IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-10-10

MohammadAG(the raw .vcf file is unmreged, negative)00:00
DocScrutinizerI guess it's once again thoroughly messed up, as usual - and of course closed as usual00:01
DocScrutinizeranyway ->#harmattan00:01
* RST38h does not understand why we should keep harmattan discussion separate00:01
MohammadAGRST38h, Aegis prevents outside discussion00:02
* DocScrutinizer doesn't see how harmattan discussion would help a bit on fremantle/diablo themes00:02
RST38hMohammad: Ahhaha :)00:02
* RST38h no longer sees any Diablo around which btw is sad00:03
DocScrutinizernah, it's quite to the point: due to aegis QML is basically the only 'working' development environment on HARM, and afaik we got no QML on fremantle00:03
* RST38h would not call QML "working", in its current state00:04
RST38hAnyway, basic Qt also works for me00:04
DocScrutinizerthat's why the " are there00:04
RST38hAnd there is also SDL00:04
* RST38h just came by photos of Cardiff on Saturday night. Cthulhu, please, let me unsee this...00:04
DocScrutinizerwhen I look at chanlogs of last 3 months or so, I'd guess 98% of what'S discussed here about fremantle doesn't apply at all to HARM, and vice versa00:05
RST38hAlthough it does explain Brits' behaviour at .BG resorts...00:05
RST38hDoc: We can remove -M now. And just call it Maemo6.00:05
DocScrutinizerRST38h: sorry?00:06
CorsacDocScrutinizer: yes, the adaptors are different, they're embedded in the laptops00:07
Corsacso I guess there's an issue on the x201, but I don't really know where00:08
RST38hDoc: It is Meego no longer, just Harmattan or Maemo600:08
DocScrutinizerwell, #harmattan always been #harmattan00:08
DocScrutinizerand it's never been maemo nor meego in my book00:09
DocScrutinizerof course you can argue it's maemo6 internally00:09
RST38hBTW, first glimpses of IceCream Sandwich reference phone are out00:09
Corsacnexus prime?00:10
RST38hYeah00:10
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MohammadAGandroid naming got ridiculous after honeycomb00:10
RST38hAlthough Samsung and Google have cancelled the Oct11 revealing event for some reason00:10
DocScrutinizerbut then the similarities between maemo5 and maemo6 are maybe less than those between maemo6 and meegoCE00:10
RST38hMohammad: No more ridiculous than Ubuntu naming00:10
RST38hMohammad: Yes, I fully understand that using Lovecraftian names would be so much more appropriate, but geeks are toothless nowadays...00:11
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RST38hMohammad: Have you managed to fix your N950's heating problem BTW?00:13
MohammadAGRST38h, yeah, replacement arrives tomorrow00:13
RST38hMohammad: Quim helped? Or some other method?00:14
MohammadAGsent it back on sunday, it reached finland on tuesday00:14
RST38hCool to know that someone still cares...00:14
MohammadAGRST38h, emailed ddp.program and they forwarded it to someone00:14
MohammadAGthey were two actually00:14
MohammadAGJewish holidays haven't been helpful00:14
MohammadAGI could've got it on friday00:15
MohammadAGand Israeli security delayed it today00:15
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RST38hAt least you know it will not explode!=)00:16
MohammadAGoh yeah, should've mentioned that on the package I sent00:17
MohammadAGPackage may or may not explode00:17
RST38h...if left unattended.00:17
MohammadAGRST38h, you know00:17
MohammadAGI forgot to reflash it before I sent it00:17
kerioD:00:18
MohammadAGso I used Settings - Clear device00:18
kerionow they're going to see your donkey porn00:18
MohammadAGit powered off in 5 minutes00:18
MohammadAGthen it wouldn't boot up00:18
RST38hAhhahaha00:18
MohammadAGwith a reset icon covering the whole screen00:18
kerioMohammadAG: mission accomplished00:19
MohammadAGso I slapped the black protector on the screen00:19
MohammadAGput it in it's box, then in the DHL pink patent pending box00:20
MohammadAGand sent it back00:20
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maheri just put a new sdcard in my n900, and it snot being recognized on boot-  though I can mount it successfully after boot01:34
maherits formatted as ext3, and I previously had one in there that was also ext3 and worked fine01:35
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maherin fact the n900 seems confused about the naming of the mmc devices - cat /proc/partitions seems inconsistent with df -h01:35
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x29adocscrutinizer: i plan on distributing the library, but i could as well distribute the source, its all open01:47
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DocScrutinizermaher: if uSD is present, it gets detected as mmcblk0 during kernel init, later gets renamed - but that rename doesn'T take global effect. You found a location that shows the original situation01:49
DocScrutinizermaher: if the card is not recognized, first of all make sure it got a proper partition table. Then also I dunno what's current state about automounting ext301:50
maherDocScrutinizer: it used to work on the old ext3 sdcard - somehow something's different with the new one - I had to alter some stuff in /etc01:51
DocScrutinizersee my last post01:51
DocScrutinizerafaik superfloppy format isn't supported (I.E. mounting mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk1p1)01:52
DocScrutinizerdepending on who formatted the card, with which parameters, it may be superfloppy format without any proper partition table01:53
DocScrutinizeryou'll be able to tell from syslog/dmesg which should detect partitions as well as basic phy device01:54
maherDocScrutinizer: cfdisk seems happy with the partition table01:54
DocScrutinizerand of course you can check with any *fdisk tool01:54
maherDocScrutinizer: thre's a single partition, formatted with ext301:54
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DocScrutinizerhmm01:54
DocScrutinizerthen it's not that01:55
maherDocScrutinizer: you are right - the first dmesg entries give mmcblk0 to the sdcard and mmcblk1 to the internal01:55
DocScrutinizeras mentioned above I'm not quite sure about current state of automounting of ext3 - it for sure wasn'T implemented in PR1.0 - 1.2(?)01:56
