IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-10-01

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Estel_ping idont02:17
Estel_~seen idont02:17
infobotidont <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 37m 9s ago, saying: 'Hehe, I've been asked to come down to a friend's house about two hours ago :-P. Seems like I should get going too. Have a nice weekend all!'.02:17
Estel_ping ShadowJK02:18
Estel_hi there. Could You please tell me, if one of symtoms from bq27200 module ioccuping i2c exclusively02:19
Estel_is that i2cget can't access it?02:19
Estel_damn, something went wrong with mainstream kernel-bfs update02:20
ShadowJKheh. Is bq27..... .ko loaded?02:20
Estel_it seems that hotfix 'forced' by DocScrutinizer for disabling dangerous paths completely, did exactly reverse02:20
Estel_yea, from start, without echoing magic02:20
Estel_it just works out of the box (flawlessly, but stil...):P02:21
Estel_the funniest thing is that in bfs6 it worked well, but in bfs7 aimed to kill it, it work out of box02:21
ShadowJKIf bq2xxxx.ko is loaded, then nothing from userspace can access the same address on i2c02:21
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ShadowJK(except if it was opened before the kernel module was loaded)02:22
Estel_I know I may be asking noobish question, but how bme can work in such conditions? i5's out of userspace?02:22
DocScrutinizerbme gets started before bq27200.ko is loaded02:23
ShadowJKWhat happens is: bme starts, opens i2c-dev for bq27200 address. Then, the kernel module is loaded and acquires bq27200 address.02:23
DocScrutinizerstop bme; start bme -> problems start02:23
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: actually that's another bug in that module, no? Shouldn't it either refuse to load, or kill all filehandles that are open at i2c-2 ?02:24
ShadowJKIt's probably not the responsibility of the module02:25
Estel_i understand but one thing makes me wonder02:25
Estel_while using kp46-47, with module autoloaded02:26
Estel_and trying to hotswap DocScrutinizer way02:26
Estel_i was disabling and enabling bme02:26
DocScrutinizerprobably it should make /dev/i2c-2 return -EBLOCKED or sth for all ioctl operations to the addr 0x5502:26
Estel_without any problems, with bq...0.ko loaded02:26
Estel_how it's even possible?02:26
Estel_should't i get instant reboot?02:26
Estel_or infamous patch prevent that?02:27
DocScrutinizerthose had the check commented out so no open() to any I2C-2 would fail ever02:27
Estel_I hope we are correct with diagnosis of problem, because I warned people in bfs thread about current version behavior. Otherwise, I'm spreading good-will FUD ;P02:28
DocScrutinizerthat'S been the infamous patch, yes02:28
ShadowJKFrankly, it all needs a reading of the omap3 i2c driver, to see what happens if i2c-dev and bqxxxx.ko tries to submit requests simultaneously. IF it ends up as two simultaneous bitbangs, then very very bad, and random, things can happen. If the driver has arbitration and queueing,  then at most the worst that happens is that the device that is being accessed gets confused (which in the case of bq27200 isn't entirely catastrophic)...02:28
ShadowJKand by "submit requests simultaneously", I do not mean "open device simultaneously"02:28
Estel_:P any way of checking that?02:29
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: scheduler further mitigates the real-life problems, but it doesn't cure the basic problem. Also note carefully that this nasty nasty evil hack disabled locking for ALL i2c-dev02:30
Estel_I would love to check it once for all and settle this. If it really result in simultaneous bitbangs, I would love to not use it and advocate not doing so everywhere.02:30
ShadowJKdo we have any i2c bus on any behind-battery test pads..?02:31
Estel_...erm, so maybe little rewrite, to make it disabling lock only for particular i2c-dev ?02:31
DocScrutinizerso odds are there are concurrent and thus colliding accesses to e.g PMU cpu regulators02:31
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Estel_I recall something related ti i2c and testpads, but DocScrutinizer probably will know it for sure02:32
ShadowJKI don't really understand the kernel i2c stack enough02:32
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: the patch was pretty simple to understand: it basically just commented out the >> return(-EAGAIN); << line02:33
DocScrutinizerfrom i2c-dev02:33
Estel_so, DocScrutinizer, would it be good thing to rewrite this path, to allow it only disabling lock for certain i2c-devs?02:33
ShadowJKYeah I mean I don't have a grasp of the rest of the i2c stack :P02:33
DocScrutinizerno, it shouldn't mess with i2c-locking mechanism at all. The bq27200 driver needs moving around of a few lines - those who lock and unlock the i2c bus02:34
Estel_I'm trying to accure information how this could be done right way... Maybe I would be able to buggy someone for fix, if it is not heavy work02:35
DocScrutinizerprobably author of bq27200.ko is the one you should pester about it02:35
Estel_I wonder if colin.stephane ir freemangordon could write fix for it. Colin seemed especially interested in bq module.02:35
Estel_this is maemo-specific thing, isnt it?02:36
Estel_due to bme?02:36
DocScrutinizerI think fmg is competent to implement that fix, yes02:36
Estel_I really regret that I'm not competent02:36
Estel_would be great to end this f*ckin saga. I was never dissed so many times due to some line-commented-out thing :P02:37
