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| zerocool | heys guys was wandering if anybody knows if you can convert wpa hex key to txt | 01:11 |
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| Wild_Doogy | do you have the hex? | 01:18 |
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| Wild_Doogy | take a look at this: | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It's simply ascii | 01:19 |
| Wild_Doogy | http://home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/ | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | try sth like >> echo -e "\x47\x55\x78\x3f"f" << | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even echo -e "\x48\x45\x58\x3f" | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'll need to insert the "\x" by yourself, as I discarded my sed based cmdline to do that for long "raw" hex strings | 01:23 |
| zerocool | Hex key -- 64886a41acc234442faafa6419d0ef2267eeacddaf9ed5b1cc65f2ccf7a89397 | 01:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | ZIhqQazCNEQvqvpkGdDvImfurN2vntWxzGXyzPeok5c= | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you think we're going to insert the \x for you? no way | 01:24 |
| Wild_Doogy | look at the webpage I sent, it has a decoder | 01:24 |
| Wild_Doogy | http://home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/ | 01:24 |
| Wild_Doogy | the text is not readable I assure you | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least seems to have no non-printable bytes in it | 01:25 |
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| Wild_Doogy | What I pasted was base64... :oos: | 01:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | *Oops | 01:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | d�jA¬Â4D/ªúdÐï"gî¬Ý¯�Õ±ÌeòÌ÷¨�� | 01:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | there is text | 01:26 |
| zerocool | tryed that site an i get this back , d�jA¬Â4D/ªúdÐï"gî¬Ý¯�Õ±ÌeòÌ÷¨�� | 01:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | exactly, there is your text | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:27 |
| amiconn | Converting the wpa hex key back to ascii is not possible | 01:28 |
| amiconn | The hex key is derived from the ssid and the passphrase using PBKDF2() , which is a one-way function | 01:29 |
| zerocool | well thats a nightmare | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo -e "\x64\x88\x6a\x41\xac\xc2\x34\x44\x2f\xaa\xfa\x64\x19\xd0\xef\x22\x67\xee\xac\xdd\xaf\x9e\xd5\xb1\xcc\x65\xf2\xcc\xf7\xa8\x93\x97" | 01:29 |
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| HyperSnyper | are there any status bar applet's to disable/enable auto lock on n900 ? | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | You mean to keep the screen on? | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple brightness applet can do this | 02:07 |
| HyperSnyper | it's for when im playing music in car, don't want it to lock screen after "x2 amount of time | 02:08 |
| HyperSnyper | *"x" | 02:08 |
| HyperSnyper | and is annoying going into settings everytime | 02:08 |
| HyperSnyper | ahh yeh didn't notice the brightness applet has it | 02:09 |
| HyperSnyper | once again thxs DocScrutinizer | 02:09 |
| HyperSnyper | ;P | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: pro tip: click and hold the small button! | 02:13 |
| HyperSnyper | already got it, thxs | 02:13 |
| HyperSnyper | heh, hadn't noticed that button at all | 02:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah - doc got it. I was distracted. | 02:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is also 'screen on while charging' somewhere | 02:20 |
| HyperSnyper | yeh found that aswell but sadly don't have car charger yet | 02:21 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just annoying that on click and hold of that button, you get a bogus mouseclick even on whatever is underneath | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when the hld-time expires, the menu closes and your touch event is signalled to whatever is in the location where that button has been | 02:22 |
| HyperSnyper | any suggestions for mroe power saving functions, got > 2G/3G/Dual / Wifi switcher / Brightness / SSH switcher, not sure if ssh changes much | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | power button -> switch off | 02:25 |
| HyperSnyper | :D | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | If there are no screwups, you should see >5 days battery life on standby | 02:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | At least if you have a good phone signal, or have turned the modem off | 02:28 |
| HyperSnyper | yeh can't complain with how long it lasts at moment, just thought i should ask see if there's anything i've missed | 02:29 |
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| eichi | hello. how stable is the ssu stuff in general? | 02:54 |
| eichi | buggy things is okay, complete refresh would be not that nice at the moment ;) | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_jobs | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seamless software update works since ~PR1.1 | 03:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you meant CommunitySSU though, it's pretty ok | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even suggested several times we need to fork out a stable branch right now | 03:08 |
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| eichi | okay | 03:10 |
| jiero | Dead man. | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish I could think that apple would magically become purveyors of more open hardware. | 03:11 |
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| eichi | wtf I need pc suite application from windows to make the ssu updates? | 03:18 |
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| jiero | eichi: only N900 itself + network needed. | 03:22 |
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| eichi | here comes the popup: "to update your device to this version of the operation system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. connect the device to your pc via usb cable and launch the application. BUTTON: "create backup" | 03:26 |
| eichi | okay, is in FAQ sorry | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's Cssu | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | SSU is Nokia's standard version of CSSU | 03:35 |
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| HyperSnyper | is there anything for the n900 that can "easily" discover all shares within "mshome" on a network ? | 04:25 |
| nox- | hm smbclient -L ? | 04:25 |
| nox- | not sure thats ported tho | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it is afaik | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | samba even mostly available in stock | 04:35 |
