| MohammadAG | (the raw .vcf file is unmreged, negative) | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's once again thoroughly messed up, as usual - and of course closed as usual | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway ->#harmattan | 00:01 |
| * RST38h does not understand why we should keep harmattan discussion separate | 00:01 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, Aegis prevents outside discussion | 00:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer doesn't see how harmattan discussion would help a bit on fremantle/diablo themes | 00:02 | |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Ahhaha :) | 00:02 |
| * RST38h no longer sees any Diablo around which btw is sad | 00:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it's quite to the point: due to aegis QML is basically the only 'working' development environment on HARM, and afaik we got no QML on fremantle | 00:03 |
| * RST38h would not call QML "working", in its current state | 00:04 | |
| RST38h | Anyway, basic Qt also works for me | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why the " are there | 00:04 |
| RST38h | And there is also SDL | 00:04 |
| * RST38h just came by photos of Cardiff on Saturday night. Cthulhu, please, let me unsee this... | 00:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | when I look at chanlogs of last 3 months or so, I'd guess 98% of what'S discussed here about fremantle doesn't apply at all to HARM, and vice versa | 00:05 |
| RST38h | Although it does explain Brits' behaviour at .BG resorts... | 00:05 |
| RST38h | Doc: We can remove -M now. And just call it Maemo6. | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sorry? | 00:06 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: yes, the adaptors are different, they're embedded in the laptops | 00:07 |
| Corsac | so I guess there's an issue on the x201, but I don't really know where | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Doc: It is Meego no longer, just Harmattan or Maemo6 | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, #harmattan always been #harmattan | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's never been maemo nor meego in my book | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you can argue it's maemo6 internally | 00:09 |
| RST38h | BTW, first glimpses of IceCream Sandwich reference phone are out | 00:09 |
| Corsac | nexus prime? | 00:10 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 00:10 |
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| MohammadAG | android naming got ridiculous after honeycomb | 00:10 |
| RST38h | Although Samsung and Google have cancelled the Oct11 revealing event for some reason | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then the similarities between maemo5 and maemo6 are maybe less than those between maemo6 and meegoCE | 00:10 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: No more ridiculous than Ubuntu naming | 00:10 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Yes, I fully understand that using Lovecraftian names would be so much more appropriate, but geeks are toothless nowadays... | 00:11 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Have you managed to fix your N950's heating problem BTW? | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah, replacement arrives tomorrow | 00:13 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Quim helped? Or some other method? | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | sent it back on sunday, it reached finland on tuesday | 00:14 |
| RST38h | Cool to know that someone still cares... | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, emailed ddp.program and they forwarded it to someone | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | they were two actually | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | Jewish holidays haven't been helpful | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | I could've got it on friday | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | and Israeli security delayed it today | 00:15 |
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| RST38h | At least you know it will not explode!=) | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | oh yeah, should've mentioned that on the package I sent | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | Package may or may not explode | 00:17 |
| RST38h | ...if left unattended. | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, you know | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | I forgot to reflash it before I sent it | 00:17 |
| kerio | D: | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | so I used Settings - Clear device | 00:18 |
| kerio | now they're going to see your donkey porn | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | it powered off in 5 minutes | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | then it wouldn't boot up | 00:18 |
| RST38h | Ahhahaha | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | with a reset icon covering the whole screen | 00:18 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: mission accomplished | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | so I slapped the black protector on the screen | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | put it in it's box, then in the DHL pink patent pending box | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | and sent it back | 00:20 |
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| maher | i just put a new sdcard in my n900, and it snot being recognized on boot- though I can mount it successfully after boot | 01:34 |
| maher | its formatted as ext3, and I previously had one in there that was also ext3 and worked fine | 01:35 |
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| maher | in fact the n900 seems confused about the naming of the mmc devices - cat /proc/partitions seems inconsistent with df -h | 01:35 |
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| x29a | docscrutinizer: i plan on distributing the library, but i could as well distribute the source, its all open | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maher: if uSD is present, it gets detected as mmcblk0 during kernel init, later gets renamed - but that rename doesn'T take global effect. You found a location that shows the original situation | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | maher: if the card is not recognized, first of all make sure it got a proper partition table. Then also I dunno what's current state about automounting ext3 | 01:50 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: it used to work on the old ext3 sdcard - somehow something's different with the new one - I had to alter some stuff in /etc | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | see my last post | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik superfloppy format isn't supported (I.E. mounting mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk1p1) | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | depending on who formatted the card, with which parameters, it may be superfloppy format without any proper partition table | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll be able to tell from syslog/dmesg which should detect partitions as well as basic phy device | 01:54 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: cfdisk seems happy with the partition table | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course you can check with any *fdisk tool | 01:54 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: thre's a single partition, formatted with ext3 | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's not that | 01:55 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: you are right - the first dmesg entries give mmcblk0 to the sdcard and mmcblk1 to the internal | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above I'm not quite sure about current state of automounting of ext3 - it for sure wasn'T implemented in PR1.0 - 1.2(?) | 01:56 |