DocScrutinizerEstel_: that'S the problem, it's not particularly maemo specific. The patch applies to any linux, and will "work" everywhere, while you see similar "problems" like the bme-lock of i2c in 1000s of shades on arbitrary platforms02:37
Estel_I see.02:38
Estel_erm, so our fix may be even included mainstream? great ;)02:38
Estel_we just need it done :(02:38
Estel_so, if I understand it correctly, there are two options for us inside Maemo - fix this module, or buggy advanced-power-monitor author to implement i2cget method of accessing info, with correct opening and closing i2c, yes?02:40
DocScrutinizerso any semi-(in)competent "devel" anywhere facing a similar problem of i2c bus locked by a module and he wants to access the chip directly, could decide to port that """fix""" to another platform, and eventually you bet the knowledge of collision problems won't migrate with the patch02:40
DocScrutinizerexactly, those are the 2 options02:40
Estel_which one seems to be quicker/better for us, particullary?02:41
Estel_by logic i think second one?02:41
DocScrutinizerfix bq27200 module is the better way02:41
Estel_that would make bq module unneeded at all?02:41
Estel_so, logic failed eh ;P02:41
Estel_for widespread linux, of course it's better, that's why asked about "us" in Maemo, particullary.02:42
DocScrutinizerusing i2cget or i2cdump in advanced-power-monitor is the much faster way though02:42
DocScrutinizerand will work even on stock kernel02:43
Estel_I will buggy 412b then, and meanwhile also buggy colin and freeman02:43
Estel_the worst thing is that I don't understand difference between i2cget method and i2cdump one02:43
DocScrutinizererr, the one fetches one register, the dump does a dump of all registers02:44
Estel_and I don't have heart to ask overprojected guys like You and ShadowJK to talk with him. So I'll advocate some method without knowing it well :/02:44
Estel_which one is less resource-intensive for thing that need refresh once for few seconds?02:44
DocScrutinizerjust send him here, we are all available for a short chat02:44
Estel_Yea, I know. Will try.02:45
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, basically it's all design around the premise that if you have a bq27200.ko driver, then everythign that needs information from bq27200 hardware should talk to that driver. So there are poor (or none at all) locking methods for the driver in the kernel to use...02:45
DocScrutinizerif this applet needs only one value from the chip (e.g. percentage of capacity) then i2cget is the method of choice02:45
Estel_I hope that jrbme will save day for us, someday ;)02:47
DocScrutinizerif it needs more than one value (percentage, mAh, time-to-empty), then I'd suggest i2cdump, like used in
Estel_by the way, any chances for another dump of Your development booston, with fix for idle current draw?02:47
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Estel_it seems that booston / kill it / boostoff doesn't work 100%, so connecting briefly to charger is a must02:48
DocScrutinizeryup, I'm hoping every day to work on it, and every evening I find myself having "wasted" my time on other things02:48
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Estel_quite inconveinent during travel, so even quick dirty fix would be muchmappreciated02:48
ShadowJK"fix this module" vs "i2cget method" are incompatible. As I see it, there are two choices: 1) everyone uses i2cget/i2c-dev.  2) everyone uses the kernel module's /sys/...../bq27x00.ko/*02:48
Estel_much appreciated*02:49
Estel_ShadowJK,  true, but without jrbme we can't achieve 2)02:49
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you missed my "specification" as of some hours ago here in this chan?02:49
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  nice to know. Would test it with pleasure, so don't wait for posting it in hostmode thread, when You got something02:51
DocScrutinizerI suggested that bq27200.ko is doing a compromise between "normal" mode which locks i2c bus, and evil-nasty-patch mode that doesn't lock at all02:51
Estel_aka opening and closing every time, yep?02:52
ShadowJKhow about we just have a daemon that writes to a tmpfs a replica of the /sys/..../bq27200/* files? ;P02:52
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: basically bq27200.ko could exactly mimic i2cdump02:52
ShadowJKit's a major rewrite..02:52
DocScrutinizerEstel_: yep02:52
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Estel_hey, and the other way? rewrite of i2cdump to become new bq?02:53
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Estel_probably even worse rewrite?02:53
DocScrutinizeri2cdump is a userland app, not a kernel module02:53
Estel_I know, but I have no idea about how hard is to re-code one into another. Joys of talking with non-coder, I guess.02:54
DocScrutinizerIF we could create files in /sys, then it actually could get done by a modified i2cdump02:54
ShadowJKLike, give me half an hour and I could have a script that uses i2cget to create a directory structure that looks exactly like the /sys/...../bq one created by the bq27200 kernel module... But to make bq27200 kernel module lock and release resources constantly, is a big undertaking I think, as there's just not the supporting infrastructure available inside the kernel as far as I'm aware02:55
ShadowJK(but my directory structure copy wouldn't reside in /sys obviously)02:55
DocScrutinizerthat's the point02:55
DocScrutinizerI think only kernel can create files in /sys02:55
DocScrutinizerbut I can't see why we can't wrap some sort of i2cdump executable with a module framework02:56
Estel_hey, I've found pot by 412b about our ugly fast method, could You look int it?
