IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-10-03

Estel_Sicelo,  this is how bq27200 is supposed to work, Still, what You should do to measure depends on what You're trying to achieve. Momentary power consumption - bq or some i2c pooling. Average consumption - bq without 5, as shadowjk said, wait some hours, re-check, divide.00:00
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x29ayou got to be kidding, servers down?02:30
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x29aseems back02:35
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balrog-k1nis there an wasy way to tell maemo that i'm offline and don't want to/can't get online?05:03
balrog-k1nfor soem reason if you've got maemo-mapper and the camera app on at the same time, it pops up the connection dialog after every photo taken, really annoying05:03
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SpeedEviluntick assisted gps?05:19
SpeedEvilsettings -> location or something05:20
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Sazpaimon_hey guys05:23
Sazpaimon_I'm trying to build a specific toolchain using crosstool-ng, and when it tries to build the shared eglibc, I get this during linking:
Sazpaimon_I'm building it using scratchbox, using the eglibc source package supplied by maemo05:24
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zerocool999anybody help me with a queenbeecon issue13:07
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Sicelonot unless they know the issue :)13:08
merlin1991or was it question? Too many channels with different bots :)13:08
zerocool999trying to run ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L13:09
zerocool999using queenbeecon i need it to open xterminal as root but it just opens then closes13:09
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.13:11
* Sicelo is here against his will :p13:11
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zerocool999my issue better explained .. many thanks13:19
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zerocool999my issue better explained .. many thanks13:46
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SpeedEvilDoes it need to be root13:51
SpeedEvilIn more detail.13:51
SpeedEvilfind out where /etc/sudoers is populated13:51
SpeedEvilIt's in /etc/ somewhere - look for a directory called something like sudo13:52
SpeedEvilthis has lots of files, which add lines to /etc/sudoers - the format is obvious13:52
SpeedEvilAdd one listing the program you want to run13:52
SpeedEvilNow, in queen beecon do sudo commandname13:52
SpeedEvilAnd you're done13:53
SpeedEvil(you'll need to reboot first, or populate /etc/sudoers poperly)13:53
NIN101or couldn't he simply use: echo "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" | root ?13:53
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deimosor "su -c <command>"13:54
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NIN101this requires a password to be entered.13:54
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SpeedEvilthe sudoers route doesn't13:56
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zerocool999try your suggestions now speedevil back in min13:57
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CableTwitchHey Speed.13:59
DocScrutinizerplus run update-sudoers (instead of boot)13:59
CableTwitchAh, Doc is awake too :O)14:00
DocScrutinizeryeah, moo14:03
DocScrutinizernot yet awake14:03
SpeedEvilyeah - that14:03
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CableTwitchIt's 12:05pm... How are you not awake?14:05
SpeedEvilI am also not awake, and it's only 12:06 here.14:06
SpeedEvilAre you from the future?14:06
zerocool999well speed that command never it doesnt open terminal14:07
zerocool999many thanks thou , hummm what next14:07
CableTwitchI am. Which is why I keep breaking my N900. It's getting older, faster :O)14:07
CableTwitchSomething to do with neutrinos, the details escape me.14:07
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SpeedEvilzerocool999: Oh - it won't open a terminal14:09
* CableTwitch puts the network cable back in14:09
SpeedEvilThat just lets the command run14:09
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SpeedEvilIf you want it to open a terminal, you have to call the terminal, and get it to execute teh command - which I don't know how to do14:09
SpeedEvilthat works only for things without UI14:09
SpeedEvilI use it to dim the screen to its lowest level, and to mount filesystems14:10
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DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: I never sleep, but most of my storage needed a fsck.nnw - so I had to reboot and not all services are up yet14:10
CableTwitchI was with you up to the word 'sleep'.14:10
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zerocool999it doesnt have a UI it runs throu xterminal ..14:12
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zerocool999my issue better explained .. many thanks14:12
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merlin1991zerocool999: try to run osso-xterm -e "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" instead14:13
zerocool999thats the command i used first , it just opens the closes14:14
