IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-10-09

hatake_kakashiahh you're the bloke that recommended me to that page :D yes the CSOC and RSOC shows 100% however, my other N900 does not exhibit the same problem even if I momentarily disconnect its wall charger cable00:00
hatake_kakashibah :/ that means I'll need to get my microUSB port fixed on that 2101 N90000:00
DocScrutinizeryes, that's most likely a hw defect on either USB plug or USB receptacle contacts or soldering pins00:02
hatake_kakashigreat... :| thanks guys for input00:03
DocScrutinizerand for the inconsistent behaviour regarding (not) signalling charger removal and re-insertion, I also noticed that and tbh I don't have a good story completely explaining it00:03
hatake_kakashialso.. on my recent trip to h.k. I bought a microUSB port. Now I read there's three types of microUSB but does the port (female connector) also define what type of microUSB it is? or is it actually the wiring? If its wiring can solder easily redefine it or not?00:05
DocScrutinizerthere also seems to be a sleeping bug in PK about charger detection rsp enabling charging rsp booting when on charger00:05
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hatake_kakashihmm I personally haven't noticed that on any of my N900, not with device not notifying of removal and re-insertion00:05
hatake_kakashithough on my old (2204) N900, I do have intermittent issues with initial connection to wall charger in sleep mode. Device does not note that its charging nor does it seem to be accepting any inducted currents. However reinserting the wall charger cable the device automatically puts itself to charge mode00:07
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DocScrutinizerthat's roughly what I was talking about, yes00:07
hatake_kakashiI'm guessing that could be the sleeping bug you were referring to00:07
hatake_kakashiahh yes.. I was getting a little confused over the terminology rsp00:08
hatake_kakashirsp = response?00:08
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TiagoTiagoading off, cya00:30
TiagoTiagoi'm heading off*00:30
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DocScrutinizermaybe s/rsp/or/00:31
DocScrutinizeractually my dictionary says /resp is the right term00:32
DocScrutinizerrespectively /resp./; and/or00:33
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hatake_kakashiahh I'm not familiar with shorthands :)00:36
hatake_kakashithough I'm slowly picking it all up00:36
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x29ahm, im using qtsdk to deploy my app (containing an internal library) to my n900 (copy), and it tries to copy lib.a.1, lib.a.1.0 etc, but doesnt generate/symlink those02:39
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x29anow i would like to remove the entries of lib.a.1 etc, because i dont need them on the phone, it says to edit the project file, but i cant find the reference there, any hints?02:40
x29adirty fix would be to call a post compile script to generate the symlinks02:41
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adnchello, I was planning to buy a N900. is this still worth going for, or is there an alternative that use maemo ?03:40
SpeedEvilThe n9 is a very different device that uses an operating system developed from maemo03:41
adncSpeedEvil,  is that n9 open like n900?03:42
adncor is it going to use a special maemo?03:42
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SpeedEvilIt's not nearly as open. It depends which bits of open are important to you.03:43
SpeedEvilCan you compile and install stuff on the phone - yes.03:43
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ShadowJKBiggest N9 advantage is quadruple RAM. Biggest negative is no keyboard and closed.03:52
SpeedEvilClosed is a relative term.03:53
SpeedEvilClosed compared to the n900, yes.03:53
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DocScrutinizerfor the openness of "compile and install stuff on phone" it's as open as any $RANDOM_SMARTPHONE04:13
DocScrutinizermaybe a bit less than most others04:13
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AndrewFBlackGeneralAntilles: Ping04:16
GeneralAntillesAlso: Hey-oh. :)04:17
AndrewFBlackGeneralAntilles: Hows it been?04:17
GeneralAntillesWell enough04:17
AndrewFBlackBeen good04:17
AndrewFBlackKinda surprised to see Meego going away now to04:17
GeneralAntillesI saw the news and laughed04:18
GeneralAntillesOh well04:18
AndrewFBlackI think they have killed any chance of anyone working on there new OS because why keep working on something they are going to kill in a year04:18
GeneralAntillesWell, they have some backing from Samsung04:19
GeneralAntillesWhich'll certainly help04:19
GeneralAntillesand, seemingly, they really don't WANT that much help from the hobbyists.04:19
SpeedEvilWell - meego != maemo04:19
GeneralAntillesIt's really more LiMo than MeeGo.04:19
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AndrewFBlackYeah, I learned along time ago I was just a hobbyist and didn't matter lol04:20
depresseddon't mean to be a pain but can someone talk me through installing on my Nokia N900?04:21
ShadowJKnever heard of the one ring before04:22
AndrewFBlackGeneralAntilles you still at Florida?04:22
AndrewFBlackCool wasn't sure if you were done yet or not.04:23
AndrewFBlackdepressed: Should be in Application Manger in Extras04:24
GeneralAntillesNever. ;)04:24
depressedAndrewFBlack: I don't know how to get to extras lol04:24
depressedIf I load this file on my browser will that install ?
