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| TiagoTiago | or any other incompatibilities i should be aware of? | 00:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | Would it be safe to modify the script from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59374 so that it puts all those folders inside a subfolder of /home instead of directly in /home to keep things more tidy? | 00:54 |
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| lardman | TiagoTiago: yeah I can't see why not, just as along as they aren't placed onto the VFAT partition | 01:00 |
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| TiagoTiago | alright, thanx | 01:01 |
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| lardman | TiagoTiago: and do let us know that it does work ;) | 01:05 |
| TiagoTiago | I won't be doing that today, i'm just trying to clear some details before i reflash and start building the system up in the next few days | 01:06 |
| lardman | You'll of course need to alter paths and the like in the scripts, but I'm sure you realise that | 01:06 |
| TiagoTiago | just in those scripts there, right? | 01:07 |
| lardman | er, yeah, though I didn't actually look at them, just the description of what was being done | 01:07 |
| lardman | once you chroot it makes no odds to what runs inside | 01:07 |
| lardman | it's just setting up the chroot correctly, and there you will probably need to alter how the symlinks, etc. are created | 01:08 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 01:08 |
| lardman | bit late in the evening now, but I can have a look tomorrow | 01:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | mostly just a matter of looking for each instance of "?home/" and replacing with "/home/newfolder", checking them one by one just in case there is somthing unique about some instance, right? | 01:10 |
| TiagoTiago | oops, typo | 01:10 |
| lardman | yep | 01:10 |
| TiagoTiago | Each instance of "/home/" and replacting with "/home/newfolder/"* | 01:10 |
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| lardman | hmm, I guess the only question there is whether it uses chroot or tells the kernel to use a different root device | 01:14 |
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| lardman | TiagoTiago: ok, so I take it back, I don't think it uses chroot | 01:16 |
| TiagoTiago | so it might not be possible to set it to a subfolder the way i described? | 01:17 |
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| lardman | no, at least not necessarily so easily | 01:18 |
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| lardman | or possibly at all - I'm just trying to work out what his scripts do | 01:18 |
| lardman | does this require e.g. bootmenu to be used? | 01:20 |
| lardman | I should really read all of the post | 01:20 |
| TiagoTiago | i think it will load the system from this new place if you boot with the keyboard open | 01:20 |
| lardman | I just don't see where he alters e.g. init to make that work | 01:22 |
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| lardman | but I'm half asleep, so it may be staring me in the face | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | there might be references to physical devices/partitions, in mounting scripts etc | 01:22 |
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| lardman | but re. making a sub-dir under ~, more investigation needed | 01:22 |
| TiagoTiago | alright, thanx for trying :) | 01:23 |
| lardman | I don't know how bootmenu works, and there's a check for that in the scripts | 01:23 |
| lardman | TiagoTiago: sorry for the initial mis-info | 01:23 |
| TiagoTiago | it's alright | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and a chroot isn't probably the right thing to do here, if we'Re speaking about a full maemo system. Rather you want to do a pivotroot sometime early in original init | 01:23 |
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| lardman | well the two are pretty close ;) | 01:25 |
| lardman | my fault with terminology | 01:25 |
| zeroc00l | hey guys im using xchat anybody know how to change color of replys there always so dark . | 01:27 |
| lardman | Settings > Preferences iirc | 01:27 |
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| zeroc00l | tryed that but the color never seems to change | 01:29 |
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| lardman | oh I don't know then, is this on a Maemo device? | 01:30 |
| zeroc00l | n900 | 01:31 |
| lardman | ah no idea, perhaps that's not hooked up then | 01:31 |
| zeroc00l | ok cheers any one else any ideas | 01:33 |
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| lardman | I guess the other option is to see if the conf file can be edited directly | 01:34 |
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| lardman | ah, XChat2 here, but there is a ~/.xchat2/colors.conf file, so you may find something similar | 01:35 |
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| lardman | night all | 01:35 |
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| zeroc00l | night night | 01:40 |
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| zeroc00l | has anybody ever installed SET on n900 | 01:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | lardman|gone: seems it was modified later to use a subfolder, it just wasn't mentioned in the original post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=882759&postcount=122 | 01:56 |
