IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-10-22

madkickersi have installed tor on my cell phone but it seems that only enabling it doesn't make it to work. what should i do to prepare applications to use tor?00:00
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psycho_oreosnfi, I never used tor status applet even though I have it installed, I thought it was to make you device into a tor router not as a tor client00:17
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jesuschristanyone got a n9?01:19
OkropNicko my god! :D01:19
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psycho_oreosnot I01:22
psycho_oreosyou may find more N9 owners in #harmattan though01:22
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jesuschristim there01:23
jesuschristnoone is replying01:23
psycho_oreosmaybe bad timing, you may need to wait, or you can try asking what you want out of N9 from N9 owners from tmo01:24
jesuschristi just want to know01:24
jesuschristwhere the hell did they get theirs01:24
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jesuschristand how much they paied for01:25
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psycho_oreosN9 varies in price by the internal capacities01:26
psycho_oreosand I'm sure online shop or visiting another country could allow one to obtain it01:26
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jesuschristobviously avoiding flying to other countries AND out-of-mind prices01:27
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psycho_oreoswell online retailers maybe your only choice then.. or if you have a mate/friend who might be able to get it for you elsewhere01:29
jesuschristactually ive visited the forum01:30
jesuschristand found a user organizing a community purchase01:30
jesuschristthats the reason im here01:30
psycho_oreosyeah I don't know if that's going to happen (if ever)01:30
jesuschristhmm he succeded buying some from dubai01:30
jesuschristat least that is what is written01:31
jesuschristat a reasonable price i mean01:31
psycho_oreossome users posted themselves in group purchasing (depending on locality) and asking if anyone else wants to have one whilst this person is on overseas trip01:31
jesuschristin switzerland they sell it for 450 euro01:31
psycho_oreosthink I came across that dubai bit, that was with 16GB internal storage iinm, heh lowest of the N9 form01:32
jesuschristyeah that is what im searching anyway01:32
jesuschristthe 16gb01:32
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psycho_oreospersonally I'd get the 64GB, but I'm lucky to be in one of the countries where its not `blacklisted'01:35
jesuschristwhere are you from01:35
jesuschristand what do you need all that amount of space anyway01:35
DrGrovFinland anyone? There should be quite good availability of N9's here of what I have heard. Not 100% sure though how many pre orders have been made.01:36
DrGrovBut talking with operator people it seems like they have ordered quite good stocks of it.01:36
psycho_oreosAustralia, and I can use the space for other platforms/music, etc. Not to mention if the flash drive decides to die slowly, you'll see chunks of memory gets `rotten away'. With 16GB you get less playable space over years but 64GB may leave you a lot more01:37
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psycho_oreosplus not to mention that N9 doesn't come with expandable storage so really 64GB makes sense to me at any rate01:38
jesuschristi thought the n9 had a microsd slot01:38
jesuschristive checked the aussie sites but it seems noone ships oversea01:38
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DrGrovHas anyone tested the N9 live? How does it feel?01:39
psycho_oreosyeah I don't think they would apart from fleabay (ebay)01:39
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DrGrovIs it worth the money?01:39
psycho_oreosThere's a few tmo threads about N901:39
jesuschristseems a decent device01:39
psycho_oreosit looks nice but honestly I'm annoyed that it doesn't come with hardware keyboard and expandable storage. So really the only other thing that comes close is the N950 minus expandable storage, NFC (which I don't need), etc01:40
jesuschristcheapest n9 64gb i can find is 540 euro01:40
jesuschristversus the 16gb 45001:40
jesuschristthe n95001:41
DrGrovI must head into town tomorrow to get a feel of it01:41
jesuschristyou cant buy it, right ?01:42
psycho_oreosyeah the N950 isn't available publicly and it comes with only 16GB01:42
psycho_oreoswell the latter form does, the earlier form was rumoured to have either 32GB or 64GB internally01:42
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psycho_oreosN950 is restricted in several other forms, like 512MB RAM as opposed to 1GB RAM, and who knows if N950 supports pentaband like N9 (I personally don't own N950 myself but would love to get a genuine one)01:44
jesuschristseems a decent price too01:44
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psycho_oreosI don't think that's a genuine N95001:45
jesuschristsays meego 1.201:45
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psycho_oreosthe design looks like a latter form, which is supposed to have 16GB internal storage (as opposed to advertised 8GB), which has 8MP camera (as opposed to advertised 12MP), and I doubt the form factor for N950 is candy bar01:46
psycho_oreosthere's lots of scammers selling N950, I'd be weary personally01:46
jesuschristthe site defintly01:47
jesuschristdoesnt seem ahem01:47
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jesuschristhow did someone get01:48
jesuschrista n950 ?01:48
psycho_oreosand there's only one picture, hard to say if its the real deal or not01:48
psycho_oreosthey have to either be a nokia forum champion, developed Qt apps freely (only 300 developers were selected from the community, that applied their interest in porting their programs to Qt) or developed Qt for commercial programs01:49
