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| luojie-dune | Sucessfully run Alchemy on N900 via OpenJDK! WoW. | 02:30 |
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| luojie-dune | http://al.chemy.org to download Linux build. and run directly on N900 | 02:31 |
| luojie-dune | Space call menu. and set fullscreen | 02:31 |
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| Pate | hello | 03:49 |
| Pate | anyone alive who can help me to solve a problem | 03:50 |
| Pate | I need to disable my camera buttoon which is too sensitiv at the moment | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 03:50 |
| Pate | I just need to disable this button | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 03:50 |
| Pate | I am sure there is a way to disable this button some how with rooth. | 03:51 |
| Pate | and the phone is n900 | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | disable what exactly? | 03:51 |
| Pate | disable the camera button | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | use cyan acrylate glue | 03:53 |
| Pate | so now even slight touch of that camera buttoon willl allways open the camera app | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 03:53 |
| Pate | i wish i would not have to use psysical force to disable this stupid button | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, I think I've seen an option to disable that somewhere | 03:54 |
| Pate | i tried shortcutd app but it just did not do the trick | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm yeah | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno though, why shortcutd doesn't work. It should | 03:56 |
| Pate | or just disaple the camera app is another way to do it | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that easy | 03:57 |
| Pate | or remove that app | 03:57 |
| Pate | i reallyy don't need that app | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pate: please do in terminal: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*camera-ui | 04:06 |
| Pate | ok | 04:07 |
| Pate | but is this se cover lens | 04:07 |
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| Pate | and not the button | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | err? sorry? | 04:07 |
| Pate | http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html | 04:09 |
| Pate | look that in camera buttoon | 04:09 |
| Pate | Defined at arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig:157 | 04:09 |
| Pate | mut i have no idea how to disable that over there?? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 04:11 |
| Pate | i cannot even find those files in my n900 | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you may try to disable camera-ui process loading in the files I pointed you at above. Dunno if it helps or if the camera-ui still will get started via dbus service when button is pressed. Worth a try anyway | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you don't want to build a new kernel that has no more definition for the hardware button in Kconfig, so forget about that natisbat stuff | 04:17 |
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| Pate | ok | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the correct way to do what you want was probably via gconf tweaks, which is what I guess shortcutd is doing. No idea why that doesn't work for you | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may want to ask again here in ca. now+12h. Better time for a lot of users in here | 04:19 |
| Pate | yeah it is 4:20 in Finlanf | 04:19 |
| bindi | finland, winland | 04:19 |
| Pate | not the best time to solve this problem | 04:19 |
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| Pate | but i ask tomoorow again | 04:19 |
| bindi | Pate: wait | 04:20 |
| bindi | install uhhhh | 04:20 |
| Pate | yeah | 04:20 |
| bindi | oh wait nevermind | 04:20 |
| bindi | lol | 04:20 |
| bindi | camera *key* | 04:20 |
| bindi | i was thinking of cam lens launcher | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | commeting out the # /usr/sbin/dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui line in /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*camera-ui, plus reboot might already fix your problem | 04:20 |
| Pate | yeah not solving the problem | 04:20 |
| Pate | yeah i give it a try but i am going now to bed | 04:21 |
| Pate | hopefully i can fix this problem tomorrow | 04:21 |
| Pate | byw and good night all of you. and thanks for help | 04:22 |
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| internetishard | alright. | 06:09 |
| internetishard | I need serious guidance | 06:09 |
| internetishard | I can't lose the data on my phone | 06:09 |
| internetishard | I dropped it in the toilet | 06:09 |
| internetishard | only was in there for a half second | 06:09 |
| internetishard | been blow drying it | 06:09 |
| internetishard | should I take it apart? | 06:09 |
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| internetishard | fook hell | 06:19 |
| internetishard | it turns onn | 06:20 |
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| internetishard | can the display be replaced? | 06:28 |
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| internetishard | FIXED! | 07:24 |
| internetishard | put it in the oven with convection currrent | 07:24 |
| internetishard | tried to keep close to 100degF | 07:25 |
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| wmarone | what broke? | 07:30 |
| internetishard | Dropped the phone in the toilet | 07:30 |
| wmarone | ouch | 07:30 |
| internetishard | n900, completely submerged | 07:31 |
| internetishard | yeah, I was very scareed | 07:31 |
| internetishard | seems to be fully functional | 07:31 |
| wmarone | good to hear that you managed to bring it back from the brink | 07:31 |
| internetishard | except the vibrator and speakers so far | 07:31 |