| TiagoTiago | oh, wait, no, wasn't the same guy... | 01:56 |
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| wirr | hi all! | 02:08 |
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| TiagoTiago | brb | 02:09 |
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| wirr | I'm running MyDocs off a vfat lvm volume (/dev/mapper/docs) everything works fine, only the camera complains abount "memory not accessible". probably some hardcoded check for mmcblk0. any hints which scripts to check? | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zeroc00l: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 02:15 |
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| NIN101 | wirr: I'm running something similiar | 02:16 |
| wirr | NIN101: ah yes, I saw your forum posts for crypto setups. | 02:17 |
| NIN101 | wirr: mkdir /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM | 02:17 |
| wirr | haven't had any success with your osso scripts though | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | wirr: camera is creating the folder in a weird way (upper vs lower case, root creates, user tries to write to it) | 02:17 |
| wirr | ls -lhd /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ | 02:18 |
| wirr | drwxrwxrwx 2 user root 16.0K Oct 3 2011 /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | cameraui is known to break when MyDocs is no VFAT | 02:18 |
| wirr | /dev/mapper/docs on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, there are quite a number of quirks wirh camera and storage | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | several clever devels looked into that back in PR1.1 times | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | conclusion been "it's terribly coded/designed" | 02:21 |
| wirr | Doc: easy to believe. :-( | 02:21 |
| zeroc00l | i did wonder were you was doc , can you help me with my SET install , will check link cheers | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno SET | 02:22 |
| zeroc00l | The Social-Engineer Toolkit (SET) | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I don't know this | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably I can't help | 02:23 |
| wirr | NIN101: you basically are running the same setup as I do. what does your fstab say for MyDocs? | 02:23 |
| NIN101 | nothing. | 02:24 |
| zeroc00l | would you know how to start a setup.py file ?? | 02:24 |
| NIN101 | wirr: it doesn't matter I mean | 02:25 |
| NIN101 | because I intercept the mounting attempts and then truecrypt mounts it. | 02:25 |
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| wirr | ok | 02:26 |
| NIN101 | it's also ext3. But do you mount with? noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir | 02:26 |
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| e0x | cmt failed when flash = hardware problem right ? | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | n900? | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e0x: not always | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are known issues with e.g. the US local image | 02:36 |
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| e0x | DocScrutinizer: for some reason it don't let me flash eMMC | 02:40 |
| e0x | i can flash fiasco but the cmt faild | 02:40 |
| e0x | i can flash fiasco but the cmt fail | 02:40 |
| e0x | SpeedEvil: yes | 02:40 |
| e0x | i think the telephony hardware is dead | 02:41 |
| e0x | i will clean it again with alcohol | 02:41 |
| zeroc00l | are you flashing a custom emmc ?? | 02:41 |
| e0x | noup | 02:41 |
| e0x | such exist ? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, you got some water in your N900? | 02:42 |
| e0x | not sure , is for sure that i drop it a few time | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | cleaning won't help then | 02:43 |
| e0x | hope is the last thing with lose :( | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for cleaning with ethanol you should use 99% anyway | 02:44 |
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| e0x | yes | 02:44 |
| e0x | isopropyl | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | e0x: You're in the EU aren't you? | 02:44 |
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| e0x | SpeedEvil: not , caribbean | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 02:45 |
| e0x | don't exist nokia repair center here | 02:45 |
| e0x | and i think is out of warranty anyway | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Not in the EU. | 02:45 |
| e0x | oh ok | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | No nokia repair centre, however, it's not likely to be 13C indoors either. | 02:45 |
| e0x | heh | 02:45 |
| e0x | true | 02:46 |
| zeroc00l | ye they do search for EMMC By.Mido FaYad | 02:46 |
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| e0x | what nokia repair center will do in this case ? change the board logic ? | 02:47 |
| Zer0cool | @doc thanks config file worked mint ... | 02:49 |
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| wirr | NIN101: yep using the same mount opts | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zer0cool: glad to help :-) | 02:56 |
| Zer0cool | any idea how to run setup.py file .? | 02:57 |
| Zer0cool | tryed all the normall commands but nothing | 02:57 |