| maher | [ 885.355529] EXT3-fs error (device mmcblk0): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 128 not in group (block 0)! | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 01:56 |
| maher | by the time it hits that mmcblk0/1 must have been switched | 01:56 |
| maher | [ 946.954833] EXT3 FS on mmcblk0p1, internal journal | 01:57 |
| maher | but there even though I mounted it as mmcblk1p1 its still called mmcblk10p1 | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, kernel knows the real names | 01:58 |
| maher | df -h gives: /dev/mmcblk1p1 58.5G 47.0G 8.6G 84% /media/mmc1 | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm, 64GB card? | 01:59 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: yes | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not sure if those work at all | 01:59 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: works just fine | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you got a weird definition of "just fine" | 02:01 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: ok - I can mount it and read write from it after boot - it just won't mount automatically on boot | 02:01 |
| maher | osso-af-init/af-defines.sh: export MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/media/mmc1' MMC_DEVICE_FILE='/dev/mmcblk1p1' <-- should this be mmcblk0p1 then? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's userland, where the renamed namespace applies | 02:02 |
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| maher | which bit of etc is actuallly trying to mount the mmmc? | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question, probably /sbin/preinit | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | though device detection etc is done in kernel very early in bootup/kernel-init, and probably unrelated to any /etc or whatever | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that error at 885.3555 really looks scary | 02:07 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: that's almost certainly because it is trying to mount the wrong device | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least I've never seen that one before, and it pretty much sounds like a geometry or partition start or size-overflow issue | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, trying to mount mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk1p1 may cause such an error, I guess | 02:08 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: I want it to mount mm-p1 not mm- | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 02:09 |
| maher | i can reproduce the error by manuualy try to mount mmcblk1 instead of mmcblkp1 | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look at the error though: >> EXT3-fs error (device mmcblk0): ext3_check_descriptors: << | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much :-) | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while mmcblk1p1 gets its geometry/size info from a partition table, mmcblk1 mount has to rely on hw-info read out from device-descriptor of the uSD | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | this device descriptor may differ between uSD cards | 02:12 |
| maher | umm... ok? | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ? | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just saying. | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | while most 32GB device-descriptor "tables" are parsed correctly, this might not apply for 64GB | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (talking outa my arse now) | 02:15 |
| maher | how do i find out what the hw-info is? it would also be useful to know exactly which bit of the startup stuff is trying to mount thte mmc.... | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway SD-HC ends at 32GB | 02:16 |
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| maher | ok - this seems trickier to fix - i need to find the bit that parses the hw-info and then update it it parse 64G cards directly? | 02:19 |
| maher | as a gross hack would adding a mount /medmia/mmc1 to the end of /etc/event.d/rcS-late mount the thing? | 02:20 |
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| maher | DocScrutinizer: gross hack gets it mounted - it still says corrupt card on boot and doesn't like it under settings->memory card, but everything esle works fine... | 02:26 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: i uspect fixing the hw-info parser is beyond my competence - but thanks a lot for your help! | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | maher: i | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | cheated | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | i added my mount script to sudoers (the sudoers generation thing specifically) and then used queen-beecon to launch it | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | (at startup) | 02:28 |
| NIN101 | the yellow "corrupt card" message can be "fixed" by simply adding an if in osso-mmc-mount.sh and exit the script | 02:28 |
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| Scifig | I cleaned/uninstalled QtSDK and installed the latest version in Ubuntu. Now I am missing Fremantle as a target (only Desktop, Harmattan and Remote Compiler are available). How can I add Fremantle PR1.3 target? | 03:06 |
| Venemo | Scifig, run the SDK maintenance tool, and check the checkbox for the Maemo 5 toolchain | 03:10 |
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| Scifig | Venemo, Thanks. I didn't look under Development Tools menu option. | 03:12 |
| Venemo | Scifig :) | 03:14 |
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| maher | sound seems to have stopped working on my n900 - any suggestions? | 03:35 |
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| ShadowJK | headphone sound also broken? headphone or headset icon showed with headphones disconnected / connected? sound with tvout? | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | sound during phonecall, with/without speakerphone? | 03:41 |
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| maher | ShadowJK: headphone icon appears when plug in headphone - no sound from any speakers or headphone | 03:45 |
| maher | should i have a /dev/dsp? | 03:45 |
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| maher | ok - i restarted pulseaudio and the sound works - but the slider voluem control does not.... | 03:53 |
