IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-10-26

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DocScrutinizerthe one I left? :-D00:11
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javispedrothat one indeed.00:24
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* DocScrutinizer blames javispedro for making him read posts like
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javispedroyou are entirely to blame00:32
javispedroI don't usually sigh after reading a high quality post ;P00:32
* DocScrutinizer is afraid of next sleep - nightmare of getting a job at first level helpdesk pending00:33
javispedroa helpdesk job?00:34
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javispedroa large, red, flashing "ABORT MISSION" usually appears on my brain after the word helpdesk is heard00:34
DocScrutinizerI might have a nighmare of that00:34
DocScrutinizerthe "is it safe" thread gave my subconscious enough of ideas for a decent nightmare next night. And I'm actually about to sign an employment where it's unclear what I will have to do, so... :-O00:36
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* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what happpened to that guy who wanted to swap borked eMMC for a uSD some days ago. Did he succeed in editing all mmcblk[01] occurrences and movinf /home and swap (and MyDocs) over to uSD?01:19
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jonwilanyone here good with autoconf/automake who can take a look at my makefiles and see why they arent doing what I want?03:08
jonwilRelavent bits are at
jonwilI just cant get it to output the cbspatch binary :(03:10
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cehtehjonwil: i am to lazy to download/unzip it, may you paste the relevent parts to a pastebin?03:15
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jonwilThats got the 3 relavent files pasted into it03:18
jonwilor what should be the relavent files03:18
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cehteheek SUBDIRS= :P03:28
cehtehjonwil: noinst_PROGRAMS = cbspatch03:29
cehtehinstead  cbspatch_PROGRAMS =03:30
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jonwilIs that what I want if I am using dpkg to package this binary up?03:30
cehtehnope .. you asked for building it :)03:31
jonwilor whatever the command is03:31
cehtehwell bin_PROGRAMS then?03:31
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jonwilok, bin_PROGRAMS it is03:31
cehtehnote: i dont know about package building03:31
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cehtehjust a bit of autotools03:31
jonwilI just need to know what the right statement is for that so that the binary will end up in /usr/bin if I did a "make install"03:32
jonwilthen the dpkg bits should do the rest03:32
cehtehyes bin_PROGRAMS then03:32
jonwilso bin_PROGRAMS causes output to go to /usr/bin and not /bin?03:33
cehtehwhatever your prefix is03:36
cehtehby default its /usr/local .. but i bet debian package sets it to /usr03:36
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jonwilok, I did things and its now just saying "make: nothing to be done for 'all'"03:39
jonwilwith bin_PROGRAMS set03:39
jonwiljust running normal make, not dpkg stuff03:40
jonwilhaving re-run automake etc03:40
cehtehnormally not (if yes then your packaging is broken)03:40
cehtehoh well .. using SUBDIRS= is broken :P03:40
cehtehbut check if it created the binary03:40
cehtehin the build dir (or some subdir, depending on the setup)03:41
jonwilit didnt create the binary03:41
cehtehsorry i avoid recursive builds .. to much pita03:42
jonwilwhen I run autoreconf to do the autoconf bits, it says "unused variable: cbspatch_SOURCES"03:42
cehtehrather doing a include for sub makefiles03:42
cehteheh what have you now?03:43
cehtehsome typo?03:43
cehtehpastebin it03:43
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jonwilthats the makefile as it looks bnow03:44
jonwilduh, bin_PROGAMS?03:44
jonwilbah :P03:45
jonwillets see if this does something now03:45
cehtehhaha and not 2 underscores03:45
cehtehat __SOURCES and __CFLAGS03:45
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jonwilok, trying again03:46
jonwilnow it doesnt tell me "unused variable blah"03:46
jonwilso it should build03:47
jonwilwe have a binary :)03:48
jonwilthanks for your help03:48
jonwilnow the packaging should grab the binary03:49
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SpeedEvilOkaay. Has anyone seen a thing where the phone will not properly respond to touch events - it responds to the first click, then acts like the button is held down.05:03
SpeedEvilI don't think it's hardware, as if I lock, and unlock, a new event is generated at the right screen location.05:03
SpeedEvilAnd yes - reflash is the simple answer which gets more complex without a USB port05:13
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jonwilIf this displays the right output, I think we are good to go with cell broadcast SMS :)05:34
jonwilYES, its displaying an incoming cell broadcast05:36
jonwilall the packaging and patching seems to be WORKING at last05:36
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orangeyjonwil: what are you making?06:40
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jonwilstuff for cell broadcast SMS06:40
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orangeyI figured from what you were saying..06:40
orangeywhat kind of stuff?06:40
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jonwilbasically what I have now is a program that replaces the operator name widget and displays the tower name/ID as sent by the tower06:41
jonwilif the tower sends one that is06:41
orangeyjonwil: nice06:41
jonwilworks great06:42
orangeyjonwil: are you on n900 or n9?06:42
orangeyI love the n90006:42
orangeyI hope something as free comes along before its days are up06:43
jonwilyes I hope so too06:43
orangeybut honestly, if it can live as long as my n810 (still active), then I'm good.06:43
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jonwilIf I was to buy a phone right now, I would go for a Galaxy Nexus06:43
orangeyI expect a very long life for the n900, though06:43
orangeyjonwil: agreed.06:43
orangeyjonwil: though I really, really want a keyboard!06:43
orangeythe other thing - does ANY phone have anything resembling 'conversations'?06:44
jonwilGive me a Galaxy Nexus with a keyboard and it would be great06:44
orangeyconversations is *amazing*06:44
jonwilI dont know, I think the iPhone SMS app may be close06:44
jonwilbut I havent used it myself06:44
orangeynot really. it doesn't combine jabber, whatnot into one place06:44
orangeyunless ios5 has cahnged that06:45
jonwil hmm yeah good point06:45
orangeyhow could nobody else have thought of that? it is amazing06:46
orangeyanyway, I tried using a friend's android for a few weeks.. and that alone was a huge deal breaker06:47
orangeyalso, the media player was terrible.. no easy way to podcast. even when I did podcast, no easy media player..06:48
jonwilIf the Galaxy Nexus is as open as the Nexus S is, it would be a good phone. Nexus S only has an AKM blob for the orientation sensor, a Broadcom blob for WiFi/Bluetooth/GPS, a PowerVR blob for the GPU, an NXP blob for the NFC and a Samsung blob for the cell radio interface06:48
jonwilbut the nexus S has no keyboard06:48
orangeythat is a lot of blobs06:48
jonwilso its not the phone for me06:48
jonwilThe N900 has a lot more blobs than that06:48
jonwilThe N900 has many closed-source components06:49
orangeyI didn't realize06:49
jonwilright now though, the most annoying closed-source component is libconnui and libconnui_cell06:50
