IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-10-11

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Siceloso, box, are u getting Nokia Messaging as a provider on yours? i don't00:01
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kerioso... is there a package to install nokia's new nokia tune as a ringtone?00:04
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boxSicelo yeh00:06
boxive tested it, proper push :D00:07
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kerioinfobot: nokiatune is
infobotokay, kerio00:12
kerioinfobot: nokiatune is also WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB00:12
infobotokay, kerio00:12
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infobothmm... nokiatune is  WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB00:12
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derfDocScrutinizer: hildon-desktop definitely doesn't eat 6% of CPU all the time.00:19
derfI doubt think it's a wifi issue, as it happens even when not connected to any network, regardless of where I am.00:20
derfI haven't tried leaving it in airplane mode.00:20
DocScrutinizerderf: so what the heck *is* eating CPU then?00:22
DocScrutinizerderf: I mean, the CPU won't stay in C1 just for fun, no?00:22
derfGot me.00:22
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RST38hmoo, derf00:32
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derfHi RST38h.00:32
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DocScrutinizerderf: I found with busybox tools you're quite lost when it comes to really diagnosing the system - maybe installing and using true top (or htop) could actually help to get a better idea of what's going on00:42
DocScrutinizere.g with htop it's rather simple to get a display of total CPU time each process used up since it's been started00:45
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jieroI just watched a video, seems N900 run faster than Samsung GalaxyII - i9100 . Is that true?00:53
DocScrutinizerderf: top5 sorted by TIME+
DocScrutinizerfor a CSSU system with 6 days uptime00:53
kerioDocScrutinizer: how do i tell infobot not to put full stops after urls when displaying a factoid?00:54
DocScrutinizerdidn't know it does00:54
infobotwell, maemopkg is
infobotnokiatune is, like,  WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB00:55
kerioi used "nokiatune is also foo"00:55
DocScrutinizeris also is a bit awkward00:55
kerioinfobot: nokiatune is WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB00:56
infobot...but nokiatune is already something else...00:56
kerioinfobot: no00:56
MohammadAGfucking dubstep00:56
kerioinfobot: nokiatune is WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB00:56
infobot...but nokiatune is already something else...00:56
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keriofuck you infobot00:56
kerioMohammadAG: just when you thought nokia couldn't make a worse decision than going for w7p00:56
DocScrutinizerinfobot: no, nokiatune is WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB00:56
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer00:56
kerioi bet that was the reason00:56
kerioto distract people from the actual stupidity00:57
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MohammadAGsee, more stupidity doesn't distract you away from stupidity00:58
kerioMohammadAG: yeah, that's another stupid idea :>00:58
MohammadAGalso, unless they pack some 300W bass in phones, this is gonna sound shittier than shit00:58
kerioMohammadAG: but packing 300W subwoofers in a phone is yet another stupid idea!00:59
DocScrutinizerNAH that's brilliant :-D00:59
* DocScrutinizer drools over a phone with a 300W subwoofer01:00
DocScrutinizeractually I'd forget about the phone - just use the subwoofer in a matchbox01:01
DocScrutinizermight get hard to find a 450W USB charger wallwart01:01
MohammadAGa subwoofer in a phone's actually a good idea01:02
MohammadAGyou can dump the vibra motor :p01:02
DocScrutinizeryup, but that's also patented by *me* since 200801:02
keriosilent mode? pff, more like DIRTY BEATZ MODE01:03
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MohammadAGat least this'll be on WP7 phones01:05
MohammadAGlet's just hope Symbian Belle doesn't have it01:05
MohammadAGI should add the ringtone in the CSSU, along with an overclock speakers into subwoofer mode01:05
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depresseddoes anyone have bbc iplayer working on their n900?01:32
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jieroWhat ringtone do you use? Music download from store?   - I have game theme music...01:37
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DocScrutinizerringtone? how's about that incredible marvelous arkanoid theme?