| internetishard | one hisses and the speakers aren't as sharp | 07:31 |
| internetishard | yeah man, and in only 30m | 07:31 |
| internetishard | needed info off of it to do what I needed to do tonight too | 07:31 |
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| sat2050 | hello people | 08:25 |
| sat2050 | i have a small problem | 08:25 |
| sat2050 | my media player is unable to buffer radio stations properly | 08:25 |
| sat2050 | and it randomly stops | 08:25 |
| sat2050 | can some one please help me figure out the problem | 08:25 |
| sat2050 | ? | 08:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | What's the name of that experimental pre-fetch caching thing? | 09:39 |
| Shapeshifter | woodchuck | 09:41 |
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| AdmiralSausage | I'm trying to debug an N900 app using tcpdump/wireshark, but I can only see outgoing packets. Literally not a single incoming packet is captured. Do I need an extra step? I'm using Pali's power kernel | 11:20 |
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| vdv | hi all | 11:45 |
| vdv | have anybody here untouched rx-51? can please someone pastebin it? | 11:45 |
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| Sicelo | i wonder if u don't need to specify what to pastebin :/ | 11:59 |
| AdmiralSausage | Sicelo: I think he wanted the device :) | 11:59 |
| Corsac | on pastebin? | 12:00 |
| AdmiralSausage | I am hoping it was a joke...? | 12:01 |
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| Sicelo | i think he does need something. for comparison with his current system setufp :0 | 12:05 |
| Sicelo | s/tufp/tup/ | 12:05 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: i think he does need something. for comparison with his current system setup :0 | 12:05 |
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| luojie-dune | is anybody running freemind on N900? | 12:14 |
| luojie-dune | wonder if i run atunes on N900:D | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: immediately remove batery, dry at slightly higher temperature for AT LEAST a week! Otherwise you WILL encounter defects in the long run | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | remove back cover, stylus and slide it open | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | cooler fan of a server etc is ideal | 12:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | I have a problem with my N900: One of the wlan networks (a WPA2 CCMP TKIP MSCHAPV2 network) doesn't connect automatically. All my other networks do, but with this one the N900 just stays connected to cellular instead of switching to WLAN. Clues? I tried removing/readding, no effect. | 12:58 |
| Shapeshifter | Manually connecting works btw. | 12:59 |
| Shapeshifter | Search interval is 10 minutes and it doesn't connect | 13:00 |
| Shapeshifter | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3399 pfff oh great | 13:00 |
| povbot` | Bug 3399: Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise | 13:00 |
| Shapeshifter | "Low enhancement with 55 votes " | 13:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | silly nokia | 13:02 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | has anyone succesfully used dbus-cxx on meego? | 13:22 |
| Shapeshifter | whoa: 6063 cri Uns Maem nobody@maemo.org NEW voice calls inaudible most of the time, but not through speakers or earplugs 71 | 13:23 |
| Shapeshifter | 71 votes from people who can't use the phone to phone people | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been a user here who complained about the same. Are YOU here? What's been result of a complete reflash? | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: c'mon "problem with inbound sound for SKYPE(!!)" is >50% if initial posts. *completely* unrelated | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: this is a sort of catch-all bug. There's everything from hw issues like contact problems of earpiece and beginning FPC breakage, over AV-connector messing up what device thinjks about status of wired headset, over NAT problems with VoIP/skype, to sw issues with notorious PA | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | not to miss to mention the PEBKAC cases where volume gets handled wrong | 13:52 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: no doubt. | 13:53 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm just pissed at the classification of 'enhancement' for a bug that is a bug. | 13:53 |
| Shapeshifter | freaking autoconnect doesn't connect automatically. | 13:53 |
| Shapeshifter | "it's a feature BWHAHAHAHA" right. | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I sometimes think the severity of a bug ticket gets determined by the likelihood that it ever will get fixed rather than the other way round | 13:55 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""video playback locks after 1..30 seconds->black screen, reboot needed"" .oO(>>meh, I never use video playback on that device. And afaik the whole video decoder/hw-accel was a PITA and closed anyway<<) sets bufg severity to "improvement" | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ^^^is what sometimes I figure how it is done | 14:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the absolute master gag is "it's not a guaranteed feature". Like ""Can't call *#61#"" -> It's not a guaranteed feature | 14:05 |
| chem|st | lol | 14:05 |
| Corsac | is there a guaranteed feature? | 14:06 |
| chem|st | like the guy shooting at nokia cause of wpa enterprise in bugs.m.o, top 15 bugs having "low priority" at nokia is just dumb, well telling a company which is advertising a troyan horse for future devices won't be considered reliable/intelligent in the future | 14:07 |
| Corsac | -ENOPARSE | 14:07 |