| maher | mplayer works - but the media player does not... | 03:54 |
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| * ShadowJK "d probably reboot | 03:56 | |
| maher | i am turning things on off continually, but still no sound | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | mafw maybe | 04:00 |
| maher | what's the right way to restart pulseaudio? pulseaudio -D --system? | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | maher: hav eyou tried reflashing? | 04:03 |
| maher | SpeedEvil: no - won't that nuke most of my settings? | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:04 |
| maher | SpeedEvil: :( | 04:04 |
| maher | ooo - finally rebooted with sound! | 04:04 |
| maher | that makes maybe 10 no sound boots in a row - normally i only have to reboot 2-4 times... | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not sure there's a correct way to restart pulseaudio in the context of maemo :P | 04:05 |
| Venemo | funny excerpt from another channel: | 04:06 |
| Venemo | [01:34] <TSCHAKeee> X just needs to fucking DIE | 04:06 |
| Venemo | [01:34] <TSCHAKeee> DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | maher: sounds like you thoroughly messed up some initscripts? | 04:06 |
| Venemo | [01:34] <TSCHAKeee> alt.x.window.system.has.had.its.time.now.die.die.die | 04:06 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: then why does it work intermittently? | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | race on concurrently started services? e.g. on mounting /opt? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you optified PA? | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno, there's a number of ways | 04:08 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: i don't know what that means - how would I found out if i had done that? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash and see if the problem's gone | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | then bisect your tweaks to system you've done, until you find out what broke the sound | 04:09 |
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| maher | DocScrutinizer: its actually done this for as long as i can remember - even after the last time i reflashed - i've just never had so may reboots before sound worked... | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas this approach is not always working when facing race issues | 04:10 |
| maher | well - my current solutions is to avoid turning the phone off as much as possible | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's most likely a hw defect then, as it's not a commonly known issue with stock PR1.3 | 04:10 |
| Venemo | maher, this happened to me too some time ago. | 04:11 |
| Venemo | maher, reflash solved it | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: maher says reflash didn't help for him | 04:12 |
| Venemo | hmm | 04:12 |
| Venemo | warranty repair? | 04:12 |
| maher | Venemo: i just can't face reinstalling all the settings - I did reflash once a long time ago but it didn't seem to help with this problem | 04:12 |
| Venemo | hmm | 04:12 |
| maher | Venemo: heh - i think its a bit old for thta | 04:12 |
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| Venemo | maher, :( | 04:13 |
| Venemo | maher, mine will get to that age this december. :( | 04:13 |
| maher | anyway - sound works now - and i know how to restart pulseaudio - interstingly restarting pulseaudio and then turning off/on gave me a boot with working sound - so i will try this infuture | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you reflashed once, long ago, then I'd strongly recommend to do it again right now. Not restore any apps or whatever from your backups you of course do before you flash, and see how device behaves with a clean fresh 1.3 flash | 04:14 |
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| maher | DocScrutinizer: how do i find my current flash image? | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 04:15 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1.3 is your current image | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should do proper backups both with stock app and with backupmenu | 04:16 |
| maher | ok - I'm going to have to be more desperate before i reflash... | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | copy your whole eMMC content (or at very least MyDocs) to your PC as well | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bad approach | 04:17 |
| maher | what gets corrupt? | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no sound on 9 out of 10 boots, on a *phone*, how much worse can it get? | 04:18 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: :( | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | any worse and I'd stop considering to fix things, and rather kill the device | 04:18 |
| Venemo | OMG! returning to N900 from N950 isn't that bad. 32GB!!! hey! | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed :-D | 04:19 |
| Venemo | I just copy a BUNCH of music. then A LOT! then a HELLALOTOFMUSIC! and it isn't filled yet :) | 04:20 |
| RST38h | I am still using n900 | 04:20 |
| Venemo | also, USB speed is a lot faster. | 04:20 |
| RST38h | n950has got too buggy firmware for now | 04:20 |
| Venemo | N900 is just better quality | 04:21 |
| Venemo | and N9 is ridicuolus. | 04:21 |
| RST38h | why? | 04:22 |
| Venemo | no keyboard | 04:22 |
| Venemo | dead OS | 04:22 |
| Venemo | etc... | 04:22 |
| RST38h | Maemo5 is also dead | 04:22 |
| RST38h | deader than maemo6in fact | 04:22 |
| Venemo | yeah, but Maemo 5 is at least stable | 04:22 |
| Venemo | actually, N9's release firmware is 34-1, which sounds the same as N950's 34-2. | 04:23 |
| Venemo | If I haven't found a dozen of bugs in 34-2 then I haven't found any. | 04:23 |
| RST38h | Have you seen the list of bugs found in WP7 btw? | 04:24 |
| RST38h | Maemo6 is dead stableby comparison | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, m5 is really virulent compared to m6 | 04:26 |
| * SpeedEvil is conflicted. | 04:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | A paid app-store that actually works is clearly a positive. | 04:28 |
| RST38h | really? | 04:28 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, virulent in what way? | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | It works better than the n900s did, and has more apps shortly ater launch. | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a *real* linux OS, with full root access. It has a rather great community, even CSSU. Tons of apps. A mature concept. While m6 was christened "Meego" and Meego been declared dead 2 days after N9 birth | 04:28 |
| RST38h | Yoo, RMS has danced on Jobs'es still warm remains | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | If it leads to more widespread upake of n9s, ... | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | vivid, if you prefer | 04:29 |
| RST38h | Doc: Don't you remember how they killed community when they switched to Meego? | 04:29 |
| RST38h | Doc: New corporate website, separate "professional" forum, convoluted build system, etc? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know, but a good community is hard to kill completely | 04:30 |
