IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-10-06

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zerocoolheys guys was wandering if anybody knows if you can convert wpa hex key to txt01:11
Wild_Doogydo you have the hex?01:18
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Wild_Doogytake a look at this:01:19
SpeedEvilIt's simply ascii01:19
DocScrutinizertry sth like >>  echo -e  "\x47\x55\x78\x3f"f"  <<01:20
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DocScrutinizereven echo -e  "\x48\x45\x58\x3f"01:22
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DocScrutinizeryou'll need to insert the "\x" by yourself, as I discarded my sed based cmdline to do that for long "raw" hex strings01:23
zerocoolHex key -- 64886a41acc234442faafa6419d0ef2267eeacddaf9ed5b1cc65f2ccf7a8939701:23
DocScrutinizerso you think we're going to insert the \x for you? no way01:24
Wild_Doogylook at the webpage I sent, it has a decoder01:24
Wild_Doogythe text is not readable I assure you01:24
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DocScrutinizerat least seems to have no non-printable bytes in it01:25
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Wild_DoogyWhat I pasted was base64... :oos:01:26
Wild_Doogythere is text01:26
zerocooltryed that site an i get this back , d�jA¬Â4D/ªúdÐï"gî¬Ý¯�Õ±ÌeòÌ÷¨��01:26
Wild_Doogyexactly, there is your text01:26
amiconnConverting the wpa hex key back to ascii is not possible01:28
amiconnThe hex key is derived from the ssid and the passphrase using PBKDF2() , which is a one-way function01:29
zerocoolwell thats a nightmare01:29
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> echo -e  "\x64\x88\x6a\x41\xac\xc2\x34\x44\x2f\xaa\xfa\x64\x19\xd0\xef\x22\x67\xee\xac\xdd\xaf\x9e\xd5\xb1\xcc\x65\xf2\xcc\xf7\xa8\x93\x97"01:29
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HyperSnyperare there any status bar applet's to disable/enable auto lock on n900 ?02:03
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SpeedEvilYou mean to keep the screen on?02:07
DocScrutinizersimple brightness applet can do this02:07
HyperSnyperit's for when im playing music in car, don't want it to lock screen after "x2 amount of time02:08
HyperSnyperand is annoying going into settings everytime02:08
HyperSnyperahh yeh didn't notice the brightness applet has it02:09
HyperSnyperonce again thxs DocScrutinizer02:09
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DocScrutinizerHyperSnyper: pro tip: click and hold the small button!02:13
HyperSnyperalready got it, thxs02:13
HyperSnyperheh, hadn't noticed that button at all02:13
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SpeedEvilAh - doc got it. I was distracted.02:20
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SpeedEvilThere is also 'screen on while charging' somewhere02:20
HyperSnyperyeh found that aswell but sadly don't have car charger yet02:21
DocScrutinizerit's just annoying that on click and hold of that button, you get a bogus mouseclick even on whatever is underneath02:21
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DocScrutinizerwhen the hld-time expires, the menu closes and your touch event is signalled to whatever is in the location where that button has been02:22
HyperSnyperany suggestions for mroe power saving functions, got > 2G/3G/Dual / Wifi switcher / Brightness / SSH switcher, not sure if ssh changes much02:24
SpeedEvilpower button -> switch off02:25
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SpeedEvilIf there are no screwups, you should see >5 days battery life on standby02:28
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SpeedEvilAt least if you have a good phone signal, or have turned the modem off02:28
HyperSnyperyeh can't complain with how long it lasts at moment, just thought i should ask see if there's anything i've missed02:29
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eichihello. how stable is the ssu stuff in general?02:54
eichibuggy things is okay, complete refresh would be not that nice at the moment ;)02:54
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DocScrutinizerseamless software update works since ~PR1.103:05
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DocScrutinizerif you meant CommunitySSU though, it's pretty ok03:07
DocScrutinizerI even suggested several times we need to fork out a stable branch right now03:08
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jieroDead man.03:10
SpeedEvilI wish I could think that apple would magically become purveyors of more open hardware.03:11
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eichiwtf I need pc suite application from windows to make the ssu updates?03:18
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jieroeichi:  only N900 itself + network needed.03:22
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eichihere comes the popup: "to update your device to this version of the operation system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. connect the device to your pc via usb cable and launch the application. BUTTON: "create backup"03:26
eichiokay, is in FAQ sorry03:27
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DocScrutinizerit's Cssu03:35
DocScrutinizerSSU is Nokia's standard version of CSSU03:35
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HyperSnyperis there anything for the n900 that can "easily" discover all shares within "mshome" on a network ?04:25
nox-hm smbclient -L ?04:25
nox-not sure thats ported tho04:25
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DocScrutinizerit is afaik04:34
DocScrutinizersamba even mostly available in stock04:35
nox-ah good :)04:38
