| jacekowski | guylhem: what? | 00:00 |
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| jacekowski | guylhem: i bought 2TB for less | 00:00 |
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| guylhem | everything is very expensive in .mq | 00:00 |
| jacekowski | 80euro for 2TB wd | 00:00 |
| guylhem | and I'm going on vacation soon, with plans to purchase various stuff :-) well no HD this time | 00:01 |
| guylhem | psycho_oreos: yes 1Tb | 00:01 |
| psycho_oreos | guylhem, had me confused with seeing something similar as a boot reason on N900 :p | 00:02 |
| psycho_oreos | something like 1_wd_to | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | 1TB | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | not 1Tb | 00:02 |
| guylhem | the hd is for the other device I trashed with my rm -fr | 00:02 |
| guylhem | to save some files before reinstalling | 00:03 |
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| Macer | i wish 3TB would come down a bit more | 00:03 |
| psycho_oreos | well more technically it is 1TB but it was a knee-jerk reaction that I just used Tb instead of the correct terminology TB | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 00:03 |
| Macer | like 100/drive :) | 00:03 |
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| jacekowski | i have to expand my nas | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | and i've used up all my space | 00:04 |
| Macer | heh | 00:04 |
| Macer | i was going to eliminate my fileserver and use a synology | 00:04 |
| Macer | and fill it up with 4x3TB drives | 00:04 |
| Macer | raid 5 | 00:04 |
| Macer | so 9 usable... about 8 formatted | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | i have synology | 00:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | my gps doesnt seem to be getting a signal | 00:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | anyone ever experience this | 00:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | Im outside right now and have agps turned on | 00:07 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | my data is working, I'm using it right now | 00:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but the gps icon just keeps blinking | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | martinique? | 00:10 |
| guylhem | yes | 00:10 |
| guylhem | great place but expansive for gizmos | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | Sazpaimon_, "location-test-ui" from SDK Tools repo, or "gpsjinni" from extras :-) | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | location-test-ui is great, you can ask it to do AGNSS and it'll only do (A)GPS and no network location | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | (sometimes though, just closing all gps apps and starting them again seems to work) | 00:12 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | ShadowJK Im using google maps, should I try to killall browserd? | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | no | 00:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | Ill get gpsjinni then | 00:15 |
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| Macer | jacekowski: have you tried the mail server? | 00:18 |
| Macer | it seems to have quite a few servers built in.. i wouldn't mind taking advantage of them all | 00:18 |
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| Macer | but 128MB of ram sounds like it would crush that thing | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | crush what.. | 00:19 |
| Sazpaimon_ | alright it finally got a signal on its own | 00:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | wonder why it took so long | 00:24 |
| guylhem | the hell if I know what happened??!!%% I just put the 900 in R&D mode and now it boots again!! | 00:28 |
| guylhem | I wanted to take tarballs before doing anything weird. | 00:29 |
| hatake_kakashi | Sazpaimon_, have you tried changing the SUPL server to google instead of nokia? and also by any chance do you have the latest CSSU installed? | 00:29 |
| guylhem | still got "internal error" when trying to open the phone but it's a good step forward | 00:30 |
| hatake_kakashi | guylhem, you might want to have a look at BackupMenu by robbiethe1st | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | oh yeah, t-mobile blocks nokia agps or something | 00:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | google has an agps server? | 00:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and yeah im on tmobile | 00:30 |
| guylhem | hatake_kakashi: was installed. in fact I did suspect it was the problem | 00:30 |
| hatake_kakashi | Sazpaimon_, yeah, supl.google.co | 00:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | why does tmobile block their supl server | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | com | 00:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | guylhem, weird | 00:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | s/.co/.com | 00:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | s/.co/.com/ | 00:31 |
| infobot | hatake_kakashi meant: s/.com/.com | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | let's say "interferes" instead of "blocks" | 00:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | ffs *facepalms for self* | 00:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | supl.google.com *thanks ShadowJK* | 00:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also, i just noticed | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here, no t-mobile | 00:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | microb now directs me to the web2go website on dns errors | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | like, when i want to google search from the address bar | 00:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but my resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten | 00:33 |
| hatake_kakashi | do you have openvpn installed? | 00:33 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yes | 00:34 |
| hatake_kakashi | that could be the culprit | 00:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i havent paid for my vyprvpn though | 00:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so my account is suspended until I do | 00:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i havent used the applet in months though | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so I blame Nokia's supl server infra just fsckdup | 00:35 |
| guylhem | ok got another symptom : when screen turns off, the led at the left and right of the keyboard are brighter then the left led start blinking | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | Macer: no | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK | guylhem, it's supposed to do that in RD mode | 00:35 |
| guylhem | ah ok | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's partially broken for N8x0, it's not working for N950, and it seems it's also flawed for N900 | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | Macer: if you want it for anything more than storage - don't buy it | 00:36 |
| guylhem | that's my 1st week with a n900 | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | normally nobody uses RD mode | 00:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | Doc, tmobile? | 00:36 |
| guylhem | well RD mode seems to have resolved the reboot loop - hell if I know why | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | Macer: it's one of the best storage devices i've seen so far, but all additional features are not really working as expected | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | tmobile is known to intercept http traffic though :/ | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: no t-mobile, I said this above | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually as long as I got a SIM (O2) in device, it works flawlessly as then it's using this gsm-agps thingie | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gsm-agps | 00:38 |
| infobot | i heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least on N900 | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ bbl | 00:39 |
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| hatake_kakashi | ~ggt | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err ggt? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf ggt | 04:14 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what ggt means... | 04:14 |
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| zeroproximity1 | what phones have people been able to hack to install maemo | 08:18 |
| hatake_kakashi | none | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | zeroproximity1: not legal | 08:27 |
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| Macer | so.. with hp firing this fool they just hired... | 08:57 |
| Macer | are they bringing back their mobile division? | 08:57 |
| Macer | maybe the tp has a future? | 08:57 |
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| woldrich | I just wanted to share with you this wonderful piece of software: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/msid | 09:47 |
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| cityLights | any news on the N9 front? | 09:57 |
| cityLights | I need help after upgrading the monav | 09:57 |
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| timmyt | how to install maemo-pan? it needs a depedency which is not available in the testing stable repositories in free and non free sections | 10:20 |
| woldrich | is there something like msid that's not maemo specific? | 10:28 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | is the maemo repo getting hammered or something | 10:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | apt is stuck on waiting for headers | 10:40 |
