| HRH_H_Crab | heh | 00:01 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | i actually have a real hankering for a phone with a dab receiver. | 00:01 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i believe the n9 has some funky headphones that can do that. | 00:01 |
| HRH_H_Crab | maybe ill just get an n9 and use an ssh client. | 00:02 |
| HRH_H_Crab | :P | 00:02 |
| psycho_oreos | openmoko is now community supported (manufacturer-less backing) like maemo and very soon meego. nokia and intel dropped support for meego community. hp dropped webos as it could not see a future. There's now a running rumour of nokia mulling over maltemi. google is still dogging with android as well as IP lawsuits from apple but still has a linux kernel in each of the android powered devices. samsung couldn't see much fun with pure linux or pure bsd so th | 00:03 |
| psycho_oreos | ey created bada ages ago which is fairly niche just like maemo. Any other alternatives? | 00:03 |
| wmarone | Tizen, oddly | 00:04 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh yes Tizen the much updated rumour | 00:04 |
| HRH_H_Crab | what is bada? | 00:04 |
| wmarone | rasterman lends it some credibility :) | 00:05 |
| HRH_H_Crab | is it linux with some stuff on top? | 00:05 |
| psycho_oreos | oh I also forgot there was also moblin for instance | 00:05 |
| psycho_oreos | but moblin is just as niche really | 00:05 |
| psycho_oreos | there's a wikipage for bada | 00:06 |
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| smhar | doc|home, but the N900 tech is already behind anyway :-) | 00:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | ARM platform seems to be a little overrated these days, MIPS at one stage was about to jump onto the bandwagon of smartphone market and really if MIPS for example did jump on, maybe the market could be a little more interesting | 00:08 |
| wmarone | mips is there, just on the baseband side of things | 00:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'm already quite surprised the router these days probably packs enough punch to almost be capable of taking on against ARM. The 2 Netgear WNDR3700v2 I bought the other day features Atheros MIPS processor at 600+MHz which needless to say may be just as powerful if not more than my N900 | 00:10 |
| wmarone | the catch being that it doesn't have the power management that ARM does | 00:11 |
| wmarone | also, good choice in router | 00:12 |
| wmarone | OpenWRT I presume? | 00:12 |
| psycho_oreos | I haven't read that much further in detail about MIPS but I'm sure if they stepped in and improved their flaws (such as what you highlighted in power management) then yes a competition against the overrated ARM would be gladly welcomed imo | 00:12 |
| psycho_oreos | or DD-WRT/Tomato | 00:12 |
| HRH_H_Crab | dd-wrt... | 00:13 |
| HRH_H_Crab | *shudder* | 00:13 |
| psycho_oreos | hey, its still linux powered. Or would you like a dose of windows powered router? ;) | 00:13 |
| wmarone | heh, I used dd-wrt on my buffalo until the radio died | 00:14 |
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| wmarone | openwrt is, imo, much nicer | 00:14 |
| psycho_oreos | or even one of those crappy OS that sits on top of TrendChip now powering a few routers which doesn't have any linux backing? | 00:14 |
| psycho_oreos | the two WNDR3700v2 I bought the other day has old OpenWRT installed, so if I do a bit of hardware modding and what not I'll be happy to walk away with a nice powerful MIPS router | 00:15 |
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| wmarone | hardware modding? | 00:16 |
| psycho_oreos | and that reminds me to get rid of this stupid setup on huawei D100 | 00:16 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah hardware modding, with WNDR3700 you can upgrade the RAM and add external antennas | 00:16 |
| wmarone | interesting | 00:16 |
| psycho_oreos | http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3700 | 00:16 |
| psycho_oreos | external antenna modding isn't particularly interesting neither is it new but then again | 00:17 |
| psycho_oreos | and wndr3800 has the cool bits that wndr3700 owners wished to have minus the potential backing of openwrt just now | 00:18 |
| wmarone | yup | 00:18 |
| wmarone | saw it the other day | 00:18 |
| wmarone | 128MB of flash, 128MB of ram | 00:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | apparently it still has 16MB of flash, though RAM is upgraded to yeah 128MB, double the size on wndr3700v2 and quadruple the size on wndr3700 | 00:18 |
| wmarone | the ram upgrade is tempting | 00:18 |
| wmarone | the 3700 and 3700v2 have the same amount of RAM | 00:19 |
| wmarone | the v2 has 2x the flash though | 00:19 |
| * wmarone has his unit booting from a USB hard drive instead | 00:20 | |
| HRH_H_Crab | i need to buy a new router / fwall soon. | 00:20 |
| psycho_oreos | to find the right RAM chip is really hard, yesterday (in my timezone) I asked DocScrutinizer for some electronics suppliers and I found one | 00:20 |
| HRH_H_Crab | gonna use an alix based system i think | 00:20 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i dont need wifi. | 00:20 |
| HRH_H_Crab | prob. put debian on it. | 00:20 |
| psycho_oreos | my bad, wmarone yes, both WNDR3700v1 and WNDR3700v2 has the same amount of RAM, 64MB which is half of that compared to WNDR3800 | 00:21 |
| wmarone | yup | 00:21 |
| wmarone | baffled me when I saw it on the package | 00:21 |
| wmarone | never thought I'd see a router vendor list the cpu, ram, and flash specs of the device | 00:22 |
| psycho_oreos | I never seen the v1 package but when I was at the shop scrutinising over the v2 (because the openwrt wiki has been updated to include v3 almost a month ago before I last visited) just to make sure that I hand over my cold hard cash for atheros based not a broadcrap based | 00:23 |
| psycho_oreos | that also reminds me that I should take a photograph of the v2 box, add detail to my blog and maybe update openwrt wiki, at least its noted the v3 variant does not have 16MB flash | 00:24 |
| psycho_oreos | HRH_H_Crab, sheevaplug ftw ;) | 00:25 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i want 3 nics. :| | 00:25 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and ive heard that all those plug things have really bad heating issues. | 00:25 |
| psycho_oreos | why 3? going to turn a computer into a router? | 00:25 |
| HRH_H_Crab | wan / lan / dmz | 00:25 |
| HRH_H_Crab | im using an old mac atm. | 00:26 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | going to replace it with an alix. | 00:26 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | will be a lot smaller. | 00:26 |
| HRH_H_Crab | quieter | 00:26 |
| psycho_oreos | apparently that happens with the guru plug, well the power version of guru plug whatever its called.. then again it isn't hard to cut venting holes either :D | 00:26 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and use less juice. | 00:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh I've turned one of my desktop into a router before, running ipcop it was a beast of a machine but too bad ipcop's addon support was really fragile | 00:27 |
| psycho_oreos | speaking of overheating issue or issues with the embedded device, I'd steer clear of huawei D100, I have one and it is problematic at times.. so much so that it makes me want to hack it and install openwrt on it, add cooling fins and more cooling vents | 00:28 |
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| hakkattakk | Hi! Is there anyway to catagorize the volume on n900? Like 50% with headphones in SomePlayer and 20% with headphones if anyone call? I have changed the EQ so I have to raise the volume, and if anyone call me I think it may hurt my ears. | 00:58 |
| hakkattakk | or if I get a new email/low battery etc. Like system volume | 00:59 |
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| pistillo | hello | 01:12 |
| hakkattakk | hi pistillo | 01:12 |
| pistillo | hi | 01:12 |
| pistillo | can you help me about android TV box? | 01:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | -> #android <- | 01:12 |
| pistillo | ? | 01:13 |
| hakkattakk | found it! | 01:13 |
| psycho_oreos | pistillo, there's an android channel, you might want to try their first | 01:13 |
| pistillo | is it a channel in this chat? | 01:13 |
| psycho_oreos | it is a channel yes | 01:13 |
| psycho_oreos | s/their/there/ | 01:14 |
| pistillo | ok thanks a lot | 01:14 |
| pistillo | bye | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hakkattakk: those *are* separate volume settings already, for all I know | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | in-call volume is independent from mp3-player vol setting, and system tones have a dedicated setting in settings | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I'm not completely wrong right now | 02:25 |
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| zogg_ | ~ZX2C4 | 02:25 |
| zogg_ | ~Zogg | 02:25 |
| infobot | from memory, zogg is not awesome at all | 02:25 |
| zogg_ | ~ZX2C4 | 02:25 |
| zogg_ | ~seen ZX2C4 | 02:25 |
| infobot | zx2c4 <~zx2c4@ool-182d9714.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 12d 6h 50m 24s ago, saying: 'okay so i guess you don't know if a module exists. thanks for your help anyway'. | 02:26 |
| zogg_ | =\ | 02:26 |
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| hakkattakk | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I found it! Thanks! | 02:29 |
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| hakkattakk | god I love my n900 :D | 02:31 |
| jabis | I'd love an n950 so I could really test shit out x) | 02:32 |
| jabis | having your work phone bricked isn't actually profitable x) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, I'll leave now for a beer next pub, and I'm *not* going to take the N950 with me - N900 >> * | 02:33 |
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| ZogG-laptop | wmarone__: are you getting hornier and hornier? | 02:35 |
| jabis | DocScrutinizer: have some nice beers on behalf of me <3 | 02:35 |
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| jabis | hornier sounds like a new french gunship x) | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hornier&Hornier, the famous french/belgian manufacturers of military aircraft | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (brothers) | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | not related to Dornier | 02:46 |
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| ZogG | wmarone__ don't lie, what is all ___ this about? are you happy to see DocScrutinizer | 02:50 |
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| ZogG | =) | 02:51 |
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| libben | http://lolpics.se/34744-theists so good | 02:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's probably a few good reasons why you wouldn't want to be walking around in the public with N950 anyway :) | 03:31 |
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| kakashi_ | is anybody able to work with dropbox? | 03:50 |
| kakashi_ | I just can't log on anymore | 03:50 |
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| kakashi_ | even after changing the .config file | 03:50 |
| kakashi_ | i.e without getdropbox.com | 03:50 |
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| kakashi_ | any ideas guys | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: well, it was fun to have the N950 with me at chaos camp | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | triggered all kinds of unusual behaviour, and earned me some drinks | 04:22 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, heh I don't mean that it isn't fun to carry your N950 around, I meant in the more of the general context as in using your N950 everyday such as commuting to and from work, going to various places with it every day every week | 04:22 |