orangeythat's what you're working against?06:50
orangeyisn't that just the cell radio interface?06:50
jonwilThats what I have been reverse engineering06:50
orangeywhat are the implications of your work now? can libconnui be replaced now?06:51
jonwilnope, thats not what I am aiming at06:51
jonwilbasically what you have is the cellular services daemon (CSD) and its plugins06:51
jonwilwhich talk to the cellular modem06:51
jonwilOne part of my project is to apply a binary patch to the closed-source (which is the low level library used to talk to the cell modem SMS interface) to fix a bug in it06:52
jonwilsaid bug prevented cell broadcast SMSs from being passed up the stack properly06:52
jonwilThe other part of my project is a replacement for the operator name widget that displays both the operator name and the tower name (if there is a tower name)06:53
jonwilThis uses dbus to talk to the cellular services daemon06:54
jonwilboth to listen for status updates (such as change-of-tower and others) and for incoming cell broadcast SMS messages06:54
jonwilif it finds one on the right channel (channel 50) it displays it as the tower name06:54
orangeywhat's a cell broadcast sms?06:55
orangeyis that a message from the operator or something?06:55
jonwilThats what it is06:56
jonwillibconnui and libconnui_cell are libraries that talk dbus to the cellular services daemon and provide an interface that is used by all of the stock connectivity UI06:57
jonwillike the dialog for selecting a wifi network06:57
jonwilor the phone settings control panel06:57
jonwilor the widget that tells you if you are on 2G or 3G and how much signal you have06:57
jonwilor the stock operator name widget06:57
jonwilnow as for my widget, there are 2 things I still want to do to it. The first is I want to find out what to do with cell broadcast messages other than channel 50 and how those should be displayed/handled.06:58
jonwilThe other issue is that the operator name I get is not correct06:58
jonwilWhat I have been trying (unsuccessfully) to do is to figure out how the stock operator name widget gets the operator name. I know it uses some functions in libconnui_cell to do it06:59
jonwilBut I cant find out how the operator name widget calls those functions or what those functions do inside07:00
jonwilso I cant get the proper operator name07:00
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jonwilwhich is why I wish I had the header files or source for libconnui_cell and libconnui :(07:01
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jonwilbah, I just cant find anything useful to finish this project off (either the correct operator name or what to do with cell broadcast messages other than channel 60)08:07
jonwilchannel 5008:07
jonwilI am extremely happy that its actually working and displaying the right cell tower name08:12
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slonopotamusmeh, diablo kernel doesn't work with glibc >= 2.1209:07
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* jonwil wishes reverse engineer ARM binaries wasnt so hard :(09:15
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slonopotamusjonwil: ain't it as hard as any other binaries?09:18
jonwilx86 is nice09:18
jonwilI like x86, its not so hard09:19
jonwilARM is hard09:19
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badbeeshi. i have installed kernel power 42 and aircrack and wifi driver selector applet.when i try to load bleeding edge drivers it says Error while loading kernel modules ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device10:12
badbeesive downloaded bleeding edge drivers through this applet10:13
psycho_oreoscheck dmesg as to the reason why.. maybe the bleeding edge drivers may not be compatible with that kernel version10:17
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badbeespsycho_oreos : so where can i find compatible driver?10:24
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psycho_oreosbadbees, there isn't. I think its a minimum requirement that you must have kp47 or later.10:25
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badbeespsycho_oreos : is that unstable?10:27
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psycho_oreosbadbees, stable in some ways, unstable in others10:27
psycho_oreosbadbees, much the same as the bleeding-edge driver, some functions work whilst other functions won't10:28
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DocScrutinizerevil spammer10:35
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DocScrutinizerno zwhois here10:36
psycho_oreosdescr:        VietNam Post and Telecom Corporation (VNPT)10:37
DocScrutinizer;; AUTHORITY SECTION:10:37   26600   IN      NS   26600   IN      NS
DocScrutinizerfakes "my" postmaster, sends attachment.zip10:37
DocScrutinizer;; ANSWER SECTION:10:40 86324 IN   PTR     localhost.10:41
jaskahostile hostmaster10:42
DocScrutinizerhow would I examine a .zip in a safe way?10:44
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psycho_oreosthrough a sandbox?10:46
DocScrutinizer X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_60,10:47
DocScrutinizer         FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,MISSING_MID,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.510:47
JaffaMoring all from Npokia World10:47
DocScrutinizermoo Jaffa10:47
jaskaexcited about winphones?:P10:47
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JaffaSillyiPad/Terminus keyboard10:48
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Jaffajaska: Not at all.10:49
jaskayeah, i wasnt expecting you to be10:50
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jonwilI refuse to have anything to do with a phone that requires payment of money in order to develop for it10:57
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jaskaand i refuse to have anything to do with phones that dont have keyboards.10:58
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jonwilsame here10:59
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DocScrutinizerhaha, >>[Virus entfernt]<<11:09
DocScrutinizerSubject: Delivery reports about your e-mail11:10
DocScrutinizer>>Your email account was used to send a huge amount of spam during this week.11:11
DocScrutinizerMost likely your computer was infected by a recent virus and now runs a hidden proxy server.11:11
DocScrutinizerWe recommend you to follow the instruction in order to keep your computer safe.<<11:11
jogasend credit card details to remedy situation?11:12
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DocScrutinizerquite a bit ironic how the timeline seems inverted here11:12
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DocScrutinizerdunno, I'd never open such a attachment.zip11:12
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DocScrutinizeralas my account mail server doesn't tell *which* virus it removed11:14
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DocScrutinizerbut "your computer is infected and most likely sends spam - please follow instructions in attached" is really a funny catch11:15
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Jartzanokia lumia 800, nokia räntiä 900 and nokia sohjoja 1000? :)11:54
Jartzasorry, only finns will get that :/11:54
jaskanokia rakeita11:55
_berto_I assume they're different types of snow?11:56
inzrakeita is actually hail, but otherwise yes11:56
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jonwilgod I hate dbus sometimes :(12:29
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crashanddieI just might have lunch with RMS.12:34
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jonwilAnyone know anything about dbus-glib?
