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| jesuschrist | anyone got a n9? | 01:19 |
| OkropNick | o my god! :D | 01:19 |
| jesuschrist | :| | 01:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol | 01:22 |
| psycho_oreos | not I | 01:22 |
| psycho_oreos | you may find more N9 owners in #harmattan though | 01:22 |
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| jesuschrist | im there | 01:23 |
| jesuschrist | noone is replying | 01:23 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe bad timing, you may need to wait, or you can try asking what you want out of N9 from N9 owners from tmo | 01:24 |
| jesuschrist | i just want to know | 01:24 |
| jesuschrist | where the hell did they get theirs | 01:24 |
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| jesuschrist | and how much they paied for | 01:25 |
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| psycho_oreos | N9 varies in price by the internal capacities | 01:26 |
| psycho_oreos | and I'm sure online shop or visiting another country could allow one to obtain it | 01:26 |
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| jesuschrist | obviously avoiding flying to other countries AND out-of-mind prices | 01:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | well online retailers maybe your only choice then.. or if you have a mate/friend who might be able to get it for you elsewhere | 01:29 |
| jesuschrist | actually ive visited the forum | 01:30 |
| jesuschrist | and found a user organizing a community purchase | 01:30 |
| jesuschrist | thats the reason im here | 01:30 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I don't know if that's going to happen (if ever) | 01:30 |
| jesuschrist | hmm he succeded buying some from dubai | 01:30 |
| jesuschrist | at least that is what is written | 01:31 |
| jesuschrist | at a reasonable price i mean | 01:31 |
| psycho_oreos | some users posted themselves in group purchasing (depending on locality) and asking if anyone else wants to have one whilst this person is on overseas trip | 01:31 |
| jesuschrist | in switzerland they sell it for 450 euro | 01:31 |
| jesuschrist | hmmm | 01:32 |
| psycho_oreos | think I came across that dubai bit, that was with 16GB internal storage iinm, heh lowest of the N9 form | 01:32 |
| jesuschrist | yeah that is what im searching anyway | 01:32 |
| jesuschrist | the 16gb | 01:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | personally I'd get the 64GB, but I'm lucky to be in one of the countries where its not `blacklisted' | 01:35 |
| jesuschrist | where are you from | 01:35 |
| jesuschrist | and what do you need all that amount of space anyway | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | Finland anyone? There should be quite good availability of N9's here of what I have heard. Not 100% sure though how many pre orders have been made. | 01:36 |
| DrGrov | But talking with operator people it seems like they have ordered quite good stocks of it. | 01:36 |
| psycho_oreos | Australia, and I can use the space for other platforms/music, etc. Not to mention if the flash drive decides to die slowly, you'll see chunks of memory gets `rotten away'. With 16GB you get less playable space over years but 64GB may leave you a lot more | 01:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | plus not to mention that N9 doesn't come with expandable storage so really 64GB makes sense to me at any rate | 01:38 |
| jesuschrist | i thought the n9 had a microsd slot | 01:38 |
| psycho_oreos | nope | 01:38 |
| jesuschrist | ive checked the aussie sites but it seems noone ships oversea | 01:38 |
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| DrGrov | Has anyone tested the N9 live? How does it feel? | 01:39 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I don't think they would apart from fleabay (ebay) | 01:39 |
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| DrGrov | Is it worth the money? | 01:39 |
| psycho_oreos | There's a few tmo threads about N9 | 01:39 |
| jesuschrist | seems a decent device | 01:39 |
| psycho_oreos | it looks nice but honestly I'm annoyed that it doesn't come with hardware keyboard and expandable storage. So really the only other thing that comes close is the N950 minus expandable storage, NFC (which I don't need), etc | 01:40 |
| jesuschrist | cheapest n9 64gb i can find is 540 euro | 01:40 |
| jesuschrist | versus the 16gb 450 | 01:40 |
| jesuschrist | the n950 | 01:41 |
| DrGrov | I must head into town tomorrow to get a feel of it | 01:41 |
| jesuschrist | you cant buy it, right ? | 01:42 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah the N950 isn't available publicly and it comes with only 16GB | 01:42 |
| psycho_oreos | well the latter form does, the earlier form was rumoured to have either 32GB or 64GB internally | 01:42 |
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| jesuschrist | :( | 01:43 |
| psycho_oreos | N950 is restricted in several other forms, like 512MB RAM as opposed to 1GB RAM, and who knows if N950 supports pentaband like N9 (I personally don't own N950 myself but would love to get a genuine one) | 01:44 |
| jesuschrist | http://www.vendio.com/stores/rivera1970/item?lid=19696039&source=Vendio:Google%20Product%20Search | 01:44 |
| jesuschrist | seems a decent price too | 01:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't think that's a genuine N950 | 01:45 |
| jesuschrist | says meego 1.2 | 01:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | the design looks like a latter form, which is supposed to have 16GB internal storage (as opposed to advertised 8GB), which has 8MP camera (as opposed to advertised 12MP), and I doubt the form factor for N950 is candy bar | 01:46 |
| psycho_oreos | there's lots of scammers selling N950, I'd be weary personally | 01:46 |
| jesuschrist | the site defintly | 01:47 |
| jesuschrist | doesnt seem ahem | 01:47 |
| jesuschrist | "secure" | 01:47 |
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| jesuschrist | how did someone get | 01:48 |
| jesuschrist | a n950 ? | 01:48 |
| psycho_oreos | and there's only one picture, hard to say if its the real deal or not | 01:48 |
| psycho_oreos | they have to either be a nokia forum champion, developed Qt apps freely (only 300 developers were selected from the community, that applied their interest in porting their programs to Qt) or developed Qt for commercial programs | 01:49 |
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| jesuschrist | so there are 300 n950 out there ? | 01:50 |
| psycho_oreos | I think N950 was freely handed out at a function in Finland at one stage, not too sure what the purpose of the function was | 01:51 |
| psycho_oreos | no, alot more than that.. I'm guessing somewhere around 1000 but there's no actual figures | 01:51 |
| jesuschrist | seems quite bette rthan n9 | 01:51 |
| jesuschrist | has also microsd support | 01:51 |
| jesuschrist | -_- | 01:51 |
| psycho_oreos | apparently some N950 owners told me it doesn't have microsd support | 01:52 |
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| jesuschrist | i checked a video | 01:52 |
| psycho_oreos | and we're talking about the latter form | 01:52 |
| psycho_oreos | video? | 01:52 |
| jesuschrist | maybe i misunderstood what i saw in a video on a n950 | 01:53 |
