| hatake_kakashi | ahh you're the bloke that recommended me to that page :D yes the CSOC and RSOC shows 100% however, my other N900 does not exhibit the same problem even if I momentarily disconnect its wall charger cable | 00:00 |
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| hatake_kakashi | bah :/ that means I'll need to get my microUSB port fixed on that 2101 N900 | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's most likely a hw defect on either USB plug or USB receptacle contacts or soldering pins | 00:02 |
| hatake_kakashi | great... :| thanks guys for input | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for the inconsistent behaviour regarding (not) signalling charger removal and re-insertion, I also noticed that and tbh I don't have a good story completely explaining it | 00:03 |
| hatake_kakashi | also.. on my recent trip to h.k. I bought a microUSB port. Now I read there's three types of microUSB but does the port (female connector) also define what type of microUSB it is? or is it actually the wiring? If its wiring can solder easily redefine it or not? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | there also seems to be a sleeping bug in PK about charger detection rsp enabling charging rsp booting when on charger | 00:05 |
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| hatake_kakashi | hmm I personally haven't noticed that on any of my N900, not with device not notifying of removal and re-insertion | 00:05 |
| hatake_kakashi | though on my old (2204) N900, I do have intermittent issues with initial connection to wall charger in sleep mode. Device does not note that its charging nor does it seem to be accepting any inducted currents. However reinserting the wall charger cable the device automatically puts itself to charge mode | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's roughly what I was talking about, yes | 00:07 |
| hatake_kakashi | I'm guessing that could be the sleeping bug you were referring to | 00:07 |
| hatake_kakashi | ahh yes.. I was getting a little confused over the terminology rsp | 00:08 |
| hatake_kakashi | rsp = response? | 00:08 |
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| TiagoTiago | ading off, cya | 00:30 |
| TiagoTiago | i'm heading off* | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | respective | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe s/rsp/or/ | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually my dictionary says /resp is the right term | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | respectively /resp./; and/or | 00:33 |
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| hatake_kakashi | ahh I'm not familiar with shorthands :) | 00:36 |
| hatake_kakashi | though I'm slowly picking it all up | 00:36 |
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| x29a | hm, im using qtsdk to deploy my app (containing an internal library) to my n900 (copy), and it tries to copy lib.a.1, lib.a.1.0 etc, but doesnt generate/symlink those | 02:39 |
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| x29a | now i would like to remove the entries of lib.a.1 etc, because i dont need them on the phone, it says to edit the project file, but i cant find the reference there, any hints? | 02:40 |
| x29a | dirty fix would be to call a post compile script to generate the symlinks | 02:41 |
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| adnc | hello, I was planning to buy a N900. is this still worth going for, or is there an alternative that use maemo ? | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | The n9 is a very different device that uses an operating system developed from maemo | 03:41 |
| adnc | SpeedEvil, is that n9 open like n900? | 03:42 |
| adnc | or is it going to use a special maemo? | 03:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not nearly as open. It depends which bits of open are important to you. | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you compile and install stuff on the phone - yes. | 03:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Biggest N9 advantage is quadruple RAM. Biggest negative is no keyboard and closed. | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Closed is a relative term. | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Closed compared to the n900, yes. | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the openness of "compile and install stuff on phone" it's as open as any $RANDOM_SMARTPHONE | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe a bit less than most others | 04:13 |
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| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: Ping | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pong? | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: Hey-oh. :) | 04:17 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: Hows it been? | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well enough | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You? | 04:17 |
| AndrewFBlack | Been good | 04:17 |
| AndrewFBlack | Kinda surprised to see Meego going away now to | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I saw the news and laughed | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well | 04:18 |
| AndrewFBlack | I think they have killed any chance of anyone working on there new OS because why keep working on something they are going to kill in a year | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, they have some backing from Samsung | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which'll certainly help | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, seemingly, they really don't WANT that much help from the hobbyists. | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - meego != maemo | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really more LiMo than MeeGo. | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 04:19 |
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| depressed | hello | 04:20 |