DocScrutinizerit scares away dogs :-P02:05
DocScrutinizerand probably can kill mosquitoes02:05
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DocScrutinizerwell, tbh I got sth only slightly less irritating:
yepagreedWhat's the safest/best way to flash devices for customers?02:10
yepagreedApple products seem to do it pretty seamlessly/safey02:10
yepagreedWhat have you guys learned about this from doing it with n900s?02:11
DocScrutinizernever heard of injuries or fatalities from N900 flashing either02:13
DocScrutinizerof course the ISA platform is a bit more complex to handle all the possible variants you may face than on a Mac02:14
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boxhow do you write é on n900?02:16
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depressedbox write what?02:21
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boxthose things above letters02:21
depressedbox: accents?02:21
boxdepressed lol yeh:P02:21
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DocScrutinizerFn+ctl to invoke virtual onscreen kbd02:25
depressedbox: press the blue arrow (north east facing), then Sym, choose the type of accent, then select the letter02:25
DocScrutinizerpress  '02:25
DocScrutinizerpress e on normal kbd02:25
DocScrutinizerooops, sym of course, not ctl  ;-P02:26
boxthanks depressed & docscrutinizer02:26
boxhow do you guys know this?02:26
depressedbox: got the manual infront of me lol02:26
DocScrutinizerumm, I forgot02:27
depressedAnyone here got iphone 4s and a n900?02:27
DocScrutinizermaybe from there:
yepagreedDocScrutinizer: well, I'm thinking more about fool proof processes02:29
yepagreedSome devices require special drivers to be flashed, for some reason02:29
yepagreedWhile others don't seem to02:29
yepagreed"no" to what?02:30
DocScrutinizerno to  Some devices require special drivers to be flashed, for some reason While others don't seem to02:31
DocScrutinizerat least "no" to my (missing) ability to understand or get the point of this assumption02:32
DocScrutinizerI'll probably need a description of an example case to understand what you're telling me02:33
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dzhobah, irssi fail02:41
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Estel_hello there02:44
Estel_Could anyone tell me, how to enable flight_mode from xterm command (on-device or when ssh'ed)? I know I can achieve almost same thing by running several dbus calls for disabling cellular,wifi,bluetooth etc, but I need flight mode directly...02:45
Estel_I checked , but nothing there about flight/normal mode02:46
Estel_yea. systemui set something from /var/lib/mce/mode, but thats black magic for me. Other things are done simillar way in systemui, and have dbus equivalents available from xterm, so I suppose it's existing, but just undocumented in wiki02:48
Estel_forum searching failed also02:48
Estel_not only to find answer, but even to find questions, so maybe no one needed that before to the point of asking ;)02:49
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HyperSnyperEstel_ i'm pretty new to all this but is this what ur looking for >
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Estel_HyperSnyper,  it seems that it is the thing I was looking for! Must have missed it.03:02
Estel_Thanks a lot!03:02
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Estel_The funniest thing is that I'm actually reading other Jebba wiki page, about his Debian etch (non-working now) repository for Maemo. It's a pity he never incorporated his wikis into mainline wiki, cause searching personal wikis is a whole lot of mess and luck/unluck based thing03:03
HyperSnyperi use google + "site:"03:04
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Estel_HyperSnyper,  yea. You're right, I focused on mainline wiki and forum, just looked briefly at personal wikis. Jebba wrote, that this (his personal dbus) page got merged into mainline wiki - it seems that it's only one command that slipped away, from the process.03:13
Estel_I'll fix that in a while, updating wiki03:14
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Estel_meantime, I wonder if there is any way to "hide" some terminal program from interface? I mean that program is still running in background, but user doesn't see terminal window and can't close it without root and 'kill', on purpose or by accident03:15
Estel_this may be lame question ;)03:15
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Estel_basically, I'm thinking about x11vnc, would love to set it sleeping sometimes, without seeing it in hildon taskbar, with chance to 'x' it accidentally due to vnc lag03:16
nox-you could run your shell in screen...03:17
nox-if the terminal gets killed just reopen it and screen -r03:17
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Estel_thanks, will try03:20
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HyperSnyperanyone know anything of the "GSM Mon - Monitor Status of cell phone connection" app that's listed in PwnPhone's manual > pwnphonemanual.pdf03:51
SpeedEvilit's a stock app03:52
SpeedEvilwell - stock in the repos03:52
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HyperSnyperahh is it really called "netmon"03:57
SpeedEvilno, it's not03:58
SpeedEvilYes it is.03:59
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depressedlord help me reset this bloody phone04:31
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* SpeedEvil is a jealous God.04:33