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| joga | hmm...since streaming video to vlc for example is possible with gst-launch, can it also add the microphone audio to the video stream? | 11:04 |
| joga | I'd like a audio+video stream from the phone, wondering if I can get both at the same time | 11:04 |
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| joga | this gives some hope... http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ | 11:09 |
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| joga | the picture is very poor quality but here's what I'm building... a junk bot with n900 as its brain :) so that's why I'd prefer a simple audio+video stream from it so I can drive it places and talk to people with espeak, heh: http://joga.daug.net/r1.jpg | 11:14 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 11:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've gotten mencoder to stream video | 11:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Wit the right setup, audio should work too | 11:15 |
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| joga | (insides: http://joga.daug.net/r3.jpg ) | 11:16 |
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| joga | SpeedEvil, I'm sure it's possible...just need to find the right commands to use :) | 11:16 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer of course has no hadware accel | 11:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally you'd want to use the hardware accel | 11:17 |
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| joga | I could live with maybe 320x240 resolution for video, as long as there's no big latency. I tried just the vlc video stream bit (with phonestream application) and it seemed to work alright, maybe 0.5-1.5 second lag | 11:18 |
| joga | of course would be nice to have it much lower but it's not that critical right now, this is just for demonstration purposes ;) | 11:18 |
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| joga | SpeedEvil, how did you do the stream with mencoder? | 11:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was a long time ago | 11:23 |
| joga | how does the receiver watch the video? | 11:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Frome memory something quite simple like mencoder tv:// |netcat | 11:24 |
| SpeedEvil | and mplayer on the other end of the pipe | 11:24 |
| joga | heh, figured :) | 11:24 |
| joga | well, I better look for some more info on how to combine audio and video...good to know that too | 11:25 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | I have something that requires libxml++2.6 >= 2.6.31 | 11:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but maemo only supplies 2.6.20 | 11:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | 26 actualy | 11:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, either A, compile the new version and submit it to the repo(and or get the current maintainer to do it), or include the needed bits of that library with your package | 11:42 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | I can try to backport a more recent libxml++ to the repo, sure | 11:43 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | yeah I dont think that will work, there are too many gnome dependencies on it, that'll probably break things | 11:54 |
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| cityLights | kindle fire looks promissing | 11:59 |
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| t7^ | time for my lil silly question | 12:04 |
| t7^ | i was reading "kernel-bfs" package details | 12:04 |
| t7^ | and it says "This package provides a flashable kernel image" | 12:04 |
| t7^ | how does it differ from the normal stock kernel which we can also flash using the flasher tool from the pc | 12:05 |
| t7^ | ? | 12:05 |
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| massoud | Hi there, my n900 got bricked during a "apt-get dist-upgrade" at "Removing hildon-initscripts..." when it decided to hard reboot | 13:00 |
| massoud | no when i hard boot, it loads the nokia splash screen and then hard shutdown | 13:01 |
| massoud | first time i got bricked after multiple dist-upgrade | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 13:01 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | In short - dist-upgrade is broken | 13:02 |
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| hatake_kakashi | you gotta love those `help me find the key for my locked N900' people posting on that same thread qwerty12 started ages ago with self help and users whom have a brain back then. The posts these days coming out of that same old thread is showing evidently more brainless users | 13:05 |
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| massoud | how can i fix my bricked-n900 now ? any maemo /nokia procedures to unbrick ? | 13:06 |
| hatake_kakashi | yeah reflash as SpeedEvil indicated just then | 13:06 |
| massoud | hatake_kakashi: any link to the flashing method indicated by hatake_kakashi ? | 13:07 |
| hatake_kakashi | massoud, read what infobot said? | 13:07 |
| hatake_kakashi | evidently the first thing SpeedEvil said that moment was a bot trigger | 13:08 |
| hatake_kakashi | massoud, fyi I have uninvited PM blocked by default :) | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a PM | 13:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | nvm | 13:10 |
| hatake_kakashi | SpeedEvil, you said you have rev 2101 N900 don't you? | 13:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - I don't remember if I did, but I do | 13:11 |
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| hatake_kakashi | just wondering, if you connect your N900 (rev 2101) to the wall charger (and wall charger is obviously powered on), do you get notification banner of device saying it is charging and it is not charging when you wiggle the cable up and down? | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | My USB port has fallen off, so no. | 13:14 |
| hatake_kakashi | crap :/ thanks | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | If the USB port is functional, and the cable is functional, wiggling should have no impact. | 13:15 |
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| hatake_kakashi | the N900 I picked up today is showing signs of that and I've got a bad feeling that the microUSB port might fall out soon | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Check for debris in the connector with a bright light and a magnifying glass | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it do the same with the PC port? | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you own a soldering iron? | 13:16 |
| hatake_kakashi | yeah that's what I suspect :| my two other N900 (rev 2204) doesn't show that, well one is getting old and I've seen it showing that a few times | 13:16 |
| hatake_kakashi | I haven't tried connecting to PC yet, I guess I should try that now, and no I don't have a proper soldering iron. I do have access to a soldering iron but its not useful for soldering fine components (its a flathead based soldering iron if that makes any sense). | 13:17 |
| massoud | SpeedEvil: what rev do you advice flashing for the debricking/flashing w/ your method ? | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | massoud: rev? | 13:18 |
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| hatake_kakashi | 20.2010.36-2 | 13:18 |
| hatake_kakashi | PR1.3 :p | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.3, yes | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | hatake_kakashi: It's possible for the charger plug to be dodgy too | 13:19 |
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| hatake_kakashi | SpeedEvil, I almost had a positive signs of that but with a fully charged N900 to test against, it doesn't show any sign of charger plug to be faulty. There's another funny sign with this newly acquired N900 with it showing it was fully charged, once momentarily unplugged from the charger and plugged back in it says its charging, hmm | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you have the green light, it's not fully charged | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It takes at least a couple of hours on the wallcharger, or 4 or so on PC, to fully charge all teh way | 13:23 |
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| hatake_kakashi | I did have the green light :) but as soon as I put pressure on the cable near the microUSB head that's connected to the N900 the green light goes off and once pressure is released it says its charging on the screen | 13:24 |
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| repr | hi | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | What if you don't move the cable | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Jsut the USB connector | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | the cable may also be faulty - try wiggling it while holding USB stable | 13:25 |
| hatake_kakashi | no effect | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ~usbfix | 13:26 |
| infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 13:26 |
| robbiethe1st | What kernel are you using, if I may ask? | 13:26 |
| hatake_kakashi | stock maemo kernel | 13:26 |
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| robbiethe1st | Ok, so likely not that. | 13:26 |
| hatake_kakashi | that's for the one that's having USB problems | 13:26 |
| robbiethe1st | Try wiping it and reinstalling; can't hurt. If that doesn't fix it, then see if you can't find someone who can re-solder it... /before/ it breaks | 13:27 |