| AndrewFBlack | Yeah, I learned along time ago I was just a hobbyist and didn't matter lol | 04:20 |
| depressed | don't mean to be a pain but can someone talk me through installing http://wiki.maemo.org/The_One_Ring on my Nokia N900? | 04:21 |
| ShadowJK | never heard of the one ring before | 04:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles you still at Florida? | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeppers | 04:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | Cool wasn't sure if you were done yet or not. | 04:23 |
| AndrewFBlack | depressed: Should be in Application Manger in Extras | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never. ;) | 04:24 |
| depressed | AndrewFBlack: I don't know how to get to extras lol | 04:24 |
| depressed | If I load this file on my browser will that install ? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/Maemo5/telepathy-theonering/?get_installfile | 04:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | depressed: Yeah should | 04:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | depressed: but I've been out of the Maemo world for a while so I might not remember right | 04:25 |
| depressed | AndrewFBlack: still loyal to the channel lol | 04:26 |
| depressed | I'm kind of sick of every other platform out there | 04:26 |
| AndrewFBlack | depressed: not really just logged into for first time in like a year | 04:26 |
| depressed | cool | 04:26 |
| x29a | why on earth is qtsdk trying to copy a lib.a and especially a lib.a.1 to the device? what is "the project file" i should edit? this smells like a bug :( | 04:31 |
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| depressed | I still can't get that installed | 04:50 |
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| depressed | hm it's doing it | 04:51 |
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| ensoe | hello everyone. Anyone using x2x to remotely control n900 through their keyboard/mouse off their desktop? I'm having some difficulties getting it to work | 05:07 |
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| depressed | any way to export sms from android phone to n900 without nokia pc suite? | 05:47 |
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| hatake_kakashi | depressed, tried synchronising between two devices? | 06:11 |
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| sombragris | hi.. | 06:55 |
| sombragris | got a new n900 :) | 06:55 |
| hatake_kakashi | congrats (even though its very rare to get a new N900) | 06:55 |
| sombragris | mine was brand-new | 06:55 |
| sombragris | they began to come to Paraguay (my country) roughly 1 year ago | 06:56 |
| sombragris | :) | 06:56 |
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| sombragris | I love it | 06:58 |
| sombragris | too bad Nokia all but abandoned the device | 06:58 |
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| sombragris | but that's the one I wanted... | 06:58 |
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| sombragris | it is an endangered species, a great Linux-powered phone *with* a hardware keyboard. | 06:59 |
| hatake_kakashi | should take good care of it too, because they may never give you another N900 if you break it | 06:59 |
| hatake_kakashi | although N950 is even more rare but its a developers only device | 06:59 |
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| sombragris | I plan to care for it. I know about the N950, but it's impossible for me to get one. | 07:01 |
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| hatake_kakashi | I think its almost impossible for anyone to get one :) unless if they happen to steal it off someone else's hands | 07:01 |
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| sombragris | I know. :S | 07:02 |
| sombragris | so it was N900 for me. | 07:02 |
| sombragris | it's amazing though, for being a 2009 device, it packs a lot of punch | 07:02 |
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| * hatake_kakashi has 3 of the suckers, know all too well about it ;) | 07:03 | |
| sombragris | hey, that's great. | 07:03 |
| sombragris | they're expensive, though. I could just afford one, and barely | 07:04 |
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| kwtm | hatake_kakashi: Tell me about the n950. Is it like the n900, or is it like the n9 which is quite different? | 07:04 |
| hatake_kakashi | they are somewhat expensive yes | 07:04 |
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| sombragris | AFAIK it's a slightly different version of the N9 without NFC but with hardware keyboard | 07:05 |
| hatake_kakashi | kwtm, its more like N900 but with 1GHz processor and I think 512MB physical RAM, apart from that it has 16GB internal space and no NFC compared to N9. Maybe cannot even do pentaband.. the design of N950's shell looks like E7 | 07:05 |
| sombragris | interesting: just half of the N900's default storage. | 07:06 |
| sombragris | People wonder at the beast, they can't believe it has 32 GB and a microSD slot to spare. | 07:06 |
| hatake_kakashi | no mmc/sd upgradeability, no removeable batteries but the device still kicks ass because of its rarity and its physical capabilities | 07:07 |
| kwtm | ok. I see from the Wikipedia page that it's not for consumers, and thus for my own purposes (ie. using the thing, and not just tinkering with it) more bang for the buck to standardize on N900. Hope to be getting a 2nd N900 soon. | 07:07 |
| hatake_kakashi | kwtm, only lucky Qt developers can get their hands on one, maybe even some of the nokia forum champions could apply for one. I was one of the unfortunate ones that didn't get it | 07:08 |
| sombragris | I have some very basic questions about the N900, please bear with my newbieness | 07:08 |
| hatake_kakashi | sombragris, it'll be even insane when you add another 32GB class10 to that N900 ;) I have in two of mine already | 07:08 |
| sombragris | oh my :) | 07:09 |
| sombragris | how much do they cost? | 07:09 |