| RST38h | What is the use for this community when its main subject is dead? | 04:30 |
| RST38h | You are pretty much turning into ..mhm... Amiga nuts =) | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? I'm quite happy my 2 N900 are both alive | 04:30 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer :) | 04:31 |
| Venemo | fortunately, this will all shortly change with Mer and the CE. | 04:31 |
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| * maher hopes his next phone will run vanilla debian | 04:31 | |
| * maher and the sound will work on > 90% of boots | 04:31 | |
| RST38h | Venemo: Won't | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm not going to bin them cause some friggin manager decided M6 is hyoe of the month, or maybe melt-me or wp7 or whatever | 04:32 |
| Venemo | RST38h, why is that | 04:32 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Neither Mer nor CE provide a complete usable software stack | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, there was this friggin sound issue where some PA libs were optified? | 04:32 |
| Venemo | RST38h, yet. | 04:32 |
| RST38h | And, to be frank, nobody really needs just another Linux distro that boots into command line | 04:32 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Not evet | 04:32 |
| RST38h | ever | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | which killed PA on shakehands playback | 04:32 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Do check the official goals of both Mer and CE | 04:33 |
| Venemo | RST38h, ok, Mer is clear, but what's wrong with the CE? | 04:34 |
| RST38h | same thing + the fact that its corporate sponsors have abandoned it | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: nobody needs just another linux mockup that allows just running of wallpaper-picker and fart apps written in QML, either | 04:34 |
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| RST38h | Doc: that too, but M6 does allow way more than that | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAH | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | M6 is a comedy of a linux system | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a poor annoying persiflage | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I agree in many ways. | 04:37 |
| Venemo | heh. | 04:37 |
| RST38h | ah you ingrateful punks | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Least bad' | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and all the fools go "Hooray, I'm so happy I can't access XY any more, as that's the only way I see to forbid fictive malware to access XY" | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Barring obtaining 10 million pounds or so of spare cash to make a decent stab at an open phone. | 04:38 |
| RST38h | you do understand that by removing just a couple of things artifically bolted onto it, you get a better m5? | 04:38 |
| RST38h | Doc: Not all. Just one fool. And he appears to have a career interest in it. | 04:39 |
| Venemo | djszapi has quit the aegis team recently. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The remaining issues are what happens tothe release n9 image if you replace the kernel. | 04:39 |
| RST38h | Venemo: See? I was right. | 04:40 |
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| Venemo | RST38h, well, nope. | 04:41 |
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| Venemo | in any case, I seriously need to get some sleep now | 04:43 |
| Venemo | so, good night folks :) | 04:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks the one out of 10 boots of maher's N900 where PA was working, probably was the one where the system rebooted without playing shaking-hands again and maher also avoided to cause any early ts-click or other audio, prior to /opt being mounted so PA could load the optified plugins | 04:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, maybe he reads the chanlog evetually | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not even be surprised if mounting of eMMC was concurrent to pin-query/shakehands-movie so finally it's actually a race. Exactly what I said | 04:50 |
| RST38h | Ahhaha | 04:51 |
| RST38h | http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/10/10/2011101000485.html !!! | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | bait missing | 04:52 |
| RST38h | "We thought it would be improper to hold a large celebratory event when one of our biggest rivals has lost its founder," Samsung said. "Although we're entangled in a bitter legal battle over intellectual property rights against Apple, we need to observe propriety." | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://onespot.wsj.com/business/2011/10/06/5cbcb/nokias-elop-legacy-of-steve-jobs-to | 04:54 |
| * RST38h notices that Doc is awake at 4:54am | 04:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so jobs kicked Samsung in the nuts even by conveniently chosen date of death? | 04:54 |
| RST38h | Yeah, isn't this the ultimate proof that Jobs is God? | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's as much no proof of this as suicide-bombing is | 04:56 |
| RST38h | How dare you to question the godliness of Jobs! | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the death cause was "natural" the it's at best a slight proof for Jobs knowing a certain level of yoga | 04:57 |
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| Psi | how do you get around the issue of the n900 automatically connecting to the MMS apn sometimes instead of the internet one? | 07:56 |
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| kerio | Psi: only have one apn? | 08:08 |
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| Psi | kerio: fmms sets up its own one for mms messages | 08:23 |
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| woldrich | I've successfully bricked my n900 again | 08:50 |
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| iuuso | congrats :) | 08:53 |
| iuuso | i have bricked my n900 only once. | 08:53 |
| Psi | it is unbrickable without too much trouble? | 08:54 |
| Psi | im guessing ya just need to reload the boot firmware over jtag or something | 08:54 |
| iuuso | if by bricked you mean you have to flash your n900? | 08:54 |
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| Psi | i would consider it bricked if either, you need to buy/make special hardware to fix | 08:56 |
| * dm8tbr considers 'bricked' to be "can't be fixed without involvement of special hardware and or experts" | 08:56 | |
| Psi | yeah | 08:56 |
| iuuso | ok | 08:57 |
| iuuso | good to know | 08:57 |
| dm8tbr | but nowadays it seems to be general populace consensus, that "It doesn't boot to UI" means "totally bricked" | 08:57 |
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| Psi | its bricked if its as useful as a brick to 95% of the population :P | 08:57 |
| iuuso | :) | 08:58 |
| amiconn | Psi: Just don't let it connect automatically to the cellular network | 08:58 |
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| Psi | amiconn: i need that for latitude to work | 09:06 |
