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| Estel_ | ping idont | 02:17 |
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| Estel_ | ~seen idont | 02:17 |
| infobot | idont <~iDont@j138215.upc-j.chello.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 37m 9s ago, saying: 'Hehe, I've been asked to come down to a friend's house about two hours ago :-P. Seems like I should get going too. Have a nice weekend all!'. | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | ping ShadowJK | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | hello | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | hi there. Could You please tell me, if one of symtoms from bq27200 module ioccuping i2c exclusively | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | is that i2cget can't access it? | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | damn, something went wrong with mainstream kernel-bfs update | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | heh. Is bq27..... .ko loaded? | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | it seems that hotfix 'forced' by DocScrutinizer for disabling dangerous paths completely, did exactly reverse | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | yea, from start, without echoing magic | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | Well... | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | it just works out of the box (flawlessly, but stil...):P | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | the funniest thing is that in bfs6 it worked well, but in bfs7 aimed to kill it, it work out of box | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | If bq2xxxx.ko is loaded, then nothing from userspace can access the same address on i2c | 02:21 |
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| ShadowJK | (except if it was opened before the kernel module was loaded) | 02:22 |
| Estel_ | I know I may be asking noobish question, but how bme can work in such conditions? i5's out of userspace? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme gets started before bq27200.ko is loaded | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | What happens is: bme starts, opens i2c-dev for bq27200 address. Then, the kernel module is loaded and acquires bq27200 address. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop bme; start bme -> problems start | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: actually that's another bug in that module, no? Shouldn't it either refuse to load, or kill all filehandles that are open at i2c-2 ? | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | It's probably not the responsibility of the module | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | i understand but one thing makes me wonder | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | while using kp46-47, with module autoloaded | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | and trying to hotswap DocScrutinizer way | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | i was disabling and enabling bme | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably it should make /dev/i2c-2 return -EBLOCKED or sth for all ioctl operations to the addr 0x55 | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | without any problems, with bq...0.ko loaded | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | how it's even possible? | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | should't i get instant reboot? | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | or infamous patch prevent that? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | those had the check commented out so no open() to any I2C-2 would fail ever | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | I hope we are correct with diagnosis of problem, because I warned people in bfs thread about current version behavior. Otherwise, I'm spreading good-will FUD ;P | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S been the infamous patch, yes | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | Frankly, it all needs a reading of the omap3 i2c driver, to see what happens if i2c-dev and bqxxxx.ko tries to submit requests simultaneously. IF it ends up as two simultaneous bitbangs, then very very bad, and random, things can happen. If the driver has arbitration and queueing, then at most the worst that happens is that the device that is being accessed gets confused (which in the case of bq27200 isn't entirely catastrophic)... | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | and by "submit requests simultaneously", I do not mean "open device simultaneously" | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | :P any way of checking that? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: scheduler further mitigates the real-life problems, but it doesn't cure the basic problem. Also note carefully that this nasty nasty evil hack disabled locking for ALL i2c-dev | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | I would love to check it once for all and settle this. If it really result in simultaneous bitbangs, I would love to not use it and advocate not doing so everywhere. | 02:30 |
| ShadowJK | do we have any i2c bus on any behind-battery test pads..? | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | ...erm, so maybe little rewrite, to make it disabling lock only for particular i2c-dev ? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so odds are there are concurrent and thus colliding accesses to e.g PMU cpu regulators | 02:31 |
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| Estel_ | I recall something related ti i2c and testpads, but DocScrutinizer probably will know it for sure | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | I don't really understand the kernel i2c stack enough | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the patch was pretty simple to understand: it basically just commented out the >> return(-EAGAIN); << line | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | from i2c-dev | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | so, DocScrutinizer, would it be good thing to rewrite this path, to allow it only disabling lock for certain i2c-devs? | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I mean I don't have a grasp of the rest of the i2c stack :P | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it shouldn't mess with i2c-locking mechanism at all. The bq27200 driver needs moving around of a few lines - those who lock and unlock the i2c bus | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | I'm trying to accure information how this could be done right way... Maybe I would be able to buggy someone for fix, if it is not heavy work | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably author of bq27200.ko is the one you should pester about it | 02:35 |