| hatake_kakashi | depends on brand | 07:09 |
| sombragris | one of my questions is: how can I upload a ringtone? This means: 1) what audio formats are acceptable, and 2) which is the directory where such audio file should be placed? | 07:10 |
| hatake_kakashi | I wouldn't buy any brand that doesn't offer lifetime warranty neither would I fork out several hundred for just a small piece of card | 07:10 |
| sombragris | I see | 07:10 |
| sombragris | what about kingston ? | 07:11 |
| hatake_kakashi | there's three ways to upload a ringtone, 1) USB mass storage mode/PC suite mode (windows/mac only), 2) through wifi and SSH, 3) bluetooth | 07:11 |
| hatake_kakashi | normally music/ringtones are placed in /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds where they get indexed by trackerd (for music player, etc) | 07:11 |
| hatake_kakashi | I've heard mixed reviews about kingston, of a few of which were bad | 07:11 |
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| hatake_kakashi | The type of ringtone that its restricted to is the same format as the type of music format its restricted to. I think exotic formats like ogg, flac, etc aren't supported by default without one installing extra-decoders support | 07:12 |
| hatake_kakashi | mid/midi format isn't supported by default without one installing things like wildmidi + goemon tarball (which is a lot better than freepats version) | 07:13 |
| sombragris | so it is mp3 then | 07:13 |
| hatake_kakashi | yup mp3 is widely supported | 07:13 |
| sombragris | no, in fact I just plan to put an mp3 or ogg | 07:13 |
| hatake_kakashi | I'm not sure if ogg is supported, it might be out of the box but its not hard to install extra-decoders support either | 07:14 |
| sombragris | yes, I see | 07:14 |
| sombragris | btw, which is a good media player (i.e. something that doesn stutter when you tap the screen or do something else. That would ban SMPlayer, for example) | 07:15 |
| hatake_kakashi | when you connect it through mass storage mode, you don't need to worry about creating directories like /home/user/MyDocs, because that is the default directory that will be exported once you enable mass storage mode | 07:15 |
| hatake_kakashi | its hard to say which is a good media player, the default one is fairly good in terms of all round performance when one has PR1.3 installed | 07:16 |
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| hatake_kakashi | smplayer depends on mplayer which I don't think is included in extras repo, you may need to enable extras-{testing,devel} | 07:16 |
| sombragris | I installed the latest update so it must be that one. I just would like to have access to equalizer or other formats | 07:17 |
| sombragris | I already got mplayer. Works very well from the console. | 07:17 |
| hatake_kakashi | heh equaliser is not easily accessible with the standard mediaplayer | 07:18 |
| sombragris | :) | 07:19 |
| sombragris | it is possible to get compilers on the N900, or all compilation has to be done in a cross-compiler ? | 07:20 |
| hatake_kakashi | you can get compilers for N900 if you want to do development work on N900 itself, there's two ways of going about on it should you choose this route. One is by butchering your rootfs setup (which is what I did, not ideal), the other is running it all in chroot environment (recommended by most people, and you won't butcher your rootfs like I did). Though for larger programs, etc it might be better to do it with cross-compiler known as scratchbox | 07:22 |
| sombragris | ok | 07:23 |
| hatake_kakashi | I personally would much prefer doing compiling work through cross-compiler as: 1) the keyboard on a normal computer is generally better to work with, 2) I wouldn't risk shortening the life of my ARM CPU because the device comes out of manufacturer as overclocked when going at maximum speed | 07:24 |
| sombragris | ahh ok | 07:25 |
| sombragris | in my wild dreams I thought of having a TeX setup for doing on-the-spot presentations | 07:26 |
| sombragris | but I thing that'll have to wait | 07:26 |
| hatake_kakashi | although a few people still do development work on N900 itself, its just me being paranoid over the life of my devices :) | 07:29 |
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| sombragris | :) | 07:31 |
| sombragris | it's a good suggestion | 07:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | and there are those who overclock their N900 as well -_- | 07:34 |
| sombragris | oh my | 07:34 |
| sombragris | I wouldn' do that, I think | 07:34 |
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| hatake_kakashi | I would never do that, ever. I've seen numerous threads of people saying they have problems with this and that. I asked them if they have overclocked, and they said yes. It makes me wonder if there's a strong correlation between the two, overclocking and device behaving erratically | 07:35 |
| sombragris | in fact, I dont have problems with the device speed | 07:36 |
| sombragris | ... so far ;) | 07:36 |
| hatake_kakashi | its a 2 year old device since it was first conceived, 2 years ago it would have been classed as a beast. | 07:37 |
| sombragris | it still is, when people see it multitasking without a hiccup and with 32 GB of storage, they wonder if it's some kind of secret Nokia prototype | 07:39 |
| sombragris | the only traits that tell its age are the CPU speed (not so fast for today's standards) and the thickness of the device | 07:40 |
| hatake_kakashi | heh talking about the thickness of the device, you reminded me of some people tried to mock a N900 owner for carrying a brick. The people mocked the owner were all doing various stuff on their other smartphones whilst connected to wifi and the N900 owner secretly tapped a few words into his device making all these other owner's smartphones disconnected from that wireless AP | 07:47 |
| sombragris | lol :) | 07:48 |