| chem|st | Corsac: phonecalls, keyboard, mp3 playback | 14:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | The clown got trapped? \o/ | 14:21 |
| Corsac | clown? | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gaddafi | 14:25 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how long UN and NATO want to sit back watching top-down terror in Syria | 14:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, sorry for clearly going OT | 14:31 |
| velociraptor` | np :) | 14:31 |
| velociraptor` | any one knows of a maemo software that would let me control desktop mouse cursor from n900? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | bluemaemo? | 14:32 |
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| * velociraptor` googles | 14:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or vnc ;-) | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemopkg | 14:33 |
| infobot | well, maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 14:33 |
| velociraptor` | no vnc! dont wanna use that -_- | 14:33 |
| velociraptor` | yea I know, just reading web pages about it before installing it | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/bluemaemo/ | 14:34 |
| velociraptor` | :o | 14:36 |
| velociraptor` | bluemaemo: Depends: efl-core but it is not going to be installed | 14:36 |
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| velociraptor` | >: | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen vdvsx | 14:51 |
| infobot | vdvsx <~vdvsx@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 99d 17h 27m 33s ago, saying: 'RST38h: DocScrutinizer hey, was here last weekend, IIRC :)'. | 14:51 |
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| luojie-dune | any good java game to run on N900? | 14:52 |
| jacks_lt | how to check state of battery via xterminal? | 14:54 |
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| Sicelo | nothing better than bq27200, imo | 14:58 |
| Sicelo | jacks_lt: ^^ | 14:58 |
| jacks_lt | bq27200? | 14:59 |
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| velociraptor` | from http://cruisemaniac.posterous.com/check-battery-level-from-terminal-on-n900 | 15:00 |
| velociraptor` | hal-device bme | grep 'percentage\|current\|design' | 15:00 |
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| jacks_lt | does that work when h-e-n is running? | 15:04 |
| velociraptor` | no idea | 15:04 |
| Sicelo | no. it won't. h-e-n stops bme. it is mentioned in the h-e-n gui | 15:05 |
| velociraptor` | yea | 15:05 |
| jacks_lt | is there another way then? | 15:06 |
| velociraptor` | but i just ran hen and that bme message came, and then i tried that command line again | 15:06 |
| Sicelo | yeah. wait | 15:06 |
| velociraptor` | and it is giving me slightly different value, but most r the same | 15:06 |
| velociraptor` | but after hen I think all values will just freeze to what they are. | 15:07 |
| jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer ? ^ | 15:09 |
| Sicelo | jacks_lt: bq27200... check out: wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bme -> hald-addon-bme -> hal . Stopped bme will cause values in HAL be bogus or obsolete. Restart of bme causes bme confusion, and will take quite some time until bme got a somewhat sane idea of battery state again (not that bme idea of battery state is ever much more than guesswork). bq27200.sh will read out bat-gauge chip directly, and report correctly about voltage and current in/out aka charge/load. The charge% values of bq27200 chip | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | may (CI=0) or may not (CI=1; CI=CalculationIncorrect) be accurate. You need a bit of insight into the way this chip works to calculate charge% and mAh values, to know what the values actually mean or when to trust them and when not | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my original script bq27k-detail ( http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail ) doesn't work ootb on maemo kernel, but for sure has some nice explanations of the values, so maybe it's worth to look into it | 15:18 |
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| jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer I have such a cable for my flash drive, is it possible to use it for charging my n900 via an active hub? http://www.google.nl/imgres?q=y+cable+usb+drive&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=YQD&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&biw=1280&bih=619&tbm=isch&tbnid=1ugnQsFPnBKt9M:&imgrefurl=http://www.priceinspector.co.uk/p/auxiliary%2520in%2520cable/f/desc,True/&docid=uYlcqWLzL26pvM&imgurl=http://www.crescentelectronics.co.uk/media/catalog/produc | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry this URL doesn't work | 15:33 |
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| jacks_lt | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3417.html | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | please check your URLs (also for useless lenrth) before posting here | 15:34 |
| jacks_lt | the snd one works right? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, this cable looks OK for ~hostmode-charging | 15:34 |
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| jacks_lt | but the USB B male connector is not very useful I think | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the USB-B plug probably should fit to a USB hub upstream port. You'll need to plug the "main" USB-A plug to your F-F adapter -> N900, and the "power" USB-A plug to some charger or power supply (or even one of the DOWNstream ports of a powered hub) | 15:37 |
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| jacks_lt | If I buy a y-cable, are there ones which don´t work? | 15:43 |
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| merlin1991 | jacks_lt: how on earth should a y cable not work? | 15:44 |
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| jacks_lt | dunno, just to be sure | 15:45 |