| Estel_ | I wonder if colin.stephane ir freemangordon could write fix for it. Colin seemed especially interested in bq module. | 02:35 |
| Estel_ | this is maemo-specific thing, isnt it? | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | due to bme? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think fmg is competent to implement that fix, yes | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | I really regret that I'm not competent | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | would be great to end this f*ckin saga. I was never dissed so many times due to some line-commented-out thing :P | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: that'S the problem, it's not particularly maemo specific. The patch applies to any linux, and will "work" everywhere, while you see similar "problems" like the bme-lock of i2c in 1000s of shades on arbitrary platforms | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | I see. | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | erm, so our fix may be even included mainstream? great ;) | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | we just need it done :( | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | so, if I understand it correctly, there are two options for us inside Maemo - fix this module, or buggy advanced-power-monitor author to implement i2cget method of accessing info, with correct opening and closing i2c, yes? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | so any semi-(in)competent "devel" anywhere facing a similar problem of i2c bus locked by a module and he wants to access the chip directly, could decide to port that """fix""" to another platform, and eventually you bet the knowledge of collision problems won't migrate with the patch | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, those are the 2 options | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | which one seems to be quicker/better for us, particullary? | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | by logic i think second one? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | fix bq27200 module is the better way | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | that would make bq module unneeded at all? | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | so, logic failed eh ;P | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | for widespread linux, of course it's better, that's why asked about "us" in Maemo, particullary. | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | using i2cget or i2cdump in advanced-power-monitor is the much faster way though | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and will work even on stock kernel | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | I will buggy 412b then, and meanwhile also buggy colin and freeman | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | the worst thing is that I don't understand difference between i2cget method and i2cdump one | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, the one fetches one register, the dump does a dump of all registers | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | and I don't have heart to ask overprojected guys like You and ShadowJK to talk with him. So I'll advocate some method without knowing it well :/ | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | which one is less resource-intensive for thing that need refresh once for few seconds? | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | just send him here, we are all available for a short chat | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | Yea, I know. Will try. | 02:45 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, basically it's all design around the premise that if you have a bq27200.ko driver, then everythign that needs information from bq27200 hardware should talk to that driver. So there are poor (or none at all) locking methods for the driver in the kernel to use... | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if this applet needs only one value from the chip (e.g. percentage of capacity) then i2cget is the method of choice | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | I hope that jrbme will save day for us, someday ;) | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it needs more than one value (percentage, mAh, time-to-empty), then I'd suggest i2cdump, like used in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | by the way, any chances for another dump of Your development booston, with fix for idle current draw? | 02:47 |
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| Estel_ | it seems that booston / kill it / boostoff doesn't work 100%, so connecting briefly to charger is a must | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, I'm hoping every day to work on it, and every evening I find myself having "wasted" my time on other things | 02:48 |
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| Estel_ | quite inconveinent during travel, so even quick dirty fix would be muchmappreciated | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | "fix this module" vs "i2cget method" are incompatible. As I see it, there are two choices: 1) everyone uses i2cget/i2c-dev. 2) everyone uses the kernel module's /sys/...../bq27x00.ko/* | 02:48 |
| Estel_ | much appreciated* | 02:49 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, true, but without jrbme we can't achieve 2) | 02:49 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you missed my "specification" as of some hours ago here in this chan? | 02:49 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, nice to know. Would test it with pleasure, so don't wait for posting it in hostmode thread, when You got something | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggested that bq27200.ko is doing a compromise between "normal" mode which locks i2c bus, and evil-nasty-patch mode that doesn't lock at all | 02:51 |
| Estel_ | aka opening and closing every time, yep? | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | how about we just have a daemon that writes to a tmpfs a replica of the /sys/..../bq27200/* files? ;P | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: basically bq27200.ko could exactly mimic i2cdump | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | it's a major rewrite.. | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: yep | 02:52 |