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| hatake_kakashi | source: http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html | 07:49 |
| hatake_kakashi | also N900 isn't quite as bulky until you start putting it into otterbox commuter case or doing that 3000mAH battery mod | 07:49 |
| sombragris | lol :) | 07:50 |
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| sombragris | just read the link | 07:55 |
| sombragris | beautiful :) | 07:55 |
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| sombragris | there's a sad thing: ovi maps do not work for me | 08:09 |
| sombragris | cannot get the street detail | 08:09 |
| hatake_kakashi | do you have network connectivity for that N900 and is the N900 using network connection? | 08:10 |
| sombragris | all I get is the Wifi I leech | 08:15 |
| sombragris | I got wifi here, at home | 08:15 |
| sombragris | but I don't have a 3G cell phone data connection, if that's what you're asking | 08:16 |
| sombragris | my SIM card is just a prepaid card, as is the case with most people here | 08:17 |
| sombragris | 3G connections tie you to a contract and it is usally expensive | 08:18 |
| hatake_kakashi | well it doesn't matter all that much about having a 3G connection (although its ideal). I'm guessing if its using your home wifi, its downloaded maps for your location and you still don't get street detail. I guess ovi maps is outdated | 08:21 |
| ensoe | 3G is only 10 bucks / month | 08:27 |
| ensoe | 120 a year + tax | 08:27 |
| sombragris | ensoe: where? | 08:30 |
| ensoe | US, with T-Mobile. the "dumb-phone" plan but still works 3.5G just fine | 08:30 |
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| sombragris | ensoe: i'm in Paraguay | 08:31 |
| sombragris | :S | 08:31 |
| sombragris | slightly different rules apply | 08:31 |
| sombragris | how can I force a re-download in case that it would be possible ? | 08:32 |
| hatake_kakashi | download the maps? | 08:37 |
| sombragris | yes | 08:50 |
| sombragris | I got some very coarse maps | 08:51 |
| sombragris | nothink like street -level | 08:51 |
| sombragris | :S | 08:51 |
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| hatake_kakashi | you might need to try some other maps application, there's a fair few alternatives out there | 08:52 |
| sombragris | which ones? | 08:53 |
| sombragris | now.. as an aside | 08:53 |
| sombragris | I visited maps.nokia.com, and it's perfect. It gets perfect detail on my zone. I'm just baffled I can't integrate it with my gps :S | 08:54 |
| Macer | skype sells n900s :) | 08:54 |
| Macer | lol | 08:54 |
| Macer | $420 | 08:54 |
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| hatake_kakashi | sombragris, cloudgps, geeps, mappero, marble and snuggle | 08:56 |
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| sombragris | hatake_kakashi: thank you.. where I could get those? marble, I know that I can get it on maemo.org, but what about the others? | 09:01 |
| hatake_kakashi | sombragris, same story | 09:02 |
| hatake_kakashi | most likely just off different repositories | 09:03 |
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| sombragris | ok :) | 09:07 |
| sombragris | thank you | 09:07 |
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| amiconn | hatake_kakashi: Lol (re that story), although.. “Here, let me just open up Firefox…" (on the N900) is a joke in itself | 09:19 |
| amiconn | "Let me tap that firefox icon and hope it will open in a minute or so" would be more appropriate. On N900 firefox s the slowest browser you can have by factors | 09:20 |
| hatake_kakashi | amiconn, I agree but I think that was deliberately mentioned to compensate for those who don't know what microB is and confuses browser with something like windows explorer or finder | 09:21 |
| * amiconn uses opera mobile most of the time, because it's the fastest and because it has text reflow when zooming | 09:22 | |
| amiconn | I only use microb when I need flash, or for visiting ovi store | 09:22 |
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| sombragris | I don't really see anything on the ovi store :S | 09:35 |
| hatake_kakashi | from the browser? | 09:40 |
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| woldrich | this looks awesome http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/kobayashi/ . is there something similar for maemo 5? | 09:43 |
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| sombragris | hatake_kakashi : yes, I mean, I can see some apps, such as BlessN900, but there's not much apps there. Maemo.org looks way more interesting :) | 10:01 |
| hatake_kakashi | sombragris, that's because ovi store is full of fail :) no really ovi has been beta for several years and it has done nothing more than piss developers off | 10:03 |
| sombragris | I see | 10:05 |
| sombragris | thanks for the mapps apps, I think cloudgps fits the bill nicely | 10:05 |
| sombragris | too bad no one works with maps.nokia.com, because it oddly gives the best mapping there | 10:05 |
| sombragris | the second-best would be google maps | 10:06 |
| sombragris | but it operates in an online.only fashion | 10:06 |
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| hatake_kakashi | maps.nokia.com is no longer the greatest one because they hardly update theirs and plus the SUPL server intermittently works | 10:07 |
| sombragris | ok | 10:08 |
| sombragris | well | 10:08 |
| sombragris | gotta go catch some sleep | 10:08 |
| sombragris | thank you | 10:08 |
| sombragris | g'night | 10:08 |
| sombragris | bye! | 10:08 |
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| bindi | the important question here | 12:57 |
| bindi | + is | 12:57 |
| bindi | will the n9 have a terminal? :D | 12:57 |
| hatake_kakashi | it does | 12:57 |
| hatake_kakashi | its not a matter of will anymore, apparently its already released in some countries. I think my country is listed to already be released | 12:58 |
| bindi | oh btw | 12:58 |
| bindi | nokia's site mentioned that the n9 has a dualcore procssor | 12:59 |
