IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-10-02

jacekowskiguylhem: what?00:00
jacekowskiguylhem: i bought 2TB for less00:00
* guylhem is crying00:00
guylhemeverything is very expensive in .mq00:00
jacekowski80euro for 2TB wd00:00
guylhemand I'm going on vacation soon, with plans to purchase various stuff :-) well no HD this time00:01
guylhempsycho_oreos: yes 1Tb00:01
psycho_oreosguylhem, had me confused with seeing something similar as a boot reason on N900 :p00:02
psycho_oreossomething like 1_wd_to00:02
jacekowskinot 1Tb00:02
guylhemthe hd is for the other device I trashed with my rm -fr00:02
guylhemto save some files before reinstalling00:03
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Maceri wish 3TB would come down a bit more00:03
psycho_oreoswell more technically it is 1TB but it was a knee-jerk reaction that I just used Tb instead of the correct terminology TB00:03
Macerlike 100/drive :)00:03
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jacekowskii have to expand my nas00:04
jacekowskiand i've used up all my space00:04
Maceri was going to eliminate my fileserver and use a synology00:04
Macerand fill it up with 4x3TB drives00:04
Macerraid 500:04
Macerso 9 usable... about 8 formatted00:04
jacekowskii have synology00:06
Sazpaimon_my gps doesnt seem to be getting a signal00:07
Sazpaimon_anyone ever experience this00:07
Sazpaimon_Im outside right now and have agps turned on00:07
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Sazpaimon_my data is working, I'm using it right now00:08
Sazpaimon_but the gps icon just keeps blinking00:08
guylhemgreat place but expansive for gizmos00:11
ShadowJKSazpaimon_, "location-test-ui" from SDK Tools repo, or "gpsjinni" from extras :-)00:11
ShadowJKlocation-test-ui is great, you can ask it to do AGNSS and it'll only do (A)GPS and no network location00:12
ShadowJK(sometimes though, just closing all gps apps and starting them again seems to work)00:12
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Sazpaimon_ShadowJK Im using google maps, should I try to killall browserd?00:14
Sazpaimon_Ill get gpsjinni then00:15
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Macerjacekowski: have you tried the mail server?00:18
Macerit seems to have quite a few servers built in.. i wouldn't mind taking advantage of them all00:18
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Macerbut 128MB of ram sounds like it would crush that thing00:18
ShadowJKcrush what..00:19
Sazpaimon_alright it finally got a signal on its own00:24
Sazpaimon_wonder why it took so long00:24
guylhemthe hell if I know what happened??!!%% I just put the 900 in R&D mode and now it boots again!!00:28
guylhemI wanted to take tarballs before doing anything weird.00:29
hatake_kakashiSazpaimon_, have you tried changing the SUPL server to google instead of nokia? and also by any chance do you have the latest CSSU installed?00:29
guylhemstill got "internal error" when trying to open the phone but it's a good step forward00:30
hatake_kakashiguylhem, you might want to have a look at BackupMenu by robbiethe1st00:30
ShadowJKoh yeah, t-mobile blocks nokia agps or something00:30
Sazpaimon_google has an agps server?00:30
Sazpaimon_and yeah im on tmobile00:30
guylhemhatake_kakashi: was installed. in fact I did suspect it was the problem00:30
hatake_kakashiSazpaimon_, yeah,
Sazpaimon_why does tmobile block their supl server00:31
hatake_kakashiguylhem, weird00:31
infobothatake_kakashi meant: s/.com/.com00:31
ShadowJKlet's say "interferes" instead of "blocks"00:31
hatake_kakashiffs *facepalms for self*00:31 *thanks ShadowJK*00:31
Sazpaimon_also, i just noticed00:31
DocScrutinizersame here, no t-mobile00:31
Sazpaimon_microb now directs me to the web2go website on dns errors00:32
Sazpaimon_like, when i want to google search from the address bar00:32
Sazpaimon_but my resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten00:33
hatake_kakashido you have openvpn installed?00:33
hatake_kakashithat could be the culprit00:34
Sazpaimon_i havent paid for my vyprvpn though00:34
Sazpaimon_so my account is suspended until I do00:34
Sazpaimon_i havent used the applet in months though00:35
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DocScrutinizerso I blame Nokia's supl server infra just fsckdup00:35
guylhemok got another symptom : when screen turns off, the led at the left and right of the keyboard are brighter then the left led start blinking00:35
jacekowskiMacer: no00:35
ShadowJKguylhem, it's supposed to do that in RD mode00:35
guylhemah ok00:35
DocScrutinizerit's partially broken for N8x0, it's not working for N950, and it seems it's also flawed for N90000:36
jacekowskiMacer: if you want it for anything more than storage - don't buy it00:36
guylhemthat's my 1st week with a n90000:36
ShadowJKnormally nobody uses RD mode00:36
Sazpaimon_Doc, tmobile?00:36
guylhemwell RD mode seems to have resolved the reboot loop - hell if I know why00:36
jacekowskiMacer: it's one of the best storage devices i've seen so far, but all additional features are not really working as expected00:36
ShadowJKtmobile is known to intercept http traffic though :/00:36
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: no t-mobile, I said this above00:36
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DocScrutinizeractually as long as I got a SIM (O2) in device, it works flawlessly as then it's using this gsm-agps thingie00:38
infoboti heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or
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DocScrutinizerat least on N90000:39
DocScrutinizero/ bbl00:39
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DocScrutinizererr ggt?04:14
DocScrutinizer~wtf ggt04:14
infobotGee...  I don't know what ggt means...04:14
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zeroproximity1what phones have people been able to hack to install maemo08:18
luke-jrzeroproximity1: not legal08:27
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Macerso.. with hp firing this fool they just hired...08:57
Macerare they bringing back their mobile division?08:57
Macermaybe the tp has a future?08:57
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woldrichI just wanted to share with you this wonderful piece of software:
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cityLightsany news on the N9 front?09:57
cityLightsI need help after upgrading the monav09:57
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timmythow to install maemo-pan? it needs a depedency which is not available in the testing stable repositories in free and non free sections10:20
woldrichis there something like msid that's not maemo specific?10:28
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Sazpaimon_is the maemo repo getting hammered or something10:40
Sazpaimon_apt is stuck on waiting for headers10:40
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jogahmm...since streaming video to vlc for example is possible with gst-launch, can it also add the microphone audio to the video stream?11:04
jogaI'd like a audio+video stream from the phone, wondering if I can get both at the same time11:04
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jogathis gives some hope...