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jesuschristso there are 300 n950 out there ?01:50
psycho_oreosI think N950 was freely handed out at a function in Finland at one stage, not too sure what the purpose of the function was01:51
psycho_oreosno, alot more than that.. I'm guessing somewhere around 1000 but there's no actual figures01:51
jesuschristseems quite bette rthan n901:51
jesuschristhas also microsd support01:51
psycho_oreosapparently some N950 owners told me it doesn't have microsd support01:52
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jesuschristi checked a video01:52
psycho_oreosand we're talking about the latter form01:52
jesuschristmaybe i misunderstood what i saw in a video on a n95001:53
jesuschristjust seen it01:53
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psycho_oreoswell I personally don't own N950 so the only thing I can go by is what owners say and pictures01:53
jesuschristthey also sell on ebay01:54
jesuschristsd for the n950 -_-01:54
jesuschristwell who cares, couldnt get one anyway01:54
psycho_oreosactually there was a few videos of N950 floating around, apparently youtube videos but I don't recall seeing N950 actually sported a microsd slot01:54
jesuschristill show the video ive seen01:55
psycho_oreosheh that N950 for sell on ebay was a scam, there was a tmo thread about it01:55
jesuschristno actually01:55
jesuschristim talking about sd01:55
jesuschristnot the phone itseld01:55
psycho_oreosahh ok, well the seller is probably either a scammer or clueles01:55
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: ahh ok, well the seller is probably either a scammer or clueless01:55
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jesuschristisnt that a sd slot ?01:57
psycho_oreosdon't know and doubt it, if lets say that is a microsd slot, where does the sim card go? or micro sim?01:59
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jesuschristi dont think thats the sim slot02:01
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psycho_oreosthat is the sim slot, I just checked the manual from fcc page:
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psycho_oreosI don't see what's funny about that02:07
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jesuschristneither i02:09
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jesuschristanyway, how to get one from malaysia02:10
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psycho_oreoslike I said, from ebay or from someone who either resides there or visits there02:11
jesuschristdo you have a n900 psycho ?02:12
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psycho_oreosyes, 302:12
jesuschrist3 ? wow02:12
jesuschristwhy 3 ?02:12
psycho_oreosin case if one of them dies, I still have the other, for testing, for alarm clocks, for development, etc02:13
jesuschristoh you are a developer?02:13
jesuschristwhy didnt you apply for the 95002:13
psycho_oreosI did but wasn't shortlisted02:14
jesuschristoh darn02:14
jesuschristwhat do you think about the n9 anyway and meego future ?02:14
psycho_oreosthough I don't program stuff that is of big deal, I just do improvements on other people's projects and also doing my own modding02:14
psycho_oreoswell N9 is the only choice I guess, meego is probably going to die hardware-wise (as it will lack manufacturer support)02:15
psycho_oreosit'll probably become entities like shr and openmoko02:15
jesuschristtheres noone else beside nokia?02:16
ShadowJKAnd then we can argue about whether harmattan can be called meego or not02:16
psycho_oreosintel and nokia were the founders of meego, there's no other manufacturers supporting meego.. there was a rumoured fujitsu netbook? I guess that somewhat died02:17
jesuschristi think its time for intel to make a i7 mobile phone02:18
jesuschristwith meego and an autonomy of 3 minutes02:18
ShadowJKthere's an atom phone02:19
ShadowJKbut it's limited availability and costly02:19
psycho_oreosheh a pocket warmer that'll last for maybe 1 hour tops with a humongous battery that makes the phone look more like a brick than a phone02:19
psycho_oreosyeah its based on intel moorestown02:19
jesuschristlasts a day ?02:20
psycho_oreosI was referring to your comment on intel should make i7 powered phone02:20
jesuschristi know02:20
jesuschristbbut im refering to the aava phone02:20
psycho_oreosin fact I would be surprised to see if ever intel decides to manufacture things apart from just chipsets and boards02:21
ShadowJKtheir boards are manufactured by foxconn02:21
jesuschristintel maks also ssds :>02:21
psycho_oreosSSD = chips02:21
ShadowJKiirc, Aava was financed by Intel02:21
psycho_oreoskeyword: was02:22
psycho_oreoserr financed02:22
ShadowJKpsycho_oreos, well... Intel did revolutionize the SSD segment by creating a controller that didn't suck. They kept the controller to themselves, but I guess sandforce has some sort of leap on them now02:22
psycho_oreosi.e. intel doesn't manufacture the whole device themselves, they may make portion of it and that's it02:22
jesuschristi thought the controller on intel ssds was marvel not intel02:23
ShadowJKAnd the thing that makes controller not suck is the software algorithm in it :-)02:23
ShadowJKYeah on the newer cheap ones02:23
ShadowJKit's marvell02:23
psycho_oreosShadowJK, still it doesn't make intel the fact that it has created a whole device :) just a portion of what would seem to be part of the epic monolith02:24
Maceri am still looking for a compatible charging pad02:24
Macerfor an n90002:24
Macerthe duracell mygrid looks the most promising02:24
Macerwith its universal clip02:24
Maceri want to avoid touching the usb port at all costs lol. i wil wifi everything for data and use a charging pad for power :-)02:25
ShadowJKMacer, this looks like a very quick wireless charger02:27
jesuschristanyway im not so sure now to get a n902:28
jesuschristits expensive with tragic destiny towards his feet plus its hard to get one02:28
* ShadowJK has two N900 :D02:29
jesuschristill buy a white iphone 4s what do you think guys ?02:29