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DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: a pun, as many users here think I'm a script (or skynet)14:14
CableTwitchYou never seem to be absent, tis true.14:14
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DocScrutinizerexcept when needing a fsck.nnw, but that's rare14:14
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DocScrutinizernevertheless takes a while nwfs is hard to check14:15
CableTwitchDoc, you could post any random 3-5 letters, and I'd assume it was something to do with linux.14:16
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CableTwitch"The fgrtf process needed uugrt run on it, so I took the opportinity to lkkr and gblm at the same time"14:17
DocScrutinizerand no, that's not novel netware :-P14:17
merlin1991zerocool999: taken from /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-xterm.launch  -e "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L"14:18
merlin1991at least with a tail it worked14:18
zerocool999@merlin just opens an closes , when using queenbeecon14:19
DocScrutinizermore along neuronal network fuzzy slices, or simply neuronal network file system (though it's not really a fs)14:19
CableTwitchShit, you're a LISP program? ;O)14:19
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DocScrutinizerdng how did you find out?14:20
CableTwitchWell, it was either that or Eliza, but you haven't asked me to tell you my thoughts, so it was an easy answer.14:21
DocScrutinizergood ol'Eliza, occasionally chatting with her when I'm bored14:22
CableTwitchI'm hoping she's much improved from the Paris Hilton sim I recall from my Amiga days.14:23
zerocool999queen beecon my issue better explained .. many thanks14:23
CableTwitchAbout 10 responses, that's yer lot.14:23
sat2050guys i need some help14:24
sat2050my microb keeps refreshing after a full load14:24
DocScrutinizerthe funny thing about Eliza: she also seems to work in a somehow distributed way, I meet her in quite a number of places. But yeah, she's as boring as she been from beginning14:25
CableTwitchMine is just useless.14:25
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CableTwitchI'm surprised no-one has ported an Eliza clone to the 90014:26
DocScrutinizersat2050: you're sure that's not the webpages you visist that are causing that?14:26
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DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: meet here next website:
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CableTwitchDoc, I'm going to guess you're German, yes? XD14:29
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DocScrutinizerbut one of my favourite locale settings is indeed de_DE14:32
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DocScrutinizermostly because is better than en.wikipedia.com14:33
DocScrutinizerit just happens my avatar also frequently is located there14:36
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zerocool999is that all cabletwitch, this is doing my nut in i need more haha14:44
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DocScrutinizerzerocool999: why would you use queenbeecon for that?14:48
zerocool999@doc why not use , i just want to create shortcut to open metasploit14:49
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DocScrutinizerto start an app in xterm, see /usr/share/applications/hildon/mc.desktop14:50
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DocScrutinizerExec=osso-xterm -e mc14:50
DocScrutinizerfor you that's probably Exec=osso-xterm -e "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L"14:51
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zerocool999i have tryed that , nothing happens14:52
zerocool999cheers thou , its a nightmare14:52
DocScrutinizeraah, the sudo part14:53
DocScrutinizerfor you that's probably Exec=osso-xterm -e "sudo ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L"14:53
DocScrutinizermaybe even14:53
DocScrutinizerfor you that's probably Exec=osso-xterm -e "sudo ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L"14:53
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DocScrutinizerof course it's wise to first test the "sudo ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" part in a "normal" xterm14:55
hakkattakkdo you guys think OpenMobile ACL will work with Maemo? It would be awesome if it where posible to get Android-apps running on Maemo.14:55
DocScrutinizerto find out about any error msgs14:55
DocScrutinizerhakkattakk: never heard of it (implies nobody else talked about it here, while I listened)14:56
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CableTwitchZerocool: I'll try more in a bit, moving trains currently....14:56
hakkattakkit´s like Alien Dalvik14:57
DocScrutinizerthought as much14:57
zerocool999thanks @cable and @doc nothing at all xterminal doesnt even open14:58
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DocScrutinizernote that a lot of the more gifted devels are addicted to that dead end project - for unknown reasons. What's been the name...? dang, anyway it was with aegis and crap...14:59
DocScrutinizerzerocool999: xterm has the annoying "feature" to avoid multiple instances15:00
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DocScrutinizeriirc not even mc starts when there's already a xterm screen open15:01