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Sazpaimon_why do people even use qtlockscreen05:35
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Sazpaimon_gee i sure like waiting 5 seconds to even be able to unlock my device05:35
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doc|homenokia and monster....07:24
doc|homeman, why do nokia have to screw EVERYTHING up...07:25
dangergrrlgood question07:36
dangergrrli love my n90007:36
dangergrrlwould not mind having an n9 too if it did not involve huge sums of money vanishing07:36
RST38hsomething new happened to nokia this night?07:47
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kerioRST38h: well, steve jobs died08:25
keriodoes that count?08:25
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MacerRST38h: yeah. jobs came there as a ghost and said he would get them out of the gutter like apple08:51
Macerbut then walked into the light laughing08:51
mece'lo o/08:53
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Macernokia is doomed08:59
Macerthey are the starter jackets of the cell phone industry08:59
Macerin the 1990s people were getting shot in the knees and their starter jackets stolen08:59
Macernow you can get a starter jacket at walmart09:00
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doc|home I'm thinking apple and nokia are going to lose out to samsung and motorola over the next few years in a big way09:13
keriodoc|home: haha09:14
keriothey're just calibrating the RDF for tim cook09:15
keriothe Reality Distortion Field09:15
doc|homeoh, hah09:16
kerioonce it's back at full functionality...09:16
doc|homeyesterday definitely wasn't it09:16
keriomeh, the voice interface is cute09:17
doc|homeso are minis09:18
doc|homeI wouldn't buy one...09:18
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kirmaI suppose the voice interface is not available for older models? you know, there has to be a clear annoying feature to see the difference between true believer and a traitor that doesn't buy new model immediately09:25
kirmaand what would be more annoying than people going around and speaking to their phones when they have no person to talk to09:26
kirmajust to show off09:26
dm8tbr'hello, computer?'09:26
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kwtmn9 is not linux is it?  It's symbian, right?09:57
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mecekwtm, it's linux09:58
mecedebian based09:58
mecein practice, maemo 609:58
kwtmReally?  Wow, and here I thought there was no hope for a new Linux phone.  Is it a phone and computer, like the n900?  I remember that there was something that prevented it from being my next thing to buy when the n900 broke down.  Sorry, I'm being lazy, I should wikipedia it.09:59
mecekwtm, no keyboard10:00
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mecekwtm, it also has aegis, so some limitations on what you can do with the original software. You can flash custom kernels tho. Otherwise, it's full linux stack. Busybox like maemo 5.10:01
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
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kwtmmece: Thanks.  Will look into this.  So far will stick to my plan of getting a backup N900 (less work to set up new system, and I see that Nokia is dumping it as a dead end)10:02
psycho_oreosno removeable battery, no expansion slot, microSIM supported (?)10:02
kwtmOf course, Nokia itself is probably the living embodiment of a dead end. :P10:02
kwtmpsycho_oreos: Are you serious, I have to carve up my SIM to get it to work, and I can't even take out a piece of memory (microSD)?10:03
mecekwtm, who cares, it's not as if maemo5 was going anywhere either.10:03
mecekwtm, yeah microsim10:03
psycho_oreoskwtm, apparently its going to have to be cut up10:03
kwtmmece: True, more or less, except I already put work into getting my N900 to work the way I want, so I might as well get more for it. :P10:03
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kwtmI guess smartphone users of the world enjoy buying new apps for their phone and there's not really that big a market for people who like to have their desktop apps ported to their phone.10:04
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mecekwtm, it has a lot of downsides compared to n900, but there are a couple of pretty big upsides. Or, one in particular. 1Gb ram. Damn that is something you feel10:04
psycho_oreoskwtm, and yes no expandable storage, that's Flop's ultimatum in screwing up N9/meego harmattan as much as he can along with jacked up prices and only to be sold in certan countries10:04
mecealso the ui is rather sweet.10:05
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: kwtm, and yes no expandable storage, that's Flop's ultimatum in screwing up N9/meego harmattan as much as he can along with jacked up prices and only to be sold in certain countries10:05
mecekwtm, unfortunately it's much more of a smartphone than a computer.10:05
kwtmWell, I've seen the N900 UI.  I don't trust Nokia any more with having sweet UI's.10:05
kwtmWho the **** decided that the "battery charging" status icon would be an animated icon that, 25% of the time, would look exactly like a phone running really low on batteries? :P10:06
fralsquote from Hutch (3) "Nokia N9 makes Apple look like Samsung" <- :D10:06
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mecekwtm, well the N9 is a very very different beast on the ui side. Very.10:07
mecekwtm, that problem you mentioned is still there and still annoying tho.10:07
kwtmmece: Perhaps you may be right.  But, ... oh well.10:07
fralsthe charging indicator starts from half batter doesnt it?10:07
fralskwtm: you should look at the N9 UI before dismissing it tbh...