AndrewFBlackdepressed: Yeah should04:25
AndrewFBlackdepressed: but I've been out of the Maemo world for a while so I might not remember right04:25
depressedAndrewFBlack: still loyal to the channel lol04:26
depressedI'm kind of sick of every other platform out there04:26
AndrewFBlackdepressed: not really just logged into for first time in like a year04:26
x29awhy on earth is qtsdk trying to copy a lib.a and especially a lib.a.1 to the device? what is "the project file" i should edit? this smells like a bug :(04:31
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depressedI still can't get that installed04:50
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depressedhm it's doing it04:51
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ensoehello everyone. Anyone using x2x to remotely control n900 through their keyboard/mouse off their desktop? I'm having some difficulties getting it to work05:07
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depressedany way to export sms from android phone to n900 without nokia pc suite?05:47
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hatake_kakashidepressed, tried synchronising between two devices?06:11
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sombragrisgot a new n900 :)06:55
hatake_kakashicongrats (even though its very rare to get a new N900)06:55
sombragrismine was brand-new06:55
sombragristhey began to come to Paraguay (my country) roughly 1 year ago06:56
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sombragrisI love it06:58
sombragristoo bad Nokia all but abandoned the device06:58
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sombragrisbut that's the one I wanted...06:58
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sombragrisit is an endangered species, a great Linux-powered phone *with* a hardware keyboard.06:59
hatake_kakashishould take good care of it too, because they may never give you another N900 if you break it06:59
hatake_kakashialthough N950 is even more rare but its a developers only device06:59
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sombragrisI plan to care for it. I know about the N950, but it's impossible for me to get one.07:01
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hatake_kakashiI think its almost impossible for anyone to get one :) unless if they happen to steal it off someone else's hands07:01
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sombragrisI know. :S07:02
sombragrisso it was N900 for me.07:02
sombragrisit's amazing though, for being a 2009 device, it packs a lot of punch07:02
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* hatake_kakashi has 3 of the suckers, know all too well about it ;)07:03
sombragrishey, that's great.07:03
sombragristhey're expensive, though. I could just afford one, and barely07:04
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kwtmhatake_kakashi: Tell me about the n950. Is it like the n900, or is it like the n9 which is quite different?07:04
hatake_kakashithey are somewhat expensive yes07:04
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sombragrisAFAIK it's a slightly different version of the N9 without NFC but with hardware keyboard07:05
hatake_kakashikwtm, its more like N900 but with 1GHz processor and I think 512MB physical RAM, apart from that it has 16GB internal space and no NFC compared to N9. Maybe cannot even do pentaband.. the design of N950's shell looks like E707:05
sombragrisinteresting: just half of the N900's default storage.07:06
sombragrisPeople wonder at the beast, they can't believe it has 32 GB and a microSD slot to spare.07:06
hatake_kakashino mmc/sd upgradeability, no removeable batteries but the device still kicks ass because of its rarity and its physical capabilities07:07
kwtmok. I see from the Wikipedia page that it's not for consumers, and thus for my own purposes (ie. using the thing, and not just tinkering with it) more bang for the buck to standardize on N900.  Hope to be getting a 2nd N900 soon.07:07
hatake_kakashikwtm, only lucky Qt developers can get their hands on one, maybe even some of the nokia forum champions could apply for one. I was one of the unfortunate ones that didn't get it07:08
sombragrisI have some very basic questions about the N900, please bear with my newbieness07:08
hatake_kakashisombragris, it'll be even insane when you add another 32GB class10 to that N900 ;) I have in two of mine already07:08
sombragrisoh my :)07:09
sombragrishow much do they cost?07:09
hatake_kakashidepends on brand07:09
sombragrisone of my questions is: how can I upload a ringtone? This means: 1) what audio formats are acceptable, and 2) which is the directory where such audio file should be placed?07:10
hatake_kakashiI wouldn't buy any brand that doesn't offer lifetime warranty neither would I fork out several hundred for just a small piece of card07:10
sombragrisI see07:10
sombragriswhat about kingston ?07:11
hatake_kakashithere's three ways to upload a ringtone, 1) USB mass storage mode/PC suite mode (windows/mac only), 2) through wifi and SSH, 3) bluetooth07:11