| psycho_oreos | it carries a bit of risk though | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah | 04:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'm sure any happy N950 owner in the first few days would be a little paranoid but then would ease up and may want to flirt around with a rare toy, but really that's kinda like holding a lollipop and wondering around waiting for it to catch more attention | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp when taking into account the equation sb did here some monzhs ago which was like $NOKIA_R&D_FOR_MAEMO/MEEGO / $NUMBER_OF_N950_IN_THE_WILD = 3.6 mio USD per device | 04:24 |
| doc|home | woah | 04:25 |
| doc|home | then they put a bullet in the head of the entire thing :/ | 04:25 |
| psycho_oreos | you can thank Elop for all that | 04:25 |
| doc|home | I'll be anti-thanking him by not buying another nokia, does that count? :) | 04:26 |
| psycho_oreos | first it was a very nice ad of N950, then it becomes unavailable and whilst its unavailable the specs are crippled. Then it becomes developer only device | 04:26 |
| psycho_oreos | partially imo ;) I'd also tell people to avoid nokia after N9 | 04:26 |
| psycho_oreos | remember the simple analogy to businesses that one bad customer brings 10 bad customers | 04:27 |
| psycho_oreos | that'll be sure to cut some wounds into them | 04:27 |
| doc|home | I wouldn't even bother with the n9. It's a really nice looking phone, but still-born if the platform's going nowhere :/ | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis made it not even breathe at birth | 04:28 |
| psycho_oreos | I'll admit that N9 is a still-born platform but with maemo's premature death there aren't many alternatives apart from one switching across to a completely different platform | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | stick with maemo | 04:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | I mean what else can one look at? android? moblin? bada? etc? | 04:29 |
| psycho_oreos | maemo won't last around forever :) | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News | 04:30 |
| doc|home | moblin was merged into meego, meego's now dead. Bada's way off from being a competitor. So I'm keeping an eye on android :/ | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Feb. 11 | 04:30 |
| psycho_oreos | oh yeah I forgot about tizen and openmoko too | 04:31 |
| doc|home | DocScrutinizer: it's now oct, and noticeable advancement since then? | 04:31 |
| doc|home | openmoko's dead | 04:31 |
| psycho_oreos | its still in the wraps with that samsung linux.. I won't hold hopes over vapourware imo.. but N9 is an end product, meaning that its not a vapourware.. its already out | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never planned to get any new phone/OS during the next ~5 years, so I'm sticking with maemo and for lack of new hw with N900, and with CSSU. And I'll keep an eye on what raster eventually might come up with | 04:32 |
| psycho_oreos | openmoko is dead manufacturer wise :) | 04:32 |
| doc|home | s/and noticeable/any noticeable | 04:32 |
| doc|home | psycho_oreos: you're trying to say it was strong in software? :) | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | tizen is BS, OM is dead | 04:33 |
| doc|home | bada could be interesting, but until it's actually a competitor with a top tier phone I'm meh about it. No interest in dumb phones. | 04:34 |
| psycho_oreos | doc|home, I'm saying that it still probably is strong in software and some minor closed group hardware developments. Though however its unfortunate that openmoko is mostly dead otherwise | 04:34 |
| doc|home | psycho_oreos: it was never really strong in software | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | OM-the-community/SHR might come up with semi-mature "anti-vendor-ports" for a fistful of devices | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | bada is BS, even more than sybian or tizen | 04:35 |
| doc|home | depends on how bent out of shape motorgoogle gets samsung | 04:35 |
| psycho_oreos | doc|home, hey well I don't know what openmoko is really like but I'm sure its probably as highly configurable (more than maemo) right? and maybe a lot better hardware access compared to android platform | 04:35 |
| psycho_oreos | speaking of which someone linked a mailing list of alternatives to booting up dalvik vm with android devices | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | openmoko doesn't sell any hw | 04:36 |
| doc|home | psycho_oreos: I have a freerunner doing paperweight duties on my desk. I tried to like/use it but it just wasn't reliable enough to be usable. In the end I switched phone company who had hspa as soon as the n900 came out and that was the end of that | 04:36 |
| psycho_oreos | the stuff is in alpha stage | 04:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: what exactly are you talking about? and do you really know? | 04:38 |
| psycho_oreos | not sure if openmoko did sell it but I do remember they organised group purchases for freerunner. | 04:39 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, which the dalvik vm alternative or openmoko stuff? | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's goldelico startting to sell gta04 in a Openmoko case, that's however not anything gaining traction of any degree, any time | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: ENOPARSE | 04:40 |
| psycho_oreos | Error[1]: `enoparse' is not defined | 04:41 |
| psycho_oreos | :) | 04:41 |
| HyperSnyper | anyone use psx emulators, and do any decent games work without overclocking ? | 04:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer has a strange daydream - porting fremantle to N9. What's missing? bme: available by HARM. GFX-accel: same. Boot: check. OK N9 has no kbd :-( | 04:49 | |
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| Macer | finally!! | 06:02 |
| Macer | won a brand new n900 for $255 | 06:03 |
| Macer | after losing bids from the same seller 9 times | 06:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | he was probably happy that he was able to recoup around half the money he spent on the thing | 06:04 |
| psycho_oreos | at least he probably achieved his minimum price mark anyway | 06:04 |
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| Macer | maybe | 06:12 |
| Macer | lol | 06:12 |
| Macer | dont carr | 06:12 |
| Macer | e | 06:12 |
| Macer | cant wait to get it :) | 06:15 |
| Macer | might open it to seriously fix the usb | 06:15 |
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| smhar | docscrutinizer, how do you compare N950 against N900? | 06:27 |
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| Macer | hm | 06:39 |
| Macer | now i have to wait 2 weeka to get the damn thing | 06:39 |
| Macer | weeks | 06:39 |
| Macer | ah well | 06:39 |
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| Macer | http://www.boxwave.com/nokia-n900-cases-and-covers/nokia-n900-armor-case/bwpdd/pf-tckk/ | 07:03 |
| Macer | have to get one :) | 07:03 |
| Macer | although the giant hinge is kind of ugly | 07:03 |
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| nicofs | i use my n900 as a hotspot. on my laptop i can ping google - but trying to open google in a browser results in timeout... any ideas? | 12:47 |
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| slonopotamus | dns? | 12:49 |
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| nicofs | how could it... ping resolves correctly... | 12:49 |
| nicofs | and not only google... anything | 12:49 |
| slonopotamus | maybe your browser uses different dns server | 12:49 |
| slonopotamus | try opening smth by an ip address in browser | 12:50 |
| nicofs | it's not only the browser... it's all browsers, pidgin, xchat... even lynx | 12:50 |
| slonopotamus | firewall? :) | 12:50 |
| slonopotamus | ping is icmp, all the rest you listed is tcp | 12:51 |
| nicofs | how can i check if there is a firewall blocking anything? | 12:51 |
| nicofs | i never set one up | 12:51 |
| slonopotamus | ask your network administrator | 12:51 |
| nicofs | what admin of which network...? i'm using 3G... | 12:53 |
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| hakkattakk | nicofs: test to browse to this address: http://173.194.32.17 | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | moo | 13:03 |
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| nicofs | hakkattakk timeout | 13:08 |
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| hakkattakk | nicofs: strange, have you tried another broswer? | 13:11 |
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| nicofs | hakkattakk chromium, firefor, lynx. pidgin, xchat... | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | traceroute google | 13:41 |
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| mr_jrt | I still have no idea what the problem was with the hinge given that the near-identical E7's is apparently fine. | 14:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | on the contrary you're offtopic | 14:23 |
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| TiagoTiago | My N900 won't turn on and if i plug the charger it kinda goes into a reboot loop and never even starts to charge Dx | 14:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | If i try to turn it on it stays in the NOKIA screen for a while and then the screen fades kinda like as if i pulled the battery | 14:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | reflash? | 14:36 |
| TiagoTiago | i just did that a couple weeks ago, took more than two days without sleep to get everything installed and set just the way i wanted :( | 14:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | I guess you have had a minor hiccup somewhere and now the device cannot boot properly without reflash.. you might be able to boot in via R&D mode but I wouldn't hold my breath | 14:38 |
| TiagoTiago | Fuck, windows flasher won't do R7D mode? | 14:39 |
| TiagoTiago | R&D* | 14:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | you might be able to alleviate that by booting into linux either through real or virtualised and going from there | 14:41 |
| psycho_oreos | iirc the updated 0xFFFF tool maybe able to set R&D mode but I don't know if you can compile it on windows though | 14:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | Hm, it's now in the NOKIA screen forever with the status LED steady yellow after i plugged the usb cable right after pressing the power button; is that of any help? | 14:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | Is there any option not involving me having to download a Linux image? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no flashing with depleted battery | 14:56 |
| TiagoTiago | It was green before this started :( | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no charging with messed up rootfs | 14:56 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | CHARGE YOUR BATTERY COMPLETELY PRIOR TO FLASHING | 14:57 |
| TiagoTiago | steady yellow means it is charging without rootfs? | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but only emergency charge to ~3.6V, way too low for flashing | 14:57 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 14:58 |
| TiagoTiago | seems i'm screwed :( | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you are trapped in a well known deadlock, and your only chance is to get a charged battery without using the N900 to charge it | 14:58 |
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| TiagoTiago | I don't have an external charger nor another device compatible with the battery :( | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | alien charge (compatible Nokia device), external stand alone charger, or a brand new battery | 14:59 |
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| TiagoTiago | don't got another battery either | 15:00 |
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| dm8tbr | or lab bench power supply with proper regulation | 15:01 |