mecefrals, hmm does it? I think it goes from bottom with N950 beta210:08
fralsbut best is to try it in person, videos/images doesnt make it justice10:08
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mecefrals, it could change color. that would be nice.10:08
fralsmece: ok, im running different fw and its starting from half10:08
fralsor maybe its because im actually at half abtter now...10:09
mecekwtm, yeah try it if you like. Besides its faults, It's the only proper linux phone on the market, and it is absolutely awesome as a smartphone.10:09
mecefrals, LOL10:09
kwtmI'd like to get my hands on the guy who decided that, tapping on a friend's face means, not that you phone that friend, but that you have to select from phoning his cell / home / sending SMS to his work / bla bla, and then once you phone, you have to tap a button to say, "Yes, please bring up the Special Advanced Screen so I can have a dialpad, since it's SO RARE to actually use a dialpad when phoning..." (followed by having to close10:09
kwtmthat Dialpad screen before you can even hang up ...)10:09
mecekwtm, I'd hate to have the phone call when I click on someones face. I'd like to give "that guy" a hug.10:10
kwtmmece: Yeah, unfortunately, unless I get to take a vacation in one of a select number of countries, I'll never get to try the phone. :P10:10
mecekwtm, ah, bummer.10:10
* amiconn would *possibly* buy an N950 if those were available for sale.10:10
kwtmThat List of Countries Where N9 Is Not Available?  They just went through a list of "Let's see, which countries did kwtm visit in the past few years ... ?"10:11
amiconnSome advantages and some disadvantages compared to N900. I certainly won't buy an N9 - severe step back imo10:11
meceamiconn, As a hacker device it's definitely a step back. the lack of keyboard is a big issue there.10:12
kwtmAnyone here actually have a N9?  If yes, from where did you get it?10:12
kwtmmece: Yeah, I'm trying to imagine vim on a keyboardless phone. :P10:12
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amiconnYeah, lack of hw keyboard is the show stopper for me10:13
mecekwtm, frals works for Nokia and has one.10:13
mecefrals, you still work for nokia, right?10:13
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kwtmalthough that's probably the best editor to have, already, out of all the ones.  I sometimes use the onscreen keyboard on the N900 with vim and have to type   ggyyGP  or something like that. :P10:14
meceI use nano and khteditor10:15
kwtmmece: When you say N9 is only proper linux phone, you mean besides N900?  Or is the N900 disqualified in your mind?10:15
mecekwtm, besides N900 of course. N900 is the linuxest phone :)10:15
JartzaI found out that I still have the warranty on my N90010:15
kwtmmece: Vim is not for everyone.  I'm glad I learned it, but it's a huge learning curve.  nano's useful, but a lot of Ctrl-<key> i think, and no scripting, right?10:16
mecekwtm, N900 is still the best hacker device by far, and I love it!10:16
Jartzathe usb plug came out, known problem of course10:16
Jartzaand the Nokia Service offered me E7 for a replacement :P10:16
kwtmJartza: Are they still supporting that?  Oh, E7. :P10:16
meceJartza, that's terrible. but you might sell the E7 and buy N900 from somewhere else10:16
JartzaI didn't agree10:17
meceJartza, what did they say?10:17
kwtm"USB plug came out?  Sorry we don't have a replacement model --how about a year's supply of pink pony stickers for your Nokia Dumfone?"10:17
JartzaI told them I want my money back but they told me it's not possible :)10:17
Jartzabut the fight is not over yet10:17
meceJartza, they did not want to try fix it?10:17
Jartzathey didn't even open it10:18
kwtmMoonTiger is selling me his extra N900.10:18
mecedid you break  off a bit of the circuit board or did the port come out alone?10:18
Jartzathey just looked that "oh yeah, the plug is missing" and started to offer me E710:18
Jartzamece: just the port10:18
kwtmJartza: Yeah, I'm treating my N900 as an orphaned device now.  Planning out how to use it if the keyboard fails, the USB fails (wifi + external batt charger) etc.10:18
meceJartza, you're a finn?10:19
JartzaI've been using the phone still, for 3 months, after the plug came out :)10:19
Jartzabecause I have an external charger10:19
meceJartza, cool :)10:19
Jartzamece: yes10:19
Jartza....and of course, 2 batteries10:19
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kwtmJartza: Good move.  Yeah, that lack of removable battery thing on the iPhone etc. doesn't work for me.  Doesn't make sense.10:19
meceJartza, radiotrimmeri in Turku fixed my n900's usb port in 3 hours. Perhaps you could try to take it to them, or some other Nokia service place that is not actually Nokia.10:20
meceJartza, or at least give them a call.10:20
Jartzamece: hmm. thanks for the tip.10:20
JartzaI'm actually going to turku next week10:20
Jartzaalthough it's only 100km from here to Turku, worth driving anyway if the device can be fixed10:21
meceok well Radiotrimmer is here:
meceJartza, give them a call and explain the situation. They fixed mine on warranty, so I guess they could fix your too.10:22
mecethat was 18 months ago tho.10:23
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kwtmhow many n900's are out there? (in users' hands, not in a Nokia warehouse)10:24
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mecekwtm, there has never been any numbers released afaik10:25
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Jartzamece: I have to try that, thanks :)10:28
