| kerio | SpeedEvil: haha what | 00:00 |
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| javispedro | that is the future | 00:01 |
| kerio | that's brilliant | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's nuts | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yoh dawg | 00:42 |
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| jack_lt_n900 | hmm how to use TAB in xchat on n900 | 01:00 |
| jack_lt_n900 | DocScrutinizer, got a 2x usb a 1x micro Y cable | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ctrl-i | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (or I bound it to alt-rightarrow | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though you prolly want to use the function bound to tab usually | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is bound to shift-space on my xchat | 01:02 |
| jack_lt_n900 | DocScrutinizer, right | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 01:03 |
| infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ../xchat | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | some users said they like this setup | 01:04 |
| jack_lt_n900 | DocScrutinizer, any advise to connect y cable via hub to n900 and which sequence? | 01:05 |
| jack_lt_n900 | micro to phone | 01:05 |
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| jack_lt_n900 | midle main to hub? | 01:06 |
| jack_lt_n900 | other to keybd/ ff adapt? | 01:07 |
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| jack_lt_n900 | DocScrutinizer, ? | 01:13 |
| jack_lt_n900 | if you have time ... | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jack_lt_n900: you connect the main A-M to hub's upstream port via F-F adapter plus matching cable, the red power USB-M to arbitrary power source (wallwart, host PC, powered hub downstream port), and the micro-B-M to the N900 | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sequence is: start h-e-n, start vboost, plug in hub with power supplied, then do the killall vboost; charger; stuff | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | then enumerate | 01:19 |
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| jack_lt_n900 | killall vboost? | 01:22 |
| jack_lt_n900 | as root in xterm? | 01:22 |
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| jack_lt_n900 | DocScrutinizer, | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err killall booston | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | see my post at | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered | 01:26 |
| infobot | somebody said hostmode-powered was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | only the red commands are really needed | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | boostoff whatever | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | boostoff is also just doing a kill booston | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 01:30 |
| jack_lt_n900 | and ./charger is that need for charging | 01:31 |
| jack_lt_n900 | or is that just monitoring | 01:31 |
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| jack_lt_n900 | ./charger seems to be needed | 01:35 |
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| jack_lt_n900 | bbl | 01:43 |
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| psychologe | hello ,has some used miredo to visit ipv6 ? everytime when i reconnect network(gprs OR wlan),,,i must restart miredo service ,otherwise can't visit ipv6 host? | 01:57 |
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| Gyjf | hey | 02:54 |
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| Gyjf | could anyone tell me how to compile (c code) with gcc for the n900 ? | 02:55 |
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| x29a | Gyjf: you should check out the getting started docs | 03:10 |
| Gyjf | but the gcc manual is loooong :( | 03:10 |
| x29a | Gyjf: basically, u use an arm-gcc, but there is toolchains and SDKs which easy the entrylevel for you | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: simple answer: not at all | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get the SDK and use it as described | 03:11 |
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| x29a | i meant qt/maemo, www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Getting_started/ | 03:11 |
| Gyjf | isnt it easier to just compile it and scp it over? | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely not | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you need to crosscompile | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | target==ARM, you know? | 03:14 |
| Gyjf | i thought that would be easier | 03:14 |
| Sc0rpius | the best solution is to have Scratchbox setup and running | 03:14 |
| Sc0rpius | since even if you manage to arm-gcc in your PC and scp it, you'll end up do it 123974612873461287364 times | 03:14 |
| Sc0rpius | do it the first time, a bug, compile again, another time, another bug, etc. | 03:15 |
| Sc0rpius | with scratchbox and your emulator in your PC, you will scp it when it's done. | 03:15 |
| Gyjf | i have working sourcecode and i only need one program atm | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you got no libs without the SDK installed | 03:15 |