| jesuschrist | just seen it | 01:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | well I personally don't own N950 so the only thing I can go by is what owners say and pictures | 01:53 |
| jesuschrist | they also sell on ebay | 01:54 |
| jesuschrist | sd for the n950 -_- | 01:54 |
| jesuschrist | well who cares, couldnt get one anyway | 01:54 |
| psycho_oreos | actually there was a few videos of N950 floating around, apparently youtube videos but I don't recall seeing N950 actually sported a microsd slot | 01:54 |
| jesuschrist | ill show the video ive seen | 01:55 |
| psycho_oreos | heh that N950 for sell on ebay was a scam, there was a tmo thread about it | 01:55 |
| jesuschrist | no actually | 01:55 |
| jesuschrist | im talking about sd | 01:55 |
| jesuschrist | for | 01:55 |
| jesuschrist | n950 | 01:55 |
| jesuschrist | not the phone itseld | 01:55 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh ok, well the seller is probably either a scammer or clueles | 01:55 |
| psycho_oreos | s/clueles/clueless/ | 01:55 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: ahh ok, well the seller is probably either a scammer or clueless | 01:55 |
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| jesuschrist | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IR2zR2O8aLI#t=52s | 01:56 |
| jesuschrist | isnt that a sd slot ? | 01:57 |
| psycho_oreos | don't know and doubt it, if lets say that is a microsd slot, where does the sim card go? or micro sim? | 01:59 |
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| jesuschrist | i dont think thats the sim slot | 02:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | that is the sim slot, I just checked the manual from fcc page: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74326 | 02:05 |
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| jesuschrist | lol | 02:06 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't see what's funny about that | 02:07 |
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| jesuschrist | neither i | 02:09 |
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| jesuschrist | anyway, how to get one from malaysia | 02:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | like I said, from ebay or from someone who either resides there or visits there | 02:11 |
| jesuschrist | do you have a n900 psycho ? | 02:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | yes, 3 | 02:12 |
| jesuschrist | 3 ? wow | 02:12 |
| jesuschrist | why 3 ? | 02:12 |
| psycho_oreos | in case if one of them dies, I still have the other, for testing, for alarm clocks, for development, etc | 02:13 |
| jesuschrist | oh you are a developer? | 02:13 |
| jesuschrist | why didnt you apply for the 950 | 02:13 |
| psycho_oreos | I did but wasn't shortlisted | 02:14 |
| jesuschrist | oh darn | 02:14 |
| jesuschrist | what do you think about the n9 anyway and meego future ? | 02:14 |
| x29a | lol | 02:14 |
| psycho_oreos | though I don't program stuff that is of big deal, I just do improvements on other people's projects and also doing my own modding | 02:14 |
| psycho_oreos | well N9 is the only choice I guess, meego is probably going to die hardware-wise (as it will lack manufacturer support) | 02:15 |
| psycho_oreos | it'll probably become entities like shr and openmoko | 02:15 |
| jesuschrist | theres noone else beside nokia? | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | And then we can argue about whether harmattan can be called meego or not | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 02:16 |
| psycho_oreos | intel and nokia were the founders of meego, there's no other manufacturers supporting meego.. there was a rumoured fujitsu netbook? I guess that somewhat died | 02:17 |
| jesuschrist | i think its time for intel to make a i7 mobile phone | 02:18 |
| jesuschrist | with meego and an autonomy of 3 minutes | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | there's an atom phone | 02:19 |
| jesuschrist | really? | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | but it's limited availability and costly | 02:19 |
| psycho_oreos | heh a pocket warmer that'll last for maybe 1 hour tops with a humongous battery that makes the phone look more like a brick than a phone | 02:19 |
| jesuschrist | name? | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | Aava | 02:19 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah its based on intel moorestown | 02:19 |
| jesuschrist | autonomy? | 02:20 |
| jesuschrist | lasts a day ? | 02:20 |
| psycho_oreos | I was referring to your comment on intel should make i7 powered phone | 02:20 |
| jesuschrist | i know | 02:20 |
| jesuschrist | bbut im refering to the aava phone | 02:20 |
| psycho_oreos | in fact I would be surprised to see if ever intel decides to manufacture things apart from just chipsets and boards | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | their boards are manufactured by foxconn | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | ;-) | 02:21 |
| jesuschrist | intel maks also ssds :> | 02:21 |
| psycho_oreos | SSD = chips | 02:21 |
| jesuschrist | s/maks/makes | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | iirc, Aava was financed by Intel | 02:21 |
| psycho_oreos | keyword: was | 02:22 |
| psycho_oreos | :) | 02:22 |
| psycho_oreos | err financed | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | psycho_oreos, well... Intel did revolutionize the SSD segment by creating a controller that didn't suck. They kept the controller to themselves, but I guess sandforce has some sort of leap on them now | 02:22 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. intel doesn't manufacture the whole device themselves, they may make portion of it and that's it | 02:22 |
| jesuschrist | i thought the controller on intel ssds was marvel not intel | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | And the thing that makes controller not suck is the software algorithm in it :-) | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah on the newer cheap ones | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | it's marvell | 02:23 |
| Macer | damn | 02:23 |
| psycho_oreos | ShadowJK, still it doesn't make intel the fact that it has created a whole device :) just a portion of what would seem to be part of the epic monolith | 02:24 |
| Macer | i am still looking for a compatible charging pad | 02:24 |
| Macer | for an n900 | 02:24 |
| Macer | the duracell mygrid looks the most promising | 02:24 |
| Macer | with its universal clip | 02:24 |
| Macer | i want to avoid touching the usb port at all costs lol. i wil wifi everything for data and use a charging pad for power :-) | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmyTeMUAf0E this looks like a very quick wireless charger | 02:27 |
| jesuschrist | anyway im not so sure now to get a n9 | 02:28 |
| jesuschrist | its expensive with tragic destiny towards his feet plus its hard to get one | 02:28 |
| * ShadowJK has two N900 :D | 02:29 | |
| jesuschrist | ill buy a white iphone 4s what do you think guys ? | 02:29 |
| jesuschrist | guys ? | 02:30 |
| ShadowJK | I think you should get whatever phone works best for you | 02:30 |
| psycho_oreos | buy whatever makes you happy | 02:30 |