jesuschristguys ?02:30
ShadowJKI think you should get whatever phone works best for you02:30
psycho_oreosbuy whatever makes you happy02:30
ShadowJKIf iphone has everything you need, go for it02:30
ShadowJKIf a samsung bada has all you need, go for it02:30
jesuschristits magical02:31
jesuschristanyway i expected some rage02:31
jesuschristno rage for me ? :(02:31
jesuschristthen ill really get one02:31
psycho_oreoswe're all mature enough to not rant for being fanboyish :þ02:31
Maceris this a quest for snm? :)02:31
ShadowJKI love my N900, I have doubts about N9, but everything else looks worse, so I don't know what to do except stay with N900?02:32
Macershadow. i am on my lame g2 now in a term02:32
Macerno url detection02:32
jesuschristi ended up looking for n9 searching for a qwerty android phone02:32
Maceranother thing i seriously miss about my n90002:32
ShadowJKg2? is that ... htc desire in google brand?02:32
ShadowJKN9 isn't qwerty btw02:32
jesuschristi know02:32
Macerhtc vision in tmobile brand02:33
psycho_oreosI'll have N900 and possibly N9.. when they all die I'll switch across to android platform or hopefully there will be a better player on the market with more open linux core like maemo/meego does02:33
jesuschristbut i really like the design plus maemo02:33
Macerit is a pos02:33
ShadowJKIf I could find a non-sucky android in qwerty, that would probably be my next phone. Unless they decide to sell N950, in which case I'd get that. heh.02:33
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: for me N900 is the most maintainable and mature system available for now, and it offers all I need to get happy with it for the foreseeable future02:33
Macerisnt a droid qwerty?02:33
psycho_oreosno droid comes in various form factors02:34
DocScrutinizersee "non-sucky" :-D02:34
Macerthis g2 has a qwerty but it is a flimsy piece of crap02:34
ShadowJKAlso, motorola is hard to get02:34
jesuschristactually qwerty android are few02:34
Macermy "zhinge" cable wore out02:34
jesuschristtheres the htc desire z02:35
ShadowJKonly I found was some S3C64xx Samsung, and some crappy Sony-ericsson02:35
Macerso when i open it tue video messes up :)02:35
ShadowJKI already have a S3C* device, it's enough02:35
Macerjesus.. that is a vision02:35
psycho_oreosI'll be looking at a qwerty based android device myself too after N900/N902:35
jesuschristim actually thinking about the crappy sony ericsson02:35
psycho_oreoseww sory ericsson02:35
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: (S3C*) HEHEHE02:35
Macertmobile g2/ htc desire z / htc vision02:35
jesuschristits cheap, has a keyboard and decent hardware02:35
Macerit sucks02:35
ShadowJKjesuschrist, iirc when I looked it was 320x240 screen...02:36
Macerit is a made in taiwan flimsy piece of overpriced garbage02:36
Macerslave labor and cheap parts at its best02:36
jesuschristShadowJK : they upgraded the model, some months ago02:36
psycho_oreosI'd never buy a sory product that is capable of storing/recording any sort of medium02:36
jesuschristMacer : arent they all made by slaves ?02:36
psycho_oreosMacer, you got that wrong, Made in China is where there's cheap labour and parts02:36
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Macerfair point02:36
Macerbut these must have been the suicidal ones02:37
Macerpsycho... :) taiwan is china!!02:37
psycho_oreosMacer that's like saying US is UK02:37
Macernot really02:37
Macerthe uk isnt saying the us is part of the kingdom anymore02:38
psycho_oreosindeed not really, the same goes with Taiwan vs China02:38
psycho_oreosMacer, to your simple analogy of Taiwan vs China is much the same02:38
jesuschristShadowJK :
jesuschristthey got better resolution now02:38
Macerpsycho.. i think it is similar to saying an indian reservation isnt on american soil?02:39
Macerbad one too.02:39
ShadowJKnot N9+keyb, but close02:39
Maceraccording to china taiwan is part of china. their slavery is just as strong02:39
jesuschristwell still it has qwerty02:40
Maceri personally love the n900 qwerty02:40
Macerit has arrows :)02:41
jesuschristi have a e7102:41
Macerdo they even sell n9s?02:41
psycho_oreosMacer, no your analogy of indian reservation on american soil isn't related, and yes accordiing to china, taiwan and many other neighbouring countries is China, even they would dare to consider US as part of theirs afterall they bought US currency02:41
Maceronly place ive sen them had a retarded price tag02:41
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: Macer, no your analogy of indian reservation on american soil isn't related, and yes according to china, taiwan and many other neighbouring countries is China, even they would dare to consider US as part of theirs afterall they bought US currency02:41
jesuschristaustralia is a british colony, period.02:42
Macerpsychos uhm... ok?02:42
psycho_oreosit probably won't be soon, the old prime minister one stage declared independence from the monarchy and was granted02:42
Maceri think it goes a bit deeper than that but alrighty02:42
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psycho_oreosMacer, in other words, don't mess with someone whose motherland is Taiwan :)02:43
jesuschristyou still have queen betty II as head of state ?02:43
psycho_oreosjesuschrist, doubt it02:43
jesuschristwiki says so02:43
Macerlets see what happens when taiwan declqres independence :)02:43
psycho_oreoswiki who?02:44
jesuschristMr Pedia Wiki02:44
psycho_oreosMacer, that's when world war III happens :)02:44
ShadowJKI think it was the other way around02:44
ShadowJKPRC declared independence from ROC ;-)02:45
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psycho_oreosjesuschrist, ahh well, I guess not for long, I'm sure Australia is free mostly from the monarchy, but it still remains as part of the commonwealth02:45
Macerironic isnt it?02:45
ShadowJKAnd at some point ROC's seat at the UN was silently handed over to PRC02:45
Macershadow.. when they realized they could use china to make walmart?02:45
