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| ds3 | for those of us who didn't qualify to get a N950...would it be a bad idea to get a spare N900 before it vanishes? (assuming that one doesn't want to cut their sim to fit the N9)? | 00:25 |
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| NIN101 | if you can live without official updats from nokia. | 00:26 |
| NIN101 | then probably not. | 00:26 |
| ds3 | NIN101: is the N950 going to have official updates? | 00:27 |
| ds3 | also, is there any other option out there for a non Android Linux phone with features at least as good as the N900? | 00:27 |
| NIN101 | N950 will probably get updates for some time, but I don't have one and I am not always up to date with the N9/N950 harmattan stuff. | 00:28 |
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| ds3 | yes but the N950 is not going to be available for purchase, right? | 00:30 |
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| ds3 | or has that changed? | 00:30 |
| NIN101 | no it has not changed. | 00:30 |
| ds3 | so there is no options :( | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | and N900 hasn't been getting updates for ages already, so :P | 00:31 |
| ds3 | exactly | 00:31 |
| ds3 | I can tolerate the existing N900 as-is. | 00:32 |
| ds3 | just wanted to be ready for why my current N900 unit physically bites the dust | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | even with N9/N950, updates will probably never fix specification bugs anyway | 00:32 |
| Trewas | n9's virtual keyboard is surprisingly non-frustrating compared to n900's hw-keyboard, not that I have really used any other touchscreen-only phones | 00:33 |
| ds3 | the deal breaker for the N9 is microSIM | 00:33 |
| ds3 | I suspect if I break my SIM, it won't get replaced | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | even so, the lost screenspace is like having a 16x2 lcd again | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | (or worse) | 00:34 |
| ds3 | has someone created like a graffiti input method? | 00:34 |
| ds3 | actually, has anyone gotten TMO to replace a broken sim for a grandfathered account? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard literki is available for N9 | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Literki | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | found that rather cool back when | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | one thing though: the font used for the "keycaps" should have a shadow in complementary color, to give a better contrast in some unfortunate cases where you can't find a color for literky that gives good contrast to background for all keys | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | also auto color selection on popup resp. interactively triggered by a special key/gesture was nice | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | looks like my Freerunner is dead too | 00:47 |
| luke-jr | :| | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | err :-S | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dead? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | too?? | 00:48 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 00:48 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't do *anything* now :| | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | I guess battery died | 00:49 |
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| * luke-jr does a fresh flash on N900 | 00:52 | |
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| luke-jr | sigh | 00:55 |
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| luke-jr | well at least that worked :/ | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | now to restore stuff | 01:08 |
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| yigal | does anyone know if GMapToGPX can be used on the N900 directly to make routing easier with Google? | 03:49 |
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| yigal | does anyone know if GMapToGPX can be used on the N900 directly to make routing easier with Google? | 03:59 |
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| yigal | what a fucking waste | 05:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 06:16 |
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| doc|home | anyone know how to unset the device lock pin so you can set a new one? Phone's not locked. | 09:47 |
| doc|home | or what the default one is? | 09:47 |
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| doc|home | nm, got it | 09:47 |
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| woldrich | In what situations do you get to see and 'use' your lockscreen? I've played around with qtlockscreen, but how do I lock the device in such a way that I can see and make use of the lockscreen? Whenever I touches the display or whatever I come back to the desktop. Isn't this controlled with the device lock settings in the settings manager? | 09:56 |
| woldrich | if I set the lock screen delay to 5 minutes, after 5 minutes a dialog thing pops up where it wants me to enter the lock password. Do I have to enter a password for *entering* lock mode? | 09:59 |
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| ruskie | no | 10:01 |
| ruskie | it's for unlocking it | 10:01 |
| woldrich | but... I never get to see it! | 10:01 |
| woldrich | I want to show the lockscreen all the time when I have it connected to the computer. The screen is always on, but I still never get to see the lockscreen | 10:02 |
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| ruskie | erm | 10:05 |
| ruskie | there is a standby screen and a lock screen | 10:05 |
| ruskie | the lock screen would be the stuff with the keypad on it | 10:05 |
| woldrich | keypad? | 10:05 |
| ruskie | standby screen has the slide to unlock stuff and time | 10:05 |
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| woldrich | http://i.japh.se/n900/screenshot_1318921466.png <--- this | 10:05 |
| ruskie | yeah that would be the standby screen | 10:06 |
| ruskie | I'm assuming you want to see that one | 10:06 |
| woldrich | yes, please. | 10:06 |
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| ruskie | not sure it is possible | 10:06 |
| woldrich | what | 10:07 |