| e0x | pyhon setup.py install ? | 03:00 |
| e0x | python* | 03:00 |
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| Zer0cool | @e0x this is the error im getting http://pastebin.com/xXDSwKQ9 | 03:09 |
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| faina | is the toolkit checking dpkg? | 03:24 |
| Zer0cool | nope im building from source | 03:25 |
| Zer0cool | the problem is todo with build-essential i think | 03:26 |
| faina | Yes, but build-essential is a debian/ubuntu meta-package. python's setuptools shouldn't depend on it. | 03:26 |
| faina | you should look at setup.py and see if its doing apt-get inside it | 03:27 |
| Zer0cool | this is my error http://pastebin.com/xXDSwKQ9 | 03:27 |
| faina | Yes. somehow setup.py is running apt-get. and one of the packages it depends on isn't available | 03:29 |
| faina | look at the setup.py to figure out what it's trying to install. | 03:29 |
| faina | gotta go though, good lick | 03:30 |
| faina | er luck | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 09:22 |
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| reenignEesreveR | is there a good mp3 encoding app for n900? | 09:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | mencoder? | 09:55 |
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| gomiam | psycho_oreos: I guess if it worked correctly on N8x0 it should work even better on N900 | 09:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | gomiam, not that I have tried using it mind you :) I have a proper computer to do it with not to shorten the lifespan of my N900 | 09:59 |
| gomiam | psycho_oreos: lifespan or battery span? ;) | 10:00 |
| gomiam | psycho_oreos: I converted a few short videos long time ago | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lifespan | 10:01 |
| psycho_oreos | either way :) | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 600MHz is "official overclocking" and shortens lifespan of CPU to 23% | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | *to*, not by | 10:02 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: I think nobody mentioned overclocking :) | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 on stock kernel runs at 600MHz with heavy CPU load | 10:02 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: that's what nice is for ;) | 10:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't think nice will help for that (though I'm not entirely sure how cpufreq / governor will react to nicing a heavy-load-process. Would think it's still following run-to-idle strategy) | 10:05 |
| mece | mornin' | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo mece | 10:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check nice manpage and general scheduler concepts - nice doesn't reduce CPU clock generally, it even does nothing at all if the nice'd process is the only running process. Nice simply changes the priority which in turn decides who (which process) is next to get a timeslice. If there's no competing process, your nice'd process will still get all the timeslices available | 10:09 |
| reenignEesreveR | also, anybody knows a robust app/script for timelapse videos? | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | or generally a *working* app for simple video postprocessing (like truncating, joining, cutting)? | 10:15 |
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| reenignEesreveR | and which also makes use of the builtin DSP | 10:15 |
| reenignEesreveR | :) | 10:15 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, guys, the N900's lived up to it's reputation: I just got myself a pair of broken phones, one with a so-called reboot loop problem. Turns out, just something screwy with NITDroid; reflashing the rootfs with a known-good image solved the problem | 10:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | its moreso the merrier reason that the illiterate owner got sick of woes and sold it to someone more literate :) | 10:58 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yeah. Also, someone who knows how to use Testdisk. <_< | 11:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | not necessarily :) | 11:03 |
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| robbiethe1st | No. I do. | 11:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | ahh | 11:07 |
| robbiethe1st | Which means I've now found all sorts of media to play with. People should really reflash their phones before selling them :\ | 11:07 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 11:10 |
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| Hardknox | I love N900 but is there any change to get full workable android with call for this phone ? | 11:23 |
| Hardknox | chance* | 11:23 |
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| dm8tbr | look at nitdroid... | 11:24 |
| Hardknox | since now I look at this project, this time I managed to buy a HTC with android and the N900 is in the drawer with the sentiment, I would finally use it or sell but hesitate because I do not know what are the current capabilities of the hardware | 11:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 11:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | your purpose of N900 was just to have nitdroid (android equivalent) on it? what a waste | 11:42 |