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| x29a | Gyjf: which program? screen? | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Gyjf: One way is to copy / on the n900 to /home/user/chroot | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ?? | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Gyjf: then enable the tools repo, chroot into that (as root) and apt-get install build-essentials. | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | If you want to build on device. | 03:16 |
| x29a | yay | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Gyjf wasn't asking for native compilation | 03:16 |
| Sc0rpius | what a mess | 03:16 |
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| x29a | Gyjf: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-25 01:55:37] <Gyjf> could anyone tell me how to compile (c code) with gcc for the n900 ? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | FOR, not ON | 03:18 |
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| x29a | the gcc on the n900 is still for the n900 | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, that's the right wwiki page | 03:18 |
| Gyjf | i realy only need one program compiled, didnt think it would be that much work :/ | 03:18 |
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| x29a | no need to be picky, the question wasnt stated clearly, but since we got all possibilities covered, its Gyjf move now | 03:18 |
| Gyjf | thx for the help anyway | 03:19 |
| x29a | Gyjf: well which one is it then? maybe its in the repos? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: you need the toolchain set up, no matter how many programs | 03:19 |
| x29a | and setting up the maemo sdk isnt that hard, there is basically two scripts and following the wiki | 03:19 |
| Gyjf | its not, pretty certain | 03:19 |
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| Gyjf | no name, friend wrote it | 03:19 |
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| x29a | Gyjf: if it has no deps, i can compile it for you | 03:20 |
| x29a | just once, no debugging | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? :-D | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | we are a nice bunch here | 03:20 |
| Gyjf | i noticed | 03:20 |
| Gyjf | ill just get the skd then | 03:21 |
| Gyjf | *sdk | 03:21 |
| x29a | must be highly classified or tremendiosly weird hack ur compiling there, but yes, getting the sdk is the best solution | 03:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders why nobody ever made an up-to-date VM for this whole crap | 03:22 | |
| Sc0rpius | because nobody cares about Maemo anymore?¿ | 03:23 |
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| x29a | naa, the devs just dont want to make the entrylevel too easy, think of the android market with all the crap farting apps | 03:23 |
| Gyjf | he is picky about who gets the source, sorry :) | 03:23 |
| x29a | Sc0rpius: denying maemos death is rule #1 in here, aint it? | 03:23 |
| x29a | Gyjf: np | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmm AV-plug | 03:25 |
| Gyjf | n900 cant emulate 32bit can it? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rephrase | 03:26 |
| x29a | Gyjf: you mean long double? | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 03:26 |
| Gyjf | emulate 32bit processor to execute x86 compiled binaries | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | it can, but that'S a PITA | 03:27 |
| Sc0rpius | to execute a COMPILED x86 binary?=!? | 03:27 |
| Sc0rpius | you need QEMU for that and who knows what else | 03:27 |
| Sc0rpius | and tons of things, a whole x86 environment | 03:27 |
| Sc0rpius | in the poor device | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html | 03:28 |
| x29a | Gyjf: depending on your inet connection, you could be compiling already | 03:28 |
| Sc0rpius | well there's gcc for the device. If it's a tiny .c what you want to compile you could try to get the gcc for the N900 and compile it there | 03:28 |
| Sc0rpius | if it's a big project, ./configure and stuff, get the scratchbox | 03:29 |
| Gyjf | its pretty small | 03:29 |
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| Gyjf | why isnt gcc or g++ in the repos btw? | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:30 |
| Gyjf | or do i have the wrong repos? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so we're actually back to SpeedEvil | 03:30 |
| ShadowJK | installing gcc on device consumes alot of space | 03:30 |
| Sc0rpius | http://ossguy.com/?p=475 | 03:30 |
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| Sc0rpius | no bots | 03:30 |
| Sc0rpius | the link is "How to install GCC on the Nokia N900" | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 03:31 |
| Sc0rpius | usually there's a bot that says what's the link is about | 03:31 |
| Gyjf | yeah im looking at it | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, there's no such bot here | 03:31 |
| Sc0rpius | aww :( | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's a mod who might kick you for posting URLs without comment and no clue in the URL itself ;-P | 03:32 |
| Sc0rpius | hehe | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw plain build-essentials might still fit on rootfs | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | libs get nasty | 03:36 |
| Sc0rpius | I wouldn't EVER install that on my N900 | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for a "hello world" I guess you'd not even need a chroot/optification | 03:37 |