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| woldrich | grr, what use is these things if I can't see it? | 10:07 |
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| edheldil | woldrich: the standby screen is displayed when you double press the OFF button | 10:28 |
| woldrich | aaaah! there. | 10:28 |
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| woldrich | so there's no way I can make it always visible while it's charging? | 10:29 |
| edheldil | but since I have installed QtLockscreen, I started to use the slider, hence I don't see it at all | 10:29 |
| woldrich | slider? | 10:29 |
| edheldil | the Nokia's logic behind slider/button completely eludes me | 10:30 |
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| edheldil | there's a slider on the right side of the phone, above the audio connector | 10:30 |
| woldrich | ah. that thing | 10:30 |
| ruskie | hehe | 10:30 |
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| edheldil | why bother with standbyscreen if there's a hw button bypassing it? Braindead | 10:32 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/19/ballmer_disses_android_complex/ <-- erm... yes... suuuure | 10:45 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Certain underground hacking forums are acting as training academies and tech-support networks for cybercriminals as well as creating a marketplace for a vast array of cybercrime tools, say researchers! | 10:55 |
| RST38h | OMG | 10:55 |
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| jacks_lt | Is it possible to use apt pinning with maemo on n900? | 14:31 |
| arnet | jacks_lt: I wouldn't do that :) | 14:32 |
| arnet | I have a huge experience of bricking my device so far :) | 14:32 |
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| jacks_lt | hmm ok | 14:34 |
| jacks_lt | is there another way to install a typical version number, in this case power kernel 47? | 14:34 |
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| jacks_lt | arnet: ^ | 14:36 |
| arnet | jacks_lt: Hmm, you know, after thinking a little more, may be pinning on maemo is not the same as pinning on Debian, because we don't have Sid here... | 14:39 |
| arnet | You may mix only stable/testing | 14:40 |
| arnet | And it should be safe | 14:40 |
| jacks_lt | http://yoush.homelinux.org:8079/tech/etcaptpreferences-on-n900 | 14:40 |
| jacks_lt | anyway, I like to install pk 47 | 14:41 |
| arnet | and on maemo4 I was installing specific kernel version just with dpkg | 14:41 |
| jacks_lt | you downloaded a deb? | 14:41 |
| jacks_lt | or can you use dpkg with repos | 14:42 |
| arnet | No, I have downloaded a deb manually | 14:42 |
| jacks_lt | k | 14:42 |
| arnet | I see (the link) | 14:42 |
| arnet | And I remember that apt-get upgrade with extras-devel bricked device. | 14:43 |
| edheldil | you can do apt-get install package=version | 14:43 |
| jacks_lt | hmm | 14:43 |
| arnet | But just installing is safe most of the time. | 14:44 |
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| jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer: thankx a lot, works like a charm! | 15:06 |
| jacks_lt | with new ff adapter | 15:06 |
| jacks_lt | :) | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | phooooh, I'm glad to hear that :-D | 15:07 |
| jacks_lt | it automatically detected my keybd and even my trackpoint is working! | 15:08 |
| jacks_lt | it took a while, but very happy now! | 15:08 |
| jacks_lt | great | 15:08 |
| jacks_lt | an external hub just makes sure the keybd is not sucking the battery of the n900 too much, right? | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | right | 15:09 |
| * jacks_lt using pk 47 btw | 15:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | see ~powered-hostmode though | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~powered-hostmode | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~h-e-n | 15:10 |
| infobot | it has been said that hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging | 15:10 |
| infobot | hostmode-powered is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 15:10 |
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| jacks_lt | pk 47 doesnĀ“t seem to have the save problem with gnumeric | 15:12 |
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| Sicelo | \0/ jacks_lt | 15:17 |
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| jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer I have this external hub http://www.sweex.com/nl/assortiment/connectivity/usb-firewire-hubs/US014/ | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes. And? | 15:23 |
| jacks_lt | any typical way to use that thing properly? | 15:25 |
| jacks_lt | without nuking my n900? | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, absolutely standard | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just keep in mind you don't want to plug in the N900 to one of the downstream ports when you want to do hostmode | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not that this might nuke the device. It just caused a number of users complaining about "hub not working with h-e-n" | 15:28 |
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| Sicelo | for kernel downgrade, which is best: 1) to revert to stock, then install what i want, or 2) just apt-get install <kernel> :? | 15:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer fails to see any potential problems in 2) | 15:29 | |
| Sicelo | ah, thanks :) | 15:30 |
| Sicelo | of course, i'll use BM first | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as apt-get will fetch the kernel verson you want | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | also installing kernel via apt-get is a tad tricky I heard, as yu need to install kernel, kernel-flasher and kernel-modules in the right sequence | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | indtalling via HAM takes care about that, but probably won't allow to downgrade | 15:32 |
| Sicelo | yeah, i noticed on the PK thread. but wasn't that for installing via debs? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, sorry. It's just too long ago I last time dealt with this, can't recall exactly | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you're right, this was about dpkg -i, not about apt-get install | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ā | 15:34 |