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Maceris the voice thing "new" like the compass? :-)10:35
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dmj726Anyone happen to have their n900 taken apart at the moment?10:36
Maceri do but it is being mailed back to me10:36
Macerneed to buy a new one10:36
meceMacer, what was the problem? USB?10:36
dmj726did you ever look at the lcd screen without the backlight?10:36
Macerfking usb port10:37
Macerno. sorry10:37
Macernever took the screen apart10:37
Maceri was focused on the usb pirt10:37
dmj726Macer, did it break off completely?10:37
fralsmece: yeah, still with nokia atm10:37
Maceri think i am just going to see if i can find a compatible charging pad if i get a new one10:37
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mecefrals :)10:37
Macerdmj726: yes10:38
Macerpads were good. friend of mine couldnt seem to get one on there tho10:38
dmj726charging pad?10:38
Macerit has gotten to the point where buying a new or slightly used one will be a better option10:38
Maceryeah. those pads you toss things on to charge things10:38
DocScrutinizerdmj726: sprry, LCD without backlight? what do you mean?10:39
Macerhopefully i can find one that works with an n90010:39
dmj726I'm wanting to shoot an image through an LCD10:39
Macermaybe a flush receiver would be nice10:39
dmj726The LCD I tried with makes everything behind it blurry10:39
Macerand i will just xfer everything over wifi10:39
DocScrutinizeryou might be severely out of luck10:39
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dmj726wondering if that's just LCDs in general or maybe it's because the LCD was matte10:40
dmj726Macer: There are universal battery chargers out there10:40
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dmj726they have two little contacts that you align with your battery contacts10:41
dmj726that way you can charge the battery without an n90010:41
dmj726DocScrutinizer: you've taken the n900 apart I believe10:43
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DocScrutinizer not the screen half10:44
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DocScrutinizerand *for sure* not the LCM10:44
DocScrutinizerI partially disassembled LCMs of PM FR10:45
DocScrutinizerOM FreeRunner10:45
dmj726did you ever look through the panel without the backlight?10:46
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DocScrutinizerit wasn't removable on that one10:48
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DocScrutinizerthe light spreader and possibly diffusor are very unique on each display I guess10:49
DocScrutinizerin this LCD it's been a glued sandwitch iirc10:50
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DocScrutinizerN900 is transflexive which doesn'T help I guess10:52
dmj726would that mean it's likely also glued together?10:53
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DocScrutinizeror worse11:03
DocScrutinizerlook at it in bright sunlight, the colors vanish (mostly)11:03
DocScrutinizernow figure how that works11:03
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DocScrutinizerthere are LCD sets ready made for use on a overhead projector, maybe you want to check out those11:04
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woldrichIt's possible to charge a n900 with the help of another n900 and usbcable surely?12:23
chem|stdoubt it12:24
woldrichwhy not?12:24
chem|styou cannot charge a battery with another battery without tricks, at least not in a useful way12:25
woldrichI thought it would just see it as another computer12:26
SpeedEvilYou can charge it, yes, if you limit the charge rate on the other n900 to 100mA12:26
woldrichI'm talking about two n900's, usb cable, in the woods12:27
SpeedEvilIt will do this on the other n900 side, if you just enable 'boost' - and don't do anything to enable USB host12:27
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DocScrutinizerplus charging @100mA rate is rather questionable an exercise - possibly it will rather discharge than charge12:30
SpeedEvilOnly if the other n900 is used12:30
SpeedEvilBetter way is to pop the battery12:30
DocScrutinizerwoldrich: bottom line: it's possible (to some extent) but useless12:31
jieroIs there a way to improve N900's talk time, I got only 4 hours talk time from Full to switch off via Skype.12:32
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DocScrutinizerthis sounds about max you could possibly get12:33
DocScrutinizermaybe 5..6h were possible when carefully tuning all parameters to minimize power consumption - this is a tedious job though, and not particularly simple12:34
DocScrutinizer#1: make sure your data connection doesn't use more power than needed (10/100mW and PSM for WLAN, 2G vs 3G for GPRS dta connection, best was to use USB networking probably)12:36
DocScrutinizer#2: make sure your screen is dim or off during call12:37
DocScrutinizer#3: don't use video!!12:37
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DocScrutinizer#4: tweak system to adapt CPU clock etc - only for real experts (who won't touch that anyway as they know about it being useless effort/result ratio)12:38
SpeedEvilAnd ensure you're in a good signal spot.12:38
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DocScrutinizeryup, also on a WLAN channel (in case of WLAN connection) that doesn't have massive interference with neighbour APs causing up to 300% retransmits12:40
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DocScrutinizermeh, data packages getting sent again up to 3 times (possibly more), due to collisions12:41