| ShadowJK | If iphone has everything you need, go for it | 02:30 |
| ShadowJK | If a samsung bada has all you need, go for it | 02:30 |
| jesuschrist | its magical | 02:31 |
| jesuschrist | really | 02:31 |
| jesuschrist | anyway i expected some rage | 02:31 |
| jesuschrist | no rage for me ? :( | 02:31 |
| Macer | er | 02:31 |
| jesuschrist | then ill really get one | 02:31 |
| psycho_oreos | we're all mature enough to not rant for being fanboyish :รพ | 02:31 |
| Macer | is this a quest for snm? :) | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK | I love my N900, I have doubts about N9, but everything else looks worse, so I don't know what to do except stay with N900? | 02:32 |
| Macer | shadow. i am on my lame g2 now in a term | 02:32 |
| Macer | no url detection | 02:32 |
| jesuschrist | i ended up looking for n9 searching for a qwerty android phone | 02:32 |
| Macer | another thing i seriously miss about my n900 | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | g2? is that ... htc desire in google brand? | 02:32 |
| Macer | no | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | N9 isn't qwerty btw | 02:32 |
| jesuschrist | i know | 02:32 |
| Macer | htc vision in tmobile brand | 02:33 |
| psycho_oreos | I'll have N900 and possibly N9.. when they all die I'll switch across to android platform or hopefully there will be a better player on the market with more open linux core like maemo/meego does | 02:33 |
| jesuschrist | but i really like the design plus maemo | 02:33 |
| Macer | it is a pos | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | If I could find a non-sucky android in qwerty, that would probably be my next phone. Unless they decide to sell N950, in which case I'd get that. heh. | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: for me N900 is the most maintainable and mature system available for now, and it offers all I need to get happy with it for the foreseeable future | 02:33 |
| Macer | isnt a droid qwerty? | 02:33 |
| psycho_oreos | no droid comes in various form factors | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | see "non-sucky" :-D | 02:34 |
| Macer | this g2 has a qwerty but it is a flimsy piece of crap | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | Also, motorola is hard to get | 02:34 |
| jesuschrist | actually qwerty android are few | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 02:34 |
| Macer | my "zhinge" cable wore out | 02:34 |
| jesuschrist | theres the htc desire z | 02:35 |
| ShadowJK | only I found was some S3C64xx Samsung, and some crappy Sony-ericsson | 02:35 |
| Macer | so when i open it tue video messes up :) | 02:35 |
| ShadowJK | I already have a S3C* device, it's enough | 02:35 |
| Macer | jesus.. that is a vision | 02:35 |
| psycho_oreos | I'll be looking at a qwerty based android device myself too after N900/N9 | 02:35 |
| jesuschrist | im actually thinking about the crappy sony ericsson | 02:35 |
| psycho_oreos | eww sory ericsson | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (S3C*) HEHEHE | 02:35 |
| Macer | tmobile g2/ htc desire z / htc vision | 02:35 |
| jesuschrist | its cheap, has a keyboard and decent hardware | 02:35 |
| Macer | it sucks | 02:35 |
| ShadowJK | jesuschrist, iirc when I looked it was 320x240 screen... | 02:36 |
| Macer | it is a made in taiwan flimsy piece of overpriced garbage | 02:36 |
| Macer | slave labor and cheap parts at its best | 02:36 |
| jesuschrist | ShadowJK : they upgraded the model, some months ago | 02:36 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd never buy a sory product that is capable of storing/recording any sort of medium | 02:36 |
| jesuschrist | Macer : arent they all made by slaves ? | 02:36 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, you got that wrong, Made in China is where there's cheap labour and parts | 02:36 |
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| Macer | fair point | 02:36 |
| Macer | but these must have been the suicidal ones | 02:37 |
| Macer | psycho... :) taiwan is china!! | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 02:37 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer that's like saying US is UK | 02:37 |
| Macer | reunification!! | 02:37 |
| Macer | not really | 02:37 |
| Macer | the uk isnt saying the us is part of the kingdom anymore | 02:38 |
| psycho_oreos | indeed not really, the same goes with Taiwan vs China | 02:38 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, to your simple analogy of Taiwan vs China is much the same | 02:38 |
| jesuschrist | ShadowJK : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_Pro | 02:38 |
| jesuschrist | they got better resolution now | 02:38 |
| Macer | psycho.. i think it is similar to saying an indian reservation isnt on american soil? | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | mmm | 02:39 |
| Macer | bad one too. | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | not N9+keyb, but close | 02:39 |
| Macer | according to china taiwan is part of china. their slavery is just as strong | 02:39 |
| Macer | :) | 02:39 |
| jesuschrist | well still it has qwerty | 02:40 |
| Macer | i personally love the n900 qwerty | 02:40 |
| Macer | it has arrows :) | 02:41 |
| jesuschrist | i have a e71 | 02:41 |
| Macer | do they even sell n9s? | 02:41 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, no your analogy of indian reservation on american soil isn't related, and yes accordiing to china, taiwan and many other neighbouring countries is China, even they would dare to consider US as part of theirs afterall they bought US currency | 02:41 |
| Macer | only place ive sen them had a retarded price tag | 02:41 |
| psycho_oreos | s/accordiing/according/ | 02:41 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: Macer, no your analogy of indian reservation on american soil isn't related, and yes according to china, taiwan and many other neighbouring countries is China, even they would dare to consider US as part of theirs afterall they bought US currency | 02:41 |
| jesuschrist | australia is a british colony, period. | 02:42 |
| Macer | psychos uhm... ok? | 02:42 |
| psycho_oreos | it probably won't be soon, the old prime minister one stage declared independence from the monarchy and was granted | 02:42 |
| Macer | i think it goes a bit deeper than that but alrighty | 02:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | Macer, in other words, don't mess with someone whose motherland is Taiwan :) | 02:43 |
| jesuschrist | you still have queen betty II as head of state ? | 02:43 |
| psycho_oreos | jesuschrist, doubt it | 02:43 |
| jesuschrist | wiki says so | 02:43 |
| Macer | lets see what happens when taiwan declqres independence :) | 02:43 |
| Macer | declares | 02:44 |
| psycho_oreos | wiki who? | 02:44 |
| jesuschrist | Mr Pedia Wiki | 02:44 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, that's when world war III happens :) | 02:44 |
| Macer | yup | 02:44 |
| Macer | lol | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | I think it was the other way around | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | PRC declared independence from ROC ;-) | 02:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | jesuschrist, ahh well, I guess not for long, I'm sure Australia is free mostly from the monarchy, but it still remains as part of the commonwealth | 02:45 |