| jacks_lt | how on earth would a FF extendor not work... | 15:45 |
| jacks_lt | I found out... | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how on earth shall I know if there's a fsckdup Y-cable out there in the wild? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've not found any that suggest by mere product description that they wouldn't work for this purpose, FWIW | 15:50 |
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| jacks_lt | microusb and two ´normal´ usb ports on such a cable is ideal? | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not as if product descriptions of Y-cables are frequently particularly comprehensive or accurate | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: sounds nice, yes | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could plug the micro to N900 directly, and the F-F adapter to the main A plug | 15:52 |
| jacks_lt | k | 15:55 |
| jacks_lt | hmm but my n900 adapter is microusb :) | 15:56 |
| jacks_lt | I can´t use the active hub for charging? | 15:58 |
| jacks_lt | or do I need a usb charger | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | for those interested: i2cdump -y 2 0x55 b|tail -n +2|cut -d " " -f 2-17|./bq27k-detail " " | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: you can use the active hub for providing power tho the 'red' USB-A plug of a Y-cable, or you could hack the hub to provide 5V to upstream port | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the cheaper hubs only have a diode to keep 5V away from upstream - short that diode and you'll need no Y-cable | 16:06 |
| jacks_lt | k nice | 16:06 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders how to include the i2cdump magic nto the bq27k-detail script so it would work on both platforms without any cmdline acrobatics | 16:13 | |
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| jacks_lt | where is the upstream port used for in this situation? For providing power? Or can you plugin the usb-A also in a downstream port? | 16:17 |
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| jacks_lt | for power | 16:18 |
| jacks_lt | and what function has the microusb port in a y-cable normally, Usb-A or not? | 16:18 |
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| jacks_lt | in other words, do I need two FF adapters when having a y-cable with micro-usb | 16:23 |
| jacks_lt | when powering via the hub | 16:24 |
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| Sicelo | so i can charge while on h-e-n after all. dumb me, misunderstanding the meaning of the notification | 17:16 |
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| Sicelo | ~hostmode-charging | 17:17 |
| infobot | i guess hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 17:17 |
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| jacks_lt | yep, I am planning to power via external hub and use my usb keybd via y cable http://www.onlinekabelshop.nl/webshop/webshop/;jsessionid=CB0BA821BF878023D13851D86A69749A?__stateless=CB0BA821BF878023D13851D86A69749A | 17:21 |
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| Sicelo | it will work jacks_lt ;) | 17:33 |
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| Sicelo | i don't even have hub .. i just connected to a free usb port on my lappy | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2 | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | request for test | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: on a Y-cable you have a "normal cable" with an additional power plug (usually USB-A, sometimes red, frequently the plug on the end of the short thin cable). Plug this power plug to any ower supply where it fits to - powered USB hub downstream ports are such a power source, PC USB hostports are one, USB wallwart chargers are yet another one) | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | use the other two plugs of the Y-cable in same way you'd do with a "normal cable", add F-F adapters or whatever needed | 17:48 |
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| vadimq | hmm, is there an existing package for XML::Parser somewhere? | 17:50 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: which bash u suggest for the script? i see bash, bash3, bash4 | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno, I have bash3 here iirc | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't matter | 17:51 |
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| Sicelo | ok. but i'll be a while. going to school now. | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | np, works here. Just hope it doesn't act up for you, so feedback welcome any time | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably I should add an additional check to make sure it will run on N900 only | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's not a good idea to run this script on arbitrary hw platforms | 17:54 |
| jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer ok usb works... what about connecting a midi keybd to the n900 :) For example to make a score in lilypond on the n900 / via debian chroot / or ssh -X | 17:55 |
| jacks_lt | http://www.volny.cz/smilauer/rumor/rumor.html | 17:55 |
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| jacks_lt | http://lilypond.org/ | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea about midi kbd, as long as it has a USB interface you might get it working | 17:55 |
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| jacks_lt | http://frescobaldi.org/ | 17:56 |
| jacks_lt | http://www.linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/laa/2011/10/12/185135 | 17:56 |
| jacks_lt | VMPK & FluidSynth 0.1.0 for Meego Harmattan ^ | 17:57 |
| jacks_lt | how hard will it be to get that thing on maemo? | 17:57 |