| TiagoTiago | what happens if i try flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode (windows obviouslly) | 15:01 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's your general plan? hacking some DIY only advisable to electronics hackers? visit a friend who got a compatible phone? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | order a charge? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: nuttin happens | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is no such method out of your deadlock situation | 15:03 |
| TiagoTiago | If i can't enable R&D mode under Windows i guess the only option for the moment would be to try to get some sort of Linux running on my desktop | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't ernable R&D mode under any OS when bat is empty, and it wouldn't help anything anyway | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you should've installed (and used) backupmenu | 15:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | RD mode works under windows it seems | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it a) would allow yu to restore to a prev customized system in no time (once you fixed your issues with booting, e.g. by reflah) and b) it has a builtin charger mostly immune to rootfs kickups | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: r&D mode doesn't by any definition "work" under any host OS | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a mode set on N900 | 15:06 |
| TiagoTiago | "You must use a Linux or a Mac OS X computer to enable R&D Mode, as the Windows update wizard will not allow you to enable/disable R&D Mode. Although, the Windows flasher will disable R&D Mode if you use it to reflash a device that has R&D Mode already enabled. " | 15:06 |
| TiagoTiago | http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 15:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: moo | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | is this related to your problem? | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st | 15:07 |
| chem|st | TiagoTiago: wont help your problem | 15:07 |
| TiagoTiago | someone here suggested i try to switch to R&D mode to boot and fix the reboot loop | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BS | 15:07 |
| chem|st | TiagoTiago: your state is "battery too low to do anything" | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, most probably BS | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly what chem|st says | 15:07 |
| chem|st | TiagoTiago: that only works with a healthy battery | 15:08 |
| chem|st | and even then it might not do any good... | 15:08 |
| TiagoTiago | But the issue started right when i rebooted with green status led (it was connected to the wall charger overnight | 15:08 |
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| chem|st | rebootloop drains the battery in no time | 15:08 |
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| chem|st | wb gri | 15:08 |
| TiagoTiago | the reboot loop drained the battery in just a few minutes without the device not even feeling warm? | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | green light is an info of the system, not a surveillance for a nuklear powerplant. It may be completely wrong | 15:09 |
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| chem|st | TiagoTiago: your device drains on a wallcharger too, as the green state remains without checking if it should be recharged if once been there and the charger does not get replugged | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if for example bme segfaulted and never recovered, then your charging stopped and *nobody* bothered to reset the green light to off | 15:10 |
| TiagoTiago | So it could actually have already drained the battery but it only realised it was out of charge after rebooting? | 15:10 |
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| chem|st | TiagoTiago: exactly | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:10 |
| chem|st | happened to me once or twice | 15:10 |
| TiagoTiago | Isn't there some sort of watchdog or somthing that would fire BME back again if it crashed? | 15:11 |
| chem|st | bme and mce were going wild and needed the battery removed | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but if this failed (does frequently with e.g PK47 with bq27x00.ko loaded) then no luck | 15:11 |
| chem|st | I found out by notworking lights | 15:12 |
| chem|st | so no backlight and no kbdlight | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the bme restart) | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | long story short - what are you going to do now? if it's "I'll flush that n900 down the toilet" then tell me where you live so I can check the drain | 15:13 |
| TiagoTiago | If i get a linux running, could i use that rescueos initrd thing to try to fix things? | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need a charged battery | 15:14 |
| TiagoTiago | I'm freaking out, but not that gone insane just yet | 15:14 |
| TiagoTiago | that insane* | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | good thinking, but unclear if you ever get rescue-initrd running on a flatbat-device | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | coldflashing might work, to start the rescue initrd, but that's never been described | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you'd be the first one to do it, and no support, not even much of support from me, sorry | 15:16 |
| chem|st | TiagoTiago: yeah nice idea but you need power, as DocScrutinizer just said coldflashing might get you back into emergency charging but noone ever tried that documented... | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I may help though in working towards an alternative for charging that doesn't include N900 | 15:16 |
| TiagoTiago | that involves having those special plugs for those ports under the battery, right? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 15:17 |
| chem|st | actualy no | 15:17 |
| chem|st | you need a charger which can charge LiPoly @1.2A 5V | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it involves pro level understanding of flaher, rom-bootloader, 1st and 2nd level bootloader, and the way to bootstrap a device out of nirvana | 15:18 |
| TiagoTiago | Is there some follproof way of improvising a charger? | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the coldflashing that is) | 15:18 |
| chem|st | TiagoTiago: nope | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost foolproof | 15:18 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: foolproof? | 15:19 |
| chem|st | yeah almost... | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | old nokia charger | 15:19 |
| TiagoTiago | I can't just pull some wires straight from the wall charger and touch the battery wires, can i? | 15:19 |
| TiagoTiago | battery contacts* | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4.8V 600mA, will happily charge the cell until it explodes ;-P | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not really) | 15:20 |
| TiagoTiago | doesn't sound foolproof :/ | 15:20 |
| chem|st | nope | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: not from usb wallcharger, no | 15:20 |
| TiagoTiago | What about one of those old ones, with the small pin plug? | 15:20 |
| chem|st | you need a powersupply with 4.8-5V and limit the current to 600-1000mA | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need an old nokia charger with barrel connector that says sth like "4.8V= 600mA" | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, one of those old ones | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | but must be Nokia original | 15:21 |
| chem|st | if you got one of those you can go for it, they have a charger array | 15:22 |
| TiagoTiago | How do i know which wire goes where? | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | those barrel connectors have an inner contact which is + and goes to +, and a sleve/outer which is - and goes to - | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I strongly recommend you get a voltmeter as well | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and check the battery voltage every 5 min | 15:24 |
| TiagoTiago | It wouldn't help to test with my tongue, would it? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop chaging when battery voltage goes well over 4.0V | 15:24 |
| TiagoTiago | meanwhile i should disable RD mode? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, tongue doesn't have 5% accuracy (except mine ;-P ) | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you shouldn't even care about R&D | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | external charger is 4.20Eur from eastmaze | 15:25 |
| TiagoTiago | I'm not sure where i can find somthing open around here on a Sunday... | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | please also check http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility and think *twice* if you may find a compatible device for charging | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | better wait until Monday or even next month, rather than nuking your beloved N900, no? | 15:27 |
| TiagoTiago | the charger i got is a AC-3EB; it says it's output is 5.0V and 350 mA | 15:27 |
| TiagoTiago | it was for a N73 | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia I guess | 15:28 |
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| TiagoTiago | yep | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | barrel connector? | 15:28 |
| TiagoTiago | the thin one, yes | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | with the "hole" in middle | 15:28 |
| TiagoTiago | i also saw another one with the bigger round one, i thikn it was for a 3675 (am i remembering the model name right? it was the one with the round dial-like keypad) | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | "the thin one" isn't exactly descriptive | 15:29 |
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| chem|st | 1.5mm | 15:29 |
| chem|st | or something | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh fsck, 1.5mm barrel? | 15:30 |
| TiagoTiago | Oops, i meant 3650 | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_connector | 15:31 |
| chem|st | or 2.3mm or something | 15:31 |
| chem|st | smaller than a 2.5mm jack | 15:31 |
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| TiagoTiago | IT's about as thick as the "N900" reflective text on top of the N900 screen | 15:32 |
| TiagoTiago | It's* | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it is, if it's a Nokia wallwart and says sth like 5V xxxmA | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | all my 2mm "5V" output 6-8V | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you're quite probably safe with attaching it to the battery, + to +, - to - | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: without load, that'S ok | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't matter that much if you monitor charging constantly and stop at 4.2V | 15:34 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 2mm it is | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop at 4.05..4.10 volt | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | no good idea to go to the limit with such a brute force mcGyver setup | 15:35 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: he could stop at 3.9 and try emergency charging with the device | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, as the device doesn't charge | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | he needs a bat that allows reflash | 15:36 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 15:36 |
| chem|st | ah the bricked OS we have too?! | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but anyway a voltmeter is mandatory | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: you *could* gamble and simply charge the battery until it cuts out on overvoltage via protective circuitry, or gets hot. I *STRONGLY* discourage you from doing so | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK | I've accidentally triggered those circuits, and they're not so good. It had no hysteresis, constantly switching on/off and getting warm | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: come back when you got the charger, the wires, and a *voltmeter*, and we'll talk you thru the process | 15:39 |