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| psychologe | hello ,im microB ,i can't use shift+backspace to forward page,has someone same problem | 10:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hmm | 11:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | N900 keyboard is more usable than N950 keyboard | 11:08 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
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| woldrich | If I want to get what n900 is, but 'the next step', what would that be? I need a real keyboard | 11:36 |
| andre__ | n950, which is not publically available. so: nothing. | 11:36 |
| woldrich | :( | 11:37 |
| woldrich | perhaps I should buy another one. or two | 11:37 |
| woldrich | so I have hardware when they'll vanish from the market. it's such a beautiful little device, can use it for basicly everything | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie | Hi #maemo. | 11:49 |
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| merlin1991 | Hey crashanddie | 11:50 |
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| robbiethe1st | Has anyone had any trouble with OCing on PK V49? Like, 'kernel-config lock freq volt dsp' not working quite correctly? | 13:15 |
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| mece | any bash wizards around? | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | mece, ask away | 13:43 |
| mece | I have a string, "4", now I want to loop something as many times as the number in the string. | 13:44 |
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| crashanddie | number="4"; i=0; while [ $i -lt $number ] ; do echo foo; let i=$((i+1)); done | 13:46 |
| mece | ok thanks. | 13:49 |
| mece | the -lt bit, is that some data type magic? | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | -lt == less than | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | bash does not have data types | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | so "4" is exactly the same as 4 | 13:51 |
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| edheldil | mece: actually, with a bit of luck: for i in `seq 1 4` ; do ... done | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: bash does not have data types?? | 14:18 |
| balrog-k1n | it has a | 14:18 |
| balrog-k1n | oops | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | except, edheldil, that's a stupid answer | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it doesn't *need* data types, and everything is a string in expressions, as the whole thing is a plain text interpreter | 14:18 |
| balrog-k1n | it has strings and arrays at least | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has intergers as well | 14:19 |
| edheldil | crashanddie: why so? | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | edheldil, `` spawns a new process, and looking at this channel name, you really don't want to do process spawning on mobile devices for no good reason. | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | it's like people who do cat foo.txt | grep something | 14:20 |
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| edheldil | nowhere he says that it has to run on the phone | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # help declare | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | declare: declare [-aAfFilrtux] [-p] [name[=value] ...] | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Set variable values and attributes. | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ... | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | -a to make NAMEs indexed arrays (if supported) | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | -A to make NAMEs associative arrays (if supported) | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | -i to make NAMEs have the `integer' attribute | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | -l to convert NAMEs to lower case on assignment | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | -r to make NAMEs readonly | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | but yes, that's all strictly optional | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: see bash help test | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | arg1 OP arg2 Arithmetic tests. OP is one of -eq, -ne, | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | -lt, -le, -gt, or -ge. | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | STRING1 < STRING2 | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | True if STRING1 sorts before STRING2 lexicographically. | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | or if comparing non-integer values: != and ==, < and > | 14:23 |
| __trine | has anyone got a link to where I can download PYRIT for my N900? | 14:24 |
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| fizzie | Bash also has a "does-arithmetic-evaluation-for-the-expressions-by-default" for loop: for (( i=0; i<4; i++ )); do echo $i; done | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: so in bash everything starts as a string, and operators/context does implicit typecasting/conversions | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fizzie: yup, a much missed feature in plain shell (like messybox) | 14:26 |
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| robbiethe1st | Just a note: I've used `` quite a bit; no noticable slowdown compared to $(cmd) or w/e. | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's expected, it's just an alternative of the lexical analyzer | 14:28 |
| balrog-k1n | robbiethe1st: $(cmd) will most likely also spawn a process, i guess if you do while xxx; it can optimise by calling the internal implementation of xxx if available | 14:28 |
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| balrog-k1n | so that's why it may sometimes be a little faster | 14:29 |
| robbiethe1st | I guess...I don't think we have that many internal implementations of things, at least on Busybox, though | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the big advantage of () is you got no nesting problems | 14:29 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean, we have to use seq... for for loops! | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | seq for loops is insane | 14:30 |
| crashanddie | robbiethe1st, bash is bash, whether it's on busybox or another environment | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it expands to an awfully long string in linebuffer | 14:30 |
| robbiethe1st | But bash != ash | 14:30 |
| crashanddie | true, but OP asked about "bash" explicitly | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox is NOT bash! all but bash | 14:31 |
| robbiethe1st | Built-in shell on the N900 is ash, which is a part of busybox. You have to explicitly install bash...yeah | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | which was pretty much first thing I did, on N900 as well as on SHR ;-) | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as, you know: | 14:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Heh. I don't think I've bothered to install it | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 14:32 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 14:32 |