| Sc0rpius | even if I write everything down and then uninstall it, I'm sure I will lose several precious MBs of my rootfs | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure you will | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | back in the good ol'days you unpacked the tarball to your home | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | even a subdir of your home | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | then added ~/<subdir>/bin to your PATH, and hacked away | 03:39 |
| Sc0rpius | and then a nice rm -rf to that <subdir> | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | my home still always has a /bin dir | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | err ~/bin | 03:41 |
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| DangerMaus_ | yepyep | 05:24 |
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| jonwil | is there a way to tell apt-get to reinstall a package even if the package is already installed? | 07:14 |
| jonwil | without first removing it | 07:15 |
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| jonwil | found ity | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | --force-reinstall or sth like that | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | --reinstall ? | 07:18 |
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| timeless_xchat | ping | 07:36 |
| timeless_xchat | which device friendly repo has make? | 07:36 |
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| Macer | lmao | 07:51 |
| jonwil | anyone any good with autoconf and makefile.am files? | 07:52 |
| Macer | my n900 is shipping from overseas and wont get here for a month | 07:52 |
| Macer | awesome | 07:52 |
| Macer | i dont think my g2 is going to last much longer. it is on its last limb | 07:52 |
| Macer | :-) | 07:52 |
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| orangey | hello all | 08:17 |
| orangey | what's the best twitter client? | 08:17 |
| orangey | hmm. sounds like khweeteur vs. tweedsuit | 08:19 |
| doc|home | that's not a reasonable question. Your definition of best and ours could be completely different. | 08:19 |
| orangey | doc|home: true. I thought about that. I figured that if there were a clear winner, that would emerge | 08:20 |
| orangey | e.g., if you say what's the best desktop in linux, you'll get 4 answers out of a possible 20+ desktop environments out there | 08:20 |
| doc|home | if it's down to two then try both and see which you prefer | 08:20 |
| orangey | doc|home: yeah, will do. | 08:20 |
| orangey | what do you use, if any? | 08:20 |
| doc|home | I don't, twitter's a waste of time :P | 08:21 |
| orangey | of course it is! | 08:21 |
| orangey | but communication in general is : ) | 08:21 |
| doc|home | there's such a thing as productive twitter :) | 08:21 |
| doc|home | er, damn it | 08:21 |
| doc|home | productive communcation | 08:21 |
| orangey | there's such a thing as productive twitter, too | 08:22 |
| doc|home | rubbish | 08:22 |
| orangey | my usecase is pretty good | 08:22 |
| doc|home | now you're just being ridiculous | 08:22 |
| orangey | I used to receive links about interesting articles from people via email | 08:22 |
| orangey | I had filters more or less categorize them in appropriate folders | 08:22 |
| orangey | now, by and large those people have all moved to identi.ca/twitter | 08:22 |
| orangey | the good ones are still referencing/linking good articles for me to read | 08:23 |
| orangey | just in a different place. | 08:23 |
| orangey | I actually don't understand why you can't follow public twitter feeds without an account, actually | 08:23 |
| orangey | but no real client has that functionality | 08:23 |
| orangey | anyhow, I think that if you back off of your dogmatic view of twitter as total garbage, you'll realize that you can dumpster dive some good stuff sometimes | 08:24 |
| doc|home | either way, you're still in a dumpster | 08:24 |
| orangey | people eat out of dumpsters | 08:25 |
| orangey | sometimes really delicious stuff | 08:25 |
| doc|home | oh, well, when you put it that way... | 08:25 |
| orangey | like a friday night outside a grocery store.. yum! | 08:25 |
| doc|home | I'm going to go over here now to talk to the not-crazy dumpster-food eating people | 08:25 |
| doc|home | ----> | 08:25 |
| doc|home | :) | 08:25 |
| orangey | hahahahaha! | 08:25 |
| orangey | what's your main means of communication? | 08:26 |
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| orangey | hmm. khweeteur's installation segfaults | 08:26 |
| orangey | sweet! tweedsuit lets you add RSS feeds too! | 08:28 |
| orangey | but no identi.ca | 08:28 |
| orangey | as expected, both together would be the perfect product | 08:30 |
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| jonwil | bah, cant figure out this makefile and debian stuff | 08:34 |
| jonwil | Anyone here any good with automake/autoconf/dpkg? | 08:46 |
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| crashanddie | jonwil, just ask | 10:52 |
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| jack_lt | DocScrutinizer2, I need to download a charger script? where to find it? | 11:56 |
| Sicelo^ | ~hostmode-charging | 11:57 |
| infobot | well, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 11:57 |