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| Estel_ | hey, and the other way? rewrite of i2cdump to become new bq? | 02:53 |
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| Estel_ | probably even worse rewrite? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 02:53 |
| ShadowJK | no | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | i2cdump is a userland app, not a kernel module | 02:53 |
| Estel_ | I know, but I have no idea about how hard is to re-code one into another. Joys of talking with non-coder, I guess. | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | IF we could create files in /sys, then it actually could get done by a modified i2cdump | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | Like, give me half an hour and I could have a script that uses i2cget to create a directory structure that looks exactly like the /sys/...../bq one created by the bq27200 kernel module... But to make bq27200 kernel module lock and release resources constantly, is a big undertaking I think, as there's just not the supporting infrastructure available inside the kernel as far as I'm aware | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | (but my directory structure copy wouldn't reside in /sys obviously) | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the point | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think only kernel can create files in /sys | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I can't see why we can't wrap some sort of i2cdump executable with a module framework | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | hey, I've found pot by 412b about our ugly fast method, could You look int it? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1078288&postcount=703 | 02:57 |
| Estel_ | of course I still preffer Your guys method of fixing bq module, so keep brainstorming ;) | 02:57 |
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| Estel_ | I like Your ideas, especially that actual bq module lack many usefull info that for example, bq27200.sh provides | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | all edv, vdq, etc | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | so baking something more usefull around i2cdump would be awesome. | 03:00 |
| Estel_ | or at least around i2cdump method | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't forget i2cdump works on STOCK kernel as well! | 03:03 |
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| Estel_ | exactly | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't follow that guy's concerns about additional overhead | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | I would love if all of this discussed here would result not only in theoretical ideas (although great ones). Really, some ideas seem very appealing. | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | Would *love* to see them living. | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | I think the point is about async nature of APM monitors, whatever it is. | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | Would You care to post here, anyway? | 03:05 |
| Estel_ | 412b is quite motivated and fast developer | 03:05 |
| Estel_ | he implement things really fast, if enough rationale given | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | any python dev around? how would you call a shell executable and store the stdout to some python variable? | 03:05 |
| Estel_ | so, fixing APM would be quick fix for now, and something around i2cdump method and bq module would be ultimate fix for long-term | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:07 |
| Estel_ | brb for a while, would disconnect (checking bleeding edge drivers wifi with bfs kernel) | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the ultimate "fix" though is pali's project to LD_PRELOAD wrap bme to intercept direct calls to /dev/i2c-2 and map them to proper readout of sysnode values | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which btw is a TYPICAL cssu project, as it needs a patch to bme (renaming/moving away, then creating a script at original location that does the LD_PRELOAD stuff) | 03:11 |
| Estel_ | damn, it's true that bleeding edge wifi drivers doesnt work with bfs kernel... Should be compiled against bfs headers, probably. | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 03:12 |
| Estel_ | BTW, maybe I'm biased with bfs sheulder as well, but IMO performance is better. Seems visible especially in resource- heavy Easy Debian programs | 03:13 |
| Estel_ | going back to our topic, does Pali method fix our all concerns with jrbme, i.e. emergency shutdowns, charging from pc etc? | 03:14 |
| Estel_ | and dozens of Maemo elements that talk with bme? | 03:14 |
| Estel_ | You said once, that it would need enormous rewrite of many things, some closed, to replace bme | 03:14 |
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| Estel_ | brb | 03:22 |
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| orangey | hello all | 03:34 |
| orangey | I am trying to run some commands when my phone is in a call | 03:34 |
| Ken-Young | orangey, Good evening! | 03:34 |
| orangey | hi Ken-Young! | 03:35 |
| orangey | I followed this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54039 | 03:35 |
| orangey | and entered this :/usr/sbin/speedadaptfix * * com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind active * | 03:35 |
| orangey | into a file in /etc/dbus-scripts.d | 03:35 |
| orangey | however, there is no apparent relief. the program appears not to execute at all. How can I debug such a thing? | 03:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | dbus-scripts needs to be executed | 03:40 |
| orangey | this is in my ps ax: /usr/sbin/dbus-scripts --session | 03:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | ok so maybe the session isn't picking it up, maybe the signals are sent through system instead of session | 03:41 |
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| orangey | you know what.. just tried system, and that worked! | 03:41 |
| psycho_oreos | there you go | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hah | 03:47 |
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| orangey | hmm. and how do I make it so that the system one loads in addition to session? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's one of the flaws of dbus-scripts app | 03:47 |
| orangey | ? | 03:47 |
| orangey | honestly, the n900's handling of SIP is disgraceful | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think there's no concept in it for that | 03:48 |