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| chem|st | Hardknox: if I want google handcouffs I buy one... | 11:51 |
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| chem|st | maemo is and will remain for a while the best phone os for n900 | 11:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah. I don't get the benefit of Android... | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | For some reason there are those who think putting a Ford engine in a Porsche would be cool :S | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | and honestly, you'll end up looking more like a wannabe fanboy than being some real hacker who did all the hard work of porting it across and still spends time on porting it | 11:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Well... I'd do /that/ before using Android on my N900 | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | porting and cursing | 11:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Though, I'd actually go the whole way and toss out the Porsche body for a proper ford one... | 11:54 |
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| psycho_oreos | and you end up with a Ford car by the end of all that conversions when you could have simply just buy a Ford -_- | 11:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah. | 11:55 |
| robbiethe1st | 'course, I'd much prefer a Ford over a Porsche... I'm just that sort of person. | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I was using Ford and Porsche as an analogy for the case with maemo 5 vs android :) | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | more like Nokia N900 vs HTC ??? | 11:57 |
| robbiethe1st | I know. | 11:57 |
| robbiethe1st | I have to say, though, the N9 actually seems like it has good potential to match the N900, assuming we can work around Aegis properly. | 11:57 |
| Hardknox | Do not have understood me well, I got rid of the N900 is not because I have a great fondness for it because it is waiting for the good times come more and more I wonder about its sales outlook because I see no instance of an update to meego as in N9 | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | I beg to differ, N900 = more mobile computer centric vs N9 = more smartphone centric | 12:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, yeah, I noticed that | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | N9 is also fyi a dead end as well | 12:01 |
| robbiethe1st | More or less, yeah. Though, Nokia /may/ be using the UI and QT/linux on some of their low-end devices, apparently | 12:02 |
| Hardknox | It would be even used a fully functional android on it, but from what I read on the forum nitdroid very distant future | 12:02 |
| Hardknox | :) | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | the much talked meltemi? I really don't know if that'll ever fly. Flop signed an agreement with microsoft and I thought that would bring the death of linux for nokia. I can't really imagine meltemi being a linux platform | 12:03 |
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| Hardknox | Meltemi is a pipe dream, an invention of the Internet | 12:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Maby | 12:04 |
| Hardknox | My close friend who works for NOKI in Oslo says this nonsense | 12:04 |
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| robbiethe1st | So they're completely getting out of the low-end phone market? | 12:04 |
| psycho_oreos | android is slowly withering away too, look at microsoft signing deals already with the biggest handheld manufacturers because of that scare over apple patent trolling | 12:04 |
| Hardknox | Czy chodziło Ci o: wierzę mu bo polityka NOKI znacząco się zmienia | 12:04 |
| Hardknox | I believe him because politics has changed significantly NOKI | 12:04 |
| maybeHere | Hardknox: but then, what do nokia employees know about their companie's strategic decisions | 12:05 |
| Trewas | a friend working for a nokia contractor said "oh they already announced it", when there was some news about meltemi | 12:05 |
| maybeHere | (what does nokia management know about their company's strategic decisions) | 12:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Eh, android isn't going away. MS is signing deals, yes, but that means MS can't sue them about it. | 12:05 |
| Hardknox | I trust him on these matters because what else troops and another to work directly under the marketing and the industry is working there | 12:05 |
| robbiethe1st | And, of course, you have Motorola with Google behind it... we'll see some major sparks fly when MS hits them | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | no no microsoft isn't suing them but apple sued these other android handheld manufacturers which is not only to win some money but also used as a scare tactic for other players to get off the android platform or face similar dire consequences | 12:06 |
| ruskie | intellectual ventures already hit motorola | 12:06 |
| robbiethe1st | ruskie: who? And are they fighting it? | 12:07 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/07/intellectual_ventures_patent_motorola/ | 12:08 |
| ruskie | ex-m$ stuff | 12:08 |
| ruskie | if you believe it ;) | 12:08 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, we'll have to see what happens. Honestly, I hope google gets fed up and pays off the right people; gets proper patent reform. | 12:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Or at least sues these people back to the stone age | 12:10 |