| Macer | ironic isnt it? | 02:45 |
| Macer | lol | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | And at some point ROC's seat at the UN was silently handed over to PRC | 02:45 |
| Macer | shadow.. when they realized they could use china to make walmart? | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | yeah maybe | 02:46 |
| psycho_oreos | I think ROC was never given the right to be part of UN, in fact because UN doesn't recognise ROC's independence and because of PRC's fearful tactics lead to UN council electing PRC instead | 02:46 |
| Macer | because of walmart | 02:46 |
| Macer | :) | 02:46 |
| jesuschrist | psycho_oreos : not for long ? are you planning a revolution against the brits ? | 02:46 |
| psycho_oreos | jesuschrist, I'm more happy to be a repulican myself :) though I'm sure we won't have to fight with blood these days | 02:47 |
| Macer | could you imagine what would happen if the chinese manufacturing machine shut down to the world? | 02:47 |
| psycho_oreos | s/repulican/republican/ | 02:47 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: jesuschrist, I'm more happy to be a republican myself :) though I'm sure we won't have to fight with blood these days | 02:47 |
| Macer | it would be chaos | 02:47 |
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| jesuschrist | still has some romantic implications living in a monarchy | 02:47 |
| jesuschrist | dragons, knights, sorcerers | 02:47 |
| Macer | entire trailer parks starving to death | 02:48 |
| psycho_oreos | except dragons and sorcerers are mythical entities | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | well, ROC was a member until a few years after they were confined to exist on a tiny island? :P | 02:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't recall ROC was ever a member, PRC was constantly threatening ROC's `rogue-ness' | 02:48 |
| psycho_oreos | though who knows, maybe the UN council was bribed and bought by China | 02:49 |
| jesuschrist | hmm i just found another interesting android qwerty phone | 02:51 |
| jesuschrist | lg optimus q2 | 02:51 |
| ShadowJK | ROC was a member until 1971, when they were replaced by PRC :P | 02:51 |
| psycho_oreos | well *shrugs* got me facts wrong but the point is still valid that PRC did make lots of threatening remarks to make ROC back off :P | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme tell you sth - I visited Taipei several times, and I assure you this is NOT "China" for any definition of the term used by us westerners | 02:56 |
| jesuschrist | anyway communism is the way | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 02:57 |
| jesuschrist | :D | 02:57 |
| psycho_oreos | that's like saying you don't mind working for Apple | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it's the way - - to *where*? | 02:58 |
| psycho_oreos | in fact I could somewhat dare to say China is kinda like a big Apple land | 02:58 |
| jesuschrist | to free ourselves from capitalistic rule | 02:58 |
| luojie-dune | its a way to business corruption | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | foxcon for sure | 02:58 |
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| luojie-dune | once all techniques are forced to be shared - like communism, its sign of corruption | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jesuschrist: errr, you are aware that communism as they spell it in China is more of a wild west capitalism like in the early USA right now? | 03:00 |
| jesuschrist | im not talking about china | 03:00 |
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| luojie-dune | me | 03:00 |
| luojie-dune | a Chinese.~ | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nihau | 03:00 |
| psycho_oreos | s/nihau/nihao/ | 03:01 |
| luojie-dune | nihau /so | 03:01 |
| psycho_oreos | :) | 03:01 |
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| jiero | ni men hao | 03:02 |
| jesuschrist | i would say that china now is more like the begininng of the industrial revolution in europe | 03:02 |
| jesuschrist | instead of just "capitalism" | 03:02 |
| psycho_oreos | gotta love being a person with dual citizenship, patriotic to both countries | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | err nope, not really. Europe was "civilized", China market is just corrupt | 03:03 |
| jesuschrist | well define civilized and define corruption | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok. It's actually hard to compare | 03:04 |
| psycho_oreos | I think for someone whom has never visited China would never understand easily :) | 03:04 |
| jesuschrist | its like saying you never played soccer so you cant judge a match | 03:04 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 03:05 |
| jiero | most chinese are sturggling for their lives | 03:05 |
| jesuschrist | actually chineses work conditions resemble much what europe experienced during the 19th cent | 03:05 |
| psycho_oreos | not quite | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but in China it's backed up by a totalitarian government | 03:06 |
| jesuschrist | how so ? | 03:06 |
| psycho_oreos | the fact that Chinese is being ripped off doesn't make it similar to Europe back in 19th century | 03:06 |
| jesuschrist | explain | 03:06 |
| psycho_oreos | google search for foxconn workers | 03:07 |
| jesuschrist | and ? | 03:07 |
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| jesuschrist | ever read dickens ? | 03:07 |
| psycho_oreos | you tell me how was that ever similar to Europe back in 19th century | 03:07 |
| psycho_oreos | no, never heard | 03:07 |
| jiero | I don't want to refer to history, its new age. | 03:08 |
| jesuschrist | first you must know how was europe back in the 19th cent | 03:08 |
| psycho_oreos | and wikipedia easily provides that | 03:08 |
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| jesuschrist | so since you're reading the wiki page | 03:09 |
| jesuschrist | you still cant see similarities ? | 03:09 |
| jiero | the way value output and input have changed a lot over a century, imo. | 03:09 |
| jesuschrist | super growth, urbanization, poor standard of living | 03:10 |
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| UberNeo | Hi All .. I am trying to flash Meego on the internal flash EMMC of N900 .. but getting the error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused" .. | 03:25 |
| UberNeo | i knw its related to netcat .. as N900 is refusing the netcat connection "nc 192.168.2.15 500" with the same error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused" | 03:25 |
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| happybee | i have installed some apps on my cell phone and now i see conversation doesn't work correctly.i cant open SMSes and get accounts online,it says network error,elso creating a new account is imposible | 06:48 |
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| Macer | ugh... i think this g2 has finally lost it | 08:45 |
| Macer | blah | 08:45 |
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| Macer | that was such a ghetto fix | 09:39 |
| Macer | i put super glue on the exposed ribbon cable lmao | 09:40 |