| orangey | I've never seen a device handle it so badly | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe - i've seen few devices ever hndle sip | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but what's your problem? | 03:49 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: my n810 was marvelous. all of my androids are fine. hell, even every generation of iphone can do it | 03:49 |
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| orangey | it works fine now - I just went backward a bit after upgrading to the latest CSSU | 03:49 |
| orangey | but in pr 1/1.1, it was unusable. | 03:50 |
| orangey | in pr 1.2 it was mostly unusable, but occasionally usable | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | my N810 and N900 differ only marginally regarding handling of SIP | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | what exactly doesn't work for You when SIP'ing? | 03:50 |
| orangey | starting pr 1.3, it could be used. adding power kernel made it again unusable. following that thread made it usable again | 03:50 |
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| ShadowJK | I didn't think cssu would touch any of the SIP parts.. | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | I got never any problems with SIP in N900 | 03:50 |
| orangey | Estel_: choppy sound | 03:50 |
| orangey | Estel_: you use kp? | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | orangey, there is known bug for that | 03:51 |
| orangey | Estel_: of course there is. you'll note it's unresolved and open | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | of course (currently, bfs-kernel, but that isn't important for this certain case) | 03:51 |
| orangey | more or less one of the devs said 'wontfix' | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | yes. | 03:51 |
| orangey | anyway, I have it working well. | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | Still, I never encountered it ;) | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | for me SIP is perfectly clear | 03:52 |
| orangey | but as with all bleeding edge, sometimes you go backward. in this case, the 'backward' is that somehow dbus system events aren't running anymore | 03:52 |
| orangey | not sure how to make it automatically load system eitehr | 03:53 |
| orangey | hmm. looks like the system service no longer starts | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | ok gentlemans, time for little sleep here. It's 3 AM, after all | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | bb everyone | 03:56 |
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| orangey | sometimes I do want to pull out my hair | 04:01 |
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| orangey | i did update-rc.d dbus-scripts default | 04:01 |
| orangey | and still it doesn't seem to run | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts start | 04:24 |
| orangey | oh yeah.. upstart. | 04:24 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizerI know that's how to start it! | 04:24 |
| orangey | I want it to auto-start on boot | 04:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so if that works and there's a proper link to a runlevel directory... | 04:25 |
| HyperSnyper | hi DocScrutinizer51 | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it should start, no? | 04:26 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer51: all I can tell you is that it doesn't work from rc | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi hy | 04:26 |
| orangey | see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35567 | 04:26 |
| pauly2 | hi i wondering do u guys know a site that has cheap lcd and digitizer for n900 | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I won't, too much hassle on N900 in a pub | 04:27 |
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| HyperSnyper | you using xchat for irc ? | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | orangey: you're right | 04:31 |
| HyperSnyper | i've installed power kernel 42 from extras, ok to install 48 over it from devel ? and does 48 work ok with bleeding edge | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ $ ls /etc/rc?.d/S*bus* | 04:32 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer51: mourn with me | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | only shows dbus in 4 5 | 04:32 |
| HyperSnyper | + is it ok to install via manager or always best with apt-get ? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: xchat here | 04:33 |
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| HyperSnyper | i couldn't figure the colours out | 04:33 |
| HyperSnyper | :P | 04:33 |
| HyperSnyper | didn't liek default | 04:33 |
| HyperSnyper | got distracted by other things though, sos din't look at it for long | 04:34 |
| HyperSnyper | heh | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see my files under xchat at | 04:34 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: got it working. just edited /etc/event.d/dbus-scripts to include --session --system | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~jrtools | 04:35 |
| infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cool | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | orangey: didn't know this works | 04:35 |
| mr_jrt | gnite! | 04:36 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: seems to | 04:36 |
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| orangey | my next move is going to be nitdroid | 04:36 |
| orangey | should be exciting | 04:36 |
| pauly2 | ok | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | orangey: you'll hate it | 04:37 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer51: which part? android? | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yoh | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also see /topic | 04:37 |
| orangey | there are 3 things that would make it a no-brainer to switch to android: 1) no google; 2) conversations; 3) almost all FLOSS | 04:37 |
| orangey | topic doesn't allude to android | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ohh | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn, forgot the ibot key | 04:38 |
| ds3 | there are no reason ever to switch to android | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys multiboot | 04:39 |