| nox- | ah good :) | 04:38 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | why do people even use qtlockscreen | 05:35 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | gee i sure like waiting 5 seconds to even be able to unlock my device | 05:35 |
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| doc|home | nokia and monster.... | 07:24 |
| doc|home | man, why do nokia have to screw EVERYTHING up... | 07:25 |
| dangergrrl | good question | 07:36 |
| dangergrrl | i love my n900 | 07:36 |
| dangergrrl | would not mind having an n9 too if it did not involve huge sums of money vanishing | 07:36 |
| RST38h | Moo. | 07:39 |
| RST38h | something new happened to nokia this night? | 07:47 |
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| kerio | RST38h: well, steve jobs died | 08:25 |
| kerio | does that count? | 08:25 |
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| Macer | RST38h: yeah. jobs came there as a ghost and said he would get them out of the gutter like apple | 08:51 |
| Macer | but then walked into the light laughing | 08:51 |
| mece | 'lo o/ | 08:53 |
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| Macer | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-05/apple-beats-htc-as-nokia-customer-loyalty-has-first-decline.html | 08:59 |
| Macer | nokia is doomed | 08:59 |
| Macer | they are the starter jackets of the cell phone industry | 08:59 |
| Macer | in the 1990s people were getting shot in the knees and their starter jackets stolen | 08:59 |
| Macer | now you can get a starter jacket at walmart | 09:00 |
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| doc|home | I'm thinking apple and nokia are going to lose out to samsung and motorola over the next few years in a big way | 09:13 |
| kerio | doc|home: haha | 09:14 |
| kerio | they're just calibrating the RDF for tim cook | 09:15 |
| doc|home | eh? | 09:15 |
| kerio | the Reality Distortion Field | 09:15 |
| doc|home | oh, hah | 09:16 |
| kerio | once it's back at full functionality... | 09:16 |
| doc|home | yesterday definitely wasn't it | 09:16 |
| kerio | meh, the voice interface is cute | 09:17 |
| doc|home | so are minis | 09:18 |
| doc|home | I wouldn't buy one... | 09:18 |
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| kirma | I suppose the voice interface is not available for older models? you know, there has to be a clear annoying feature to see the difference between true believer and a traitor that doesn't buy new model immediately | 09:25 |
| kirma | and what would be more annoying than people going around and speaking to their phones when they have no person to talk to | 09:26 |
| kirma | just to show off | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | 'hello, computer?' | 09:26 |
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| kwtm | n9 is not linux is it? It's symbian, right? | 09:57 |
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| mece | kwtm, it's linux | 09:58 |
| mece | debian based | 09:58 |
| mece | in practice, maemo 6 | 09:58 |
| kwtm | Really? Wow, and here I thought there was no hope for a new Linux phone. Is it a phone and computer, like the n900? I remember that there was something that prevented it from being my next thing to buy when the n900 broke down. Sorry, I'm being lazy, I should wikipedia it. | 09:59 |
| mece | kwtm, no keyboard | 10:00 |
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| mece | kwtm, it also has aegis, so some limitations on what you can do with the original software. You can flash custom kernels tho. Otherwise, it's full linux stack. Busybox like maemo 5. | 10:01 |
| mece | ~aegis | 10:01 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 10:01 |
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| kwtm | mece: Thanks. Will look into this. So far will stick to my plan of getting a backup N900 (less work to set up new system, and I see that Nokia is dumping it as a dead end) | 10:02 |
| psycho_oreos | no removeable battery, no expansion slot, microSIM supported (?) | 10:02 |
| kwtm | Of course, Nokia itself is probably the living embodiment of a dead end. :P | 10:02 |
| kwtm | psycho_oreos: Are you serious, I have to carve up my SIM to get it to work, and I can't even take out a piece of memory (microSD)? | 10:03 |
| mece | kwtm, who cares, it's not as if maemo5 was going anywhere either. | 10:03 |
| mece | kwtm, yeah microsim | 10:03 |
| psycho_oreos | kwtm, apparently its going to have to be cut up | 10:03 |
| kwtm | mece: True, more or less, except I already put work into getting my N900 to work the way I want, so I might as well get more for it. :P | 10:03 |
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| kwtm | I guess smartphone users of the world enjoy buying new apps for their phone and there's not really that big a market for people who like to have their desktop apps ported to their phone. | 10:04 |
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| mece | kwtm, it has a lot of downsides compared to n900, but there are a couple of pretty big upsides. Or, one in particular. 1Gb ram. Damn that is something you feel | 10:04 |
| psycho_oreos | kwtm, and yes no expandable storage, that's Flop's ultimatum in screwing up N9/meego harmattan as much as he can along with jacked up prices and only to be sold in certan countries | 10:04 |
| mece | also the ui is rather sweet. | 10:05 |
| psycho_oreos | s/certan/certain/ | 10:05 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: kwtm, and yes no expandable storage, that's Flop's ultimatum in screwing up N9/meego harmattan as much as he can along with jacked up prices and only to be sold in certain countries | 10:05 |
| mece | kwtm, unfortunately it's much more of a smartphone than a computer. | 10:05 |
| kwtm | Well, I've seen the N900 UI. I don't trust Nokia any more with having sweet UI's. | 10:05 |
| kwtm | Who the **** decided that the "battery charging" status icon would be an animated icon that, 25% of the time, would look exactly like a phone running really low on batteries? :P | 10:06 |
| frals | quote from Hutch (3) "Nokia N9 makes Apple look like Samsung" <- :D | 10:06 |
| mece | LOL | 10:06 |
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| mece | kwtm, well the N9 is a very very different beast on the ui side. Very. | 10:07 |
| mece | kwtm, that problem you mentioned is still there and still annoying tho. | 10:07 |
| kwtm | mece: Perhaps you may be right. But, ... oh well. | 10:07 |
| frals | the charging indicator starts from half batter doesnt it? | 10:07 |
| frals | kwtm: you should look at the N9 UI before dismissing it tbh... http://swipe.nokia.com | 10:08 |