| hatake_kakashi | I'm suspecting its a two part problem, one could be the microUSB port and the other could be with either high load or cheap battery in use (chinese clone) | 13:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Cause it should be just a matter of tapping each of the pins with a hot iron and re-flowing the existing solder. | 13:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Battery /could/, I suppose, but I haven't seen it. | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | The battery should not have any impact on wiggling the port | 13:28 |
| robbiethe1st | No, not on that | 13:28 |
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| hatake_kakashi | no not saying the battery is the issue (and I just checked the battery on the back of that N900, its genuine) with USB. It just seems that even for a brief second that the N900 was disconnected from the charger (when it wasn't to be honest) and then it was connected, it goes into charging state again, on the other two, they don't have this sort of problem | 13:30 |
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| repr | Just to be sure before I do it: to restore completely the N900 I do have to flash first the PR-1.3 image, and then the EMMC image; isn't it? | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | See the script at the bottom for more info | 13:32 |
| robbiethe1st | repr, you should only need to flash the PR-1.3 image. No need for the eMMC one | 13:32 |
| robbiethe1st | ...And you should actually do the EMMC one /first/, just to prevent screw-ups(if you reboot the device after flashing pr-1.3 and before eMMC, it will break) | 13:33 |
| robbiethe1st | (and need you to flash the PR-1.3 image again) | 13:33 |
| repr | well, I'd like to wipe everything robbiethe1st | 13:33 |
| hatake_kakashi | thanks SpeedEvil will try that momentarily, still testing to see if the wall charger plug is faulty (microUSB end) | 13:33 |
| robbiethe1st | In that case, flash eMMC, then PR-1.3 | 13:33 |
| repr | ok, so first EMMC, and then the rootfs | 13:34 |
| repr | thank you :) | 13:34 |
| hatake_kakashi | SpeedEvil, funny that, when I swap the charger from my other N900 with the one that has suspected microUSB problems, neither of the two devices show that they have the issue when I push on the microUSB head hard. When I swapped over the one that was having problems with it shows up the same issue yet again | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 13:36 |
| hatake_kakashi | robbiethe1st, heh I'm not particularly good with soldering and I don't really have the proper tool (apart from access to a flathead based soldering iron) | 13:36 |
| hatake_kakashi | interesting, device rebooted | 13:36 |
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| robbiethe1st | hatake_kakashi, I personally would go on the forums and ask and see if anyone would be willing to do it for you if you shipped it to them and, say, paid them $20 | 13:37 |
| robbiethe1st | ...Because once it breaks, it's a *lot* harder to fix. | 13:38 |
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| hatake_kakashi | robbiethe1st, bah that's gonna be awkward, was thinking of sourcing an electrician locally instead and watching him as he do it | 13:40 |
| robbiethe1st | That's an option, but perhaps find a phone-repair place? | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Electrician will not usually have the skills - you want someone familiar with board-level repair of PCBs | 13:40 |
| robbiethe1st | the contacts are /tiny/ | 13:40 |
| robbiethe1st | ^^ | 13:40 |
| hatake_kakashi | so in other words it'll be better to get some other maemo user to do it for you for a fee? :) heh this N900 does seem like its falling apart. The power button seems to be very sensitive and hard to push. | 13:43 |
| * hatake_kakashi smells lemon *sigh* | 13:43 | |
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| hatake_kakashi | oh and one of the torx screws is missing, I noted that to the seller | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Eh, you can get a whole body kit for it for about $15 | 13:48 |
| robbiethe1st | ...but you have to be careful and transfer the antennas from the old body | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd return a used device that pbviously got tampered with in a non-professional way | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that it's impossible even Nokia breaks power switches on repair | 14:16 |
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| hatake_kakashi | problem is whether or not will they give you N8/E7 in return | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they wouldn't even ponder to try that on me | 14:39 |
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| cityLights | ok, I dont see n9 on sale in amazon | 15:05 |
| cityLights | and I think Iwill wait for black friday | 15:05 |
| hatake_kakashi | before sourcing one from elsewhere? e.g. Mexico? | 15:06 |
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| ShadowJK | I thought it wasnt selling yet anywhere | 15:10 |
| hatake_kakashi | apparently some people already got their hands on N9 apart from those who got from Nokia directly | 15:10 |
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| hatake_kakashi | some French guy was visiting Malaysia and asked if anybody in France wanted N9 or something on tmo thread, then there's a few people asking bits and pieces of N9 in that N950/N9 sub-forum | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (There's another funny sign with this newly acquired N900 with it showing it was fully charged, once momentarily unplugged from the charger and plugged back in it says its charging, hmm) that's absolutely normal. Charging will restart on unplugging/replugging the charger, and it ends either on battery *really* high voltage, or charger chip needs some time to detect the charging current is below charge end threshold. So the more correct | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | behaviour is it will restart charging each time you plug in the charger, rather than telling "battery full" right away, which occasionally it also does | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also a "fully charged" notification doesn't mean charging actually stopped, it will continue trickle charging for quite some time iirc | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the "fully charged" notification (and switching from charging animation to battery-full icon, rsp from yellow-falshing to green steady light) is triggered by fuel gauge jumping to 100% according to what I seem to recall - charger chip however is still continuing charging @ a few 10s of mA for quite some time | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme is fun to analyze :-P | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and battery state messages bme sends to hal from where they go to e.g battery applet and indicator LED is mere guesswork | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | recently my t900 refused to charge (proven by custom charger indicator light not showing any current taken by the device), until I plugged it to PC. Not even battery-out for 2min changed the issue :-o | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's PK on my t900, but anyway | 16:17 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: did you see what openwrt guys did with n8x0 charging? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | there've been other reports of "twl4030 locks up in inoperative state, sticky across batery removal", during very early states of h-e-n R&D | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: nope, not at all. But then I got just a faint idea about n810 charging being a *real* mess | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and completely different to what is going on with N900 charging | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | also didn't know openWRT even dealt with N8x0 at all | 16:19 |
| kwtm | Is there any reason my microSD card on my n900 is considered a "read-only" file system? The mount command shows it mounted as "rw", and even chmodding a file to a+w and using root to rm doesn't work. Is there a physical "read-only" switch on the microSD, and could it have somehow physically changed to r/o mode while inside the N900? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and tbh I don't like much the idea of two dozen competing 'proprietary' kernels for a platform | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | we've seen what messing with kernel stuff by inexperienced "devels" can do, just one day ago | 16:22 |
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| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: what was one day ago? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | grep chanlog for bq27200 | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or read http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1100657&postcount=892 and follow the links in there | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: no switch | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: probably a I/O error or fs-corrupt, on which the card got remounted r/o | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: check syslog/dmesg | 16:26 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, maybe try inside desktop, just to check if it isn't sd card problem? | 16:26 |
| Estel_ | I've heard, that out-of-life sd cards act as read only, and hw controller doesnt allow writing anymore | 16:26 |
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| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I see. That may explain it: I was doing backup to microSD and I believe power ran low (not sure; while I wasn't watching, the N900 rebooted) so it may have been remounted. | 16:26 |
| Estel_ | to avoid data loss | 16:26 |
| Estel_ | but probably DocScrutinizer is right and it's just filesystem ;) | 16:27 |