| hatake_kakashi | that's lies | 12:59 |
| bindi | yeah i know | 12:59 |
| bindi | let me find it | 12:59 |
| hatake_kakashi | err that's a lie* | 12:59 |
| bindi | i don't know if it's only on the finnish page | 13:00 |
| bindi | http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/ "ominaisuus 24/28" says "joka hyödyntää tehokkaasti laitteen tuplaydinprosessoria" => "which utilizes the devices dual core processor effectively" | 13:01 |
| bindi | is there a list of apps for the n9? | 13:06 |
| bindi | appstore stuff | 13:06 |
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| hatake_kakashi | maybe this? http://nokiagadgets.com/?cat=265 | 13:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not 100% wrong | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | the processor does have several cores | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just not several binary compatible cores | 13:22 |
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| hatake_kakashi | like the omap 3430 found on N900? :) | 13:24 |
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| ruskie | http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.html | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | one thing's for sure: if it was that way, there'd be no wipo boss generated bullshit on any web for everybody to read it | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw that's the reason why AOL was such a great success ;-P | 13:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | how to setlayout from a sh script? | 13:35 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, wrong channel, plz ignore me... | 13:35 |
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| Vanadis__ | oh hai | 13:37 |
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| Vanadis__ | I'll get my N9 next week, where can i find the stock images for reflashing it? | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/random | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the dawn of the end of fremantle? As in "Welcome to #maemo (now meego)" | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ruthlessly forward all harmattan related questions to #harmattan ? | 14:12 |
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| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer, that's a harmattan question! Ask it in #harmattan! | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-D | 14:15 |
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| robbiethe1st | Rsyncing many GB to my new N900's MyDocs over USB, please wait. | 14:21 |
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| Dibblah | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lwSdyZrT658/TpGej9mtM2I/AAAAAAAABx0/CHlL5zrts2A/s800/IMG_0422.JPG | 16:38 |
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| MohammadAG | volume down to what exactly? | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer - see above image | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ? | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 16:45 |
| Dibblah | MohammadAG: The charging stuff on this N900 was completely busted. | 16:45 |
| Dibblah | I'm just using the switch as a small earth. | 16:45 |
| Dibblah | The chip is an LTC4054 | 16:46 |
| Dibblah | Single chip lipo charger. | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1.5V drop * 900mA - SURE! | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | but wait, I suppose it's a switching regulator, with the choke integrated on die | 16:49 |
| Dibblah | No choke, but yes - it's not linear. | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it going to an external 'docking connector' ? | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool, all new concept, a non linear regulator without any chokes | 16:50 |
| Dibblah | ... capacitor... | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:51 |
| Dibblah | Anyway. I'm using the part as specified in the datasheet ;) | 16:51 |
| Dibblah | And charging at ~250mA or so. | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a what? | 18:39 |
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| x29a | im having trouble with the qt creator in the current qtsdk. i have a project setup like this (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2288292/qmake-project-dependencies-linked-libraries) with libs (static) and main in a subfolder template, but when deploying to the n900, it copies the .a, .a.1, .a.1.0 etc to the device (which makes no sense, they are statically linked). this seems like a bug. within the proj-settings, it says to edit the project file for removal | 18:48 |
| x29a | of those entries, but i cant seem to find the right file. anybody had similiar issues? sorry for crossposts | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | x29a: I guess qt creator never been meant to deal with statically linked libs | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe the option been planned for but never really tested | 20:00 |
| x29a | i see | 20:01 |
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| x29a | i added a pre-deploy step script which puts the files where they are expected, dirty and hardcoded, but dont have the ressources to deal with it | 20:01 |
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| x29a | thanks for getting back to me though | 20:01 |
| Venemo | x29a, what was your question? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | why do you link statically after all? | 20:02 |
| Venemo | x29a, sorry I haven't been around | 20:02 |
| x29a | docscrutinizer: its a huge project | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, how's that related to static linked libs? | 20:03 |
| Venemo | x29a, Qt Creator can definitely deal with static linking, same way as it deals with any other libs. | 20:03 |
| Venemo | in fact, Qt Creator just entrusts this task to GCC | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: x29a clearly described the problem | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and aiui it's not a gcc related issue, rather a packaging issue | 20:06 |