hatake_kakashinormally music/ringtones are placed in /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds where they get indexed by trackerd (for music player, etc)07:11
hatake_kakashiI've heard mixed reviews about kingston, of a few of which were bad07:11
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hatake_kakashiThe type of ringtone that its restricted to is the same format as the type of music format its restricted to. I think exotic formats like ogg, flac, etc aren't supported by default without one installing extra-decoders support07:12
hatake_kakashimid/midi format isn't supported by default without one installing things like wildmidi + goemon tarball (which is a lot better than freepats version)07:13
sombragrisso it is mp3 then07:13
hatake_kakashiyup mp3 is widely supported07:13
sombragrisno, in fact I just plan to put an mp3 or ogg07:13
hatake_kakashiI'm not sure if ogg is supported, it might be out of the box but its not hard to install extra-decoders support either07:14
sombragrisyes, I see07:14
sombragrisbtw, which is a good media player (i.e. something that doesn stutter when you tap the screen or do something else. That would ban SMPlayer, for example)07:15
hatake_kakashiwhen you connect it through mass storage mode, you don't need to worry about creating directories like /home/user/MyDocs, because that is the default directory that will be exported once you enable mass storage mode07:15
hatake_kakashiits hard to say which is a good media player, the default one is fairly good in terms of all round performance when one has PR1.3 installed07:16
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hatake_kakashismplayer depends on mplayer which I don't think is included in extras repo, you may need to enable extras-{testing,devel}07:16
sombragrisI installed the latest update so it must be that one. I just would like to have access to equalizer or other formats07:17
sombragrisI already got mplayer. Works very well from the console.07:17
hatake_kakashiheh equaliser is not easily accessible with the standard mediaplayer07:18
sombragrisit is possible to get compilers on the N900, or all compilation has to be done in a cross-compiler ?07:20
hatake_kakashiyou can get compilers for N900 if you want to do development work on N900 itself, there's two ways of going about on it should you choose this route. One is by butchering your rootfs setup (which is what I did, not ideal), the other is running it all in chroot environment (recommended by most people, and you won't butcher your rootfs like I did). Though for larger programs, etc it might be better to do it with cross-compiler known as scratchbox07:22
hatake_kakashiI personally would much prefer doing compiling work through cross-compiler as: 1) the keyboard on a normal computer is generally better to work with, 2) I wouldn't risk shortening the life of my ARM CPU because the device comes out of manufacturer as overclocked when going at maximum speed07:24
sombragrisahh ok07:25
sombragrisin my wild dreams I thought of having a TeX setup for doing on-the-spot presentations07:26
sombragrisbut I thing that'll have to wait07:26
hatake_kakashialthough a few people still do development work on N900 itself, its just me being paranoid over the life of my devices :)07:29
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sombragrisit's a good suggestion07:31
hatake_kakashiand there are those who overclock their N900 as well -_-07:34
sombragrisoh my07:34
sombragrisI wouldn' do that, I think07:34
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hatake_kakashiI would never do that, ever. I've seen numerous threads of people saying they have problems with this and that. I asked them if they have overclocked, and they said yes. It makes me wonder if there's a strong correlation between the two, overclocking and device behaving erratically07:35
sombragrisin fact, I dont have problems with the device speed07:36
sombragris... so far ;)07:36
hatake_kakashiits a 2 year old device since it was first conceived, 2 years ago it would have been classed as a beast.07:37
sombragrisit still is, when people see it multitasking without a hiccup and with 32 GB of storage, they wonder if it's some kind of secret Nokia prototype07:39
sombragristhe only traits that tell its age are the CPU speed (not so fast for today's standards) and the thickness of the device07:40
hatake_kakashiheh talking about the thickness of the device, you reminded me of some people tried to mock a N900 owner for carrying a brick. The people mocked the owner were all doing various stuff on their other smartphones whilst connected to wifi and the N900 owner secretly tapped a few words into his device making all these other owner's smartphones disconnected from that wireless AP07:47
sombragrislol :)07:48
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hatake_kakashialso N900 isn't quite as bulky until you start putting it into otterbox commuter case or doing that 3000mAH battery mod07:49
sombragrislol :)07:50
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sombragrisjust read the link07:55