| kwtm | Estel_: will try. Thx. | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably fs corrupt then | 16:27 |
| Estel_ | np | 16:27 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, why are You calling openwrt "propertiary" party? | 16:27 |
| Estel_ | afaik openwrt is well, open ;) | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | insert to your desktop PC, run fschk | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I know you all get upset when I call a custom thing that has open source "proprietary" | 16:29 |
| Estel_ | not really upset, just curious ;) | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so s/proprietary/fsckng-fork/ | 16:29 |
| kwtm | how do I check syslog? I am looking at /var/log but I just see a few small logs; am I looking for one of these? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | syslog | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | I just identify proprietary as non- open source compliant | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use dmesg, when you got no ksyslogd installed | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | aka derivatived from "property" ;) | 16:30 |
| * RST38h yawns | 16:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm using the word wrong | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | no problem | 16:30 |
| RST38h | So, gentlemen, what is new andexciting tonight? | 16:30 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, I need more of a hint. I tried "syslog" as a command, and also /syslog and /var/syslog, none of which exist. Should there be a /var/log/syslog? I'm not seeing it. | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | /var/log/syslog | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or command dmesg | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | syslog only exists if you installed the ksyslogd pkg | 16:31 |
| * Estel_ just wondered if he missed something about openwrt | 16:31 | |
| kwtm | Oh, I needed ksyslogd to install? I did do dmesg, so maybe I'll use that ... I was hoping the system logs would give more detail and let me be more selective. Anyway, I'll go with dmesg. | 16:31 |
| kwtm | Sounds like ksyslogd is useful. I'll install that shortly. | 16:32 |
| Estel_ | RST38h, it probably depends on what one is getting *ekhm* excited | 16:32 |
| Estel_ | or overexcited ;) | 16:32 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, just give us info how this ended, it's interesting | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Well, try me | 16:33 |
| kwtm | Btw, how is the 1.3.3.7 ... thing? (What is it called again? Community Additions to Operating System or something.) Half a year ago I installed the not-the-latest (v12? v13?) because there was a bug in the latest (v17? v18?) -- the oldest one that had landscape orientation lock (but not portrait). Any new versions in past half year? I am still digging through my notes to see where the web page is that lists the currently | 16:34 |
| kwtm | available versions. | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | "#maemo IRC daily news: page 1: kwtm got microSD card acting like read-only. This shocking story reveal, that card may even refuse to chmod from root!" | 16:34 |
| kwtm | "Tune in tomorrow for continuing coverage of what happened when kwtm turned the N900 off and then on!" | 16:34 |
| ruskie | lol | 16:35 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: https://github.com/slonopotamus/n8x0-overlay/blob/master/sys-kernel/n8x0-sources/files/900-n810-battery-management.patch | 16:35 |
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| Estel_ | "page 2: recent discoveries reveal that yawning on IRC isn't affecting other irc attenders. Scientist promised further research, with great help of RST38h, professional irc yawing bot" | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: thanks | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | yawning, probably. oh, well | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell kwtm about cssu | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | thanks slonopotamus, reading | 16:36 |
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| kwtm | Ah, cssu, yes, that was the keyword. | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | btw, DocScrutinizer, you remember discussion about polling i2cget and resource -intensivity of that? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | I've checked it a little, and off-line, locked phone with bq27200.sh 5 used 20-30 mA, while without it it eats 6-7 mA | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | well, probably can be fixed by stop refreshing (in case of battery applet) when not visible... | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, that proves what? | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | polling /sys/ output from goddamnit bq...ko result in 7-8 mA | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | running a shell script every 5s obviously will increase the power consumption of CPU | 16:40 |
| Estel_ | ok... You think that running i2c get via constant-on program won't produce high CPU wake-ups? | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and battery applet isn't supposed to do a once-per-5s polling, that's plain insane | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | once per 5 minutes is more like it | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | and stock battery applet, how often it check? | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Estel_: 30s I think | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's around there | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | thanks SpeedEvil | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | it works comletely different, event-driven based on bme reporting changes of battery charge | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | do a dbus-monitor and grep for err "battery" or "hal", and you'll see how it works | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: let me put it this way: how much could a battery change capacity in one minute? | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The minimal script above uses almost no extra power | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | I see. Ian--- m just wondering, current approach of advanced-battery-monitor doesn'5 influence power usuage (by measureable numbers) at all. | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | well, in range of measurement error, i.e ~1 mA | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it does, my results are completely in line with Estel_ 's | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 1mA is enough to be significant in terms of standby time | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | This isn't the full bq* script | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | I think how i2cget/dump method could be implemented to apm while retaining non-increased powerr consumption | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It reads only the average power measure | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | current measure | 16:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1mA may drop the standby time by a day | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: one readout of bq27200 via i2cbus every 30..60s is negligible | 16:45 |
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| Estel_ | i see | 16:45 |
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| kwtm | Is there a known bug where the floating point libraries are relocated or otherwise somehow broken? A lot of apps, when launched, simply disappear and/or never start (this includes previously working apps, like Maetronome and some others). I tried to run one such app from the command line (AsciiPortal), and it said "floating point exception" and quit. Is this fixed by updating my CSSU? | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there's basically no difference between i2cget doing that directly vs bq27200.ko doing that | 16:46 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, as for capacity, crappy 400 mAh replacement batteries are able to change capacity during 1 minutr quite a lot :P | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and bme does same way more often, like every 3s or sth | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | roger that | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | will report this forward to apm developer | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so using i2cget / i2cdump for acquiring the bq27200 register values is a nobrainer regarding power consumption and resource demand | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely no reason why an applet would depend on bq27200.ko and give up on running on standard kernel that doesn't provide that module | 16:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Technically, it might be nicer if the driver could do it magically, and spit out a value on a pipe or something every n seconds | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | even less a reason to get a broken bq27200.ko module that may kill your hardware | 16:49 |
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| Estel_ | apm got many options including bme value, but I'm interested in 100% correct readout via fuel gauge data (when properly calibrated) | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not 100% correct unless you're not using BME | 16:50 |
| Estel_ | hm? | 16:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | BME does not always shutdown at the same voltage | 16:50 |
| Estel_ | true, noticed that also | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Just most of the time | 16:50 |