| mece | frals, hmm does it? I think it goes from bottom with N950 beta2 | 10:08 |
| frals | but best is to try it in person, videos/images doesnt make it justice | 10:08 |
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| mece | frals, it could change color. that would be nice. | 10:08 |
| frals | mece: ok, im running different fw and its starting from half | 10:08 |
| frals | or maybe its because im actually at half abtter now... | 10:09 |
| mece | kwtm, yeah try it if you like. Besides its faults, It's the only proper linux phone on the market, and it is absolutely awesome as a smartphone. | 10:09 |
| mece | frals, LOL | 10:09 |
| kwtm | I'd like to get my hands on the guy who decided that, tapping on a friend's face means, not that you phone that friend, but that you have to select from phoning his cell / home / sending SMS to his work / bla bla, and then once you phone, you have to tap a button to say, "Yes, please bring up the Special Advanced Screen so I can have a dialpad, since it's SO RARE to actually use a dialpad when phoning..." (followed by having to close | 10:09 |
| kwtm | that Dialpad screen before you can even hang up ...) | 10:09 |
| mece | kwtm, I'd hate to have the phone call when I click on someones face. I'd like to give "that guy" a hug. | 10:10 |
| kwtm | mece: Yeah, unfortunately, unless I get to take a vacation in one of a select number of countries, I'll never get to try the phone. :P | 10:10 |
| mece | kwtm, ah, bummer. | 10:10 |
| * amiconn would *possibly* buy an N950 if those were available for sale. | 10:10 | |
| kwtm | That List of Countries Where N9 Is Not Available? They just went through a list of "Let's see, which countries did kwtm visit in the past few years ... ?" | 10:11 |
| amiconn | Some advantages and some disadvantages compared to N900. I certainly won't buy an N9 - severe step back imo | 10:11 |
| mece | amiconn, As a hacker device it's definitely a step back. the lack of keyboard is a big issue there. | 10:12 |
| kwtm | Anyone here actually have a N9? If yes, from where did you get it? | 10:12 |
| kwtm | mece: Yeah, I'm trying to imagine vim on a keyboardless phone. :P | 10:12 |
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| amiconn | Yeah, lack of hw keyboard is the show stopper for me | 10:13 |
| mece | kwtm, frals works for Nokia and has one. | 10:13 |
| mece | frals, you still work for nokia, right? | 10:13 |
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| kwtm | although that's probably the best editor to have, already, out of all the ones. I sometimes use the onscreen keyboard on the N900 with vim and have to type ggyyGP or something like that. :P | 10:14 |
| mece | heh | 10:14 |
| mece | I use nano and khteditor | 10:15 |
| kwtm | mece: When you say N9 is only proper linux phone, you mean besides N900? Or is the N900 disqualified in your mind? | 10:15 |
| Jartza | d'oh | 10:15 |
| mece | kwtm, besides N900 of course. N900 is the linuxest phone :) | 10:15 |
| Jartza | I found out that I still have the warranty on my N900 | 10:15 |
| kwtm | mece: Vim is not for everyone. I'm glad I learned it, but it's a huge learning curve. nano's useful, but a lot of Ctrl-<key> i think, and no scripting, right? | 10:16 |
| mece | kwtm, N900 is still the best hacker device by far, and I love it! | 10:16 |
| Jartza | the usb plug came out, known problem of course | 10:16 |
| Jartza | and the Nokia Service offered me E7 for a replacement :P | 10:16 |
| kwtm | Jartza: Are they still supporting that? Oh, E7. :P | 10:16 |
| mece | Jartza, that's terrible. but you might sell the E7 and buy N900 from somewhere else | 10:16 |
| Jartza | I didn't agree | 10:17 |
| mece | Jartza, what did they say? | 10:17 |
| kwtm | "USB plug came out? Sorry we don't have a replacement model --how about a year's supply of pink pony stickers for your Nokia Dumfone?" | 10:17 |
| Jartza | I told them I want my money back but they told me it's not possible :) | 10:17 |
| Jartza | but the fight is not over yet | 10:17 |
| mece | Jartza, they did not want to try fix it? | 10:17 |
| Jartza | nope | 10:17 |
| mece | hm | 10:18 |
| Jartza | they didn't even open it | 10:18 |
| kwtm | MoonTiger is selling me his extra N900. | 10:18 |
| mece | did you break off a bit of the circuit board or did the port come out alone? | 10:18 |
| Jartza | they just looked that "oh yeah, the plug is missing" and started to offer me E7 | 10:18 |
| Jartza | mece: just the port | 10:18 |
| kwtm | Jartza: Yeah, I'm treating my N900 as an orphaned device now. Planning out how to use it if the keyboard fails, the USB fails (wifi + external batt charger) etc. | 10:18 |
| mece | Jartza, you're a finn? | 10:19 |
| Jartza | I've been using the phone still, for 3 months, after the plug came out :) | 10:19 |
| Jartza | because I have an external charger | 10:19 |
| mece | Jartza, cool :) | 10:19 |
| Jartza | mece: yes | 10:19 |
| Jartza | ....and of course, 2 batteries | 10:19 |
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| kwtm | Jartza: Good move. Yeah, that lack of removable battery thing on the iPhone etc. doesn't work for me. Doesn't make sense. | 10:19 |
| mece | Jartza, radiotrimmeri in Turku fixed my n900's usb port in 3 hours. Perhaps you could try to take it to them, or some other Nokia service place that is not actually Nokia. | 10:20 |
| mece | Jartza, or at least give them a call. | 10:20 |
| Jartza | mece: hmm. thanks for the tip. | 10:20 |
| Jartza | I'm actually going to turku next week | 10:20 |
| mece | :) | 10:20 |
| Jartza | although it's only 100km from here to Turku, worth driving anyway if the device can be fixed | 10:21 |
| mece | ok well Radiotrimmer is here: http://www.radiotrimmeri.fi/index.phtml | 10:22 |
| mece | Jartza, give them a call and explain the situation. They fixed mine on warranty, so I guess they could fix your too. | 10:22 |
| mece | that was 18 months ago tho. | 10:23 |
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| kwtm | how many n900's are out there? (in users' hands, not in a Nokia warehouse) | 10:24 |
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| mece | kwtm, there has never been any numbers released afaik | 10:25 |
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| Jartza | mece: I have to try that, thanks :) | 10:28 |
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| Macer | uhm | 10:35 |
| Macer | is the voice thing "new" like the compass? :-) | 10:35 |
| Macer | heh | 10:35 |
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| dmj726 | Anyone happen to have their n900 taken apart at the moment? | 10:36 |
| Macer | i do but it is being mailed back to me | 10:36 |
| Macer | :-) | 10:36 |