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jogathe picture is very poor quality but here's what I'm building... a junk bot with n900 as its brain :) so that's why I'd prefer a simple audio+video stream from it so I can drive it places and talk to people with espeak, heh:
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SpeedEvilI've gotten mencoder to stream video11:15
SpeedEvilWit the right setup, audio should work too11:15
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joga(insides: )11:16
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jogaSpeedEvil, I'm sure it's possible...just need to find the right commands to use :)11:16
SpeedEvilmplayer of course has no hadware accel11:17
SpeedEvilIdeally you'd want to use the hardware accel11:17
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jogaI could live with maybe 320x240 resolution for video, as long as there's no big latency. I tried just the vlc video stream bit (with phonestream application) and it seemed to work alright, maybe 0.5-1.5 second lag11:18
jogaof course would be nice to have it much lower but it's not that critical right now, this is just for demonstration purposes ;)11:18
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jogaSpeedEvil, how did you do the stream with mencoder?11:23
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SpeedEvilIt was a long time ago11:23
jogahow does the receiver watch the video?11:23
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SpeedEvilFrome memory something quite simple like mencoder tv:// |netcat11:24
SpeedEviland mplayer on the other end of the pipe11:24
jogaheh, figured :)11:24
jogawell, I better look for some more info on how to combine audio and video...good to know that too11:25
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Sazpaimon_I have something that requires libxml++2.6 >= 2.6.3111:40
Sazpaimon_but maemo only supplies 2.6.2011:40
Sazpaimon_26 actualy11:41
robbiethe1stWell, either A, compile the new version and submit it to the repo(and or get the current maintainer to do it), or include the needed bits of that library with your package11:42
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Sazpaimon_I can try to backport a more recent libxml++ to the repo, sure11:43
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Sazpaimon_yeah I dont think that will work, there are too many gnome dependencies on it, that'll probably break things11:54
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cityLightskindle fire looks promissing11:59
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t7^time for my lil silly question12:04
t7^i was reading "kernel-bfs" package details12:04
t7^and it says "This package provides a flashable kernel image"12:04
t7^how does it differ from the normal stock kernel which we can also flash using the flasher tool from the pc12:05
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massoudHi there, my n900 got bricked during a "apt-get dist-upgrade" at "Removing hildon-initscripts..." when it decided to hard reboot13:00
massoudno when i hard boot, it loads the nokia splash screen and then hard shutdown13:01
massoudfirst time i got bricked after multiple dist-upgrade13:01
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was
SpeedEvilIn short - dist-upgrade is broken13:02
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hatake_kakashiyou gotta love those `help me find the key for my locked N900' people posting on that same thread qwerty12 started ages ago with self help and users whom have a brain back then. The posts these days coming out of that same old thread is showing evidently more brainless users13:05
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massoudhow can i fix my bricked-n900 now ? any maemo /nokia procedures to unbrick ?13:06
hatake_kakashiyeah reflash as SpeedEvil indicated just then13:06
massoudhatake_kakashi: any link to the flashing method indicated by hatake_kakashi ?13:07
hatake_kakashimassoud, read what infobot said?13:07
hatake_kakashievidently the first thing SpeedEvil said that moment was a bot trigger13:08
hatake_kakashimassoud, fyi I have uninvited PM blocked by default :)13:10
SpeedEvilIt's not a PM13:10
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hatake_kakashiSpeedEvil, you said you have rev 2101 N900 don't you?13:11
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SpeedEvilWell - I don't remember if I did, but I do13:11
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hatake_kakashijust wondering, if you connect your N900 (rev 2101) to the wall charger (and wall charger is obviously powered on), do you get notification banner of device saying it is charging and it is not charging when you wiggle the cable up and down?13:13
SpeedEvilMy USB port has fallen off, so no.13:14
hatake_kakashicrap :/ thanks13:14
SpeedEvilIf the USB port is functional, and the cable is functional, wiggling should have no impact.13:15
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hatake_kakashithe N900 I picked up today is showing signs of that and I've got a bad feeling that the microUSB port might fall out soon13:15
SpeedEvilCheck for debris in the connector with a bright light and a magnifying glass13:15
SpeedEvilDoes it do the same with the PC port?13:16
SpeedEvilDo you own a soldering iron?13:16
hatake_kakashiyeah that's what I suspect :| my two other N900 (rev 2204) doesn't show that, well one is getting old and I've seen it showing that a few times13:16
hatake_kakashiI haven't tried connecting to PC yet, I guess I should try that now, and no I don't have a proper soldering iron. I do have access to a soldering iron but its not useful for soldering fine components (its a flathead based soldering iron if that makes any sense).13:17
massoudSpeedEvil: what rev do you advice flashing for the debricking/flashing w/ your method ?13:18
SpeedEvilmassoud: rev?13:18
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hatake_kakashiPR1.3 :p13:18
SpeedEvil1.3, yes13:18
SpeedEvilhatake_kakashi: It's possible for the charger plug to be dodgy too13:19
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hatake_kakashiSpeedEvil, I almost had a positive signs of that but with a fully charged N900 to test against, it doesn't show any sign of charger plug to be faulty. There's another funny sign with this newly acquired N900 with it showing it was fully charged, once momentarily unplugged from the charger and plugged back in it says its charging, hmm13:22
SpeedEvilUnless you have the green light, it's not fully charged13:23
SpeedEvilIt takes at least a couple of hours on the wallcharger, or 4 or so on PC, to fully charge all teh way13:23
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hatake_kakashiI did have the green light :) but as soon as I put pressure on the cable near the microUSB head that's connected to the N900 the green light goes off and once pressure is released it says its charging on the screen13:24
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SpeedEvilWhat if you don't move the cable13:24
SpeedEvilJsut the USB connector13:24
SpeedEvilthe cable may also be faulty - try wiggling it while holding USB stable13:25
hatake_kakashino effect13:25
infobothmm... usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)13:26
robbiethe1stWhat kernel are you using, if I may ask?13:26
hatake_kakashistock maemo kernel13:26
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robbiethe1stOk, so likely not that.13:26
hatake_kakashithat's for the one that's having USB problems13:26
robbiethe1stTry wiping it and reinstalling; can't hurt. If that doesn't fix it, then see if you can't find someone who can re-solder it... /before/ it breaks13:27
hatake_kakashiI'm suspecting its a two part problem, one could be the microUSB port and the other could be with either high load or cheap battery in use (chinese clone)13:27
