:58 |
| woldrich | I wish I could hack hardware as well as software :/ | 09:59 |
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| woldrich | The most noteworthy hardware hack I've made is connecting a commodore amiga mouse to my computer | 10:00 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't expect my hardware hacking to be as spectacular as software hacking though I'm eager to give it a shot. I have many other devices that I want to mod as well | 10:00 |
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| woldrich | :( | 10:00 |
| mece | hey I remember a pretty good wiki page with python dbus examples on maemo.org but now I can't find it. Does anyone know the url? | 10:01 |
| mece | about call handling and such | 10:01 |
| psycho_oreos | lol never owned a commodore amiga so I wouldn't know and I don't think I've done anything interesting either. Apart from adding cooling fans to various bits and pieces, stripping stuff apart, etc | 10:01 |
| mece | nevermind, found it: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 10:02 |
| woldrich | hmm, I wonder if there are better batteries fitting the n900 | 10:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | there was a thread for it, search for that 3000+mAH battery conversion | 10:03 |
| jaska | theres atleast a mugen 2800mAh, some people have made their own | 10:03 |
| woldrich | sadly that tells me nothing. I suck at everything that's not code | 10:04 |
| jaska | well, its about double the capacity of the default one | 10:04 |
| psycho_oreos | mugen's idea of battery is not bad but imo the replacement back cover to fit that new battery in looks fugly regardless if its the old one or the new redesigned back cover | 10:04 |
| woldrich | ah. that sounds great. Is it a lot heavier? | 10:04 |
| woldrich | oh. :( | 10:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 10:05 |
| jaska | mine has the mugen 2800mAh, i dont think its ugly | 10:06 |
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| jaska | but then again, i used to be happy with a 2110i with the high-capacity battery back in mid 90s :) | 10:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html | 10:06 |
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| jaska | hmm, i thought it was 2800.. my mistake | 10:07 |
| psycho_oreos | the standard N900 back cover should be an ideal base to work with and they should just extend the depth of the back cover, maybe even make a bigger kickstand than the puny standard kickstand | 10:08 |
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| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 9h 48m 25s ago, saying: 'or $800..'. | 12:21 |
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| beecon | samba-common is broken on my device. when i try to remove it through apt-get it says E: The package samba-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.also it is imposible to install anything else because apt says same thing as this and doesnt let me to install anything | 13:31 |
| beecon | and when im trying to remove it through dpkg,it says Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. | 13:32 |
| beecon | but reinstalling is imposible | 13:32 |
| beecon | how can i remove this shit? | 13:33 |
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| beecon | pastebin.com/H0YE3mQD | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | beecon, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postrm and pastebin it | 13:43 |
| beecon | hey muhammad, i like u so much.ok ill do this | 13:44 |
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| beecon | mohammadag: here it is pastebin.com/YQrMScCE | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | that should work fine, something's wrong with your busybox | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | edit the file and remove the "-e" though it should work as is | 13:50 |
| beecon | which -e? | 13:51 |
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| beecon | mohammadag: i did it.also tried dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq but didnt work. | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | /bin/sh -e | 13:52 |
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| beecon | well i did it. didn't work | 13:54 |
| beecon | mohammadag : i just want to remove it to fix the dpkg. isn't this possible to do this by hand and manually? | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | beecon, well if you want, remove the file all in all | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postrm | 13:57 |
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| beecon | tnx mohammadag. | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsckng samba, we had this before | 14:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hokay - device is with UPS now. | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: kicked some more lazy arses today, at customs/DHL? | 16:15 |
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| b00^portal | Hello | 16:17 |
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| ErwinJunge | ~seen javispedro | 16:27 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 13h 53m 56s ago, saying: 'or $800..'. | 16:27 |
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| ErwinJunge | I should probably ask javispedro, but does anyone in here have experience with SDL_gles? I'm getting a EGL_BAD_CONFIG error on SDL_GLES_MakeCurrent | 16:29 |