| Macer | this thing is so jacked up still | 09:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ping | 11:21 |
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| Trewas | whee, meespot for n9 is not actually half bad compared to any of the n900's spotify clients... and actually it is much better than n9's default player which is afaik unable to even show the queue | 13:13 |
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| Macer | ugh | 13:35 |
| Macer | that was fking bs | 13:35 |
| Macer | there is no way someone can bid that fast on ebay in 2 secs | 13:35 |
| Macer | that stupid shit happens again i swear i'm cancelling my ebay acct | 13:35 |
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| nid0 | got sniped? | 13:42 |
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| x29a | Macer: did you put in your personal maximum bid? | 13:43 |
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| Macer | x29a: yes and no | 13:49 |
| Macer | i would have gone higher if i had a chance | 13:49 |
| Macer | but they waited til it was at 1s | 13:50 |
| Macer | or should i say | 13:50 |
| Macer | the software they run waited until .5 secs | 13:50 |
| Macer | i am wondering if they try to get it during the delay for it to process the raise in bid | 13:50 |
| x29a | Macer: thats common practise, and thats how bidding works. if you had put in your absolute maximum, it could have worked or they were willing to bid more | 13:51 |
| Macer | i sometimes think the place selling the stuff just buys it back | 13:51 |
| Macer | because the bid is too low for the sale | 13:51 |
| x29a | with ebay sniping tools, many people get frustrated when they dont get the final bid, but then again, the other person put in more money, so thats only logical | 13:51 |
| Macer | and they didn't want to set a reserve | 13:51 |
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| x29a | Macer: no doubt, i think that happens a lot | 13:52 |
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| Macer | well they want it to look like "someone" got it at an awesome price | 13:52 |
| x29a | nothing you can do | 13:52 |
| Macer | but in reality it is them just buying it back | 13:52 |
| Macer | then they take the same item and throw it out there again | 13:52 |
| x29a | what part do you critizise? | 13:53 |
| Macer | i'm going to bump it up a little more ... but if this happens again i will just buy one from amazon :) | 13:53 |
| x29a | if amazon has if for a comparable prize, dont even consider ebay | 13:53 |
| Macer | they don't | 13:53 |
| Macer | lol | 13:53 |
| Macer | i'm trying to ebay one for around 200 | 13:53 |
| x29a | n900? | 13:53 |
| Macer | amazon only has NEW ones for 300 | 13:54 |
| Macer | at the cheapest | 13:54 |
| Macer | some are like 400+ | 13:54 |
| Macer | yes | 13:54 |
| nid0 | where are you? amazon uk has used ones from ยฃ150 | 13:54 |
| Macer | US | 13:54 |
| Macer | i don't think there are any new ones for less than 350 on amazon | 13:55 |
| x29a | and you are looking for a new one at ebay for $200? | 13:55 |
| Macer | and i think that is overpriced for an n900 :) but it is a niche phone... so i can see how it has its worth | 13:56 |
| Macer | x29a: yeah lol... it's possible :) | 13:56 |
| x29a | but you do get where we are coming from, right? | 13:56 |
| Macer | i have gotten stuff from ebay that i was shocked over | 13:56 |
| Macer | yes heh | 13:56 |
| x29a | good luck though | 13:56 |
| Macer | if i don't win this one i will simply wait til next week and buy a full priced one from amazon for 300something | 13:57 |
| Macer | i honestly don't think ebay works anymore | 13:57 |
| Macer | :) if it isn't some sniping bot it is the company "buying back" their item | 13:57 |
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| Macer | the really bad part is with my transformer shipped yesterday for RMA and my G2 on the brink of death... i'm close to having nothing :) | 14:05 |
| Macer | i should get an old G1 just to have a spare phoen lol | 14:05 |
| Macer | omg these people can not be real.. a new G2 is 199.. a new G1? 150? LOL! | 14:06 |
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| Macer | ok.. i have to ask.. does nokia even truly sell an n9? | 14:07 |
| Trewas | certainly you can truly buy one :P | 14:10 |
| Macer | i only ask because amazon only has 1 USED for $800? | 14:11 |
| Macer | i don't see any major places that actually sell it | 14:11 |
| Macer | like tigerdirect.. or newegg don't even have them listed | 14:11 |
| Trewas | well apparently nokia does not want to sell them in US (and UK and germany and italy and spain and...) | 14:12 |
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| Macer | uhm | 14:12 |
| Trewas | but here in the rest of the world they are available | 14:12 |
| Macer | asia? :) | 14:12 |
| Trewas | finland, and rest of the scandinavia at least | 14:13 |
| Macer | wtf? | 14:13 |
| Macer | wow that is rather stupid | 14:13 |
| Macer | on nokiausa.com they are showing an e7? | 14:14 |
| Macer | sigh | 14:14 |
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| nid0 | yer same problem in the uk, lots of places *did* have them for preorder but theyve been vanishing everywhere with nowhere actually selling them | 14:16 |
| nid0 | theres pretty much only 1 retailer in the uk still saying itll get them, and theyre gonna be european versions with a uk adaptor separately | 14:16 |
| Macer | has anybody actually seen one? :) | 14:16 |
| Macer | maybe they don't even really exist lol | 14:16 |
| nid0 | I know someone whos seen and used lots, if that counts | 14:16 |
| x29a | its a hoax | 14:16 |
| x29a | the n9 actually is driven by windows phone 7 | 14:17 |
| Macer | hahaha | 14:17 |
| Macer | with meego splash screens? :) | 14:17 |
| psycho_oreos | that's what you call W9, codenamed sea ray | 14:17 |
| psycho_oreos | and what fake terminal outputs? | 14:17 |
| nid0 | it was quite disheartening being told by a friend who works at nokia research in london that they basically have piles of n9's and n950's sitting round the offices | 14:17 |
| Trewas | I actually have seen several, in addition to the one I own :P | 14:17 |
| Macer | i wouldn't mind getting an e7 or n8 if they were like $99 | 14:17 |
| Macer | if it has gtalk i'm sold heh | 14:17 |
| Macer | gtalk and tethering :) | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | it can do tethering | 14:18 |
| Macer | no gtalk app? | 14:18 |
| Macer | i would think that would be built in | 14:18 |
| psycho_oreos | nid0, and your friend could have made a fortune selling genuine N950, alas its all Flop's bs that N950 will only be given to `chosen ones' | 14:18 |
| Macer | i don' tthink n950s exist either | 14:19 |
| Macer | they are like magic pixies :) | 14:19 |
| Trewas | at least it keeps buggering me about google talk availability, if that is gtalk... | 14:19 |
| Macer | Trewas: on an n8 or e7? | 14:19 |
| Trewas | n9 | 14:19 |
| Macer | oh | 14:19 |
| psycho_oreos | nothing exist, nokia was just a figment of your imagination, this whole channel is a virtual channel of some bleak reality, you're not really alive either, you're dead | 14:19 |
| Macer | you have one? :) | 14:19 |
| Trewas | yeah | 14:19 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: it's like 6th sense :) | 14:20 |