robbiethe1stCause it should be just a matter of tapping each of the pins with a hot iron and re-flowing the existing solder.13:27
robbiethe1stBattery /could/, I suppose, but I haven't seen it.13:28
SpeedEvilThe battery should not have any impact on wiggling the port13:28
robbiethe1stNo, not on that13:28
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hatake_kakashino not saying the battery is the issue (and I just checked the battery on the back of that N900, its genuine) with USB. It just seems that even for a brief second that the N900 was disconnected from the charger (when it wasn't to be honest) and then it was connected, it goes into charging state again, on the other two, they don't have this sort of problem13:30
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reprJust to be sure before I do it: to restore completely the N900 I do have to flash first the PR-1.3 image, and then the EMMC image; isn't it?13:31
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SpeedEvilSee the script at the bottom for more info13:32
robbiethe1strepr, you should only need to flash the PR-1.3 image. No need for the eMMC one13:32
robbiethe1st...And you should actually do the EMMC one /first/, just to prevent screw-ups(if you reboot the device after flashing pr-1.3 and before eMMC, it will break)13:33
robbiethe1st(and need you to flash the PR-1.3 image again)13:33
reprwell, I'd like to wipe everything  robbiethe1st13:33
hatake_kakashithanks SpeedEvil will try that momentarily, still testing to see if the wall charger plug is faulty (microUSB end)13:33
robbiethe1stIn that case, flash eMMC, then PR-1.313:33
reprok, so first EMMC, and then the rootfs13:34
reprthank you :)13:34
hatake_kakashiSpeedEvil, funny that, when I swap the charger from my other N900 with the one that has suspected microUSB problems, neither of the two devices show that they have the issue when I push on the microUSB head hard. When I swapped over the one that was having problems with it shows up the same issue yet again13:35
hatake_kakashirobbiethe1st, heh I'm not particularly good with soldering and I don't really have the proper tool (apart from access to a flathead based soldering iron)13:36
hatake_kakashiinteresting, device rebooted13:36
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robbiethe1sthatake_kakashi, I personally would go on the forums and ask and see if anyone would be willing to do it for you if you shipped it to them and, say, paid them $2013:37
robbiethe1st...Because once it breaks, it's a *lot* harder to fix.13:38
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hatake_kakashirobbiethe1st, bah that's gonna be awkward, was thinking of sourcing an electrician locally instead and watching him as he do it13:40
robbiethe1stThat's an option, but perhaps find a phone-repair place?13:40
SpeedEvilElectrician will not usually have the skills - you want someone familiar with board-level repair of PCBs13:40
robbiethe1stthe contacts are /tiny/13:40
hatake_kakashiso in other words it'll be better to get some other maemo user to do it for you for a fee? :) heh this N900 does seem like its falling apart. The power button seems to be very sensitive and hard to push.13:43
* hatake_kakashi smells lemon *sigh*13:43
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hatake_kakashioh and one of the torx screws is missing, I noted that to the seller13:45
robbiethe1stEh, you can get a whole body kit for it for about $1513:48
robbiethe1st...but you have to be careful and transfer the antennas from the old body13:48
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DocScrutinizerI'd return a used device that pbviously got tampered with in a non-professional way14:15
DocScrutinizernot that it's impossible even Nokia breaks power switches on repair14:16
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hatake_kakashiproblem is whether or not will they give you N8/E7 in return14:22
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DocScrutinizerthey wouldn't even ponder to try that on me14:39
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cityLightsok, I dont see n9 on sale in amazon15:05
cityLightsand I think Iwill wait for black friday15:05
hatake_kakashibefore sourcing one from elsewhere? e.g. Mexico?15:06
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ShadowJKI thought it wasnt selling yet anywhere15:10
hatake_kakashiapparently some people already got their hands on N9 apart from those who got from Nokia directly15:10
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hatake_kakashisome French guy was visiting Malaysia and asked if anybody in France wanted N9 or something on tmo thread, then there's a few people asking bits and pieces of N9 in that N950/N9 sub-forum15:12
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DocScrutinizer(There's another funny sign with this newly acquired N900 with it showing it was fully charged, once momentarily unplugged from the charger and plugged back in it says its charging, hmm) that's absolutely normal. Charging will restart on unplugging/replugging the charger, and it ends either on battery *really* high voltage, or charger chip needs some time to detect the charging current is below charge end threshold. So the more correct16:06
DocScrutinizerbehaviour is it will restart charging each time you plug in the charger, rather than telling "battery full" right away, which occasionally it also does16:06
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DocScrutinizeralso a "fully charged" notification doesn't mean charging actually stopped, it will continue trickle charging for quite some time iirc16:08
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DocScrutinizerthe "fully charged" notification (and switching from charging animation to battery-full icon, rsp from yellow-falshing to green steady light) is triggered by fuel gauge jumping to 100% according to what I seem to recall - charger chip however is still continuing charging @ a few 10s of mA for quite some time16:10
DocScrutinizerbme is fun to analyze :-P16:11
DocScrutinizerand battery state messages bme sends to hal from where they go to e.g battery applet and indicator LED is mere guesswork16:12
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DocScrutinizerrecently my t900 refused to charge (proven by custom charger indicator light not showing any current taken by the device), until I plugged it to PC. Not even battery-out for 2min changed the issue :-o16:16
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DocScrutinizerthat's PK on my t900, but anyway16:17
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: did you see what openwrt guys did with n8x0 charging?16:18
DocScrutinizerthere've been other reports of "twl4030 locks up in inoperative state, sticky across batery removal", during very early states of h-e-n R&D16:18
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: nope, not at all. But then I got just a faint idea about n810 charging being a *real* mess16:19
DocScrutinizerand completely different to what is going on with N900 charging16:19
DocScrutinizeralso didn't know openWRT even dealt with N8x0 at all16:19
kwtmIs there any reason my microSD card on my n900 is considered a "read-only" file system?  The mount command shows it mounted as "rw", and even chmodding a file to a+w and using root to rm doesn't work.  Is there a physical "read-only" switch on the microSD, and could it have somehow physically changed to r/o mode while inside the N900?16:21
DocScrutinizerand tbh I don't like much the idea of two dozen competing 'proprietary' kernels for a platform16:21
DocScrutinizerwe've seen what messing with kernel stuff by inexperienced "devels" can do, just one day ago16:22
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slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: what was one day ago?16:23