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| edheldil | not probable | 12:10 |
| edheldil | you can't sue real patent trolls | 12:10 |
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| robbiethe1st | All you have to do is stall until they go bankrupt | 12:10 |
| edheldil | because thay do not produce anything except of litigation cases | 12:10 |
| robbiethe1st | And google has plenty of income to pay their lawyers | 12:11 |
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| Robot101 | /wg #ra | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: o/ | 12:17 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: ahoy. stupid Irssi paste detection + laggy 3G | 12:17 |
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| robbiethe1st | Ok, where would I find a list of the known test points on the back of the N900? | 12:24 |
| psycho_oreos | on the wiki page and cpkb | 12:24 |
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| robbiethe1st | Which wiki page? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic ? | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise ask me to find out about particular testpoints, using my blank PCB | 12:24 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, I'm trying to find J5300/J5301. They look like the most likely candidates for USB connection | 12:25 |
| robbiethe1st | And, a vbus line | 12:25 |
| psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | about D+/- and VBUS, see: | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 12:26 |
| infobot | usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 12:26 |
| robbiethe1st | As soon as I get my data migrated to my new, used N900, I'm going to be hacking a new USB port into my old N900, using wires from the debug pins | 12:27 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.cpkb.org/images/9/99/Nokia_n900_pinout.jpg | 12:27 |
| robbiethe1st | It looks to me like I'd still have ESD protection, as I'm connecting in-line with the ESD protector diodes, though I might have to do something about Z5300 | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | which isn't completely correct and also not comprehensive | 12:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: the methods with short wires to next component inside can nearby is the recommended method to fix a USB that's completely broken to the pads | 12:29 |
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| robbiethe1st | You mean, try to connect to the ESD protection chips? | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops nop | 12:34 |
| Hardknox | austria =) | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12 | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check my notes on ID pin though (small red connection from 1st right to 2nd pin, next to [GND] label) | 12:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Is ID even used? | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's connected to some circuitry, though rarely ever used in real life | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | connecting it hard to GND however is a silly thing to do | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | better keep it unconnected | 12:39 |
| robbiethe1st | ok | 12:40 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm how can I disable automatic upgrade notifications? as in, not sync repos automatically at all? | 12:44 |
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| robbiethe1st | You can set it to an arbitrary time like 1yr between checks | 12:46 |
| Sicelo | Shapeshifter: you can't, but can extend the period before updating. check Customizing Maemo wiki page | 12:46 |
| Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, sicelo bet me to it | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | beats | 12:48 |
| Sicelo | :) | 12:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Bad, DocS! You need to be faster! | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, was busy with coffee | 12:48 |
| robbiethe1st | 100 practice copy and pastes! Now, soldier! | 12:48 |
| robbiethe1st | >:3 | 12:48 |
| Shapeshifter | Sicelo: thanks | 12:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | gconftool -s --type int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval 2147483647 since a bit more than 4 years is just what I need. | 12:54 |
| Shapeshifter | 4000 years, excuse | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: there've been reports it fails completely in some weird way when value is completely outa bounds. better use something equivalent to 1 yera, or 2 | 12:56 |
| Shapeshifter | that is apparently the maximum value | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and something is truncating this max value by a bit or two (or 4 or 8) | 12:57 |
| Shapeshifter | okay okay | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2147483647 is 7FFFFFFF | 12:58 |
| Hardknox | N900 its best for watching porn =) quick swap.sh and everything is hide :D | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka maxint_s32 | 12:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | erminig is such a buggy piece of software | 13:01 |
| Shapeshifter | it barely works | 13:01 |
