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luojie-duneSucessfully run Alchemy on N900 via OpenJDK! WoW.02:30
luojie-dunehttp://al.chemy.org to download Linux build. and run directly on N90002:31
luojie-duneSpace call menu. and set fullscreen02:31
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Patehello03:49
Pateanyone alive who can help me to solve a problem03:50
PateI need to disable my camera buttoon which is too sensitiv at the moment03:50
DocScrutinizerno03:50
PateI just need to disable this button03:50
DocScrutinizererr03:50
PateI am sure there is a way to disable this button some how with rooth.03:51
Pateand the phone is n90003:51
DocScrutinizerdisable what exactly?03:51
Patedisable the camera button03:52
DocScrutinizeruse cyan acrylate glue03:53
Pateso now even slight touch of that camera buttoon willl allways open the camera app03:53
DocScrutinizeraah03:53
Patei wish i would not have to use psysical force to disable this stupid button03:53
DocScrutinizerumm, I think I've seen an option to disable that somewhere03:54
Patei tried shortcutd app but it just did not do the trick03:54
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DocScrutinizerhmm yeah03:55
DocScrutinizerdunno though, why shortcutd doesn't work. It should03:56
Pateor just disaple the camera app is another way to do it03:56
DocScrutinizernot that easy03:57
Pateor remove that app03:57
Patei reallyy don't need that app03:57
DocScrutinizerhmm03:57
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DocScrutinizerPate: please do in terminal: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*camera-ui04:06
Pateok04:07
Patebut is this se cover lens04:07
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Pateand not the button04:07
DocScrutinizererr? sorry?04:07
Patehttp://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html04:09
Patelook that in camera buttoon04:09
Pate Defined at arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig:15704:09
Patemut i have no idea how to disable that over there??04:09
DocScrutinizerme neither04:11
Patei cannot even find those files in my n90004:12
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DocScrutinizeryou may try to disable camera-ui process loading in the files I pointed you at above. Dunno if it helps or if the camera-ui still will get started via dbus service when button is pressed. Worth a try anyway04:14
DocScrutinizerI guess you don't want to build a new kernel that has no more definition for the hardware button in Kconfig, so forget about that natisbat stuff04:17
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Pateok04:17
DocScrutinizerthe correct way to do what you want was probably via gconf tweaks, which is what I guess shortcutd is doing. No idea why that doesn't work for you04:18
DocScrutinizeryou may want to ask again here in ca. now+12h. Better time for a lot of users in here04:19
Pateyeah it is 4:20 in Finlanf04:19
bindifinland, winland04:19
Patenot the best time to solve this problem04:19
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Patebut i ask tomoorow again04:19
bindiPate: wait04:20
bindiinstall uhhhh04:20
Pateyeah04:20
bindioh wait nevermind04:20
bindilol04:20
bindicamera *key*04:20
bindii was thinking of cam lens launcher04:20
DocScrutinizercommeting out the # /usr/sbin/dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui   line in /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*camera-ui, plus reboot might already fix your problem04:20
Pateyeah not solving the problem04:20
Pateyeah i give it a try but i am going now to bed04:21
Patehopefully i can fix this problem tomorrow04:21
Patebyw and good night all of you. and thanks for help04:22
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internetishardalright.06:09
internetishardI need serious guidance06:09
internetishardI can't lose the data on my phone06:09
internetishardI dropped it in the toilet06:09
internetishardonly was in there for a half second06:09
internetishardbeen blow drying it06:09
internetishardshould I take it apart?06:09
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internetishardfook hell06:19
internetishardit turns onn06:20
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internetishardcan the display be replaced?06:28
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internetishardFIXED!07:24
internetishardput it in the oven with convection currrent07:24
internetishardtried to keep close to 100degF07:25
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wmaronewhat broke?07:30
internetishardDropped the phone in the toilet07:30
wmaroneouch07:30
internetishardn900, completely submerged07:31
internetishardyeah, I was very scareed07:31
internetishardseems to be fully functional07:31
wmaronegood to hear that you managed to bring it back from the brink07:31
internetishardexcept the vibrator and speakers so far07:31
internetishardone hisses and the speakers aren't as sharp07:31
internetishardyeah man, and in only 30m07:31
internetishardneeded info off of it to do what I needed to do tonight too07:31
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sat2050hello people08:25
sat2050i have a small problem08:25
sat2050my media player is unable to buffer radio stations properly08:25
sat2050and it randomly stops08:25