| b00^portal | hi there, anyone knows/ can suggest where I can get detailed info on the NFC kernel driver , nfc hal, lib, tools, for the linux on Nokia N9 ? | 16:31 |
| ErwinJunge | Isn't this the wrong channel for that? You probably have a better chance in #harmattan (but I might be wrong, I'm very confused on exactly what it is the N9 is running) | 16:33 |
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| b00^portal | as i 've read on Wiki, 'it technically running an instance of MeeGoo, and Harmattan is a Maemo 6 .. | 16:36 |
| b00^portal | at least as far as I read this on wiki for N9 .. | 16:36 |
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| ErwinJunge | #meego then? | 16:37 |
| b00^portal | how would meego have kernel information ? | 16:37 |
| b00^portal | from what I understand its a Qt layer | 16:37 |
| ErwinJunge | It's a full blown linux os | 16:38 |
| ErwinJunge | With all kinds of proprietary security stuff added onto it | 16:38 |
| b00^portal | i see | 16:38 |
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| ErwinJunge | But like I said, I might be wrong :) | 16:38 |
| b00^portal | there is a chance you are | 16:39 |
| b00^portal | :) | 16:39 |
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| rlinfati | b00^portal, dpkg -l | grep nfc | 16:39 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer is probably the one with the answers here | 16:39 |
| b00^portal | at least i got my /bin/sh, and got excited that its a linux kernel.. | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O ? | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sdl_gles? NFC | 16:39 |
| b00^portal | rlinfati, 1 sec .. | 16:40 |
| ErwinJunge | By which I mean you know a lot more about N9 and meego/maemo/harmattan/whatever they call it nowadays and can probably help b00^portal better | 16:40 |
| ErwinJunge | Didn't mean about sdl_gles, that was a general call for help. If nobody replies to that I'll just wait for javispedro to show up | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9(50) runs meego-harmattan which actually is maemo with a meego "skin" | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yes, N9-NFC related questions are best asked in #harmattan | 16:42 |
| b00^portal | crap how to I get the | on that kb :) | 16:42 |
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| b00^portal | DocScrutinizer, i'm asking at #harmattan too | 16:42 |
| b00^portal | rlinfati, yep, ok, i didnt think dpkg was installed on the phone at all | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | b00^portal: you won't find a single user who knows anything about N9 NFC, is available here and not listening at #harmattan | 16:44 |
| rlinfati | maemo6 is debian-based, also is apt | 16:44 |
| b00^portal | yea, i'm just more used to non-upgradable systems, where pkg management is removed :) | 16:45 |
| b00^portal | bad thinking .. | 16:45 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, weekends start today for Israel | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that my N9 adventure is any better, no answer from Quim nor from Ronan, at all | 17:15 |
| Corsac | I mailed Quim 2 day ago, no answer | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: He went to the Qt dev days. | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: So don't expect an answer this week. | 17:15 |
| b00^portal | right, so you guys have some internal Nokia contacts ? >:P | 17:16 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: good point | 17:16 |
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| jonwil | time to release libconnui-dev-0.1 :) | 19:00 |
| jonwil | and operator-name-cbs-widget-0.1 | 19:00 |
| jonwil | libconnui-dev-0.1 covers some of the most interesting functions in libconnui and libconnui_cell | 19:00 |
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| jonwil | hopefully I can turn libconnui-dev into a package worthy of the repos | 19:03 |
| jonwil | anyone know who is in charge of deciding what goes into the cssu? | 19:04 |
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| ErwinJunge | jonwil: What does it do? :) | 19:14 |
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| jonwil | libconnui-dev is a set of reverse engineered headers for the closed-source libconnui and libconnui_cell libraries | 19:14 |
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| ErwinJunge | And what do those do? :) | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, join #maemo-ssu | 19:16 |
| jonwil | these libraries are used by (among other things) the operator name widget, the cell signal strength widget, the wifi signal strength widget, the thing where you select your wifi network, the control panel for phone settings and a bunch more | 19:19 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: don't see anything wrong with it, either way, it is a widget, so it can be optional | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, it's replacing the stock operator-name widget | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's *cough* patching libsms.so binary ;-D | 20:13 |
| javispedro | qwerty12 did one that was optional | 20:13 |
| javispedro | ah | 20:13 |
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| yigal | Samsung Galaxy Note review what we wanted from the N900 but it's just a joke | 20:13 |