| Macer | unfixed | 10:36 |
| dmj726 | aww | 10:36 |
| Macer | damnit | 10:36 |
| Macer | need to buy a new one | 10:36 |
| mece | Macer, what was the problem? USB? | 10:36 |
| dmj726 | did you ever look at the lcd screen without the backlight? | 10:36 |
| Macer | fking usb port | 10:37 |
| mece | damn | 10:37 |
| Macer | no. sorry | 10:37 |
| Macer | never took the screen apart | 10:37 |
| Macer | i was focused on the usb pirt | 10:37 |
| Macer | port | 10:37 |
| dmj726 | Macer, did it break off completely? | 10:37 |
| frals | mece: yeah, still with nokia atm | 10:37 |
| Macer | i think i am just going to see if i can find a compatible charging pad if i get a new one | 10:37 |
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| mece | frals :) | 10:37 |
| Macer | dmj726: yes | 10:38 |
| Macer | pads were good. friend of mine couldnt seem to get one on there tho | 10:38 |
| dmj726 | charging pad? | 10:38 |
| Macer | it has gotten to the point where buying a new or slightly used one will be a better option | 10:38 |
| Macer | yeah. those pads you toss things on to charge things | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmj726: sprry, LCD without backlight? what do you mean? | 10:39 |
| Macer | hopefully i can find one that works with an n900 | 10:39 |
| dmj726 | I'm wanting to shoot an image through an LCD | 10:39 |
| Macer | maybe a flush receiver would be nice | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 10:39 |
| dmj726 | The LCD I tried with makes everything behind it blurry | 10:39 |
| Macer | and i will just xfer everything over wifi | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might be severely out of luck | 10:39 |
| Macer | :-) | 10:39 |
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| dmj726 | wondering if that's just LCDs in general or maybe it's because the LCD was matte | 10:40 |
| dmj726 | Macer: There are universal battery chargers out there | 10:40 |
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| dmj726 | they have two little contacts that you align with your battery contacts | 10:41 |
| dmj726 | that way you can charge the battery without an n900 | 10:41 |
| dmj726 | DocScrutinizer: you've taken the n900 apart I believe | 10:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not the screen half | 10:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and *for sure* not the LCM | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I partially disassembled LCMs of PM FR | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | OM FreeRunner | 10:45 |
| dmj726 | did you ever look through the panel without the backlight? | 10:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it wasn't removable on that one | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the light spreader and possibly diffusor are very unique on each display I guess | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | in this LCD it's been a glued sandwitch iirc | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sandwich | 10:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900 is transflexive which doesn'T help I guess | 10:52 |
| dmj726 | would that mean it's likely also glued together? | 10:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or worse | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at it in bright sunlight, the colors vanish (mostly) | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | now figure how that works | 11:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are LCD sets ready made for use on a overhead projector, maybe you want to check out those | 11:04 |
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| woldrich | It's possible to charge a n900 with the help of another n900 and usbcable surely? | 12:23 |
| chem|st | doubt it | 12:24 |
| woldrich | why not? | 12:24 |
| chem|st | you cannot charge a battery with another battery without tricks, at least not in a useful way | 12:25 |
| woldrich | I thought it would just see it as another computer | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | You can charge it, yes, if you limit the charge rate on the other n900 to 100mA | 12:26 |
| woldrich | I'm talking about two n900's, usb cable, in the woods | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It will do this on the other n900 side, if you just enable 'boost' - and don't do anything to enable USB host | 12:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus charging @100mA rate is rather questionable an exercise - possibly it will rather discharge than charge | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Only if the other n900 is used | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Better way is to pop the battery | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | woldrich: bottom line: it's possible (to some extent) but useless | 12:31 |
| jiero | Is there a way to improve N900's talk time, I got only 4 hours talk time from Full to switch off via Skype. | 12:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this sounds about max you could possibly get | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 5..6h were possible when carefully tuning all parameters to minimize power consumption - this is a tedious job though, and not particularly simple | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | #1: make sure your data connection doesn't use more power than needed (10/100mW and PSM for WLAN, 2G vs 3G for GPRS dta connection, best was to use USB networking probably) | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | #2: make sure your screen is dim or off during call | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | #3: don't use video!! | 12:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | #4: tweak system to adapt CPU clock etc - only for real experts (who won't touch that anyway as they know about it being useless effort/result ratio) | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | And ensure you're in a good signal spot. | 12:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup, also on a WLAN channel (in case of WLAN connection) that doesn't have massive interference with neighbour APs causing up to 300% retransmits | 12:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | retransmissions? | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, data packages getting sent again up to 3 times (possibly more), due to collisions | 12:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so s/good signal spot/good signal QUALITY (not strength) spot/ | 12:42 |
| flux | hm, wouldn't strength be indicative of the rx power used by the device? | 12:43 |
| flux | well, maybe not, infact | 12:43 |
