IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-10-24

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DocScrutinizerI planned to do this since err >12 months now, never got to start that tiny project00:00
UberNeoi used the same SD card over NEO for debian and QTmoko and it was fast enough .. but when I am using teh MEEGO over N900 .. it very slow00:02
DocScrutinizerbasically it should be utterly simple: copy / to uSD, create /card/boot/vmlinuz (or kernel.bin or whatever the file actually is called) e.g maybe via copying /dev/mtd1 via dd00:02
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UberNeoif MEEGO over SD card makes my N900 alive . then i dont care about EMMC00:02
DocScrutinizerinstall meego uboot00:03
DocScrutinizertweak the few locations in initscripts that have hard references to NAND00:03
DocScrutinizeraka mtd00:03
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UberNeobit difficult for me .. can only install the meego uboot00:05
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UberNeonot sure ,,which all initscripts needs to be changed ..00:07
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DocScrutinizerUberNeo: the ones mounting eMMC (/home and swap) and maybe somewhere thare are hard references to /dev/mtd*00:08
DocScrutinizerbut I admit it's a rather hard to accomplish task to create a complete maemo system on uSD when you got no such working system on NAND/eMMC00:09
keriodisregard eMMC, only use NAND00:09
UberNeoBut my NAND will be fine ..00:09
DocScrutinizerwell, not impossible (you could get away with copying the pre-firstboot rootfs to uSD, then edit it to not mount /home from eMMC)00:10
DocScrutinizererr, good point :-D00:10
DocScrutinizersorry, seems my coffe level is too low00:10
DocScrutinizerjust edit your initscripts etcf to mount /home and swap from uSD instead eMMC00:11
UberNeomeans mount .. /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 on uSD00:12
DocScrutinizerof course (me <- fool) Your NAND is perfectly working, it's 'just' eMMC so why not boot from NAND00:12
UberNeobut does 256 MB of Nand is enough00:12
DocScrutinizerUberNeo: it is now, so why should that change (enough)00:13
DocScrutinizeryour only problem is that your /home and /opt(!) are probably already corrupted and not a good source to copy them form eMMC to uSD00:14
NIN101/opt/ is  /home/opt/, so /home/ implies /opt/.00:15
UberNeo"/etc/event.d/rcS-late"   this file might need change for mounting00:16
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DocScrutinizerwith a *lot* of luck it might be possible to patch the COMBINED.bin flasher image to mount /home and /opt on mmcblk1 rather than 000:16
NIN101yes this files sets up the swap and mounts home.00:16
DocScrutinizerNIN101: I know00:16
NIN101ok :-).00:16
UberNeodo i need to make changes in fstab also00:16
DocScrutinizerfstab is basically useless and you can't make any changes to it as it's generated at boottime00:17
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NIN101well you can remove the part which generates it at bootime.00:17
DocScrutinizeryou need to take care about that in initscripts as well, that's where fstab gets built00:17
UberNeookk .. so step 1 .. Copy /home and /opt from current running system to  usd00:18
NIN101iirc in rcs-late it says mount /home/ bla bla bla, not mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /home/, but well this can be replaced, so no problem here.00:18
UberNeoStep 2 .. make changes in "/etc/event.d/rcS-late" file . so that it now mount /dev/usdpart1 to /home00:19
DocScrutinizerstrings /home/jr/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/images/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin|grep mmcblk00:20
NIN101the rootfs is in ubifs, and this is compressed, so no wonder that you get no results.00:21
cehtehcould someone please port debian to the n900 (assimilating fremantle kernel and nokia binaries, but the rest from debian)00:21
NIN101the status of debian on the n900 is something like "almost there".00:22
Sicelo_almost there00:23
cehtehi know00:23
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UberNeoDocScrutinizer: strings RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |grep mmcblk  .. gives me the below results00:25
UberNeodrive a: file="/dev/mmcblk0" KERNEL=="mmcblk*", IMPORT{program}="/lib/udev/P /dev/mmcblk0p1 none swapP /mmcblk0p3 mmcblk%d] mmcblk%d] mmcblk /dev/mmcblk0p1+=00:25
DocScrutinizerplease don't pase them here, I know what you got00:25
DocScrutinizergrep -R mmcblk /etc 2>/dev/null; #has a bit more00:26
TiagoTiagoWhat do i need to know to be able to figure out how to change the scripts from so that it sets everythign again without overwriting anything on the existing copy, so i can have it working again after having reflashed?00:27