| Estel_ | it was reason why many people were unable to calibrate | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm off, BBQ | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 16:51 |
| Estel_ | they did "something" that made bme shutdown before 15 sec on edv1 | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It 'always' shuts down as it hits EDV1 | 16:51 |
| Estel_ | bb DocScrutinizer | 16:51 |
| Estel_ | nope | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | but it may shut down earlier | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | And very rarely it doesn't | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | letting the device calibrate | 16:51 |
| Estel_ | in my case, many times I got running for solid few minutes after edv1 | 16:51 |
| kwtm | news leak: kwtm's mmc card worked properly after off/on cycle (but there's a news embargo on this for the presses until tomorrow) | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps it's a seperate trigger on low voltage from the modem which triggers it | 16:52 |
| Estel_ | maybe | 16:52 |
| kwtm | thx DocScrutinizer | 16:52 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, lol :) | 16:52 |
| ruskie | http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~adunn/pubs/malware-tpm.pdf <-- DocScrutinizer this might be of interest ;) | 16:52 |
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| Sicelo | edv1 = 3248, am i right? | 16:53 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, when You gradually lower current, near end of discharge - after discharing on high current for almost whole process - bme shut down much later | 16:53 |
| Estel_ | yea Sicelo | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 16:53 |
| Estel_ | I scratch my head about how it works | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe it's trying to estimate ESR | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | And make sure that it shuts down before the modem will die under transmit pulses | 16:54 |
| Estel_ | but I "discovered" this, while writing tutorial for fuel gauge calibration | 16:54 |
| Estel_ | maybe | 16:54 |
| kwtm | any opinions on the latest CSSU, v10.5 (which appears to be a bug fix update)? If no one says "there are a few bugs to iron out" I'll install it sometime later this week. | 16:54 |
| Sicelo | bme reaches that low on yours Estel_? i only reach that by 'stop bme' | 16:54 |
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| Estel_ | the strangest part is that without bme one can go as low as ~2850 mV | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, yes. | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: GOLDEN!! | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks a lot | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | i must check again on mine :) | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, once I got problem of vdq turning to 0 just when i stop bmr | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | bme* | 16:56 |
| Estel_ | so I was forced to develop calibration with bme | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: latest cssu OK | 16:56 |
| Estel_ | lately, problem dissapeared | 16:56 |
| kwtm | thx, DocScrutinizer; you were the one who had previously warned me that the latest (at the time, probably about 2 versions ago) you had problems with, so if you tell me the latest is ok, that reassures me. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | is 10.8 iirc | 16:56 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, You know what I've also observed? the higher capacity battery You have, the later bme (in terms of voltage) shut down device | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | x.8 anyway | 16:57 |
| Estel_ | with dual- scud 3000 mAh battery it's much easier to get edv1 | 16:57 |
| kwtm | I see only 10.5 on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog which was updated 2011-09-12, so if there's a later one (which appears to be more bugfix rather than new features --perfect for me), where would I get it? | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: pretty simple: bme shuts down on spikes tearing down battery to a certain threshld for sub-second duration, while what you see on bq27200 usually is averaged voltage. Higer capacity makes the "brownout" on surges less "deep" | 16:59 |
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| Estel_ | sounds sane | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: via OTA SSU you'll get the leatest, after installing 10.5 | 17:00 |
| Estel_ | Are You sure about tchis mechanism, or is it educated guesswork? | 17:00 |
| Estel_ | obtained while working on jrbme? | 17:00 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ok, so I'll just unpin the CSSU package and let it get the latest. Thx. | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | we had a rush-weekend where we got 10.5 .6 .7 .8 iirc | 17:01 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, You may be interested in this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell Sicelo about jrtools | 17:03 |
| Estel_ | ~tell Estel_ about jrtools | 17:03 |
| Sicelo | thanks. :) | 17:03 |
| Estel_ | does it work for self-tell? | 17:03 |
| Sicelo | i'm aware of your post, bookmarked a while ago :) | 17:04 |
| Sicelo | jrtool :/ the wiki page? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell Estel_ about query | 17:04 |
| Estel_ | thanks. Wasn't mean to self-advertise :P | 17:04 |
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| Estel_ | thanks DocScrutinizer. | 17:05 |
| Sicelo | not at all. i appreciate your work, all of u. bq27200 is the number 1 command i run as root | 17:05 |
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| kwtm | Aahhhhh, crap! Back to "read only file system". I wonder if that means my microSD card itself is corrupt? Crumm, and I spent a lot (at the time) to get the largest possible capacity, too. | 17:07 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I've seen that wiki page long time ago, but it state most of it is obsolete on PR1.3? | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uSD sometimes just age and break | 17:08 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, that card type is it? | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I updated it recently to make clear what's irrelevant for cssu | 17:08 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, are You also going to use 3000mAh battery? | 17:08 |
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| kwtm | !? and now it's not "read only file system" any more. I wonder if that error message is misleading, and it's just "some directories got switched to chmod -w" ? This is weird. Definitely there are some files now writable that weren't before, so definitely an improvement from before. Anyway, this is from a large rsync -v so all these error messages are scrolling past at about 3 lines a second. :P | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afk | 17:09 |
| kwtm | Estel_: Do you mean what brand? Can't remember, think I got it from Hong Kong (some Japanese brand, not one of those cheap imitations). | 17:10 |
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| Estel_ | Sicelo, if yes, I strongly advice to. It's funny how industry want slimmer and smaller devices. I bless my Mugen Cover not only because room for 3000mAh battery, photo-tripod mount etc, but also while writing, even here, on IRC. | 17:10 |
| Estel_ | using N900 hardware keyboard is *much* more comfortable with mugen cover | 17:10 |
| Estel_ | additional thickness is really, really pros here | 17:11 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, I see. and capacity? | 17:11 |
| kwtm | Estel_: What is mugen cover? I have an otter case which seems very robust. Is mugen a cover for the keyboard (which is starting to get scratched). | 17:11 |
| Estel_ | no no. Mugen Cover is custom backcover for N900 | 17:11 |
| kwtm | Estel_: capacity = 16GB (I remember it was the largest possible at the time, but still only half the size of N900's memory) | 17:11 |
| Estel_ | it replaces N900backcover | 17:12 |
| Estel_ | You know, You got battery, SD sim etc under it | 17:12 |
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| Estel_ | maninly, it allow You to use DIY dual-batteries, preferably dual-scud = 3000 mAh of real capacity | 17:13 |
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| Estel_ | some, including me, did other mods too - for example, I inserted mount point for tripod | 17:13 |
| kwtm | Estel_: So you're replacing part of the original n900. I see. Worthwhile? My otter just goes over the n900, so it's slightly bigger but imho has much more damage protection. Also has a top cover, too, and nice covers for the USB port, audio plug hole, etc. | 17:13 |
| Estel_ | so I can place my N900 on every standard camera tripod, for taking photos | 17:13 |
| Estel_ | mugen cover isn't about protection at all | 17:14 |
| Estel_ | You can use some otter cover with it, if N900 with mugen cover fit | 17:14 |
| kwtm | Estel_: Seriously!? Tripod for N900? Actually, I'm more interested in the additional battery. So it must be somewhat thicker, and ... what, there's another port to allow you to plug in a 2nd battery? | 17:14 |
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| Estel_ | no no. You just solder 2 batteries in parallel | 17:14 |
| kwtm | I can't seem to find the right google keywords. Is there a product number? | 17:14 |
| Estel_ | sec | 17:14 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 - don't be scarred by Behemot size of this thread, all info is indexed in first 3 posts | 17:15 |
| Sicelo | Estel_: now u are advertising :P ;) | 17:16 |
| Sicelo | i would like to have it, yes. :) | 17:16 |
| Estel_ | and yea, I use tripod, photography took by N900 is great with it | 17:16 |