| ds3 | that PoS is unusable garbage | 04:39 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'multiboot' by key (2): multiboot ;; maemo-multiboot. | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~maemo-multiboot | 04:39 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: actually http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/ | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if colors are in there | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if not, droplme a note | 04:45 |
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| DocAvalanche | ~xyawn | 07:10 |
| infobot | i guess xyawn is nice coffee | 07:10 |
| DocAvalanche | k | 07:10 |
| woldrich | ~atari | 07:10 |
| infobot | i guess atari is a very good old computer that used to be produced before the amigas, and some are still used at mixing studios, and there even is a hacked linux that runs on those computers ... | 07:10 |
| DocAvalanche | wow | 07:10 |
| DocAvalanche | ~tickle woldrich | 07:11 |
| * infobot jumps on woldrich, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" | 07:11 | |
| woldrich | ~kick infobot | 07:12 |
| * infobot kicks infobot | 07:12 | |
| woldrich | hmm. | 07:12 |
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| infobot | woldrich: you're a nasty person | 07:13 |
| woldrich | bots ain't supposed to have opinions | 07:13 |
| infobot | I do | 07:13 |
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| woldrich | infobot, source | 07:17 |
| infobot | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. | 07:17 |
| woldrich | meh. | 07:17 |
| woldrich | YOUR source | 07:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~spell woldrich | 07:22 |
| infobot | possible spellings for woldrich: wold rich wold-rich Aldrich Goodrich Roderich wolfish Ulrich oldish Aldric coldish baldric ostrich goldfish wold whorish Aldrich's wolds Woodrow cloddish flourish wold's | 07:22 |
| woldrich | whorish | 07:22 |
| sl4sh3r | infobot, opengl | 07:22 |
| infobot | well, opengl is a 2- and 3D graphics pipeline, designed with hardware implementations in mind. The industry standard for 3D graphics programming. | 07:22 |
| woldrich | ~sophie zelmani | 07:22 |
| woldrich | ~sophie\ zelmani | 07:23 |
| sl4sh3r | infobot, osso | 07:23 |
| woldrich | ~zelmani | 07:23 |
| woldrich | I think we killed infobot | 07:23 |
| sl4sh3r | loooooool | 07:23 |
| infobot | kill me? HAH | 07:23 |
| sl4sh3r | lolol | 07:23 |
| sl4sh3r | is that possible to develop opengl applications inside scratchbox (even without hw acceleration)? | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict zelmani | 07:25 |
| infobot | could not find definition for zelmani | 07:25 |
| woldrich | infobot, title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJpGTEyBMqs | 07:27 |
| woldrich | bah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6dwlF1DTw was the actual video. | 07:28 |
| sl4sh3r | nice tune | 07:34 |
| woldrich | :) | 07:34 |
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| sl4sh3r | How can I change target architecture in Makefile to make code run on ARM? | 07:38 |
| psycho_oreos | why don't you use scratchbox instead? | 07:38 |
| sl4sh3r | I'm using | 07:38 |
| sl4sh3r | It's my first day using it | 07:39 |
| sl4sh3r | I have downloaded Xournal source, made all hacks that I wanted, tested on the "maemo 5 emulator" | 07:39 |
| sl4sh3r | but I don't have idea how to change the target architecture | 07:41 |
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| sl4sh3r | infobot, deb | 08:38 |
| infobot | [deb] the extension for debian precompiled packages | 08:38 |
| woldrich | sl4sh3r, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2GpHZsI5Fc | 08:39 |
| sl4sh3r | didn't know this artist, good music | 08:47 |
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| MohammadAG | sl4sh3r, sb-conf SELECT FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 09:30 |
| sl4sh3r | MohammadAG, thanks I found this command a few minutes ago | 09:31 |
| sl4sh3r | MohammadAG, do I need to add armel specific catalogues on /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to compile for ARM? | 09:33 |
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| sl4sh3r | I have managed to compile for x86 without any problem, but Im still figthing with dependencies on ARM | 09:35 |
| MohammadAG | fakeroot apt-get build-dep xournal | 09:42 |
| sl4sh3r | MohammadAG, "E: Unable to find a source package for xournal" | 09:50 |
| MohammadAG | sl4sh3r, add extras devel | 09:54 |
| MohammadAG | into sources.list | 09:55 |
| MohammadAG | as well as the same line with deb-src instead of deb, then apt-get update | 09:55 |
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| sl4sh3r | MohammadAG, I don't have idea how should be the final line | 10:02 |
| sl4sh3r | lol | 10:02 |
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| MohammadAG | sl4sh3r, deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free | 10:27 |
| sl4sh3r | MohammadAG, thanks! | 10:29 |
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| sl4sh3r | MohammadAG, omg its working on N900! Thanks a lot again! | 10:39 |
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| timmyt | how to share 3g over the bluetooth? | 11:11 |
| timmyt | guys, | 11:12 |
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| t7^ | timmyt, there is a blutooth dialup networking package in there somewhere | 11:15 |
| t7^ | you want to share you internet from your n900 to your laptop right? | 11:16 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.maemo-freak.com/index.php/downloads/appsdown/1337-bluetooth-dun-package-now-available-tether-n900s-internet-connection-with-your-pc | 11:17 |
| psycho_oreos | lrn2usegoogle srsly | 11:17 |
| t7^ | check this also http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/bluetooth-dun/ | 11:18 |
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| timmyt | t7^ right | 11:22 |
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| HyperSnyper | what do u people use for grabbing album art on your n900, the "google-art" one ? | 17:26 |
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| Estel_ | hey, I got unconfirmed reports, that kp49 pre-release is broken regarding 'evil infamous' i2c 'patch', the same way kernel-bfs7 is | 17:59 |
| Estel_ | the thing is, that kernel-bfs7 is kp49 + BFS + con kolivas patches + ubifs patch | 18:00 |
| Estel_ | and it loads bq27x00_battery.ko from start. | 18:00 |
| Estel_ | the thing is that, it means kp49 act like that also, and no one noticed that | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | can anyone using kp49 confirm it? | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | it can be done by many ways, easiest one is to try executing bq27200.sh as root | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | if i2c is busy, then kp49 is bugged as well. | 18:02 |