Estel_of course I still preffer Your guys method of fixing bq module, so keep brainstorming ;)02:57
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Estel_I like Your ideas, especially that actual bq module lack many usefull info that for example, provides02:59
Estel_all edv, vdq, etc02:59
Estel_so baking something more usefull around i2cdump would be awesome.03:00
Estel_or at least around i2cdump method03:00
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DocScrutinizerdon't forget i2cdump works on STOCK kernel as well!03:03
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DocScrutinizerI can't follow that guy's concerns about additional overhead03:03
Estel_I would love if all of this discussed here would result not only in theoretical ideas (although great ones). Really, some ideas seem very appealing.03:04
Estel_Would *love* to see them living.03:04
Estel_I think the point is about async nature of APM monitors, whatever it is.03:04
Estel_Would You care to post here, anyway?03:05
Estel_412b is quite motivated and fast developer03:05
Estel_he implement things really fast, if enough rationale given03:05
DocScrutinizerany python dev around? how would you call a shell executable and store the stdout to some python variable?03:05
Estel_so, fixing APM would be quick fix for now, and something around i2cdump method and bq module would be ultimate fix for long-term03:06
Estel_brb for a while, would disconnect (checking bleeding edge drivers wifi with bfs kernel)03:08
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DocScrutinizerthe ultimate "fix" though is pali's project to LD_PRELOAD wrap bme to intercept direct calls to /dev/i2c-2 and map them to proper readout of sysnode values03:08
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DocScrutinizerwhich btw is a TYPICAL cssu project, as it needs a patch to bme (renaming/moving away, then creating a script at original location that does the LD_PRELOAD stuff)03:11
Estel_damn, it's true that bleeding edge wifi drivers doesnt work with bfs kernel... Should be compiled against bfs headers, probably.03:11
Estel_BTW, maybe I'm biased with bfs sheulder as well, but IMO performance is better. Seems visible especially in resource- heavy Easy Debian programs03:13
Estel_going back to our topic, does Pali method fix our all concerns with jrbme, i.e. emergency shutdowns, charging from pc etc?03:14
Estel_and dozens of Maemo elements that talk with bme?03:14
Estel_You said once, that it would need enormous rewrite of many things, some closed, to replace bme03:14
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orangeyhello all03:34
orangeyI am trying to run some commands when my phone is in a call03:34
Ken-Youngorangey, Good evening!03:34
orangeyhi Ken-Young!03:35
orangeyI followed this thread:
orangeyand entered this :/usr/sbin/speedadaptfix * * sig_call_state_ind active *03:35
orangeyinto a file in /etc/dbus-scripts.d03:35
orangeyhowever, there is no apparent relief. the program appears not to execute at all. How can I debug such a thing?03:36
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psycho_oreosdbus-scripts needs to be executed03:40
orangeythis is in my ps ax: /usr/sbin/dbus-scripts --session03:41
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psycho_oreosok so maybe the session isn't picking it up, maybe the signals are sent through system instead of session03:41
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orangeyyou know what.. just tried system, and that worked!03:41
psycho_oreosthere you go03:42
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orangeyhmm. and how do I make it so that the system one loads in addition to session?03:47
DocScrutinizer51that's one of the flaws of dbus-scripts app03:47
orangeyhonestly, the n900's handling of SIP is disgraceful03:48
DocScrutinizer51I think there's no concept in it for that03:48
orangeyI've never seen a device handle it so badly03:48
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DocScrutinizer51hehe - i've seen few devices ever hndle sip03:48
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DocScrutinizer51but what's your problem?03:49
orangeyDocScrutinizer: my n810 was marvelous. all of my androids are fine. hell, even every generation of iphone can do it03:49
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orangeyit works fine now - I just went backward a bit after upgrading to the latest CSSU03:49
orangeybut in pr 1/1.1, it was unusable.03:50
orangeyin pr 1.2 it was mostly unusable, but occasionally usable03:50
DocScrutinizer51my N810 and N900 differ only marginally regarding handling of SIP03:50
Estel_what exactly doesn't work for You when SIP'ing?03:50
orangeystarting pr 1.3, it could be used. adding power kernel made it again unusable. following that thread made it usable again03:50
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ShadowJKI didn't think cssu would touch any of the SIP parts..03:50
Estel_I got never any problems with SIP in N90003:50
orangeyEstel_: choppy sound03:50
orangeyEstel_: you use kp?03:51
Estel_orangey, there is known bug for that03:51