| flux | but being close to the station should help that, I assume wifi has adaptive rx power like bluetooth | 12:44 |
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| flux | and it's tx of course, not rx :) | 12:44 |
| merlin1991 | hm there was this application that showed wich networks are on wich channel, some other info and also had a graph over time, I gorgot the name though | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | adaptive rx power? s/rx/tx/ I guess, and no, WLAN doesn't have that | 12:44 |
| flux | hm, on my workstation iwconfig says 'Tx-Power=15 dBm' | 12:45 |
| flux | also my n900 says tx-power 20 dBm | 12:45 |
| flux | should try to move around to see if it changes | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't chage | 12:45 |
| flux | well, can one adjust it? | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no way it could know when and how to change | 12:46 |
| flux | at least there is that one low-power mode for it | 12:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, see N900 WLAN settings advanced 10/100mW TX power | 12:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on GSM the base station requests a power-factor to make the mobile equipment TX change from some few mW up to possibly 2W. Anyway that's the base station that decides how good is signal strength of signal sent by mobile, and requests and controls that accordingly. There's no such concept in 802.11 | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | the assumption you need a strong TX when you got a poor RX signal is simply wrong | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (given both refer to mobile equipment's notion of TX power and RX signal) | 12:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not quite wrong. | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It's usually related | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not always correct | 12:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's useless in real life usage | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | even more with MIMO AP | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: wifi-eye ? | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: rather informative but useless for powersaving if you can't control the AP ;-D | 13:01 |
| merlin1991 | yep wifi-eye was the one | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway iwconfig -> " Power Management:on Link Quality=78/100 Signal level:-44 dBm Noise level=-92 dBm " is the most interesting info you can get | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course wifi-eye will show relative signal strength of the AP you're interested in vs "noise" by other APs | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | for that those wifi-eye curve diagrams showing sidebands of spread spectrum created by modulation are really useful | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | all thumbs up for wifi-eye | 13:07 |
| * Sicelo downloads wifi-eye | 13:09 | |
| * SergSergiu destroy their n900 | 13:09 | |
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| merlin1991 | wifi-eye, DocScrutinizer approves | 13:12 |
| merlin1991 | ;) | 13:12 |
| Sicelo | it is really nice. thanks merlin1991 | 13:13 |
| merlin1991 | damn It, apt-get upgrade nuked my harmattan scratchbox | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | and this fsckd battery will die before I've dled the new rootstrap | 13:17 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, does anyone know about this store? http://danafursten56.de/web/product.php?id_product=119 | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ fixed my logitech mx-revolution :-)) | 13:56 |
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| eichi | hello, if I try to install cssu I get this message: "to update your device to this version of the operation system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. connect the device to your pc via usb cable and launch the application." BUTTON: "create backup" in the FAQ I read that maybe I have to less disk space or I should look at the errors tab in application manager. but there is nothing like that | 15:03 |
| eichi | I have latest ssu and want to install cssu package | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | eichi: when you tap the cssu package in the update view check the details/problems tab | 15:05 |
| eichi | merlin1991: oh, damn, there I did not look | 15:06 |
| eichi | thanks | 15:07 |
| merlin1991 | eichi: did you get the update running? | 15:10 |
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| eichi | at the moment I did a backup and learning math ;) means I can tell you in some minutes | 15:11 |
| eichi | I *do a backup | 15:11 |
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| eichi | merlin1991: it just conflicts with libqt4-test | 15:17 |
| mc_teo | my n900 died two days ago | 15:20 |
| mc_teo | RIP | 15:20 |
| Sicelo | what happened? | 15:21 |
| eichi | hardware? overclocked? | 15:21 |
| mc_teo | hardware failure in general i guess | 15:23 |
| mc_teo | it would read sim cards for like 6 months now | 15:23 |
| mc_teo | it wouldn't* | 15:24 |
| mc_teo | and it stopped charging now too | 15:24 |
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| merlin1991 | eichi: just apt-get remove libqt4-test | 15:35 |
| edheldil | mc_teo: overclocked or no? | 15:35 |
| merlin1991 | you'll get it back with the update afaik | 15:35 |
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| eichi | merlin1991: I know, thanks :) | 15:35 |
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| eichi | merlin1991: biggest hope is, that rebote works after cssu installation ;) | 15:36 |
| eichi | +o | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | reboot doesn't work? oO | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | well for me it doesn't work because I have uboot :D | 15:36 |
| eichi | its updating at the moment, I said its just my hope, that it works | 15:37 |
| merlin1991 | I was assuimng reboot didn't work earlier :D | 15:37 |
| merlin1991 | s/assuimng/assuming/ | 15:37 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: I was assuming reboot didn't work earlier :D | 15:37 |
| eichi | *its rebooting at the moment* ***hope like a pope* | 15:38 |
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| eichi | step 1) pin code correct | 15:38 |
| eichi | 2) baground and panel loaded | 15:38 |
| merlin1991 | 3) ????? | 15:38 |
| merlin1991 | 4) profit! | 15:38 |
| eichi | 2.9) still waiting on widgets | 15:39 |
| eichi | 2.99) message: OS update sucessful | 15:39 |
| eichi | 3) widgets loaded ;) | 15:39 |
| eichi | 4) looking for profits | 15:40 |