| robbiethe1st | I just worked around the limitations | 14:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, yeah, I learned something new today: Flashing PR1.0 onto a later-PR device, then loading up a PR1.3 rootfs/opt... the only thing that won't work is the cellmodem, and a flash with --flash-only=cmt fixes that properly. Sure, it's the expected outcome, but it actually /works/ that way. | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think the leaked-pr12 fix was along that line | 14:40 |
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| Corsac | grmbnl, so my bug might be in n900 firmware in fact | 15:34 |
| Corsac | it might be https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4835 | 15:34 |
| povbot | Bug 4835: Bump GTK+ version to 2.12 | 15:34 |
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| * andre__ slaps povbot | 15:35 | |
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| Corsac | definitely | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Anaheim Union High School District has killed a controversial incentive program that assigned students color-coded ID cards and planners based on state test scores, required those who performed poorly to stand in a separate lunch line and awarded the others with discounts. | 15:40 |
| jaska | sounds kinda nasty | 15:42 |
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| Kowalczyk | hmm im having a question. I used my mac to connect to the works wlan. and got the certificate and stuff and exported it and then put it on my n900 and installed it. but when I connect I get a certificate password? what is this? | 15:50 |
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| Kowalczyk | or is it some other way to fix it? | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | Oh yeaaaahh: http://gizmodo.com/5848209/biker-gang-raids-apple-store | 16:22 |
| __trine | I have just installed subversion natively on my N900 but it segs faults has any one any idea why this might be? | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Maybe installing subversion natively has been a bad idea? | 16:25 |
| __trine | well its part of fremantle | 16:25 |
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| __trine | fremantle/tools free non-free | 16:25 |
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| __trine | is anyone here prepared to help me get scratchbox working on my PC | 16:26 |
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| __trine | RST38h, is that it? just a negative comment? | 16:37 |
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| balrog-k1n | how else would you install svn? :) | 16:43 |
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| __trine | Nokia-N900:~# svn | 16:43 |
| __trine | Segmentation fault | 16:43 |
| __trine | could this be because I have the power kernel installed? | 16:44 |
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| sat2050 | no | 16:44 |
| sat2050 | its an error with one of the libraries | 16:45 |
| balrog-k1n | i'd try stracing or gdb'ing | 16:45 |
| balrog-k1n | but it might not get you any closer in some cases | 16:45 |
| sat2050 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70570&highlight=svn+segmentation+fault | 16:47 |
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| __trine | reading | 16:49 |
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| crashanddie | sat2050, strace it | 16:56 |
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| __trine | found the answer :) | 17:00 |
| __trine | thanks | 17:00 |
| sat2050 | :) | 17:02 |
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| sat2050 | i left working on svn | 17:03 |
| sat2050 | now i just use hamachi to connect to my box and use svn thr | 17:03 |
| __trine | I would love to be able to compile for the n900 on my PC | 17:03 |
| sat2050 | you can do that | 17:04 |
| sat2050 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK | 17:05 |
| __trine | sat2050, I have done most of that and installed it but I dont think I have it working | 17:06 |
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| __trine | now I have svn working I have now been able to compile pyrit ok | 17:08 |
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| __trine | pyrit is needed for wifite | 17:09 |
| sat2050 | i stopped working on maemo development | 17:11 |
| sat2050 | i dont have a development env for it right now | 17:11 |
| __trine | i mainly compile for my router | 17:12 |
| sat2050 | so i dont know how much help can i be of | 17:12 |
| sat2050 | ok | 17:12 |
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| chem|st | does anyone have EXP with gemote? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st | 17:24 |
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| adrianuy | I can't install Cleven | 17:51 |
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| _trine | cleven is in the repos | 17:53 |
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| adrianuy | Yes it's | 17:54 |
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| adrianuy | Messaging is that i need: wirless-tools | 17:56 |
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| Seta00 | this is probably quite exotic, but can I play a MP3 directly from the terminal? | 18:06 |
| Seta00 | or alternatively, can I have two instances of music player running simultaneously? | 18:06 |
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| _trine | adrianuy, why dont you install wireless-tools apt-get update; apt-get install wireless-tools | 18:07 |
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| adrianuy | i can't find wireless-tools in repos | 18:14 |
| x29a | do you have extras enabled? | 18:15 |
| adrianuy | Extras Maemo or Maemo Extras-devel | 18:16 |
| x29a | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/wireless-tools/30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5/ | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seta00: you can play .wav with command pay-sound | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | play-sound | 18:17 |
| x29a | Seta00: http://www.mpg123.de/ | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | for mp3 you'll need a decoder | 18:17 |
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| Seta00 | thanks | 18:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, Netflix basically did 3 months worth of handwaving for . . . nothing? | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who's netflix? | 18:29 |
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| _trine | does anyone here use SMSCON? the SMSCON editer is asking for a passwd when I run it and I'm not sure which passwd it wants | 19:08 |
| Sicelo | 12345 iirc | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall the password got mentioned somewhere on that app's project homepage or sth | 19:13 |
| Sicelo | and DocScrutinizer is right :) | 19:13 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: moo... | 19:13 |
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| * Sicelo lost his sylus today. thought i was going to have heart attack. luckily, found it later under a car seat | 19:14 | |
| Sicelo | *stylus | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, stylus | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are 3 for 20$ or sth ;-P | 19:14 |