sat2050can some one please help me figure out the problem08:25
sat2050?08:25
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ShapeshifterWhat's the name of that experimental pre-fetch caching thing?09:39
Shapeshifterwoodchuck09:41
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AdmiralSausageI'm trying to debug an N900 app using tcpdump/wireshark, but I can only see outgoing packets. Literally not a single incoming packet is captured. Do I need an extra step? I'm using Pali's power kernel11:20
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vdvhi all11:45
vdvhave anybody here untouched rx-51? can please someone pastebin it?11:45
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Siceloi wonder if u don't need to specify what to pastebin :/11:59
AdmiralSausageSicelo: I think he wanted the device :)11:59
Corsacon pastebin?12:00
AdmiralSausageI am hoping it was a joke...?12:01
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Siceloi think he does need something. for comparison with his current system setufp :012:05
Sicelos/tufp/tup/12:05
infobotSicelo meant: i think he does need something. for comparison with his current system setup :012:05
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luojie-duneis anybody running freemind on N900?12:14
luojie-dunewonder if i run atunes on N900:D12:15
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DocScrutinizerinternetishard: immediately remove batery, dry at slightly higher temperature for AT LEAST a week! Otherwise you WILL encounter defects in the long run12:43
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DocScrutinizerremove back cover, stylus and slide it open12:44
DocScrutinizercooler fan of a server etc is ideal12:46
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ShapeshifterI have a problem with my N900: One of the wlan networks (a WPA2 CCMP TKIP MSCHAPV2 network) doesn't connect automatically. All my other networks do, but with this one the N900 just stays connected to cellular instead of switching to WLAN. Clues? I tried removing/readding, no effect.12:58
ShapeshifterManually connecting works btw.12:59
ShapeshifterSearch interval is 10 minutes and it doesn't connect13:00
Shapeshifterhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3399 pfff oh great13:00
povbot`Bug 3399: Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise13:00
Shapeshifter"Low enhancement with 55 votes "13:01
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Shapeshiftersilly nokia13:02
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Nimesh_Accenturehas anyone succesfully used dbus-cxx on meego?13:22
Shapeshifterwhoa: 6063 cri Uns Maem nobody@maemo.org NEW voice calls inaudible most of the time, but not through speakers or earplugs 7113:23
Shapeshifter71 votes from people who can't use the phone to phone people13:23
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DocScrutinizerWTF?!13:36
DocScrutinizerthere's been a user here who complained about the same. Are YOU here? What's been result of a complete reflash?13:37
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: c'mon "problem with inbound sound for SKYPE(!!)" is >50% if initial posts. *completely* unrelated13:42
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: this is a sort of catch-all bug. There's everything from hw issues like contact problems of earpiece and beginning FPC breakage, over AV-connector messing up what device thinjks about status of wired headset, over NAT problems with VoIP/skype, to sw issues with notorious PA13:51
DocScrutinizernot to miss to mention the PEBKAC cases where volume gets handled wrong13:52
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: no doubt.13:53
ShapeshifterI'm just pissed at the classification of 'enhancement' for a bug that is a bug.13:53
Shapeshifterfreaking autoconnect doesn't connect automatically.13:53
Shapeshifter"it's a feature BWHAHAHAHA" right.13:53
DocScrutinizeryeah13:54
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DocScrutinizerI sometimes think the severity of a bug ticket gets determined by the likelihood that it ever will get fixed rather than the other way round13:55
Shapeshifter^^13:56
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DocScrutinizer""video playback locks after 1..30 seconds->black screen, reboot needed""  .oO(>>meh, I never use video playback on that device. And afaik the whole video decoder/hw-accel was a PITA and closed anyway<<) sets bufg severity to "improvement"13:59
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DocScrutinizer^^^is what sometimes I figure how it is done14:00
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DocScrutinizerthe absolute master gag is "it's not a guaranteed feature". Like ""Can't call *#61#"" -> It's not a guaranteed feature14:05
chem|stlol14:05
Corsacis there a guaranteed feature?14:06
chem|stlike the guy shooting at nokia cause of wpa enterprise in bugs.m.o, top 15 bugs having "low priority" at nokia is just dumb, well telling a company which is advertising a troyan horse for future devices won't be considered reliable/intelligent in the future14:07
Corsac-ENOPARSE14:07
chem|stCorsac: phonecalls, keyboard, mp3 playback14:08
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DocScrutinizerThe clown got trapped? \o/14:21