sombragrisbeautiful :)07:55
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sombragristhere's a sad thing: ovi maps do not work for me08:09
sombragriscannot get the street detail08:09
hatake_kakashido you have network connectivity for that N900 and is the N900 using network connection?08:10
sombragrisall I get is the Wifi I leech08:15
sombragrisI got wifi here, at home08:15
sombragrisbut I don't have a 3G cell phone data connection, if that's what you're asking08:16
sombragrismy SIM card is just a prepaid card, as is the case with most people here08:17
sombragris3G connections tie you to a contract and it is usally expensive08:18
hatake_kakashiwell it doesn't matter all that much about having a 3G connection (although its ideal). I'm guessing if its using your home wifi, its downloaded maps for your location and you still don't get street detail. I guess ovi maps is outdated08:21
ensoe3G is only 10 bucks / month08:27
ensoe120 a year + tax08:27
sombragrisensoe: where?08:30
ensoeUS, with T-Mobile. the "dumb-phone" plan but still works 3.5G just fine08:30
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sombragrisensoe: i'm in Paraguay08:31
sombragrisslightly different rules apply08:31
sombragrishow can I force a re-download in case that it would be possible ?08:32
hatake_kakashidownload the maps?08:37
sombragrisI got some very coarse maps08:51
sombragrisnothink like street -level08:51
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hatake_kakashiyou might need to try some other maps application, there's a fair few alternatives out there08:52
sombragriswhich ones?08:53
sombragrisnow.. as an aside08:53
sombragrisI visited, and it's perfect. It gets perfect detail on my zone. I'm just baffled I can't integrate it with my gps :S08:54
Macerskype sells n900s :)08:54
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hatake_kakashisombragris, cloudgps, geeps, mappero, marble and snuggle08:56
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sombragrishatake_kakashi: thank you.. where I could get those? marble, I know that I can get it on, but what about the others?09:01
hatake_kakashisombragris, same story09:02
hatake_kakashimost likely just off different repositories09:03
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sombragrisok :)09:07
sombragristhank you09:07
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amiconnhatake_kakashi: Lol (re that story), although.. “Here, let me just open up Firefox…" (on the N900) is a joke in itself09:19
amiconn"Let me tap that firefox icon and hope it will open in a minute or so" would be more appropriate. On N900 firefox s the slowest browser you can have by factors09:20
hatake_kakashiamiconn, I agree but I think that was deliberately mentioned to compensate for those who don't know what microB is and confuses browser with something like windows explorer or finder09:21
* amiconn uses opera mobile most of the time, because it's the fastest and because it has text reflow when zooming09:22
amiconnI only use microb when I need flash, or for visiting ovi store09:22
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sombragrisI don't really see anything on the ovi store :S09:35
hatake_kakashifrom the browser?09:40
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woldrichthis looks awesome . is there something similar for maemo 5?09:43
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sombragrishatake_kakashi : yes, I mean, I can see some apps, such as BlessN900, but there's not much apps there. looks way more interesting :)10:01
hatake_kakashisombragris, that's because ovi store is full of fail :) no really ovi has been beta for several years and it has done nothing more than piss developers off10:03
sombragrisI see10:05
sombragristhanks for the mapps apps, I think cloudgps fits the bill nicely10:05
sombragristoo bad no one works with, because it oddly gives the best mapping there10:05
sombragristhe second-best would be google maps10:06
sombragrisbut it operates in an online.only fashion10:06
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sombragrisgotta go catch some sleep10:08
sombragristhank you10:08
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bindithe important question here12:57
bindi+ is12:57
bindiwill the n9 have a terminal? :D12:57
hatake_kakashiit does12:57
hatake_kakashiits not a matter of will anymore, apparently its already released in some countries. I think my country is listed to already be released12:58
bindioh btw12:58
bindinokia's site mentioned that the n9 has a dualcore procssor12:59
hatake_kakashithat's lies12:59
bindiyeah i know12:59
bindilet me find it12:59
hatake_kakashierr that's a lie*12:59
bindii don't know if it's only on the finnish page13:00
bindi "ominaisuus 24/28" says "joka hyödyntää tehokkaasti laitteen tuplaydinprosessoria" => "which utilizes the devices dual core processor effectively"13:01
bindiis there a list of apps for the n9?13:06
bindiappstore stuff13:06
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hatake_kakashimaybe this?