| BCMM | there exist phone holders with a tripod mounts | 17:16 |
| Estel_ | hehe, Sicelo, this is dr_frost_dk thread :P | 17:17 |
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| Estel_ | BCMM, true, but they are insanely expensive | 17:17 |
| Estel_ | huge | 17:17 |
| Estel_ | and most of the times compatible with only few phones | 17:17 |
| hakkattakk | hello | 17:17 |
| Sicelo | i only wonder how much it would cost by the time its delivered to me here in Swaziland.. | 17:18 |
| Estel_ | With tripod mount point inside N900 cover I can just use pocket-size tripod and carry it everywhere, or, for special ocassions, full-fledged big tripod | 17:18 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, it depends if You "dare" to solder it on Your own, or donate someone to do so | 17:18 |
| Estel_ | still, it's much cheaper than 2300mAh Mugen Battery, and must better, cause 300 mAh ;) | 17:19 |
| Estel_ | personally, I've modifed Mugen Cover to also contain camera lens cover, which work like stock cover | 17:19 |
| Estel_ | also to be found on dr_frost_dk thread | 17:19 |
| * Sicelo re-reads the thread | 17:19 | |
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| Estel_ | i.e when You open custom camera cover, N900"know" that, like with stock cover | 17:20 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, it's funny to see low battery warning, while You have 60 % of standard nokia battery left (700 mAh) | 17:21 |
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| Estel_ | with 3000 mAh battery, uptimes are awesome | 17:21 |
| Estel_ | not to mention less battery wear, due to half of current used from every cell | 17:21 |
| kwtm | Estel_: Wow, thx for that post. I like how the nominally "1920" mAh had 800mAh. :P | 17:21 |
| Estel_ | after half of year of use, I still got more than 3000mAh capacity | 17:22 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, yea | 17:22 |
| Estel_ | Ho ever, scud batteries adveristing 1400 mAh got 1520, lol | 17:22 |
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| Estel_ | basically, two batteries are worth considering. Scuds for top performace and quite good price, and "christgifts" with 1200 mAh but toally cheap price and best price/capacity ratio | 17:23 |
| Estel_ | capacity/price, rather | 17:23 |
| Estel_ | personally, I use Scuds | 17:23 |
| hakkattakk | I have just switched from my iPhone to a n900 (will get it next week) and just want to know if it is possible to show the calendar in the lockscreen on hte n900? | 17:23 |
| Estel_ | dual-scud to be precise | 17:24 |
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| hakkattakk | I have found some another nice apps for maemo but I can´t find anything that shows the calendar on the lockscreen. | 17:24 |
| Sicelo | not on stock n900 hakkattakk | 17:24 |
| Estel_ | hakkattakk, there is package qtlockscreen | 17:24 |
| Estel_ | it allow You to modify whatever ou want | 17:24 |
| Estel_ | on lockscreen | 17:24 |
| hakkattakk | nice! | 17:24 |
| hakkattakk | I have looked in the theard but didn´t found anything about calendar though | 17:24 |
| Sicelo | oh, lol, i ended up uninstalling it without playing enough | 17:24 |
| Estel_ | and welcome on the light side of the Force :P | 17:24 |
| hakkattakk | Estel_: Thanks ;) | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | I also don't use it, for me lcokscreen is enough with showing hour and date :P | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | for everything else I unlock device | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, for me qtlockscreen use too much memory, but most people wan't even notice | 17:26 |
| kwtm | hakkattakk: You're getting yours used, right? I want to know if Nokia's still selling these --I'm thinking about getting a second one for when the first N900 fails, because so far no one else is coming out with a hackable phone. Think Meego ran out of gas, and the hinted-at super Samsung Linux Phone ain't happening. Wife got an iPad which is way too locked down so I don't want an iPhone, so I'm stuck between praying for a decent | 17:26 |
| kwtm | Android and having a backup Real Linux phone. | 17:26 |
| Sicelo | yeah, that's another reason i uninstalled it | 17:26 |
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| Estel_ | kwtm, definitelly not Android | 17:26 |
| Estel_ | almost every program there is adware | 17:26 |
| hakkattakk | kwtm: Yeah, I bought it as used | 17:26 |
| Estel_ | not my world, definitelly | 17:27 |
| MoonTiger | kwtm, i'm selling my n900 if you're interested | 17:27 |
| Sicelo | how many u have MoonTiger ? | 17:27 |
| Estel_ | honestly, I would never buy N900 from TMO user - here we know for too goodvalue of N900 | 17:27 |
| MoonTiger | 2 currently | 17:27 |
| MoonTiger | only need one | 17:27 |
| hakkattakk | btw, I bought mine for 130$ | 17:27 |
| Estel_ | I bought mine n ideal condition for ~140$ | 17:27 |
| hakkattakk | or 900kr (sek) | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | was never ever flashed with custom kernel | 17:28 |
| hakkattakk | same with mine | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | foil on screen from new etc | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | nice :) | 17:28 |
| hakkattakk | yeah | 17:28 |
| hakkattakk | Maemo does really looks like a nice OS | 17:28 |
| kwtm | Actually I was thinking the same thing ... one thing to buy from iPhone dweeb who doesn't know how to use N900; another thing to buy from someone in this channel --if you're selling it, what's wrong with it? | 17:28 |
| kwtm | $130-$140 is US dollars? | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | well, based on Debian, so i mujst be ;) | 17:28 |
| MoonTiger | kwtm, nothing | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | yes kwtm | 17:29 |
| Sicelo | lol, true about TMO Estel_ . i know 2 people with N900 here, but just using them as nice phones. when time is right, i'll persuade them to hand them over :P | 17:29 |
| Estel_ | in fact I've payed on PLN, that's why I told about ~ calculation | 17:29 |
| kwtm | Sicelo: Good move --the longer you wait, the more it devalues. :) | 17:29 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, lucky guy You're :P | 17:29 |
| kwtm | MoonTiger: How much are you selling it for? | 17:29 |
| hakkattakk | so where are you from? anyone from Sweden? | 17:29 |
| Estel_ | BTW, I strongly advice everyone to pre- fix USB port | 17:30 |
| MoonTiger | kwtm, 200 euros with a few extra batteries and ext charger | 17:30 |
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| kwtm | Estel_: How? Are even the later models fragile? | 17:30 |
| Sicelo | there's still 2 new ones in a shop here, but i don't have enough money yet | 17:30 |
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| Estel_ | kwtm, it's fragile by design, more or less | 17:31 |
| MoonTiger | oh and no wobble on the usn at all | 17:31 |
| MoonTiger | looks solid as a rock | 17:31 |
| MoonTiger | usb | 17:31 |
| kwtm | Sicelo: Really!?? Where are you , what shop, and how much are the selling it for? I hope it's not still the US$650 list price... | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | I'll search for appropriate usb | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | not usb | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | tmo thread i mean :P | 17:31 |
| Sicelo | usd 500. Swaziland, Africa. although u can negotiate your way | 17:32 |
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| hakkattakk | tmo? | 17:33 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 | 17:33 |
| Estel_ | there is everything You want tos know about fixing port before, and after it's too late | 17:33 |
| MoonTiger | yah i have never charged mine with usb ... always ext charger | 17:34 |
| Estel_ | soldering to PCB internal cooper layer + epoxing around is best, IMO | 17:34 |
| hakkattakk | I guess TMO = Talk.Maemo.Org? | 17:34 |
| Estel_ | yea | 17:34 |
| hakkattakk | :) | 17:34 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, don't buy it for 500 USD | 17:34 |
| Estel_ | where You can for 200on ebay without problems | 17:35 |
| hakkattakk | do you really need to use the USB-port that often? | 17:35 |
| MoonTiger | hakkattakk, depends if you need to chage with it | 17:35 |
| MoonTiger | charge | 17:35 |
| Estel_ | it's rather about that You need it in case of reflash | 17:35 |
| hakkattakk | isn´t there an SSH-server or something for it? | 17:35 |
| Estel_ | data transfer is also nive, but can be achieved via wifi | 17:35 |
| kwtm | MoonTiger: How can I contact you by email regarding the n900? I need to verify from the billing department that this purchase will be covered by the "education" budget. | 17:35 |
| Estel_ | also, there is USB hostmode | 17:36 |
| Estel_ | which is a must for me | 17:36 |
| Estel_ | hakkattakk, there is ssh of course | 17:36 |
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| hakkattakk | so you can use a USB-flashdrive in the phone? | 17:36 |
| Estel_ | but if You would like to connect pendrive, DVD writer or whatever You need usb | 17:36 |
| hakkattakk | with an adapter ofc | 17:37 |
| Estel_ | of course | 17:37 |
| hakkattakk | cool | 17:37 |
| Estel_ | thanks to awesome H-E-N team | 17:37 |
| Estel_ | not only pendrive | 17:37 |
| hakkattakk | awesome | 17:37 |
| Estel_ | every USB device, if only available linux drivers/modules are available | 17:37 |
| Estel_ | mind You, it was community effort to bring it. Nokians claimed hostmode is impossible. | 17:38 |
| amiconn | Also usb data transfer is orders of magnitude faster than wifi | 17:38 |
| Estel_ | true | 17:38 |
| Estel_ | btw, when You need to print something, and no wifi printers are around | 17:38 |
| amiconn | Btw, I wonder why lshal on the N900 shows me an ethernet module | 17:38 |