Corsacclown?14:22
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DocScrutinizergaddafi14:25
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how long UN and NATO want to sit back watching top-down terror in Syria14:28
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DocScrutinizerwell, sorry for clearly going OT14:31
velociraptor`np :)14:31
velociraptor`any one knows of a maemo software that would let me control desktop mouse cursor from n900?14:32
DocScrutinizerbluemaemo?14:32
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DocScrutinizeror vnc ;-)14:32
DocScrutinizer~maemopkg14:33
infobotwell, maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/14:33
velociraptor`no vnc! dont wanna use that -_-14:33
velociraptor`yea I know, just reading web pages about it before installing it14:33
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DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/bluemaemo/14:34
velociraptor`:o14:36
velociraptor`bluemaemo: Depends: efl-core but it is not going to be installed14:36
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velociraptor`>:14:36
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DocScrutinizer~seen vdvsx14:51
infobotvdvsx <~vdvsx@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 99d 17h 27m 33s ago, saying: 'RST38h: DocScrutinizer hey, was here last weekend, IIRC :)'.14:51
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luojie-duneany good java game to run on N900?14:52
jacks_lthow to check state of battery via xterminal?14:54
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Sicelonothing better than bq27200, imo14:58
Sicelojacks_lt: ^^14:58
jacks_ltbq27200?14:59
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velociraptor`from http://cruisemaniac.posterous.com/check-battery-level-from-terminal-on-n90015:00
velociraptor`hal-device bme | grep 'percentage\|current\|design'15:00
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jacks_ltdoes that work when h-e-n is running?15:04
velociraptor`no idea15:04
Sicelono. it won't. h-e-n stops bme. it is mentioned in the h-e-n gui15:05
velociraptor`yea15:05
jacks_ltis there another way then?15:06
velociraptor`but i just ran hen and that bme message came, and then i tried that command line again15:06
Siceloyeah. wait15:06
velociraptor`and it is giving me slightly different value, but most r the same15:06
velociraptor`but after hen I think all values will just freeze to what they are.15:07
jacks_ltDocScrutinizer ? ^15:09
Sicelojacks_lt: bq27200... check out: wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter15:09
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DocScrutinizerbme -> hald-addon-bme -> hal . Stopped bme will cause values in HAL be bogus or obsolete. Restart of bme causes bme confusion, and will take quite some time until bme got a somewhat sane idea of battery state again (not that bme idea of battery state is ever much more than guesswork). bq27200.sh will read out bat-gauge chip directly, and report correctly about voltage and current in/out aka charge/load. The charge% values of bq27200 chip15:15
DocScrutinizermay (CI=0) or may not (CI=1; CI=CalculationIncorrect) be accurate. You need a bit of insight into the way this chip works to calculate charge% and mAh values, to know what the values actually mean or when to trust them and when not15:15
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DocScrutinizermy original script bq27k-detail ( http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail ) doesn't work ootb on maemo kernel, but for sure has some nice explanations of the values, so maybe it's worth to look into it15:18
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jacks_ltDocScrutinizer I have such a cable for my flash drive, is it possible to use it for charging my n900 via an active hub? http://www.google.nl/imgres?q=y+cable+usb+drive&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=YQD&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&biw=1280&bih=619&tbm=isch&tbnid=1ugnQsFPnBKt9M:&imgrefurl=http://www.priceinspector.co.uk/p/auxiliary%2520in%2520cable/f/desc,True/&docid=uYlcqWLzL26pvM&imgurl=http://www.crescentelectronics.co.uk/media/catalog/produc15:32
DocScrutinizersorry this URL doesn't work15:33
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jacks_lthttp://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3417.html15:33
DocScrutinizerplease check your URLs (also for useless lenrth) before posting here15:34
jacks_ltthe snd one works right?15:34
DocScrutinizeryes, this cable looks OK for ~hostmode-charging15:34
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jacks_ltbut the USB B male connector is not very useful I think15:37
DocScrutinizerthe USB-B plug probably should fit to a USB hub upstream port. You'll need to plug the "main" USB-A plug to your F-F adapter -> N900, and the "power" USB-A plug to some charger or power supply (or even one of the DOWNstream ports of a powered hub)15:37
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jacks_ltIf I buy a y-cable, are there ones which don´t work?15:43
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merlin1991jacks_lt: how on earth should a y cable not work?15:44