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SpeedEvilIt's not 100% wrong13:22
SpeedEvilthe processor does have several cores13:22
SpeedEvilIt's just not several binary compatible cores13:22
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hatake_kakashilike the omap 3430 found on N900? :)13:24
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DocScrutinizerone thing's for sure: if it was that way, there'd be no wipo boss generated bullshit on any web for everybody to read it13:33
DocScrutinizerbtw that's the reason why AOL was such a great success ;-P13:34
LaoLang_coolhow to setlayout from a sh script?13:35
LaoLang_cooloh, wrong channel, plz ignore me...13:35
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Vanadis__oh hai13:37
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Vanadis__I'll get my N9 next week, where can i find the stock images for reflashing it?13:38
SpeedEvil /dev/random13:42
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DocScrutinizerthe dawn of the end of fremantle? As in "Welcome to #maemo (now meego)"14:11
DocScrutinizeror ruthlessly forward all harmattan related questions to #harmattan ?14:12
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robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer, that's a harmattan question! Ask it in #harmattan!14:15
DocScrutinizerthanks :-D14:15
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robbiethe1stRsyncing many GB to my new N900's MyDocs over USB, please wait.14:21
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MohammadAGvolume down to what exactly?16:40
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer - see above image16:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: ?16:44
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DibblahMohammadAG: The charging stuff on this N900 was completely busted.16:45
DibblahI'm just using the switch as a small earth.16:45
DibblahThe chip is an LTC405416:46
DibblahSingle chip lipo charger.16:46
DocScrutinizer1.5V drop * 900mA - SURE!16:48
DocScrutinizerbut wait, I suppose it's a switching regulator, with the choke integrated on die16:49
DibblahNo choke, but yes - it's not linear.16:50
SpeedEvilIs it going to an external 'docking connector' ?16:50
DocScrutinizercool, all new concept, a non linear regulator without any chokes16:50
Dibblah... capacitor...16:51
DibblahAnyway. I'm using the part as specified in the datasheet ;)16:51
DibblahAnd charging at ~250mA or so.16:52
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robbiethe1sta /blue/ board>17:14
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DocScrutinizera what?18:39
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x29aim having trouble with the qt creator in the current qtsdk. i have a project setup like this ( with libs (static) and main in a subfolder template, but when deploying to the n900, it copies the .a, .a.1, .a.1.0 etc to the device (which makes no sense, they are statically linked). this seems like a bug. within the proj-settings, it says to edit the project file for removal18:48
x29aof those entries, but i cant seem to find the right file. anybody had similiar issues? sorry for crossposts18:48
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DocScrutinizerx29a: I guess qt creator never been meant to deal with statically linked libs19:59
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DocScrutinizeror maybe the option been planned for but never really tested20:00
x29ai see20:01
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x29ai added a pre-deploy step script which puts the files where they are expected, dirty and hardcoded, but dont have the ressources to deal with it20:01
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x29athanks for getting back to me though20:01
Venemox29a, what was your question?20:02
DocScrutinizerwhy do you link statically after all?20:02
Venemox29a, sorry I haven't been around20:02
x29adocscrutinizer: its a huge project20:02
DocScrutinizerhmm, how's that related to static linked libs?20:03
Venemox29a, Qt Creator can definitely deal with static linking, same way as it deals with any other libs.20:03
Venemoin fact, Qt Creator just entrusts this task to GCC20:03
DocScrutinizerVenemo: x29a clearly described the problem20:03
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DocScrutinizerand aiui it's not a gcc related issue, rather a packaging issue20:06
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CableTwitchIs oreos here?20:07
Venemook DocScrutinizer20:08
CableTwitchAh, guess not. Never mind.20:08
Venemo~seen oreos20:08
infoboti haven't seen 'oreos', Venemo20:08
CableTwitchWell, psycho_oreos20:08
DocScrutinizer~seen psycho_oreos20:08
infobotpsycho_oreos <~no@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 6h 56m 14s ago, saying: ''.20:08