ShadowJKyeah maybe02:46
psycho_oreosI think ROC was never given the right to be part of UN, in fact because UN doesn't recognise ROC's independence and because of PRC's fearful tactics lead to UN council electing PRC instead02:46
Macerbecause of walmart02:46
jesuschristpsycho_oreos : not for long ? are you planning a revolution against the brits ?02:46
psycho_oreosjesuschrist, I'm more happy to be a repulican myself :) though I'm sure we won't have to fight with blood these days02:47
Macercould you imagine what would happen if the chinese manufacturing machine shut down to the world?02:47
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: jesuschrist, I'm more happy to be a republican myself :) though I'm sure we won't have to fight with blood these days02:47
Macerit would be chaos02:47
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jesuschriststill has some romantic implications living in a monarchy02:47
jesuschristdragons, knights, sorcerers02:47
Macerentire trailer parks starving to death02:48
psycho_oreosexcept dragons and sorcerers are mythical entities02:48
ShadowJKwell, ROC was a member until a few years after they were confined to exist on a tiny island? :P02:48
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psycho_oreosI don't recall ROC was ever a member, PRC was constantly threatening ROC's `rogue-ness'02:48
psycho_oreosthough who knows, maybe the UN council was bribed and bought by China02:49
jesuschristhmm i just found another interesting android qwerty phone02:51
jesuschristlg optimus q202:51
ShadowJKROC was a member until 1971, when they were replaced by PRC :P02:51
psycho_oreoswell *shrugs* got me facts wrong but the point is still valid that PRC did make lots of threatening remarks to make ROC back off :P02:53
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DocScrutinizerlemme tell you sth - I visited Taipei several times, and I assure you this is NOT "China" for any definition of the term used by us westerners02:56
jesuschristanyway communism is the way02:57
psycho_oreosthat's like saying you don't mind working for Apple02:58
DocScrutinizersure it's the way - - to *where*?02:58
psycho_oreosin fact I could somewhat dare to say China is kinda like a big Apple land02:58
jesuschristto free ourselves from capitalistic rule02:58
luojie-duneits a way to business corruption02:58
DocScrutinizerfoxcon for sure02:58
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luojie-duneonce all techniques are forced to be shared - like communism, its sign of corruption02:59
DocScrutinizerjesuschrist: errr, you are aware that communism as they spell it in China is more of a wild west capitalism like in the early USA right now?03:00
jesuschristim not talking about china03:00
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luojie-dunea Chinese.~03:00
luojie-dunenihau /so03:01
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jieroni men hao03:02
jesuschristi would say that china now is more like the begininng of the industrial revolution in europe03:02
jesuschristinstead of just "capitalism"03:02
psycho_oreosgotta love being a person with dual citizenship, patriotic to both countries03:03
DocScrutinizererr nope, not really. Europe was "civilized", China market is just corrupt03:03
jesuschristwell define civilized and define corruption03:03
DocScrutinizerhmm, ok. It's actually hard to compare03:04
psycho_oreosI think for someone whom has never visited China would never understand easily :)03:04
jesuschristits like saying you never played soccer so you cant judge a match03:04
jieromost chinese are sturggling for their lives03:05
jesuschristactually chineses work conditions resemble much what europe experienced during the 19th cent03:05
psycho_oreosnot quite03:06
DocScrutinizerbut in China it's backed up by a totalitarian government03:06
jesuschristhow so ?03:06
psycho_oreosthe fact that Chinese is being ripped off doesn't make it similar to Europe back in 19th century03:06
psycho_oreosgoogle search for foxconn workers03:07
jesuschristand ?03:07
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jesuschristever read dickens ?03:07
psycho_oreosyou tell me how was that ever similar to Europe back in 19th century03:07
psycho_oreosno, never heard03:07
jieroI don't want to refer to history, its new age.03:08
jesuschristfirst you must know how was europe back in the 19th cent03:08
psycho_oreosand wikipedia easily provides that03:08
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jesuschristso since you're reading the wiki page03:09
jesuschristyou still cant see similarities ?03:09
jierothe way value output and input have changed a lot over a century, imo.03:09
jesuschristsuper growth, urbanization, poor standard of living03:10
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jesuschristpsyc ?03:18
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UberNeoHi All .. I am trying to flash Meego on the internal flash EMMC of N900 .. but getting the error as "(UNKNOWN) [] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused"  ..03:25
UberNeo i knw its related to netcat .. as N900 is refusing the netcat connection "nc 500"  with the same error as  "(UNKNOWN) [] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused"03:25
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happybeei have installed some apps on my cell phone and now i see conversation doesn't work correctly.i cant open SMSes  and get accounts online,it says network error,elso creating a new account is imposible06:48
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happybeehow to start conversation in debuging mode?07:03
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Macerugh... i think this g2 has finally lost it08:45
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Macerthat was such a ghetto fix09:39
Maceri put super glue on the exposed  ribbon cable lmao09:40
Macerthis thing  is so jacked up still09:40
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ping11:21