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| CableTwitch | Is oreos here? | 20:07 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 20:08 |
| Venemo | ok DocScrutinizer | 20:08 |
| CableTwitch | Ah, guess not. Never mind. | 20:08 |
| Venemo | ~seen oreos | 20:08 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'oreos', Venemo | 20:08 |
| CableTwitch | Well, psycho_oreos | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen psycho_oreos | 20:08 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos <~no@115.131.16.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 6h 56m 14s ago, saying: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folder_%28computing%29'. | 20:08 |
| CableTwitch | But not to worry, he's not here anyhow. | 20:08 |
| CableTwitch | Doc, I found out what the cause of my screen woes was. | 20:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders why static linking, iirc I've never seen this being done in any other project, except for *very* special cases like initd or skype or... | 20:10 | |
| CableTwitch | Side lock switch had wonky joints, and the metal casing was loose. Sorted both, all fine now. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: cool | 20:10 |
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| CableTwitch | First time I've fixed a broken N900 that WASN'T a software screwup | 20:11 |
| CableTwitch | Hardware, I can deal with. | 20:11 |
| Venemo | :D | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see :-) | 20:12 |
| x29a | Venemo: sry, been distracted by the doorbell, scenario is the following: topproject implemented with subdirs template, then one static lib and the main app. link | 20:12 |
| x29a | argh | 20:12 |
| Venemo | x29a, mhmm | 20:13 |
| CableTwitch | Ahh, witchcraft. | 20:13 |
| x29a | linking works, no problem, the app also works, but when hitting the run/deploy button, it tries to copy the lib.a (plus the lib.a.1, lib.a.1.0, etc) to the device | 20:13 |
| x29a | of course, they dont exist and copying static libs to the device makes no sense | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess there's a file list or regex somewhere to exclude files from installing them to device - find and fix it ;-D | 20:14 |
| x29a | since the program works, linking and the gcc part are fine, its more a qtcreator/qmake issue. i played with INSTALLS and TARGETS, but i cant find a setting to avoid the copying. also, in the .pro.user, i find the references to lib.a.1, etc but it gets generated by the qt creator | 20:14 |
| Venemo | x29a, hmm | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather it's not installing any souce or .o either, due to that regex. Add .a | 20:16 |
| x29a | docscrutinizer: very likely, but all the deploy/copy to device steps are very closed (no details, or settings), the project settings show the files, but i cant delete them | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm | 20:16 |
| Venemo | x29a, what happens if you try putting INSTALLS=target to the end of your .pro file. | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe deploy simply can't handle that case. | 20:17 |
| CableTwitch | It explodes. | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after all a statically linked executable needs no special deploy usually, as the whole purpose is to have one self-enclosed binary that just needs copying to target | 20:18 |
| x29a | Venemo: thats where it resides right now | 20:18 |
| x29a | also played with the order of target.path etc | 20:18 |
| x29a | http://i.imgur.com/rkaoD.png this is the evil dialog | 20:18 |
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| x29a | docscrutinizer: good point, maybe i could open the subprojects themselve and remove all references to deployment | 20:19 |
| Venemo | x29a, either add the '-after INSTALLS=target' to your qmake command line parameters (resides on the other tab of the same evil dialog), or put the same thing into your pro file | 20:19 |
| Venemo | x29a, indeed, remove all deployment for the subprojects you don't wanna deploy. that shoud be obvious. | 20:20 |
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| x29a | Venemo: i assume, qtcreator adds deploy information to subprojects on its own | 20:21 |
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| Venemo | x29a, I dunno, but you should check your .pro and .pri files | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | fringe case - support and QA questionable | 20:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer still misses the point in statically linking that "huge project" | 20:22 | |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer ++ | 20:23 |
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| x29a | docscrutinizer: alternative would be, to directly link against the .o, but then youd have to distribute compiled output or build it everytime, right? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 20:24 |
| x29a | dynamic linking involves too much deployment overhead (copy to PATH etc) and its too specialised | 20:24 |
| x29a | maybe i dont get the question, sorry | 20:24 |
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| Venemo | why don't you have just a single project? | 20:24 |
| x29a | multiple people working on it, its like modules | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | linking several .o seems pretty standard procedure, I don't see the issue - you deploy the binary anyway | 20:25 |
| x29a | it feels more seperated this way though | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, building every time (only if sth changed) is best practice | 20:26 |
| x29a | Venemo: if there is a target.path reference, itll try to deploy? | 20:26 |
| Venemo | x29a, yes | 20:27 |