CableTwitchBut not to worry, he's not here anyhow.20:08
CableTwitchDoc, I found out what the cause of my screen woes was.20:10
* DocScrutinizer just wonders why static linking, iirc I've never seen this being done in any other project, except for *very* special cases like initd or skype or...20:10
CableTwitchSide lock switch had wonky joints, and the metal casing was loose. Sorted both, all fine now.20:10
DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: cool20:10
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CableTwitchFirst time I've fixed a broken N900 that WASN'T a software screwup20:11
CableTwitchHardware, I can deal with.20:11
DocScrutinizerI see :-)20:12
x29aVenemo: sry, been distracted by the doorbell, scenario is the following: topproject implemented with subdirs template, then one static lib and the main app. link20:12
Venemox29a, mhmm20:13
CableTwitchAhh, witchcraft.20:13
x29alinking works, no problem, the app also works, but when hitting the run/deploy button, it tries to copy the lib.a (plus the lib.a.1, lib.a.1.0, etc) to the device20:13
x29aof course, they dont exist and copying static libs to the device makes no sense20:13
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DocScrutinizerI guess there's a file list or regex somewhere to exclude files from installing them to device - find and fix it ;-D20:14
x29asince the program works, linking and the gcc part are fine, its more a qtcreator/qmake issue. i played with INSTALLS and TARGETS, but i cant find a setting to avoid the copying. also, in the .pro.user, i find the references to lib.a.1, etc but it gets generated by the qt creator20:14
Venemox29a, hmm20:16
DocScrutinizerI gather it's not installing any souce or .o either, due to that regex. Add .a20:16
x29adocscrutinizer: very likely, but all the deploy/copy to device steps are very closed (no details, or settings), the project settings show the files, but i cant delete them20:16
Venemox29a, what happens if you try putting INSTALLS=target to the end of your .pro file.20:17
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DocScrutinizermaybe deploy simply can't handle that case.20:17
CableTwitchIt explodes.20:17
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DocScrutinizerafter all a statically linked executable needs no special deploy usually, as the whole purpose is to have one self-enclosed binary that just needs copying to target20:18
x29aVenemo: thats where it resides right now20:18
x29aalso played with the order of target.path etc20:18
x29a this is the evil dialog20:18
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x29adocscrutinizer: good point, maybe i could open the subprojects themselve and remove all references to deployment20:19
Venemox29a, either add the '-after INSTALLS=target' to your qmake command line parameters (resides on the other tab of the same evil dialog), or put the same thing into your pro file20:19
Venemox29a, indeed, remove all deployment for the subprojects you don't wanna deploy. that shoud be obvious.20:20
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x29aVenemo: i assume, qtcreator adds deploy information to subprojects on its own20:21
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Venemox29a, I dunno, but you should check your .pro and .pri files20:21
DocScrutinizerfringe case - support and QA questionable20:21
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* DocScrutinizer still misses the point in statically linking that "huge project"20:22
VenemoDocScrutinizer ++20:23
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x29adocscrutinizer: alternative would be, to directly link against the .o, but then youd have to distribute compiled output or build it everytime, right?20:24
x29adynamic linking involves too much deployment overhead (copy to PATH etc) and its too specialised20:24
x29amaybe i dont get the question, sorry20:24
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Venemowhy don't you have just a single project?20:24
x29amultiple people working on it, its like modules20:25
DocScrutinizerlinking several .o seems pretty standard procedure, I don't see the issue - you deploy the binary anyway20:25
x29ait feels more seperated this way though20:26
DocScrutinizerand yes, building every time (only if sth changed) is best practice20:26
x29aVenemo: if there is a target.path reference, itll try to deploy?20:26
Venemox29a, yes20:27
x29adocscrutinizer: in case the maintainer wants to change to that approach, as far as i see, he just uses the sourcecode in his big .pro/qmake file, right?20:27
DocScrutinizerit's actually not guaranteed at all that .o from a alien arch work flawlessly, and I guess same applies for .a20:27
Venemoif you have a line 'INSTALLS += xy' and 'xy.path = /a/path/' line, then it will try to deploy that.20:27