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Trewaswhee, meespot for n9 is not actually half bad compared to any of the n900's spotify clients... and actually it is much better than n9's default player which is afaik unable to even show the queue13:13
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Macerthat was fking bs13:35
Macerthere is no way someone can bid that fast on ebay in 2 secs13:35
Macerthat stupid shit happens again i swear i'm cancelling my ebay acct13:35
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nid0got sniped?13:42
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x29aMacer: did you put in your personal maximum bid?13:43
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Macerx29a: yes and no13:49
Maceri would have gone higher if i had a chance13:49
Macerbut they waited til it was at 1s13:50
Maceror should i say13:50
Macerthe software they run waited until .5 secs13:50
Maceri am wondering if they try to get it during the delay for it to process the raise in bid13:50
x29aMacer: thats common practise, and thats how bidding works. if you had put in your absolute maximum, it could have worked or they were willing to bid more13:51
Maceri sometimes think the place selling the stuff just buys it back13:51
Macerbecause the bid is too low for the sale13:51
x29awith ebay sniping tools, many people get frustrated when they dont get the final bid, but then again, the other person put in more money, so thats only logical13:51
Macerand they didn't want to set a reserve13:51
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x29aMacer: no doubt, i think that happens a lot13:52
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Macerwell they want it to look like "someone" got it at an awesome price13:52
x29anothing you can do13:52
Macerbut in reality it is them just buying it back13:52
Macerthen they take the same item and throw it out there again13:52
x29awhat part do you critizise?13:53
Maceri'm going to bump it up a little more ... but if this happens again i will just buy one from amazon :)13:53
x29aif amazon has if for a comparable prize, dont even consider ebay13:53
Macerthey don't13:53
Maceri'm trying to ebay one for around 20013:53
Maceramazon only has NEW ones for 30013:54
Macerat the cheapest13:54
Macersome are like 400+13:54
nid0where are you? amazon uk has used ones from £15013:54
Maceri don't think there are any new ones for less than 350 on amazon13:55
x29aand you are looking for a new one at ebay for $200?13:55
Macerand i think that is overpriced for an n900 :) but it is a niche phone... so i can see how it has its worth13:56
Macerx29a: yeah lol... it's possible :)13:56
x29abut you do get where we are coming from, right?13:56
Maceri have gotten stuff from ebay that i was shocked over13:56
Maceryes heh13:56
x29agood luck though13:56
Macerif i don't win this one i will simply wait til next week and buy a full priced one from amazon for 300something13:57
Maceri honestly don't think ebay works anymore13:57
Macer:) if it isn't some sniping bot it is the company "buying back" their item13:57
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Macerthe really bad part is with my transformer shipped yesterday for RMA and my G2 on the brink of death... i'm close to having nothing :)14:05
Maceri should get an old G1 just to have a spare phoen lol14:05
Maceromg these people can not be real.. a new G2 is 199.. a new G1? 150? LOL!14:06
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Macerok.. i have to ask.. does nokia even truly sell an n9?14:07
Trewascertainly you can truly buy one :P14:10
Maceri only ask because amazon only has 1 USED for $800?14:11
Maceri don't see any major places that actually sell it14:11
Macerlike tigerdirect.. or newegg don't even have them listed14:11
Trewaswell apparently nokia does not want to sell them in US (and UK and germany and italy and spain and...)14:12
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Trewasbut here in the rest of the world they are available14:12
Macerasia? :)14:12
Trewasfinland, and rest of the scandinavia at least14:13
Macerwow that is rather stupid14:13
Maceron they are showing an e7?14:14
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nid0yer same problem in the uk, lots of places *did* have them for preorder but theyve been vanishing everywhere with nowhere actually selling them14:16
nid0theres pretty much only 1 retailer in the uk still saying itll get them, and theyre gonna be european versions with a uk adaptor separately14:16
Macerhas anybody actually seen one? :)14:16
Macermaybe they don't even really exist lol14:16
nid0I know someone whos seen and used lots, if that counts14:16
x29aits a hoax14:16
x29athe n9 actually is driven by windows phone 714:17
Macerwith meego splash screens? :)14:17
psycho_oreosthat's what you call W9, codenamed sea ray14:17
psycho_oreosand what fake terminal outputs?14:17
nid0it was quite disheartening being told by a friend who works at nokia research in london that they basically have piles of n9's and n950's sitting round the offices14:17
TrewasI actually have seen several, in addition to the one I own :P14:17
Maceri wouldn't mind getting an e7 or n8 if they were like $9914:17
Macerif it has gtalk i'm sold heh14:17
Macergtalk and tethering :)14:18
jacekowskiit can do tethering14:18
Macerno gtalk app?14:18
Maceri would think that would be built in14:18
psycho_oreosnid0, and your friend could have made a fortune selling genuine N950, alas its all Flop's bs that N950 will only be given to `chosen ones'14:18
Maceri don' tthink n950s exist either14:19
Macerthey are like magic pixies :)14:19
Trewasat least it keeps buggering me about google talk availability, if that is gtalk...14:19
MacerTrewas: on an n8 or e7?14:19
psycho_oreosnothing exist, nokia was just a figment of your imagination, this whole channel is a virtual channel of some bleak reality, you're not really alive either, you're dead14:19