| Sicelo | :) | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: you may check if your USB hub is one of the really "cheap broken-by-design" ones that provides 5V on upstream port | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 1 == hub delivers 5V (only if booston not yet started ;-D ) | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | which would mean you could use the hub instead of a Y-cable as in ~hostmode-powered | 15:37 |
| * Sicelo has failed so far to charge while on h-e-n ... getting 'Shutting down USB.. NO reason' | 15:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 15:38 |
| Sicelo | yeah, i am still going to try other setups though. but, Y-cable method works perfectly, even better than plain h-e-n | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, sure. Stopping booston will "throw that error" - this doesn't mean hostmode got stopped | 15:39 |
| Sicelo | :) | 15:39 |
| Sicelo | :/ oh | 15:39 |
| Sicelo | i have been disconnecting soon as i got that, lol, dumb me | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it just informs you about N900 stopping to provide 5V by itself, which is pretty much exactly what you want it to do, for charging hostmode | 15:40 |
| Sicelo | thanks for the info. it makes sense :) | 15:42 |
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| Sicelo | btw, if i wish to use h-e-n without gui, which scripts should i run, and in what sequence? | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, there's no script to run for that yet. You just need to do on cmdline what h-e-n GUI does when you hit the several buttons | 15:46 |
| jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer with hen started I get 1 otherwise 0 | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, with h-e-n started you see the 1 which means your booston script made N900 apply 5V to USB | 15:46 |
| jacks_lt | so this thing is not broken by design? | 15:47 |
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| Sicelo | yeah DocScrutinizer. that's what i meant.. the cmdline stuff. is it somewhere on tmo? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: seems it isn't, yep | 15:48 |
| jacks_lt | ok | 15:48 |
| jacks_lt | how to disconnect a peripheral like my keybd? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it won't allow you to charge while hostmode, without using an additional Y-cable | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, just unplug | 15:49 |
| jacks_lt | Y-cable hmm | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr, I guess it's on h-e-n garage homepage | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I have to confess I don't exactly recall all the stepps off top of my head | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: ^^^ | 15:51 |
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| jacks_lt | what sucks more battery, a bluetooth keybd or usb? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | something like "echo host-f >/sys/*/*/mode" for selecting hostmode and speed, then start booston, then "echo F > <somewhere>" for starting enum | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: clearly USB | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | by a number of magnitudes | 15:53 |
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| jacks_lt | is that much? :) | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | USB, even in best case, will draw way more constantly all the time than BT might draw for peaks occasionally | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hostmode alone makes OMAP3430 draw quite a lot of power for the not-so-power-optimized mentorgraphics musb-hdrc USB controller inside the SoC, even while no USB peripheral at all attached | 16:01 |
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| Sicelo | thanks. /me checks garage. thanks a lot | 16:12 |
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| jacks_lt | thx bbl | 16:43 |
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| vadimq | Hi :-) I'm considering the N9. Is it good? And is it as open as the N900? | 17:36 |
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| mgedmin | the N9 is excellent | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure how to compare openness | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | are you interested in the availability of source code? or your ability to control the device? | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | the N9 has aegis, which forbids the root user from doing all sorts of stuff, like, oh, _writing shell scripts_ | 17:40 |
| vadimq | hrm, that sounds like a problem. Can it be disabled? | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | in theory | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | ask in #harmattan about aegis | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | or on the forums | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | I haven't bothered; the shell script problem can be worked around by creating aliases foo = 'sh /home/user/foo' | 17:42 |
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| vadimq | what about stuff like loading custom kernel modules? | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | dunno, haven't tried | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | if you want to know more about aegis (and disabling it), this thread is on topic: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 | 17:45 |
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| mgedmin | developers from nokia claim that you're allowed to flash your own kernel and do whatever you want | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | and I think there are people who have done that | 17:50 |
| mece | ...but you loose warranty by doing it. | 17:54 |
| mece | lose | 17:54 |
| vadimq | Hmm, going to wait to have a confirmation of that | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | so far there wasn't anything I wanted to do that aegis would prevent me from doing | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | if you enable developer mode, you get xterm, openssh (server + client), and you're free to install unsigned .debs from anywhere | 17:55 |