Siceloirssi does15:01
DocScrutinizerooh it does15:02
DocScrutinizerso check the mc.desktop file more closely15:02
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DocScrutinizerif the command to start your app runs in a plain xterm window (as suggested above) then I don't see why it can't run from a properly edited myapp.desktop icon15:03
DocScrutinizer for your convenience15:05
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DocScrutinizeryou first might use the original "Exec=osso-xterm -e mc" line and see if that summons midnight commander for you (given you got a mc installed)15:07
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DocScrutinizerif that works, you next test a small edit, like Exec=osso-xterm -e "mc"15:07
DocScrutinizerthen Exec=osso-xterm -e "mc --help"15:08
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zerocool999haha i got osso-xterm -e "sudo ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" .... i missed sudo out thanks doc for youe help15:09
DocScrutinizerthen Exec=osso-xterm -e "sh -c 'echo fooo; sleep 10'"15:09
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* DocScrutinizer frowns at anonymous edits on w.m.o15:17
DocScrutinizerwhat the heck is wrong with requiring registration to allow edits?15:17
ruskieDocScrutinizer, no clue15:18
ruskiesame for bug trackers etc...15:18
ruskieI don't get it why some allow anonymous posting15:19
ruskiethe only info I ever got from such people was: oww it's so that users don't need to register... makes it easier for them15:19
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DocScrutinizer  :-(15:24
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DocScrutinizermore like
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DocScrutinizerok, earns me wiki edit points for my karma (urgently need another 2 points :-P) - nevertheless it's annoying15:27
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* DocScrutinizer realizes that it's not a virtual Sunday in other parts of the world15:28
* DocScrutinizer wonders what's mwkn all about today...15:29
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DocScrutinizererrrr, nuttin?15:30
DocScrutinizerGAN900: ?? no mwkn?15:30
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* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... zip 81435... Telluride San Miguel CO15:33
DocScrutinizerI'll eventually nuke thoe 70,000 ZIP factoids :-S15:33
DocScrutinizer~listkeys zip15:34
infobotFactoid search of 'zip ' by key (20 of 42379): says i got gzip but there ;; zip 10931 ;; zip 12950 ;; zip 14145 ;; zip 20398 ;; zip 26633 ;; zip 28358 ;; zip 32648 ;; zip 3268 ;; zip 33302 ;; zip 34224 ;; zip 46168 ;; zip 47551 ;; zip 48725 ;; zip 48912 ;; zip 52229 ;; zip 52557 ;; zip 55121 ;; zip 56063 ;; zip 59419.15:34
DocScrutinizerooh only 42,00015:34
DocScrutinizer~factinfo zip 3330215:35
infobotzip 33302 -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008.15:35
infobotHey docscrutinizer, zip 68879 is Taylor Loup NE15:36
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infobotHey docscrutinizer, zip 50323 is Urbandale Polk IA15:36
* infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds jargon purple book... n. The `System V Interface Definition'. The covers of the first editions were an amazingly nauseating shade of off-lavender. See also {{book titles}}.15:36
* DocScrutinizer makes mental note to pester TimRiker about ZIP15:36
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javeI'm having trouble with my dear n900 lately. it has aquired gourmet tastes regarding charging16:56
javeonly a few charging options work16:57
hiemanshuthats the USB starting to wear off16:57
javeis it possible to affect the charging options through software?16:57
javeyou mean the connector?16:58
javeit doesnt seem to be affected by the particular cable I use, rather the particular charging device16:58
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SpeedEviljave: What do you mean?17:03
DocScrutinizero/ crashanddie17:03
crashanddiehey DocScrutinizer17:04
DocScrutinizerjave: what are "charging options"?17:04
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DocScrutinizermoo SpeedEvil17:05
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crashanddieOwner: "Hey N900, would you like to be charged?" N900: "What do you offer, you slimy weasel?" Owner: "I have 5V DC, 9V DC or 12V DC" N900: "Seriously? That's your menu? Your choice? Do you understand that I run one of the most advanced operating systems in the mobile industry? Do you honestly believe your food worthy of a 7/11-branded payphone fulfils my needs?"17:06
javeSpeedEvil: for instance. I have 2 microusb dumb chargers. 1 nokia, 1 ///. the /// one works, not the nokia. I have 1 usb car charger. I can charge everything except the n900 with it.17:07
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jave/// = ericsson17:08
crashanddieYou have an adidas phone charger?17:08
DocScrutinizerthe usb charger will not work with N900 due to missing D+/- short17:08
javecrashanddie: thats exactly how my n900 behaves! like a spoiled brat17:08
DocScrutinizerwhen the genuine Nokia charger doesn't work, that's most likely a broken charger then (got one here as well)17:09