maher[  885.355529] EXT3-fs error (device mmcblk0): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 128 not in group (block 0)!01:56
DocScrutinizerhah01:56
maherby the time it hits that mmcblk0/1 must have been switched01:56
maher[  946.954833] EXT3 FS on mmcblk0p1, internal journal01:57
maherbut there even though I mounted it as mmcblk1p1 its still called mmcblk10p101:58
DocScrutinizeryes, kernel knows the real names01:58
maherdf -h gives: /dev/mmcblk1p1           58.5G     47.0G      8.6G  84% /media/mmc101:58
DocScrutinizerummm, 64GB card?01:59
maherDocScrutinizer: yes01:59
DocScrutinizerhmm, not sure if those work at all01:59
maherDocScrutinizer: works just fine02:00
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DocScrutinizeryou got a weird definition of "just fine"02:01
maherDocScrutinizer: ok - I can mount it and read write from it after boot - it just won't mount automatically on boot02:01
maherosso-af-init/af-defines.sh:  export MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/media/mmc1' MMC_DEVICE_FILE='/dev/mmcblk1p1' <-- should this be mmcblk0p1 then?02:01
DocScrutinizernope02:02
DocScrutinizerthat's userland, where the renamed namespace applies02:02
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maherwhich bit of etc is actuallly trying to mount the mmmc?02:03
DocScrutinizergood question, probably /sbin/preinit02:04
DocScrutinizerthough device detection etc is done in kernel very early in bootup/kernel-init, and probably unrelated to any /etc or whatever02:06
DocScrutinizerand that error at  885.3555 really looks scary02:07
maherDocScrutinizer: that's almost certainly because it is trying to mount the wrong device02:07
DocScrutinizerat least I've never seen that one before, and it pretty much sounds like a geometry or partition start or size-overflow issue02:08
DocScrutinizeryes, trying to mount mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk1p1 may cause such an error, I guess02:08
maherDocScrutinizer: I want it to mount mm-p1 not mm-02:09
DocScrutinizerI know02:09
maheri can reproduce the error by manuualy try to mount mmcblk1 instead of mmcblkp102:10
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DocScrutinizerlook at the error though: >> EXT3-fs error (device mmcblk0): ext3_check_descriptors: <<02:10
DocScrutinizerthought as much :-)02:10
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DocScrutinizerwhile mmcblk1p1 gets its geometry/size info from a partition table, mmcblk1 mount has to rely on hw-info read out from device-descriptor of the uSD02:12
DocScrutinizerthis device descriptor may differ between uSD cards02:12
maherumm... ok?02:13
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DocScrutinizer?02:14
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DocScrutinizerjust saying.02:14
DocScrutinizerwhile most 32GB device-descriptor "tables" are parsed correctly, this might not apply for 64GB02:15
DocScrutinizer(talking outa my arse now)02:15
maherhow do i find out what the hw-info is? it would also be useful to know exactly which bit of the startup stuff is trying to mount thte mmc....02:16
DocScrutinizeranyway SD-HC ends at 32GB02:16
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maherok - this seems trickier to fix - i need to find the bit that parses the hw-info and then update it it parse 64G cards directly?02:19
maheras a gross hack would adding a mount /medmia/mmc1 to the end of /etc/event.d/rcS-late mount the thing?02:20
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maherDocScrutinizer: gross hack gets it mounted - it still says corrupt card on boot and doesn't like it under settings->memory card, but everything esle works fine...02:26
maherDocScrutinizer: i uspect fixing the hw-info parser is beyond my competence - but thanks a lot for your help!02:27
SpeedEvilmaher: i02:28
SpeedEvil cheated02:28
SpeedEvili added my mount script to sudoers (the sudoers generation thing specifically) and then used queen-beecon to launch it02:28
SpeedEvil(at startup)02:28
NIN101the yellow "corrupt card" message can be "fixed" by simply adding an if in osso-mmc-mount.sh and exit the script02:28
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ScifigI cleaned/uninstalled QtSDK and installed the latest version in Ubuntu. Now I am missing Fremantle as a target (only Desktop, Harmattan and Remote Compiler are available). How can I add Fremantle PR1.3 target?03:06
VenemoScifig, run the SDK maintenance tool, and check the checkbox for the Maemo 5 toolchain03:10
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ScifigVenemo, Thanks. I didn't look under Development Tools menu option.03:12
VenemoScifig :)03:14
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mahersound seems to have stopped working on my n900 - any suggestions?03:35
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ShadowJKheadphone sound also broken? headphone or headset icon showed with headphones disconnected / connected? sound with tvout?03:40
ShadowJKsound during phonecall, with/without speakerphone?03:41
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maherShadowJK: headphone icon appears when plug in headphone - no sound from any speakers or headphone03:45
mahershould i have a /dev/dsp?03:45
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maherok - i restarted pulseaudio and the sound works - but the slider voluem control does not....03:53
mahermplayer works - but the media player does not...03:54
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* ShadowJK "d probably reboot03:56
maheri am turning things on off continually, but still no sound03:57
ShadowJKmafw maybe04:00
maherwhat's the right way to restart pulseaudio? pulseaudio -D --system?04:02
SpeedEvilmaher: hav eyou tried reflashing?04:03
maherSpeedEvil: no - won't that nuke most of my settings?04:03
SpeedEvilyes04:04
maherSpeedEvil: :(04:04
maherooo - finally rebooted with sound!04:04
maherthat makes maybe 10 no sound boots in a row - normally i only have to reboot 2-4 times...04:05