| eichi | lool, desktop rotation does not make sence if widgets are then on the same place | 15:41 |
| merlin1991 | eichi: rearrange them | 15:41 |
| merlin1991 | the desktop stores 2 widget positions | 15:41 |
| eichi | by the way: why do people like to use n900 vertical? One of the best things in the UI is, that its like widescreen style. I love this | 15:42 |
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| CodenameStrike-N | just wondering if it's possible to have separate wallpapers for portrait mode? | 15:42 |
| CodenameStrike-N | I mean | 15:42 |
| CodenameStrike-N | yet? | 15:42 |
| merlin1991 | well I use it vertical when I'm like in public transport and just use mediaplyer / twitter / some other thing to pass the time | 15:42 |
| CodenameStrike-N | well I use vertical when I'm too lazy to use both hands. | 15:43 |
| CodenameStrike-N | and when browsing in opera. | 15:43 |
| merlin1991 | CodenameStrike-N: I think arcean over in #maemo-ssu had some expermiental code ready to try | 15:43 |
| CodenameStrike-N | oh? | 15:43 |
| CodenameStrike-N | nice | 15:43 |
| CodenameStrike-N | should consider | 15:43 |
| CodenameStrike-N | my vkb is overridden by my JP input though | 15:44 |
| CodenameStrike-N | by SCIM that is | 15:44 |
| CodenameStrike-N | so I only type vertically when in Opera | 15:44 |
| mc_teo | edheldil: no, not overclocked | 15:44 |
| mc_teo | used it as a portable python interpreter | 15:45 |
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| eichi | very nice: scrolling desktops works much faster now!! | 15:45 |
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| CodenameStrike-N | whoops | 15:46 |
| CodenameStrike-N | xchat internal error. | 15:46 |
| merlin1991 | nice | 15:46 |
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| CodenameStrike-N | was trying to say that to mc_teo. | 15:47 |
| CodenameStrike-N | about him using his as a portable python interpreter. | 15:47 |
| CodenameStrike-N | pretty much everyone here uses treats their N900 as their mini-PCs don't they | 15:48 |
| merlin1991 | nope I use it as phone then irc client then twitter client | 15:49 |
| CodenameStrike-N | this device was like a dream come true I had years ago when I was like... 11 | 15:49 |
| merlin1991 | and I browse from time to time :D | 15:49 |
| CodenameStrike-N | haha | 15:49 |
| CodenameStrike-N | well pretty much like what I do | 15:49 |
| merlin1991 | and sometimes I go berserk and fire up hen plug in an external hd and feed movies to my tv | 15:49 |
| CodenameStrike-N | plus a lil bit of drawing sometimes | 15:49 |
| mc_teo | mine doesnt read sim cards though | 15:49 |
| mc_teo | so i could use it as a phone if i wanted to | 15:49 |
| CodenameStrike-N | whoa | 15:50 |
| CodenameStrike-N | I just reflashed yesterday then found out I wasn't reflashing the newest PR | 15:50 |
| eichi | me: phone, organizer, do online stuff, listen music with uwk transmitter in bath ;D | 15:50 |
| CodenameStrike-N | which led to my sim card not detected | 15:50 |
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| Zer0cool | hello peeps , im trying to update xterminal but it keeps trying to install NMAP beta can i block it some how | 15:59 |
| andre__ | update from what to what? | 16:00 |
| Zer0cool | some files for metasploit need updating , but it always updates nmap which stops yamas from working | 16:05 |
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| eichi | cssu tuner or cssu features configuration? | 16:09 |
| eichi | which is more updated? | 16:09 |
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| chem|st | eichi: no idea... look for features you need not for how recent they are | 16:54 |
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| timeless | hello world | 17:44 |
| timeless | anyone here remember the process they went through to get permanent residence in finland? :) | 17:44 |
| visz | birth | 17:44 |
| visz | can't remember how i did it | 17:44 |
| timeless | for my purposes, citizenship is not compatible w/ permanent residence :) | 17:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Traditionally, you invade, and take over the government, and declare yourself king. | 17:49 |
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| timeless | SpeedEvil: or Czar :) | 17:55 |
| timeless | but that doesn't make one a permanent resident either :) | 17:56 |
| momcilo | timeless, why don't you check http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/?language=EN | 17:58 |
| timeless | momcilo: does that have a way to look for the date of issue for a permanent residence stamp? | 17:58 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: for me it was a trip to the maistraati, show them my EU passport, done. antother thing was the eu residence permit, that was the police office, fill out a form, pay 45EUR, done | 17:59 |
| momcilo | timeless, I don't know you have to read it yourself, but that is the most logical place find such information, the other is embassy | 18:00 |
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| timeless | dm8tbr: if you wanted to find out the date your stamp was issued, how would you? | 18:00 |
| dm8tbr | uh, stamp? | 18:01 |
| momcilo | timeless, you already got the resident permit? | 18:01 |
| timeless | momcilo: too long ago to remember when | 18:02 |
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| * dm8tbr never got a stamp | 18:02 | |
| timeless | the problem is that my current country of residence is anal | 18:02 |
| * dm8tbr only has the original application form $somewhere(tm) | 18:02 | |
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| timeless | and wants to know my dates and statuses | 18:03 |
| momcilo | I see | 18:03 |
| timeless | dm8tbr: presumably that means you were an EU citizen | 18:03 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: you could ask the office where you registered. dunno what sort of proof they'll want for identity. | 18:03 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: yes, both my citizenships are for EU countries | 18:04 |
| timeless | well, i have a stamp, presumably the stamp's id could be looked up | 18:04 |
| dm8tbr | ah, I see | 18:04 |
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| timeless | it's kinda silly, the 1 and 3 year visa's have dates of issue/expiry on them | 18:04 |
| timeless | the permanent residence one doesn't seem to have any dates | 18:04 |
| timeless | it's permanent, so that kinda makes sense | 18:04 |
| timeless | unless of course, one needs to be able to answer this stupid question! | 18:04 |
| timeless | dm8tbr: so, in short, you wouldn't have any good way of answering the question either | 18:06 |