* MohammadAG curses Israeli shipping services17:09
DocScrutinizermoo moh17:10
javeDocScrutinizer: oh, I see. is it possible to remove the chock in SW? or is it hardwired?17:10
DocScrutinizerhardwired mostly17:10
javeokay. so I need to solder.17:10
DocScrutinizerthat's what I did to my noname USB chargers17:10
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MohammadAGDeparted Facility in TEL AVIV - ISRAEL17:10
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: spare 950?17:11
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javeDocScrutinizer: I thought the dumb chargers had the short.17:11
crashanddie"Departed facility"??17:11
DocScrutinizermost don't17:11
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crashanddieThat sounds like a morgue!17:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no, my N95017:11
crashanddiemoo MohammadAG17:12
crashanddiehow's it going?17:12
MohammadAGit's going back17:12
MohammadAGmoo crashanddie17:12
DocScrutinizerthis short dialog was kinda funny17:12
javeItake it the n950 is as elusive as ever17:12
MohammadAGlag might've made my answer stupid17:12
MohammadAGcrashanddie, having trouble serializing / sending /deserializing stuff17:13
DocScrutinizerwe are smart, we rearranged the packages according to their pkg seq number ;-D17:13
MohammadAGthat's pretty much it :P17:13
crashanddieMohammadAG, language?17:13
MohammadAGI need to serialize a QMap, send it over a QBluetoothSocket, then deserialize it on the receiver17:14
crashanddieWhy the QBluetoothSocket?17:14
MohammadAGremember that bluetooth messenger thing we discussed?17:15
MohammadAGI had it implemented with simple QStrings at first17:15
MohammadAGbut then that got nasty17:15
MohammadAGso I started a dictionary (QMap)  implementation17:15
MohammadAGthe map holds the message type, the sender name, the message itself, and an optional avatar17:15
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crashanddieAnd you write the map over the wire directly?17:16
MohammadAGno, I serialize it to a QByteArray first17:16
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* DocScrutinizer feels like CS became black magic since he had a look last time17:17
crashanddieand, what do you get on the other side?17:17
MohammadAGa null QMap17:18
MohammadAGwell, and a null QByteArray17:18
MohammadAGthe sending part seems fine, but the reading is the one I'm not sure about17:18
crashanddiego back to basics17:18
crashanddiesend an int, read an int17:18
crashanddiethis being said17:19
crashanddieusing a QMap is probably one of the worst ways to encode your message17:19
MohammadAGwhat's a better way?17:19
MohammadAGI wanted a QObject, but those can't be serialized17:20
crashanddieWell, the best way is to have an IDL, that allows you to automatically generate your classes17:20
MohammadAG <-- reading part17:20
crashanddieInterface Description Language17:20
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crashanddieBasically, if I were you, I'd look into Google Data Protocol17:21
crashanddieIt might be overkill seeing the size of this project17:21
MohammadAGit is :P17:21
* DocScrutinizer is used to defining a protocol and sending "plain text" then17:21
crashanddiebut those are really the kind of tools you want to look at if you're to start doing serious network-level applications17:21
crashanddieplus, GDP encoder/parser will run circles around Qt's serialisation17:22
inzMohammadAG, the canReadLine() and readLine() seem wrong17:22
MohammadAGinz, yeah, that's what I'm thinking17:22
MohammadAGbut I'm not sure what else to use17:22
crashanddieMohammadAG, is your socket in listeningstate?17:23
inzI'm not entirely sure, but maybe you could have a persistent QDataStream for the socket and just read with >> from it.17:24
crashanddieor connected?17:24
MohammadAGuh, I'm lost17:24
MohammadAGthe slot17:24
MohammadAG's called on readyRead()17:24
crashanddieMohammadAG, also, you might want to look at socketDescriptor()17:25
crashanddieand simply grab a BSD socket descriptor, and use that for subsequent transactions17:25
crashanddieAnd also, you did create your socket and do all the connectToServer() stuff with a read/write status, yes?17:26
infobotcrashanddie meant: And also, you did create your socket and do all the connectToServer() stuff with a read/write state, yes?17:26
infobotcrashanddie meant: And also, you did create your socket and do all the connectToService() stuff with a read/write status, yes?17:27
MohammadAGcrashanddie, yeah yeah, it's all getting sent17:27
MohammadAGbut I think I'm messing up the reading part17:27
crashanddiesent, yes17:27
MohammadAGand received17:27
MohammadAGbut I think readLine() would read one line, not all the QByteArray17:27
MohammadAGreadAll() would work better, but I'm not sure when I can know all the data was sent17:28
crashanddieso you're not serialising :)17:28
DocScrutinizeryes, that's what readline usually does17:28
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DocScrutinizerand for the "all sent" part you will need some ETX signalling done explicitly on sender side I'd guess17:29
DocScrutinizerreceiver can't know from thin air when a chunk of transmission is complete, unless you tear down the connection17:30