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jacks_ltdunno, just to be sure15:45
jacks_lthow on earth would a FF extendor not work...15:45
jacks_ltI found out...15:45
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DocScrutinizerhow on earth shall I know if there's a fsckdup Y-cable out there in the wild?15:48
DocScrutinizerI've not found any that suggest by mere product description that they wouldn't work for this purpose, FWIW15:50
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jacks_ltmicrousb and two ´normal´ usb ports on such a cable is ideal?15:50
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DocScrutinizernot as if product descriptions of Y-cables are frequently particularly comprehensive or accurate15:51
DocScrutinizerjacks_lt: sounds nice, yes15:51
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DocScrutinizeryou could plug the micro to N900 directly, and the F-F adapter to the main A plug15:52
jacks_ltk15:55
jacks_lthmm but my n900 adapter is microusb :)15:56
jacks_ltI can´t use the active hub for charging?15:58
jacks_ltor do I need a usb charger16:02
DocScrutinizerfor those interested: i2cdump -y 2 0x55 b|tail -n +2|cut -d " " -f 2-17|./bq27k-detail " "16:03
DocScrutinizerhttp://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail16:03
DocScrutinizerjacks_lt: you can use the active hub for providing power tho the 'red' USB-A plug of a Y-cable, or you could hack the hub to provide 5V to upstream port16:05
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DocScrutinizerthe cheaper hubs only have a diode to keep 5V away from upstream - short that diode and you'll need no Y-cable16:06
jacks_ltk nice16:06
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jacks_ltwhere is the upstream port used for in this situation? For providing power? Or can you plugin the usb-A also in a downstream port?16:17
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jacks_ltfor power16:18
jacks_ltand what function has the microusb port in a y-cable normally, Usb-A or not?16:18
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jacks_ltin other words, do I need two FF adapters when having a y-cable with micro-usb16:23
jacks_ltwhen powering via the hub16:24
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Siceloso i can charge  while on h-e-n after all. dumb me, misunderstanding the meaning of the notification17:16
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Sicelo~hostmode-charging17:17
infoboti guess hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post92120317:17
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jacks_ltyep, I am planning to power via external hub and use my usb keybd via y cable http://www.onlinekabelshop.nl/webshop/webshop/;jsessionid=CB0BA821BF878023D13851D86A69749A?__stateless=CB0BA821BF878023D13851D86A69749A17:21
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Siceloit will work jacks_lt ;)17:33
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Siceloi don't even have hub .. i just connected to a free usb port on my lappy17:33
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DocScrutinizerhttp://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail217:41
DocScrutinizerrequest for test17:41
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DocScrutinizerjacks_lt: on a Y-cable you have a "normal cable" with an additional power plug (usually USB-A, sometimes red, frequently the plug on the end of the short thin cable). Plug this power plug to any ower supply where it fits to - powered USB hub downstream ports are such a power source, PC USB hostports are one, USB wallwart chargers are yet another one)17:47
DocScrutinizeruse the other two plugs of the Y-cable in same way you'd do with a "normal cable", add F-F adapters or whatever needed17:48
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vadimqhmm, is there an existing package for XML::Parser somewhere?17:50
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SiceloDocScrutinizer: which bash u suggest for the script?  i see bash, bash3, bash417:51
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DocScrutinizerdunno, I have bash3 here iirc17:51
DocScrutinizershouldn't matter17:51
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Sicelook. but i'll be a while. going to school now.17:52
DocScrutinizernp, works here. Just hope it doesn't act up for you, so feedback welcome any time17:53
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DocScrutinizerprobably I should add an additional check to make sure it will run on N900 only17:54
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DocScrutinizerit's not a good idea to run this script on arbitrary hw platforms17:54
jacks_ltDocScrutinizer ok usb works... what about connecting a midi keybd to the n900 :) For example to make a score in lilypond on the n900 / via debian chroot / or ssh -X17:55
jacks_lthttp://www.volny.cz/smilauer/rumor/rumor.html17:55
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jacks_lthttp://lilypond.org/17:55
DocScrutinizerno idea about midi kbd, as long as it has a USB interface you might get it working17:55
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jacks_lthttp://frescobaldi.org/17:56
jacks_lthttp://www.linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/laa/2011/10/12/18513517:56