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iuuso_Jartza: nice :D12:48
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iuuso_good luck translating that joke. ;)12:48
iuuso_wonder what kind of reaction "nokia lumia" does in spain.12:50
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BluesLeesomeone followed nokias keynote this morning?12:51
SpeedEvilOh dear.12:52
SpeedEvilWhat was it?12:52
BluesLeefor me it was dissappointing12:52
SpeedEvilThey've decided to axe windows, and go for a new OS, based on GEM?12:52
ShadowJKwindows arriving in Bangladesh before christmas, or something.12:53
BluesLeethe only interesting fact is that the nokia lumia 800 or whatever it is called will be priced at 420 €12:53
SpeedEvilIs that windows?12:53
ShadowJKthe "N9 with windows"12:53
BluesLeeyepp, with a better cpu12:54
ShadowJKwho knows what's inside though. was it said?12:54
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ShadowJKNow you've got to elaborate :P12:54
iuuso_there wasn't any 'mindblowing' stuff with the new phones, for what i noticed.12:54
ShadowJKbecause if it's 1.2Ghz qualcomm, it isn't "better"12:54
iuuso_where there any other releases today than the lumia 800?12:55
BluesLeeShadowJK: i mean the cpu in the n9 is a real "old" one, every new announced smartphone will have a better cpu except the gta04:-)12:56
ShadowJKBluesLee; well it's equivalent to 2Ghz snapdragon isn't it...12:56
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BluesLeei thought nokia world 2011 could be a turning point for nokia, now i have my doubts12:57
ShadowJKyou can't turn on glass windows, they go *crash* and break :P12:58
BluesLeemaybe nokia cant present it, for instance apples siri, it make a good impression durung the keynote, it tested it and its crap, really crap12:59
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ShadowJKomap4 dualcore would get more points in blogs and such, but atleast last time I checked omap4's ram controller was so slow it as a whole even runs slower in some circumstances  than the omap3 in N9 :/13:00
ShadowJKif TI manages to fix that though omap4 would be awesome :)13:01
dm8tbrShadowJK: did you check on a 4430 or 4460? I think they did some stuff, but I'm not sure.13:02
edheldiliuuso_:  some Asha phones13:02
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ShadowJKdm8tbr; we'll find out once pandaboard ships with it? :P13:03
dm8tbrShadowJK: mru or someone reported having one of them ;)13:03
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dm8tbrdunno if it ships to general public yet though.13:04
ShadowJKlast time I saw he was still bitching about ram speed :/13:04
ShadowJKthough it's hard to tell whether the daily rant stopped because he got fed up at the silence, or because it was fixed? :P13:05
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ShadowJKor maybe ranting elsewhere instead13:06
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edheldilhave I missed something, or did Nokia show much more love to L800 than to n900 and n9 combined?13:08
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vdvwhere does kernel binary reside on maemo?13:11
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jonwilon one of the /dev/mtd partitions I believe13:12
vdvwhy after installing multiboot it's in /boot/multiboot ?13:12
jonwilI know nothing about multiboot13:12
jonwiland from what I gather, people around here dont like multiboot all that much...13:13
vdvand file with the same name doesn't present on the system before multiboot, vmlinuz-2.6.28-omap113:13
fluxI imagine if you have multiboot, you perhaps have a 'boot kernel' in the mtd partition and it starts off the real kernel stored elsewhere13:13
fluxor one of the several kernels13:13
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vdvafter installing nitdroid, it's started successfully (and maemo too), but after switching to another nitdroid kernel maemo boots, but nitdroid not, i don't understand what's happend13:16
flux..maybe the nitroid folks would know more about that?13:18
vdvnothing happens on the channel13:19
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Sicelounfortunately, u won't get much on multiboot here too13:24
jonwilif I can fix this dbus_g_proxy_call call, my plugin will be almost perfect for my needs :)13:26
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ShadowJKfrom what I've heard, multiboot is a script that flashes new kernel on boot and redirects bootup?13:28
jonwilall I know about multiboot is that its a piece of junk :)13:30
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* jonwil would give anything to have full documentation on the dbus interface to the Cellular Services Daemon :(13:49
mecejonwil, I thought we had that13:49
jonwilits totally undocumented13:49
jonwilunless you know something I dont13:49
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jonwilthere is a libcsnet-dev package that contains some vague bits about
jonwiland I think I might have seen some documentation somewhere about
jonwilbut there is nothing whatsoever on,,, or
jonwiloh wait there are 1 or 2 tiny bits on a wiki page somewhere13:52
jonwilbut by far the vast bulk of* and* is undocumented13:53
jonwil:(13:53 is top of my wishlist13:53
mecejonwil, :/13:53
jonwilwith and next13:53
jonwilso many of the "good" bits of Maemo are totally undocumented and closed13:55
jonwilwhich sucks :(13:55
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chem|stjonwil: undocumented or closed14:03
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jonwilboth in most cases :(14:04
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jonwillike anything that talks to the cell modem14:04
chem|stthere is some docu on that I thought14:05
Kaadlajkat least is documented but I guess libcsnet-doc package is not available?14:05
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jonwilphone.sim and csd.sms are totally unknown14:05
jonwilwhich is why my code for getting the operator name is not working14:05
chem|stthe latest comment by a.klapper on bug 3399 was that nokia considers maemo5 stable and will only fix heavy bugs14:06
povbot`Bug Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise14:06
jonwilyeah we know maemo5 is dead14:06
jonwilwould still be nice to see more documentation though14:07
chem|stjonwil: but he thinks he still needs to explain (that was yesterday btw)14:07
chem|steven the n900 maemo website is fwd to n9 now14:07
jonwilReleasing the right pieces of docs and header files would enable the community to do all the things they want to do without Nokia needing to write any code or fix any bugs...14:09
Kaadlajklibsim-doc has the phone.sim interface documentation14:09
jonwillibsim-doc doesnt exist14:09
Kaadlajkit does in internal repos14:09
jonwilyeah :(14:09
jonwilAll the docs and dev packages that we need to push maemo5 to the next level do exist. But Nokia just wont release them :(14:10
chem|stKaadlajk: they should make m5 public, a christmas gift to the community14:10
KaadlajkI can leak if someone pays the fines and serves the time :-)14:11
chem|steven with nda for developer folks it would be a good gesture14:11
chem|stKaadlajk: someone should accidentially drop it on some git account14:11
chem|stget the login details of someone you do not like and use his account to upload it...14:12
chem|stwhile he is at a meeting...14:12
chem|stI'd prefer nokia's ceo's account, time to replace him anyways14:13