DocScrutinizergrep chanlog for bq2720016:23
DocScrutinizeror read and follow the links in there16:24
DocScrutinizerkwtm: no switch16:25
DocScrutinizerkwtm: probably a I/O error or fs-corrupt, on which the card got remounted r/o16:25
DocScrutinizerkwtm: check syslog/dmesg16:26
Estel_kwtm, maybe try inside desktop, just to check if it isn't sd card problem?16:26
Estel_I've heard, that out-of-life sd cards act as read only, and hw controller doesnt allow writing anymore16:26
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: I see.  That may explain it: I was doing backup to microSD and I believe power ran low (not sure; while I wasn't watching, the N900 rebooted) so it may have been remounted.16:26
Estel_to avoid data loss16:26
Estel_but probably DocScrutinizer is right and it's just filesystem ;)16:27
kwtmEstel_: will try. Thx.16:27
DocScrutinizeryeah, probably fs corrupt then16:27
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  why are You calling openwrt "propertiary" party?16:27
Estel_afaik openwrt is well, open ;)16:28
DocScrutinizerinsert to your desktop PC, run fschk16:28
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: I know you all get upset when I call a custom thing that has open source "proprietary"16:29
Estel_not really upset, just curious ;)16:29
DocScrutinizerso s/proprietary/fsckng-fork/16:29
kwtmhow do I check syslog?  I am looking at /var/log but I just see a few small logs; am I looking for one of these?16:29
Estel_I just identify proprietary as non- open source compliant16:30
DocScrutinizeror use dmesg, when you got no ksyslogd installed16:30
Estel_aka derivatived from "property" ;)16:30
* RST38h yawns16:30
DocScrutinizeryeah, I'm using the word wrong16:30
Estel_no problem16:30
RST38hSo, gentlemen, what is new andexciting tonight?16:30
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Sorry, I need more of a hint.  I tried "syslog" as a command, and also /syslog and /var/syslog, none of which exist.  Should there be a /var/log/syslog?  I'm not seeing it.16:30
DocScrutinizeror command dmesg16:31
DocScrutinizersyslog only exists if you installed the ksyslogd pkg16:31
* Estel_ just wondered if he missed something about openwrt16:31
kwtmOh, I needed ksyslogd to install?  I did do dmesg, so maybe I'll use that ... I was hoping the system logs would give more detail and  let me be more selective.  Anyway, I'll go with dmesg.16:31
kwtmSounds like ksyslogd is useful.  I'll install that shortly.16:32
Estel_RST38h,  it probably depends on what one is getting *ekhm* excited16:32
Estel_or overexcited ;)16:32
Estel_kwtm, just give us info how this ended, it's interesting16:33
RST38hWell, try me16:33
kwtmBtw, how is the ... thing?  (What is it called again?  Community Additions to Operating System or something.)   Half a year ago I installed the not-the-latest (v12? v13?) because there was a bug in the latest (v17? v18?)  -- the oldest one that had landscape orientation lock (but not portrait).  Any new versions in past half year?  I am still digging through my notes to see where the web page is that lists the currently16:34
kwtmavailable versions.16:34
Estel_"#maemo IRC daily news: page 1: kwtm got microSD card acting like read-only. This shocking story reveal, that card may even refuse to chmod from root!"16:34
kwtm"Tune in tomorrow for continuing coverage of what happened when kwtm turned the N900 off and then on!"16:34
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Estel_"page 2: recent discoveries reveal that yawning on IRC isn't affecting other irc attenders. Scientist promised further research, with great help of RST38h, professional irc yawing bot"16:35
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: thanks16:35
Estel_yawning, probably. oh, well16:36
DocScrutinizer~tell kwtm about cssu16:36
Estel_thanks slonopotamus, reading16:36
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kwtmAh, cssu, yes, that was the keyword.16:37
Estel_btw, DocScrutinizer, you remember discussion about polling i2cget and resource -intensivity of that?16:38
Estel_I've checked it a little, and off-line, locked phone with 5 used 20-30 mA, while without it it eats 6-7 mA16:38
Estel_well, probably can be fixed by stop refreshing (in case of battery applet) when not visible...16:39
DocScrutinizererr, that proves what?16:39
Estel_polling /sys/ output from goddamnit bq...ko result in 7-8 mA16:39
DocScrutinizerrunning a shell script every 5s obviously will increase the power consumption of CPU16:40
Estel_ok... You think that running i2c get via constant-on program won't produce high CPU wake-ups?16:40
DocScrutinizerand battery applet isn't supposed to do a once-per-5s polling, that's plain insane16:41
DocScrutinizeronce per 5 minutes is more like it16:41
Estel_and stock battery applet, how often it check?16:41
SpeedEvilEstel_: 30s I think16:41
SpeedEvilIt's around there16:41
Estel_thanks SpeedEvil16:42
DocScrutinizerit works comletely different, event-driven based on bme reporting changes of battery charge16:42
DocScrutinizerdo a dbus-monitor and grep for err "battery" or "hal", and you'll see how it works16:42
DocScrutinizerEstel_: let me put it this way: how much could a battery change capacity in one minute?16:43
SpeedEvilThe minimal script above uses almost no extra power16:43
Estel_I see. Ian--- m just wondering, current approach of advanced-battery-monitor doesn'5 influence power usuage (by measureable numbers) at all.16:43
Estel_well, in range of measurement error, i.e ~1 mA16:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: it does, my results are completely in line with Estel_ 's16:44
SpeedEvil1mA is enough to be significant in terms of standby time16:44
SpeedEvilThis isn't the full bq* script16:44
Estel_I think how i2cget/dump method could be implemented to apm while retaining non-increased powerr consumption16:44
SpeedEvilIt reads only the average power measure16:44
SpeedEvilcurrent measure16:44
* RST38h yawns at Estel with passion16:44
SpeedEvil1mA may drop the standby time by a day16:45
DocScrutinizerEstel_: one readout of bq27200 via i2cbus every 30..60s is negligible16:45
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Estel_i see16:45
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kwtmIs there a known bug where the floating point libraries are relocated or otherwise somehow broken?  A lot of apps, when launched, simply disappear and/or never start (this includes previously working apps, like Maetronome and some others). I tried to run one such app from the command line (AsciiPortal), and it said "floating point exception" and quit.  Is this fixed by updating my CSSU?16:45
DocScrutinizerand there's basically no difference between i2cget doing that directly vs bq27200.ko doing that16:46
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  as for capacity, crappy 400 mAh replacement batteries are able to change capacity during 1 minutr quite a lot :P16:46
DocScrutinizerand bme does same way more often, like every 3s or sth16:46
Estel_roger that16:46
Estel_will report this forward to apm developer16:46
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DocScrutinizerso using i2cget / i2cdump for acquiring the bq27200 register values is a nobrainer regarding power consumption and resource demand16:47
DocScrutinizerdefinitely no reason why an applet would depend on bq27200.ko and give up on running on standard kernel that doesn't provide that module16:48
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SpeedEvilTechnically, it might be nicer if the driver could do it magically, and spit out a value on a pipe or something every n seconds16:49
DocScrutinizereven less a reason to get a broken bq27200.ko module that may kill your hardware16:49