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DocScrutinizerso s/good signal spot/good signal QUALITY (not strength) spot/12:42
fluxhm, wouldn't strength be indicative of the rx power used by the device?12:43
fluxwell, maybe not, infact12:43
fluxbut being close to the station should help that, I assume wifi has adaptive rx power like bluetooth12:44
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fluxand it's tx of course, not rx :)12:44
merlin1991hm there was this application that showed wich networks are on wich channel, some other info and also had a graph over time, I gorgot the name though12:44
DocScrutinizeradaptive rx power? s/rx/tx/ I guess, and no, WLAN doesn't have that12:44
fluxhm, on my workstation iwconfig says 'Tx-Power=15 dBm'12:45
fluxalso my n900 says tx-power 20 dBm12:45
fluxshould try to move around to see if it changes12:45
DocScrutinizerso what?12:45
DocScrutinizerit won't chage12:45
fluxwell, can one adjust it?12:46
DocScrutinizerthere's no way it could know when and how to change12:46
fluxat least there is that one low-power mode for it12:46
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DocScrutinizeryes, see N900 WLAN settings advanced 10/100mW TX power12:46
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DocScrutinizeron GSM the base station requests a power-factor to make the mobile equipment TX change from some few mW up to possibly 2W. Anyway that's the base station that decides how good is signal strength of signal sent by mobile, and requests and controls that accordingly. There's no such concept in 802.1112:49
DocScrutinizerthe assumption you need a strong TX when you got a poor RX signal is simply wrong12:50
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DocScrutinizer(given both refer to mobile equipment's notion of TX power and RX signal)12:51
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SpeedEvilIt's not quite wrong.12:52
SpeedEvilIt's usually related12:53
DocScrutinizerit's not always correct12:53
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DocScrutinizerso it's useless in real life usage12:53
DocScrutinizereven more with MIMO AP12:54
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: wifi-eye ?13:00
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: rather informative but useless for powersaving if you can't control the AP ;-D13:01
merlin1991yep wifi-eye was the one13:01
DocScrutinizeranyway iwconfig -> " Power Management:on          Link Quality=78/100  Signal level:-44 dBm  Noise level=-92 dBm " is the most interesting info you can get13:03
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DocScrutinizerof course wifi-eye will show relative signal strength of the AP you're interested in vs "noise" by other APs13:04
DocScrutinizerfor that those wifi-eye curve diagrams showing sidebands of spread spectrum created by modulation are really useful13:06
DocScrutinizerall thumbs up for wifi-eye13:07
* Sicelo downloads wifi-eye 13:09
* SergSergiu destroy their n90013:09
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merlin1991wifi-eye, DocScrutinizer approves13:12
Siceloit is really nice. thanks merlin199113:13
merlin1991damn It, apt-get upgrade nuked my harmattan scratchbox13:14
merlin1991and this fsckd battery will die before I've dled the new rootstrap13:17
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Corsachmhm, does anyone know about this store?
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DocScrutinizer\o/ fixed my logitech mx-revolution :-))13:56
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eichihello, if I try to install cssu I get this message: "to update your device to this version of the operation system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. connect the device to your pc via usb cable and launch the application." BUTTON: "create backup" in the FAQ I read that maybe I have to less disk space or I should look at the errors tab in application manager. but there is nothing like that15:03
eichiI have latest ssu and want to install cssu package15:03
merlin1991eichi: when you tap the cssu package in the update view check the details/problems tab15:05
eichimerlin1991: oh, damn, there I did not look15:06
merlin1991eichi: did you get the update running?15:10
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eichiat the moment I did a backup and learning math ;) means I can tell you in some minutes15:11
eichiI *do a backup15:11
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eichimerlin1991: it just conflicts with libqt4-test15:17
mc_teomy n900 died two days ago15:20
Sicelowhat happened?15:21
eichihardware? overclocked?15:21
mc_teohardware failure in general i guess15:23
mc_teoit would read sim cards for like 6 months now15:23
mc_teoit wouldn't*15:24
mc_teoand it stopped charging now too15:24
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merlin1991eichi: just apt-get remove libqt4-test15:35
edheldilmc_teo:  overclocked or no?15:35
merlin1991you'll get it back with the update afaik15:35
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eichimerlin1991: I know, thanks :)15:35
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eichimerlin1991: biggest hope is, that rebote works after cssu installation ;)15:36
merlin1991reboot doesn't work? oO15:36
merlin1991well for me it doesn't work because I have uboot :D15:36
eichiits updating at the moment, I said its just my hope, that it works15:37
merlin1991I was assuimng reboot didn't work earlier :D15:37
infobotmerlin1991 meant: I was assuming reboot didn't work earlier :D15:37