Kaadlajkhas to be a long meeting14:13
chem|stKaadlajk: has to be a fast uplink14:13
chem|stif started as system task it will run in background even if noone is logged in14:14
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jonwilwell that test was sucessful14:37
jonwilI picked up about 6 different towers in my walk around the block14:38
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jonwilAssuming I can get this dbus stuff fixed, tomorrow I will go on a massive test and pass through as many towers as possible14:40
jonwilto see that it all works :)14:40
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ruskie <-- rofl @bootnote15:20
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cityLightsok, going to the irclog and searching for n9 was a mistake15:22
cityLightsbut can anyone here please update me ?15:22
cityLightswhat is goinf on with the N9? is it out?15:22
auenfits definately out15:22
auenfbut its never going to be out everywhre15:23
auenfthe 'other' markets get 800 instead15:24
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ruskiecityLights, <-- here's your "N9" ;)15:27
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auenfmy N9 is sitting in the local store waiting for me to decide whether i need 16GB or 64GB :P15:27
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auenf800 only comes with 16GB (plus 25GB skydrive) it seems15:28
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cityLightsso the ppl that got the n950 , where the last ownr of a linux based nokia phone15:28
RST38h"Nokia's Brave New World is (almost) Finn-free" (C)TheRegister15:29
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RST38h"The only Finnish presence on stage during the 90-minute opening session of Nokia World this year was a dead architect. None of the five speakers was a Finn, and they said some very un-Nokian things."15:29
cityLightsso I should have asked for a n9 dev kit15:30
ShadowJKcityLights; N950 is as linux (or not) as N9?15:31
ruskiewith a lock and chain ;)15:31
auenfcityLights, iirc, meego/maemo/harmattan isnt dead15:35
auenfit is 'future disruptions' or something15:35
cityLightsok, let me ask it easy, which phone can I buy to use with python and open phone15:36
cityLightsthe phone api15:36
Sicelowow! n9 really looks great. saw one here 30 minutes ago15:38
ShadowJKI'm not sure if phone api is open or not15:39
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Sicelojonwil was saying one keyboard-less nexus is very open. dunno about python though15:43
ShadowJKprobably needs same or more effort15:43
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SpeedEvilApologies if I've asked this before, and forgotten.16:01
SpeedEvilWhat's the procedure in the UK, if you want to warranty repair your device, and are not in range of a nokia care centre.16:02
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crashanddiemail probably16:05
SpeedEvilWas wondering if anyone could link me to the right site - I suppose I should google.16:05
SpeedEvilExhausted from hedgecutting.16:06
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ShadowJKIn finland Nokia Care pretended with straight face that 400kn is "in range"16:08
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cityLightsSicelo: where are you?16:09
cityLightsI mean my N900 is aging and I am looking for a n916:10
* SpeedEvil is rsyncing off his n900 ATM.16:12
SpeedEvilLeaving me only my backup.16:12
SpeedEvil(backup n900)16:12
SpeedEvil(well, and n950)16:12
EvanescenceI'm updating N900 connecting to a wi-fi, it is so slow even I'm very close to wi-fi, and no downloading on this wi-fi, the update speed is only 70B/s, shit.16:12
Evanescencealmost 3 hours !!16:13
Evanescencereally crazy.16:13
SpeedEvilSome firmwares don't get along.16:14
SpeedEvilTurn off power saving mode in the network setup.16:14
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EvanescenceSpeedEvil: let me try16:15
SicelocityLights: swaziland, africa16:16
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cityLightsfor real? why are you holding a n9?16:17
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Sicelolol, it's black, like me :P16:20
Sicelocan't afford it. my n900 still does all i need16:21
Sicelocost = 722euro. my n900 cost me 200eur in july, new16:22
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: right on right on16:50
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jonwilhooray for libosso-abook_4.20100302+0m5_i38616:59
jonwilIts making the same dbus call I am trying to figure out16:59
jonwiland since its x86, its easier to reverse engineer17:00
jonwilturns out I was missing a G_TYPE_INVALID on the end of my dbus call17:02
jonwilLets see if this helps17:02
jonwilIT WORKS.17:04
jonwilIts giving me the operator name I want17:04
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cityLightswhich , cellular17:06
DocScrutinizerjonwil: \o/17:07
jonwilyes I am very close to having a fully-usable cbsms plugin17:08
DocScrutinizeraccessing that NNNN->"some carrier name" database?17:08
cityLightsone reason for me to attend FOSDEM is meeting you guys17:08
jonwilnope, its not that17:08
crashanddiejonwil, be nice!17:08
jonwilI am using some dbus signals :)17:08
jonwilto get the operator name17:08
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DocScrutinizerfair enough, it can come from iirc ~4 different sources17:09
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DocScrutinizerdatabase form 3digit network ID, short plaintext carrier name OTA, long of same, plus hardcoded to SIM17:09
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jonwilwell I am using 2 different dbus signals17:10
jonwiland Phone.SIM.get_service_provider_name17:10
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jonwilwhich is what other parts of the system (including the stock widget) are using17:11
DocScrutinizercan't comment on that, as I can't relate it to what I know about how it's working on low level17:14
DocScrutinizeras long as there's no semantics description of those calls, both can do arbitrary stuff in my book17:15
DocScrutinizerif however I had to speculate, I'd think the calls are more low level than the phone.sim ones17:16
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DocScrutinizerso maybe phone.sim keeps "your" provider name, while follows all roaming etc17:17
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Sicelodoes n900 have the operator name db?17:19
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DocScrutinizerI'll happily test for you, once there's a binary I could use. My SIM card has a hardcoded "Vodafone" or sth in it, while usually databases as obtained from internet have "O2" for my network, and the network itself offers "loop" as plaintext17:19
DocScrutinizerSicelo: I *think* I once seen it, yes17:20
Siceloah, will look17:20
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DocScrutinizera mega catch all grep for a nice provider name will tell you ;-)17:21
Venemo_N950what's up?17:21
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Sicelojonwil: count me in for testing :P17:22
DocScrutinizerSicelo: "I *think*" means I could as well be wrong, and seen it at SHR, or even OM200817:23
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Sicelonp DocScrutinizer. i used to see such a db on symbians17:23
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jonwilWhat I can see is that the Phone.Net call makes a NET_OPER_NAME_READ_REQ to the cell modem17:25