| Sicelo^ | jack_lt: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge.sh.txt | 11:58 |
| jack_lt | 404 Not Found | 11:58 |
| Sicelo^ | use this one actually.. latest http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt | 11:58 |
| jack_lt | ok thx | 11:59 |
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| jack_lt | logger stopping vboost && boostoff | 12:04 |
| jack_lt | do I need anything special to run this? ^ | 12:04 |
| Sicelo^ | no. | 12:05 |
| jack_lt | k | 12:05 |
| Sicelo^ | just run the charge script.. just make sure to use the correct order, ie, don't connect external power before hitting VBoost ON | 12:05 |
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| Sicelo^ | the other commands he put in there were for testing, etc. u don't need them | 12:06 |
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| Sicelo^ | if u are using latest booston script, the dialog to the effect that usb power has been shut down for no reason is not an error msg. took me long to learn | 12:10 |
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| jack_lt | Sicelo^, charging seems to work, but my keybd doesn't work yet together with charging | 12:18 |
| jack_lt | Sicelo^, i've it connected to the active hub | 12:19 |
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| jack_lt | Sicelo^, Y-cale, 2xA + 1x mini B: main A to upstream hub, other A to downstream hub (charging), usb keybd to other downstream hub | 12:20 |
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| Sicelo^ | did it get recognized after enumeration? check dmesg | 12:26 |
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| jack_n900 | http://fpaste.org/a4KZ/ | 12:36 |
| jack_n900 | Sicelo^, | 12:36 |
| cityLights | I dont understand 700$ for the N9? | 12:36 |
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| cityLights | hi lardman | 12:45 |
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| cityLights | coming to fosdem? | 12:45 |
| jack_n900 | hmm | 12:47 |
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| Sicelo^ | try with only the y-cable | 12:55 |
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| jack_n900 | without hub? | 12:57 |
| Sicelo^ | yes | 12:57 |
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| jack_n900 | with charger? | 12:59 |
| jack_n900 | ./charger | 12:59 |
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| Sicelo^ | yeah. see doc's pic as well. | 13:00 |
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| Sicelo^ | also, u may want to restart h-e-n. | 13:01 |
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| jack_n900 | it has nothing to charge from I guess | 13:07 |
| jack_n900 | without hub | 13:08 |
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| jack_n900 | when do u run logger stopping boostoff | 13:09 |
| jack_n900 | after booston and connecting usb y + hub? | 13:10 |
| jack_n900 | or before connecting usb stuff | 13:11 |
| Sicelo^ | u don't need those. just run hen as usual. when u enable vboost, connect your whole setup to N900. enumerate... | 13:12 |
| Sicelo^ | then you can start the charging script | 13:12 |
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| jack_n900 | hm i ve my keybd connected with y only | 13:25 |
| jack_n900 | no charging | 13:25 |
| jack_n900 | low speed | 13:25 |
| jack_n900 | keybd conn. to main A | 13:25 |
| Sicelo^ | how do u connect the B to N900? | 13:26 |
| jack_n900 | micro B directly | 13:26 |
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| Sicelo^ | your Y-cable has direct conn to N900? wow! | 13:28 |
| jack_n900 | with micro usb | 13:28 |
| jack_n900 | hmm if I start charger now and connct other A to hub it seems to charge | 13:29 |
| Sicelo^ | ok. so u must. 1) connect external power to y-cable. and connect kbb. but not to N900 yet. 2) start hen, then soon after u hit Vboost, connect the whole thing to N900 | 13:29 |
| Sicelo^ | 3) start the charge script.. u can also enumerate at this time | 13:30 |
| jack_n900 | this is what i described right? | 13:30 |
| jack_n900 | keyb to main | 13:32 |
| jack_n900 | low speed | 13:32 |
| jack_n900 | micro usb to n900 | 13:32 |
| Sicelo^ | then i dunno why it's not working. my n900 is actually happier with external power than without | 13:32 |
| jack_n900 | othet A to hub | 13:32 |
| jack_n900 | its working now | 13:33 |
| jack_n900 | afaik | 13:33 |
| Sicelo^ | working? as well as charging? | 13:33 |
| jack_n900 | looks like | 13:33 |
| jack_n900 | but keybd is directly to n900 via Y | 13:34 |
| Sicelo^ | :) | 13:34 |
| jack_n900 | does that mean it sucks more power? | 13:34 |
| jack_n900 | or gets its power from the hub via the Y | 13:34 |
| Sicelo^ | u also have hhub connected? | 13:35 |
| Sicelo^ | s/hh/h/ | 13:35 |
| infobot | Sicelo^ meant: u also have hub connected? | 13:35 |
| lardman | hey cityLights | 13:35 |
| jack_n900 | one A from Y goes to the hub to get power | 13:35 |
| jack_n900 | the non main A | 13:36 |
| lardman | sorry for the slow reply, probably joined when I switched laptop on and checked my mail | 13:36 |
| Sicelo^ | ok. it's fine like that | 13:36 |
| jack_n900 | the percentage from .charger does it give the state of battery? | 13:36 |
| Sicelo^ | power is coming from the hub. N900 has stopped providing that power. | 13:36 |
| jack_n900 | from 58 to 60% now | 13:36 |