ShadowJKI'm not sure there's a correct way to restart pulseaudio in the context of maemo :P04:05
Venemofunny excerpt from another channel:04:06
Venemo[01:34] <TSCHAKeee> X just needs to fucking DIE04:06
Venemo[01:34] <TSCHAKeee> DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE04:06
DocScrutinizermaher: sounds like you thoroughly messed up some initscripts?04:06
Venemo[01:34] <TSCHAKeee> alt.x.window.system.has.had.its.time.now.die.die.die04:06
maherDocScrutinizer: then why does it work intermittently?04:06
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DocScrutinizerrace on concurrently started services? e.g. on mounting /opt?04:07
DocScrutinizermaybe you optified PA?04:07
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DocScrutinizerdunno, there's a number of ways04:08
maherDocScrutinizer: i don't know what that means - how would I found out if i had done that?04:08
DocScrutinizerreflash and see if the problem's gone04:08
DocScrutinizer;-D04:08
DocScrutinizerthen bisect your tweaks to system you've done, until you find out what broke the sound04:09
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maherDocScrutinizer: its actually done this for as long as i can remember - even after the last time i reflashed - i've just never had so may reboots before sound worked...04:09
DocScrutinizeralas this approach is not always working when facing race issues04:10
maherwell - my current solutions is to avoid turning the phone off as much as possible04:10
DocScrutinizerhmm, that's most likely a hw defect then, as it's not a commonly known issue with stock PR1.304:10
Venemomaher, this happened to me too some time ago.04:11
Venemomaher, reflash solved it04:11
DocScrutinizerVenemo: maher says reflash didn't help for him04:12
Venemohmm04:12
Venemowarranty repair?04:12
maherVenemo: i just can't face reinstalling all the settings - I did reflash once a long time ago but it didn't seem to help with this problem04:12
Venemohmm04:12
maherVenemo: heh - i think its a bit old for thta04:12
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Venemomaher, :(04:13
Venemomaher, mine will get to that age this december. :(04:13
maheranyway - sound works now - and i know how to restart pulseaudio - interstingly restarting pulseaudio and then turning off/on gave me a boot with working sound - so i will try this infuture04:14
DocScrutinizerwell, if you reflashed once, long ago, then I'd strongly recommend to do it again right now. Not restore any apps or whatever from your backups you of course do before you flash, and see how device behaves with a clean fresh 1.3 flash04:14
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maherDocScrutinizer: how do i find my current flash image?04:15
DocScrutinizer~flash04:15
infoboti guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware04:15
DocScrutinizer1.3 is your current image04:15
DocScrutinizeryou should do proper backups both with stock app and with backupmenu04:16
maherok - I'm going to have to be more desperate before i reflash...04:17
DocScrutinizercopy your whole eMMC content (or at very least MyDocs) to your PC as well04:17
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DocScrutinizerbad approach04:17
maherwhat gets corrupt?04:18
DocScrutinizerno sound on 9 out of 10 boots, on a *phone*, how much worse can it get?04:18
maherDocScrutinizer: :(04:18
DocScrutinizerany worse and I'd stop considering to fix things, and rather kill the device04:18
VenemoOMG! returning to N900 from N950 isn't that bad. 32GB!!! hey!04:18
DocScrutinizerindeed :-D04:19
VenemoI just copy a BUNCH of music. then A LOT! then a HELLALOTOFMUSIC! and it isn't filled yet :)04:20
RST38hI am still using n90004:20
Venemoalso, USB speed is a lot faster.04:20
RST38hn950has got too buggy firmware for now04:20
VenemoN900 is just better quality04:21
Venemoand N9 is ridicuolus.04:21
RST38hwhy?04:22
Venemono keyboard04:22
Venemodead OS04:22
Venemoetc...04:22
RST38hMaemo5 is also dead04:22
RST38hdeader than maemo6in fact04:22
Venemoyeah, but Maemo 5 is at least stable04:22
Venemoactually, N9's release firmware is 34-1, which sounds the same as N950's 34-2.04:23
VenemoIf I haven't found a dozen of bugs in 34-2 then I haven't found any.04:23
RST38hHave you seen the list of bugs found in WP7 btw?04:24
RST38hMaemo6 is dead stableby comparison04:25
DocScrutinizermeh, m5 is really virulent compared to m604:26
* SpeedEvil is conflicted.04:27
SpeedEvilA paid app-store that actually works is clearly a positive.04:28
RST38hreally?04:28
VenemoDocScrutinizer, virulent in what way?04:28
SpeedEvilIt works better than the n900s did, and has more apps shortly ater launch.04:28
DocScrutinizerit's a *real* linux OS, with full root access. It has a rather great community, even CSSU. Tons of apps. A mature concept. While m6 was christened "Meego" and Meego been declared dead 2 days after N9 birth04:28
RST38hYoo, RMS has danced on Jobs'es still warm remains04:28
SpeedEvilIf it leads to more widespread upake of n9s, ...04:29
DocScrutinizervivid, if you prefer04:29
RST38hDoc: Don't you remember how they killed community when they switched to Meego?04:29
RST38hDoc: New corporate website, separate "professional" forum, convoluted build system, etc?04:29
DocScrutinizerI know, but a good community is hard to kill completely04:30
RST38hWhat is the use for this community when its main subject is dead?04:30
RST38hYou are pretty much turning into ..mhm... Amiga nuts =)04:30
DocScrutinizer?? I'm quite happy my 2 N900 are both alive04:30
VenemoDocScrutinizer :)04:31
Venemofortunately, this will all shortly change with Mer and the CE.04:31
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* maher hopes his next phone will run vanilla debian04:31
* maher and the sound will work on > 90% of boots04:31
RST38hVenemo: Won't04:31
DocScrutinizerand I'm not going to bin them cause some friggin manager decided M6 is hyoe of the month, or maybe melt-me or wp7 or whatever04:32
VenemoRST38h, why is that04:32
RST38hVenemo: Neither Mer nor CE provide a complete usable software stack04:32
DocScrutinizerduh, there was this friggin sound issue where some PA libs were optified?04:32
VenemoRST38h, yet.04:32