| jacks_lt | if it works on Harmattan ... | 18:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | Allright. I'm about to preemtively solder down the USB port on my n900. Anything I may do wrong? | 18:12 |
| Shapeshifter | (I do have a steady hand though) | 18:12 |
| kerio | ~usb-fix | 18:13 |
| infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< | 18:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | kerio: thanks | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing to add | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe just: "cover your camera lens!" | 18:16 |
| Shapeshifter | I sure hope I don't break it :) | 18:17 |
| * Shapeshifter washes hands | 18:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | chance to break a working USB by doing preemptive fix is very low | 18:17 |
| * Shapeshifter frowns upon miniature hexagon screws | 18:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you want to plug in some USB cable to avoid solder intruding into the receptacle thru the apertures | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | torx 6 screws | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | need a tx6 driver for them | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and TAKE CARE about the flat plastic cable, it's *very* delicate | 18:20 |
| Shapeshifter | damn I don't have a torx that small. | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove the borad2board connector with e.g a credit card - never pull the cable | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you'll need to go shopping first. Maybe you can get fresg screws at same shop ;-) (manual says they are use-once-discard) | 18:22 |
| Shapeshifter | :/ | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I assume you read the L1_2 manual about disassembling the device | 18:25 |
| Shapeshifter | of course not | 18:26 |
| Shapeshifter | I have no expertise whatsoever | 18:26 |
| Shapeshifter | wow it's dusty | 18:27 |
| Shapeshifter | and it's covered in green rust | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you should make damn sure you read and understand the disassembling instructions of Service Manual L1_2 | 18:36 |
| Shapeshifter | ~manual | 18:36 |
| infobot | i guess manual is at http://www.ibot.org/guide-0.43.x.html, or there is no manual, ibot.org is gone, read the source. | 18:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: am I supposed to remove the micro sd element that sits ontop of the usb port? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds-sticky | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | carefully peel off | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wasn't too concerned about replacing the sticky foam that hold it | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | just make sure it doesn't stick together and builds knots that are too fat for proper re-assembling - better cut away those knots | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically the sticky isn't exactly needed for the device to function properly | 18:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | man there sure is a lot of rust in my n900 | 18:43 |
| jacks_lt | bbl | 18:44 |
| Shapeshifter | tough thing | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | RUST??? | 18:44 |
| Shapeshifter | green rust | 18:45 |
| Shapeshifter | on the alu parts | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr | 18:45 |
| Shapeshifter | stain-like things | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the alu is steel, and green rust could only be copper | 18:45 |
| Shapeshifter | odd | 18:45 |
| lardman | zinc chromate? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably collected dust from your green jeans | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: :-o | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 18:46 |
| Shapeshifter | I'll upload pictures later | 18:46 |
| lardman | perhaps they made N900s out of broken aircraft | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I can't see why anything would be crome-plated in there | 18:46 |
| Shapeshifter | It's not dust. I keep the n900 in my pocket all of the time and I sweat quite a bit. And I lived near the equator for a few months where it's always humid anyway. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, and it still is alive | 18:47 |
| Shapeshifter | awesome, right? | 18:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | I found green on a samsung that was dropped | 18:47 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, I serviced literally thousands of electronic devices in my life, and never seen green anything except when batteries leaked | 18:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | So the USB socket has two little feet. From the picture on TMO I figure I can just apply solder right there even between the two and not break anything. | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh wait, some massive steel with zinc plating sometimes has a white-greenish stain | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: it actually has 4 feet, but you don't care about those, just solder as much of both sides to groundplane as possible | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't use a too weak iron for that | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S a soldering job for the big iron | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, big as in 40W are not too much | 18:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | I have to work with what I have ^^ | 18:53 |