orangeyEstel_: of course there is. you'll note it's unresolved and open03:51
Estel_of course (currently, bfs-kernel, but that isn't important for this certain case)03:51
orangeymore or less one of the devs said 'wontfix'03:51
orangeyanyway, I have it working well.03:51
Estel_Still, I never encountered it ;)03:51
Estel_for me SIP is perfectly clear03:52
orangeybut as with all bleeding edge, sometimes you go backward. in this case, the 'backward' is that somehow dbus system events aren't running anymore03:52
orangeynot sure how to make it automatically load system eitehr03:53
orangeyhmm. looks like the system service no longer starts03:54
Estel_ok gentlemans, time for little sleep here. It's 3 AM, after all03:55
Estel_bb everyone03:56
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orangeysometimes I do want to pull out my hair04:01
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orangeyi did update-rc.d dbus-scripts default04:01
orangeyand still it doesn't seem to run04:01
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DocScrutinizer51/etc/init.d/dbus-scripts start04:24
orangeyoh yeah.. upstart.04:24
orangeyDocScrutinizerI know that's how to start it!04:24
orangeyI want it to auto-start on boot04:24
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DocScrutinizer51so if that works and there's a proper link to a runlevel directory...04:25
HyperSnyperhi DocScrutinizer5104:26
DocScrutinizer51it should start, no?04:26
orangeyDocScrutinizer51: all I can tell you is that it doesn't work from rc04:26
DocScrutinizer51hi hy04:26
pauly2hi i wondering do u guys know a site that has cheap lcd and digitizer for n90004:27
DocScrutinizer51I won't, too much hassle on N900 in a pub04:27
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HyperSnyperyou using xchat for irc ?04:28
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DocScrutinizer51orangey: you're right04:31
HyperSnyperi've installed power kernel 42 from extras, ok to install 48 over it from devel ? and does 48 work ok with bleeding edge04:32
DocScrutinizer51~ $ ls /etc/rc?.d/S*bus*04:32
orangeyDocScrutinizer51: mourn with me04:32
DocScrutinizer51only shows dbus in 4 504:32
HyperSnyper+ is it ok to install via manager or always best with apt-get ?04:32
DocScrutinizer51HyperSnyper: xchat here04:33
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HyperSnyperi couldn't figure the colours out04:33
HyperSnyperdidn't liek default04:33
HyperSnypergot distracted by other things though, sos din't look at it for long04:34
DocScrutinizer51see my files under xchat at04:34
orangeyDocScrutinizer: got it working. just edited /etc/event.d/dbus-scripts to include --session --system04:34
infobotmethinks jrtools is
DocScrutinizer51orangey: didn't know this works04:35
orangeyDocScrutinizer: seems to04:36
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orangeymy next move is going to be nitdroid04:36
orangeyshould be exciting04:36
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DocScrutinizer51orangey: you'll hate it04:37
orangeyDocScrutinizer51: which part? android?04:37
DocScrutinizer51also see /topic04:37
orangeythere are 3 things that would make it a no-brainer to switch to android: 1) no google; 2) conversations; 3) almost all FLOSS04:37
orangeytopic doesn't allude to android04:38
DocScrutinizer51damn, forgot the ibot key04:38
ds3there are no reason ever to switch to android04:38
DocScrutinizer51~listkeys multiboot04:39
ds3that PoS is unusable garbage04:39
infobotFactoid search of 'multiboot' by key (2): multiboot ;; maemo-multiboot.04:39
infobotsomebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED04:39
DocScrutinizer51HyperSnyper: actually
DocScrutinizer51dunno if colors are in there04:45
DocScrutinizer51if not, droplme a note04:45
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infoboti guess xyawn is nice coffee07:10
infoboti guess atari is a very good old computer that used to be produced before the amigas, and some are still used at mixing studios, and there even is a hacked linux that runs on those computers ...07:10
DocAvalanche~tickle woldrich07:11
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infobotwoldrich: you're a nasty person07:13
woldrichbots ain't supposed to have opinions07:13
infobotI do07:13
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* infobot does the woldrich jig07:16
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woldrichinfobot, source07:17
infobotTo build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file.  Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source.  The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`.07:17
woldrichYOUR source07:17
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DocScrutinizer~spell woldrich07:22
infobotpossible spellings for woldrich: wold rich wold-rich Aldrich Goodrich Roderich wolfish Ulrich oldish Aldric coldish baldric ostrich goldfish wold whorish Aldrich's wolds Woodrow cloddish flourish wold's07:22
sl4sh3rinfobot, opengl07:22