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Estel_apm got many options including bme value, but I'm interested in 100% correct readout via fuel gauge data (when properly calibrated)16:49
SpeedEvilIt's not 100% correct unless you're not using BME16:50
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SpeedEvilBME does not always shutdown at the same voltage16:50
Estel_true, noticed that also16:50
SpeedEvilJust most of the time16:50
Estel_it was reason why many people were unable to calibrate16:51
DocScrutinizerI'm off, BBQ16:51
Estel_they did "something" that made bme shutdown before 15 sec on edv116:51
SpeedEvilIt 'always' shuts down as it hits EDV116:51
Estel_bb DocScrutinizer16:51
SpeedEvilbut it may shut down earlier16:51
SpeedEvilAnd very rarely it doesn't16:51
SpeedEvilletting the device calibrate16:51
Estel_in my case, many times I got running for solid few minutes after edv116:51
kwtmnews leak: kwtm's mmc card worked properly after off/on cycle (but there's a news embargo on this for the presses until tomorrow)16:52
SpeedEvilPerhaps it's a seperate trigger on low voltage from the modem which triggers it16:52
kwtmthx DocScrutinizer16:52
Estel_kwtm, lol :)16:52
ruskie <-- DocScrutinizer this might be of interest ;)16:52
* Sicelo listens to this power talk attentively 16:52
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Siceloedv1 = 3248, am i right?16:53
Estel_SpeedEvil,  when You gradually lower current, near end of discharge - after discharing on high current for almost whole process - bme shut down much later16:53
Estel_yea Sicelo16:53
Estel_I scratch my head about how it works16:54
SpeedEvilmaybe it's trying to estimate ESR16:54
SpeedEvilAnd make sure that it shuts down before the modem will die under transmit pulses16:54
Estel_but I "discovered" this, while writing tutorial for fuel gauge calibration16:54
kwtmany opinions on the latest CSSU, v10.5 (which appears to be a bug fix update)?  If no one says "there are a few bugs to iron out" I'll install it sometime later this week.16:54
Sicelobme reaches that low on yours Estel_? i only reach that by 'stop bme'16:54
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Estel_the strangest part is that without bme one can go as low as ~2850 mV16:55
Estel_Sicelo, yes.16:55
DocScrutinizerruskie: GOLDEN!!16:55
DocScrutinizerthanks a lot16:55
Siceloi must check again on mine :)16:55
Estel_Sicelo,  once I got problem of vdq turning to 0 just when i stop bmr16:55
Estel_so I was forced to develop calibration with bme16:56
DocScrutinizerkwtm: latest cssu OK16:56
Estel_lately, problem dissapeared16:56
kwtmthx, DocScrutinizer; you were the one who had previously warned me that the latest (at the time, probably about 2 versions ago) you had problems with, so if you tell me the latest is ok, that reassures me.16:56
DocScrutinizeris 10.8 iirc16:56
Estel_SpeedEvil,  You know what I've also observed? the higher capacity battery You have, the later bme (in terms of voltage) shut down device16:57
DocScrutinizerx.8 anyway16:57
Estel_with dual- scud 3000 mAh battery it's much easier to get edv116:57
kwtmI see only 10.5 on which was updated 2011-09-12, so if there's a later one (which appears to be more bugfix rather than new features --perfect for me), where would I get it?16:57
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: pretty simple: bme shuts down on spikes tearing down battery to a certain threshld for sub-second duration, while what you see on bq27200 usually is averaged voltage. Higer capacity makes the "brownout" on surges less "deep"16:59
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Estel_sounds sane17:00
DocScrutinizerkwtm: via OTA SSU you'll get the leatest, after installing 10.517:00
Estel_Are You sure about tchis mechanism, or is it educated guesswork?17:00
Estel_obtained while working on jrbme?17:00
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Ok, so I'll just unpin the CSSU package and let it get the latest.  Thx.17:00
DocScrutinizerwe had a rush-weekend where we got 10.5 .6 .7 .8 iirc17:01
Estel_Sicelo, You may be interested in this:
DocScrutinizer~tell Sicelo about jrtools17:03
Estel_~tell Estel_ about jrtools17:03
Sicelothanks. :)17:03
Estel_does it work for self-tell?17:03
Siceloi'm aware of your post, bookmarked a while ago :)17:04
Sicelojrtool :/ the wiki page?17:04
DocScrutinizer51~tell Estel_ about query17:04
Estel_thanks. Wasn't mean to self-advertise :P17:04
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Estel_thanks DocScrutinizer.17:05
Sicelonot at all. i appreciate your work, all of u. bq27200 is the number 1 command i run as root17:05
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kwtmAahhhhh, crap! Back to "read only file system".  I wonder if that means my microSD card itself is corrupt?  Crumm, and I spent a lot (at the time) to get the largest possible capacity, too.17:07
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  I've seen that wiki page long time ago, but it state most of it is obsolete on PR1.3?17:08
DocScrutinizer51uSD sometimes just age and break17:08
Estel_kwtm, that card type is it?17:08
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: I updated it recently to make clear what's irrelevant for cssu17:08
Estel_Sicelo, are You also going to use 3000mAh battery?17:08
* Estel_ will check17:09
kwtm !?  and now it's not "read only file system" any more.  I wonder if that error message is misleading, and it's just "some directories got switched to chmod -w" ?  This is weird.  Definitely there are some files now writable that weren't before, so definitely an improvement from before.  Anyway, this is from a large   rsync -v   so all these error messages are scrolling past at about 3 lines a second. :P17:09
kwtmEstel_: Do you mean what brand?  Can't remember, think I got it from Hong Kong (some Japanese brand, not one of those cheap imitations).17:10
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Estel_Sicelo,  if yes, I strongly advice to. It's funny how industry want slimmer and smaller devices. I bless my Mugen Cover not only because room for 3000mAh battery, photo-tripod mount etc, but also while writing, even here, on IRC.17:10
Estel_using N900 hardware keyboard is *much* more comfortable with mugen cover17:10
Estel_additional thickness is really, really pros here17:11
Estel_kwtm, I see. and capacity?17:11
kwtmEstel_: What is mugen cover?  I have an otter case which seems very robust.  Is mugen a cover for the keyboard (which is starting to get scratched).17:11
Estel_no no. Mugen Cover is custom backcover for N90017:11
kwtmEstel_: capacity = 16GB (I remember it was the largest possible at the time, but still only half the size of N900's memory)17:11
Estel_it replaces N900backcover17:12
Estel_You know, You got battery, SD sim etc under it17:12
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Estel_maninly, it allow You to use DIY dual-batteries, preferably dual-scud = 3000 mAh of real capacity17:13
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Estel_some, including me, did other mods too - for example, I inserted mount point for tripod17:13
kwtmEstel_: So you're replacing part of the original n900.  I see.  Worthwhile?  My otter just goes over the n900, so it's slightly bigger but imho has much more damage protection.  Also has a top cover, too, and nice covers for the USB port, audio plug hole, etc.17:13
Estel_so I can place my N900 on every standard camera tripod, for taking photos17:13
Estel_mugen cover isn't about protection at all17:14
Estel_You can use some otter cover with it, if N900 with mugen cover fit17:14
kwtmEstel_: Seriously!?  Tripod for N900?  Actually, I'm more interested in the additional battery.  So it must be somewhat thicker, and ... what, there's another port to allow you to plug in a 2nd battery?17:14
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Estel_no no. You just solder 2 batteries in parallel17:14