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DocScrutinizerHyperSnyper: I know netmon has a tendency to segfault a lot05:04
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DocScrutinizerwhat else do you want to know about it?05:04
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SpeedEvilever done that for me.05:07
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depressedAnyone here using the Google Voice plugin (
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depressedAccording to this, - it says "Reduce battery drain by setting your status to Away" - but you physically can't change the status05:47
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EvanescenceI can not open MeBook epub reader now, error: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory. I try to search and install this lib file. but can not find. so does anyone can tell me how to fix it ?06:54
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FIReundont throw tomatoes if I'm asking a question about a really old platform.. but... I have an n770 running 2007he: what I'm trying to do is simply install fbreader to make some use of this old thing, but its stuck looking for libfribidi0 -- I've downloaded the 10.7-4 and 10.9-x versions and the app installer keeps telling me its an incompatible package.. any ideas how to install the right package? I cant find a 10.7-1 of fribidi (same version as fbreader)07:41
FIReunno wifi here, copying files over usb07:42
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DocScrutinizerapt-get install --ignore-missing fbreader ?10:11
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DocScrutinizerFIReun: ^^^10:11
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* DocScrutinizer does wild-guessing10:13
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DocScrutinizerexcept for the probably correct assumption that an app needing 10.7-1 of should usually work just fine with 10.7-4 of xy.so10:15
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Macer:( picking up my still broken n900 from fedex today10:19
Macerfoo fighters aren't that good10:20
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DocScrutinizeralso note the soname should be identical  for and, and your app (fbreader) *should* only check for that soname10:21
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DocScrutinizerFIReun: so my (still wild) guess was you maybe need to run ldconfig, to make the soname link point to the right realname of libfribidi010:31
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edheldilDocScrutinizer:  that shared lib explanation is a nice one, thanks11:25
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DocScrutinizeredheldil: yw11:36
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Nimesh_Accenturehi guys11:46
Nimesh_Accenturehow do i debug native components in maemo?11:46
DocScrutinizererr, as usual11:46
DocScrutinizerwhat's a native component?11:46
Nimesh_Accenturethere's this resource-test.c11:47
DocScrutinizerand how would you _like_ to debug it?11:47
Nimesh_Accenturehow do i debug that? i'm sorry if my question is a bit silly , but i'm new to all this11:48
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Nimesh_Accentureusing GDB11:48
DocScrutinizerfine, so you're set, there's gdb on fremantle11:48
DocScrutinizerruns just fine I've been told - plus there's even a remote variant11:49
Nimesh_Accenturebut as i understand, libresource is part of the platform rite?11:49
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DocScrutinizererr, I dunno libresource11:50
Nimesh_Accenturefor that matter any library part of the maemo platform11:50
Nimesh_Accentureso this not a lib that i'm creating11:50
Nimesh_Accentureits already a part of the platform11:50
DocScrutinizermost libs are oss and thus no problem to debug with gdb for that part11:51
DocScrutinizer |11:51
Nimesh_Accentureya but what shou;d be my environment? a virtual box running a maemo image?11:51
DocScrutinizerbasically exactly like on your ISA PC11:52
Nimesh_Accentureso would a virtual; box image work fine?11:52
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DocScrutinizerwel, the CPU is quite a bit different, the system... NOT11:55
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DocScrutinizerI've seen WinXP and MacOS running on N900, in qemu though11:57
DocScrutinizeror was it winNT?11:57
DocScrutinizerand of course "running" (iirc MacOS needed 2h30 until first window opened)11:58
DocScrutinizeryour environment? The device, or scratchbox12:00
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DocScrutinizer(of course scratchbox on PC won't provide any of the specific hardware interfaces, so e.g. testing a GPS driver was a bit problematic in scratchbox emu)12:02
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DocScrutinizertesting a generic lib however should work12:02
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DocScrutinizerprobably unless it's liblocation or libisi12:03
* DocScrutinizer wonders idly if scratchbox libisi would somehow connect to phone via network and cdc_phonet12:04
DocScrutinizerMEH, gn8 - l8r12:04
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amiconnDocScrutinizer: Hehe "running". Reminds me of trying Win95 in PC-Task on my Amiga back then12:21
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RST38hA pair of seemingly official adverts for Nokia's first Windows Phone handset have been discovered, which give the rumored Sea Ray the extremely dull new product name Nokia N800.16:07