jacks_ltVMPK & FluidSynth 0.1.0 for Meego Harmattan ^17:57
jacks_lthow hard will it be to get that thing on maemo?17:57
jacks_ltif it works on Harmattan ...18:00
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ShapeshifterAllright. I'm about to preemtively solder down the USB port on my n900. Anything I may do wrong?18:12
Shapeshifter(I do have a steady hand though)18:12
kerio~usb-fix18:13
infobotFixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<<18:13
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Shapeshifterkerio: thanks18:14
DocScrutinizernothing to add18:15
DocScrutinizermaybe just: "cover your camera lens!"18:16
ShapeshifterI sure hope I don't break it :)18:17
* Shapeshifter washes hands18:17
DocScrutinizerchance to break a working USB by doing preemptive fix is very low18:17
* Shapeshifter frowns upon miniature hexagon screws18:18
DocScrutinizermaybe you want to plug in some USB cable to avoid solder intruding into the receptacle thru the apertures18:19
DocScrutinizertorx 6 screws18:19
DocScrutinizerneed a tx6 driver for them18:19
DocScrutinizerand TAKE CARE about the flat plastic cable, it's *very* delicate18:20
Shapeshifterdamn I don't have a torx that small.18:20
DocScrutinizerremove the borad2board connector with e.g a credit card - never pull the cable18:21
DocScrutinizerhmm, you'll need to go shopping first. Maybe you can get fresg screws at same shop ;-) (manual says they are use-once-discard)18:22
Shapeshifter:/18:23
DocScrutinizeranyway I assume you read the L1_2 manual about disassembling the device18:25
Shapeshifterof course not18:26
ShapeshifterI have no expertise whatsoever18:26
Shapeshifterwow it's dusty18:27
Shapeshifterand it's covered in green rust18:29
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DocScrutinizeryou should make damn sure you read and understand the disassembling instructions of Service Manual L1_218:36
Shapeshifter~manual18:36
infoboti guess manual is at http://www.ibot.org/guide-0.43.x.html, or there is no manual, ibot.org is gone, read the source.18:36
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: am I supposed to remove the micro sd element that sits ontop of the usb port?18:39
DocScrutinizeryes18:40
DocScrutinizerds-sticky18:40
DocScrutinizercarefully peel off18:40
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DocScrutinizerI wasn't too concerned about replacing the sticky foam that hold it18:41
DocScrutinizerjust make sure it doesn't stick together and builds knots that are too fat for proper re-assembling - better cut away those knots18:42
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DocScrutinizerbasically the sticky isn't exactly needed for the device to function properly18:43
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Shapeshifterman there sure is a lot of rust in my n90018:43
jacks_ltbbl18:44
Shapeshiftertough thing18:44
DocScrutinizerRUST???18:44
Shapeshiftergreen rust18:45
Shapeshifteron the alu parts18:45
DocScrutinizererrrr18:45
Shapeshifterstain-like things18:45
DocScrutinizerthe alu is steel, and green rust could only be copper18:45
Shapeshifterodd18:45
lardmanzinc chromate?18:45
DocScrutinizerprobably collected dust from your green jeans18:45
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DocScrutinizerlardman: :-o18:46
DocScrutinizerpossible18:46
ShapeshifterI'll upload pictures later18:46
lardmanperhaps they made N900s out of broken aircraft18:46
DocScrutinizerthough I can't see why anything would be crome-plated in there18:46
ShapeshifterIt's not dust. I keep the n900 in my pocket all of the time and I sweat quite a bit. And I lived near the equator for a few months where it's always humid anyway.18:47
DocScrutinizerwow, and it still is alive18:47
Shapeshifterawesome, right?18:47
ShadowJK_I found green on a samsung that was dropped18:47
Shapeshifter;)18:47
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DocScrutinizerdamn, I serviced literally thousands of electronic devices in my life, and never seen green anything except when batteries leaked18:48
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ShapeshifterSo the USB socket has two little feet. From the picture on TMO I figure I can just apply solder right there even between the two and not break anything.18:48
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DocScrutinizerooh wait, some massive steel with zinc plating sometimes has a white-greenish stain18:49
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: it actually has 4 feet, but you don't care about those, just solder as much of both sides to groundplane as possible18:50
DocScrutinizerdon't use a too weak iron for that18:51
DocScrutinizerthat'S a soldering job for the big iron18:51
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DocScrutinizerwell, big as in 40W are not too much18:52
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ShapeshifterI have to work with what I have ^^18:53
Shapeshifter15W18:54
DocScrutinizerouch18:54
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Shapeshifteris it a serious problem?18:54
DocScrutinizerthis will get terribly clumsy as the groundplane is really large and made of copper, dissipates quite a bit of energy and thus cools down small soldering iron18:55