| TiagoTiago | No way to use the flasher to tell it to bypass the battery and get the energy straigjht out of the usb plug? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you really want to do that. I still think it's a way better idea to find a compatible charger device (aka Nokia phone) and charge your cell with that | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | voltmeters can be found in generic hardware and DIY home improvement stores here, as well as in big supermarkets | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | TiagoTiago; do you have uboot or meego installed? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: we told you several times now thare's evidently no way out of your situation other than alien charging | 15:41 |
| TiagoTiago | ShadowJK: just Maemo | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | (well, except coldflash rescue OS, aka rescue-initrd or meego or NIIN101's thing) | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I honestly doubt you'll succeed to get that working | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | please check http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility and call all your friends if one of then has any of those compatible devices to charge your cell | 15:45 |
| TiagoTiago | Would it be safe to try to charge the battery from a device that isn't compatible, by conecting the contacts with some wires? | 15:45 |
| TiagoTiago | Like a N73 or a 3650? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually yes, but most devices will not work | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | I'm pretty sure I could get wires connected to battery without any of them touching eachother, but not so sure about getting them attached to phone | 15:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | I could probably tape them against the contacts | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bp-4l/compatibility those devices use bp-4l battery (like N810) and are known to charge the bl-5j if you just push the battery to the contacts (it won't fit nicely into the battery bay so you have to push rather hard, but contacts are compatible) | 15:48 |
| TiagoTiago | Do i have to worry about the thickness of the wires or any will do? | 15:48 |
| TiagoTiago | I only got a N73 and a 3650 | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't worry about thickness | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | unless you're making them really really long | 15:49 |
| TiagoTiago | the N73 uses BP-6M batteries, i have to go find where i stuck the 3650 though, i don't think it got unpacked yet after i moved | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway charging with a $RANDOM device by attaching the wires to the battery and device's battery cotacts probably is the worst idea of all | 15:51 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | it's probably less dangerous than attaching random powersupply with wires | 15:52 |
| TiagoTiago | I thought it would be safer than trying to jerryrig a old charger straight into the battery | 15:52 |
| woldrich | TiagoTiago, I was in the same situation myself. Stupid, stupid | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're risking to destroy the abused device, and success is not exactly guaranteed either, as all those devices use some 3rd contact to monitor battery and that usually isn't really compatible | 15:52 |
| TiagoTiago | i see | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: random charger yes, bad idea. Nokia barrel connector wallwart charger: reasonably safe | 15:53 |
| ShadowJK | And if you put a nokia phone in between nokia barrel psu and battery... | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia specs for all their wallwart chargers with barrel connector was such that phone can PWM connect it directly to battery | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | current limiting done inside wallwart | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they are bult for that | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, and with high internal resistance battery, the voltage over battery climbed to 4.6V on my N810 ;p | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | (at which point bme called abort()) | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible, when the N810 doesn't check for voltage and stopped the process just in time | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "normal" wallwart PSUs have a huge buffer capacitor and things like that, and don't react too good to overcurrent, or even provide up to several Ampere when shortcircuited | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia charger wallwart will never provide more than the xxx mA as stated on label | 15:58 |
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| TiagoTiago | the good news is i found my multimeter, the bad news is the aligator clip is so oxydised the resistance is all over the place | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's btw where the term "fastcharger" originates from, I guess. As 'old' Nokia phones never used continuous CC/CV charging, but rather charged PWM (0.5..2Hz) and the CC been delivered by the charger. So a "fastcharger" with 800mA rated output actually chaged faster than one with 550mA rated output | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | alifator clip, humm | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't you have tips on it to just touch the battery's + and - pads? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/pads/contact springs/ | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 16:09 |
| TiagoTiago | i replaced with aligator clips so i wouldn't have to hold it in place, seems i bought cheap ones though (and actually my soldering job was shitty, one of them fell off a while ago) | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cut them off and use the bare wire ends :-P | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | will work just fine to touch the battery contacts | 16:11 |
| TiagoTiago | SEems there is some chemical reaction going on, it's accusing a few microvolts (either that or my house is haunted) | 16:12 |
| TiagoTiago | without anything touching the wires that is | 16:12 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, wait, that is not right, i'm moving the dial up and it still shows numbers, shouldn't it start ignoring the least significatn digits if i switch to bigger voltage? | 16:13 |
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| TiagoTiago | If i pull out the probes seems the probe wires it seems to only show random microvolts, but with the wries attached it keeps showing random numbers (usually bellow 5) for the least significant digit regardless of which range i set it to, even in AC... | 16:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | same thing in amperimeter mode... | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | never mind | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | short the wires, should make those rnadom digits go away. If not, never mind | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | make sure you picker correct meter range (e.g 20V DC) | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probe the battery | 16:20 |
| TiagoTiago | Seems the numbers change, or appear, more often if i have my hand near the thing... | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure you get a semi-steady reading, write it down | 16:20 |
| TiagoTiago | volts or amps? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | VOLT!!!! | 16:21 |
| TiagoTiago | between 3.86 and 3.87 | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually that's not that bad either | 16:22 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 16:22 |
| LaoLang_cool | anyone using weechat on pc? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you may want to charge the cell to ~4V | 16:23 |
| ErwinJunge | I'm installing the maemo 5 sdk from scratch on a new machine using http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer and have a question | 16:23 |
| ErwinJunge | I noticed that the scratchbox repository also has scratchbox-toolchain-cs2009q3-*, while I'm installing scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-* now. Going from a "newer must equal better" viewpoint, is it possible/advisable to switch to 2009q3? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: or you even may try reflashing when your battery is at ~3.9V (3.87 actually). It might just suffice to do a normal flashing | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess the voltage will drop to 3.6 or 3.5 as soon as you insert the battery to N900 and boot up the device | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: I never heard of cs200?q3-* | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you sure this is for N900/fremantle? MAybe it's for diablo/N8x0 ? | 16:27 |
| Kaadlajk | cs2009q3 is the harmattan toolchain | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 16:27 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: It's the 3rd item in the wiki link I just posted | 16:28 |
| ErwinJunge | "Install scratchbox" | 16:28 |
| ErwinJunge | Has a list of packages, with among other things scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 | 16:29 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: the answer is no. | 16:29 |
| ErwinJunge | javispedro: Thanks :) | 16:30 |
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| ErwinJunge | Also care to explain why? | 16:30 |
| javispedro | ABI | 16:30 |
| javispedro | first, each toolchain release is built with a specific glibc version in mind; second, even if this wasn't the case, gcc does have its support libraries around, and the device ones are cs2007. | 16:31 |
| ErwinJunge | Ok, clear. Thankns | 16:32 |
| TiagoTiago | The voltimeter says the wallcharger puts out 9 volts, not 5... | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never mind | 16:34 |
| TiagoTiago | WTF?! it puts out 19 volts in AC 0.0 | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: are you sure you know how to *use* a multimeter? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g. you CAN NOT probe Ampere of any power source! | 16:35 |
| TiagoTiago | why not? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | will most likely destroy your multimeter | 16:35 |
| TiagoTiago | too late :( | 16:35 |
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| jabis | lol @ too late :D | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 16:35 |
| javispedro | ooh, my N900 will be out of warranty in a week. | 16:36 |
| TiagoTiago | how can i check if it's toasted? | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically not at all, in practice check the voltage of the battery, with CORRECT RANGE SET i.e. 20V DC! | 16:37 |
| TiagoTiago | i would expect it would use separate circuits for the voltimeter and the amperimeter | 16:38 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: what you can do btw is upgrade to a new version of the same toolchain, these are also available some times. | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (or 10V or 40, or whatever your DMM offers) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: (separate circuits) possible, but not guaranteed | 16:39 |
| TiagoTiago | what's the proper way to use the amperimeter part then? | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's even a small chance it's still OK or just blew a fuse | 16:39 |
| TiagoTiago | volts still reading almost 3.9 | 16:39 |
| TiagoTiago | it says it can handle at most 200mA | 16:40 |