infobotwell, opengl is a 2- and 3D graphics pipeline, designed with hardware implementations in mind.  The industry standard for 3D graphics programming.07:22
woldrich~sophie zelmani07:22
woldrich~sophie\ zelmani07:23
sl4sh3rinfobot, osso07:23
woldrichI think we killed infobot07:23
infobotkill me? HAH07:23
sl4sh3ris that possible to develop opengl applications inside scratchbox (even without hw acceleration)?07:24
DocScrutinizer~dict zelmani07:25
infobotcould not find definition for zelmani07:25
woldrichinfobot, title
woldrichbah. was the actual video.07:28
sl4sh3rnice tune07:34
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sl4sh3rHow can I change target architecture in Makefile to make code run on ARM?07:38
psycho_oreoswhy don't you use scratchbox instead?07:38
sl4sh3rI'm using07:38
sl4sh3rIt's my first day using it07:39
sl4sh3rI have downloaded Xournal source, made all hacks that I wanted, tested on the "maemo 5 emulator"07:39
sl4sh3rbut I don't have idea how to change the target architecture07:41
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sl4sh3rinfobot, deb08:38
infobot[deb] the extension for debian precompiled packages08:38
sl4sh3rdidn't know this artist, good music08:47
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MohammadAGsl4sh3r, sb-conf SELECT FREMANTLE_ARMEL09:30
sl4sh3rMohammadAG, thanks I found this command a few minutes ago09:31
sl4sh3rMohammadAG, do I need to add armel specific catalogues on /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to compile for ARM?09:33
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sl4sh3rI have managed to compile for x86 without any problem, but Im still figthing with dependencies on ARM09:35
MohammadAGfakeroot apt-get build-dep xournal09:42
sl4sh3rMohammadAG, "E: Unable to find a source package for xournal"09:50
MohammadAGsl4sh3r, add extras devel09:54
MohammadAGinto sources.list09:55
MohammadAGas well as the same line with deb-src instead of deb, then apt-get update09:55
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sl4sh3rMohammadAG, I don't have idea how should be the final line10:02
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MohammadAGsl4sh3r, deb-src fremantle free10:27
sl4sh3rMohammadAG, thanks!10:29
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sl4sh3rMohammadAG, omg its working on N900! Thanks a lot again!10:39
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timmythow to share 3g over the bluetooth?11:11
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t7^timmyt, there is a blutooth dialup networking package in there somewhere11:15
t7^you want to share you internet from your n900 to your laptop right?11:16
psycho_oreoslrn2usegoogle srsly11:17
t7^check this also
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timmytt7^ right11:22
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HyperSnyperwhat do u people use for grabbing album art on your n900, the "google-art" one ?17:26
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Estel_hey, I got unconfirmed reports, that kp49 pre-release is broken regarding 'evil infamous' i2c 'patch', the same way kernel-bfs7 is17:59
Estel_the thing is, that kernel-bfs7 is kp49 + BFS + con kolivas patches + ubifs patch18:00
Estel_and it loads bq27x00_battery.ko from start.18:00
Estel_the thing is that, it means kp49 act like that also, and no one noticed that18:01
Estel_can anyone using kp49 confirm it?18:01
Estel_it can be done by many ways, easiest one is to try executing as root18:01
Estel_if i2c is busy, then kp49 is bugged as well.18:02
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ShadowJKIf kernel module is loaded, bme and bq27200 should not work18:14
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Estel_but it does work18:28
Estel_and idont claim it's based on kp49 + unrelated patches18:28
Estel_kp48 surely isn't bugged, but kp49?18:28
Estel_i mean that bme work, and doesn't work, of cours e18:29
Estel_ShadowJK, I'm writing all of this, because kp49 is semi-oficial for a quite long time, and is to hit repos soon18:29
Estel_it is possible that no one noticed this 'little' thing18:30
Estel_if that is not the case, it would mean that it got enabled 'magically' in bfs7, which I doubt18:30
ShadowJKIf bme is loaded before kernel module, bme continues to work. If bme is stopped and you try to start it, it will most likely fail18:30
Estel_the best irony is, that bfs6 with possibility to echo enable 'evil' patch, was ok, and bfs7 based on kp49 without bfs 'dangerous' patch introduce this evil tying out of box18:31
Estel_ok, will check that. I would just like someone with kp49 to confirm it18:32
Estel_I don't feel like installing kp49, already got kp48 and bfs for comparision, and I'm less interested in kp49 now. But this may be important thing to check for kp49 users, and for future updates of kp18:33
Estel_brb, checking if I'm going to have reboot after restarting bme in bfs718:33
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DocScrutinizerping pali about it18:34
DocScrutinizerpali is KP maintainer18:34