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DocScrutinizeron a sidenote: your if .. else if .. else if; is missing an else catchall. I'd rather use a case17:32
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's not an enum17:33
DocScrutinizerare cases only valid for enum?17:34
MohammadAGthink so17:34
MohammadAGor ints17:34
MohammadAGbut not QStrings17:34
DocScrutinizeraaah QStrings, yeah prolly not17:34
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DocScrutinizeradd else {printf("wtf, how did I get here?"); return 10}17:36
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DocScrutinizerand I'd think you need to read in array[i] per line, until your sender sends "ETX"17:37
DocScrutinizera few debug printf for plain readline content would help a lot17:38
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, when your channel QBluetoothSocket is a mere ascii/binary channel, then why not send a printf("%s\n%s\n%s\n", messageType, message, sender) and read exactly same back on rx side17:48
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DocScrutinizerif messageType doesn't match one of the 3 allowed constants, your RX will exit the loop and reastart waiting for a valid messageType to be sent17:51
DocScrutinizerif messageType_is_valid then {read_message; read_sender}17:52
DocScrutinizerit's basically not a good idea to try and transfer Objects via a channel17:54
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cityLights~seen DocScrutinizer18:39
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infobotdocscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (12h 16m 31s) #harmattan (12h 16m 31s) #meego (12h 16m 31s) #openmoko (12h 16m 31s) #infobot (12h 16m 31s) #openmoko-cdevel (12h 16m 31s). Has said a total of 139 messages. Is idling for 45m 44s, last said: 'it's basically not a good idea to try and transfer Objects via a channel'.18:40
cityLightshi there18:40
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cityLightsok, can you point ,me pls to where to read about why intel is not supporting meego anymore18:40
cityLightsand what caused this18:40
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cityLightsI saw too many reports that dont answer these basic questions18:42
cityLightswill gstreamer, pulse audio, evolution,qt survive?18:43
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slonopotamussure, they don't care about meego18:43
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DocScrutinizersorry, no idea about all that18:49
cityLightssome ppl wrtie clear to read code18:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: <-draft of a simpler version to send your data thru the channel18:51
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so how does the receiver identify what it's receiving?18:53
DocScrutinizercityLights: the common notion about the whole tizen thing is it's a kick-in-the-balls for Nokia, regarding N9 just started shipping with "meego" and one day later meego is declared dead. At least for timing18:53
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the RX is waiting for a line that has any of the valid constants for messageType18:53
cityLightsN9 doesnt appear in amazon/buy.com18:53
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, receiver is receiving from 7+ devices18:54
DocScrutinizerbut if you want to go for a more evaluated scheme, you want to wrap *all* messages with sth like "STX"<your-message><your-msg-line2>[..]"ETX"18:55
MohammadAGthat means there's a crapload of race conditions18:55
MohammadAGplus I can't send an avatar that way18:55
DocScrutinizerall those concerns apply to your original concept as well, sure you need to take care about that - I have no idea what's the larger image of this small code snippet18:56
* slonopotamus wonders where the hell is his n800's wlan018:57
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sounds like you'll need some TCP-lite protocol stack then18:58
MohammadAGthis is Rfcomm18:58
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DocScrutinizerwhatever it is, if you have multiple TX peers on that channel, you need to implement a protocol layer that encapsulates one msg pkg, and also tags it with source and possibly destination (unless all traffic is broadcast), and you'll want to add some CRC or other checksum, and possibly a ACK/NAK and retry management scheme, in case collisions crippled the transferred pkg19:01
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DocScrutinizerbasically you also should take care your payload never forms a valid msg pkg (incl header/trailer), so RX clients that got outa sync not erroneously sync on the payload part and take that as a full frame19:04
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DocScrutinizerall this won't magically disappear by tying to "send QObjects through the channel"19:06
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DocScrutinizereither your channel stack already has a layer that implements all this, or you need to take care about it "by hand"19:07
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kwtmWhen I hold down a key on my N900, after a delay it erases the letter that was typed and replaces it with the symbol for that key as if I had pressed the Alt key.  Is there any way I can shorten the delay to make the symbol show up faster?19:43