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RST38h(ok, ladies and gentlemen, you can officially throw up now)16:07
* Arkenoi still cannot understand what is the point of reusing model numbers16:08
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RST38hto add insult to the injury for all the current Nokia product users?16:08
ArkenoiRST38h, do you have any idea what's wrong with my devel-sh?16:11
Arkenoi(offtopic here though)16:11
RST38hit has been further limited by their platsec team16:11
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RST38hto keep evil people from harming you, if we are to believ the djs-whatever guy16:11
Arkenoibut how? i do not remember getting any updates.. though there could be.16:12
RST38hhave not been any16:12
Arkenoiso why did it happen and is anyone else affected? :-)16:12
RST38hno idea, I am away from the device right now16:14
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edheldilArkenoi:  what has happened?16:17
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dneary_Someone sent me an email re spam in the Maemo wiki last week16:20
dneary_Reggie, I think?16:20
dneary_There are many wiki admins now - which of them are active in the wiki, I don't know16:21
Arkenoiedheldil, my n950's devel-sh *suddenly* stopped running arbitrary unsigned binaries16:21
dneary_The admins are: amigadave, andre, andrewblack, danielwilms, myself, feri, finni, generalantilles, jacktanner, jaffa, marcell, myrtti, qgil, vdvsx, xfade, zerojay16:22
dneary_And I'll happily add others16:22
dneary_Anyone here care?16:22
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Jaffadneary_: Someone was moaning about spam, IIRC?16:29
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andre__dneary_, I don't think anybody cares. Do you also consider spam?16:44
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libbenanyone knows how to restart gui't on n900 ?16:55
libbengetting att bit sluggish in the menus and everything16:56
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libbendont want to do reboot the device, just the gui16:56
NIN101afaik this is not possible16:56
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libbenright now, i have closed all apps. and so on. But it's really slow now16:57
libbenseveral seconds between "screens" when touching it16:57
ruskiecheck if something is eating the cpu cycles16:57
ruskiesee top in the terminal16:57
libbenwell, nothing weird is going on there16:57
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Sicelolibben: i think killall hildon-desktop as normal user is what u want16:58
Siceloalso, killall hildon-home16:58
Sicelonot as root though16:58
libbenfrom ssh login ?16:58
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Siceloyou can even do it directly on device16:59
NIN101<Sicelo> libben: i think killall hildon-desktop as normal user is what u want17:00
NIN101that's another way to reboot the device17:00
libbeni dont want to reboot it17:00
Sicelono NIN10117:00
NIN101because the watchdogs won't like it, and will reboot the device17:00
Siceloit's as root that it reboots device17:00
Siceloas user, it just re-spawns it17:01
Siceloat least mine does so17:01
NIN101Sicelo: just tested, you are right :-)17:01
libbencant login at my user17:01
libbenmust forgot password17:01
libbenchange password for root at the phone?17:01
libbencause on the phone i just type root17:02
libbenand then i become root17:02
libbenbut i want to login with ssh and printscreen my htop for u17:02
Sicelolibben: don't killall hildon-desktop as root17:02
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libben there is my htop17:04
libbendont understand why ists sluggish as hell17:05
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libbenSicelo: NIN101
libbenany reasons why hildon should act sluggish?17:07
NIN101dunno. And u just don't want to reboot to keep your uptime alive :-)?17:08
libbenim working hard on that one =)17:08
libbeni use my phone everyday and charge it like 1 hour before i leave work and when i go to bed. Otherwise it will die on me..17:09
NIN101I otoh wonder if so much pulseaudio is normal17:09
libbentrying to see how long i can get it running without messing it up =)17:09
libbenpulseaudi is the mediaplayer i presume17:09
libbenwhat is it then?17:10
NIN101it's the sound server17:10
NIN101the N90017:11
libbenyeah, but what is sound server ?17:11
libbenfor the calls?17:11
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NIN101with this thing it's possible to mute one application but not another one17:11
libbenaah... hm17:11
Sicelolibben: also try killing hildon-status-menu17:14
Siceloas user too17:14
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libbenso kill hildon-desktop && hildon-status-menu17:16
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libbenkill hildon-desktop17:20
libbenjust says not found17:20
NIN101killall not kill17:20
Sicelokillall hildon-desktop17:20
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libbenthanks, a little bit faster17:24
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libbenshould i try kill pulseaudio as well and hope for it to restart?17:24
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libbenor, whats the worst thing with killing pulseaudio and i cant get it to start, that my games are not muted where they are supposed to be muted?17:27
libbenor my phonecalls is at a default value every time someone calls?17:27
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edheldilif pulseaudio does not run, you won't hear anything, I think17:28