| Sicelo^ | charger script is working fine. :) u are charging, yes.. and it is correct state of battery | 13:37 |
| jack_n900 | ok cool | 13:37 |
| jack_n900 | ha ha nice nice | 13:37 |
| jack_n900 | geeky that is ;) | 13:37 |
| Sicelo^ | very :P | 13:38 |
| Sicelo^ | i use it to show off, lol | 13:38 |
| jack_n900 | he | 13:38 |
| jack_n900 | need to go now very fast .. | 13:38 |
| jack_n900 | thx | 13:38 |
| jack_n900 | bbl | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo^: thanks | 13:59 |
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| Sicelo^ | thanks too :) | 14:04 |
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| RST38h | http://adage.com/article/digital/nokia-windows-phone-miss-holidays-u-s/230604/ | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Insane. | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | And it's probably too late to push n9s into the chanel, even if they wanted | 15:54 |
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| jonwil | bah, this damn thing still wont build properly :( | 16:06 |
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| vdv | can anybody advise some working how-to to install nitdroid UMay on internal mmc? | 16:31 |
| vdv | i've looked here http://wiki.maemo.org/Nitdroid_easy_install_on_EMMC#Installing_Nitdroid | 16:31 |
| vdv | but not sure if it works | 16:31 |
| vdv | because there's no instruction to install multiboot | 16:31 |
| Dibblah | Wow! | 16:32 |
| Dibblah | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n9-3-5-lcd-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-java-black-103485 | 16:32 |
| Dibblah | An N9 for $76.40 ;) ;) ;) | 16:32 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 16:32 |
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| Dibblah | It does Java! That must be good, right? Dual sim, too! | 16:33 |
| Sicelo^ | vdv: i haven't used it. but i suppose multiboot comes in at step 2, Enable (all) repos | 16:34 |
| Sicelo^ | which is followed, after a few steps, by apt-get install nitdroid-installer | 16:35 |
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| vdv | Sicelo, thanks | 16:47 |
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| vdv | Sicelo, but you have nitdroid installed on internal mmc? | 16:50 |
| Sicelo^ | no. i don't use nitdroid. what i said is guesswork | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | This channel does not support nitdroid | 16:51 |
| Sicelo^ | :P | 16:52 |
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| * jonwil wonders why people dont like nitdroid that much... | 16:55 | |
| jonwil | Is it something to do with android generally | 16:55 |
| jonwil | or is the port to the Nxxx just crap? | 16:56 |
| * Sicelo^ understands it to be 2 | 16:56 | |
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| crashanddie | man, our server load just went from 40 to 800 in 15 minutes | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | CPUs still at around 60% tops, 30-40% average | 17:03 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: IO? Disk died or so? | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | Nope | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Nothing in dmesg? | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | Disk is fine, hardware interrupts at 0.1%, software interrupts at 0.6% | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | vmstat shows nothing out of the ordinary? | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- -----cpu------ | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa st | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | 0 0 484 82672 208976 9243332 0 0 8 17 0 1 1 0 98 0 0 | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | nope | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | is that first line of output from vmstat... | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: run it a bit longer. | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: vmstat 1, and see after 5 secs or so. | 17:06 |
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| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/raw/s2ThK0WjUS | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Just a lot of processes. | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | aye | 17:08 |
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| crashanddie | but there's 200 processes running, how can the load shoot up to 800? | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | threads | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | none | 17:10 |
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| vdv | if partition starts at cylinder 2 and ends on 884865, how can i calculate the size of the partition? | 17:29 |
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| vdv | how can i get list of installed packages? with dpkg -l? | 18:02 |
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| flux | yes. another way is dpkg --get-selection (and --set-selection is its inverse) | 18:14 |
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| jacks_n900 | DocScrutinizer, ok keybd + charger seems to working. nice | 18:27 |
| jacks_n900 | i ve usb directly to main A | 18:28 |
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| jacks_n900 | of Y | 18:28 |
| jacks_n900 | micro B to n900 | 18:28 |