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DocScrutinizeretc/operator-settings ?17:26
jonwilThat cellmo call retrieves specific operator names depending on what you pass as the parameter17:27
jonwilIn the case of the stock operator widget, its passing either SHORT_OPER_NAME or FULL_OPER_NAME17:29
jonwilmake that NET_NITZ_SHORT_OPER_NAME17:29
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jonwilwell thats what connui_cell_net_get_operator_name passdes17:30
jonwilI believe in this case the widget is asking for FULL_OPER_NAME17:31
jonwilwhich makes sense for displaying on the home screen17:31
Siceloyes DocScrutinizer. actually now i remember seeing it before too. dumb me17:31
jonwilThen the Phone.Sim call retrieves specific operator name from the SIM card17:31
jonwilThat /etc/operator-settings is the settings for data and stuff17:32
jonwiland I dont believe it is used by the operator name logic17:32
Sicelolol, Swaziland aint there.17:32
jonwilif there IS a hardcoded list of PLMN operators, it might be on the cell modem17:32
jonwilcellmo firmware17:32
Sicelodumb thing.. even has mms setting for some of them17:33
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jonwilaha, NITZ is Network Identity and Time Zone17:34
jonwilso the NITZ name is whatever the tower says it is17:34
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jonwilthere is also EONS, Enhanced Operator Name String17:35
DocScrutinizerjonwil: yes, largely unclear but possible that cmt fw also has a list like etc/operator-settings17:35
jonwilbut the phone doesnt ask for that17:35
jonwilI know of motorola phones that have a PLMN database file17:36
DocScrutinizerwell, it's basically irrelevant what is and what's not supported, just the priority sequence is relevant17:37
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jonwilin this case I am going to use the logic as given by libosso-abook in deciding what calls to make and in what order17:37
DocScrutinizerfair aproach17:37
DocScrutinizeras probably for that stuff cmt manufacturer's implemetation is all you get for specs17:38
jonwilI just wish my shell-fu was better so I could finish this testing-shell-script I am working on that will output some specific info which will help me with my testing/reverse engineering17:38
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jonwilIf I have a shell variable set to 123456789, how can I get 2 more shell variables, one of which is set to 123 and the second of which is set to 45?17:39
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jonwiloh wait this does what I need17:42
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: ${parameter:offset:length}18:00
jonwilfound what I needed18:00
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* slonopotamus wishes those who refer to "hildon" also made it clear what hildon version they talk about18:03
slonopotamusfor example, is diablo or fremantle?18:04
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DocScrutinizerhah, yeah. good call18:16
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jonwilI think I have finally figured out the logic of connui_cell_net_get_operator_name18:36
jonwilwhich is perfect18:36
jonwilnow I can create a clone of that function :)18:36
DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕18:37
jonwilor heck, I could probably just call connui_cell_net_get_operator_name directly :P18:37
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jonwilI think I am finally understanding all the pieces of this jigsaw puzzle19:23
infobottotal count of lol on #maemo: 10367.  Top 3: rm_you -- 543 (5.2%), lcuk -- 447 (4.3%), MohammadAG -- 440 (4.2%)19:23
DocScrutinizeralready said that19:23
jonwilhopefully if I get some responses to the post I just made to the list, it will help me understand the final pieces I need19:23
jonwiland I will be able to obtain the exact same operator name in 100% of cases19:23
* DocScrutinizer just wonders why there's no such thing like SMS-CB on 3G19:25
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jonwilthere is, its just that most operators and equipment doesn't support it19:38
jonwilor doesn't support the channel 50 tower id stuff19:38
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DocScrutinizernah, here there's not a single SMS-CB on my carrier's UMTS net19:40
DocScrutinizerso they didn'T think it's worth supporting it, it seems19:41
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DocScrutinizerwhich is strange enough, as their SIM STK uses chan 210(?) coords sent by 2G to calculate whether nobile is inside the homezone or not19:42
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jonwilhow does that homezone work on 3G then?19:43
DocScrutinizermaybe due to per-def finer granularity of 3G BTS this feature isn't needed anymore, and they just define homezone area by a set of BTS19:43
jonwilor does it not?19:43
jonwiloh ok19:43
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DocScrutinizerthough, on second thought, this doesn't make a lot of sense, as they could've done same on 2G19:44
DocScrutinizererr, what I mean is: also 2G only sends coords of BTS, so why would they not need same for 3G19:45
infobotit has been said that rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or
chem|stlol would be funny as some AP gives a location return about 300km away from its actual pos if using 3g instead of 2g19:46
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chem|stI cannot get a fix where I am atm as the APdb gives a wrong location and the cache never matches...19:47
SpeedEvilI've been somewhat tempted to send to my cell-provider a data protection Subject Access request.19:47
chem|stfor 3g that is19:47
SpeedEvilTo get a copy of all the data they hold on me.19:47
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DocScrutinizer"hold" is a fuzzy term19:48
SpeedEvilIncluding for exmple what location records are held.19:48
SpeedEvilThey're required to give it all up.19:48
SpeedEvilUnless I'm the subject of an ongoing police enquiry.19:49
DocScrutinizerI guess they'd claim they don't 'hold' that info as there's no standard way to query it via user interface19:49
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SpeedEvilNot legally acceptable.19:50
DocScrutinizermuch similar to routing tables in internet routers have some info of your actual location but that'S not commonly accessible19:51
DocScrutinizerit's system processing data considered temporary and not meant to get stored permanently to some database that is kept19:52
SpeedEvilNot so much interested in transient data.19:52
SpeedEvilJust what's stored.19:52
DocScrutinizeryeah, I doubt they stor location server records19:52
DocScrutinizeror well, maybe they do. Dunno19:53
DocScrutinizerif they do, they do evil19:53
DocScrutinizerat least here in Germany. They aren't even allowed to store DHCP leases19:54
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SpeedEvilGermany is a bit paranoid though.19:55
DocScrutinizer"only data that's needed for account balancing"19:55
SpeedEvil(Which isn't a bad thing)19:55
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DocScrutinizergvmt is lobotomized here - one half wants to store *everything* and forever, while the other half wants to erase everything the moment it's no more needed. And then there's of course the debate who defines what's "needed"19:57