| Macer | Trewas: ah... i was talking about an e7 or n8 | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, more like the matrix | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | when you take the blue pill | 14:20 |
| x29a | Macer: "i see dead phone projects"? | 14:20 |
| Macer | i'm shocked the e7 is so expensive | 14:20 |
| Macer | it's symbian isn't it? | 14:21 |
| psycho_oreos | yes | 14:21 |
| psycho_oreos | its supposed to be a `flagship' device, how is it any better than N900 is really a laughable comment by nokia's so-called `talented' marketers | 14:21 |
| Macer | it looks like a nice phone | 14:21 |
| Macer | but i can't see the new symbian being anything special | 14:22 |
| Macer | well... newer :) | 14:22 |
| psycho_oreos | its not meant to be special, symbian and meego will now all fuel money for the upcoming mango, nobody at nokia will care about symbian and meego after that | 14:22 |
| jacekowski | it's a very good phone | 14:22 |
| Trewas | at least e7 is not completely dead wrt. software updates and new apps, like n900 has been for the last year | 14:22 |
| jacekowski | and symbian is still good OS | 14:23 |
| Macer | jacekowski: i didn't say it wasn't ;) i was just curious | 14:23 |
| Macer | it is being sold for ~$400 | 14:23 |
| Macer | all the good nokia phones are too expensive nowadays | 14:23 |
| psycho_oreos | n900 was meant to be for a niche market and it was built accidentally by desperate brainless PR execs who couldn't stand nokia was bleeding red all over the annual incomes | 14:23 |
| Macer | and all the good ones are the discontinued ones :) or soon to be | 14:24 |
| jacekowski | Macer: well, it's similiar to other phones | 14:24 |
| jacekowski | Macer: iphone costs just as much | 14:24 |
| Macer | but iphone has high demand | 14:24 |
| Trewas | nokia is selling e7 and n8 for about 300e which is ridiculously cheap for their flagship phones | 14:24 |
| Macer | as well as a very high supply | 14:24 |
| psycho_oreos | symbian's OS is just as good as current harmattan's stance for DRM shit all over as well as more application restrictions | 14:25 |
| Macer | hundai is making a $48,000 luxury car | 14:25 |
| Macer | hyundai | 14:25 |
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| Macer | get my point? ;) | 14:25 |
| Macer | who wants a hyundai flagship car? | 14:25 |
| psycho_oreos | hyundai mostly manufactures spineless cars | 14:25 |
| Macer | when you can get a better known car at the same price? | 14:26 |
| Macer | nokia needs to realize they have gotten bitchslapped for the past 5 or so years and regroup | 14:26 |
| Trewas | sgs2 is over 500e and iphones over 600e | 14:26 |
| psycho_oreos | the problem is at nokia, they're trying to recoup their losses | 14:27 |
| Macer | is an sgs2 that expensive? | 14:27 |
| x29a | i want a real alternative to my G1 | 14:27 |
| psycho_oreos | all those money wasted on so called N9 and N950 but now all to focus on mango and forget about its past ties with open sourced community | 14:27 |
| Macer | so do i get an e7 with no future for 450 | 14:28 |
| Macer | or an sgs2 for $100 more ? :) | 14:28 |
| Macer | heh | 14:28 |
| Macer | nokia should take e7s and sell them for $150 to get back in the game | 14:28 |
| psycho_oreos | obviously sgs2 but I'm not a fan on keyboard-less handheld devices let alone smartphone | 14:28 |
| Macer | yeah. i don't like non-qwerty phones either | 14:28 |
| Macer | which is why i got a g2/vision | 14:29 |
| Macer | and wow... htc makes the cheapest made phones ever | 14:29 |
| psycho_oreos | and e7 is just a poor comparison if there was an equivalent spec N900 (hardware-wise, and updated) compared against sgs2 I'd get N900 anyday | 14:29 |
| Macer | my g1 was bad enough.. but at least it survived.. this g2 is HORRIBLE | 14:29 |
| Trewas | well the difference between e7 and sgs2 is 330 vs. 520 | 14:29 |
| Macer | 330? | 14:29 |
| psycho_oreos | I thought huawei makes even more cheaper phone :รพ | 14:29 |
| Macer | new? | 14:30 |
| Macer | :) | 14:30 |
| Macer | new they are 390+ on amazon | 14:30 |
| Macer | i wouldn't mind getting one but i wouldn't buy ti for that much | 14:30 |
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| Macer | when you can just throw in a little bit more and get a real phone from a company that isn't on the brink of going bankrupt :) | 14:31 |
| Macer | how nokia is surviving is beyond me.. ms must be pumping them full of money | 14:31 |
| psycho_oreos | break your N900 and give it into nokia care, they'll throw you either a N8 or E7. If they throw you a N8, whinge and bitch like a little girl and they'll give you E7. Be happy.. the end | 14:31 |
| Trewas | Macer: euros (though the price includes 23% tax) | 14:31 |
| Macer | LOL | 14:32 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: my n900 was out of warranty :( | 14:32 |
| Macer | when the usb port fell off | 14:32 |
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| Macer | i wish i could have.. i'd have taken the e7 :) | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, shame, should have bought extra nokia warranty when you had the chance | 14:32 |
| Macer | not an n8 tho :/ i hate qwertyless ones | 14:32 |
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| Trewas | n900 can't be out of warranty yet, they started selling it under two years ago :P | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | its nokia, what do you expect? | 14:33 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: hey.. other than the usb port falling off.. which was totally unexpected... | 14:33 |
| Macer | it was in great shape :) | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, yup unexpected but now you can't get your own merry little E7 | 14:34 |
| Macer | not really. i tried to repair it so i am sure i voided the warranty | 14:35 |
| Macer | :) | 14:35 |
| Macer | i wanted my n900! | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | you didn't mention that before :รพ | 14:35 |
| Macer | sure i did | 14:35 |
| Macer | a few hundred times ;) | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | no, you tried to repair wasn't mentioned in like over the period of 10 minutes | 14:35 |
| Macer | oh... you mean right now | 14:36 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 14:36 |
| psycho_oreos | 10 minutes != right now | 14:36 |
| Macer | the warranty must have been for only 1 year anyways... when i contacted them they told me that i would have to pay for the repair | 14:36 |
| psycho_oreos | in fact I should have mentioned 2 minutes, because 10 minutes was far too long anyways | 14:36 |
| Macer | doesn't matter | 14:37 |
| Macer | :) | 14:37 |
| Macer | i wouldn't mind an e7 tho. it looks like a nice phone | 14:37 |
| Macer | nokia should drop the price of them down to 200 and try to compete again | 14:37 |
| psycho_oreos | then again you pay for repair, you might pay for E7 brand new without anything else except for device. Think of it as a cheaper incentive to sell your N900 and trade it in for E7 | 14:37 |
| Macer | fair enough | 14:37 |
| Macer | but i really do want my n900 :/ i miss it | 14:38 |
| Macer | especially after using this crappy g2 for a few months | 14:38 |
| psycho_oreos | it sounds like you love E7 way more than your N900 | 14:38 |