| jacks_n900 | other A usb to hub for power | 18:28 |
| jacks_n900 | low speed as without hub | 18:28 |
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| pwn3dU | Can I install maemo on Nokia N8? | 20:01 |
| petteri | not possible | 20:02 |
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| jacks_n900 | hm | 20:04 |
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| pwn3dU | ok | 20:10 |
| pwn3dU | there is only one nokia phone which has maemo installeed, right? | 20:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, arguably there are /3/. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Nokia doesn't market it that way. | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | One escaped. | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | It wasn't really released. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | So, two. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | the other is discontinued | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | But one for sale now. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the latest one is mostly not available to anybody living in a real country. | 20:12 |
| pwn3dU | is it worth buying a maemo phone? | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | pwn3dU: the n9? | 20:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Investigate it, see if it appeals to you. | 20:14 |
| pwn3dU | when there is iPhones and Android? | 20:14 |
| pwn3dU | maemo is linux, right? | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | iOS and Andoid are Suffering, though. | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | unlike andridiot | 20:14 |
| pwn3dU | in maemo can I compile and run most of the linux porgrams? | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | pwn3dU, yes, but the same is true for webOS and Android to a lesser extent | 20:17 |
| pwn3dU | I Android I can't compile and run conventional linux programs | 20:18 |
| pwn3dU | In android all the programs run under Dalvik VM | 20:18 |
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| crashanddie | erhm, no. | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | In Android, you can run regular C apps, you just need to link against the Android libc. | 20:19 |
| pwn3dU | really? | 20:21 |
| crashanddie | Do you even understand what Android is? | 20:22 |
| crashanddie | ffs | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | for some weird definition of "run" that might be true | 20:22 |
| pwn3dU | Android is linux | 20:23 |
| pwn3dU | the programs you write are in java | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, not really | 20:23 |
| pwn3dU | I know you can | 20:23 |
| pwn3dU | run c in anroid | 20:23 |
| pwn3dU | using the NDK | 20:24 |
| pwn3dU | But it's not like a linux machine, I want to weather maemo fells like linux? | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | whether | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, maemo fremantle pretty much feels like it should | 20:25 |
| pwn3dU | *whether | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mostly FHS conforming, all the usual commands are available, the kernel is OSS and 99.x% linus-head | 20:27 |
| pwn3dU | crashanddie: autocorrect on my mac | 20:27 |
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| pwn3dU | @DocScrutinizer that sounds good | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the usual libs are there as well, with same API | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for harmattan though you got this thing called aegis that forbids I guess 70% of what I'm used to do on my linux machines on a daily basis | 20:29 |
| jaska | hmm, i thought they managed to bypass it? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so harmattan kinda is like a linux system without root access | 20:30 |
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| petteri | on n9 i have just put my binaries to /home/user/bin and they seem to work as they should | 20:30 |
| petteri | running on from terminal | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaska: well, you can boot your own kernel without aegis, and watch the userland system break into pieces | 20:31 |
| petteri | from terminal | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | Ok, so they are notreleasing WP7 phones to the US | 21:14 |
| RST38h | Doing Europe first. So much for Elop's wonderful new strategy. | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:15 |
| RST38h | If we are lucky, we will have pleasure to watch 'em release these into the same markets they released N9 to =) | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome. | 21:16 |
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| ErwinJunge | RST38h: So Belgium and.... Kazakhstan? | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | yeah | 21:22 |
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| nielsle_ | The train stations in Denmark are full of N9 advertisements these days. | 21:25 |
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| AcTiVaTe | hi all | 22:04 |
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| jacks_n900 | DocScrutinizer, so keybd + charger is working now ... :) | 22:15 |
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| jacks_n900 | thx | 22:15 |
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