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DocScrutinizer  it's not only that the provider mustn't have a means to notice if some law enforcement entity is using that interface to eavesdrop and check meta-data, it's actually even mandatory that not even concurrent access by several such entities is detectable by any of the parties20:04
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DocScrutinizernot even big brother can tell if big brother is watching XY20:05
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Sazpaimonive never used skype on my N900 until today20:21
Sazpaimonand wow, I never realized how seamless it was20:21
Yuyukoskype is satan's cock20:21
Yuyukoare you a mountaintop, Sazpaimon?20:22
Yuyukobecause you sure as hell don't look like one20:22
Yuyukocombust hemp every solar rotation20:22
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Sazpaimonskype is "my girlfriend can call her mom in the dominican republic because ive had $6 in my skype account for the last 3 years"20:22
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FIQ|n900Something is strange with the phone functionality when calling people that has something that i THINK is called a "Funtone"20:25
FIQ|n900At least it's marketed as that in our country20:25
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FIQ|n900Something that sounds when you call them during the process20:25
FIQ|n900The ringing beep doesn't stop when this is active, and the other one answers20:26
FIQ|n900it just continues on forever20:26
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FIQ|n900I wonder, would it work to map F1-F6 to shift+fn+number?20:59
FIQ|n900and F9-F12 on 7-020:59
FIQ|n900on N90020:59
FIQ|n900F7-F8 already exists - the volume keys20:59
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DocScrutinizerSazpaimon: that's SIP ( for me21:51
FIQ|n900Tried the command in the wiki about changing the layout to see if there was any difference... but the command didn't work at all?21:52
FIQ|n900"Illegal map name '(nokia_vndr/rx-51(us)):' in symbols name 'nokia_vndr/rx-51(common)+nokia_vndr/rx-51(ru)+nokia_vndr/rx-51(nokia_vndr/rx-51(us)):2+inet(evdev)'"21:52
DocScrutinizerfor F-keys usually <ESC>+<number> works as well21:53
FIQ|n900..and if I don't have ESC?21:53
DocScrutinizertoo bad21:53
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DocScrutinizerthough you could argue your app needs a better hildonization then21:54
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BluesLeeanyone online who has both devices n9 and n900?22:11
* mgedmin waves hesitantly22:11
BluesLeemgedmin: can you tell me what you miss on the n9 besides hw restrictions like hw kbd etc?22:12
mgedminapps like PasswordSafe and FuelLog22:12
mgedminsurprisingly I don't miss the hw kbd!22:12
mgedminthe upsides of the n9 outweigh the lack of a hw kbd22:13
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BluesLeethats fine22:13
mgedminI also expected to be very irritated by the cross-hatch patterns of the pentile AMOLED screen, but I'm not22:13
mgedminagain, the upsides outweigh the downsides (for me, personally)22:13
BluesLeemgedmin: i would miss a cron like app like alarmed22:14
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BluesLeemgedmin: any drawbacks/limitations concerning openness so far?22:15
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mgedminpeople like to complain about aegis in #harmattan22:15
SpeedEvilIt depends.22:15
mgedminI personally haven't suffered (yet?)22:15
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SpeedEvilIt impacts sme apps.22:15
mgedminoh, the inability to create shell scripts in ~/bin was annoying22:16
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BluesLeemgedmin: why that?22:16
SpeedEvilSome of it's just barking mad.22:16
mgedminaegis doesn't let you exec any binaries that aren't cryptographically signed or something22:17
SpeedEvilYou can make the flash LED flash, but not the indicator one.22:17
BluesLeemgedmin: i mean where you put your scripts to?22:17
mgedminbut you can sh /path/to/script, or alias script='sh /path/to/script'22:17
mgedminit doesn't matter where you put the scripts, aegis doesn't let you run them :)22:17
BluesLeenot directly but "sh binary" works?22:18
mgedminsh binary? no; sh script yes22:18
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mgedminI believe /lib/ /path/to/binary doesn't work either22:18
mgedmin(the kernel doesn't let you mmap an executable page from a file that lacks a crypto signature)22:18
BluesLeeokay, i guess i have to read mor about aegis or whatever22:19
mgedminin short, if you want to run something, you need to package it as a deb22:19
BluesLeeno chance to turn it off?:-)22:19
mgedminthankfully you are allowed to install arbitrary .deb's created without having access to nokia's private keys22:19
ShadowJKthough you can't get all permissions, right?22:20
BluesLeethat is a bad workaround i mean just for quick hacking a shell script22:20
mgedmindunno about that22:20
mgedminfor quick shell scripts I use aliases, like I said22:20
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Sicelowhat about 'aegis-free' kernel? anyone tried it on n9 yet?22:21
mgedminpeople are working on it, afaiu22:21
mgedminsomeone mentioned something on this topic in #harmattan a couple of hours ago, I think22:21
ShadowJKis there a flasher for N9 yet?22:21
BluesLeeits a matter of time, i trust the community:)22:21
mgedminhaven't seen one22:21
ShadowJKi guess that's an issue, heh.22:21
mgedminbut I heard that an OS upgrade is coming "in the last quarter of 2011"22:21
Sicelo0.o no flasher?22:22
SpeedEvilIf you boot harmattan with a non-aegis kernel, much doesn't work properly.22:23
mgedminSpeedEvil, examples, please!22:23
mgedminI'm curious22:23
SpeedEvilAs I understand it, for example, incoming messages aren't stored, as the aegisfs filesystem has become readonly22:23
mgedmincan you use Maps or Drive?22:23
mgedminooh, incoming messages, ouch22:24
ShadowJKeven with aegis, if you swap sim card you lose messages22:24
SpeedEvilAh - yes22:24
ShadowJKin many ways N9 is 5 steps backwards software-wise :/22:24
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ShadowJKinstead of dualsim, it sabotages sim-swapping :))22:25
mgedminjust using microSIM instead of miniSIM sort of sabotages sim swapping...22:26
ShadowJKthat too :)22:26
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Sicelothis aegis is bad news indeed. no usb hostmode possibility if disabled, and doubtful if it can work well with it enabled22:29
kerioSpeedEvil: what the fuck22:30
Siceloah, my bad. misunderstood the link22:30
keriogreat, the n9 is crap22:30
mgedminbut such beautiful crap22:30
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mgedmin"no wifi. less space than a nomad."22:31
BluesLeedamn, aegis is not good for us22:31
ShadowJKoh I forgot about the wifi thing :)22:31
SpeedEvilIt's unclear how possible it is to get harmattan working without aegis in the picture.22:31
ShadowJKA lot of work atleast22:31
BluesLeeif i cant mount a simple image, in many cases i hold my data in images22:31
ShadowJKit might be beautiful, but I don't think I'd wanna stare even at beautiful women if someone is twisting my nipples and kicking me in the balls :P22:32
ShadowJKI hooe the software issues get fixed :((22:33
mgedminnobody is doing that22:33
mgedminjust putting handcuffs on you :)22:33
BluesLeeaegis is a real regression22:33
SpeedEvilIt depends.22:33