| timeless | that makes me feel better, although it isn't particularly helpful (not your fault, i didn't expect a good answer from anyone) | 18:06 |
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| dm8tbr | :) | 18:08 |
| dm8tbr | you could either ask the issuing authority or your local finnish consulate for help | 18:09 |
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| timeless | ooh, this should be fun | 18:14 |
| timeless | http://www.finland.ca/public/default.aspx?nodeid=41225&contentlan=2&culture=en-US | 18:14 |
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| timeless | http://www.finland.ca/public/default.aspx?nodeid=36030&contentlan=2&culture=en-US doesn't look promising | 18:15 |
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| timeless | they charge 20eur for certain services that might be similar but probably don't cover my need | 18:16 |
| timeless | ooh, fun | 18:17 |
| timeless | http://formin.finland.fi/public/default.aspx?nodeid=36584&contentlan=2&culture=en-US | 18:17 |
| timeless | try clicking on "Local register offices " on that page | 18:17 |
| timeless | contrast that with: http://formin.finland.fi/public/default.aspx?nodeid=36584&contentlan=0&culture=fi-FI | 18:19 |
| * timeless thinks that's the same page more or less in Finnish | 18:19 | |
| timeless | oh, in case you were wondering, the &culture= bit doesn't seem to actually do something useful | 18:19 |
| timeless | it's the contentlan=0 that's exciting :) | 18:20 |
| timeless | oh, and the lans are 1(fi), 2(en), 3(sv) | 18:20 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 18:20 |
| timeless | http://formin.finland.fi/public/default.aspx?nodeid=36584&contentlan=3 | 18:21 |
| timeless | the link for swedish speakers also doesn't work | 18:21 |
| timeless | anyone here a Swedish Speaking Finn? | 18:21 |
| timeless | could you please complain to the people who own that page, asserting your Right to Equal Service | 18:21 |
| timeless | :) | 18:21 |
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| timeless | actually, i should give them some credit, there's a box on the right "This document" which lets you switch languages | 18:22 |
| timeless | sadly, there was no way i was going to recognize *that* as the way to switch languages... | 18:23 |
| timeless | (it's a good place to hide a useful feature) | 18:23 |
| * RST38h wonders what is wrong with English | 18:23 | |
| RST38h | Doesn't timeless speak and read English? | 18:23 |
| timeless | RST38h: the link is 404 | 18:23 |
| timeless | try clicking it! | 18:24 |
| timeless | (you can try Swedish if you prefer..) | 18:24 |
| timeless | > Content administrator Passport and Visa Unit Updated 9/8/2011 | 18:24 |
| timeless | > © Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland 2006 | About this site | Web Communications Unit | 18:24 |
| timeless | right.. | 18:24 |
| timeless | > Päivitetty 8.9.2011 | 18:24 |
| timeless | > © Ulkoasiainministeriö 2006 | Tietoa verkkopalvelusta | Verkkoviestintäryhmä | 18:24 |
| timeless | well, at least they're consistent :) | 18:24 |
| RST38h | hm, I clicked on "In English" and got a page | 18:25 |
| RST38h | It is not the same page, but SOME page in English | 18:25 |
| timeless | RST38h: yes | 18:25 |
| timeless | [11:17] <timeless> try clicking on "Local register offices " on that page | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Ok, I have found this page in English | 18:25 |
| RST38h | http://formin.finland.fi/public/default.aspx?contentid=88728&nodeid=36584&contentlan=2&culture=en-US | 18:25 |
| timeless | it's to the left of the yellow box on http://formin.finland.fi/public/default.aspx?contentid=88728&nodeid=36584&contentlan=2&culture=en-US | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Took me a moment | 18:25 |
| timeless | right | 18:25 |
| timeless | [11:25] <timeless> [11:17] <timeless> try clicking on "Local register offices " on that page | 18:25 |
| RST38h | You do know that the Finnish version of the sam epage also returns 404? | 18:26 |
| timeless | it didn't! | 18:26 |
| RST38h | does for me =) | 18:26 |
| timeless | ?! | 18:26 |
| timeless | http://formin.finland.fi/public/default.aspx?contentid=85751&nodeid=36584&contentlan=1&culture=fi-FI | 18:26 |
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| timeless | has: <li xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><a href="http://www.maistraatti.fi/" target="_blank">Maistraatit</a> </li> | 18:27 |
| timeless | which works | 18:27 |
| timeless | (do i want to know why they're using xhtml?) | 18:27 |
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| timeless | (or maybe, that's view-selection-source being silly) | 18:27 |
| timeless | sorry: | 18:28 |
| timeless | <ul><li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.maistraatti.fi/">Maistraatit</a> </li></ul> | 18:28 |
| timeless | do you really get a 404 for the similar link from the FI page? | 18:28 |
| timeless | <ul><li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.maistraatti.fi/en/index.html">Local register offices</a> </li> | 18:29 |
| timeless | is the English link | 18:29 |
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| timeless | <ul><li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.maistraatti.fi/se/index.html">Magistraterna</a> </li | 18:29 |
| timeless | is the swedish link | 18:29 |
| * timeless sighs | 18:30 | |
| timeless | people really don't understand how to make links | 18:30 |
| timeless | http://www.maistraatti.fi/en/index.aspx is amusing | 18:30 |
| * timeless doesn't know what it says | 18:30 | |
| timeless | oddly, some error pages are in en and some are in fi | 18:31 |
| * timeless doesn't understand the logic | 18:31 | |
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| slonopotamus | going online on n900 with 100+ IM contacts is totally weird performance-wise | 19:28 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 21:15 |
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| TiagoTiago | I'm planning on reflashing my N900, is that technique of copying the rootfs and chrooting into the copy recommended? (whether i'm doing it or not will influence the path i take) | 21:16 |
| * Sicelo wonders what TiagoTiago really wants to do | 21:19 | |
| TiagoTiago | To make it easy to fix things if i mess up some system files | 21:19 |
| Sicelo | sounds like backupmenu is what you need | 21:19 |
| TiagoTiago | Doesn't it got some issues with powerkernel and the CSSU? | 21:19 |
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| Sicelo | BM? none that i'm aware of. BM kicks in before Maemo does, aiui | 21:20 |
| TiagoTiago | Also, i'm gonna use a modified partition table, giving home more space, not sure if that affectes backupmenu in any way | 21:20 |