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DocScrutinizeryou may improve the amount of available energy from iron, by winding some blank 50g of copper wire around the tip18:56
DocScrutinizeralso preheating the PCB to some 50..60° helps a bit18:57
DocScrutinizer°C18:57
DocScrutinizerwell, just see if you can first cover the groundplane18:58
DocScrutinizerpads with solder18:58
DocScrutinizerthe do same with receptacle sides18:59
DocScrutinizerthen see if you can heat up all the groundplane plus USB plus solder you apply so all melts same time18:59
DocScrutinizerthis shouldn't take longer than 15 seconds though19:00
DocScrutinizeras otherwise nearby components are heating up as well19:00
Shapeshifterwould it be bad if some solder sticks to the metal cover which is right next to the usb port? the one when looking from the outside, on the left19:01
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ShapeshifterOn the right there's open space, but on the left there's little space19:01
DocScrutinizernot really as long as there are no shorts caused to the contact pins19:01
ShapeshifterI think I'll do it like on the picture and only solder the outermost pin on the left side19:02
Shapeshifteravoiding the narrow space19:02
DocScrutinizershould ork19:02
DocScrutinizerwork19:02
DocScrutinizerfor sure better than original state19:03
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DocScrutinizerdamn, I thought it changed the usb-fix factoid to point to that nice new thread19:05
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DocScrutinizer\o/ now wiki,m,o is down19:10
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7592019:14
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DocScrutinizerdang, infobot!!!!19:15
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: thanks19:19
Shapeshifterwhat I did here must be some of the worst soldering in history. but okay, seems better than before19:19
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ShapeshifterI'll just leave it at this :<19:20
Shapeshiftermh, damaging the usb plug on the cable side is a neat idea19:21
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.google.de/search?q=Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf19:21
vadimqdamaging it for what?19:21
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: thanks! .. .I'm done now :D19:21
Shapeshiftervadimq: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22216&d=131385035219:22
Shapeshiftervadimq: so that it slides out of the port more easily19:22
vadimqahh, I used a dremel19:22
DocScrutinizerit's a silly idea, I just pushed the latches a bit so the get "softer"19:22
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DocScrutinizerthe N950 cable however is *really* nasty (well, and new/unused)19:23
DocScrutinizerCA-17919:23
vadimqnah, it works nicely. Actually when I got the N900 one of the first things I found in the forum is that the USB port was fragile. So I figured I'd grind down the connector a bit19:24
vadimqit still holds in place nicely19:24
vadimqit's curious that the point of the micousb connector is that it was stronger than miniusb. And then they went and soldered it badly19:27
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* Shapeshifter dislikes all USB19:28
Shapeshifterit's the most un-universal universal connector19:28
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vadimqthese days it seems it's all normal USB and micro, so it's not so bad19:29
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: indeed19:30
vadimqmy headphones charge from a microusb connector too, it's handy19:30
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vadimqonly thing I don't like is the A plug. Whose idea was it to make a square thing that looks identical from the outside either way but can only be plugged in one orientation?19:32
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SpeedEvilMy main annoyance is it not specifying a 'high power' mode.19:33
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SpeedEvilIf - when plugged into an appropriate hub - a device could request 30V@0.5A - that would eliminate about 90% of wall-warts.19:33
vadimqthere is a high power mode -- shorting the data pins. Which the N900 requires from a dumb charger btw19:33
SpeedEvilNot quite.19:34
SpeedEvilThat can do maybe 4W, not 15.19:34
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SpeedEvil15 can charge a laptop overnight, or run printers, or ...19:34
vadimqprobably not safe over usb cable though19:34
drj_cro-leave19:35
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SpeedEvilvaldyn: Quite safe.19:35
vadimqI don't think anybody was thinking of that back then. They were just replacing the serial port, which provides no useful power at all19:36
SpeedEvilAll USB cables can cope with 30V, it's within the scope of the super-extra-low-voltage directive, so it requires little regulation.19:36
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vadimqpoint19:38
SpeedEvilsafety extra low voltage19:39
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DocScrutinizerthey *really* dropped the ball with USB3.019:41
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SpeedEvilSigh.19:46