| Estel_ | You just use Easy Debian and usb regular printer :P | 17:39 |
| hakkattakk | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-USB-Female-Micro-USB-5-Pin-Male-Adapter-Cable-/130573593051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e66cae9db | 17:39 |
| hakkattakk | will that one work? | 17:39 |
| Estel_ | because there is and ethernet module. | 17:39 |
| hakkattakk | microUSB -> USB adapter | 17:39 |
| Estel_ | probably, but You can also use regular N900USB cable + female-to-female adapter | 17:40 |
| amiconn | What's connected there? It's obviously not exposed... | 17:40 |
| Estel_ | this is small part, and no need to carry 2 cables around | 17:40 |
| amiconn | (to the ethernet in case that was unclear) | 17:40 |
| Estel_ | amiconn, maybe we're talking about different things. I mean that in power kernel there is ethernet module, to use usb-to-etherneet adapters | 17:41 |
| hakkattakk | I guess I will order that adapter then | 17:41 |
| Estel_ | this way You can connect N900 to ethernet network | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 17:41 |
| infobot | i heard usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 17:41 |
| hakkattakk | it was really cheap | 17:41 |
| amiconn | I'm talking about a driver for the omap ethernet module | 17:41 |
| Estel_ | amiconn, no idea sorry | 17:41 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, not quite true about epoxy - Your own idea of epoxy glued only to port + cables is also great | 17:42 |
| Estel_ | would be *ideal* if not for requiment of de-soldering usb port first | 17:42 |
| amiconn | /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_smc91x | 17:43 |
| Estel_ | hey, sun is going too fast here :( | 17:43 |
| Estel_ | it was before nun just while ago, and I'm closing to twilight now. | 17:43 |
| Estel_ | unfair. | 17:43 |
| Estel_ | Summer should last 9 months | 17:43 |
| Estel_ | 8' in dire need of sunlight | 17:44 |
| Estel_ | I'm* | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: yep, it's the only way to use epoxy (putty) with USB | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | all other ideas to use epoxy to glue it to PCB are - imho - nonsense | 17:45 |
| amiconn | lsmod also shows smc91x | 17:45 |
| Estel_ | dont' forget about epoxy types that are less elastic than solder. But yes, I agree soldering is best. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and actually ruin the device | 17:45 |
| Estel_ | I can't dissagree :P | 17:45 |
| Estel_ | still, I've never heard of anyone having broken port even after *only* epoxy solution, so it may be working nonsense. Anyway, I go for soldering any day | 17:46 |
| Estel_ | I also think many people are carefully pulling their usb pkug, but forget about carefully putting it on place, first | 17:47 |
| Estel_ | btw somehow I think one buying N900's with broken ports, fixing it DocScrutinizer cable-epoxy way and selling on TMO could raise a small fortune. | 17:48 |
| Estel_ | well, there already is one guy on ebay that buy hundreds of N900's for quite uncertain reasons ;) | 17:48 |
| Estel_ | "meantime, group of last existing N900's, striking the Empire from hidden base..." | 17:49 |
| Estel_ | "...with their unique technology of infrared transmitters..." | 17:50 |
| Estel_ | You can't imagine how I *love* to turn off annoying TV's in bar or waiting longues in some places | 17:50 |
| Estel_ | in bars* | 17:50 |
| Estel_ | I bless TVBGone! developer. | 17:51 |
| MoonTiger | lol | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | eventually I'll come up with my sekrit ACME IR-LED booster | 17:51 |
| Estel_ | hehe | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | only for really smart DIY electro-fiddlers | 17:52 |
| Estel_ | by the way I was wondering for some "attachement" that, when inserted, would make infrare beam less focused, like in tv pilots | 17:52 |
| Estel_ | N900 IR is great, also in terms of power, but need very carefull aiming | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | thenit'll be even weaker | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it actually is very weak, in my book | 17:53 |
| joga | hmm...wonder when was the last time I actually used an IR port.. | 17:53 |
| Estel_ | hm, I found that I can turn off things from much further than most pilots, but I can'5 turn it off even from 5 meters if aimed not precisely | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: possible | 17:53 |
| Estel_ | in my book it's very focused. While alligned correctly, it can turn off tv in another building, through open window | 17:54 |
| Estel_ | windows* | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could try all kinds of diffusors atached to the IR window, for testing | 17:54 |
| Estel_ | but need almost sniper rifle aiming | 17:54 |
| MoonTiger | gotta do some work ... later guys :) | 17:54 |
| Estel_ | yea | 17:54 |
| Estel_ | thought exactly about that | 17:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer off for BBQ now, for good | 17:54 | |
| Estel_ | see ya Mooniger | 17:54 |
| Estel_ | bye DocScrutinizer | 17:55 |
| Estel_ | BTW I must finally finish my external antenna mod :P | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | I want BBQ :/ | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | Fast scroll is something we need to add to libhildon btw | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | it's kinda awesome | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | my fsckng 2G GPRS doesn't work no more :-( Seems my carrier thoroughly fsckd up the DHCP | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or routing, or APN, or... | 18:01 |
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| ShadowJK | Sometimes going offline mode 15 minutes helps | 18:12 |
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| MohammadAG | helps what? | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://forum.o2online.de/t5/o2-Netz/2g-GPRS-Ausfall-in-22399-Hamburg/td-p/154614 | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | not Hamburg here, but same issue | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | which literally SUCKS (my battery on 3G) | 18:15 |
| hakkattakk | is there some must-have things for n900? Like CSSU or something? Maybe dualboot with NITdroid? | 18:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | hakkattakk: 2g-3g switcher, flashlight, cuteexplorer, ssh-client+server | 18:18 |
| Sicelo | i doubt Nitdroid counts :P | 18:18 |
| Sicelo | backupmenu is another must-have | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | load applet | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - load applet | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 18:19 |
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| hakkattakk | http://uploaded.prylforumet.se/upload3/apps.txt | 18:25 |
| hakkattakk | I made a list, I guess it cover most of the "must-have" apps | 18:25 |
| amiconn | Estel_: Thank's for the tip! tvbegone is certainly fun... tested it only on my own tv so far though | 18:26 |
| hakkattakk | how about Cordia, does anyone use it here? | 18:26 |
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| Sicelo | Estel_: i'm still thinking about your words here -- I've checked it a little, and off-line, locked phone with bq27200.sh 5 used 20-30 mA, while without it it eats 6-7 mA | 19:14 |
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| Sicelo | only process being bq.. or doing other i2c things as well? | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | it causes phone to wake up much more often | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | for quite long period of times | 19:15 |
| Sicelo | and how do u test current draw without bq..? | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | time* | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | Sicelo: a meter? | 19:15 |
| Sicelo | ok :P | 19:16 |
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| ShadowJK | You take one reading with "./bq27200.sh", wait 10 hours, take another reading, and note the difference in nominal available capacity, divide by 10 | 19:29 |
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| strangr | how do i check whethr lens cover is open or closed? | 19:53 |
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| strangr | how do i code that in qt | 19:53 |
| strangr | with respect to n900 | 19:54 |
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| massoud | SpeedEvil: n900 debricked w/ 1.3 rev from the maemo repo | 20:12 |
| massoud | but still something weird, the MyDocs/.sounds directory seems to have disappeared | 20:13 |
| strangr | massoud ?? | 20:14 |
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| massoud | i believe there is a fs corruption on my mmc card :( | 20:16 |
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| massoud | the MyDocs/.sounds is from the internal memory or the mmc card for the n900 ? | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | massoud: :) | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | massoud: internal | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I think | 20:21 |
| massoud | SpeedEvil: so there is a fs corruption on my internal storage ? | 20:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | .sounds is presented in the UI as the localised version | 20:24 |
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| uhsf | Meltemi? | 20:25 |
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| Sicelo | does anybody else's bluetooth come on automatically on boot, if it wa off at shutdown? | 20:26 |
| Sicelo | i don't have anything, afaik, that switches it on like that, but it happens :/ | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | Sicelo: I never had that happen | 20:28 |