SpeedEvilIf you're just wanting to write games, not really.22:34
ShadowJKBut knowing past history, I'm waiting on purchasing N9 until I see that the bugs have been fixed :P22:34
SpeedEvilOr many 'normal' apps.22:34
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SiceloSpeedEvil, ShadowJK, sorry to interrupt. what can cause n900, when attempting to calibrate battery, to increment 'cycle count since learning' without ever being connected to a charger/usb since full charge? it tends to happen somewhere between 50 and 30% full22:35
BluesLeeSpeedEvil: the list in the above link is obviously a regression compared to the n90022:35
Sicelos/upt/upt this conversation./22:35
infobotSicelo meant: SpeedEvil, ShadowJK, sorry to interrupt this conversation.. what can cause n900, when attempting to calibrate battery, to increment 'cycle count since learning' without ever being connected to a charger/usb since full charge? it tends to happen somewhere ...22:35
SpeedEvilSicelo: no clear thoughts22:36
BluesLeenokia nokia nokia22:36
Sicelothanks. i'll investigate further22:37
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BluesLeeyou will investigate nokia? good luck:-)22:37
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Sicelolol, battery.22:37
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BluesLeehehe, just a joke22:38
ShadowJKSicelo; it would be explained by if it gets incremented same time as total cycle count is incremented22:38
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Sicelowell, i am not too sure if that increments as well, but i find it strange that count since learning should increase without input power of any sort22:42
Siceloi'd assume total cycles is incremented as well22:42
DocScrutinizerSicelo: cycle count gets incremented on completing a 100% total of charge+discharge. So this can happen any time22:43
DocScrutinizerI guess a cycle is defined as full charge + full discharge, so count increment will happen during discharge22:46
Sicelohmm. i remember u mentioning that a while ago.22:47
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Siceloso, even if edv1 goes to 1, when vdq was 1 too, cycle count since learning will not necessarily become 0?22:48
Siceloor 1..22:48
ShadowJKit'll become 022:49
DocScrutinizercompleting a learning cycle should result in cycles-since-learning get reset to zero afaik, maybe 1. For exact definition of sequence of conditions met to complete a valid learning cycle please refer to datasheet22:49
ShadowJKbut it probably gets incremented same time as total22:49
ShadowJKit'd save a computationally expensive counter register that way :P22:49
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DocScrutinizeras those values aren't meant to be of any significant relevance for any process, they aren't that precisely defined and implemented22:51
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DocScrutinizerthough I really question the rationale behind counting 20 timed discharge to 95% and recharge to 100% as equal to one discharge to 0% and subsequent charge22:52
ShadowJKEven the battery cell manufacturer probably doesn't have algorithms or tables to recalculate that into equivalent-full-cycles :)22:53
DocScrutinizeryep, that'S what I meant by "precisely defined"22:54
DocScrutinizerit's a ballpark figure value to give an idea about something22:54
DocScrutinizernot more22:54
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DocScrutinizerif you need better values, more precise and "real" ones, you want to go for e.g the chip used in N9 which does true battery impedance evaluation and thus gives a real value about some relevant battery status22:56
DocScrutinizerit will actually detect a crappy cell when it goes nuts. Not rely on "duh, 500 cycles should be OK'ish for a LiIon cell"22:57
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ShadowJKI'd never thought that the total cycle count would be (ab)used as a battery health meter :)22:58
DocScrutinizeractually nobody does that22:58
DocScrutinizerexcept Sicelo ? ;-P22:58
ShadowJKno he isn't looking at total cycle count.22:59
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you've noticed I augmented my original bq27k-detail script to work on N900 as well?23:00
DocScrutinizerstill needs bash X-P23:01
ShadowJKdo you have decoding now too?23:01
DocScrutinizerstatus bit decoding? Yup23:01
ShadowJKand the rest23:01
ShadowJKiirc there were some eeprom values left to decode that I didn't finish23:01
DocScrutinizererr, the rest? the 1) and 2) 3.57uVfoo?23:01
DocScrutinizerI think I got all, incl temperature to °C and °F23:02
DocScrutinizer(°F without decimals ;-P)23:02
DocScrutinizername is bq27k-detail223:04
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DocScrutinizermight add true cmdline argument parsing plus terse output mode eventually23:04
DocScrutinizerplus proper check for i2ctools available (actually I think it doesn't behave nice when i2ctools missing)23:05
ShadowJKand then fix all the bashisms? ;P23:05
DocScrutinizernah, I refuse23:05
DocScrutinizernot going to implement arrays the manual way23:06
DocScrutinizer(which os the only bashism left over I think)23:06
ShadowJKi didn't know you could do bitops in sh :D23:07
DocScrutinizerthere are a couple more but those are for clean coding only23:07
DocScrutinizererr, you can't?23:07
ShadowJKthat's what I thought23:08
DocScrutinizerdidn't think $(( $foo & 0x0F )) was a bashism23:08
ShadowJKand why I used series of multiplication and division instead :)23:08
ShadowJKI guess I never tried though23:08
Sicelolast measured discharge reported by bq27k-detail2 is different from bq27200 script. 1423 and 1419, respectively23:09
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# echo $(( 255 & 0x03f ))23:10
DocScrutinizermessybox ^^23:10
DocScrutinizerSicelo: ummm23:11
DocScrutinizeraah, sure23:11
DocScrutinizermay be related to 20 vs 22 for RS23:12
ShadowJKI use 21, dunno if I updated scripts23:12
DocScrutinizernobody knows for sure, so it's up to you :-D23:12
ShadowJK21 because ssirka (iirc) said that matched closest when they tested an N900 in a jig23:12
DocScrutinizerNokia never was like dripping by here, uttering "twentytwo is it"23:13
DocScrutinizerdropping but meh23:13
ShadowJKor maybe that was 22, I forget23:13
ShadowJKShould update scripts and make a big change to it, and watch the replacement battery thread on tmo getting happy people when their capacity goes up ;P23:14
ShadowJKThe blue scud is no more :-(23:15
DocScrutinizeractually bq27k-detail is using 2023:15
Sicelothe bq27200 i have has RS=2023:15
DocScrutinizer"hardcoded" :-/23:15
ShadowJKprobably rounding error then23:15
DocScrutinizer~ 1423 / 141923:16
DocScrutinizer~ 21 / 2023:16
ShadowJKI do the intermediate calculations with 3 extra significant digits of precision ;p23:16
DocScrutinizerI don't even know how many extra digits I use23:17
ShadowJKwait what, bash does floats?23:17
ShadowJKah oops, misread23:17
DocScrutinizer *3.57 / 20 = " $(( `pv 0x13 0x12` * 179 / 1000)) "mAh"23:17
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DocScrutinizerso you see why my RS=20 is hardcoded23:19
ShadowJKI do value * 3570 / 20 / 100023:19
DocScrutinizerI was hesitant to do this, for unclear reason23:20
ShadowJKSo like, the difference becomes that yours is rounded upwards, and mine downwards?23:20
DocScrutinizeras actually I think at least bash arithmetics are virtually unlimited digits23:20
ShadowJKno wait...23:21