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Estel_ShadowJK,  You were right. Dangerous path was not enabled - it was just bq(...).ko module loaded from start. Seems like blacklisting issue.19:03
Estel_Thanks for help there!19:04
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: so you say a "stop bme; start bme" will cause havoc?19:04
DocScrutinizer...unless you modprobe -r bq27200  prior to that19:05
DocScrutinizerEstel_: long time ago I tried to talk a user through blacklisting that module, seems it didn't work for unknown reasons19:07
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DocScrutinizerseems inclusion of that module to PK wasn't well prepared and tested - so it better never got included the way it's now19:09
DocScrutinizermaintainers need to learn that messing with kernel is another level of responsibility than messing around with an app pkg19:10
DocScrutinizeras not *all* users will use the app but all will have to use the kernel19:11
DocScrutinizerand quite usually problems introduced by kernel issues are way more severe - like bootlops, empty battery (so no reflash -> deadlock) etc19:12
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pauly2sounds like a problem..19:17
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guylhemcould I get some help for a reboot loop?19:22
NIN101guylhem: just ask19:23
guylhemwell I did a rm in the wrong directory, cleaning up MyDocs my mistake yesterday late at night19:24
guylhemcan't remember if I rebooted19:24
guylhembut now I'm stuck in a reboot loop19:24
NIN101do you remember the name of the directory?19:25
guylhemthe n900 MyDocs directory - whole thing19:25
DocScrutinizershouldn't hurt19:25
DocScrutinizerwell it for sure hurts *you* (if you got valuable data there)19:26
guylhemnever mind my data. It's gone now :-)19:26
guylhemI did reinstall the important stuff during the night like maps, etc.19:26
DocScrutinizerso don't worry, just reflash19:26
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DocScrutinizermaybe you got multiboot or sth19:27
DocScrutinizerthis might depend on data in MyDocs, dunno19:27
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guylhemWell I have a backup made from nokia app, not from the bootmenu19:27
guylhemyes I got multiboot19:27
DocScrutinizerSEE? blaerg!19:27
infobotmaemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED19:28
guylhemI wanted to use it to do backups ... my mistake19:28
guylhemI fear the nokia made backup won't be very complete19:28
guylhemie with the stock backup application19:28
DocScrutinizerit has all your apps and accounts and msgs and contacts, usually19:29
guylhemthe only weird things I had was the special kernel - I fear I won't find it back19:29
guylhemI mean, it won;t be restored19:29
DocScrutinizerfor sure not19:30
guylhemand I'll have to dig additional stuff.19:30
guylhemso do you know a way to interrupt the reboot loop before I try to reflash??19:30
DocScrutinizerhmm, you can try rescue-initrd or NIN101 's way smarter alternative19:31
DocScrutinizeryou also might recover by flashing --kernel-only19:31
guylhemthanks - I have no idea what I did wrong besides this rm19:32
DocScrutinizernothing, you nuked multiboot19:38
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guylhemnot sure about the multiboot thing - it's my 1st week with a n900. I'll check /var/lib/dpkg/info to be sure about the name19:43
DocScrutinizerkeep away from nitdroid and you're safe ;-D19:44
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guylhemcoming from a droid device I have no desire to see it again :-)19:47
NIN101"no desire" - a pun :-)?19:49
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guylhemnope - it was a x10 mini pro, the closest thing I could get to a n900 (keyboard etc)19:53
guylhembut now I got myself a true n90019:53
DocScrutinizertake extreme care of your USB port!19:54
DocScrutinizeras that's the one fly in the ointment19:54
guylhemI've read about it. the n900 has a warranty of 18 months, and afterwards I think I can resolder that. Already did that to a Zaurus and a friends phone.19:55
guylhemStill got some mini usb left - no micro however19:55
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ds3how critical is it to replace all the fasteners if the N900 is disassembled? the service docs says to toss them and replace them with fresh ones19:56
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DocScrutinizerguylhem: see->20:00
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)20:00
DocScrutinizerguylhem: 18 months of warranty are worthless as Nokia has no more spare N900 (or very few) - they usually replace broken N900 by some crap, like N9 or E720:01
DocScrutinizerN8, sorry20:01
guylhemI'll resolder it myself then or get a spare n900 for parts20:02
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DocScrutinizerpreventive soldering may be a good idea20:02
DocScrutinizerif you feel comfortable with disassembling and soldering20:03
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SpeedEvilds3: People have snapped the screws when reinserting20:03
SpeedEvilds3: They are like engine head bolts - they are torqued hard enough to deform them20:04