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DocScrutinizerUberNeo: might be the post for you00:30
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: sorry I don't even understand what you are planning to do00:30
DocScrutinizerUberNeo: though, not really, as that's again running even rootfs from (eMMC)uSD00:32
TiagoTiagoThat things sets up the folders and changes some files on both ends (i think) so the boot menu and the pivot root works, but it erases the existing thing if you try to run it with something already there, when i reflashed, the reflash only touched the stuff outside (i hope), i need to set things again without loosing the stuff inside00:32
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TiagoTiagoI wanna set it up again without loosing the stuff already present in the copied rootfs00:33
DocScrutinizerwtf is "it"00:33
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DocScrutinizermeh, sorry too headache-triggering00:34
TiagoTiago (Palis version of it)00:34
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UberNeo"/etc/event.d/rcS-late"  .. not able to figure out what to change in tht file..00:37
NIN101the line where it mounts the home partition and where it sets up the swap00:37
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UberNeo"/bin/mount /home && grep -q "/home ext3 rw" /proc/mounts"   ..00:39
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NIN101though some lines under this there is again a mount command, which should be replaced too.00:40
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UberNeoNIN101: can u change it .. as I am confused ..00:41
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NIN101/bin/mount /home means it'll look in /etc/fstab for it, so maybe instead of this, something like /bin/mount mmcblk1p /home00:42
NIN101*/bin/mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /home00:42
* DocScrutinizer glares at >>/etc/osso-af-init/ export MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/media/mmc1' MMC_DEVICE_FILE='/dev/mmcblk0p1'00:43
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DocScrutinizerreally a grep -R mmcblk /etc  helps a lot00:44
TiagoTiagoIf i rename the existing folder, then do the process normally, and then delete what it did and re-rename the folder back, would that work?00:46
DocScrutinizeralso keep in mind that in early boot the uSD is mmcblk0 not 100:47
DocScrutinizerit: cmd not found00:47
NIN101argh, exactly, it should be mmcblk0p2.00:48
* NIN101 is confused00:48
UberNeoeven UberNeo is fully confused ..00:50
DocScrutinizersed -i "s/mmcblk0/mmcblk1/; s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/" /etc/* /etc/*/*00:50
DocScrutinizermaybe also in /usr and /var00:51
DocScrutinizerthen dd the whole mmcblk0 to mmcblk1 to move all partitions (or if you prefer and probably it's better anyway: recreate the eMMC partitions on uSD, and cp -a the data)00:52
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DocScrutinizersed -i "s/mmcblk0/mmcblk1/g; s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/g" /etc/* /etc/*/*00:54
* DocScrutinizer just hopes sed is smart enough to not revert own edits00:55
DocScrutinizersed -i "s/mmcblk0/mmcblk§/g; s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/g; s/mmcblk§/mmcblk1/g" /etc/* /etc/*/*00:56
NIN101ok his rootfs stays on NAND? Then rcS-late needs to be modified, and mmcblk1 was correct, if it also moves then it probably shouldn't be modified.00:56
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DocScrutinizer*somewhere* the whole init scripts bunch is refering to mmcblk0 and mmcblk1. You simply swap those, and nothing else needs a change, no?00:59
DocScrutinizerthe kernel/rootfs is still on NAND so no issues there, at all01:00
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DocScrutinizerthe nice part in it: you don't even need to worry about mtab/fstab, about changing any mount commands and whatnot. Just swap mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 systemwide01:02
DocScrutinizerafaik there's nowhere hardcoded that mmcblk1 is an eMMC and has 32GB01:03
UberNeoDocScrutinizer: does this command will take care of changing teh init scripts to pint them to uSD "sed -i "s/mmcblk0/mmcblk§/g; s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/g; s/mmcblk§/mmcblk1/g" /etc/* /etc/*/*"01:03
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DocScrutinizerI guess it's probably the first one that's doing that, the second one is just in case sed is "silly". You should check with one file with two lines like "mmcbl1p1 mmcblk0p4 \n mmcblk0xy mmcblk1"01:05
UberNeowhats "mmcblk§"01:06
UberNeothe sign at the end01:06
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NIN101DocScrutinizer: your sed stuff would probably fail at sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblkX in rcS-late01:08