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| WOLDRICH | what's E7? | 14:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | some shitian powered nokia smartphone | 14:38 |
| Macer | symbian nokia phone | 14:39 |
| WOLDRICH | :( I thought it might have been the successor of the n900 | 14:39 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: symbian is still good | 14:39 |
| psycho_oreos | with qwerty keyboard, and dubbed as `flagship' | 14:39 |
| Macer | :) | 14:39 |
| Macer | maybe someone here can get maemo on it | 14:39 |
| Macer | OR MEEGO!! | 14:39 |
| * Macer hides and busts out laughing | 14:39 | |
| psycho_oreos | WOLDRICH, if that were the case then Flop would be an oxymoron | 14:39 |
| WOLDRICH | heh, "With touch screen and QWERTY", like having QWERTY would be a good thing | 14:40 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, so get rid of your N900 and get E7, win-win for you | 14:40 |
| Macer | qwerty is a good thing :-P | 14:40 |
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| Macer | i couldn't see the n900 not having a qwerty | 14:40 |
| psycho_oreos | and E7 wouldn't even be able to run maemo/meego with its puny hardware specs | 14:40 |
| WOLDRICH | Macer, I have dvorak! | 14:40 |
| psycho_oreos | some guy awhile back asked the same set of retarded questions of trying to flash his E7 with maemo images | 14:40 |
| Macer | then remap it :-P | 14:41 |
| Macer | puny specs? | 14:41 |
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| Macer | it is an n900 | 14:41 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm talking about E7 with maemo OS | 14:42 |
| Macer | as am i | 14:42 |
| Macer | the e7 is an n900 running symbian :-P | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | E7 has what... 333MHz processor? N900 has 600, | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 14:42 |
| Macer | uhm | 14:42 |
| Trewas | well e7/n8 is not that much behind n900, and in fact ahead of n9 in some respect (what video it can hw decoed) | 14:42 |
| Macer | the hardware is about the same | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | that's like saying a ford car is the same as a porsche | 14:43 |
| Macer | i would say other than the display being a llittle lower res then e7 is the same hardware as an n900 | 14:43 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah about the same.. no its quite far off | 14:43 |
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| Macer | with a slightly faster cpu | 14:43 |
| psycho_oreos | its more than just a faster CPU | 14:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | visited gsmarena lately? | 14:43 |
| Macer | the hardware specs are the same | 14:43 |
| psycho_oreos | fail | 14:43 |
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| Macer | 680Mhz/256MB Arm 11 | 14:44 |
| psycho_oreos | if the hardware specs are the same why couldn't someone run other OS on it? | 14:44 |
| psycho_oreos | ARM 11 != ARM OMAP | 14:44 |
| Macer | why does osx need hacking to run on anything other than apple hardware? | 14:44 |
| psycho_oreos | uhm ok I failed in clock rate on E7 but the specs still isn't the same | 14:45 |
| psycho_oreos | because you say hardware is the same when it isn't? | 14:46 |
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| Macer | not sure which type of arm it is using | 14:48 |
| Macer | the n900 omap is shit nowadays anyways tho | 14:49 |
| Macer | all most places say are arm 11 680MHz | 14:50 |
| Macer | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/22774/nokia-e7-vs-nokia-n8-full-specs-comparison.html | 14:51 |
| Macer | that is a good compare between the e7 and n8 | 14:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | and how is OMAP shit? | 14:51 |
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| ShadowJK | The E7 cpu is probably slower than N900 cpu | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | It's like the older N810/N800's ARM core, except clocked higher | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | enjoy! | 15:10 |
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| * ShadowJK finds his silly benchmarks http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=542944&postcount=19 | 15:12 | |
| ShadowJK | "Sheevaplug has DOUBLE the clockspeed of N900, yet it's only 1.3 times as fast as N900." :) | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | I had forgotten how close the atom and omap3 are at a work-per-clock basis in the OGR benchmark | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | also nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I always get headache trying to joggle with ARMv7 ARM8 (cortex-)A8 and whatnot else | 15:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, need to ask you out of curiousity, its a little offtopic but where do you normally source RAM chip? not the RAM sticks but the actual RAM chip that sits on the RAM sticks? | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I normally don't - EE != sourcing | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when I need chips, digikey and mouser are frequently first addr | 15:22 |
| psycho_oreos | damn :/ thought you happen to know of a few sellers that would, I do recall you had information on a specific N900 component and thought you might know of a few good places that sells IC and what not | 15:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | hmm I'll hit those up and see how far I go, thanks | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | farnell | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.hkinventory.com | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even http://www.sparkfun.com sometimes | 15:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, of all the links you posted I found hkinventory site has the component I want. I hate to ask you this but are you a member? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 15:59 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* thanks | 15:59 |
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| Macer | wow | 18:19 |
| Macer | to use gtalk on an e7 you need to use nimbuzz? | 18:19 |
| Macer | flagship huh? :) | 18:19 |
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| kerio | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ ;_; | 22:16 |
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| doc|home | kerio: good that they mention that it's already a dead platform :/ | 22:21 |
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| doc|home | it is a nice looking phone... | 22:23 |
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| kerio | it's incredibly cute :( | 22:32 |
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| ShadowJK | what does it say | 22:33 |
| WOLDRICH | if only it had a keyboard I'd bought it :( | 22:33 |
| doc|home | WOLDRICH: that and you weren't buying a platform which is one foot in the grave | 22:33 |
| WOLDRICH | dear nokia wtf are you doing. nobody wants your stupid windows phones | 22:33 |
| WOLDRICH | doc|home, I would have | 22:34 |
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| WOLDRICH | that doesn't really matter for me | 22:34 |
| doc|home | WOLDRICH: the n900 was enough risk for me | 22:34 |