| TiagoTiago | for the battery that is | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's happening if you try to flash with this battery? I.E. will the USB icon stay on NOKIA screen when you hold "u" while plugging in wallcharger? | 16:40 |
| TiagoTiago | can i trust the charger if it's putting out 19volts in AC? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it a Nokia wallwart charger with a barel connector? | 16:41 |
| TiagoTiago | i could get it to go into,a nd then ouyt of RD mode, haven't tried flashing yet, i was hoping there would be a solution without involving me having to reinstall pretty much everything | 16:41 |
| TiagoTiago | it was, now it got a red and a black wire sticking out | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's OK for charging, but when you get the USB logo steady then the battery is OK for flashing | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | no need to charge it | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, there's no way out of bootloop other than R&D mode and reflashing | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | not if you don't have a clue what's wrong with your system | 16:43 |
| TiagoTiago | I've had way too many sleepless nights latelly, i would rather not have to spend yet another few days burning at both ends to get things back to a reasonable level :( | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems your "reasonable level" caused a bootloop anyway | 16:44 |
| TiagoTiago | One thing i would try if i could get access to the files would be to replace the transitions and leds files back to default | 16:44 |
| ErwinJunge | javispedro: How would I recognize the difference between a new version of the same toolchain and a different toolchain? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and as mentioned before you'd not be in that situation if you had proper backups | 16:45 |
| javispedro | ErwinJunge: by the version number ;P | 16:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | backup menu is incompatible with that techinique for booting from the emmc | 16:45 |
| javispedro | 1.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.2... | 16:45 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: fair idae. So get NIN101 rescue system working, and do exactly that | 16:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | do i get that Maemo VM or should i go with a full linux? | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 | 16:46 |
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| ErwinJunge | javispedro: I'm installing these things via apt-get, I guess it should just get the most recent version automatically. | 16:52 |
| javispedro | ok.. | 16:52 |
| TiagoTiago | Wait, so it can work from Windows? | 16:52 |
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| ErwinJunge | TiagoTiago: The VM thing works fine from Windows | 16:53 |
| TiagoTiago | So i need to get the Maemo VM to use RescueOS? | 16:53 |
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| TiagoTiago | If the problem was in the transitions or the LEDs file would RD mode allow it to boot? | 16:57 |
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| ErwinJunge | TiagoTiago: I don't know about RescueOS, nor what you are trying to accomplish exactly. I've used the Maemo VM to compile stuff to run on the N900. It works for that. | 17:00 |
| ErwinJunge | I'll stop commenting now, since you seem to be trying to do something dangerous and I don't want to be responsible for you blowing up your device :) | 17:00 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: nobody can tell for sure what R&D will do for your device regarding stopping bootloop. You have to try it | 17:05 |
| TiagoTiago | rescueOS booted, now i'm running the charger script | 17:06 |
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| TiagoTiago | started at 70% and it's now at 72%, i guess that means that part is working | 17:08 |
| TiagoTiago | DocScrutinizer but does RD mode allow booting when the transitions or the LEDs file (it's MCE.ini i think) got messed up contents? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: nobody can tell for sure what R&D will do for your device regarding stopping bootloop. You have to try it | 17:17 |
| TiagoTiago | I'm nto talking about my device, i'm talking about RD mode in general | 17:18 |
| chem|st | I'd guess as soon as there is a watchdog it will reboot | 17:18 |
| TiagoTiago | does it bypass errors in those files? | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm not going to start a master thesis to answer your question | 17:18 |
| TiagoTiago | What makes that not a "Yes" or "no" question? | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the fact that mce for example won't help system to operate when it doesn't restart resp. consistently segfaults. R&D mode won't change that | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, R&D mode doesn't "bypass" any errors in any file | 17:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | so it just moves along even if the errors in the files makes the device unusable for the remainder of the session? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it just allows to ignore watchdog timeouts | 17:21 |
| TiagoTiago | i see | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even that you need to enable separately after R&D got enabled | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | R&D by itself has subtile effects none of which will really help you to recover from bootloop | 17:21 |
| TiagoTiago | I see | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe it stops dsme from rebooting the device on excessive restarts of a monitored process, so that *would* help avoid some bootloop causes. Not though for mce I think | 17:24 |
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| TiagoTiago | Is there some log i could check with RescueOS (it can mount the fs's) that would point me to what is causing the device to not boot up? | 17:25 |
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| TiagoTiago | oops, closed the wrong tab | 17:27 |
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| TiagoTiago | Erm, how often does the channel log gets updated? | 17:28 |
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| TiagoTiago | Nope, didn't miss anything while i hadn't rejoined | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | syslog, if you got that running | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on your bootlooping system, that is | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't help much to start ksyslogd on the rescue OS | 17:54 |
| TiagoTiago | crap, i think hadn't installed that yet :( | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | then all logs got lost with each reboot | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmesh just maintains a RAM buffer | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmesg* | 17:55 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 17:55 |
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| TiagoTiago | Where does the N900 stores the reboot count? | 18:06 |
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| Sicelo | /var/lib/dsme/boot_count | 18:09 |
| TiagoTiago | thanx | 18:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | weird, it says it's zero, shouldn't it be more if i'm having bootloop issues? | 18:14 |
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| TiagoTiago | Does RescueOS got fsck? | 18:21 |
| ShadowJK | I ran fsck once, it was big mistake | 18:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | even just to check for the presence of errors? | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | re boot_count see "Houston, we got a problem!" | 18:28 |
| TiagoTiago | It shouldn't be zero? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess the idea of boot counting got nuked with fixing the Houston bug in PR1.1 | 18:29 |
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| NIN101 | <TiagoTiago> Does RescueOS got fsck? <-- yes, for extX and fat. | 18:36 |
| TiagoTiago | Are they safe or should i stick with the experience people had so far with fsck and the N900? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it may take ages, and still result is uncertain | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nothing a proper full reflash wouldn't fix though | 18:39 |
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| TiagoTiago | btw, since i got you here, any progress with adding MidnightCommander to rescueOS? | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except for the flash-storage wear that's of course done by fsck as by any other heavy storage write process | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | (mc) that'd actually be awesome | 18:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | NIN101? | 18:42 |
| NIN101 | No I didn't do anything to add midnightcommander to rescueos. If it's not too big(and I think it isn' :-) then I see no reason why it shouldn't be added. | 18:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1073320&postcount=16 he says it's around 3.8 in Fremantle | 18:43 |
| NIN101 | that's ok. | 18:43 |
| EddyB_ | I have a nokia n900. My friend has a computer with FreeBSD on it. I'm trying to mount the phone so that I can get some stuff off it. Can anyone help. | 18:44 |
| TiagoTiago | 3.8MB* | 18:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Start phone, plug in usb, select mass storage mode. Check dmesg on PC to see what device it appeared as? | 18:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | Btw, does ROS come with any other text editor besides vi (preferably somthing that feels more "normal" to use, without everything going thru keyboard shortcuts like that, perhaps somthing done in ncurses) | 18:46 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 18:46 |
| NIN101 | it comes with nano. | 18:47 |
| EddyB_ | ShadowJK, it says da1 | 18:47 |
| TiagoTiago | cool | 18:48 |
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| EddyB_ | Under /etc/fstab, what is the file system type of the n900 | 18:49 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't use fstab | 18:49 |
| EddyB_ | What do you suggest? | 18:49 |
| ShadowJK | just manually mount -t msdos /dev/da1 /mnt/n900 | 18:50 |
| ShadowJK | or something like that | 18:50 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it's da1s0, not sure, what came up when I googled "How to mount usb flash in freebsd" ;-) | 18:51 |
| TiagoTiago | I can't use ROS to install things on the actual Maemo inside the N900 using apt-get, can i? | 18:51 |
| EddyB_ | Checking now. Thanks. | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | mount_msdosfs is also mentioned | 18:53 |
| NIN101 | it would be possible if you mount the maemo rootfs, the home partition to /mnt/maemo/home/ and a bind mount of /mnt/maemo/home/opt to /mnt/maemo/opt. Then you must chroot into /mnt/maemo, but, as I have read and experienced, apt-get can mess up things, so I wouldn't recommend it. | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather "onstall" manually, by copying the needed files to their locations, and set permissions accordingly | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Install* | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe even run the pre-inst/post-inst scripts of the package on your target, after fixing any paths and other OS rootfs/kernel related stuff | 18:59 |
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| TiagoTiago | If i flash the rootfs, do i have to reinstall everything or just a few things like the power kernel? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *have to* reinstall nothing | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you most likely will want to flash kernel as well, not only rootfs - aka COMBINED | 19:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | i mean, will things get kinda half uninstalled? | 19:05 |