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| ShadowJK | If kernel module is loaded, bme and bq27200 should not work | 18:14 |
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| Estel_ | but it does work | 18:28 |
| Estel_ | and idont claim it's based on kp49 + unrelated patches | 18:28 |
| Estel_ | kp48 surely isn't bugged, but kp49? | 18:28 |
| Estel_ | i mean that bme work, and bq27200.sh doesn't work, of cours e | 18:29 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, I'm writing all of this, because kp49 is semi-oficial for a quite long time, and is to hit repos soon | 18:29 |
| Estel_ | it is possible that no one noticed this 'little' thing | 18:30 |
| Estel_ | if that is not the case, it would mean that it got enabled 'magically' in bfs7, which I doubt | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | If bme is loaded before kernel module, bme continues to work. If bme is stopped and you try to start it, it will most likely fail | 18:30 |
| Estel_ | the best irony is, that bfs6 with possibility to echo enable 'evil' patch, was ok, and bfs7 based on kp49 without bfs 'dangerous' patch introduce this evil tying out of box | 18:31 |
| Estel_ | ok, will check that. I would just like someone with kp49 to confirm it | 18:32 |
| Estel_ | I don't feel like installing kp49, already got kp48 and bfs for comparision, and I'm less interested in kp49 now. But this may be important thing to check for kp49 users, and for future updates of kp | 18:33 |
| Estel_ | brb, checking if I'm going to have reboot after restarting bme in bfs7 | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ping pali about it | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | pali is KP maintainer | 18:34 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, You were right. Dangerous path was not enabled - it was just bq(...).ko module loaded from start. Seems like blacklisting issue. | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | Thanks for help there! | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: so you say a "stop bme; start bme" will cause havoc? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...unless you modprobe -r bq27200 prior to that | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: long time ago I tried to talk a user through blacklisting that module, seems it didn't work for unknown reasons | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems inclusion of that module to PK wasn't well prepared and tested - so it better never got included the way it's now | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | maintainers need to learn that messing with kernel is another level of responsibility than messing around with an app pkg | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | as not *all* users will use the app but all will have to use the kernel | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and quite usually problems introduced by kernel issues are way more severe - like bootlops, empty battery (so no reflash -> deadlock) etc | 19:12 |
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| pauly2 | sounds like a problem.. | 19:17 |
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| guylhem | hello | 19:22 |
| guylhem | could I get some help for a reboot loop? | 19:22 |
| NIN101 | guylhem: just ask | 19:23 |
| guylhem | well I did a rm in the wrong directory, cleaning up MyDocs my mistake yesterday late at night | 19:24 |
| guylhem | can't remember if I rebooted | 19:24 |
| guylhem | but now I'm stuck in a reboot loop | 19:24 |
| NIN101 | do you remember the name of the directory? | 19:25 |
| guylhem | the n900 MyDocs directory - whole thing | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't hurt | 19:25 |
| NIN101 | exactly. | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well it for sure hurts *you* (if you got valuable data there) | 19:26 |
| guylhem | never mind my data. It's gone now :-) | 19:26 |
| guylhem | I did reinstall the important stuff during the night like maps, etc. | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so don't worry, just reflash | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe you got multiboot or sth | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | this might depend on data in MyDocs, dunno | 19:27 |
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| guylhem | Well I have a backup made from nokia app, not from the bootmenu | 19:27 |
| guylhem | yes I got multiboot | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SEE? blaerg! | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 19:28 |
| infobot | maemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 19:28 |
| guylhem | I wanted to use it to do backups ... my mistake | 19:28 |
| guylhem | I fear the nokia made backup won't be very complete | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends | 19:28 |
| guylhem | ie with the stock backup application | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has all your apps and accounts and msgs and contacts, usually | 19:29 |
| guylhem | the only weird things I had was the special kernel - I fear I won't find it back | 19:29 |
| guylhem | I mean, it won;t be restored | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure not | 19:30 |
| guylhem | and I'll have to dig additional stuff. | 19:30 |
| guylhem | so do you know a way to interrupt the reboot loop before I try to reflash?? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you can try rescue-initrd or NIN101 's way smarter alternative | 19:31 |
| NIN101 | guylhem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also might recover by flashing --kernel-only | 19:31 |
| guylhem | thanks - I have no idea what I did wrong besides this rm | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing, you nuked multiboot | 19:38 |
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| guylhem | not sure about the multiboot thing - it's my 1st week with a n900. I'll check /var/lib/dpkg/info to be sure about the name | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep away from nitdroid and you're safe ;-D | 19:44 |
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| guylhem | coming from a droid device I have no desire to see it again :-) | 19:47 |
| NIN101 | "no desire" - a pun :-)? | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 19:53 |
| guylhem | nope - it was a x10 mini pro, the closest thing I could get to a n900 (keyboard etc) | 19:53 |
| guylhem | but now I got myself a true n900 | 19:53 |