| x29a | docscrutinizer: in case the maintainer wants to change to that approach, as far as i see, he just uses the sourcecode in his big .pro/qmake file, right? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's actually not guaranteed at all that .o from a alien arch work flawlessly, and I guess same applies for .a | 20:27 |
| Venemo | if you have a line 'INSTALLS += xy' and 'xy.path = /a/path/' line, then it will try to deploy that. | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | x29a: I think this static linking resp local static libs is a valid but *very* unusual approach | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Static linking increases memory use. | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | If the libs are shared. | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they aren't here aiui | 20:30 |
| Venemo | ~aiui | 20:30 |
| infobot | methinks aiui is As I Understand It | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's probably a mixed static & dynamic libs design | 20:30 |
| Venemo | so nice to learn something new every day. | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's even more exotic than plain static linking | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or it actually links completely static and wases lots of resources on that | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasts | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus overhead for installing the libs as (possibly local) .so is negligible | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html man ld-linux|less +'/$ORIGIN and rpath' | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | man ld-linux|less +"/$ORIGIN and rpath" | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | man ld-linux|less +"/ORIGIN and rpath" | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-/ | 20:39 |
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| TNZ_ | hi all | 20:57 |
| TNZ_ | i'm searching maemo-cssu channel.... does not exist ? | 20:58 |
| digistim | Anyone with n810 have any idea why my device will not connect to wireless after using macchanger? If MAC is set back to original, it works fine. I have gone through the router and made it "forget" this device and still no connection. | 20:58 |
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| merlin1991 | TNZ_: it's called #maemo-ssu | 20:59 |
| TNZ_ | oka, looking for it ... thx | 21:00 |
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| digistim | nevermind, I think I found the problem. | 21:02 |
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| digistim | I'm trying to find a workaround for the Wayfinder Map program on n810 (besides navit). I bought a license for it and for the last 1.5 years of the 3 year license I couldn't get it working, Wayfinder went kaput. | 21:04 |
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| ShadowJK | The wayfinder license server is down I think... | 21:10 |
| digistim | Permanently probably | 21:10 |
| bindi | hmm | 21:10 |
| bindi | how can i find out if my gps is broken? | 21:10 |
| digistim | I've been using navit, but am trying to get the old Wayfinder working again | 21:10 |
| bindi | maps/ecoach can't find a signal | 21:10 |
| bindi | i'm outdoors, connected to 3G, and using A-GPS | 21:11 |
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| digistim | navit is great at routing, but searching for addresses and POIs needs much work | 21:11 |
| bindi | it just worked and the next day it didnt | 21:11 |
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| bindi | :< | 21:24 |
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| bindi | read some topic | 21:25 |
| bindi | it said i should change supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com | 21:25 |
| bindi | i'll try that | 21:25 |
| bindi | yep, locked no problems | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, nokia has a tendency to fsck up supl.nokia.com for all platforms after max 18 months. Same for A-GPS on diablo | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably somebody should sue them outa their pants, as warranty in EU is 24 months and you still can buy new N900 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if I buy a new N900 tomorrow, I *expect* supl.nokia.com and GPS to work flawlessly for the next 24 months AT LEAST | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | evidently opening tickets for it doesn't help, so only thing left to do is start a case at court | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | using unauthorized por11 | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | sorry, wrong window | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I might provide a dumb metapackage that switches to supl.google.com in the CSSU | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG | GPS didn't get a lock in 10 minutes, then I remembered the supl.nokia issue | 21:38 |
| bindi | argh | 21:38 |
| bindi | i'm using kamils batterypatch and speedpatch | 21:38 |
| bindi | and his overclocking keeps defaulting mine | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | then remove the "patch" | 21:39 |
| bindi | i removed his profile and made a copy of mine with that name, and made mine default with "kernel-config default bindi" but nothing | 21:39 |
| bindi | well it seems to work wonders :p | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: we're fine with that on CSSU, but for stock I'd raher expect NOKIA to provide the services they build on. That's one of the major concerns about whole aegis fsck btw - in 12 months Nokia decides OVI store isn't worth any mor emaintenance and whole N9/HARM is screwed | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, isn't it screwed right now? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Howare things today? | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if the metapackage should say something about switching to google's servers | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Doc:supl.nokia.com gone for good now? | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | works fine on Symbian phones RST38h | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | they just borked it on maemo | 21:44 |