* Arkenoi tries to figure out why my n900 is much faster after reflash and applying performance hacks and bfs -- either performance hacks work really good or just disabling activesync did the trick17:28
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NIN101pulseaudio should respawn after being killed.17:30
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SpeedEvilreflash makes it faster anyway17:34
SpeedEvilfragmentation is sometimes an issue17:34
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libbenany use of meego on n900 yet or still just fooling around?17:37
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infobotit has been said that omap-oc is  read that!, or and this
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thopiekarhi.. got problems building a theme package on Ubuntu: Have you got any ideas?18:03
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dneary_andre_: I have only been going to the Maemo wiki for spam when asked to do so18:15
andre__ah, ok18:15
dneary_Jaffa, Do you still go to the Maemo wiki?18:15
dneary_Jaffa, If none of the maintainers go, and no-one cares about the content, we should make the wiki read only18:15
dneary_We can do that, you know :)18:16
edheldilthopiekar:  maybe you are are missing hildon macros for automake18:16
andre__the wiki is still in use, so why read-only?18:17
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thopiekarwhere are these hildon macros for automake located? maybe in scratchbox? or libhildon?18:17
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dneary_andre__, Looks to me like the wiki is only in use by smappers18:18
dneary_And why read-only? Because I don't want to get any more weekend emails asking me to revert spam edits :)18:18
timelesssounds logical18:18
dneary_spammers, not smappers18:19
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dneary_Thanks timeless :)18:19
Jaffadneary_: I still go to it; and still use it.18:19
Jaffadneary_: Surely anyone can revert spam edits?18:19
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andre__dneary_, errm, no? see the latest changes - that's definitely not spammers only...18:20
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dneary_andre__, Jaffa, then the people who go & edit it will need to share the maintenance burden18:21
andre__makes sense18:21
Jaffadneary_: I don't disagree - but I'm still not clear why you're having to do it18:21
dneary_Jaffa, And no, reverting (properly) and banning users are sysop privileges18:22
dneary_Jaffa, Just undoing the edit leaves the spam in the history, indexed by Google, and brings you more spammers18:22
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dneary_You need to rollback the revision18:22
dneary_Jaffa, You are an admin, thoughh18:22
JaffaIndeed; which is what I've been clicking18:23
JaffaSo, there needs to be a distributed point-of-contact rather than people emailing you18:23
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Jaffae.g. a mailing list of ppl who can do it18:23
dneary_You can see all the sysops in Special:Users18:23
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dneary_(I think that's the name of the page)18:24
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eijkHi! Is anybody aware of more recent e2fsprogs for the N900? The e2fsck 1.41.3 is ancient and seems to be causing problems on my device.19:16
eijkI was able to copy my filesystem image to desktop and repair it there with
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thopiekarasked that on a ubuntu channel but didn't get any answer.. where is the difference between building a package with pbuilder and dpkg-buildpackage? I am able to build a package via dpkg-buildpackage but it fails in pbuilder (launchpad).. .. what can I do?19:25
thopiekaraah wrong channel :D19:25
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Sc0rpiuswell all I can say from your pastebin is19:30
Sc0rpiusthat your autotools can't locate pkg.m4 and they are not parsing it, that's why you get the syntax error on PKG_CHECK_MODULES19:31
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thopiekarseems to be a missing package!19:33
NIN101eijk: I kind have the feeling that you ran fsck on a partition which was mounted :-)19:34
thopiekarmany thanks Sc0rpius! searched for a solution for hours!19:34
Sc0rpiusseems to be an ugly mixed up environment19:34
Sc0rpiuswell I'd say that your autotools have a different default prefix for packages than pkg-config...19:34
eijkNIN101: Sorry, you are wrong. It's not mounted. I know what I am doing :-)19:34
thopiekarSc0rpius: yes, I'm building hildon-desktop on Ubuntu.. found the missing package, called: pkg-config19:35
NIN101eijk: it's possible to compile a newer version in the sdk.19:35
Sc0rpiuswhy are you building hildon-desktop on Ubuntu?!?!19:35
eijkNIN101: Ok, just thought there might be something in the Community SSU that I didn't spot yet.19:35
eijkIt would be great to also have those core tools updated.19:35
thopiekarWant to use the hildon-desktop on my ASUS T91, which has working graphics drivers on Ubuntu..19:36
NIN101the aging software is probably the most annoying thing in maemo.19:36
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thopiekarI'm actually making on every new Ubuntu release a downgrade for it (the Intel EMGD driver)19:36
Sc0rpiushave you heard of "Ubuntu mobile"?19:37
Sc0rpiusthat already has hildon19:37
thopiekarsome kind of Cordia for Ubuntu..