| Shapeshifter | which is sufficient and great but really... | 13:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | Also, I'm quite happy. BM's been working great on my new N900. I loaded my older flashable image, backed up the old data on it to an image over USB, flashes emmc, PR1.3, then reflashed my flashable image, then loaded in my latest device backup via SD card. | 13:34 |
| robbiethe1st | With any luck, I'll then just have to restore my MyDocs data and everything will be good | 13:34 |
| reenignEesreveR | no google maps on n900? :( | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:36 |
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| robbiethe1st | Can't you just use the webinterface though? | 13:42 |
| Sicelo | ~usbfix | 13:43 |
| infobot | well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 13:43 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: sounds like pain! I skip the flashable image and be good... reflash, start backup restore, rsync /etc/ and home and I am fine... | 13:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, going from a brand new device with other people's shit on it | 13:43 |
| robbiethe1st | And someone had nitdroid, so I had to flash emmc | 13:43 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: still just what I said above with any device! | 13:44 |
| chem|st | MyDocs is part of home | 13:44 |
| robbiethe1st | So what's the advantage? You'd still have to redownload all applications | 13:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Not to mention that this is about 5x faster than trying to redownload even 100mb over my connection | 13:45 |
| chem|st | they are in the backup-restore, and just two taps away and some waiting... | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | ...for it to redownload off the internet | 13:45 |
| chem|st | well connection speed is no issue for | 13:45 |
| chem|st | me | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | I have a 1.5mbit connection. | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - some apps are no longer available | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | ^^ | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | angry birds and sygic, for example. | 13:45 |
| chem|st | the installed programs are part of the backup | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | No, just the list of programs | 13:46 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: I dont need closed source... | 13:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Which means if it's gone from the server, you can't get it | 13:46 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: thats what I mean | 13:46 |
| chem|st | for all things I need I have .debs anyways... | 13:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I can tell you from previous experience... The Nokia backup tool does /not/ include the deb files. | 13:46 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: I know | 13:47 |
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| chem|st | but even sygic and angrybirds are available via torrent | 13:47 |
| reenignEesreveR | webinterface isn't integrated with gps | 13:48 |
| robbiethe1st | This allowed me to do stuff otherwise impossible: 1, pull files off a bricked phone. 2, load my stuff /exactly/ as I had it before; all files exactly as I had them. | 13:48 |
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| chem|st | robbiethe1st: true | 13:48 |
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| reenignEesreveR | does anybody know the status of dalvik-vm port of n900? | 13:48 |
| chem|st | but why do you need to flash vanilla and then flash again? | 13:48 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes someone had gotten / on sd working | 13:49 | |
| robbiethe1st | Because I wanted to get CMT etc flashed to PR1.3 | 13:49 |
| robbiethe1st | I could have flashed everything /but/ the rootfs, yes | 13:49 |
| chem|st | if it is flash once for all ok, in terms of programs not available anymore ok... but anything else is fixable... and rsync restores exactly what I need | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: harmattan ;-P | 13:50 |
| chem|st | even installed programs as I backup persistent / | 13:50 |
| robbiethe1st | heh. Try to restore / and you'll run into exactly what I did when I tried a year ago | 13:50 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: I did that twice | 13:51 |
| robbiethe1st | any programs that are open at the time... it'll sometimes crash the device. | 13:51 |
| robbiethe1st | If you restore the wrong bits | 13:51 |
| chem|st | do not restore open files... sure | 13:51 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean... anyone can tell you that trying to restore a root backup to an in-use drive is just asking for trouble. That's why I went to all the trouble of making BM run inside a chroot | 13:52 |
| chem|st | do not backup openfiles is more the key | 13:52 |
| robbiethe1st | But then you don't have /everything/ | 13:52 |
| chem|st | for a good backup you have to stop all userinterfaces | 13:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. See BM. | 13:52 |
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| chem|st | I know you did a good job with BM but for me it is just another tool I don't need | 13:53 |