| Sicelo | i noticed it since a week ago, and it's consistent | 20:29 |
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| amiconn | Sicelo: Updating cssu causes the inverse for me. It always disables bluetooth and doesn't re-enable it afterwards :\ | 20:44 |
| * amiconn usually keeps bluetooth permanently enabled | 20:44 | |
| Sicelo | lol, ok | 20:44 |
| Sicelo | i'm just on PK47 here, and been on it a while. this bt thing is a bit new | 20:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | is there a way to get gcc 4.4 on the maemo 5 scratchbox? | 20:47 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or is there a better solution? | 20:47 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | there appears to be a gcc 4.6 in extras-devel, but I dont see an armel version | 20:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | plus scratchbox needs its own toolchain | 20:50 |
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| timmyt | i want to install maemo-pan but it needs a dependency.where to get that? i couldn't find that. please guide me | 20:51 |
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| Sicelo | what is the dependency? | 20:58 |
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| guylhem_ | hello | 20:59 |
| hakkattakk | hi guylhem_ | 21:00 |
| guylhem_ | is there a way to add an even to a calendar by shell script ? | 21:00 |
| guylhem_ | or anything easily scriptable? | 21:00 |
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| timmyt | sicelo: maemo-pan: Depends: bluez-utils (>= 3.22-0osso2) Depends: libicd-network-dummy but it is not installable | 21:01 |
| Sicelo | check devel for that.. | 21:02 |
| guylhem_ | Sicelo: #maemo-devel? | 21:02 |
| timmyt | fremantle? | 21:02 |
| guylhem_ | yes PR1.3 | 21:02 |
| timmyt | who r u talking to? | 21:02 |
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| guylhem_ | timmyt: i thought you asked if I was running fremantle | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | :P | 21:03 |
| timmyt | lol | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | i meant u , timmyt | 21:03 |
| timmyt | oh.ok | 21:04 |
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| ShadowJK | Are you trying to install a Maemo4 package in Maemo5? | 21:04 |
| timmyt | shadowjk: me? | 21:05 |
| guylhem_ | I want to create a hack/script/app/whatever doing loine calltrack on the droid, the only thing I miss: adding call log to the calendar. I think I understand how to extract the call log. Now adding to the calendar is something else. | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | :P, yes, he means u timmyt | 21:05 |
| timmyt | idk guys. im running maemo 5 and i found it in repositories | 21:06 |
| NIN101 | guylhem_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Calendar_database | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | seems like maemo-pan package is broken | 21:08 |
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| timmyt | so how can i share internet on mobile wirh my laptop? | 21:10 |
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| Sicelo | timmyt: install libicd-network-null instead | 21:16 |
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| ShadowJK | Seems the failing dependency is bluez-utils >= 3.22-0osso2.. There's "bluez" already installed at >4.0 version, which provides "bluez-utils" | 21:17 |
| * ShadowJK shrugs | 21:17 | |
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| timmyt | sicelo is that available in devel? | 21:19 |
| timmyt | and what can i do for bluez? | 21:19 |
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| Sicelo | dunno about bluez. but lib-network-null is in devel | 21:20 |
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| timmyt | isn't there any other way for sharing internet? | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | network-dummy, according to USB Networking wiki, is in Nokia Fremantle repositories, which, i suppose,i SDK tools | 21:21 |
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| timmyt | what about DUN? | 21:22 |
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| Sicelo | u want to share your 2g/3g connection with your pc? | 21:25 |
| Sicelo | or pc/lan with your N900? | 21:25 |
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| timmyt | 2G with my pc | 21:26 |
| amiconn | You can use wifi tethering. The free solution ("Mobile hotspot") doesn't support wpa or wpa2 though, so it's not optimal | 21:26 |
| NIN101 | or USB networking... | 21:26 |
| timmyt | is there any wiki page for these methods? | 21:27 |
| NIN101 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 21:28 |
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| Sicelo | timmyt: just connecting your device to laptop as a modem is enough for what u say u want | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | bluetooth-dun also works | 21:31 |
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| timmyt | ive tried dun through blueman, it made a connection but didn't connect the pc to the inernet | 21:35 |
| amiconn | Doesn't bluetooth-dun pass the connection rather than sharing it? I.e the N900 won't be able to use it while dun is active? | 21:35 |
| timmyt | let me try usb networking | 21:35 |
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| * Sicelo doubt usb networking is going to help | 21:38 | |
| Sicelo | i use it for sharing my LAN connectiong with N900, if i don't have haccess to wifi | 21:38 |
| timmyt | shit, so what can i do? | 21:38 |
| timmyt | :-( | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | amiconn: ys | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DialUpNetwork just exposes the AT interface to the modem | 21:41 |
| timmyt | DocScrutinizer: do you know how to use dun? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just configure a new "dialup connection (modem)" on the machine that is using the DUN pairing | 21:42 |
| timmyt | i've tried to use blueman in debian 6 but it didn't work | 21:42 |
| timmyt | im not using windows | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically DUN is like plugging in a modem to the "other PC" USB host port | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're not using windoze, then you need to use whatever tool your distro offers to manage modems - DUN is just another modem | 21:44 |
| timmyt | u mean i should connect the phone through usb cable? | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, I didn't say that | 21:46 |
| Sicelo | timmyt: just connecting your device to laptop as a modem is enough for what u say u want | 21:46 |
| timmyt | what do u mean connecting as a modem? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki modem | 21:46 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modem (URL), Wikipedia explains: " {{pp-move-indef}} {{refimprove|date=October 2010}} A 'modem' ('mo'dulator-'dem'odulator) is a device that modulates an analog carrier signal to encode digital information, and also demodulates such a carrier signal to decode the transmitted information. The goal is to produce a signal that can be transmitted easily and decoded to reproduce the original digital data. Modems can be used ... | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | modems can connect via RS232 (classic way), via USB (modern way), via BT-DUN (geek way), via TCP/IP and even via centronics | 21:48 |
| Sicelo | timmyt: i meant, quickest way is to connect with your cable, chooose PC suite mode, and debian will immediately seee a modem | 21:48 |
| timmyt | let me try | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | linux talks to *all* modems via /dev/tty* | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it always talks "AT" to them | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | (unless it's a GDI modem) | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a DSL modem | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, those usually use PPPoE | 21:51 |
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| timmyt | it wworkde it worked | 21:51 |
| timmyt | tnx to sicelo | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | timmyt: it woukd work exactly same way via BT-DUN | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT == USB, for modem | 21:52 |
| Sicelo | nah, it's just a standard thing. just make sure u have enough on your data plan :P | 21:52 |
| timmyt | it's ok. i can use 2GB for a month | 21:54 |
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| amiconn | Hmm, maemo-pan is indeed not installed due to broken dependencies | 22:07 |
| amiconn | s/installed/installable/ | 22:07 |
| infobot | amiconn meant: Hmm, maemo-pan is indeed not installable due to broken dependencies | 22:07 |
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| Sicelo | ~wiki Nokia N900 | 22:08 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox information appliance | title = Nokia N900 | image = | manufacturer = Nokia | type = Mobile Internet device, handheld computer and smartphone | media = microSD/microSDHC card{{cite press release|title=Maemo 5 injects speed and power into mobile computing|url=http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594|date=27 August 2009|publisher=Nokia ... | 22:08 |
| Sicelo | ~commands | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~tell Sicelo about help | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | ~/win 21 | 22:40 |
| Sicelo | gosh | 22:40 |
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| jargon- | what is the Freemantle Extras repo? | 23:21 |
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| Estel_ | amiconn, sorry for late answer -* no problem, glad You've enjoyed it | 23:59 |
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