ds3SpeedEvil: are replacement fastener kits available?20:04
DocScrutinizernot really20:04
ds3the keyboard  open switch is broq on mine and I suspect something got in.... so much for opening and cleaning :(20:05
guylhemgood idea about the preventive one. I'll do that.20:05
DocScrutinizeranyway number of screw-died fatalities is relatively low, judging by reports here20:05
ds3okay, time to get the day started. bbl20:06
DocScrutinizersame here, o/20:06
guylhemdon't know how nokia specific this advice is, but for electronics never ever use an electric screwdriver.20:07
DocScrutinizerds3: just make sure you tighten the screws with minimum torque sufficient to tightly settle them20:07
DocScrutinizerand make sure you don't cut a new thread but use the old "thread" in plastic20:07
ds3I always hand torque and I have broken fastners of this size in other things before20:07
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DocScrutinizerwell, you're free do find arbitrary matching spare screws, they're not particularly special20:09
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DocScrutinizerjust take care about the plug at flat plastic connector ribbon, it easily breaks when bent on unplugging it, or on accidentally pulling the ribbon20:12
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DocScrutinizerwell, my tools have a handle diameter of <15mm and I'm fastening by twisting the tool with 2 fingers20:19
DocScrutinizerscrews will go in really easy if you don't miss the old thread20:20
DocScrutinizerof course if a screw already has a defect then all care won't help20:20
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DocScrutinizers/with 2 fingers/between thumb and index finger/20:22
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* DocScrutinizer ponders sending out spare screw sets, for $1.49 plus packaging/portage20:23
RST38hHow low have we fallen, to have to repair these N900s by hand20:24
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: you're free to program your CNC to do that for you ;-)20:25
RST38hYeah =)20:25
mr_jrt2It's quite the classic-car syndrome.20:25
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guylhemok got a working telnet... but what is root password for nin101 initrd ?21:06
guylhemmuch better with a large keyboard :-)21:06
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guylhemok I see no multiboot in /var/lib/dpkg/info21:07
guylhemonly bootmenu21:07
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guylhemwonder what I did that broke it21:10
guylhemno syslog either21:10
guylhemcan't create mmcblock0 with mknod in /dev21:10
NIN101do you want to access maemo emmc partitions?21:11
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guylhemno just my mmc card to create a snapshot of maemo filesystem21:11
NIN101your mmc card is mmcblk0*21:11
guylhemI used the mount root script in /rescueos - maemo is mounted in /mnt21:11
guylhemno such device in /dev21:11
guylhembut it it listed in /proc/devices21:12
guylhemwell I;ll use maemo's /dev files21:13
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NIN101hmm, strange.21:14
guylhemhmm can't either21:14
guylhemno such devices21:14
guylhemtried to remove/put back the mmc but it didn't help21:15
guylhemI'm using the initrd21:16
NIN101I'll take a look if I have a the same problem.21:17
guylhemI guess I'll just do a tarball meanwhile21:17
guylhemI have to check which part is the big 27G part to mount it21:18
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NIN101guylhem: can't confirm it on my device, I have the device nodes21:18
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NIN101guylhem: give "mdev -s" a try...21:19
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guylhemI don't have the nodes, but they are listed in /proc, but if I use maemo copies it doesn;t help. mdev didn't either21:19
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guylhemhow could I mount the big partition? I'll just store the tar gz there21:20
NIN101it's mmcblk1p221:20
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guylhemdoesn't work either21:22
guylhemlooks like I've got a mmc problem21:22
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guylhemok thanks for your help I'll see what I can do. And thanks for your rescueos!21:25
NIN101and with do you mean "doesn't work either", did you mean the nodes are not there or that you got something like "invalid argument" on mounting?21:26
guylhemnodes not there, and can't even access the files from maemo nodes21:26
guylhemcat: can't open '/mnt/maemo/dev/mmcblkp1': No such file or directory21:27
guylhemas if the module was not loaded21:27
NIN101did you look in /dev/?21:27
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guylhemin /dev no mmc*21:27
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guylhemfound the cause for the mmc problem: it had the casing open and didn;t like21:49
guylhemthat. Just closing the cover create the mmc devices21:49
guylhemcover is open, card is now inaccessible21:49
guylhemcover is closed, card is now accessible21:50