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| vadimq | mece: I don't really have use for it if I can't mess with it properly. Also I'm not convinced the "warranty void" is going to fly in the EU, at least for something unrelated to the software | 18:03 |
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| mece | vadimq, well I suggest you read the thread mentioned >> mgedmin: if you want to know more about aegis (and disabling it), this thread is on topic: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 | 18:06 |
| vadimq | reading it, yeah | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<mece> ...but you loose warranty by doing it) not only warranty but also quite an arm and a leg of harmattan functions | 18:18 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, mm | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, there's definitely no way to load custom kernel modules to the "normal" harmattan installation | 18:19 |
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| vadimq | DocScrutinizer: which functions? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you exploit holes in aegis policy, see javispedro's aegis-disabler | 18:20 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, well we don't know if that works in the new firmware yet... | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | vadimq: certs, accounts, all that "security" stuff | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it shows up in corners where you'd maybe never would've thought you'll run into it | 18:21 |
| vadimq | DocScrutinizer: what certs and accounts? | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the accounts that are managed by aegis: | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mail, nokia, IM, whatnot. I dunno as it annoys me too much to test it | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | messages | 18:23 |
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| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, wow, there is aegis-disabler already? where is it? | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, not really. Javispedro published a way to neuter aegis in beta1, and there's a 'custom' kernel that causes openmode, and allows to hack the kernel to neuter aegis again, on beta2 | 18:30 |
| Corsac | it'd have been nice to have a real summary of what aegis is and is not, what it prevents you (and malwares) to do, instead of all the FUD there is right now | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 18:31 |
| Arkenoi | what it does not is it does not want to go away peacefully | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=10 | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | not only page10 but whole thread, plus the links in there | 18:32 |
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| vadimq | I don't get what's the point of all this stuff anyway, since it seems like it's a deadend of a platform, on a very rare phone. Not like the commercial developers are going to show up en masse | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | vadimq: tell that to the Nokia product managers | 18:34 |
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| Corsac | vadimq: a security systems can still be useful. I can understand it can be frustrating (and maybe I couldn't stand it either, I didn't have a chance to test it myself) but some of the stuff it prevents you to do, it'll prevent bad people/apps as well. As I understand it's really not perfect but I'm glad some people think about that | 18:38 |
| Corsac | (now since it's likely to be the last OS in the serie, I guess not doing it perfect means it could have been completely dropped since there won't be ameliorations) | 18:38 |
| Corsac | and maybe Maemo platform is not popular enough to be a real target either | 18:39 |
| Arkenoi | Corsac, you are totally wrong. there is a way to prevent bad people from doing things legitimate phone owner still can do | 18:39 |
| Arkenoi | actually a number of ways | 18:39 |
| Arkenoi | restricting owners right on the device should not be tolerated | 18:39 |
| Arkenoi | it is abomination | 18:39 |
| Corsac | ā¦ | 18:40 |
| Arkenoi | and all excuses to do those truly evil things are just silly | 18:40 |
| Corsac | I can understand your frustration, but such hard word won't really help at making you sensible | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just true | 18:41 |
| ruskie | digital restrictions managament != security | 18:41 |
| Corsac | sure, but aegis is not only about drm, I think you really missed that | 18:42 |
| Corsac | and maybe it's not only your fault | 18:42 |
| ruskie | it is only that | 18:43 |
| ruskie | it doesn't prevent bad people/apps anything | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and aplogetic word about aegis implementation/concept won't help make it any more of a working concept. There's no way to restrict capabilities for *all* apps to avoid *one* rogue app doing nasty. Would you want to forbid sending SMS for all apps, access to your contacts for all apps? | 18:43 |
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| Arkenoi | Corsac, there *may* be some point in aegis (though given Harmattan "popularity" it is more a research project than anything truly useful anyway) but there can never be any point in revoking user control on it | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | what aegis is missing is a way ala andridiot where *user* can decide on a per-app basis what's allowed and what'S not allowed | 18:44 |
| Corsac | hmhm, can android do that? | 18:45 |
| Corsac | I though you could accept/deny app install, but that's all | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can not forbit *all* potentially dangerous functions for *all* apps | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | forbid* | 18:45 |
| Corsac | can every app handle the fact that some permission it needs aren't given on some device? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis - with proper credential review and granularity of credentials would be a great plus. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing as a per-device policy | 18:46 |
| ruskie | a MAC setup could work if done properly | 18:46 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I meant, on one user device, if he deny some permission, can the app handle that? | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | If an app requests SMS capability, and there isn't any mention of SMS in the description - it's malware. | 18:47 |