eichi*its rebooting at the moment* ***hope like a pope*15:38
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eichistep 1) pin code correct15:38
eichi2) baground and panel loaded15:38
merlin19913) ?????15:38
merlin19914) profit!15:38
eichi2.9) still waiting on widgets15:39
eichi2.99) message: OS update sucessful15:39
eichi3) widgets loaded ;)15:39
eichi4) looking for profits15:40
eichilool, desktop rotation does not make sence if widgets are then on the same place15:41
merlin1991eichi: rearrange them15:41
merlin1991the desktop stores 2 widget positions15:41
eichiby the way: why do people like to use n900 vertical? One of the best things in the UI is, that its like widescreen style. I love this15:42
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CodenameStrike-Njust wondering if it's possible to have separate wallpapers for portrait mode?15:42
CodenameStrike-NI mean15:42
merlin1991well I use it vertical when I'm like in public transport and just use mediaplyer / twitter / some other thing to pass the time15:42
CodenameStrike-Nwell I use vertical when I'm too lazy to use both hands.15:43
CodenameStrike-Nand when browsing in opera.15:43
merlin1991CodenameStrike-N: I think arcean over in #maemo-ssu had some expermiental code ready to try15:43
CodenameStrike-Nshould consider15:43
CodenameStrike-Nmy vkb is overridden by my JP input though15:44
CodenameStrike-Nby SCIM that is15:44
CodenameStrike-Nso I only type vertically when in Opera15:44
mc_teoedheldil: no, not overclocked15:44
mc_teoused it as a portable python interpreter15:45
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eichivery nice: scrolling desktops works much faster now!!15:45
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CodenameStrike-Nxchat internal error.15:46
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CodenameStrike-Nwas trying to say that to mc_teo.15:47
CodenameStrike-Nabout him using his as a portable python interpreter.15:47
CodenameStrike-Npretty much everyone here uses treats their N900 as their mini-PCs don't they15:48
merlin1991nope I use it as phone then irc client then twitter client15:49
CodenameStrike-Nthis device was like a dream come true I had years ago when I was like... 1115:49
merlin1991and I browse from time to time :D15:49
CodenameStrike-Nwell pretty much like what I do15:49
merlin1991and sometimes I go berserk and fire up hen plug in an external hd and feed movies to my tv15:49
CodenameStrike-Nplus a lil bit of drawing sometimes15:49
mc_teomine doesnt read sim cards though15:49
mc_teoso i could use it as a phone if i wanted to15:49
CodenameStrike-NI just reflashed yesterday then found out I wasn't reflashing the newest PR15:50
eichime: phone, organizer, do online stuff, listen music with uwk transmitter in bath ;D15:50
CodenameStrike-Nwhich led to my sim card not detected15:50
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Zer0coolhello peeps , im trying to update xterminal but it keeps trying to install NMAP beta can i block it some how15:59
andre__update from what to what?16:00
Zer0coolsome files for metasploit need updating , but it always updates nmap which stops yamas from working16:05
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eichicssu tuner or cssu features configuration?16:09
eichiwhich is more updated?16:09
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chem|steichi: no idea... look for features you need not for how recent they are16:54
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timelesshello world17:44
timelessanyone here remember the process they went through to get permanent residence in finland? :)17:44
viszcan't remember how i did it17:44
timelessfor my purposes, citizenship is not compatible w/ permanent residence :)17:45
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SpeedEvilTraditionally, you invade, and take over the government, and declare yourself king.17:49
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timelessSpeedEvil: or Czar :)17:55
timelessbut that doesn't make one a permanent resident either :)17:56
momcilotimeless, why don't you check
timelessmomcilo: does that have a way to look for the date of issue for a permanent residence stamp?17:58
dm8tbrtimeless: for me it was a trip to the maistraati, show them my EU passport, done. antother thing was the eu residence permit, that was the police office, fill out a form, pay 45EUR, done17:59
momcilotimeless, I don't know you have to read it yourself, but that is the most logical place find such information, the other is embassy18:00
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timelessdm8tbr: if you wanted to find out the date your stamp was issued, how would you?18:00
dm8tbruh, stamp?18:01
momcilotimeless, you already got the resident permit?18:01
timelessmomcilo: too long ago to remember when18:02
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* dm8tbr never got a stamp18:02
timelessthe problem is that my current country of residence is anal18:02
* dm8tbr only has the original application form $somewhere(tm)18:02
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timelessand wants to know my dates and statuses18:03
momciloI see18:03
timelessdm8tbr: presumably that means you were an EU citizen18:03
dm8tbrtimeless: you could ask the office where you registered. dunno what sort of proof they'll want for identity.18:03
dm8tbrtimeless: yes, both my citizenships are for EU countries18:04
timelesswell, i have a stamp, presumably the stamp's id could be looked up18:04
dm8tbrah, I see18:04