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| _trine | Sicelo, you are correct,, where is that documented ? thank you | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so yeah, you'd really think they gone mad about asking that much for 0.8g of plastic, but hey | 19:16 |
| Sicelo | _trine: where DocScrutinizer said. i forget url, and unfortunately am not in a position to check for u right now. iirc it's in wiki | 19:17 |
| * Sicelo whishes infobot was linked to wiki as it is for bug reports | 19:17 | |
| _trine | oh sorry DocScrutinizer I never noticed you reply very sorry | 19:19 |
| _trine | your* | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 19:19 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 19:19 |
| Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON_Editor | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Smscon | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 19:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer cackles at >># (DO NOT edit the encrypted user settings below, use SMSCON-editor or SMSCON!)<< | 19:24 | |
| * DocScrutinizer starts strace SMSCON to decode the "ENCRYPTION" | 19:25 | |
| * DocScrutinizer is too lazy to read the sourcecode of SMSCON to learn the "encryption key" | 19:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh well, on a device where each idiot thief can install rootsh, it's probably actually useful to somewhat obfuscate the password | 19:28 |
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| Sicelo | by the way, besides killall/kill, what else can i se to end a runaway process? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 19:31 |
| Sicelo | either of those doesn't kill the process :( | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kill -sigint -sigstop -sigterm -sigkill | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill -9 is very popular, aka kill -sigkill | 19:32 |
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| Sicelo | ah, thanks. | 19:33 |
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| Sicelo | i never used the kill -9 before, as a plain kill usually worked | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill -l | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kill doesn't inderstand --help, so a simple "kill" (w/o parameters) gets you a short usage help line | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | man kill also always an idea | 19:36 |
| edheldil | I once did killall apache ... on a SystemV server, where killall kills all the proccesses of a current user ... i.e. root in that case :) | 19:37 |
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| Sicelo | true that DocScrutinizer, about rtfm ;) just that it's my N900 that needed it, and am on the move :) | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sun, not sysV | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, HPUX? | 19:40 |
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| _trine | I have just run pyrit benchmark on my N900 its running at 27 PMKs/s | 20:01 |
| _trine | and my computer runs at 180000 PMKS/s | 20:01 |
| _trine | :) | 20:01 |
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| ale152 | hello | 20:12 |
| ale152 | why can't I find dh_make in my scratchbox? | 20:12 |
| ale152 | mh, maybe missin symlink | 20:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, did you see this? http://laughingsquid.com/the-call-of-cthulhu-as-a-dr-suess-style-childrens-book/ | 21:48 |
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| depressed | is maemo ever going to be updated? | 22:23 |
| faina | There's the community support | 22:23 |
| faina | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 22:24 |
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| depressed | thanks for that | 22:24 |
| faina | Other than that, there's basically a debate -- go back and base things on community distro like debian, or follow the corporations to tizen. | 22:25 |
| depressed | is it worth going onto meego - if it's even possible? | 22:25 |
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| faina | You can try one of the meego community editions, if you want. They've got a build that'll run off of a SD card. | 22:25 |
| depressed | have you tried it?:P | 22:25 |
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| faina | a few months ago... painfully slow and I liked the N900 default UI better | 22:26 |
| faina | The meego UI (at the time) reminded me of android, which seems clunky. | 22:26 |
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| depressed | true | 22:26 |
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| faina | But I haven't tried their more recent releases. | 22:27 |
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| depressed | are you using the cssu on your n900? | 22:28 |
| depressed | *of maemo | 22:28 |
| faina | I installed it yes. | 22:28 |
| faina | though i haven't done much with it | 22:28 |
| faina | mostly they made screen rotation do more | 22:28 |
| depressed | lol | 22:28 |
| faina | there's a few demos of CSSU on the wiki or on youtube. | 22:29 |
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| Tenkawa | so.... "anyone" still updating stuff for the n800 in mass? | 22:30 |
| Tenkawa | or is it all one app at a time like I am | 22:30 |
| faina | The CSSU wiki page lists some updates for the Nx00. | 22:30 |
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| Tenkawa | cool | 22:30 |
| Tenkawa | thanks | 22:30 |
| faina | yw. | 22:31 |
| * Tenkawa is determined to find some usage for his n800 | 22:31 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol???? | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, CSSU is first and foremost about fixing bugs, not about rotation | 22:32 |
| derf | I still prefer to use my N810 for mapping rather than my N900. | 22:33 |
| derf | Bigger screen, longer battery life, hardware keys, and a version of Maemo Mapper that actually works. | 22:33 |
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| faina | DocScrutinizer: though on casual look the rotation was the most obvious user visible change. | 22:33 |
| depressed | i'm gutted my beats by dre earphones don't work on most phones unless it's an apple product or a few RIM phones | 22:33 |
| Tenkawa | if I could just update the kernel I could do so much more with that 800 | 22:33 |
| depressed | is it possible to port drivers from ios to maemo? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's because bug fixes are generally not supposed to be "user visible" | 22:34 |
| faina | :) | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and ideally CSSU shows *no* changes from stock maemo | 22:34 |
| faina | Unlike when I tried power kernel, my battery life is still good with CSSU | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for an occasional button or menu item to enable augmented functionality | 22:35 |
| faina | With a few days of use, you seem to have succeeded. | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for power | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU is supposed to yield better battery life than stock - at least it fixes some bugs that eat lots of power under certain circumstances, in stock | 22:36 |