RST38hAnd, to be frank, nobody really needs just another Linux distro that boots into command line04:32
RST38hVenemo: Not evet04:32
RST38hever04:32
DocScrutinizerwhich killed PA on shakehands playback04:32
RST38hVenemo: Do check the official goals of both Mer and CE04:33
VenemoRST38h, ok, Mer is clear, but what's wrong with the CE?04:34
RST38hsame thing + the fact that its corporate sponsors have abandoned it04:34
DocScrutinizerRST38h: nobody needs just another linux mockup that allows just running of wallpaper-picker and fart apps written in QML, either04:34
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RST38hDoc: that too, but M6 does allow way more than that04:35
DocScrutinizerHAH04:35
DocScrutinizerM6 is a comedy of a linux system04:36
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DocScrutinizera poor annoying persiflage04:37
SpeedEvilI agree in many ways.04:37
Venemoheh.04:37
RST38hah you ingrateful punks04:37
SpeedEvil'Least bad'04:38
SpeedEvil:/04:38
DocScrutinizerand all the fools go "Hooray, I'm so happy I can't access XY any more, as that's the only way I see to forbid fictive malware to access XY"04:38
SpeedEvilBarring obtaining 10  million pounds or so of spare cash to make a decent stab at an open phone.04:38
RST38hyou do understand that by removing just a couple of things artifically bolted onto it, you get a better m5?04:38
RST38hDoc: Not all. Just one fool. And he appears to have a career interest in it.04:39
Venemodjszapi has quit the aegis team recently.04:39
SpeedEvilThe remaining issues are what happens tothe release n9 image if you replace the kernel.04:39
RST38hVenemo: See? I was right.04:40
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VenemoRST38h, well, nope.04:41
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Venemoin any case, I seriously need to get some sleep now04:43
Venemoso, good night folks :)04:44
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* DocScrutinizer thinks the one out of 10 boots of maher's N900 where PA was working, probably was the one where the system rebooted without playing shaking-hands again and maher also avoided to cause any early ts-click or other audio, prior to /opt being mounted so PA could load the optified plugins04:47
DocScrutinizermeh, maybe he reads the chanlog evetually04:48
DocScrutinizerI'd not even be surprised if mounting of eMMC was concurrent to pin-query/shakehands-movie so finally it's actually a race. Exactly what I said04:50
RST38hAhhaha04:51
RST38hhttp://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/10/10/2011101000485.html !!!04:52
DocScrutinizerbait missing04:52
RST38h"We thought it would be improper to hold a large celebratory event when one of our biggest rivals has lost its founder," Samsung said. "Although we're entangled in a bitter legal battle over intellectual property rights against Apple, we need to observe propriety."04:52
SpeedEvilhttp://onespot.wsj.com/business/2011/10/06/5cbcb/nokias-elop-legacy-of-steve-jobs-to04:54
* RST38h notices that Doc is awake at 4:54am04:54
DocScrutinizerso jobs kicked Samsung in the nuts even by conveniently chosen date of death?04:54
RST38hYeah, isn't this the ultimate  proof that Jobs is God?04:55
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DocScrutinizerit's as much no proof of this as suicide-bombing is04:56
RST38hHow dare you to question the godliness of Jobs!04:57
DocScrutinizerif the death cause was "natural" the it's at best a slight proof for Jobs knowing a certain level of yoga04:57
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Psihow do you get around the issue of the n900 automatically connecting to the MMS apn sometimes instead of the internet one?07:56
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kerioPsi: only have one apn?08:08
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Psikerio: fmms sets up its own one for mms messages08:23
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woldrichI've successfully bricked my n900 again08:50
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iuusocongrats :)08:53
iuusoi have bricked my n900 only once.08:53
Psiit is unbrickable without too much trouble?08:54
Psiim guessing ya just need to reload the boot firmware over jtag or something08:54
iuusoif by bricked you mean you have to flash your n900?08:54
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Psii would consider it bricked if either, you need to buy/make special hardware to fix08:56
* dm8tbr considers 'bricked' to be "can't be fixed without involvement of special hardware and or experts"08:56
Psiyeah08:56
iuusook08:57
iuusogood to know08:57
dm8tbrbut nowadays it seems to be general populace consensus, that "It doesn't boot to UI" means "totally bricked"08:57
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Psiits bricked if its as useful as a brick to 95% of the population :P08:57
iuuso:)08:58
amiconnPsi: Just don't let it connect automatically to the cellular network08:58
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Psiamiconn: i need that for latitude to work09:06
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psychologehello ,im microB ,i can't use shift+backspace to forward page,has someone same problem10:50
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Venemo_N900hmm11:07
Venemo_N900N900 keyboard is more usable than N950 keyboard11:08
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JaffaMorning, all11:15
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woldrichIf I want to get what n900 is, but 'the next step', what would that be? I need a real keyboard11:36
andre__n950, which is not publically available. so: nothing.11:36
woldrich:(11:37
woldrichperhaps I should buy another one. or two11:37
woldrichso I have hardware when they'll vanish from the market. it's such a beautiful little device, can use it for basicly everything11:37
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crashanddieHi #maemo.11:49
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merlin1991Hey crashanddie11:50