kwtm~seen kwtm19:44
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x29apoor thing still beeing in opensimpad.org20:05
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eichihello. is there a working time tracker with calendar history and categories?20:46
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johnsu01what do people usually do for changelogs in ported debian packages, when updating to a new debian version?20:58
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johnsu01up till now i've been keeping the maemo changes in the same changelog20:58
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johnsu01but now I'm wondering if I want to paste in the new debian changelog entries, or move to using a separate file, like changelog.maemo20:59
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zero_coolhello peeps , quick question how do i stop apt-get ugrade not installing nmap beta ...21:03
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fainajohnsu01: ubuntu tends to include "ubuntu" in the changelog version number, and treats debian as upstream.21:09
johnsu01faina: yeah, I've got maemo in the version number21:10
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fainaI think I see them just doing things like "newversion-0ubuntu1" as the version and then saying new debian release in the comment21:11
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Sc0rpius <-- amazing21:45
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Pauly2if proximity sensor is bad on one n900, can i switch it from another n900?22:56
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Pauly2i know the screen and digitizer but not sure about proximity sensor?22:57
kwtmJust trying again to see if anyone knows: When I hold down a key on my N900, after a delay it erases the letter that was typed and replaces it with the symbol for that key as if I had pressed the Alt key.  Is there any way I can shorten the delay to make the symbol show up faster?22:59
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Sicelosome gconf maybe :/23:01
* Sicelo kicks infobot 23:02
Siceloah :)23:02
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zogg_so cool23:20
zogg_now nokia has rolling OS's strategy23:21
zogg_every half year new OS23:21
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Corsaczogg_: new announcement you mean?23:28
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mr_jrtLooks like despite Meego's situation, we're not going to be getting the Mer project back as an option for continuing Maemo :( They seem quite keen on continuing Meego's archetectural decisons. More Meego Reconstructed than Maemo Reconstructed now...23:34
rm_work?? what's this?23:35
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NIN101with all this OS clutter I'm thinking of simply putting Debian on the N900, and forget all about Maemo/Meego etc. and using a dumbphone I have lying around here for call support until it'll work properly on Debian. Since I barely use the phone functions this could probably indeed be an option for me and others assuming one is willing to tinker a "bit". :-)23:43
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mr_jrtThe way I see it, modern smartphones ARE computers, just with very limited power sources.23:44
SiceloNIN101: \0/23:45
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mr_jrtSo a releationship with Debian is as simple as fixing the silly repo layout changes Nokia came up with and then forging a relationship with Debian similar to the one Ubuntu has, down to being integrated into Debian's package management system for tracking upstream/downstream changes.23:47
mr_jrtIt's easy enough techically...the hard bit is, as ever, the human resource aspect.23:48
mr_jrtIt's a dramatic simplification of the situation...but we're talking rough principles here ;)23:49
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fainawhy not start with the currently extant maemo and then update from debian?23:49
faina(a lot like how ubuntu works these days)23:50
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NIN101Because at least I don't want to deal with the maemo stuff on debian, I want newer libs for example, and the closed programs depend on ancient library versions. I want newer kernel versions etc.23:52
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mr_jrtI'd suggest because we'll need to manage the repos...and having them as close to upstream (Debian) makes the transitions easier. I've never been that clear why Nokia arranged things as they did...some changes have seemed somewhat gratuitous in places.23:53
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mr_jrtDebian's layout has served it well over the last 18 years, and it's got built-in support for so many archs.23:55
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fainaI'm not sure how different the maemo repository is when compared to debian? Other than they seem to have broken things into more repository tiers (e.g. extras extras-testing extra-devel)23:57
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mr_jrtstable, testing, unstable (why rename them?)23:59

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