Maceryou have one? :)14:19
Macerpsycho_oreos: it's like 6th sense :)14:20
MacerTrewas: ah... i was talking about an e7 or n814:20
psycho_oreosMacer, more like the matrix14:20
psycho_oreoswhen you take the blue pill14:20
x29aMacer: "i see dead phone projects"?14:20
Maceri'm shocked the e7 is so expensive14:20
Macerit's symbian isn't it?14:21
psycho_oreosits supposed to be a `flagship' device, how is it any better than N900 is really a laughable comment by nokia's so-called `talented' marketers14:21
Macerit looks like a nice phone14:21
Macerbut i can't see the new symbian being anything special14:22
Macerwell... newer :)14:22
psycho_oreosits not meant to be special, symbian and meego will now all fuel money for the upcoming mango, nobody at nokia will care about symbian and meego after that14:22
jacekowskiit's a very good phone14:22
Trewasat least e7 is not completely dead wrt. software updates and new apps, like n900 has been for the last year14:22
jacekowskiand symbian is still good OS14:23
Macerjacekowski: i didn't say it wasn't ;) i was just curious14:23
Macerit is being sold for ~$40014:23
Macerall the good nokia phones are too expensive nowadays14:23
psycho_oreosn900 was meant to be for a niche market and it was built accidentally by desperate brainless PR execs who couldn't stand nokia was bleeding red all over the annual incomes14:23
Macerand all the good ones are the discontinued ones :) or soon to be14:24
jacekowskiMacer: well, it's similiar to other phones14:24
jacekowskiMacer: iphone costs just as much14:24
Macerbut iphone has high demand14:24
Trewasnokia is selling e7 and n8 for about 300e which is ridiculously cheap for their flagship phones14:24
Maceras well as a very high supply14:24
psycho_oreossymbian's OS is just as good as current harmattan's stance for DRM shit all over as well as more application restrictions14:25
Macerhundai is making a $48,000 luxury car14:25
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Macerget my point? ;)14:25
Macerwho wants a hyundai flagship car?14:25
psycho_oreoshyundai mostly manufactures spineless cars14:25
Macerwhen you can get a better known car at the same price?14:26
Macernokia needs to realize they have gotten bitchslapped for the past 5 or so years and regroup14:26
Trewassgs2 is over 500e and iphones over 600e14:26
psycho_oreosthe problem is at nokia, they're trying to recoup their losses14:27
Maceris an sgs2 that expensive?14:27
x29ai want a real alternative to my G114:27
psycho_oreosall those money wasted on so called N9 and N950 but now all to focus on mango and forget about its past ties with open sourced community14:27
Macerso do i get an e7 with no future for 45014:28
Maceror an sgs2 for $100 more ? :)14:28
Macernokia should take e7s and sell them for $150 to get back in the game14:28
psycho_oreosobviously sgs2 but I'm not a fan on keyboard-less handheld devices let alone smartphone14:28
Maceryeah. i don't like non-qwerty phones either14:28
Macerwhich is why i got a g2/vision14:29
Macerand wow... htc makes the cheapest made phones ever14:29
psycho_oreosand e7 is just a poor comparison if there was an equivalent spec N900 (hardware-wise, and updated) compared against sgs2 I'd get N900 anyday14:29
Macermy g1 was bad enough.. but at least it survived.. this g2 is HORRIBLE14:29
Trewaswell the difference between e7 and sgs2 is 330 vs. 52014:29
psycho_oreosI thought huawei makes even more cheaper phone :þ14:29
Macernew they are 390+ on amazon14:30
Maceri wouldn't mind getting one but i wouldn't buy ti for that much14:30
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Macerwhen you can just throw in a little bit more and get a real phone from a company that isn't on the brink of going bankrupt :)14:31
Macerhow nokia is surviving is beyond me.. ms must be pumping them full of money14:31
psycho_oreosbreak your N900 and give it into nokia care, they'll throw you either a N8 or E7. If they throw you a N8, whinge and bitch like a little girl and they'll give you E7. Be happy.. the end14:31
TrewasMacer: euros (though the price includes 23% tax)14:31
Macerpsycho_oreos: my n900 was out of warranty :(14:32
Macerwhen the usb port fell off14:32
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Maceri wish i could have.. i'd have taken the e7 :)14:32
psycho_oreosMacer, shame, should have bought extra nokia warranty when you had the chance14:32
Macernot an n8 tho :/ i hate qwertyless ones14:32
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Trewasn900 can't be out of warranty yet, they started selling it under two years ago :P14:33
psycho_oreosits nokia, what do you expect?14:33
Macerpsycho_oreos: hey.. other than the usb port falling off.. which was totally unexpected...14:33
Macerit was in great shape :)14:33
psycho_oreosMacer, yup unexpected but now you can't get your own merry little E714:34
Macernot really. i tried to repair it so i am sure i voided the warranty14:35
Maceri wanted my n900!14:35
psycho_oreosyou didn't mention that before :þ14:35
Macersure i did14:35
Macera few hundred times ;)14:35
psycho_oreosno, you tried to repair wasn't mentioned in like over the period of 10 minutes14:35
Maceroh... you mean right now14:36
psycho_oreos10 minutes != right now14:36
Macerthe warranty must have been for only 1 year anyways... when i contacted them they told me that i would have to pay for the repair14:36
psycho_oreosin fact I should have mentioned 2 minutes, because 10 minutes was far too long anyways14:36
Macerdoesn't matter14:37
Maceri wouldn't mind an e7 tho. it looks like a nice phone14:37
Macernokia should drop the price of them down to 200 and try to compete again14:37
psycho_oreosthen again you pay for repair, you might pay for E7 brand new without anything else except for device. Think of it as a cheaper incentive to sell your N900 and trade it in for E714:37
Macerfair enough14:37
Macerbut i really do want my n900 :/ i miss it14:38
Macerespecially after using this crappy g2 for a few months14:38