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robbiethe1stHas anyone had any trouble with OCing on PK V49? Like, 'kernel-config lock freq volt dsp' not working quite correctly?13:15
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meceany bash wizards around?13:43
crashanddiemece, ask away13:43
meceI have a string, "4", now I want to loop something as many times as the number in the string.13:44
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crashanddienumber="4"; i=0; while [ $i -lt $number ] ; do echo foo; let i=$((i+1)); done13:46
meceok thanks.13:49
mecethe -lt bit, is that some data type magic?13:50
crashanddie-lt == less than13:50
crashanddiebash does not have data types13:50
crashanddieso "4" is exactly the same as 413:51
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edheldilmece:  actually, with a bit of luck: for i in `seq 1 4` ; do ... done14:15
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DocScrutinizeraah14:17
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: bash does not have data types??14:18
balrog-k1nit has a14:18
balrog-k1noops14:18
crashanddieexcept, edheldil, that's a stupid answer14:18
DocScrutinizerwell, it doesn't *need* data types, and everything is a string in expressions, as the whole thing is a plain text interpreter14:18
balrog-k1nit has strings and arrays at least14:18
DocScrutinizerit has intergers as well14:19
edheldilcrashanddie:  why so?14:19
crashanddieedheldil, `` spawns a new process, and looking at this channel name, you really don't want to do process spawning on mobile devices for no good reason.14:19
crashanddieit's like people who do cat foo.txt | grep something14:20
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edheldilnowhere he says that it has to run on the phone14:20
DocScrutinizerhalley:~ # help declare14:20
DocScrutinizerdeclare: declare [-aAfFilrtux] [-p] [name[=value] ...]14:20
DocScrutinizer    Set variable values and attributes.14:20
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DocScrutinizer...14:21
DocScrutinizer      -a        to make NAMEs indexed arrays (if supported)14:21
DocScrutinizer      -A        to make NAMEs associative arrays (if supported)14:21
DocScrutinizer      -i        to make NAMEs have the `integer' attribute14:21
DocScrutinizer      -l        to convert NAMEs to lower case on assignment14:21
DocScrutinizer      -r        to make NAMEs readonly14:21
DocScrutinizer...14:21
DocScrutinizerbut yes, that's all strictly optional14:21
DocScrutinizermece: see bash help test14:22
DocScrutinizer arg1 OP arg2   Arithmetic tests.  OP is one of -eq, -ne,14:23
DocScrutinizer                     -lt, -le, -gt, or -ge.14:23
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DocScrutinizerwhile14:23
DocScrutinizerSTRING1 < STRING214:23
DocScrutinizer                     True if STRING1 sorts before STRING2 lexicographically.14:23
crashanddieor if comparing non-integer values: != and ==, < and >14:23
__trinehas anyone got a link to where I can download PYRIT for my N900?14:24
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fizzieBash also has a "does-arithmetic-evaluation-for-the-expressions-by-default" for loop: for (( i=0; i<4; i++ )); do echo $i; done14:25
DocScrutinizermece: so in bash everything starts as a string, and operators/context does implicit typecasting/conversions14:26
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DocScrutinizerfizzie: yup, a much missed feature in plain shell (like messybox)14:26
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robbiethe1stJust a note: I've used `` quite a bit; no noticable slowdown compared to $(cmd) or w/e.14:27
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DocScrutinizerthat's expected, it's just an alternative of the lexical analyzer14:28
balrog-k1nrobbiethe1st: $(cmd) will most likely also spawn a process, i guess if you do while xxx; it can optimise by calling the internal implementation of xxx if available14:28
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balrog-k1nso that's why it may sometimes be a little faster14:29
robbiethe1stI guess...I don't think we have that many internal implementations of things, at least on Busybox, though14:29
DocScrutinizerthe big advantage of () is you got no nesting problems14:29
robbiethe1stI mean, we have to use seq... for for loops!14:29
DocScrutinizerseq for loops is insane14:30
crashanddierobbiethe1st, bash is bash, whether it's on busybox or another environment14:30
DocScrutinizeras it expands to an awfully long string in linebuffer14:30
robbiethe1stBut bash != ash14:30
crashanddietrue, but OP asked about "bash" explicitly14:31
DocScrutinizermessybox is NOT bash! all but bash14:31
robbiethe1stBuilt-in shell on the N900 is ash, which is a part of busybox. You have to explicitly install bash...yeah14:31
DocScrutinizerwhich was pretty much first thing I did, on N900 as well as on SHR ;-)14:32
DocScrutinizeras, you know:14:32
robbiethe1stHeh. I don't think I've bothered to install it14:32
DocScrutinizer~messybox14:32
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils14:32
robbiethe1stI just worked around the limitations14:32
robbiethe1stOh, yeah, I learned something new today: Flashing PR1.0 onto a later-PR device, then loading up a PR1.3 rootfs/opt... the only thing that won't work is the cellmodem, and a flash with --flash-only=cmt fixes that properly. Sure, it's the expected outcome, but it actually /works/ that way.14:32
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DocScrutinizer:nod:14:40
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DocScrutinizerI think the leaked-pr12 fix was along that line14:40
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Corsacgrmbnl, so my bug might be in n900 firmware in fact15:34
Corsacit might be https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483515:34
povbotBug 4835: Bump GTK+ version to 2.1215:34
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* andre__ slaps povbot15:35
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Corsacdefinitely15:37