kwtmI can't seem to find the right google keywords.  Is there a product number?17:14
Estel_ - don't be scarred by Behemot size of this thread, all info is indexed in first 3 posts17:15
SiceloEstel_: now u are advertising :P ;)17:16
Siceloi would like to have it, yes. :)17:16
Estel_and yea, I use tripod, photography took by N900 is great with it17:16
BCMMthere exist phone holders with a tripod mounts17:16
Estel_hehe, Sicelo, this is dr_frost_dk thread :P17:17
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Estel_BCMM,  true, but they are insanely expensive17:17
Estel_and most of the times compatible with only few phones17:17
Siceloi only wonder how much it would cost by the time its delivered to me here in Swaziland..17:18
Estel_With tripod mount point inside N900 cover I can just use pocket-size tripod and carry it everywhere, or, for special ocassions, full-fledged big tripod17:18
Estel_Sicelo, it depends if You "dare" to solder it on Your own, or donate someone to do so17:18
Estel_still, it's much cheaper than 2300mAh Mugen Battery, and must better, cause 300 mAh ;)17:19
Estel_personally, I've modifed Mugen Cover to also contain camera lens cover, which work like stock cover17:19
Estel_also to be found on dr_frost_dk thread17:19
* Sicelo re-reads the thread17:19
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Estel_i.e when You open custom camera cover, N900"know" that, like with stock cover17:20
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Estel_BTW, it's funny to see low battery warning, while You have 60 % of standard nokia battery left (700 mAh)17:21
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Estel_with 3000 mAh battery, uptimes are awesome17:21
Estel_not to mention less battery wear, due to half of current used from every cell17:21
kwtmEstel_: Wow, thx for that post.  I like how the nominally "1920" mAh had 800mAh. :P17:21
Estel_after half of year of use, I still got more than 3000mAh capacity17:22
Estel_kwtm, yea17:22
Estel_Ho ever, scud batteries adveristing 1400 mAh got 1520, lol17:22
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Estel_basically, two batteries are worth considering. Scuds for top performace and quite good price, and "christgifts" with 1200 mAh but toally cheap price and best price/capacity ratio17:23
Estel_capacity/price, rather17:23
Estel_personally, I use Scuds17:23
hakkattakkI have just switched from my iPhone to a n900 (will get it next week) and just want to know if it is possible to show the calendar in the lockscreen on hte n900?17:23
Estel_dual-scud to be precise17:24
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hakkattakkI have found some another nice apps for maemo but I can´t find anything that shows the calendar on the lockscreen.17:24
Sicelonot on stock n900 hakkattakk17:24
Estel_hakkattakk, there is package qtlockscreen17:24
Estel_it allow You to modify whatever ou want17:24
Estel_on lockscreen17:24
hakkattakkI have looked in the theard but didn´t found anything about calendar though17:24
Sicelooh, lol, i ended up uninstalling it without playing enough17:24
Estel_and welcome on the light side of the Force :P17:24
hakkattakkEstel_: Thanks ;)17:25
Estel_I also don't use it, for me lcokscreen is enough with showing hour and date :P17:25
Estel_for everything else I unlock device17:25
Estel_Sicelo, for me qtlockscreen use too much memory, but most people wan't even notice17:26
kwtmhakkattakk: You're getting yours used, right?  I want to know if Nokia's still selling these --I'm thinking about getting a second one for when the first N900 fails, because so far no one else is coming out with a hackable phone.  Think Meego ran out of gas, and the hinted-at super Samsung Linux Phone ain't happening.  Wife got an iPad which is way too locked down so I don't want an iPhone, so I'm stuck between praying for a decent17:26
kwtmAndroid and having a backup Real Linux phone.17:26
Siceloyeah, that's another reason i uninstalled it17:26
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Estel_kwtm, definitelly not Android17:26
Estel_almost every program there is adware17:26
hakkattakkkwtm: Yeah, I bought it as used17:26
Estel_not my world, definitelly17:27
MoonTigerkwtm, i'm selling my n900 if you're interested17:27
Sicelohow many u have MoonTiger ?17:27
Estel_honestly, I would never buy N900 from TMO user - here we know for too goodvalue of N90017:27
MoonTiger2 currently17:27
MoonTigeronly need one17:27
hakkattakkbtw, I bought mine for 130$17:27
Estel_I bought mine n ideal condition for ~140$17:27
hakkattakkor 900kr (sek)17:28
Estel_was never ever flashed with custom kernel17:28
hakkattakksame with mine17:28
Estel_foil on screen from new etc17:28
Estel_nice :)17:28
hakkattakkMaemo does really looks like a nice OS17:28
kwtmActually I was thinking the same thing ... one thing to buy from iPhone dweeb who doesn't know how to use N900; another thing to buy from someone in this channel --if you're selling it, what's wrong with it?17:28
kwtm$130-$140 is US dollars?17:28
Estel_well, based on Debian, so i mujst be ;)17:28
MoonTigerkwtm, nothing17:28
Estel_yes kwtm17:29
Sicelolol, true about TMO Estel_ . i know 2 people with N900 here, but just using them as nice phones. when time is right, i'll persuade them to hand them over :P17:29
Estel_in fact I've payed on PLN, that's why I told about ~ calculation17:29
kwtmSicelo: Good move --the longer you wait, the more it devalues. :)17:29
Estel_Sicelo, lucky guy You're :P17:29
kwtmMoonTiger: How much are you selling it for?17:29
hakkattakkso where are you from? anyone from Sweden?17:29
Estel_BTW, I strongly advice everyone to pre- fix USB port17:30
MoonTigerkwtm, 200 euros with a few extra batteries and ext charger17:30
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kwtmEstel_: How?  Are even the later models fragile?17:30
Sicelothere's still 2 new ones in a shop here, but i don't have enough money yet17:30
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Estel_kwtm, it's fragile by design, more or less17:31
MoonTigeroh and no wobble on the usn at all17:31
MoonTigerlooks solid as a rock17:31
kwtmSicelo: Really!?? Where are you , what shop, and how much are the selling it for?  I hope it's not still the US$650 list price...17:31
Estel_I'll search for appropriate usb17:31
Estel_not usb17:31
Estel_tmo thread i mean :P17:31
Sicelousd 500. Swaziland, Africa. although u can negotiate your way17:32
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Estel_there is everything You want tos know about fixing port before, and after it's too late17:33
MoonTigeryah i have never charged mine with usb ... always ext charger17:34
Estel_soldering to PCB internal cooper layer + epoxing around is best, IMO17:34
hakkattakkI guess TMO = Talk.Maemo.Org?17:34
Estel_Sicelo, don't buy it for 500 USD17:34
Estel_where You can for 200on ebay without problems17:35
hakkattakkdo you really need to use the USB-port that often?17:35
MoonTigerhakkattakk, depends if you need to chage with it17:35
Estel_it's rather about that You need it in case of reflash17:35
hakkattakkisn´t there an SSH-server or something for it?17:35
Estel_data transfer is also nive, but can be achieved via wifi17:35
kwtmMoonTiger: How can I contact you by email regarding the n900?  I need to verify from the billing department that this purchase will be covered by the "education" budget.17:35
Estel_also, there is USB hostmode17:36
Estel_which is a must for me17:36
Estel_hakkattakk,  there is ssh of course17:36
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hakkattakkso you can use a USB-flashdrive in the phone?17:36
Estel_but if You would like to connect pendrive, DVD writer or whatever You need usb17:36
hakkattakkwith an adapter ofc17:37
Estel_of course17:37
Estel_thanks to awesome H-E-N team17:37
Estel_not only pendrive17:37
Estel_every USB device, if only available linux drivers/modules are available17:37