thopiekaryes but OS200819:37
thopiekaras far as I remember..19:38
Sc0rpiuswell yeah I guess they stopped development of that19:38
thopiekarI think only because Nokia moved to git.. there are code imports in launchpad but they point to old svn url's19:39
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thopiekarI use now smoku's sources and build it in that PPA19:40
thopiekarhildon-desktop seems to work well, just have no themes at the moment19:40
Sc0rpiusok let's say you install hildon and all that stuff19:40
Sc0rpiusthat Asus T91 is a tablet?19:40
Sc0rpiusI'll give you one week and you'll wipe it19:41
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Sc0rpiusthe lack of software thought to use by finger touch will drive you nuts19:42
thopiekarthe ASUS T91 is a netbook+tablet (convertable)19:42
thopiekarthats what the [T]91 stands for..19:43
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thopiekarI also found out that hildon-theme-slicer is broken when build in amd6419:44
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thopiekarSc0rpius: but I haven't thought about that problem with the keyboard before.. I mean I have not much problems while having a keyboard but pure tables would need a usb-keyboard..19:47
thopiekarisn't there a project providing a input plugin for hildon?19:47
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Sc0rpiuspure tablets don't really need USB keyboards...19:51
Sc0rpiusI mean I have an Android tablet and it's fine without a keyboard19:51
Sc0rpiusbecause the whole thing was designed to not have a physical keyboard, all the apps, all the user interface, etc.19:52
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thopiekarsure all I would need to add now would be a on-screen keyboard which shows up like on my N900 when clicking on a textfield19:56
thopiekarI'm sure I saw such a project on the net19:56
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Venemo_N900thopiekar, there are many19:57
thopiekarfound it
thopiekarwhich would be the best for a Ubuntu system? , Venemo_N90019:57
Venemo_N900thopiekar, I have no idea. there is hildon-input-method which may or may not work, but isn't maintained, or maliit which is used in Meego and Harmatta19:59
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thopiekarthat could be useful for the beginning:
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NIN101~seen jonwil20:10
infobotjonwil <> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 4d 3h 41m 30s ago, saying: 'I cant find anything about that anywhere'.20:10
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Tenkawaanyone know offhand if the n800 hardware drivers ever made it to the mainstream kernel?21:16
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dzhointeresting question22:06
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dzhoI'd take "made it to the mainstream kernel" to mean, as in source code.22:07
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dzhothough the kernel does carry binary blobs now too, doesn't it?  That's as far as it would probably have gone for n800-specific hardware, if I had to guess.22:07
dzhoand I do (have to guess, that is).22:07
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Corsachmhm, does “connection refused / security block" rings a bell to someone (connection to n900 via bluetooth)23:15
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edheldil_Hi, I am using pyside with phonon to play sound. That works. But audioOutput.setVolume(...) does not work and the sound always plays on full volume. What am I doing wrong?23:18
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DocScrutinizerusing phonon maybe?23:19
DocScrutinizerphonon makes me want to go vomiting whenever I try to configure my KDE in a way it doesn't suck, regarding audio23:21
edheldil_ha ha. There's not other working audio interface in python+qt23:21
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edheldil_... on n90023:21
DocScrutinizerphonen feels like PA-mindfsck^223:22
RST38hMan, you vomit a lot23:22
RST38hMaybe switching to FreeBSD/Xfce/dsp0 will help?23:22
edheldil_anyway, there's not replacement, so regardless of it suckiness, I would like to get it work23:23
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ThreeMmzanetti ?23:29
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