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RST38hMeanwhile: Anaheim Union High School District has killed a controversial incentive program that assigned students color-coded ID cards and planners based on state test scores, required those who performed poorly to stand in a separate lunch line and awarded the others with discounts.15:40
jaskasounds kinda nasty15:42
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Kowalczykhmm im having a question. I used my mac to connect to the works wlan. and got the certificate and stuff and exported it and then put it on my n900 and installed it. but when I connect I get a certificate password? what is this?15:50
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Kowalczykor is it some other way to fix it?15:56
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RST38hOh yeaaaahh: http://gizmodo.com/5848209/biker-gang-raids-apple-store16:22
__trineI have just installed subversion natively on my N900 but it segs faults has any one any idea why this might be?16:23
RST38hMaybe installing subversion natively has been a bad idea?16:25
__trinewell its part of fremantle16:25
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__trinefremantle/tools free non-free16:25
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__trineis anyone here prepared to help me get scratchbox working on my PC16:26
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__trineRST38h, is that it? just a negative comment?16:37
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balrog-k1nhow else would you install svn? :)16:43
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__trineNokia-N900:~# svn16:43
__trineSegmentation fault16:43
__trinecould this be because I have the power kernel installed?16:44
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sat2050no16:44
sat2050its an error with one of the libraries16:45
balrog-k1ni'd try stracing or gdb'ing16:45
balrog-k1nbut it might not get you any closer in some cases16:45
sat2050http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70570&highlight=svn+segmentation+fault16:47
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__trinereading16:49
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crashanddiesat2050, strace it16:56
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__trinefound the answer :)17:00
__trinethanks17:00
sat2050:)17:02
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sat2050i left working on svn17:03
sat2050now i just use hamachi to connect to my box and use svn thr17:03
__trineI would love to be able to compile for the n900 on my PC17:03
sat2050you can do that17:04
sat2050http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK17:05
__trinesat2050, I have done most of that and installed it but I dont think I have it working17:06
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__trinenow I have svn working I have now been able to compile pyrit ok17:08
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__trinepyrit is needed for wifite17:09
sat2050i stopped working on maemo development17:11
sat2050i dont have a development env for it right now17:11
__trinei mainly compile for my router17:12
sat2050so i dont know how much help can i be of17:12
sat2050ok17:12
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chem|stdoes anyone have EXP with gemote?17:23
DocScrutinizermoo chem|st17:24
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adrianuyI can't install Cleven17:51
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_trinecleven is in the repos17:53
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adrianuyYes it's17:54
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adrianuyMessaging is that i need: wirless-tools17:56
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Seta00this is probably quite exotic, but can I play a MP3 directly from the terminal?18:06
Seta00or alternatively, can I have two instances of music player running simultaneously?18:06
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_trineadrianuy, why dont you install wireless-tools apt-get update; apt-get install wireless-tools18:07
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adrianuyi can't find wireless-tools in repos18:14
x29ado you have extras enabled?18:15
adrianuyExtras Maemo or Maemo Extras-devel18:16
x29ahttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/wireless-tools/30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5/18:16
DocScrutinizerSeta00: you can play .wav with command pay-sound18:17
DocScrutinizerplay-sound18:17
x29aSeta00: http://www.mpg123.de/18:17
DocScrutinizerfor mp3 you'll need a decoder18:17
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Seta00thanks18:19
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GeneralAntillesSo, Netflix basically did 3 months worth of handwaving for . . . nothing?18:26
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DocScrutinizerwho's netflix?18:29
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_trinedoes anyone here use SMSCON? the SMSCON editer is asking for a passwd when I run it and I'm not sure which passwd it wants19:08
Sicelo12345 iirc19:13
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall the password got mentioned somewhere on that app's project homepage or sth19:13
Siceloand DocScrutinizer is right :)19:13
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: moo...19:13
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* Sicelo lost his sylus today. thought i was going to have heart attack. luckily, found it later under a car seat19:14
Sicelo*stylus19:14
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DocScrutinizermeh, stylus19:14
DocScrutinizerthey are 3 for 20$ or sth ;-P19:14
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_trineSicelo, you are correct,, where is that documented ?  thank you19:16
DocScrutinizerso yeah, you'd really think they gone mad about asking that much for 0.8g of plastic, but hey19:16
Sicelo_trine: where DocScrutinizer said. i forget url, and unfortunately am not in a position to check for u right now. iirc it's in wiki19:17
* Sicelo whishes infobot was linked to wiki as it is for bug reports19:17
_trineoh sorry DocScrutinizer I never noticed you reply very sorry19:19
_trineyour*19:19