| ruskie | but that would require the user to have control | 18:47 |
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| Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, for ovi store, yes. and should be either completely disabled or user-controlled for everything else | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no "he deny" | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Not only ovi store, it could be very useful for a community repository | 18:47 |
| Arkenoi | because nokia may have some responsibility for things that come from ovi store but definitely nothing else | 18:47 |
| ruskie | and of course MAC should not be possible to bypass with "internal" apps | 18:47 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: so how can an user decide on a per-app basis what's allowed and what's not? | 18:47 |
| Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, (or any other repository that has proper review and QA) | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: It makes it _lots_ easier to QA for nasty stuff, as you don't need to inspect source, just credentials. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: he can't on harmattan/aegis | 18:48 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I mean on android | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on andridiot user can review what the app requests for permissions and can decide to accept or deny | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | never looked into andridiot | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | on HARM anyway OVI store decides that for you, on that subset of permissions that is available over OVI at all | 18:50 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: ok, so, again, on android you can review what permissions an ask want, and you can accept/deny installation, that's all | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is all but a comprehensive set of permissions | 18:50 |
| Corsac | you can't allow by permission | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, it doesn't really matter - for HARM | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | as aegis can't do any of that | 18:51 |
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| Corsac | you mean you can't review permissions requested by an app? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | on OVI the QA decides if *you* should be able to get a SMS-sending app or not | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, there's no official way for user to review permissions of an app | 18:53 |
| Corsac | afair the manifest is shipped in the deb package so it should be possible to check/display them at install time. Maybe that deserves a bug on HAM | 18:53 |
| Corsac | well, I guess it's not HAM anymore | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like HAM | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's only OVI store, basically | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and no way for you to ship an app that needs any permissions without it going thru OVI, or getting any permissions that are not available on OVI (that's a friggin lot still) | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and once OVI is down for whatever reason - temporarily or discontinued - your N9 is basically a brick | 18:56 |
| ruskie | yay | 18:57 |
| Corsac | why so? | 18:57 |
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| Corsac | ovi store down wont prevent the device to work, it will prevent you installing new apps, right? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | as none of the app providers could opt to ship updates via alternative path | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, basically | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | not only new apps, also updates for existing apps | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's just a nice detail on the periphery | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the main crux is aegis prevents any real system administration | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're not owner of your own device anymore | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, not owner of the OS called harmattan. Sure meanwhile you can install alternative OS, like meegoCE. But you can't administrate your own device with stock OS aka harmattan | 19:01 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: You should write a program to count how many words you spend talking about aegis on IRC, should be quite a lot by now :) | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got no idea ;-D | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess my words about OC are still >> words on aegis | 19:03 |
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| ErwinJunge | Aren't your words about OC just a link to the same presentation slide every single time? ;) | 19:04 |
| vadimq | What's OC? | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff, citation needed | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~opap-oc | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 19:05 |
| infobot | somebody said omap-oc was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~oc | 19:06 |
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| infobot | somebody said oc was an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OvrClocking the CPU | 19:06 |
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| vadimq | I agree with DocScrutinizer here. It's quite unfortunate that it doesn't seem to get much better anywhere else. I looked a bit at Android, but the more I look at it, the less I like it | 19:08 |
| vadimq | hopefully somebody will rip all that nonsense out | 19:08 |
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| vadimq | does meegoCE make phone calls and have maps? | 19:16 |
| wmarone__ | calls yes, maps not inherently | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: if you're interested in a bit more elaborate rant about OC than just "a ever-same link to a slide" you may like this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79018 | 19:17 |