| yigal | what is? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is the point where I think it shoukd go to CSSU | 20:14 |
| yigal | The operating system | 20:14 |
| yigal | hey people are talking? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the binary patch got "evaluated" on my everyday phone since several months now | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | What's the best thing since sliced bread? | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | Sliced bread with Ice Cream | 20:14 |
| javispedro | yigal: if the question was, "what is the operating system of the samsung galaxy note?", the answer is, some stupid Android version | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | and that's how Ice Cream Sandwich was born | 20:14 |
| * MohammadAG runs again | 20:15 | |
| ErwinJunge | javispedro: Could you help me out a bit with SDL_gles? I'm getting a EGL_BAD_CONFIG error on SDL_GLES_MakeCurrent | 20:15 |
| yigal | javispedro: no, not the question | 20:15 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: pass the code | 20:15 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: or a small sample, or all calls to SDL_GLES you are doing before | 20:15 |
| ErwinJunge | Coming up | 20:15 |
| javispedro | also, you are getting the error via SDL_GetError()? | 20:16 |
| ErwinJunge | yes | 20:16 |
| javispedro | and what does the entire message say? | 20:17 |
| javispedro | maybe you are not calling SDL_GLES_CreateContext? | 20:18 |
| ErwinJunge | EGL failed to create a window surface: EGL_BAD_CONFIG | 20:18 |
| ErwinJunge | Yes I am, right above it :) That actually returns fine. | 20:18 |
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| yigal | how dull | 20:20 |
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| javispedro | what a guy.. | 20:20 |
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| ErwinJunge | javispedro: I've cut out most of the app specific code, but these are all the SDL/SDL_GLES calls that are called (in this order) before failure. http://pastebin.com/XR65CJbV | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ?? | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: did you understand <yigal> above? | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, yigal left, uttering "how dull"? yeah, weird | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | ErwinJunge: I am sure the problem lies in the size calls; if you comment out the four it'll work. | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: probably joined wrong chan | 20:25 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: which special color/alpha size requeriments you have? | 20:25 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: also, if you really need alpha output (why?) maemo will only do that if you set 32bpp as the windows' depth (in the later SDL_SetVideoMode call) | 20:26 |
| javispedro | (and it will be über slow) | 20:26 |
| ErwinJunge | the size calls only define rgb565 (so alpha = 0) | 20:26 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: then you can remove them just fine | 20:26 |
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| javispedro | ErwinJunge: there was a bug in the driver documented somewhere in bugs.maemo.org that if you specificy a too restrictive set of parameters for configuration search driver will do "funny things" | 20:27 |
| javispedro | possibly https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9335 | 20:27 |
| povbot` | Bug 9335: egl fb config attributes support broken (doesnt follow egl spec at any rate). | 20:27 |
| ErwinJunge | Recompiling now, will let you know what happens | 20:28 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: but on Maemo, if you just remove those constraints driver will just select rgb565 so it should work | 20:28 |
| ErwinJunge | Clear | 20:28 |
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| ErwinJunge | javispedro: It works now, thanks. Well, "works" isn't very accurate, but the error is gone ;) | 20:38 |
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| jack_lt | hmm there was a youtube video about someone connecting a sennheiser mic into the n900 via the audio/ video cable, but can't find it anymore | 22:23 |
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| jacekowski | just plug it in | 22:29 |
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| ShadowJK | if it has iphone pinout it wont work | 22:30 |
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| jack_lt | I would use the vid for orientation | 22:35 |
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| jack_lt | my n900 as hand recorder http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/h4/ | 22:36 |
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| gn00b | haven't googled it, thought i'd ask here 1st. can i do a hard reset on my nokia n900 with winxp 64bit? | 22:49 |
| _trine | n900 phones seem to be going cheap on Ebay | 22:49 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, ping | 23:10 |
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| ZogG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezzTusd1Kus&feature=player_embedded#! - nice fake n9 with meego anna win7 UIS in the same tie =) | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | well, vmware guys were doing something around phone virtualisation | 23:26 |
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