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NIN101actually, not. Because my sd has only 2 partitions. So my test is useless.01:09
UberNeoI am using the commnd "sed -i "s/mmcblk0/mmcblk§/g; s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/g; s/mmcblk§/mmcblk1/g" /etc/* /etc/*/*"    and its throwing the error "sed: can't move '/etc/X11jZyS9R' to '/etc/X11': Is a directory01:10
TiagoTiagoAm i overlooking somthing or it should be just fine to rename the old rootfs copy folder, run the scripts and then rename it back to have it just as it was before the reflash?  (talking about )01:10
DocScrutinizerUberNeo: I told you to test the cmd01:11
DocScrutinizerit's not meant to be 100% correct01:12
UberNeoOriginal FIle "mmcbl1p1 mmcblk0p4 /n mmcblk0xy mmcblk1"01:13
DocScrutinizerUberNeo: I suggest you do a "grep -R mmcblk /etc /var /usr" and edit all the files you get hits for by whatever method you prefer01:14
UberNeoChanged FIle "mmcbl1p1 mmcblk1p4 /n mmcblk1xy mmcblk0"01:14
DocScrutinizeras I'm just getting tired and not feeling like writing down the correct sed cmd right here now01:14
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DocScrutinizerin fact my sed foo temporarily fails01:15
UberNeoso anywhere .. where i find mmcblk0 .. i shud replace it with mmcblk101:15
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* TiagoTiago sighs01:18
TiagoTiagogotta go make dinner, be back in a few moments01:18
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DocScrutinizerUberNeo: maybe >> for f in `grep -Rl mmcblk` /etc /var /usr; do sed -i "s/mmcblk0/mmcblk@/" $f; sed -i "s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/" $f; sed -i "s/mmcblk@/mmcblk1/" $f; done01:23
DocScrutinizeryou *might* want to add a >>  echo $f << into the do loop, and redirect the whole output to a logfile01:25
DocScrutinizerso you at least got an idea what's been done01:25
* DocScrutinizer waves01:25
UberNeoThanks DocScrutinizer  .. will try this and let u know01:27
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NIN101only for the record: "<NIN101> /bin/mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /home" would have been stupid as it ignores mount options.01:35
UberNeoshall I make 2 partitions on my uSD01:36
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UberNeoNIN101: 2 partitions on uSD and then .. copy the contents of /home/user/MyDocs to 1st partion /dev/mmcblk1p1 and /home to 2nd partion of uSD /dev/mmcblk1p201:42
NIN101no this is wrong01:42
UberNeoAm i right01:42
NIN101actually not the whole truth, you would need a third partition as swap.01:43
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UberNeoso I need to create a 3rd SWAP partition in the uSD01:47
DocScrutinizerexactly like on eMMC01:50
DocScrutinizerjust size may change01:51
NIN101b2w, it MIGHT even work with two, first ext3 and the second for swap. With this you would not have a seperate partition for MyDocs. But do it like on the emmc.01:51
DocScrutinizeryou also need to format those partitions (of that wasn't obvious)01:52
DocScrutinizermkswap for the swap partition01:52
NIN101my test earlier only failed because there was not a swap partition on sd.01:52
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: see chanlog for "multiboot"01:54
DocScrutinizerI bet you'll know what messed up your system then01:54
TiagoTiagoisn't multiboot different from bootmenu?01:56
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TiagoTiagoback, kinda02:21
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TiagoTiagoI need to go sleep, gota go do some bloodwork early tomorrow, cya02:54
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HyperSnyperanyone about that uses UK's Three network on their N900..03:04
HyperSnypercan't seem to get papssed their content filtering. some old posts about saying use "" broadband APN but im still getting filtered on that03:05
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DocScrutinizercontent filtering? o.O03:16
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HyperSnyperit's an adult content filter but it seems to be blocking ALOT of stuff03:19
HyperSnypere.g filehosting sites03:21
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NIN101good night.03:36
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AlmightyOatmealwow, the new kismet sucks.. i'm not sure how to install the previous one, as in i'm not sure the version.. any advice?03:51
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DocScrutinizerHyperSnyper: if it's actually a children protection then you bet it can get disabled only in a way that includes some form of age proof. For sure not by changing the APN, which could be done by kids more likely than by adults ;-D04:19
DocScrutinizerHyperSnyper: I suggest you contact your service hotline04:19