| faina | Oh cool. | 22:36 |
| dzho | huh | 22:36 |
| dzho | I rarely have battery life problems. | 22:37 |
| derf | DocScrutinizer: Does it fix "No SIM card == less than 8 hours of battery"? | 22:37 |
| dzho | with stock, at least. I've been resistant to CSSU, but open to moving to it if there's a compelling reason. | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely not, as this isn'T a know issue. AFAIK | 22:37 |
| depressed | isn't battery life one of them? | 22:37 |
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| derf | I mean, that is the best explanation I have for why my battery life is so terrible. | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | unlikely | 22:38 |
| derf | Especially after my friend took her SIM card out beacuse it failed, and the same exact thing started happening to her. | 22:38 |
| dzho | depressed: you mean, for me? | 22:39 |
| derf | That being the only change she made to the system. | 22:39 |
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| depressed | dzho: yes even though you said you don't have problems | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'm running one N900 here since almost a year without SIM, and it sat there without me noticing I removed charger plug - each time standby was more like a week rather than 8h | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course any fancy borked app that goes apeshit mad when no SIM will change that | 22:41 |
| faina | I wonder if one has a wifi connection and the other doesnt? | 22:41 |
| derf | I have very little installed. | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe something that relies on a proper string for carrier name from cellmo, maybe sth that wants to read out BTS ID, maybe even some smart 2G/3G switcher... no friggin idea | 22:42 |
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| depressed | i heard networks that use lower spectrums use less power | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway your chances are good to spot the culprit as 8h standby are so bad there must be really heavy CPU usage to do this. So a simple htop will tell what's going on - after all without SIM it can't be the most popular battery hog which is 3G-data traffic | 22:45 |
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| box | hi | 22:46 |
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| box | can someone help me get gmail exchange working on a nokia n900? | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | gmail exchange? | 22:47 |
| box | gmail via exchange | 22:47 |
| derf | I don't have htop, but the only things that show up in top are the X server, top, xterm, and hildon-desktop. | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | have you been playing with replacement app launchers? | 22:48 |
| derf | Me? Certainly not. | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh in , abd top | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | it's almost meaningless without | 22:48 |
| derf | Well, that would require me to actually connect to a network. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | wifi doesn't work? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: hildon-desktop, X. Hmm, do you have catorise or apmefo installed? | 22:49 |
| derf | DocScrutinizer: No. | 22:49 |
| box | i followed this guide http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=147951 but it just keeps timing out | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | derf: you should get powertop | 22:51 |
| derf | DocScrutinizer: I've looked at it before. It was pretty useless. | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then I can'T help | 22:52 |
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| Sicelo | box: u are aware of http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options ? | 22:53 |
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| box | so should I assume Google uses exchange 2010? | 22:57 |
| derf | SpeedEvil: It's pretty painful at the office, but with wifi these are the only things over 0%: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1352151 | 22:57 |
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| depressed | box I've only ever got a contacts to sync once when I set the domain to "google" without quotes | 23:05 |
| derf | DocScrutinizer: Here you go: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1352155 | 23:06 |
| box | depressed ill try that thanks | 23:06 |
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| derf | (and yes, it really took 10 minutes to run one command over the wifi here) | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | derf: something is keeping your CPU at C1all the time, this for sure will eat battery during a few hours | 23:10 |
| derf | Yes, I knew that much. | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect some WLAN issue, or that age old window-scroll bouncer bug that hogs CPU on short menus or other displays that are too short to scroll and thus "bounce up and down" 0 pixels all the time | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's probably simple enough to enter flight mode and see what's the battery life then | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's still only 8h then you know it's neither GSM nor WLAN | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the bouncer bug manifested in hildon-desktop eating 6% CPU all the time IIRC | 23:17 |
| box | how do i get a nokia messaging account? sorry dont mean to be mundane im just clueless | 23:18 |
| Sicelo | afaik that's dead :P | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, afaik as well | 23:19 |
| box | and the maemo article you so kindly posted? :( | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think registering with OVI is the next best thing you can get | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, and probably MyNokia still works, dunno as I kicked that off my device before it even could start the first time | 23:22 |
| depressed | Anyone tried http://projects.developer.nokia.com/kasvopus - Is it safe? | 23:23 |
| Sicelo | sorry box. i don't use exchange, hence i pointed you to something i know discusses how to use it | 23:24 |
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| depressed | box: You don't `get` a nokia messaging account. On your N900, select `Nokia Messaging` from the provider list and enter your gmail username and password. If you're anal about security, you can enable Googles 2step verification where they can generate a random password for seperate applications | 23:43 |
| box | depressed omg thanks!!! | 23:46 |
| depressed | no worries but it doesn't bring up labels I don't think | 23:47 |
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| box | thats okay depressed ill live with this :D | 23:49 |
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| Sicelo | what are the benefits of using Nokia Messaging? | 23:50 |
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| depressed | I heard it was push without the battery drain - no idea how that works | 23:52 |
| Sicelo | when it comes to that, i miss my Nokia 9300i with IMAP-IDLE | 23:52 |
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