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| robbiethe1st | Eh, one of these days, you'll likely need it. Fortunately, you may be able to make your rsync backups compatible if needed | 13:54 |
| chem|st | as there is no other PR coming I think it is just my restore script | 13:54 |
| chem|st | plus backup restore | 13:55 |
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| robbiethe1st | I just hope it works. | 13:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: show me the SD slot | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: s/mmcblk0/mmcblk1/ | 14:02 |
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| robbiethe1st | Flash + HWAccel + Nvidia drivers = unstable | 14:09 |
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| joejoe | hi, the image-writter from https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook is not available the link points to http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/moblin-image-creator/plain/image-writer which responds with "502 Bad Gateway" | 18:07 |
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| Sazpaimon | anyone try the latest firefox build for maemo? | 18:22 |
| Sazpaimon | I think they're on 8.0 and also have a qt port of 7 | 18:22 |
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| Sazpaimon | actually, this qt port isnt that bad | 18:39 |
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| Sazpaimon | still get some checkerboarding, but its faster than gtk fennec | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe I'll try co to compile a more recent version qith qt | 18:40 |
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| Sazpaimon | *wuth | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | sd'flks'd | 18:40 |
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| repr | Hi | 19:30 |
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| * timeless wonders how much coverage http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/09/nokia-to-layoff-3500-employees.html has gotten | 19:30 | |
| repr | I'm looking for the fm-carkit source code, but https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6846&group_id=2006&atid=6902 points out the same issue as mine; | 19:31 |
| repr | do you know where I'd find it? | 19:31 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a way to copy the contents of a drop down box on a site? | 19:49 |
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| timeless | MohammadAG: in js? | 20:02 |
| timeless | you can use view-source, view-selection-source (Firefox), or some magic javascript: | 20:02 |
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| timeless | if you have a desktop browser, using DOM Inspector or an equivalent lets you copy the <select> as xhtml and then you can do whatever w/ it | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | timeless, what's view selection source? | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | I'm using firefox | 20:03 |
| timeless | in Firefox, make a selection around the <select> and right click | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | it's a drop down box | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | right clicking it does nothing | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | (this http://mslworld.egged.co.il/EggedTimeTable/WebForms/wfrmMain.aspx?width=1024&language=en&company=1&state= ) | 20:04 |
| timeless | worksforme | 20:04 |
| timeless | you make a selection of text before and after the select | 20:05 |
| timeless | and right click the selection | 20:05 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | timeless, thanks! | 20:06 |
| thopiekar | can someone help me getting this fixed? http://pastebin.com/vpF9ZngT trying to get Hildon-Desktop build on Ubuntu Oneiric.. | 20:06 |
| thopiekar | took smoku's source and applied his patches.. | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | timeless, another thing, the first text box has auto completion, is there a way to access the list it autocompletes from? | 20:07 |
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| OkropNick | Sometimes all my calendar reminds are stopping working (no popup, no sound). The only way to make them working again is to restart N900. Does anyone knows other way? Maybe some daemon restart or something? | 20:12 |
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| timeless | i'm sure there is :) | 20:16 |
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| timeless | ask sp3000 | 20:16 |
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| OkropNick | what is uset for launching calendar reminds? Alarmd? | 20:32 |
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| OkropNick | *used | 20:32 |
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| thopiekar | here is the term-log again using pbuilder: http://pastebin.com/VsWG4MDX | 20:45 |
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| Kowalczyk | hi. I have a question. what widget is that media player? http://i46.tinypic.com/15qckrm.png I added media player widget on mine but I dont get those "levels" stuff on the right.. how do I get that? I've seen a lot of SS with that kind of media player. but doesnt have it | 21:19 |
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| C-S-B | Anywhere selling spare N900 screws in the UK? | 21:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Farnell, but only generally small screws | 21:58 |