psycho_oreosit sounds like you love E7 way more than your N90014:38
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WOLDRICHwhat's E7?14:38
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psycho_oreossome shitian powered nokia smartphone14:38
Macersymbian nokia phone14:39
WOLDRICH:( I thought it might have been the successor of the n90014:39
Macerpsycho_oreos: symbian is still good14:39
psycho_oreoswith qwerty keyboard, and dubbed as `flagship'14:39
Macermaybe someone here can get maemo on it14:39
MacerOR MEEGO!!14:39
* Macer hides and busts out laughing14:39
psycho_oreosWOLDRICH, if that were the case then Flop would be an oxymoron14:39
WOLDRICHheh, "With touch screen and QWERTY", like having QWERTY would be a good thing14:40
psycho_oreosMacer, so get rid of your N900 and get E7, win-win for you14:40
Macerqwerty is a good thing :-P14:40
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Maceri couldn't see the n900 not having a qwerty14:40
psycho_oreosand E7 wouldn't even be able to run maemo/meego with its puny hardware specs14:40
WOLDRICHMacer, I have dvorak!14:40
psycho_oreossome guy awhile back asked the same set of retarded questions of trying to flash his E7 with maemo images14:40
Macerthen remap it :-P14:41
Macerpuny specs?14:41
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Macerit is an n90014:41
psycho_oreosI'm talking about E7 with maemo OS14:42
Maceras am i14:42
Macerthe e7 is an n900 running symbian :-P14:42
psycho_oreosE7 has what... 333MHz processor? N900 has 600,14:42
Trewaswell e7/n8 is not that much behind n900, and in fact ahead of n9 in some respect (what video it can hw decoed)14:42
Macerthe hardware is about the same14:42
psycho_oreosthat's like saying a ford car is the same as a porsche14:43
Maceri would say other than the display being a llittle lower res then e7 is the same hardware as an n90014:43
psycho_oreosyeah about the same.. no its quite far off14:43
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Macerwith a slightly faster cpu14:43
psycho_oreosits more than just a faster CPU14:43
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psycho_oreosvisited gsmarena lately?14:43
Macerthe hardware specs are the same14:43
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Macer680Mhz/256MB Arm 1114:44
psycho_oreosif the hardware specs are the same why couldn't someone run other OS on it?14:44
psycho_oreosARM 11 != ARM OMAP14:44
Macerwhy does osx need hacking to run on anything other than apple hardware?14:44
psycho_oreosuhm ok I failed in clock rate on E7 but the specs still isn't the same14:45
psycho_oreosbecause you say hardware is the same when it isn't?14:46
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Macernot sure which type of arm it is using14:48
Macerthe n900 omap is shit nowadays anyways tho14:49
Macerall most places say are arm 11 680MHz14:50
Macerthat is a good compare between the e7 and n814:51
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psycho_oreosand how is OMAP shit?14:51
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ShadowJKThe E7 cpu is probably slower than N900 cpu15:00
ShadowJKIt's like the older N810/N800's ARM core, except clocked higher15:02
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* ShadowJK finds his silly benchmarks
ShadowJK"Sheevaplug has DOUBLE the clockspeed of N900, yet it's only 1.3 times as fast as N900." :)15:12
ShadowJKI had forgotten how close the atom and omap3 are at a work-per-clock basis in the OGR benchmark15:13
DocScrutinizeralso nice:
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DocScrutinizerI always get headache trying to joggle with ARMv7 ARM8 (cortex-)A8 and whatnot else15:19
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, need to ask you out of curiousity, its a little offtopic but where do you normally source RAM chip? not the RAM sticks but the actual RAM chip that sits on the RAM sticks?15:20
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DocScrutinizerI normally don't - EE != sourcing15:21
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DocScrutinizerwhen I need chips, digikey and mouser are frequently first addr15:22
psycho_oreosdamn :/ thought you happen to know of a few sellers that would, I do recall you had information on a specific N900 component and thought you might know of a few good places that sells IC and what not15:22
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psycho_oreoshmm I'll hit those up and see how far I go, thanks15:22
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DocScrutinizereven sometimes15:26
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, of all the links you posted I found hkinventory site has the component I want. I hate to ask you this but are you a member?15:59
psycho_oreos*nods* thanks15:59
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Macerto use gtalk on an e7 you need to use nimbuzz?18:19
Macerflagship huh? :)18:19
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kerio ;_;22:16
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doc|homekerio: good that they mention that it's already a dead platform :/22:21
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doc|homeit is a nice looking phone...22:23
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kerioit's incredibly cute :(22:32
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ShadowJKwhat does it say22:33
WOLDRICHif only it had a keyboard I'd bought it :(22:33
doc|homeWOLDRICH: that and you weren't buying a platform which is one foot in the grave22:33
WOLDRICHdear nokia wtf are you doing. nobody wants your stupid windows phones22:33
WOLDRICHdoc|home, I would have22:34
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WOLDRICHthat doesn't really matter for me22:34
doc|homeWOLDRICH: the n900 was enough risk for me22:34
WOLDRICHI want the hardware, I can do what I want with it :)22:34
doc|homeI've bought one dead-platform phone before and it sits on my desk unused because the software was utterly shit (openmoko)22:34