| Shapeshifter | 15W | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 18:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | is it a serious problem? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | this will get terribly clumsy as the groundplane is really large and made of copper, dissipates quite a bit of energy and thus cools down small soldering iron | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you may improve the amount of available energy from iron, by winding some blank 50g of copper wire around the tip | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | also preheating the PCB to some 50..60° helps a bit | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | °C | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, just see if you can first cover the groundplane | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | pads with solder | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | the do same with receptacle sides | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | then see if you can heat up all the groundplane plus USB plus solder you apply so all melts same time | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | this shouldn't take longer than 15 seconds though | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | as otherwise nearby components are heating up as well | 19:00 |
| Shapeshifter | would it be bad if some solder sticks to the metal cover which is right next to the usb port? the one when looking from the outside, on the left | 19:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | On the right there's open space, but on the left there's little space | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really as long as there are no shorts caused to the contact pins | 19:01 |
| Shapeshifter | I think I'll do it like on the picture and only solder the outermost pin on the left side | 19:02 |
| Shapeshifter | avoiding the narrow space | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | should ork | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | work | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure better than original state | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, I thought it changed the usb-fix factoid to point to that nice new thread | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ now wiki,m,o is down | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, infobot!!!! | 19:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 19:19 |
| Shapeshifter | what I did here must be some of the worst soldering in history. but okay, seems better than before | 19:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'll just leave it at this :< | 19:20 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, damaging the usb plug on the cable side is a neat idea | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf | 19:21 |
| vadimq | damaging it for what? | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks! .. .I'm done now :D | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | vadimq: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22216&d=1313850352 | 19:22 |
| Shapeshifter | vadimq: so that it slides out of the port more easily | 19:22 |
| vadimq | ahh, I used a dremel | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a silly idea, I just pushed the latches a bit so the get "softer" | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the N950 cable however is *really* nasty (well, and new/unused) | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | CA-179 | 19:23 |
| vadimq | nah, it works nicely. Actually when I got the N900 one of the first things I found in the forum is that the USB port was fragile. So I figured I'd grind down the connector a bit | 19:24 |
| vadimq | it still holds in place nicely | 19:24 |
| vadimq | it's curious that the point of the micousb connector is that it was stronger than miniusb. And then they went and soldered it badly | 19:27 |
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| * Shapeshifter dislikes all USB | 19:28 | |
| Shapeshifter | it's the most un-universal universal connector | 19:28 |
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| vadimq | these days it seems it's all normal USB and micro, so it's not so bad | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: indeed | 19:30 |
| vadimq | my headphones charge from a microusb connector too, it's handy | 19:30 |
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| vadimq | only thing I don't like is the A plug. Whose idea was it to make a square thing that looks identical from the outside either way but can only be plugged in one orientation? | 19:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | My main annoyance is it not specifying a 'high power' mode. | 19:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | If - when plugged into an appropriate hub - a device could request 30V@0.5A - that would eliminate about 90% of wall-warts. | 19:33 |
| vadimq | there is a high power mode -- shorting the data pins. Which the N900 requires from a dumb charger btw | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Not quite. | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | That can do maybe 4W, not 15. | 19:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | 15 can charge a laptop overnight, or run printers, or ... | 19:34 |
| vadimq | probably not safe over usb cable though | 19:34 |
| drj_cro | -leave | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | valdyn: Quite safe. | 19:35 |
| vadimq | I don't think anybody was thinking of that back then. They were just replacing the serial port, which provides no useful power at all | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | All USB cables can cope with 30V, it's within the scope of the super-extra-low-voltage directive, so it requires little regulation. | 19:36 |