| WOLDRICH | I want the hardware, I can do what I want with it :) | 22:34 |
| doc|home | I've bought one dead-platform phone before and it sits on my desk unused because the software was utterly shit (openmoko) | 22:34 |
| WOLDRICH | can you not use what you want on it? | 22:35 |
| smhar | what is the deal with application is http://my-maemo.com ? why are they not included in extra and testing? | 22:35 |
| doc|home | it wasn't even functional as a phone | 22:35 |
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| WOLDRICH | neither is my n900 :D | 22:35 |
| doc|home | o.O mine is | 22:35 |
| WOLDRICH | I run arch on it | 22:35 |
| doc|home | haha | 22:35 |
| WOLDRICH | I'm going to buy another one. Seeing as there doesn't seem to come anything better soon | 22:36 |
| doc|home | n900? | 22:36 |
| WOLDRICH | yeah | 22:36 |
| doc|home | I'm liking the galaxy nexus | 22:36 |
| WOLDRICH | I don't think I'd appreciate android | 22:36 |
| doc|home | but not seeing enough of an advantage to actually spend money replacing my n900 just yet | 22:36 |
| WOLDRICH | there's a bunch of bad design flaws with the n900, but the most irritating thing is dpkg, which I have to use if I want it to function as a phone | 22:37 |
| doc|home | WOLDRICH: for me it's 60% hardware 30% software, 10% oh look-people actually create useful apps for it | 22:37 |
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| WOLDRICH | meh. 'apps' | 22:37 |
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| WOLDRICH | I use what I use on my other computers on it, pretty much :( | 22:37 |
| doc|home | you say that, but I still don't have an mpd client on my n900 which I have working on my n800... | 22:37 |
| WOLDRICH | there's a bunch of mpd clients | 22:38 |
| doc|home | in some other repos? | 22:38 |
| WOLDRICH | cutempc is one | 22:38 |
| doc|home | not in the main one... | 22:38 |
| WOLDRICH | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36068 | 22:38 |
| doc|home | ah, extra-devel repo | 22:38 |
| doc|home | if I install it will shit break all over the place? Used to happen on my n800 | 22:39 |
| WOLDRICH | I ported pimpd2 to it. Because I want the client to play the audio as well | 22:39 |
| WOLDRICH | it didn't for me | 22:39 |
| WOLDRICH | but I didn't really like it. But that doesn't say much | 22:39 |
| doc|home | ok, will have to give it a go | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | if u are careful with devel, u won't suffer harm | 22:40 |
| WOLDRICH | yeah. I've only made it unbootable 10-15 times or so, so no worries | 22:41 |
| WOLDRICH | (that might have been me trying to install everything and modify everything) | 22:41 |
| doc|home | hehe | 22:41 |
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| smhar | is there a plan to port maemo to N9? | 22:51 |
| doc|home | to port a dead platform onto a phone to replace a dead platform? :) | 22:52 |
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| smhar | maemo and N900 maybe dead, but I am not planning to stop using them any time soon. | 22:54 |
| doc|home | me neither, but it's a time vs worth thing :/ | 22:54 |
| smhar | frankly speaking, I still do not see an alternative. | 22:55 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | smhar: i agree. | 23:02 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i plan to buy another n900 as soon as i can. | 23:02 |
| HRH_H_Crab | there is no alternative. | 23:02 |
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| smhar | HRH_H_Crab, me too, just in case the hardware on the first one fails | 23:17 |
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| smhar | there are many apps still in dev and testing and need to go up to extra, why not make a campaign. better late than never | 23:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | there was a tmo thread about it, but really not many programs still seem suitable to the end users who are just purely lazy to read the accompanying documentation at times | 23:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | smhar, also in regards to what you said earlier on any plans to port maemo to N9, the UI porting is in the works you might want to have a look at cordia. | 23:45 |
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| doc|home | smhar: HRH_H_Crab the thing about buying hardware in case it fails is it might not fail for years, then the phone tech is so far behind :/ | 23:47 |
| HRH_H_Crab | doc|home: thats true | 23:49 |
| HRH_H_Crab | but in some ways the n900 is already "far behind" | 23:50 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | the question is will anyone ever make another phone which is also a decent palmtop linux computer? | 23:50 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i cant see it happening... | 23:50 |
| doc|home | well, in general hardware yes, but not so much in the actual radio which is what I meant | 23:50 |
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| doc|home | HRH_H_Crab: I bought the freerunner thinking the same thing, but that maxed out at 3g | 23:51 |
| HRH_H_Crab | well, i don't think i really need more than 3g | 23:52 |
| HRH_H_Crab | or to put that another way, | 23:52 |
| HRH_H_Crab | id rather have a decent palmtop linux computer in my pocket which is limited at 3g | 23:52 |
| HRH_H_Crab | than some tied down app store thing which can do 4g. | 23:53 |
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| doc|home | agreed, which is why when I'm done android's going to be where I go :/ | 23:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | problem with android, | 23:54 |
| doc|home | the only thing missing is a top tier hardware keyboard device | 23:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | on a lot of phones the hardware vendor has fucked with it a lot. | 23:54 |
| doc|home | that's less and less the case now | 23:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i used an android phone /before/ i got the n900. | 23:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | admittedly it was a sony ericsson | 23:55 |
| doc|home | well then yeah | 23:55 |
| HRH_H_Crab | but i got so pissed off with it i sent it back in the cooling off period. | 23:55 |
| doc|home | and provided you can root it it's supposedly not even all that necessary to use their version | 23:55 |
| HRH_H_Crab | that experience has made me VERY wary of android. | 23:55 |
| doc|home | things change | 23:55 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | well i guess thats what i'll be hoping when i move from my current n900 to the hypothetical new one i plan to buy. | 23:56 |
| HRH_H_Crab | because like you say, | 23:56 |
| HRH_H_Crab | even if google get their shit together and all my concerns about the os are removed, | 23:57 |
| HRH_H_Crab | there still isnt any decent hardware! | 23:57 |
| HRH_H_Crab | :P | 23:57 |
| HRH_H_Crab | (keyboard) | 23:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | well sgs2 is pretty decent if lets say it came with a qwerty keyboard and you can run maemo/meego on it :รพ | 23:59 |
| psycho_oreos | and you can bitch and whine all you like at the alternatives but the truth is for the time being linux powered handheld devices remains bleak | 23:59 |
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