WOLDRICHcan you not use what you want on it?22:35
smharwhat is the deal with application is ? why are they not included in extra and testing?22:35
doc|homeit wasn't even functional as a phone22:35
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WOLDRICHneither is my n900 :D22:35
doc|homeo.O mine is22:35
WOLDRICHI run arch on it22:35
WOLDRICHI'm going to buy another one. Seeing as there doesn't seem to come anything better soon22:36
doc|homeI'm liking the galaxy nexus22:36
WOLDRICHI don't think I'd appreciate android22:36
doc|homebut not seeing enough of an advantage to actually spend money replacing my n900 just yet22:36
WOLDRICHthere's a bunch of bad design flaws with the n900, but the most irritating thing is dpkg, which I have to use if I want it to function as a phone22:37
doc|homeWOLDRICH: for me it's 60% hardware 30% software, 10% oh look-people actually create useful apps for it22:37
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WOLDRICHmeh. 'apps'22:37
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WOLDRICHI use what I use on my other computers on it, pretty much :(22:37
doc|homeyou say that, but I still don't have an mpd client on my n900 which I have working on my n800...22:37
WOLDRICHthere's a bunch of mpd clients22:38
doc|homein some other repos?22:38
WOLDRICHcutempc is one22:38
doc|homenot in the main one...22:38
doc|homeah, extra-devel repo22:38
doc|homeif I install it will shit break all over the place? Used to happen on my n80022:39
WOLDRICHI ported pimpd2 to it. Because I want the client to play the audio as well22:39
WOLDRICHit didn't for me22:39
WOLDRICHbut I didn't really like it. But that doesn't say much22:39
doc|homeok, will have to give it a go22:39
Siceloif u are careful with devel, u won't suffer harm22:40
WOLDRICHyeah. I've only made it unbootable 10-15 times or so, so no worries22:41
WOLDRICH(that might have been me trying to install everything and modify everything)22:41
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smharis there a plan to port maemo to N9?22:51
doc|hometo port a dead platform onto a phone to replace a dead platform? :)22:52
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smharmaemo and N900 maybe dead, but I am not planning to stop using them any time soon.22:54
doc|homeme neither, but it's a time vs worth thing :/22:54
smharfrankly speaking, I still do not see an alternative.22:55
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HRH_H_Crabsmhar: i agree.23:02
HRH_H_Crabi plan to buy another n900 as soon as i can.23:02
HRH_H_Crabthere is no alternative.23:02
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smharHRH_H_Crab, me too, just in case the hardware on the first one fails23:17
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smharthere are many apps still in dev and testing and need to go up to extra, why not make a campaign. better late than never23:29
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psycho_oreosthere was a tmo thread about it, but really not many programs still seem suitable to the end users who are just purely lazy to read the accompanying documentation at times23:44
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psycho_oreossmhar, also in regards to what you said earlier on any plans to port maemo to N9, the UI porting is in the works you might want to have a look at cordia.23:45
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doc|homesmhar: HRH_H_Crab the thing about buying hardware in case it fails is it might not fail for years, then the phone tech is so far behind :/23:47
HRH_H_Crabdoc|home: thats true23:49
HRH_H_Crabbut in some ways the n900 is already "far behind"23:50
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HRH_H_Crabthe question is will anyone ever make another phone which is also a decent palmtop linux computer?23:50
HRH_H_Crabi cant see it happening...23:50
doc|homewell, in general hardware yes, but not so much in the actual radio which is what I meant23:50
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doc|homeHRH_H_Crab: I bought the freerunner thinking the same thing, but that maxed out at 3g23:51
HRH_H_Crabwell, i don't think i really need more than 3g23:52
HRH_H_Crabor to put that another way,23:52
HRH_H_Crabid rather have a decent palmtop linux computer in my pocket which is limited at 3g23:52
HRH_H_Crabthan some tied down app store thing which can do 4g.23:53
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doc|homeagreed, which is why when I'm done android's going to be where I go :/23:54
HRH_H_Crabproblem with android,23:54
doc|homethe only thing missing is a top tier hardware keyboard device23:54
HRH_H_Crabon a lot of phones the hardware vendor has fucked with it a lot.23:54
doc|homethat's less and less the case now23:54
HRH_H_Crabi used an android phone /before/ i got the n900.23:54
HRH_H_Crabadmittedly it was a sony ericsson23:55
doc|homewell then yeah23:55
HRH_H_Crabbut i got so pissed off with it i sent it back in the cooling off period.23:55
doc|homeand provided you can root it it's supposedly not even all that necessary to use their version23:55
HRH_H_Crabthat experience has made me VERY wary of android.23:55
doc|homethings change23:55
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HRH_H_Crabwell i guess thats what i'll be hoping when i move from my current n900 to the hypothetical new one i plan to buy.23:56
HRH_H_Crabbecause like you say,23:56
HRH_H_Crabeven if google get their shit together and all my concerns about the os are removed,23:57
HRH_H_Crabthere still isnt any decent hardware!23:57
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psycho_oreoswell sgs2 is pretty decent if lets say it came with a qwerty keyboard and you can run maemo/meego on it :þ23:59
psycho_oreosand you can bitch and whine all you like at the alternatives but the truth is for the time being linux powered handheld devices remains bleak23:59

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