| guylhem | :-) | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | take extreme care of your USB port! | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that's the one fly in the ointment | 19:54 |
| guylhem | I've read about it. the n900 has a warranty of 18 months, and afterwards I think I can resolder that. Already did that to a Zaurus and a friends phone. | 19:55 |
| guylhem | Still got some mini usb left - no micro however | 19:55 |
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| ds3 | how critical is it to replace all the fasteners if the N900 is disassembled? the service docs says to toss them and replace them with fresh ones | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | guylhem: see-> | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 20:00 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | guylhem: 18 months of warranty are worthless as Nokia has no more spare N900 (or very few) - they usually replace broken N900 by some crap, like N9 or E7 | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | N8, sorry | 20:01 |
| guylhem | I'll resolder it myself then or get a spare n900 for parts | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | preventive soldering may be a good idea | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you feel comfortable with disassembling and soldering | 20:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | ds3: People have snapped the screws when reinserting | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: They are like engine head bolts - they are torqued hard enough to deform them | 20:04 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: are replacement fastener kits available? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 20:04 |
| ds3 | sigh | 20:04 |
| ds3 | the keyboard open switch is broq on mine and I suspect something got in.... so much for opening and cleaning :( | 20:05 |
| guylhem | good idea about the preventive one. I'll do that. | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway number of screw-died fatalities is relatively low, judging by reports here | 20:05 |
| ds3 | okay, time to get the day started. bbl | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here, o/ | 20:06 |
| guylhem | don't know how nokia specific this advice is, but for electronics never ever use an electric screwdriver. | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: just make sure you tighten the screws with minimum torque sufficient to tightly settle them | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and make sure you don't cut a new thread but use the old "thread" in plastic | 20:07 |
| ds3 | I always hand torque and I have broken fastners of this size in other things before | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, you're free do find arbitrary matching spare screws, they're not particularly special | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just take care about the plug at flat plastic connector ribbon, it easily breaks when bent on unplugging it, or on accidentally pulling the ribbon | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, my tools have a handle diameter of <15mm and I'm fastening by twisting the tool with 2 fingers | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | screws will go in really easy if you don't miss the old thread | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course if a screw already has a defect then all care won't help | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/with 2 fingers/between thumb and index finger/ | 20:22 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders sending out spare screw sets, for $1.49 plus packaging/portage | 20:23 | |
| RST38h | How low have we fallen, to have to repair these N900s by hand | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you're free to program your CNC to do that for you ;-) | 20:25 |
| RST38h | Yeah =) | 20:25 |
| mr_jrt2 | It's quite the classic-car syndrome. | 20:25 |
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| guylhem | ok got a working telnet... but what is root password for nin101 initrd ? | 21:06 |
| NIN101 | "rootme" | 21:06 |
| guylhem | thanks! | 21:06 |
| guylhem | much better with a large keyboard :-) | 21:06 |
| NIN101 | :-) | 21:06 |
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| guylhem | ok I see no multiboot in /var/lib/dpkg/info | 21:07 |
| guylhem | only bootmenu | 21:07 |
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| guylhem | wonder what I did that broke it | 21:10 |
| guylhem | no syslog either | 21:10 |
| guylhem | can't create mmcblock0 with mknod in /dev | 21:10 |
| NIN101 | do you want to access maemo emmc partitions? | 21:11 |
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| guylhem | no just my mmc card to create a snapshot of maemo filesystem | 21:11 |
| NIN101 | your mmc card is mmcblk0* | 21:11 |
| guylhem | I used the mount root script in /rescueos - maemo is mounted in /mnt | 21:11 |
| guylhem | no such device in /dev | 21:11 |
| guylhem | but it it listed in /proc/devices | 21:12 |
| guylhem | well I;ll use maemo's /dev files | 21:13 |
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| NIN101 | hmm, strange. | 21:14 |
| guylhem | hmm can't either | 21:14 |
| guylhem | no such devices | 21:14 |
| guylhem | tried to remove/put back the mmc but it didn't help | 21:15 |
| guylhem | I'm using the initrd | 21:16 |
| NIN101 | I'll take a look if I have a the same problem. | 21:17 |
| guylhem | I guess I'll just do a tarball meanwhile | 21:17 |
| guylhem | I have to check which part is the big 27G part to mount it | 21:18 |
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| NIN101 | guylhem: can't confirm it on my device, I have the device nodes | 21:18 |
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| guylhem | weird | 21:19 |
| NIN101 | guylhem: give "mdev -s" a try... | 21:19 |
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| guylhem | I don't have the nodes, but they are listed in /proc, but if I use maemo copies it doesn;t help. mdev didn't either | 21:19 |
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| guylhem | how could I mount the big partition? I'll just store the tar gz there | 21:20 |
| NIN101 | it's mmcblk1p2 | 21:20 |
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| guylhem | doesn't work either | 21:22 |
| guylhem | looks like I've got a mmc problem | 21:22 |
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| NIN101 | probably | 21:24 |
| guylhem | ok thanks for your help I'll see what I can do. And thanks for your rescueos! | 21:25 |