| NIN101 | TiagoTiago: maybe this might be interesting for you, dunno: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 | 21:21 |
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| TiagoTiago | Is that one safe in terms of compatibility with stuff like power kernel etc? How about backupmenu? | 21:25 |
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| TiagoTiago | Is there some guide covering all the currently avaiable options such as those? | 21:26 |
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| NIN101 | rescueOS will work even if maemo is completely dead(that's the whole point), and doesn't touch it (depends on you). But you must know how to use the linux console because it doesn't have some magic "fix everything" tool on board :-). | 21:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | That seems like a great last option before reflashing | 21:31 |
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| TiagoTiago | hm, seems it requires a linux machine to use, doesn't work with just the N900 | 21:39 |
| NIN101 | no. | 21:39 |
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| bebna | so i got my n900 today, but no sim seems to work, is this a normal problem? | 21:44 |
| NIN101 | you read about it here and there, but I don't know what it happens. | 21:44 |
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| TiagoTiago | wasn't there a bug with older versions of the firmware (or perhaps it was with the leaked version of one of the releases) that caused issues like that? | 21:46 |
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| bebna | i update now to 20.2010.36-2 | 21:46 |
| bebna | is this a recent version? 2010 sounds old | 21:47 |
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| NIN101 | The newest official firmware is from October 2010, 20.2010.36-2. | 21:49 |
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| bebna | and latest inofficial stable version? | 21:52 |
| NIN101 | doesn't matter for you now, install the 20.2010.36-2, then you can think about installing CSSU. Because CSSU is distributed over .deb packages and not as a firmware image. | 21:54 |
| bebna | yeah i have 3g now! | 21:56 |
| bebna | is there a dedicated website who i can read about things like cssu and other things to setup my lovely n900 after my desire? | 21:59 |
| NIN101 | wiki.maemo.org ; talk.maemo.org | 21:59 |
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| bebna | ok thanks | 22:00 |
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| TiagoTiago | editing the eMMC image to have different partition sizes does work with pr1.3, right? | 23:06 |
| Sicelo | yes TiagoTiago | 23:07 |
| Sicelo | !jrtools @ TiagoTiago | 23:07 |
| Sicelo | ~jrtools @ TiagoTiago | 23:07 |
| Sicelo | ~jrtools @ sicelo | 23:07 |
| TiagoTiago | not getting anything here | 23:08 |
| Sicelo | ~jrtools | 23:08 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 23:08 |
| Sicelo | i'm dumb, you will please forgive me :P | 23:08 |
| merlin1991 | ~tell sicelo about jrtools | 23:08 |
| merlin1991 | I think that was the command you were searching for :D | 23:09 |
| Sicelo | yeah. | 23:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | do you got a link handy to instructions on modifying the partition table of the image using an hex editor? (i just wanna be sure i'm changing the numbers in the right place, and i'm doing it with an hex editor instead of using an automated way like how it is in that jrtools page) | 23:21 |
| TiagoTiago | though i guess i should just change the first 2048 i find | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | iirc it's a human readable table at the begining of the file | 23:22 |
| TiagoTiago | i just change one number and both home and MyDocs get changed to fit? | 23:23 |
| Sicelo | hex editor won't make any difference at all. you will still be writing the same stuff to the same files, with the same results :) | 23:24 |
| TiagoTiago | using hex editor there is less chance of inserting bad characters than using many text editors | 23:25 |
| Sicelo | yes, which sed is not | 23:26 |
| TiagoTiago | there is a space between the = and the number, would it be safe to replace the space with an additional digit? | 23:27 |
| TiagoTiago | don't got sed on Windows | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably no, it's not safe to replace the space delimiter between = and the numeric parameter. I'd guess it's safe though to "move" the whole term to teh left a bit, as that'S obviously a line starting with several tabs or spaces | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway do NOT insert or delete chars, I.E filesize must not change | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme check | 23:31 |
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| OkropNick | is there any software for N900 that turn off cell phone at night and turn it on at day? | 23:38 |
| OkropNick | only phone function, not device | 23:38 |
| TiagoTiago | two tabs at the beggining of the line, would it be safe to delete one of the tabs to be able to have an additional digit without changing the file size or are the tabs essential? | 23:38 |
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| TiagoTiago | DocScrutinizer? | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: hit F5 on my tools page | 23:45 |
| TiagoTiago | the jrtools? | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 23:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | how will i know if the change messes things up? Will it produce an error or things will be screwy once i boot after doing the reflash? | 23:49 |
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| Sicelo | OkropNick: of course. i would use Alarmed + phone-control --celloff/on | 23:54 |
| OkropNick | Sicelo: thanks for hint! | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | there's a widget called tablet mode or something for manual control | 23:56 |
| OkropNick | Sicelo: and what is phone-control? | 23:56 |
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| Sicelo | a nice package based on wiki page of the same name :) | 23:57 |
| TiagoTiago | Are there any reasons i should not try doing that technique involving copying rootfs to the big memory chip and chrooting to not have to deal with low memory on rootfs? | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | TiagoTiago; just backup everything first, and make sure your pc can flash the phone in case you screw up? | 23:58 |
| OkropNick | Sicelo: ok, I'll check it, thanks again | 23:58 |
| TiagoTiago | I mean, are there any known incompatibilities with things like power kernel, backup menu etc? | 23:58 |
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