DocScrutinizerx29a: I think this static linking resp local static libs is a valid but *very* unusual approach20:29
SpeedEvilStatic linking increases memory use.20:30
SpeedEvilIf the libs are shared.20:30
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DocScrutinizerthey aren't here aiui20:30
infobotmethinks aiui is As I Understand It20:30
DocScrutinizerso it's probably a mixed static & dynamic libs design20:30
Venemoso nice to learn something new every day.20:30
DocScrutinizerand that's even more exotic than plain static linking20:31
DocScrutinizeror it actually links completely static and wases lots of resources on that20:31
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DocScrutinizerplus overhead for installing the libs as (possibly local) .so is negligible20:33
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DocScrutinizer    man ld-linux|less +'/$ORIGIN and rpath'20:37
DocScrutinizerman ld-linux|less +"/$ORIGIN and rpath"20:38
DocScrutinizerman ld-linux|less +"/ORIGIN and rpath"20:38
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TNZ_hi all20:57
TNZ_i'm searching maemo-cssu channel.... does not exist ?20:58
digistimAnyone with n810 have any idea why my device will not connect to wireless after using macchanger?  If MAC is set back to original, it works fine.  I have gone through the router and made it "forget" this device and still no connection.20:58
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merlin1991TNZ_: it's called #maemo-ssu20:59
TNZ_oka, looking for it ... thx21:00
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digistimnevermind, I think I found the problem.21:02
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digistimI'm trying to find a workaround for the Wayfinder Map program on n810 (besides navit).  I bought a license for it and for the last 1.5 years of the 3 year license I couldn't get it working, Wayfinder went kaput.21:04
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ShadowJKThe wayfinder license server is down I think...21:10
digistimPermanently probably21:10
bindihow can i find out if my gps is broken?21:10
digistimI've been using navit, but am trying to get the old Wayfinder working again21:10
bindimaps/ecoach can't find a signal21:10
bindii'm outdoors, connected to 3G, and using A-GPS21:11
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digistimnavit is great at routing, but searching for addresses and POIs needs much work21:11
bindiit just worked and the next day it didnt21:11
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bindiread some topic21:25
bindiit said i should change to
bindii'll try that21:25
bindiyep, locked no problems21:26
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DocScrutinizeryeah, nokia has a tendency to fsck up for all platforms after max 18 months. Same for A-GPS on diablo21:32
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DocScrutinizerprobably somebody should sue them outa their pants, as warranty in EU is 24 months and you still can buy new N90021:33
DocScrutinizerso if I buy a new N900 tomorrow, I *expect* and GPS to work flawlessly for the next 24 months AT LEAST21:34
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DocScrutinizerevidently opening tickets for it doesn't help, so only thing left to do is start a case at court21:36
Sicelousing unauthorized por1121:36
Sicelosorry, wrong  window21:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I might provide a dumb metapackage that switches to in the CSSU21:37
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MohammadAGGPS didn't get a lock in 10 minutes, then I remembered the issue21:38
bindii'm using kamils batterypatch and speedpatch21:38
bindiand his overclocking keeps defaulting mine21:38
MohammadAGthen remove the "patch"21:39
bindii removed his profile and made a copy of mine with that name, and made mine default with "kernel-config default bindi" but nothing21:39
bindiwell it seems to work wonders :p21:39
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: we're fine with that on CSSU, but for stock I'd raher expect NOKIA to provide the services they build on. That's one of the major concerns about whole aegis fsck btw - in 12 months Nokia decides OVI store isn't worth any mor emaintenance and whole N9/HARM is screwed21:39
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, isn't it screwed right now?21:41
RST38hMoo all21:42
RST38hHoware things today?21:42
MohammadAGI wonder if the metapackage should say something about switching to google's servers21:42 gone for good now?21:44
MohammadAGworks fine on Symbian phones RST38h21:44
MohammadAGthey just borked it on maemo21:44
RST38hHow interesting... Is it possible at all? =)21:45
MohammadAGprobably :P21:46
MohammadAGit works fine on my N8621:46