| TiagoTiago | ok, if i reflash COMBINED | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, the apps' settings in ~user/.* will persist | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the apps themselves though are mostly nuked by a combined flash | 19:06 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | i'm new to having a maemo based device.. i have a nokia n810 running OS2008 and i'm having trouble installing apps.. 98% of apps won't install, most give an error about either unable to install dependancies or conflicting with package os2008 feature upgrade 1:5.2008.43-7. any insight? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | standard backup app restore will reinstall them all | 19:06 |
| TiagoTiago | it goes screwy with the quantiy of things i have installed... | 19:07 |
| TiagoTiago | quantity | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | AlmightyOatmeal: maybe ShadowJK may help | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I don't see this problem on my N810 here | 19:08 |
| TiagoTiago | not even Synpatic manages to handle installing just a small fraction of things i want at once, got always do it in small batches | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | AlmightyOatmeal; what app and version are you trying to install? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: err | 19:09 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | ShadowJK: just about anything, litereally. | 19:09 |
| TiagoTiago | I know, i'm a hoarder u.u | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | AlmightyOatmeal: wrong repository? | 19:10 |
| TiagoTiago | Synaptic* | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I'd wonder if you're trying to install stuff from fremantle repos | 19:10 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | http://pastebin.com/VPXMU0c7 <-- the repositories i'm using. i didn't think they were incorrect | 19:10 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | ShadowJK: some are from fremantle, yes | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 19:11 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | ? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't want any fremantle or other (non-diablo) repos | 19:12 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | i had more or less the same issue with using diablo repos, most apps conflict with the os2008 feature upgrade | 19:13 |
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| ShadowJK | You need to remove the fremantle repos, so that it doesn't try install dependencies from fremantle, which would conflict with os2008 | 19:13 |
| TiagoTiago | How hard would it be to make program that checks all the most common places things go wrong for issues and reports to the user what is wrong if it finds anything? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | chinook repos will probably conflict as well | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | Even if you try install something in diablo repo, just having fremantle repos there would cause conflicts | 19:14 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | ShadowJK: ah | 19:14 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | do you have a good repo list for the n810 with os2008? | 19:14 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | otherwise i will grab my other list and strip out the fremantle and chinook repos | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: how many idiots live on earth? | 19:15 |
| ShadowJK | I'd basically start by removing all non-nokia non-maemo.org and non-diablo repos... | 19:15 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | ShadowJK: sounds good | 19:15 |
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| ShadowJK | but then I'd add opera repo ;p | 19:16 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | oh? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can do that later | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | first get a minimal repo list that actually *works* | 19:17 |
| ShadowJK | oh wait, maybe opera is in maemo extras | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not like adding repos later will per se break stuff, as long as the added repo(s) is/are OK for your system | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW there's nothing wrong with starting on a limited repo list | 19:18 |
| ErwinJunge | javispedro: Did you do anything special to the mupen64plus source from pandora? There's a 20110615 version on pandora and the current maemo version is 20110128. I'm willing to compile the new version myself, but just wondering about any changes you might have made. | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | if later on you add a repo and encounter problems/conflicts, then double-check if the repo is actually meant to get used for your platform | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | ok, opera is in extras. Some old ancient version for fremantle is in opera's own repo. | 19:20 |
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| javispedro | ErwinJunge: many, grab the source package | 19:20 |
| TiagoTiago | where does transitions tuner keeps the backup of transistions.ini? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | find / -name '*transitions*' | 19:21 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | i'm also running into the problem where the root partition seems to fill up rather quickly and doesn't seem to be utilizing the internal 2G memory card, i also have an additional 4G memory card | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini.old /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini.default | 19:23 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | is being primarily used up by libs.. is that normal for maemo? is there a way to clean this up, removing things that aren't used? | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AlmightyOatmeal: known "problem" of diablo. You need to deal with it by manually installing / moving to the 2GB | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think there may be wiki pages and/or tmo threads about it | 19:25 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | DocScrutinizer: ah | 19:25 |
| TiagoTiago | i checked the last modifed date and both transistions.ini and mce.ini haven't been modified, so i guess they aren't the ones getting in the way | 19:25 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | well if it's a known issue, i won't beat my head over it and will do some manual tweaking | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check for some howto on maemo.org | 19:26 |
| TiagoTiago | When i power up my N900 it stays in the NOKIA screen with the status led holding that bluish white color for longer than usual and then after some time eventually the screen and the led go black and the device won't boot; does that narrows down the possible causes of the issue at all? | 19:27 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | i can, but wouldn't be the first time i've done things like that. it's been nearly 10 years since i've used anything linux based though | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | there may be unusual problems with moving stuff to eMMC, as some of it is needed during bootup when eMMC isn't yet available | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: no | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | AlmightyOatmeal: maemo doesn't exactly follow FHS recommendations | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so moving stuff from /usr/* to eMMC may well break boot | 19:29 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | DocScrutinizer: silliness. i will consult the web for information then :) | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr, what's up with infobot?? | 19:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | Any idea what i could look into to find what is preventing the device from booting? | 19:31 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | seems having the appropriate repos is helping o:) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: no. As mentioned some time back you got no other chance than reflashing if you got no clue why bootloop happens | 19:32 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | TiagoTiago: if your device is failing to boot, does it come up far enough for you to ssh into? otherwise, iirc from information i have read, you may have to use the usb cable and reflash the device | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: check df -h / | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whatever maemo / is for your rescue-mounted rootfs | 19:33 |
| TiagoTiago | can't find mount point | 19:34 |
| TiagoTiago | i don't hink i could ssh into it, it doesn't autoconnect to wifi at the NOKIA screen does it? | 19:34 |
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| TiagoTiago | same thing | 19:35 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | does the N900 use the same ridiculously tiny barrel plug as the N810? | 19:35 |
| TiagoTiago | nope, usb | 19:35 |
| TiagoTiago | microusb actually | 19:35 |
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| TiagoTiago | think* | 19:35 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | oh, nice.. i read somewhere that the n810 can charge off usb as well | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: didn't you say you got NIN101's rescue system running? | 19:36 |
| TiagoTiago | yep | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's that nonsense about "can't ssh in" then? | 19:36 |
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| TiagoTiago | i thought he meant to shh into the actual Maemo, not just read the files, i can read the files, but it's not running from it's Maemo | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can check how much free space available on the mounted NAND maemo rootfs, in this rescue system, no? | 19:38 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | hmm, pyRadio doesn't seem to be working | 19:38 |
| TiagoTiago | dunno, df is giving that error msg for both / and /mnt/maemo/ | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | initrd-nin101# df -h /mnt/maemo-rootfs | 19:38 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | hmm, what is /mnt/initfs/dev/radio0? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | N800? | 19:39 |
| TiagoTiago | it just calls it maemo | 19:39 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | N810 | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bogus | 19:40 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | pyRadio spits out: RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v8.0 but the PyQt4.QtGui module requires API v7.0 | 19:40 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | DocScrutinizer: oh, you were talking to TiagoTiago, my bad. | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | my last 2 posts were to you: N800? bogus | 19:42 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | DocScrutinizer: oh. it is the N810 and i stumbled upon that /mnt/initfs/dev/radio0 device and was wondering what it is | 19:42 |
| TiagoTiago | last two? I'm confused now | 19:42 |
| Sicelo | lol | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-23 18:39:34] <DocScrutinizer> N800? [2011-10-23 18:39:42] <TiagoTiago> it just calls it maemo [2011-10-23 18:39:53] <AlmightyOatmeal> N810 [2011-10-23 18:40:43] <DocScrutinizer> bogus [ | 19:43 |
| TiagoTiago | oh | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-23 18:39:08] <AlmightyOatmeal> hmm, what is /mnt/initfs/dev/radio0? [2011-10-23 18:39:34] <DocScrutinizer> N800? | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-23 18:39:53] <AlmightyOatmeal> N810 [2011-10-23 18:40:43] <DocScrutinizer> bogus | 19:44 |
| TiagoTiago | if i just do df it doesn't show any filesystems | 19:45 |
| NIN101 | "dunno, df is giving that error msg for both / and /mnt/maemo/" :/ /etc/mtab... initrd... writeable | 19:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 19:46 | |