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timelessit's kinda silly, the 1 and 3 year visa's have dates of issue/expiry on them18:04
timelessthe permanent residence one doesn't seem to have any dates18:04
timelessit's permanent, so that kinda makes sense18:04
timelessunless of course, one needs to be able to answer this stupid question!18:04
timelessdm8tbr: so, in short, you wouldn't have any good way of answering the question either18:06
timelessthat makes me feel better, although it isn't particularly helpful (not your fault, i didn't expect a good answer from anyone)18:06
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dm8tbryou could either ask the issuing authority or your local finnish consulate for help18:09
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timelessooh, this should be fun18:14
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timeless doesn't look promising18:15
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timelessthey charge 20eur for certain services that might be similar but probably don't cover my need18:16
timelessooh, fun18:17
timelesstry clicking on "Local register   offices " on that page18:17
timelesscontrast that with:
* timeless thinks that's the same page more or less in Finnish18:19
timelessoh, in case you were wondering, the &culture= bit doesn't seem to actually do something useful18:19
timelessit's the contentlan=0 that's exciting :)18:20
timelessoh, and the lans are 1(fi), 2(en), 3(sv)18:20
timelessthe link for swedish speakers also doesn't work18:21
timelessanyone here a Swedish Speaking Finn?18:21
timelesscould you please complain to the people who own that page, asserting your Right to Equal Service18:21
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timelessactually, i should give them some credit, there's a box on the right "This document" which lets you switch languages18:22
timelesssadly, there was no way i was going to recognize *that* as the way to switch languages...18:23
timeless(it's a good place to hide a useful feature)18:23
* RST38h wonders what is wrong with English18:23
RST38hDoesn't timeless speak and read English?18:23
timelessRST38h: the link is 40418:23
timelesstry clicking it!18:24
timeless(you can try Swedish if you prefer..)18:24
timeless> Content administrator Passport and Visa Unit  Updated 9/8/201118:24
timeless> © Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland 2006 | About this site | Web Communications Unit18:24
timeless> Päivitetty 8.9.201118:24
timeless> © Ulkoasiainministeriö 2006 | Tietoa verkkopalvelusta | Verkkoviestintäryhmä18:24
timelesswell, at least they're consistent :)18:24
RST38hhm, I clicked on "In English" and got a page18:25
RST38hIt is not the same page, but SOME page in English18:25
timelessRST38h: yes18:25
timeless[11:17] <timeless> try clicking on "Local register   offices " on that page18:25
RST38hOk, I have found this page in English18:25
timelessit's to the left of the yellow box on
RST38hTook me a moment18:25
timeless[11:25] <timeless> [11:17] <timeless> try clicking on "Local register   offices " on that page18:25
RST38hYou do know that the Finnish version of the sam epage also returns 404?18:26
timelessit didn't!18:26
RST38hdoes for me =)18:26
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timelesshas: <li xmlns=""><a href="" target="_blank">Maistraatit</a> </li>18:27
timelesswhich works18:27
timeless(do i want to know why they're using xhtml?)18:27
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timeless(or maybe, that's view-selection-source being silly)18:27
timeless<ul><li><a target="_blank" href="">Maistraatit</a>&nbsp;</li></ul>18:28
timelessdo you really get a 404 for the similar link from the FI page?18:28
timeless<ul><li><a target="_blank" href="">Local register offices</a>&nbsp;</li>18:29
timelessis the English link18:29
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timeless<ul><li><a target="_blank" href="">Magistraterna</a>&nbsp;</li18:29
timelessis the swedish link18:29
* timeless sighs18:30
timelesspeople really don't understand how to make links18:30
timeless is amusing18:30
* timeless doesn't know what it says18:30
timelessoddly, some error pages are in en and some are in fi18:31
* timeless doesn't understand the logic18:31
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slonopotamusgoing online on n900 with 100+ IM contacts is totally weird performance-wise19:28
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woldrichuh, you have friends?19:37
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TiagoTiagoI'm planning on reflashing my N900, is that technique of copying the rootfs and chrooting into the copy recommended? (whether i'm doing it or not will influence the path i take)21:16
* Sicelo wonders what TiagoTiago really wants to do21:19
TiagoTiagoTo make it easy to fix things if i mess up some system files21:19
Sicelosounds like backupmenu is what you need21:19
TiagoTiagoDoesn't it got some issues with powerkernel and the CSSU?21:19
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SiceloBM? none that i'm aware of. BM kicks in before Maemo does, aiui21:20
TiagoTiagoAlso, i'm gonna use a modified partition table, giving home more space, not sure if that affectes backupmenu in any way21:20
NIN101TiagoTiago: maybe this might be interesting for you, dunno:
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TiagoTiagoIs that one safe in terms of compatibility with stuff like power kernel etc? How about backupmenu?21:25