HyperSnyperyeh i guessed so, DNS didn't help04:19
HyperSnyperjust changed error04:20
HyperSnyperthey will want id/credit card04:20
HyperSnypernot very keen on that04:20
HyperSnyperthink i'll just tunnel to server04:20
HyperSnyperfrom some posts online it seem the APN worked at one point in time as they also offer an unfiltered broadband dongle access using same network04:21
HyperSnyperi can connect throught that APN and it still gives out real IP's and not NAT ones like the default mobile apn04:23
HyperSnyperweird thing is though.. the "block/filter" page gives me more explicit info then most sites im trying to vists :D04:24
HyperSnyperadvertises their own ppv section...04:24
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jonwilis it possible to restart hildon-home without restarting the phone?08:05
SpeedEvilkilling the process works08:08
jonwilwill it restart?08:09
SpeedEvilyes, quite fast08:09
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jonwilthat worked, it logged the Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name dbus call08:13
jonwilNow to run some dbus-send tests08:14
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jonwilI need some people to run the following command on their n900s08:21
jonwildbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name08:21
jonwilalso dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_info08:21
jonwiltrying to find out what that returns08:21
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jonwilI am determined to find out EXACTLY how the stock operator name widget gets the name it ends up displaying08:53
jonwilok, WTF. Why would get_service_provider_name return "3" as the service provider name. Doesnt sound like a valid service provider name to me...08:54
jonwilor is there really a mobile operator named "3"?08:54
hiemanshujonwil: yes,
jonwilof course :)08:55
keriojonwil: it's "3 ITA" here, but i guess anglophone countries suck08:56
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jonwilwhat I need to find out is what this damn get_service_provider_info call returns08:58
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* jonwil wishes there was more documentation on this dbus crap09:07
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psycho_oreosactually 3 is supposedly hutchinson but was bought out by vodafone and so its technically known as vodafone hutchinson australia09:10
jonwilwhat matters is that a value of "3" in a get_service_provider_name call (as I saw on pastebin somewhere) is legit09:11
jonwilwhich it is09:11
psycho_oreosas for dbus documentation there's a portion of that on the wiki, though yeah I'll agree its not very detailed and sometimes may leave you pondering how to get it all to work09:12
psycho_oreosI'm not doubting you :) but I can't surf the net without the SIM card in it. Hint: I'm using wireless broadband that's part of 3 network09:13
jonwilunfortunatly there is basically no documentaton at all for Phone.Sim.*09:13
jonwilwell basically none09:14
psycho_oreoslemme guess, you're trying to get something to work with dbus-scripts?09:15
jonwilnope, its for something else09:17
psycho_oreosahh ok09:17
jonwilI am trying to find out how to use Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_info and Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name (along with Phone.Net.get_operator_name) to get the same operator name as displayed by the stock widget09:18
* jonwil is getting really annoyed at these undocumented dbus calls :(09:19
jonwilPhone.Net.* is documented so thats good09:19
jonwilbut Phone.Sim.* is totally unknown09:19
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jonwilonly references to get_service_provider_info I can find with google are to an announcement post for netmon (where it just says "hey, I found this call" without saying anything more), a rant from qwerty12 about non-openness with a reference to it and some references to a shell script for testing stuff which calls that method but doesnt tell me anything about its output09:25
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jonwilWOW, its actually displaying the correct cell tower name09:58
jonwilnow I need to find out what gets applied to the label for the stock home operator widget so I can make the custom code the same09:58
jonwilso it looks more readable09:58
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jonwilIT WORKS10:20
jonwilFound the right stuff to pass to gtk_rc_parse_string10:20
jonwiland its readable10:20
jonwilNow I just need to go somewhere where I can switch towers and see what happens10:21
jonwiland like magic, it switches towers on me :)10:21
jonwilthanks to me living far away from these towers10:21
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cityLightsis anyone here in munich now?10:28
hiemanshujonwil: string "airtel' unit32 0 uint32 0 int32 0 for the first call10:28