| RST38h | How interesting... Is it possible at all? =) | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | probably :P | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | it works fine on my N86 | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Weird shit. I thought the whole supl thing was standardized... | 21:47 |
| * RST38h switched to supl.google.com though, a week or so ago, after failing to get a fix via supl.nokia.com | 21:47 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: why META? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: seems the indications sum up, yeah | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, cause it's just a postinst | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: well, there's for sure nothing wrong with a normal NULL pkg to switch supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com (analog to *#-ena) | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, but the user should be aware | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | especially with people being paranoid about google | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a package name, a pkg-beautyname, and a pkg description - that should suffice for such a harmless non-invasive config change | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | for CSSU I'd think we *might* consider installing it by default | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's some sort of readme anyway for CSSU | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly I'm pissed about Nokia again doing the "let's mess it up" dance for supl | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: otoh I honestly doubt a pkg is worth the effort for a setting that's easily done by the worst noob out there, when provided 2 sentences of instructions | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sentence #1: "open settings, open location in settings." #2: "in "location server:" change "supl.nokia.com" to "supl.google.com" " | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess I'd already finish testing GPS functionality the moment HAM would have gone halfway thru updating extras-devel repo | 22:23 |
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| kerio | what's this supl thing? | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | GPS assistance | 23:01 |
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| x29a | Venemo: without the INSTALLS in my libs, it tries to copy them to '' on the device, aaah, i dont get it | 23:05 |
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| Venemo | x29a :( | 23:06 |
| x29a | what would -after INSTALLS=target do exactly? | 23:10 |
| x29a | or could i simply include the libs .pro file in the main.pro so it gets built? | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, if you include it into your build chain then why the heck do you need it to be a local static lib? a simple .o wouldn't behave *any* different | 23:32 |
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| * DocScrutinizer completely fails to see why a lib.a is needed when it "gets built" anyway. | 23:34 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I thought you planned to share the binary between several developers, so you get the questionable benefit of not needing to compile it locally. If you compile locally anyway ("get built") then there's definitely no rationale at all to make this a lib.a - just build a friggin standard .o and keep that binary for linking on your next compiler run. You're aware the whole purpose of make is to avoid compilation of unchanged .o, so you're not | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | going to build the complete project each time you change a single bit in a small sourcecode file, are you? | 23:40 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, there's a syncml client obex channel on n900 by default | 23:46 |
| Corsac | that's interesting, though I can't understand how to use it | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think e.g. BT contacts export/import is using it | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I might be wrong though | 23:50 |
| Corsac | hmhm, the contact export function is only by exporting vcard on a local folder afaict | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | there's also the phone book profile | 23:51 |
| Corsac | but yeah, for import that'd work | 23:51 |
| Corsac | phone book profile? | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | the one for cars with built in phonebooks | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | the car fetches your phone book when you connect | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | never worked for me, even with the patched package | 23:52 |
| Corsac | ok | 23:52 |
| * MohammadAG blames the Windows CE based car system | 23:52 | |
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| Corsac | I'm puzzled why I can use syncml from my t61 laptop and not from my x201s, it says connection refused each time | 23:52 |
| Corsac | with the same config :/ | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, if there's no other diffs, there's still a different BT firmware I guess, unless you are using the same BT dongle on both | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | (export only for vcards) hmm, somehow N9 manages to save contacts to N900 and get it back from there | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/it back/tnem back/ | 23:59 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: (export only for vcards) hmm, somehow N9 manages to save contacts to N900 and get tnem back from there | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | I love and hate how the N9 doesn't actually merge contacts | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | (you can unmerge them back, positive) | 23:59 |
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