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| C-S-B | Who or what is Farnell? | 22:01 |
| C-S-B | As I only need the ones that fix the screen. | 22:01 |
| C-S-B | the longer ones are fine. | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | uk.farnell.com | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | A general electronics supplier | 22:02 |
| C-S-B | and they will sell in small quantity? | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | No | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably you'd need to buy 100 | 22:02 |
| C-S-B | fair enough. :) | 22:03 |
| C-S-B | thank you. Now to get the part size. | 22:03 |
| C-S-B | M1.4x2.8 <- these are the six that fix the sliding assembly to the screen arent they? | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Unsure, I've never dissasembled it | 22:04 |
| C-S-B | Seems obvious, but what should I search for, 'screw' seems to provide nothing. | 22:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | I They don't seem to do that size | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://uk.farnell.com/machine | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://uk.farnell.com/duratool/7179522/screw-socket-microcap-m1-6x4/dp/7179522 | 22:11 |
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| C-S-B | Damn it. :( just on livechat with them | 22:16 |
| C-S-B | looks like they dont have them. | 22:17 |
| C-S-B | Must be able to get them somewhere.... | 22:17 |
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| abufaisal | Hi all, I plan to flash my N900 with 8G flasher. And I want to backup the application using backupmenu before I do that. Can I restore the application on the 8G version??? | 22:21 |
| Kowalczyk | hi. I have a question. what widget is that media player? http://i46.tinypic.com/15qckrm.png I added media player widget on mine but I dont get those "levels" stuff on the right.. how do I get that? I've seen a lot of SS with that kind of media player. but doesnt have it | 22:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | never heard of 8G flasher | 22:30 |
| psycho_oreos | that's not levels Kowalczyk, that's a fake equaliser thing. It is only available on PR1.2 with standard mediaplayer and it only moves when you're actively playing a music | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER | 22:32 |
| abufaisal | I mean 8GB as installable space. It is costumed image. Sorry for confusing info. | 22:33 |
| psycho_oreos | 8GB installable space on rootfs? on /home|/opt or? in most cases its probably not possible | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, 1.1 | 22:34 |
| abufaisal | I think it is on /opt partition | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | I miss tunewiki | 22:35 |
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| MohammadAG | the one on android/symbian/iOS is meh | 22:35 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, interesting I thought they also had it in PR1.2 but that vanished in PR1.3 | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER | 22:35 |
| psycho_oreos | abufaisal, you don't sound like you know what this `8GB flasher is' I'd suggest you to avoid it to prevent headaches later down the road and stick with the standard way of flashing | 22:36 |
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| abufaisal | thanks psycho_oreos | 22:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Worst case, if it doesn't owrk, you can flash back to normal | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, sorry, 1.1.1 | 22:42 |
| * MohammadAG wonders how to process a line like this <option value="2903|">West Karmel</option> | 22:42 | |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I'm still surprised that PR1.2 doesn't have it.. I guess I should probably try that theory out on one of my devices | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER | 22:53 |
| repr | export USER=DocScrutinizer | 22:54 |
| * repr hehe | 22:54 | |
| psycho_oreos | hmm | 22:54 |
| psycho_oreos | interesting to see that script in place, /kick $USER I'm guessing its targeting me :p | 22:57 |
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| Kowalczyk | psycho_oreos: ok. so not possible to achieve now? ok thank you :) | 23:06 |
| psycho_oreos | Kowalczyk, it probably is still somewhat possible if you're willing to install that older widget I guess | 23:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm thinking it was removed probably because of battery drain | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, my N950 was shipped, it's in Leipzeg :D | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the replacement? | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yeah | 23:24 |
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| Corsac | MohammadAG: that's unfair, there's a lot of people wanting an n950 and you had 2! | 23:37 |
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| Macer | send me an n950 :-P | 23:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd actually really like broken ones. | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | To play with | 23:44 |
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| MohammadAG | mine's wit Nokia | 23:52 |
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