jonwilwhat about the other one?10:29
hiemanshuarray [10:29
hiemanshuint32 100310:29
jonwilIs "airtel" your carrier?10:30
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hiemanshujonwil: yes10:33
jonwilIs airtel the actual network operator or are they just a reseller?10:33
hiemanshuActual network operator10:34
jonwilis that on 2G or 3G?10:35
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jonwilthanks for the info btw10:37
jonwillooks very much like what I get10:37
jonwilbut with a different operator10:37
hiemanshuthats what the phone shows, its EDGE though10:38
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jonwilthanks for the info, doesnt help me understand those dbus calls though10:39
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Sicelo^DocScrutinizer: i just got
Sicelo^ran fine. is there anything special u would like tested?15:41
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DocScrutinizernah, it seems to run fine, as you already noticed :-D. See if you find any typos or other errors, or sth that's not really plausible15:44
DocScrutinizermaybe you could test how it behaves on i2ctools missing (just if you feel bored)15:45
DocScrutinizeras that's sth I haven't handled properly yet15:45
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iluminator101i am getting an error 'Memory not accessable. Unable to save content' when i try take a pic16:14
iluminator101on my n90016:15
BCMMis mydocs mounted?16:15
BCMMis the n900 plugged in to a computer with USB?16:15
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iluminator101no its not plugged into anything16:16
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iluminator101i restarted seems to work now16:20
_trinesee if you can take a picture when its saved to an SD card16:20
iluminator101i had unmounting error it works now thanks16:21
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ErwinJungeI'm missing libnvomx in scratchbox, which apparently has something to do with openmax. I thought openmax was supported on the n900?17:48
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ErwinJungeHey, that's dutch :) "the platform is really slow, etc"18:00
ErwinJungeI guess the query explains a bit ;)18:00
crashanddieinderdaad :)18:00
ErwinJungeAnd apparently so are you ;)18:00
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crashanddieI'm not18:02
crashanddieI just speak Dutch18:03
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ErwinJungeThat's a pretty rare skill for someone who's not Dutch.18:06
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n900backerwhere do installed kernels go? like kernel power, there is nothin in /boot19:18
NIN101to the third NAND partition.19:20
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n900backer? i have made an backup image of my device, i want to find out the version of its kernel. how can i do this?19:22
n900backerbackups r from / and /home19:22
n900backeris there anyway to find out the name of its kernel?19:22
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n900backeri had installed kernel power before but i don't remember which version it was.19:23
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NIN101e. g., take a look at /lib/modules/ on the backup of /.19:26
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MohammadAGanyone from the US?19:47
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GeneralAntillesUSA! USA! USA!19:49
* GeneralAntilles coughs.19:50
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, I have someone's number, it starts with 20619:52
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MohammadAGdo I dial it with +1206 or should something be after the 1?19:52
MohammadAGthanks :)19:52
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BerlinermauerHey Guys, Does anyone has this Problem? After about 2 Days my device hangs up. I cannot use the Apps on the Home Window (hildon-home is not answering) and calls and sms aren't incoming anymore, however if i restart the device everything works fine again20:45
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AlmightyOatmealBerlinermauer: sounds like an application has a memory leak. try disabling programs that were recently added around the time the problems began. you can also try ssh'ing into your phone and checking system resource usage and logs20:56
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ErwinJungejavispedro: Swapping out the source for mupen64plus worked like a charm, except for one small change in Are you planning on updating mupen in the repos?21:30
javispedroany worth changes?21:31
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SpeedEvil - I put a phone on your phone, so you can phone while you phone.23:59

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