RST38hWeird shit. I thought the whole supl thing was standardized...21:47
* RST38h switched to though, a week or so ago, after failing to get a fix via
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: why META?21:53
DocScrutinizerRST38h: seems the indications sum up, yeah21:53
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, cause it's just a postinst21:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: well, there's for sure nothing wrong with a normal NULL pkg to switch to (analog to *#-ena)21:55
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yeah, but the user should be aware21:55
MohammadAGespecially with people being paranoid about google21:56
DocScrutinizerthere's a package name, a pkg-beautyname, and a pkg description - that should suffice for such a harmless non-invasive config change21:57
DocScrutinizerfor CSSU I'd think we *might* consider installing it by default21:58
DocScrutinizerthere's some sort of readme anyway for CSSU21:58
DocScrutinizerbut honestly I'm pissed about Nokia again doing the "let's mess it up" dance for supl22:00
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: otoh I honestly doubt a pkg is worth the effort for a setting that's easily done by the worst noob out there, when provided 2 sentences of instructions22:17
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DocScrutinizersentence #1: "open settings, open location in settings." #2: "in "location server:" change "" to "" "22:19
DocScrutinizerI guess I'd already finish testing GPS functionality the moment HAM would have gone halfway thru updating extras-devel repo22:23
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keriowhat's this supl thing?22:52
SpeedEvilGPS assistance23:01
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x29aVenemo: without the INSTALLS in my libs, it tries to copy them to '' on the device, aaah, i dont get it23:05
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Venemox29a :(23:06
x29awhat would -after INSTALLS=target do exactly?23:10
x29aor could i simply include the libs .pro file in the so it gets built?23:11
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DocScrutinizerhell, if you include it into your build chain then why the heck do you need it to be a local static lib? a simple .o wouldn't behave *any* different23:32
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* DocScrutinizer completely fails to see why a lib.a is needed when it "gets built" anyway.23:34
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DocScrutinizerI thought you planned to share the binary between several developers, so you get the questionable benefit of not needing to compile it locally. If you compile locally anyway ("get built") then there's definitely no rationale at all to make this a lib.a - just build a friggin standard .o and keep that binary for linking on your next compiler run. You're aware the whole purpose of make is to avoid compilation of unchanged .o, so you're not23:40
DocScrutinizergoing to build the complete project each time you change a single bit in a small sourcecode file, are you?23:40
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Corsachmhm, there's a syncml client obex channel on n900 by default23:46
Corsacthat's interesting, though I can't understand how to use it23:46
DocScrutinizerI think e.g. BT contacts export/import is using it23:49
DocScrutinizerI might be wrong though23:50
Corsachmhm, the contact export function is only by exporting vcard on a local folder afaict23:50
MohammadAGthere's also the phone book profile23:51
Corsacbut yeah, for import that'd work23:51
Corsacphone book profile?23:51
MohammadAGthe one for cars with built in phonebooks23:51
MohammadAGthe car fetches your phone book when you connect23:51
MohammadAGnever worked for me, even with the patched package23:52
* MohammadAG blames the Windows CE based car system23:52
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CorsacI'm puzzled why I can use syncml from my t61 laptop and not from my x201s, it says connection refused each time23:52
Corsacwith the same config :/23:53
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DocScrutinizerwell, if there's no other diffs, there's still a different BT firmware I guess, unless you are using the same BT dongle on both23:57
DocScrutinizer(export only for vcards) hmm, somehow N9 manages to save contacts to N900 and get it back from there23:58
DocScrutinizers/it back/tnem back/23:59
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: (export only for vcards) hmm, somehow N9 manages to save contacts to N900 and get tnem back from there23:59
MohammadAGI love and hate how the N9 doesn't actually merge contacts23:59
MohammadAG(you can unmerge them back, positive)23:59

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