Estel_mind You, it was community effort to bring it. Nokians claimed hostmode is impossible.17:38
amiconnAlso usb data transfer is orders of magnitude faster than wifi17:38
Estel_btw, when You need to print something, and no wifi printers are around17:38
amiconnBtw, I wonder why lshal on the N900 shows me an ethernet module17:38
Estel_You just use Easy Debian and usb regular printer :P17:39
hakkattakkwill that one work?17:39
Estel_because there is and ethernet module.17:39
hakkattakkmicroUSB -> USB adapter17:39
Estel_probably, but You can also use regular N900USB cable + female-to-female adapter17:40
amiconnWhat's connected there? It's obviously not exposed...17:40
Estel_this is small part, and no need to carry 2 cables around17:40
amiconn(to the ethernet in case that was unclear)17:40
Estel_amiconn,  maybe we're talking about different things. I mean that in power kernel there is ethernet module, to use usb-to-etherneet adapters17:41
hakkattakkI guess I will order that adapter then17:41
Estel_this way You can connect N900 to ethernet network17:41
infoboti heard usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)17:41
hakkattakkit was really cheap17:41
amiconnI'm talking about a driver for the omap ethernet module17:41
Estel_amiconn,  no idea sorry17:41
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  not quite true about epoxy - Your own idea of epoxy glued only to port + cables is also great17:42
Estel_would be *ideal* if not for requiment of de-soldering usb port first17:42
Estel_hey, sun is going too fast here :(17:43
Estel_it was before nun just while ago, and I'm closing to twilight now.17:43
Estel_Summer should last 9 months17:43
Estel_8' in dire need of sunlight17:44
DocScrutinizerEstel_: yep, it's the only way to use epoxy (putty) with USB17:44
DocScrutinizerall other ideas to use epoxy to glue it to PCB are - imho - nonsense17:45
amiconnlsmod also shows smc91x17:45
Estel_dont' forget about epoxy types that are less elastic than solder. But yes, I agree soldering is best.17:45
DocScrutinizerand actually ruin the device17:45
Estel_I can't dissagree :P17:45
Estel_still, I've never heard of anyone having broken port even after *only* epoxy solution, so it may be working nonsense. Anyway, I go for soldering any day17:46
Estel_I also think many people are carefully pulling their usb pkug, but forget about carefully putting it on place, first17:47
Estel_btw somehow I think one buying N900's with broken ports, fixing it DocScrutinizer cable-epoxy way and selling on TMO could raise a small fortune.17:48
Estel_well, there already is one guy on ebay that buy hundreds of N900's for quite uncertain reasons ;)17:48
Estel_"meantime, group of last existing N900's, striking the Empire from hidden base..."17:49
Estel_"...with their unique technology of infrared transmitters..."17:50
Estel_You can't imagine how I *love* to turn off annoying TV's in bar or waiting longues in some places17:50
Estel_in bars*17:50
Estel_I bless TVBGone! developer.17:51
DocScrutinizereventually I'll come up with my sekrit ACME IR-LED booster17:51
DocScrutinizeronly for really smart DIY electro-fiddlers17:52
Estel_by the way I was wondering for some "attachement" that, when inserted, would make infrare beam less focused, like in tv pilots17:52
Estel_N900 IR is great, also in terms of power, but need very carefull aiming17:52
DocScrutinizerthenit'll be even weaker17:52
DocScrutinizerit actually is very weak, in my book17:53
jogahmm...wonder when was the last time I actually used an IR port..17:53
Estel_hm, I found that I can turn off things from much further than most pilots, but I can'5 turn it off even from 5 meters if aimed not precisely17:53
DocScrutinizerEstel_: possible17:53
Estel_in my book it's very focused. While alligned correctly, it can turn off tv in another building, through open window17:54
DocScrutinizeryou could try all kinds of diffusors atached to the IR window, for testing17:54
Estel_but need almost sniper rifle aiming17:54
MoonTigergotta do some work ... later guys :)17:54
Estel_thought exactly about that17:54
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* DocScrutinizer off for BBQ now, for good17:54
Estel_see ya Mooniger17:54
Estel_bye DocScrutinizer17:55
Estel_BTW I must finally finish my external antenna mod :P17:55
MohammadAGI want BBQ :/17:58
MohammadAGFast scroll is something we need to add to libhildon btw17:59
MohammadAGit's kinda awesome17:59
DocScrutinizer51my fsckng 2G GPRS doesn't work no more :-( Seems my carrier thoroughly fsckd up the DHCP18:01
DocScrutinizer51or routing, or APN, or...18:01
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ShadowJKSometimes going offline mode 15 minutes helps18:12
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MohammadAGhelps what?18:14
DocScrutinizernot Hamburg here, but same issue18:15
DocScrutinizerwhich literally SUCKS (my battery on 3G)18:15
hakkattakkis there some must-have things for n900? Like CSSU or something? Maybe dualboot with NITdroid?18:17
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SpeedEvilhakkattakk: 2g-3g switcher, flashlight, cuteexplorer, ssh-client+server18:18
Siceloi doubt Nitdroid counts :P18:18
Sicelobackupmenu is another must-have18:19
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DocScrutinizerload applet18:19
SpeedEvilyeah - load applet18:19
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hakkattakkI made a list, I guess it cover most of the "must-have" apps18:25
amiconnEstel_: Thank's for the tip! tvbegone is certainly fun... tested it only on my own tv so far though18:26
hakkattakkhow about Cordia, does anyone use it here?18:26
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SiceloEstel_: i'm still thinking about your words here -- I've checked it a little, and off-line, locked phone with 5 used 20-30 mA, while without  it it eats 6-7 mA19:14
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Siceloonly process being bq.. or doing other i2c things as well?19:15
jacekowskiit causes phone to wake up much more often19:15
jacekowskifor quite long period of times19:15
Siceloand how do u test current draw without bq..?19:15
jacekowskiSicelo: a meter?19:15
Sicelook :P19:16
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ShadowJKYou take one reading with "./", wait 10 hours, take another reading, and note the difference in nominal available capacity, divide by 1019:29
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strangrhow do i check whethr lens cover is open or closed?19:53
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strangrhow do i code that in qt19:53
strangrwith respect to n90019:54
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massoudSpeedEvil: n900 debricked w/ 1.3 rev from the maemo repo20:12
massoudbut still something weird, the MyDocs/.sounds directory seems to have disappeared20:13
strangrmassoud ??20:14
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massoudi believe there is a fs corruption on my mmc card :(20:16
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massoudthe MyDocs/.sounds is from the internal memory or the mmc card for the n900 ?20:20
SpeedEvilmassoud: :)20:21
SpeedEvilmassoud: internal20:21
SpeedEvilI think20:21
massoudSpeedEvil: so there is a fs corruption on my internal storage ?20:22
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SpeedEvil.sounds is presented in the UI as the localised version20:24
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Sicelodoes anybody else's bluetooth come on automatically on boot, if it wa off at shutdown?20:26
Siceloi don't have anything, afaik, that switches it on like that, but it happens :/20:28
merlin1991Sicelo: I never had that happen20:28
Siceloi noticed it since a week ago, and it's consistent20:29