| NIN101 | and with do you mean "doesn't work either", did you mean the nodes are not there or that you got something like "invalid argument" on mounting? | 21:26 |
| NIN101 | yw. | 21:26 |
| guylhem | nodes not there, and can't even access the files from maemo nodes | 21:26 |
| guylhem | cat: can't open '/mnt/maemo/dev/mmcblkp1': No such file or directory | 21:27 |
| guylhem | as if the module was not loaded | 21:27 |
| NIN101 | did you look in /dev/? | 21:27 |
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| guylhem | in /dev no mmc* | 21:27 |
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| guylhem | found the cause for the mmc problem: it had the casing open and didn;t like | 21:49 |
| guylhem | that. Just closing the cover create the mmc devices | 21:49 |
| guylhem | cover is open, card is now inaccessible | 21:49 |
| guylhem | cover is closed, card is now accessible | 21:50 |
| guylhem | (!!) | 21:50 |
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| NIN101 | I kinda knew it :-) | 21:51 |
| NIN101 | but actually you should have received kernel messages regarding this. | 21:51 |
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| guylhem | didn't think about the dmesg until now :-) | 21:52 |
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| guylhem | anyway regarding the reboot loop, any suggestion about what I should look for ? | 21:53 |
| guylhem | what services in /etc is the knight rider equivalent to? | 21:57 |
| guylhem | (so that I know from where to start in etc/init.d...) | 21:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | was that supposed to be many questions in one? | 21:58 |
| NIN101 | if you think the problem is bootmenu related you can chroot into maemo and try to remove it..., it's not that you have much to lose now, also keep an eye on your battery. | 21:59 |
| guylhem | is it not charging the battery while connected? | 22:00 |
| guylhem | I guess the problem is related to something I removed from mydocs | 22:00 |
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| guylhem | when I typed rm -fr in the wrong window | 22:01 |
| NIN101 | no you have to start the charging script yourself bash /rescueOS/charge21.bash, and it will not daemonize -- and own risk :-). | 22:01 |
| guylhem | ok | 22:01 |
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| guylhem | in my chroot : Unable to write to /var/cache/apt. maybe I need to mount the emmc in some specific place? | 22:03 |
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| NIN101 | yeah it's probably missing optification, and honestly I think you should reflash COMBINED. | 22:05 |
| guylhem | I will ... at the moment I'm just trying | 22:07 |
| guylhem | to see if I can fix the loop | 22:07 |
| guylhem | do you know which process starts the knight rider light? | 22:07 |
| NIN101 | /sbin/preinit | 22:08 |
| NIN101 | starts /sbin/init, which is upstart | 22:08 |
| NIN101 | upstarts scripts are in /etc/event.d/ | 22:08 |
| NIN101 | but it also uses /etc/init.d | 22:08 |
| guylhem | thx - as soon as my tar backup is done I'll try to remount mydocs from the chroot to do some apt-get | 22:09 |
| guylhem | I'll install syslog - hopefully it wil give me more information | 22:09 |
| NIN101 | in /sbin/preinit you'll probably find the bootmenu code, depending how much they edit you can probably simply remove/comment it out and try to start, always assuming bootmenu caused the reboot loop. | 22:10 |
| NIN101 | and before you shut down, unmount /mnt/maemo as suggested in the documentation, because not unmounting ubifs is not cool from my experience :-). | 22:11 |
| guylhem | oops. already rebooted once without umounting. it mounted fine however | 22:13 |
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| NIN101 | :-) | 22:13 |
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| guylhem | would you have a vanilla preinit so I can compare? | 22:14 |
| NIN101 | not vanilla, sorry :-) | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bootmenu most probably didn't cause the bootloop - AIUI multiboot barfed on nuking some data it stored to MyDocs | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | to recover you need a working kernel in NAND, with matching kernel modules in / | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably mutliboot renamed the modules directory to point to that of a "new" (possibly android) kernel, but then on next boot failed to flash the matching kernel due to the kernel image to flash from been gone on MyDocs (talking outa my arse here) | 22:33 |
| guylhem | I am not using multiboot - my mistake. I was thinking about bootmenu | 22:34 |
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| guylhem | I've found some info about flag no-lifeguard-reset I'll try that with syslog to see where the problems comes from. I hate that I don't understand what's happening there | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, whatever, bootmenu is hooked into rescue boot, and it all depends on one single file in / that can simply get renamed/deleted to disable rescueboot+bootmenu | 22:35 |
| guylhem | if it's something I did I'd rather know why to avoid doing it again | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good thinking | 22:36 |
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| guylhem | I have to go and get a hard drive for backups (main computer down too, due to the same accidental rm -fr..., but I understand what happened there :-), brb | 22:37 |
| guylhem | shops will close in ~2 h | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | to neuter bootmenu, do >> mv /bootmenu.sh /bootmenu.sh_away << | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I never heard bootmenu caused a bootloop | 22:38 |
| guylhem | I'll try - hopefully I'll find a way to add a debug to the boot process to see which preinit step or /etc/rc2.d file is causing the problem | 22:38 |
| guylhem | we will know for sure. I won't give up until tomorrow | 22:38 |
| guylhem | got myself a full day to understand before nuking it :-) | 22:39 |
| * guylhem going to buy a hd | 22:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | bring one for me as well please! :-D | 22:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | anyone still have that link that shows two N9, one is genuine N9 and the other is the prototype W9 depicting W9 is not powered by meego? | 23:02 |
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| * guylhem found a 1To WD for 99 Eur | 23:56 | |
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| psycho_oreos | you meant 1Tb | 23:58 |
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