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| vadimq | point | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | safety extra low voltage | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they *really* dropped the ball with USB3.0 | 19:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sigh. | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>The United States Army's Land Warrior system uses standard USB signaling with 15.6 V power using a ruggedized connector from Glenair, Inc.<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Proprietary_connectors_and_formats | 19:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | didn't the usb consortium forbid host mode for devices that can charge through usb or something like that? | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OTG devices may have no more than one USB connector | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least you could read their specs that way | 19:53 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, seems like I didn't destroy anything. n900 reassembled and runs fine | 19:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | hooray. | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and OTG specifies charging and hostmode, so no way they forbid that | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: great :-D | 19:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hm, so is the openpandora in violation of the specs? | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I thought it was the reason the n900 doesn't have host mode. that they 'had' to disable it. | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: low-grade equipment, cluelessness and a steady hand usually work when I solder ;) I assembled one of those Asuros once. Fun. | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | they weren't able to deliver all the needed drivers for true OTG, so they changed the receptacle wrom AB to B | 19:55 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | from* | 19:55 |
| Shapeshifter | Maybe I'll get a better iron for the other n900 I have when the time comes to take it out of its box. | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | which calssifies the device as not OTG but rather simple peripheral/gadget, and those don't *need* any OTG drivers | 19:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: was that before, during or after they made BME interfere with this stuff? | 19:59 |
| kerio | Shapeshifter: yes | 20:00 |
| Shapeshifter | kerio: :D | 20:00 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: perhaps it's only one OTG connector? | 20:00 |
| kerio | the openpandora has an OTG port and a host port | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: please read the USB specs, I dunno for sure | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned before, you *could* read their specs that way | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's pretty unclear | 20:03 |
| kerio | i wonder if the screen is good enough for nethack | 20:04 |
| kerio | the openpandora's screen | 20:05 |
| kerio | the n900's... isn't | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I've played a couple of games on it. | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I hate vikeys | 20:06 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: well then you suck, sir | 20:06 |
| kerio | also the OP has a dpad and two analogs - perhaps you can rebind keys in a satisfying way | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | vikeys + no easy numbers = :( | 20:07 |
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| piggz | does anyone know how to forge the n950 flasher to allow a downgrade? | 20:22 |
| piggz | s/force | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /topic | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and no, seems impossible | 20:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Get the appropriate keys from nokia to do such. | 20:29 |
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| piggz | DocScrutinizer: oh well....n900 back on until pr1.1 flasher available | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | What's up with your 950? | 20:30 |
| Shapeshifter | Although now that I've taken it apart I'm quite disappointed how fat the n900 is looking at what's inside. There's a real lot of air and plastic in there. | 20:30 |
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| piggz | SpeedEvil: upgraded yesterday.....thismorning the alarm didnt go off (felt like an iphone user), clicking the clock app didnt open it, so i rebooted, and it didnt boot up! | 20:30 |
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| internetishard | DocScrutinizer: still working flawlessly after blow drying putting it in the convection oven at 110degrees for about an hour | 20:37 |
| internetishard | worked right after the oven went 'ding' too | 20:38 |
| internetishard | :> | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's not like it fails first then repairs itself with time. It's corroding during days and weeks until finally it breaks | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you'll not notice this corrosion process until the irreversible damage done is sufficient to make the device fail. Water can stay between chip and PCB in those tiny gaps for weeks and longer, and it's not necessarily causing immediate electrical failure, but for sure causes (electrolytic) corrosion | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for as long as the voltage got applied | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Lousiana has passed a law that says people may no longer use cash for second hand transactions. The idea being to make all transactions traceable, thus foiling copper theft, etc. | 23:46 |
| x29a | so you have to pay with your cc on a yardsale? | 23:47 |
| kerio | wait, what? | 23:47 |
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| BCMM | RST38h: that sounds enforceable. | 23:47 |
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| BCMM | x29a: cheques, i guess. that's going to make fraud an awful lot harder, for sure... | 23:48 |
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