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DocScrutinizer~maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/19:19
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay19:19
Sicelohttp://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON_Editor19:20
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DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Smscon19:21
DocScrutinizererr19:21
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* DocScrutinizer cackles at >># (DO NOT edit the encrypted user settings below, use SMSCON-editor or SMSCON!)<<19:24
* DocScrutinizer starts strace SMSCON to decode the "ENCRYPTION"19:25
* DocScrutinizer is too lazy to read the sourcecode of SMSCON to learn the "encryption key"19:26
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DocScrutinizeroh well, on a device where each idiot thief can install rootsh, it's probably actually useful to somewhat obfuscate the password19:28
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Siceloby the way, besides killall/kill, what else can i se to end a runaway process?19:30
DocScrutinizererrr19:31
Siceloeither of those doesn't kill the process :(19:31
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DocScrutinizerkill -sigint -sigstop -sigterm -sigkill19:31
DocScrutinizerkill -9 is very popular, aka kill -sigkill19:32
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Siceloah, thanks.19:33
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Siceloi never used the kill -9 before, as a plain kill usually worked19:34
DocScrutinizerkill -l19:34
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DocScrutinizerkill doesn't inderstand --help, so a simple "kill" (w/o parameters) gets you a short usage help line19:36
DocScrutinizerman kill    also always an idea19:36
edheldilI once did killall apache ... on a SystemV server, where killall kills all the proccesses of a current user ... i.e. root in that case :)19:37
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Sicelotrue that DocScrutinizer, about rtfm ;) just that it's my N900 that needed it, and am on the move :)19:38
DocScrutinizersun, not sysV19:40
DocScrutinizererr, HPUX?19:40
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_trineI have just run pyrit benchmark on my N900 its running at 27 PMKs/s20:01
_trineand my computer runs at 180000 PMKS/s20:01
_trine:)20:01
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ale152hello20:12
ale152why can't I find dh_make in my scratchbox?20:12
ale152mh, maybe missin symlink20:13
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, did you see this? http://laughingsquid.com/the-call-of-cthulhu-as-a-dr-suess-style-childrens-book/21:48
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depressedis maemo ever going to be updated?22:23
fainaThere's the community support22:23
fainahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU22:24
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depressedthanks for that22:24
fainaOther than that, there's basically a debate -- go back and base things on community distro like debian, or follow the corporations to tizen.22:25
depressedis it worth going onto meego - if it's even possible?22:25
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fainaYou can try one of the meego community editions, if you want. They've got a build that'll run off of a SD card.22:25
depressedhave you tried it?:P22:25
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fainaa few months ago... painfully slow and I liked the N900 default UI better22:26
fainaThe meego UI (at the time) reminded me of android, which seems clunky.22:26
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depressedtrue22:26
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fainaBut I haven't tried their more recent releases.22:27
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depressedare you using the cssu on your n900?22:28
depressed*of maemo22:28
fainaI installed it yes.22:28
fainathough i haven't done much with it22:28
fainamostly they made screen rotation do more22:28
depressedlol22:28
fainathere's a few demos of CSSU on the wiki or on youtube.22:29
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Tenkawaso.... "anyone" still updating stuff for the n800 in mass?22:30
Tenkawaor is it all one app at a time like I am22:30
fainaThe CSSU wiki page lists some updates for the Nx00.22:30
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Tenkawacool22:30
Tenkawathanks22:30
fainayw.22:31
* Tenkawa is determined to find some usage for his n80022:31
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DocScrutinizerlol????22:32
DocScrutinizerand no, CSSU is first and foremost about fixing bugs, not about rotation22:32
derfI still prefer to use my N810 for mapping rather than my N900.22:33
derfBigger screen, longer battery life, hardware keys, and a version of Maemo Mapper that actually works.22:33
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fainaDocScrutinizer: though on casual look the rotation was the most obvious user visible change.22:33
depressedi'm gutted my beats by dre earphones don't work on most phones unless it's an apple product or a few RIM phones22:33
Tenkawaif I could just update the kernel I could do so much more with that 80022:33
depressedis it possible to port drivers from ios to maemo?22:34
DocScrutinizerwell, that's because bug fixes are generally not supposed to be "user visible"22:34
faina:)22:34
DocScrutinizerand ideally CSSU shows *no* changes from stock maemo22:34
fainaUnlike when I tried power kernel, my battery life is still good with CSSU22:35
DocScrutinizerexcept for an occasional button or menu item to enable augmented functionality22:35
fainaWith a few days of use, you seem to have succeeded.22:35
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DocScrutinizerfor power22:35
DocScrutinizerCSSU is supposed to yield better battery life than stock - at least it fixes some bugs that eat lots of power under certain circumstances, in stock22:36
fainaOh cool.22:36
dzhohuh22:36
dzhoI rarely have battery life problems.22:37
derfDocScrutinizer: Does it fix "No SIM card == less than 8 hours of battery"?22:37