DocScrutinizerwho cares for those 0.3%23:21
DocScrutinizerfor such a "precise" value like LMD23:21
DocScrutinizerSicelo: nevertheless many thanks for those thorough checks :-)23:23
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DocScrutinizerin the end the diff between ShadowJK 's and mine is just mine needs bash but then comes with half of the datasheet as citation, so you can understand more easily what the values mean, while his is better suited for practical everyday usage23:24
* ShadowJK has the datasheet as comments23:25
DocScrutinizerplus of course mine keeps backwards compatibility to rev1 for openmoko devices23:25
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DocScrutinizerand it's nicer to read the source ;-P23:26
ShadowJKthat it's not :P23:26
DocScrutinizer(pretty much thanks to bash, admittedly)23:27
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ShadowJKman, bitops support. And it was so fun and enjoyable to write it with normal integer arithmetic too :P23:27
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DocScrutinizerbeat this: ;-D23:28
MohammadAGcc DocScrutinizer23:28
DocScrutinizerecho "   0x0A:      0x${dmp[0x0A]}"    "FLAGS Status Flags                                                 R"23:28
DocScrutinizerecho "                 $(( (0x${dmp[0x0A]} & 2#10000000)?1:0 )) CHGS  Charge State flag. A 1 in the CHGS indicates a charge current (VSRP > VSRN). Charging."23:28
DocScrutinizerecho "                 $(( (0x${dmp[0x0A]} & 2#01000000)?1:0 )) NOACT No Activity flag. A 1 indicates that the voltage across RS is ~0. Neither charge nor discharge."23:28
ShadowJKunreadable :D23:28
MohammadAGUpdate should be out tomorrow and by Friday for everyone, didn't want to mention that on tmo in case it doesn't happen :P23:31
ShadowJKhm, can you do bitshift23:31
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: >> again, please do not try to update WHEN YOU'RE USING CSSU (using apt-get or similar methods).<<23:31
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yes23:31
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, good call23:32
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you can do all the c stuff23:32
ShadowJKtoo easy23:32
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NIN101hm. What is this "security control panel applet"?23:34
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DocScrutinizeralso in bashism >> for (( i=startenv++; (i & 2#1000000)>>2 != endvar; i*=223:35
SpeedEvilPart of the warranty process. 'Use Ovi Suite  to back up your contacts, pictures and other personal data. The device  software is updated as part of the repair process and your personal data  will be remover.'23:35
ShadowJKIt probably changes hte password on your gmail, skype, etc without telling you, then reports yourself to the police23:35
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, no backup app anymore?23:35
NIN101well ok :-).23:36
Sicelolol. sounds promising. hope it won't introduce worse issues though23:36
SpeedEvilShadowJK: There is something wierd going on with input.23:36
SpeedEvilShadowJK: I press the screen, it clicks, then acts like it's held down.23:36
SpeedEvilI can synthesise an up-event by locking the device23:37
SpeedEvilBut it's not actually usable.23:37
ShadowJKwhat device?23:37
SpeedEvilIn principle I could flash it, but my warranty is about to expire anyway.23:37
DocScrutinizertouchpanel defect23:37
DocScrutinizernot unseen23:37
SpeedEvilI don't think so.23:37
ShadowJKOr screen protector23:37
SpeedEvilIt's not protector - I pulled it.23:37
ShadowJKor dust between the bezel and screen23:37
SpeedEvilI don't think so.23:37
DocScrutinizerwhich bezel?23:37
SpeedEvilIt doesn't act like that.23:37
DocScrutinizerthis isn't a OM FR23:38
ShadowJKthe one I accidentally jammed my first screen protector under23:38
DocScrutinizeror a N81023:38
SpeedEvilIf there was some contact, then locking, unlocking, and presing wouldn't generate a keyclick23:38
DocScrutinizerit might be a semi contact between two thresholds23:38
ShadowJKI wonder if it uses a higher threshold for mousedown than mouseup23:39
DocScrutinizeror simply silicon rotten23:39
* SpeedEvil ponders desoldering the emmc before sending.23:39
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: tp controller chip DS will tell you23:39
DocScrutinizerI guess23:39
SpeedEvilProbably not a good plan. :)23:40
ShadowJKwhy would you do that?23:40
SpeedEvil64M in my other n900!23:40
DocScrutinizerI guess to practice and protect privacy?23:40
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infobottotal count of lol on #maemo: 10371.  Top 3: rm_you -- 543 (5.2%), lcuk -- 447 (4.3%), MohammadAG -- 440 (4.2%)23:41
SpeedEvilI wish I could get a pile of scrap n900s to play with, for various reasons.23:41
ShadowJKThere was someoen on tmo selling a dead-cellmo n90023:41
DocScrutinizerthat's probably terribly hard23:41
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Unless you can locate the right factory in china.23:41
DocScrutinizernot even then23:42
DocScrutinizertheir trashbins have been emptied some 30 months ago23:42
DocScrutinizeronly chance: see ^^^ ShadowJK23:42
ShadowJKI didn't think broken N900s went back to china23:43
SpeedEvilShadowJK: 'recycling is good!'23:43
DocScrutinizerwhy would *anybody* do that?23:43
DocScrutinizersending broken chips to the factory?23:43
ShadowJK(besides, it says made in korea on my N900) :-(23:43
DocScrutinizeryup, that too23:43
DocScrutinizereven Hungary, Finland23:44
SpeedEvilThere are recycling vendors that do pulls.23:44
DocScrutinizerownta is as much "recycling" as you'll probably ever fimd23:45
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DocScrutinizerand you probably could even ask them to find you some CATF00D23:46
FIQ|n900there's a thing i don't understand23:47
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FIQ|n900let's say i have a SDHC card with an ext3 file system23:47
DocScrutinizerI revently noticed the free fifth (different) speaker they sent me with the 4 I ordered is actually a earpiece transducer it seems23:47
FIQ|n900while inserting in N900, hildon will report "not supported"23:47
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FIQ|n900but mounting manually works fine23:48
DocScrutinizermounting script not prepared to mount ext323:48
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DocScrutinizerI think there've been community patches to that23:49
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ShadowJKMounting script roughly does: list partition table: is there 1 partition? N -> abort  else: is first partition of type W95FAT32? N-> abort else: try mount first partition as vfat. fail->abort23:50
merlin1991wtf @ ~lolstats23:50
merlin1991defenitely not lol worthy23:51
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merlin1991FIQ|n900: somewhere in the bugzilla on is a patch for the mounting script23:51
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DocScrutinizerthought as much23:54
DocScrutinizercalled it "community patch"23:54
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: "is there >0 partitions"23:58
ShadowJKsomewhat less evil than I remembered then :)23:58
DocScrutinizerit mounts my VFAT partition of my uSD with 2.=ext3 3.=swap just fine23:58
DocScrutinizernot sure though if the ext3 is really safe ;-P23:59
DocScrutinizerwell, at least it reports correct size for df23:59

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