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TiagoTiagoIs there some guide covering all the currently avaiable options such as those?21:26
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NIN101rescueOS will work even if maemo is completely dead(that's the whole point), and doesn't touch it (depends on you). But you must know how to use the linux console because it doesn't have some magic "fix everything" tool on board :-).21:29
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TiagoTiagoThat seems like a great last option before reflashing21:31
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TiagoTiagohm, seems it requires a linux machine to use, doesn't work with just the N90021:39
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bebnaso i got my n900 today, but no sim seems to work, is this a normal problem?21:44
NIN101you read about it here and there, but I don't know what it happens.21:44
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TiagoTiagowasn't there a bug with older versions of the firmware (or perhaps it was with the leaked version of one of the releases) that caused issues like that?21:46
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bebnai update now to 20.2010.36-221:46
bebnais this a recent version? 2010 sounds old21:47
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NIN101The newest official firmware is from October 2010, 20.2010.36-2.21:49
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bebnaand latest inofficial stable version?21:52
NIN101doesn't matter for you now, install the 20.2010.36-2, then you can think about installing CSSU. Because CSSU is distributed over .deb packages and not as a firmware image.21:54
bebnayeah i have 3g now!21:56
bebnais there a dedicated website who i can read about things like cssu and other things to setup my lovely n900 after my desire?21:59 ; talk.maemo.org21:59
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bebnaok thanks22:00
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TiagoTiagoediting the eMMC image to have different partition sizes does work with pr1.3, right?23:06
Siceloyes TiagoTiago23:07
Sicelo!jrtools @ TiagoTiago23:07
Sicelo~jrtools @ TiagoTiago23:07
Sicelo~jrtools @ sicelo23:07
TiagoTiagonot getting anything here23:08
infobotjrtools is, like,
Siceloi'm dumb, you will please forgive me :P23:08
merlin1991~tell sicelo about jrtools23:08
merlin1991I think that was the command you were searching for :D23:09
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TiagoTiagodo you got a link handy to instructions on modifying the partition table of the image using an hex editor? (i just wanna be sure i'm changing the numbers in the right place, and i'm doing it with an hex editor instead of using an automated way like how it is in that jrtools page)23:21
TiagoTiagothough i guess i should just change the first 2048 i find23:22
merlin1991iirc it's a human readable table at the begining of the file23:22
TiagoTiagoi just change one number and both home and MyDocs get changed to fit?23:23
Sicelohex editor won't make any difference at all. you will still be writing the same stuff to the same files, with the same results :)23:24
TiagoTiagousing hex editor there is less chance of inserting bad characters than using many text editors23:25
Siceloyes, which sed is not23:26
TiagoTiagothere is a space between the = and the number, would it be safe to replace the space with an additional digit?23:27
TiagoTiagodon't got sed on Windows23:27
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DocScrutinizerprobably no, it's not safe to replace the space delimiter between = and the numeric parameter. I'd guess it's safe though to "move" the whole term to teh left a bit, as that'S obviously a line starting with several tabs or spaces23:30
DocScrutinizeranyway do NOT insert or delete chars, I.E filesize must not change23:31
DocScrutinizerlemme check23:31
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OkropNickis there any software for N900 that turn off cell phone at night and turn it on at day?23:38
OkropNickonly phone function, not device23:38
TiagoTiagotwo tabs at the beggining of the line, would it be safe to delete one of the tabs to be able to have an additional digit without changing the file size or are the tabs essential?23:38
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DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: hit F5 on my tools page23:45
TiagoTiagothe jrtools?23:45
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TiagoTiagohow will i know if the change messes things up? Will it produce an error or things will be screwy once i boot after doing the reflash?23:49
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SiceloOkropNick: of course. i would use Alarmed + phone-control --celloff/on23:54
OkropNickSicelo: thanks for hint!23:55
ShadowJKthere's a widget called tablet mode or something for manual control23:56
OkropNickSicelo: and what is phone-control?23:56
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Siceloa nice package based on wiki page of the same name :)23:57
TiagoTiagoAre there any reasons i should not try doing that technique involving copying rootfs to the big memory chip and chrooting to not have to deal with low memory on rootfs?23:57
ShadowJKTiagoTiago; just backup everything first, and make sure your pc can flash the phone in case you screw up?23:58
OkropNickSicelo: ok, I'll check it, thanks again23:58
TiagoTiagoI mean, are there any known incompatibilities with things like power kernel, backup menu etc?23:58
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