| TiagoTiago | df doesn't work if the rootfs being used isn't writable? | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk | 19:46 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | TiagoTiago: df should still work | 19:47 |
| NIN101 | that's a bug in rescueos. | 19:47 |
| NIN101 | at least in the initrd image. | 19:47 |
| TiagoTiago | i'm using the initrd thing, no memory card | 19:48 |
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| TiagoTiago | ok | 19:49 |
| TiagoTiago | any other way to check for the freespace in the Maemo rootfs with the initrd ROS? | 19:50 |
| NIN101 | du -sh /mn/maemo should give the used space. | 19:51 |
| TiagoTiago | 303.6M | 19:51 |
| NIN101 | lol. | 19:52 |
| robbiethe1st | wouldn't df -h give a better representaton of actual free space> | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | -x | 19:52 |
| robbiethe1st | after all, the rootfs is compressed | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-23 18:47:38] <AlmightyOatmeal> TiagoTiago: df should still work | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-23 18:47:50] <NIN101> that's a bug in rescueos. | 19:53 |
| TiagoTiago | how big is the rootfs chip again? | 19:53 |
| robbiethe1st | 256mb | 19:53 |
| TiagoTiago | that's not good 0.0 | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | minus some other partitions | 19:53 |
| TiagoTiago | How could it get so big? | 19:54 |
| TiagoTiago | is it counting some files twice? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs 228M | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | symlinks | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | compression | 19:54 |
| robbiethe1st | exactly | 19:54 |
| NIN101 | hm. | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# du -shx / | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | 323M / | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk again | 19:56 |
| robbiethe1st | try "df -h"... | 19:56 |
| robbiethe1st | anyway, bye. | 19:56 |
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| TiagoTiago | is there a way to make du not follow links? | 19:57 |
| TiagoTiago | or that is not the issue? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | see -x, see "compression" | 20:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer frowns at <robbiethe1st> try "df -h"... | 20:00 | |
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| TiagoTiago | -shx still says 303.6 | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | very simple: while echo "1234556778654242764276536425613651365" >> /mnt/maemo/junkfile-delete-me; do :; done | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls -l /mnt/maemo/junkfile-delete-me, rm /mnt/maemo/junkfile-delete-me | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: [2011-10-23 18:55:45] <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# du -shx / [2011-10-23 18:55:45] <DocScrutinizer> 323M / | 20:03 |
| TiagoTiago | that will fill it up till it can't and then i check how big the file is? | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:04 |
| * NIN101 just created a fixed version | 20:04 | |
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| TiagoTiago | where is the bigger-than character inside ROS? | 20:05 |
| NIN101 | depends on your keyboard | 20:05 |
| TiagoTiago | it's the english one | 20:06 |
| TiagoTiago | dunno if there is a more specific name | 20:07 |
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| ShadowJK | > | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:09 |
| TiagoTiago | NIN101: is the fixed version online already? | 20:10 |
| NIN101 | TiagoTiago: uploading | 20:11 |
| TiagoTiago | cool | 20:11 |
| TiagoTiago | did you include mc this time? | 20:11 |
| NIN101 | no. | 20:12 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 20:12 |
| TiagoTiago | with the english keyboard how can i type the > symbol in ROS? Does it got somthing like the Sym VKB? | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | > "GREATER-THAN SIGN", › "single right-pointing angle quotation mark", 〉"right-pointing angle bracket", ⟩ "mathematical right angle bracket", 〉 "right angle bracket" | 20:14 |
| NIN101 | sure. I guess you just have to search. that's the pain, there is only one map and afaik no localized are out there for the console. | 20:15 |
| TiagoTiago | is it avaiable with the default mapping that ROS uses? | 20:16 |
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| NIN101 | yes, search where it is actually mapped... | 20:18 |
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| NIN101 | http://216.189.8.164/N900/rescueOS/resos-0.4.img now up... | 20:19 |
| TiagoTiago | just go pressing random key combinations? | 20:19 |
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| NIN101 | yes. | 20:19 |
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| TiagoTiago | alright, i didn't thought about the possibility some of the regular Fn+keys had been replaced, i though it was gonna be somewhere with Shift+FN or Control+Fn, the pipe is in place of the £ symbol (the z key) and < and > are Fn+Left and Right | 20:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | is it the one linked now at http://nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/ ? | 20:30 |
| NIN101 | yes. | 20:30 |
| TiagoTiago | the kernel is still the same, right? | 20:31 |
| NIN101 | yes. | 20:32 |
| TiagoTiago | what happens if i forget to run the ubidettach or the umount commands before powering it down? | 20:33 |
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| NIN101 | well | 20:34 |
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| TiagoTiago | alright, df works, 78.2M avaiable in the maemo rootfs | 20:36 |
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| NIN101 | try it :P. No, simply that's the recommeneded way to unmount that, usually you should be fine if you don't do it, but simply run the unmount script, that's the clean way. | 20:39 |
| TiagoTiago | can you add a shutdown script that does all the clean up so people can just type a single command and have it go down safelly? | 20:40 |
| TiagoTiago | please* | 20:41 |
| NIN101 | yep, that's actually a plan. | 20:43 |
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| TiagoTiago | 78M is enough freespace on rootfs? | 20:51 |
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| Sicelo | yes | 20:53 |
| Sicelo | i have 60.9 | 20:53 |
| TiagoTiago | Then that isn't why i can't boot either... | 20:54 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 20:54 |
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| Sicelo | wish i could help. problem is some of the things causing your issue could have started long before you realize. especially if you don't boot frequently | 20:59 |
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| TiagoTiago | Having a list of things to check would already be a start | 21:02 |
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| NIN101 | just reflash | 21:12 |
| NIN101 | imho | 21:13 |
| TiagoTiago | I would rather not have to reinstall everything all over again, just did that a couple weeks ago, spend over 2 days without sleep instaling stuff :( | 21:13 |
| NIN101 | next time just make a backup of the list of installed programs :-). | 21:16 |
| NIN101 | afaik the maemo backup utility does that, if not, dpkg --get-selections. | 21:16 |
| TiagoTiago | Automated installers doesn't seem to be able to handle the massive amount of shit i install, even in Synaptic i have to do it in small batches or else the device stops responding forever | 21:17 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 21:18 |
| Sicelo | what synaptic? | 21:18 |
| TiagoTiago | It's like the pro version of HAM | 21:19 |
| Sicelo | most of the guys u have been talking to all along really know what they are alking about (unlike me), so if they all agree on a reflash, starting now is best course of action | 21:21 |
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| NIN101 | afk ; bbl | 21:23 |
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| Sicelo | BacupMenu should be among your first apps | 21:23 |
| TiagoTiago | not compatible with the techinique for booting from the emmc | 21:24 |
| Sicelo | s/cup/ckup/ | 21:24 |
| Sicelo | oh | 21:24 |
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| TiagoTiago | Without that it would be an eternal struggle to keep rootfs clean | 21:25 |
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| Sicelo | :/ | 21:25 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't have backupmenu :p | 21:27 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | ugh, i can't get pyRadio to work because libqt4-openlg is MIA | 21:28 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:28 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | opengl* | 21:28 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | unless there is some other Pandora application available | 21:29 |
| Sicelo | but u know maemo better than most of us MohammadAG | 21:30 |
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| AlmightyOatmeal | libpythonqt4-opengl i believe | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: BS, there's HAM for restoring things from backup app, and I can't see how it fails on any number of apps to reinstall | 21:33 |
| TiagoTiago | Never worked for me | 21:33 |
| TiagoTiago | How many programs have you tried to install simultaneouslly? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess an OTA SSU is about installing *all* apps in one session | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they aren't installed "simultaneously" but one after the other | 21:35 |
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| ErwinJunge | javispedro: When I download the source of mupen64plus from the maemo packages website, it is an orig and a diff. I'm guessing the diff is your changes. Is there a way I can just swap out the orig source and rebuild a deb? | 21:35 |
| javispedro | that is the idea | 21:36 |
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| TiagoTiago | That is with things made by Nokia, i'm talking about hundreds of programs made by all sorts of different people, many just barelly ported, many poorly tested, and of course, there is that glitch where the device will freeze with intensive disk action | 21:36 |
| ErwinJunge | Ok, cool. Any help with the commands? I can apply your diff to the new source without problems, but am lost on how to turn that into a deb | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: ...and just in case we're (obviously) not talking about same thing: you noticed you can even deselect arbitrary apps from restore when doing that backup app restore HAM thing? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: but yeah, I noticed your tendency to do things in a "smarter" way than all of us here suggest to you | 21:38 |
| TiagoTiago | That still leaves me with fixing installs manually, and having to (de)select thigns one by one and all the waiting wondering if it crashed or if tomorrow it will have finished doing whatever is keeping it so busy it has a hard time even making the key clicks | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? go cry a bit? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | here's nobody to help you out, as there's no way to help you out | 21:39 |
| TiagoTiago | reflashing is for when you give up, it's not a solution to a problem, it's starting over, if i can figure out how to fix things i rather | 21:40 |
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| TiagoTiago | reflashing might be simple, but it's not necessarily smarter | 21:41 |
| TiagoTiago | simpler* | 21:41 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Do you know how to swap out the original source in a deb and rebuild it? | 21:44 |
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| TiagoTiago | With reboot loops being so common, hasn't anyone copiled a small list of the most common causes? | 21:48 |