dzhowith stock, at least.  I've been resistant to CSSU, but open to moving to it if there's a compelling reason.22:37
DocScrutinizerdefinitely not, as this isn'T a know issue. AFAIK22:37
depressedisn't battery life one of them?22:37
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derfI mean, that is the best explanation I have for why my battery life is so terrible.22:38
DocScrutinizerunlikely22:38
derfEspecially after my friend took her SIM card out beacuse it failed, and the same exact thing started happening to her.22:38
dzhodepressed: you mean, for me?22:39
derfThat being the only change she made to the system.22:39
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depresseddzho: yes even though you said you don't have problems22:39
DocScrutinizerhmm, I'm running one N900 here since almost a year without SIM, and it sat there without me noticing I removed charger plug - each time standby was more like a week rather than 8h22:39
DocScrutinizerof course any fancy borked app that goes apeshit mad when no SIM will change that22:41
fainaI wonder if one has a wifi connection and the other doesnt?22:41
derfI have very little installed.22:42
DocScrutinizermaybe something that relies on a proper string for carrier name from cellmo, maybe sth that wants to read out BTS ID, maybe even some smart 2G/3G switcher... no friggin idea22:42
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depressedi heard networks that use lower spectrums use less power22:43
DocScrutinizeranyway your chances are good to spot the culprit as 8h standby are so bad there must be really heavy CPU usage to do this. So a simple htop will tell what's going on - after all without SIM it can't be the most popular battery hog which is 3G-data traffic22:45
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boxhi22:46
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boxcan someone help me get gmail exchange working on a nokia n900?22:47
Sicelogmail exchange?22:47
boxgmail via exchange22:47
derfI don't have htop, but the only things that show up in top are the X server, top, xterm, and hildon-desktop.22:47
SpeedEvilhave you been playing with replacement app launchers?22:48
derfMe? Certainly not.22:48
SpeedEvilssh in , abd top22:48
SpeedEvilit's almost meaningless without22:48
derfWell, that would require me to actually connect to a network.22:49
SpeedEvilwifi doesn't work?22:49
DocScrutinizerderf: hildon-desktop, X. Hmm, do you have catorise or apmefo installed?22:49
derfDocScrutinizer: No.22:49
boxi followed this guide http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=147951 but it just keeps timing out22:49
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DocScrutinizerderf: you should get powertop22:51
derfDocScrutinizer: I've looked at it before. It was pretty useless.22:52
DocScrutinizerwell, then I can'T help22:52
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Sicelobox: u are aware of http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options ?22:53
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boxso should I assume Google uses exchange 2010?22:57
derfSpeedEvil: It's pretty painful at the office, but with wifi these are the only things over 0%: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/135215122:57
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depressedbox I've only ever got a contacts to sync once when I set the domain to "google" without quotes23:05
derfDocScrutinizer: Here you go: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/135215523:06
boxdepressed ill try that thanks23:06
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derf(and yes, it really took 10 minutes to run one command over the wifi here)23:06
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DocScrutinizerderf: something is keeping your CPU at C1all the time, this for sure will eat battery during a few hours23:10
derfYes, I knew that much.23:10
DocScrutinizerI suspect some WLAN issue, or that age old window-scroll bouncer bug that hogs CPU on short menus or other displays that are too short to scroll and thus "bounce up and down" 0 pixels all the time23:12
DocScrutinizerit's probably simple enough to enter flight mode and see what's the battery life then23:13
DocScrutinizerif it's still only 8h then you know it's neither GSM nor WLAN23:13
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DocScrutinizerthe bouncer bug manifested in hildon-desktop eating 6% CPU all the time IIRC23:17
boxhow do i get a nokia messaging account? sorry dont mean to be mundane im just clueless23:18
Siceloafaik that's dead :P23:19
DocScrutinizeryup, afaik as well23:19
boxand the maemo article you so kindly posted? :(23:19
DocScrutinizerI think registering with OVI is the next best thing you can get23:21
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DocScrutinizerooh, and probably MyNokia still works, dunno as I kicked that off my device before it even could start the first time23:22
depressedAnyone tried http://projects.developer.nokia.com/kasvopus - Is it safe?23:23
Sicelosorry box. i don't use exchange, hence i pointed you to something i know discusses how to use it23:24
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depressedbox: You don't `get` a nokia messaging account. On your N900, select `Nokia Messaging` from the provider list and enter your gmail username and password. If you're anal about security, you can enable Googles 2step verification where they can generate a random password for seperate applications23:43
boxdepressed omg thanks!!!23:46
depressedno worries but it doesn't bring up labels I don't think23:47
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boxthats okay depressed ill live with this :D23:49
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Sicelowhat are the benefits of using Nokia Messaging?23:50
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depressedI heard it was push without the battery drain - no idea how that works23:52
Sicelowhen it comes to that, i miss my Nokia 9300i with IMAP-IDLE23:52
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