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amiconnSicelo: Updating cssu causes the inverse for me. It always disables bluetooth and doesn't re-enable it afterwards :\20:44
* amiconn usually keeps bluetooth permanently enabled20:44
Sicelolol, ok20:44
Siceloi'm  just on PK47 here, and been on it a while. this bt thing is a bit new20:45
Sazpaimon_is there a way to get gcc 4.4 on the maemo 5 scratchbox?20:47
Sazpaimon_or is there a better solution?20:47
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Sazpaimon_there appears to be a gcc 4.6 in extras-devel, but I dont see an armel version20:50
Sazpaimon_plus scratchbox needs its own toolchain20:50
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timmyti want to install maemo-pan but it needs a dependency.where to get that? i couldn't find that. please guide me20:51
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Sicelowhat is the dependency?20:58
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hakkattakkhi guylhem_21:00
guylhem_is there a way to add an even to a calendar by shell script ?21:00
guylhem_or anything easily scriptable?21:00
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timmytsicelo: maemo-pan: Depends: bluez-utils (>= 3.22-0osso2)              Depends: libicd-network-dummy but it is not installable21:01
Sicelocheck devel for that..21:02
guylhem_Sicelo: #maemo-devel?21:02
guylhem_yes PR1.321:02
timmytwho r u talking to?21:02
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guylhem_timmyt: i thought you asked if I was running fremantle21:03
Siceloi meant u , timmyt21:03
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ShadowJKAre you trying to install a Maemo4 package in Maemo5?21:04
timmytshadowjk: me?21:05
guylhem_I want to create a hack/script/app/whatever doing loine calltrack on the droid, the only thing I miss: adding call log to the calendar. I think I understand how to extract the call log. Now adding to the calendar is something else.21:05
Sicelo:P, yes, he means u timmyt21:05
timmytidk guys. im running maemo 5 and i found it in repositories21:06
ShadowJKseems like maemo-pan package is broken21:08
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timmytso how can i share internet on mobile wirh my laptop?21:10
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Sicelotimmyt: install libicd-network-null instead21:16
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ShadowJKSeems the failing dependency is bluez-utils >= 3.22-0osso2.. There's "bluez" already installed at >4.0 version, which provides "bluez-utils"21:17
* ShadowJK shrugs21:17
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timmytsicelo is that available in devel?21:19
timmytand what can i do for bluez?21:19
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Sicelodunno about bluez. but lib-network-null is in devel21:20
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timmytisn't there any other way for sharing internet?21:21
Sicelonetwork-dummy, according to USB Networking wiki, is in Nokia Fremantle repositories, which, i suppose,i SDK tools21:21
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timmytwhat about DUN?21:22
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Sicelou want to share your 2g/3g connection with your pc?21:25
Siceloor pc/lan with your N900?21:25
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timmyt2G with my pc21:26
amiconnYou can use wifi tethering. The free solution ("Mobile hotspot") doesn't support wpa or wpa2 though, so it's not optimal21:26
NIN101or USB networking...21:26
timmytis there any wiki page for these methods?21:27
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Sicelotimmyt: just connecting your device to laptop as a modem is enough for what u say u want21:29
ShadowJKbluetooth-dun also works21:31
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timmytive tried dun through blueman, it made a connection but didn't connect the pc to the inernet21:35
amiconnDoesn't bluetooth-dun pass the connection rather than sharing it? I.e the N900 won't be able to use it while dun is active?21:35
timmytlet me try usb networking21:35
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* Sicelo doubt usb networking is going to help21:38
Siceloi use it for sharing my LAN connectiong with N900, if i don't have haccess to wifi21:38
timmytshit, so what can i do?21:38
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DocScrutinizeramiconn: ys21:39
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DocScrutinizerDialUpNetwork just exposes the AT interface to the modem21:41
timmytDocScrutinizer: do you know how to use dun?21:41
DocScrutinizeryou just configure a new "dialup connection (modem)" on the machine that is using the DUN pairing21:42
timmyti've tried to use blueman in debian 6 but it didn't work21:42
timmytim not using windows21:42
DocScrutinizerbasically DUN is like plugging in a modem to the "other PC" USB host port21:43
DocScrutinizerif you're not using windoze, then you need to use whatever tool your distro offers to manage modems - DUN is just another modem21:44
timmytu mean i should connect the phone through usb cable?21:44
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DocScrutinizerno, I didn't say that21:46
Sicelotimmyt: just connecting your device to laptop as a modem is enough for what u say u want21:46
timmytwhat do u mean connecting as a modem?21:46
DocScrutinizer~wiki modem21:46
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: " {{pp-move-indef}} {{refimprove|date=October 2010}} A 'modem' ('mo'dulator-'dem'odulator) is a device that modulates an analog carrier signal to encode digital information, and also demodulates such a carrier signal to decode the transmitted information. The goal is to produce a signal that can be transmitted easily and decoded to reproduce the original digital data. Modems can be used ...21:46
DocScrutinizermodems can connect via RS232 (classic way), via USB (modern way), via BT-DUN (geek way), via TCP/IP and even via centronics21:48
Sicelotimmyt: i meant, quickest way is to connect with your cable, chooose PC suite mode, and debian will immediately seee a modem21:48
timmytlet me try21:48
DocScrutinizerlinux talks to *all* modems via /dev/tty*21:50
DocScrutinizerand it always talks "AT" to them21:50
DocScrutinizer(unless it's a GDI modem)21:51
SpeedEvilOr a DSL modem21:51
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DocScrutinizeryep, those usually use PPPoE21:51
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timmytit wworkde it worked21:51
timmyttnx to sicelo21:52
DocScrutinizertimmyt: it woukd work exactly same way via BT-DUN21:52
DocScrutinizerBT == USB, for modem21:52
Sicelonah, it's just a standard thing. just make sure u have enough on your data plan :P21:52
timmytit's ok. i can use 2GB for a month21:54
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amiconnHmm, maemo-pan is indeed not installed due to broken dependencies22:07
infobotamiconn meant: Hmm, maemo-pan is indeed not installable due to broken dependencies22:07
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Sicelo~wiki Nokia N90022:08
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox information appliance | title = Nokia N900 | image = | manufacturer = Nokia | type = Mobile Internet device, handheld computer and smartphone | media = microSD/microSDHC card{{cite press release|title=Maemo 5 injects speed and power into mobile computing|url=|date=27 August 2009|publisher=Nokia ...22:08
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DocScrutinizer~tell Sicelo about help22:39
Sicelo~/win 2122:40
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jargon-what is the Freemantle Extras repo?23:21
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Estel_amiconn,  sorry for late answer -* no problem, glad You've enjoyed it23:59
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