| ShadowJK | Unable to mount filesystems, error in configuration files or init scripts you've modified | 21:49 |
| ShadowJK | the latter includes apps that meddle with them | 21:49 |
| ShadowJK | also uninstalling vital components, like maemo-*pr* | 21:49 |
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| TiagoTiago | Those sound a bit general, no files that get errors more commonly, or scripts that are the ones that go bad more often? | 21:51 |
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| ShadowJK | they don't "go bad" by themselves | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: sorry, no | 21:52 |
| TiagoTiago | I know, things aorund, users or programs, mess them up | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | The only common cause I can think of is when people think that fstab actually does something, or assume they can manually move random things away from rootfs onto emmc | 21:52 |
| TiagoTiago | but i would expect some are more common than others | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: don't forget custom kernels with modules written by devels with poor insight into system requirements and restrictions | 21:54 |
| ShadowJK | also running "apt-get upgrade" :) | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:54 |
| ShadowJK | (or similar through synaptic/whatever) | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | INDEED | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the "better HAM" X-P | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | HAM haters | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | try Cydia on the iPhone | 21:56 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | Bacon > HAM | 21:56 |
| AlmightyOatmeal | o:) | 21:56 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | Sincerey, a pissed off user | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/whatever/fapman/ | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "I uninstalled power kernel, now it doesn't boot anymore" XP | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | that's like I removed the battery it doesn't turn on anymore | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | or I took out someone's brain and he turned into abill_uk | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now the ABSOLUTE NUMBER ONE: <drums...> **multinoot** | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/noot/boot/ | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I owe you one, for this laugh about abill | 22:00 |
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| ErwinJunge | Slightly relevant question: is dpkg -i <package> safe? | 22:07 |
| ErwinJunge | I figured out how to rebuild with new source, but now I have to install that deb ofcourse :) | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | DEPENDS ON THE PACKAGE | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | sorry caps | 22:08 |
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| ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: It's mupen64plus | 22:13 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT, FRIEND | 22:18 |
| kerio | </POLITE_ALLCAPS_GUY> | 22:18 |
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| keithzg | huh, irggu demands maemo-ringtones-mr0 as a dependency, but that's supposedly in the main repos . . . so why can't I see it, and why isn't it just automatically pulled in? | 22:33 |
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| Sicelo_ | keithzg: it seems to be in nokia repo | 22:39 |
| Sicelo_ | which means it should already be on your device. what error are u getting? | 22:39 |
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| MohammadAG | mr0 stands for global | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | he probably has a US variant, aka 002 | 22:40 |
| Sicelo_ | ah :) | 22:40 |
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| keithzg | I *thought* I had it set up as global, but I may have used the wrong file last time I reflashed | 22:41 |
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| keithzg | that's a rather stupid dependency then, though... | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | much more stupid than you probably implied. Why would any app have a dependency to a certain set of **ringtones** ? :-o | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, FYI the package contains no files afaik | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol. even worse | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | irggu (?) should provide a way user selects whatever she likes for ringtones. And if there *has* to be a default ringtone, irgru should ship that ringtone file in own pkg, not depend on rintones-mr0 or whatever | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I really can'T see what forbids using the currently selected standard profile ringtone to get "hardlinked" rather than depending on some rintones-mr0 pkg | 22:57 |
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| TiagoTiago | You guys that understand more of these things, could take a look at the technique from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59374 (or rather the version from Pali mentioned in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=930141&postcount=139 ) and try to figure out the steps i must take in order to set things again after a reflash without loosing the stuff inside the emmc copy? | 23:02 |
| TiagoTiago | please* | 23:03 |
| kerio | holy shit does the openpandora really have ctrl and alt between the analog sticks instead of near the keys? :\ | 23:03 |
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| keithzg_ | Tempted to try and just modify the irggu .deb to remove the dep...in the meantime I suppose I'll just use XChat, which has installed perfectly fine on every system I've had since the early 2000s, heh. | 23:12 |
| keithzg_ | I remember the first time booting Knoppix and going "whoa, there's an mIRC-like client installed by default, AND it isn't nagging me to pay? Linux is awesome!" ;) | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use --force | 23:22 |
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| UberNeo | Guys ..please help me ..with my broken EMMC on N900 .. as I am getting the messages like mentioned in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50506 | 23:26 |
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| jacekowski | have you tried flashing it? | 23:28 |
| UberNeo | I am able to flash the OS .. but after that automatic reboots ..and only pink icons .. with no proper characters | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | what? | 23:28 |
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| UberNeo | flashed it many times | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | how are you flashing it | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | it shouln't reboot when you are doing it right | 23:29 |
| UberNeo | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 23:29 |
| UberNeo | removing the battery | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | that's emmc | 23:29 |
| UberNeo | and after tht reinserting the battery and sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | what about cobined? | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | you do combined first | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | and then emmc | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | without reboot | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | without -R | 23:30 |
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| UberNeo | okk . lemme try .. | 23:30 |
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| UberNeo | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. Using flashing protocol Mk II. SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1. | 23:34 |
| Sicelo_ | 0.0 | 23:35 |
| UberNeo | getting this error . when I am trying to flash the EMMC image after the COMBINED IMage | 23:35 |
| UberNeo | without reboot or any -R option | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | try emmc first | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | but that shouldn't cause any problems anyways | 23:36 |
| UberNeo | I always used to flash EMMC firsrt .. remove batery after that .. and then COMBINED with -R option | 23:37 |
| UberNeo | and it alyws flashes | 23:37 |
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| UberNeo | I removed the battery now .. and then try to flash the EMMC .. after reinserting the battery .. it got flashed now | 23:40 |
| TiagoTiago | damn fridge can't make its mind and every now and then tries to turn jello into fruity icecubes :/ | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: there's nothing wrong with flashing eMMC first | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: when UberNeo actually got a fried eMMC then there's just little he could do about it. | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: just for my curiosity - did you overclock? | 23:48 |
| UberNeo | DocScrutinizer: no .. i didnt overcloked it .. | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I hope for you still being covered by warranty | 23:49 |
| UberNeo | just one day .. it starts getting rebooted ... no space .. and Internal errors kinda measge | 23:49 |
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| UberNeo | no Warrnty .. bought it over EBAY :( | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 23:49 |
| UberNeo | now dmesg .. shows lots of errors messages like [ 892.505706] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 58743105, nr 7, card status 0x200900 [ 892.505737] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 58743105 [ 892.516876] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 58743106, nr 6, card status 0x200900 [ 892.516906] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 58743106 [ 892.528045] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 5874 | 23:50 |
| UberNeo | many I/O errors | 23:50 |
| UberNeo | i tried using MEEGO over SD card .. but thats dammn slow :( | 23:51 |
| dm8tbr | CE boot from SD: first boot is slow, and if you don't use at least class 6 it is always slow | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall I suggested to swap the eMMC, find a repair shop that'S equipped and experienced to do this sort of SMT repair | 23:51 |
| UberNeo | I mean .. is there no other way like finding the badblocks and just dont use those blocs | 23:52 |
| UberNeo | already tried badblocks -w /dev/mmcblk0p2 many times | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way to handle bad blocks from software side, it's all handled transparently by the MMC controller inside the card/chip | 23:54 |
| UberNeo | also .. swapped the /dev/mmcblk0p2 by /dev/mmcblk0p1 making /dev/mmcblk0p2 as 27 GB | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | well, ext2/3 and some other filesystems can do badblocks and whatnot | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't help as the erase pages swap logical location all the time | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MMC controller does hidden remapping | 23:55 |
| UberNeo | and whenever I flash it .. it remain stable for some time.. and then after few mins .. all I/O messages in dmesg | 23:55 |
| UberNeo | any way to run MAEMO from SD card .. as we used to run Debian from SD card on Neo | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | theoretically possible, with small tweaks in initscripts | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui this was "normal" on diablo/N8x0 | 23:58 |
| UberNeo | any pointers for doing this .. and wht version of Uboot will be required | 23:58 |
| NIN101 | and with a different kernel configuration | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, meego uboot will load the /boot/vmlinuz kernel from uSD, no matter if that's the meego kernel/rootfs or the maemo rootfs with a kernel image created by some other means | 23:59 |
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