DocScrutinizer>>The United States Army's Land Warrior system uses standard USB signaling with 15.6 V power using a ruggedized connector from Glenair, Inc.<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Proprietary_connectors_and_formats19:47
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Shapeshifterdidn't the usb consortium forbid host mode for devices that can charge through usb or something like that?19:49
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DocScrutinizernah19:49
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DocScrutinizerOTG devices may have no more than one USB connector19:52
DocScrutinizerat least you could read their specs that way19:53
Shapeshiftermh, seems like I didn't destroy anything. n900 reassembled and runs fine19:53
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Shapeshifterhooray.19:53
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DocScrutinizerand OTG specifies charging and hostmode, so no way they forbid that19:54
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: great :-D19:54
kerioDocScrutinizer: hm, so is the openpandora in violation of the specs?19:54
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I thought it was the reason the n900 doesn't have host mode. that they 'had' to disable it.19:54
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: low-grade equipment, cluelessness and a steady hand usually work when I solder ;) I assembled one of those Asuros once. Fun.19:55
DocScrutinizerthey weren't able to deliver all the needed drivers for true OTG, so they changed the receptacle wrom AB to B19:55
Shapeshifterah19:55
DocScrutinizerfrom*19:55
ShapeshifterMaybe I'll get a better iron for the other n900 I have when the time comes to take it out of its box.19:56
DocScrutinizerwhich calssifies the device as not OTG but rather simple peripheral/gadget, and those don't *need* any OTG drivers19:56
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: was that before, during or after they made BME interfere with this stuff?19:59
kerioShapeshifter: yes20:00
Shapeshifterkerio: :D20:00
kerioDocScrutinizer: perhaps it's only one OTG connector?20:00
keriothe openpandora has an OTG port and a host port20:00
DocScrutinizerkerio: please read the USB specs, I dunno for sure20:02
DocScrutinizeras mentioned before, you *could* read their specs that way20:02
DocScrutinizerI think it's pretty unclear20:03
kerioi wonder if the screen is good enough for nethack20:04
keriothe openpandora's screen20:05
keriothe n900's... isn't20:05
SpeedEvilI've played a couple of games on it.20:06
SpeedEvilI hate vikeys20:06
kerioSpeedEvil: well then you suck, sir20:06
kerioalso the OP has a dpad and two analogs - perhaps you can rebind keys in a satisfying way20:07
SpeedEvilvikeys + no easy numbers = :(20:07
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piggzdoes anyone know how to forge the n950 flasher to allow a downgrade?20:22
piggzs/force20:22
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DocScrutinizerand no, seems impossible20:27
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SpeedEvilGet the appropriate keys from nokia to do such.20:29
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piggzDocScrutinizer: oh well....n900 back on until pr1.1 flasher available20:29
SpeedEvilWhat's up with your 950?20:30
ShapeshifterAlthough now that I've taken it apart I'm quite disappointed how fat the n900 is looking at what's inside. There's a real lot of air and plastic in there.20:30
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piggzSpeedEvil: upgraded yesterday.....thismorning the alarm didnt go off (felt like an iphone user), clicking the clock app didnt open it, so i rebooted, and it didnt boot up!20:30
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internetishardDocScrutinizer: still working flawlessly after blow drying putting it in the convection oven at 110degrees for about an hour20:37
internetishardworked right after the oven went 'ding' too20:38
internetishard:>20:38
DocScrutinizer51it's not like it fails first then repairs itself with time. It's corroding during days and weeks until finally it breaks20:40
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DocScrutinizerand you'll not notice this corrosion process until the irreversible damage done is sufficient to make the device fail. Water can stay between chip and PCB in those tiny gaps for weeks and longer, and it's not necessarily causing immediate electrical failure, but for sure causes (electrolytic) corrosion21:27
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DocScrutinizerfor as long as the voltage got applied21:28
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RST38hMeanwhile: Lousiana has passed a law that says people may no longer use cash for second hand transactions. The idea being to make all transactions traceable, thus foiling copper theft, etc.23:46
x29aso you have to pay with your cc on a yardsale?23:47
keriowait, what?23:47
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BCMMRST38h: that sounds enforceable.23:47
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BCMMx29a: cheques, i guess. that's going to make fraud an awful lot harder, for sure...23:48
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