| vadimq | wmarone__: I mean, I don't care if it's the Nokia sort or not, so long it's something usable. I don't particularly like the maps app on the N900 | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | the maps app on the n9 is much better | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | and the drive app on the n9 is excellent | 19:20 |
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| mgedmin | the only irritating things about them are slow startup time and the requirement to have an Ovi account | 19:20 |
| vadimq | any good third party ones? | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | haven't looked | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | I loved maep on the n900 | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | 3rd party apps on the n9 are a bit scarce for now | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | (requirement to have an Ovi account) which again makes it questionable if and how long the apps will function on a system that's aegis-neutered | 19:23 |
| vadimq | If I get this thing, I'll probably remove the aegis thing soon enough, and the discussion above seems to imply most Nokia stuff will stop working. So I guess I'll have to install something else, or figure out a way to denokify the phone | 19:23 |
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| vadimq | At first I pondered removing all the Google stuff from Android, but that doesn't seem practical. And their userland looks very annoying too | 19:25 |
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| * mgedmin wants to know what vadimq would be trying to remove from an OpenMoko phone :) | 19:26 | |
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| vadimq | probably nothing, but last I heard it wasn't very usable, or I'd definitely have one | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I for one am using a N900 | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not one of the ~12 OM devices in my shelf | 19:28 |
| vadimq | Yeah, I was pondering to get an OpenMoko one anyway, when I heard about the N900 and that looked just awesome. And still is, except for the lack of RAM and the "stale NFS handle" stuff | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stale NFS handle? are you using mass storage mode frequently? | 19:35 |
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| vadimq | DocScrutinizer: not very. And it happens on the /home FS, which isn't what gets mounted | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 19:38 |
| vadimq | it seems like the cause is removing the battery while on, or letting it run out of battery | 19:39 |
| woldrich | skimmed through your discussion, so the n9 is as useless as it looks? | 19:39 |
| vadimq | maybe I have a battery calibration issue and it doesn't shut down gracefully. The way I understand it, the mmc storage doesn't cooperate with the filesystem's attempt to maintain consistency | 19:40 |
| woldrich | what's that ovi crap. no one is or wants to use it | 19:40 |
| vadimq | I have no clue, I don't have a single package from ovi on my n900 | 19:40 |
| woldrich | me neither. | 19:40 |
| woldrich | I want another n900, with more ram, a bit faster, and a saner keyboard layout, and then it'd be awesome | 19:42 |
| vadimq | that's the n950 I think, but it doesn't seem to be on sale | 19:43 |
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| vadimq | BBL | 19:44 |
| woldrich | :( | 19:45 |
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| hakkattakk | hi! Is it possible to sync this in calendar? http://crille.org/schema.php?klass=TGNIT-H10- | 20:44 |
| hakkattakk | I canĀ“t find a way to do it | 20:44 |
| hakkattakk | I have a n900 | 20:45 |
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| hakkattakk | nvm | 20:54 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Interesting thread on OC there, thanks for the clear EM explanation :) | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 21:01 |
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| freemangordon | :D | 21:25 |
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| luke-jr_ | xchat is segfaulting :\ | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | any ideas | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | extremely obsolete version did that on auto-complete enabled | 21:46 |
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| ruskie | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/10/19/viking_hybrid_dram_nand/ <-- nice idea | 22:48 |
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| user00 | hi. | 23:01 |
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| user00 | so any n900 owners that use meego or nitdroid as a replacement for maemo ? | 23:05 |
| user00 | are these projects mature enough? | 23:05 |
| user00 | worth the time? what extras to you get buy using these OSs ? | 23:06 |
| piggz | lo devs...is it possible in QML to have an Audio element playing and a SoundEffect playing at the same time?? | 23:06 |
| user00 | by* | 23:07 |
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| user00 | piggz, possible to answer my question ? | 23:08 |
| piggz | user00: i have used meego-ce, but not nitroid on my n900 | 23:08 |
| user00 | piggz : any good apps for it? | 23:09 |
| piggz | user00: meego-ce is ok...a bit slower than maemo, but some good work is being done on it...it is even binary compatible with n9 | 23:09 |
| piggz | probably not as many apps as on maemo | 23:10 |
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| user00 | hmm | 23:11 |
| user00 | i assume many apps would run slowwer on the n900 | 23:11 |
| piggz | why? | 23:11 |
| user00 | nice that you could run binaries compiled for n9 | 23:11 |
| user00 | well, the n9 has "1GHz Cortex A8 CPU, PowerVR SGX530 GPU, TI OMAP 3630 chipset" | 23:12 |
| user00 | and 1gb of ram | 23:12 |
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| user00 | apps that depend on such specs will not run as fast on the n900 | 23:13 |
| piggz | no | 23:13 |
| user00 | please prove otherwise | 23:14 |
| user00 | seems logical to me | 23:14 |
| piggz | i mean, i agree with you | 23:15 |
| rd | Does anybody know, if XEP-0080 is still working on the n900 with azimuth? | 23:15 |
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