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NIN101I kinda knew it :-)21:51
NIN101but actually you should have received kernel messages regarding this.21:51
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guylhemdidn't think about the dmesg until now :-)21:52
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guylhemanyway regarding the reboot loop, any suggestion about what I should look for ?21:53
guylhemwhat services in /etc is the knight rider equivalent to?21:57
guylhem(so that I know from where to start in etc/init.d...)21:57
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psycho_oreoswas that supposed to be many questions in one?21:58
NIN101if you think the problem is bootmenu related you can chroot into maemo and try to remove it..., it's not that you have much to lose now, also keep an eye on your battery.21:59
guylhemis it not charging the battery while connected?22:00
guylhemI guess the problem is related to something I removed from mydocs22:00
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guylhemwhen I typed rm -fr in the wrong window22:01
NIN101no you have to start the charging script yourself bash /rescueOS/charge21.bash, and it will not daemonize -- and own risk :-).22:01
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guylhemin my chroot : Unable to write to /var/cache/apt. maybe I need to mount the emmc in some specific place?22:03
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NIN101yeah it's probably missing optification, and honestly I think you should reflash COMBINED.22:05
guylhemI will ... at the moment I'm just trying22:07
guylhemto see if I can fix the loop22:07
guylhemdo you know which process starts the knight rider light?22:07
NIN101starts /sbin/init, which is upstart22:08
NIN101upstarts scripts are in /etc/event.d/22:08
NIN101but it also uses /etc/init.d22:08
guylhemthx - as soon as my tar backup is done I'll try to remount mydocs from the chroot to do some apt-get22:09
guylhemI'll install syslog - hopefully it wil give me more information22:09
NIN101in /sbin/preinit you'll probably find the bootmenu code, depending how much they edit you can probably simply remove/comment it out and try to start, always assuming bootmenu caused the reboot loop.22:10
NIN101and before you shut down, unmount /mnt/maemo as suggested in the documentation, because not unmounting ubifs is not cool from my experience :-).22:11
guylhemoops. already rebooted once without umounting. it mounted fine however22:13
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guylhemwould you have a vanilla preinit so I can compare?22:14
NIN101not vanilla, sorry :-)22:15
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DocScrutinizerbootmenu most probably didn't cause the bootloop - AIUI multiboot barfed on nuking some data it stored to MyDocs22:31
DocScrutinizerto recover you need a working kernel in NAND, with matching kernel modules in /22:32
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DocScrutinizerprobably mutliboot renamed the modules directory to point to that of a "new" (possibly android) kernel, but then on next boot failed to flash the matching kernel due to the kernel image to flash from been gone on MyDocs  (talking outa my arse here)22:33
guylhemI am not using multiboot - my mistake. I was thinking about bootmenu22:34
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guylhemI've found some info about flag no-lifeguard-reset I'll try that with syslog to see where the problems comes from. I hate that I don't understand what's happening there22:35
DocScrutinizerhmm, whatever, bootmenu is hooked into rescue boot, and it all depends on one single file in / that can simply get renamed/deleted to disable rescueboot+bootmenu22:35
guylhemif it's something I did I'd rather know why to avoid doing it again22:35
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DocScrutinizergood thinking22:36
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guylhemI have to go and get a hard drive for backups (main computer down too, due to the same accidental rm -fr..., but I understand what happened there :-), brb22:37
guylhemshops will close in ~2 h22:37
DocScrutinizerto neuter bootmenu, do >> mv / /bootmenu.sh_away <<22:37
DocScrutinizerbut I never heard bootmenu caused a bootloop22:38
guylhemI'll try - hopefully I'll find a way to add a debug to the boot process to see which preinit step or /etc/rc2.d file is causing the problem22:38
guylhemwe will know for sure. I won't give up until tomorrow22:38
guylhemgot myself a full day to understand before nuking it :-)22:39
* guylhem going to buy a hd22:39
DocScrutinizerbring one for me as well please! :-D22:39
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psycho_oreosanyone still have that link that shows two N9, one is genuine N9 and the other is the prototype W9 depicting W9 is not powered by meego?23:02
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RST38hOMG they are advertising windows phone on tv23:28
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* guylhem found a 1To WD for 99 Eur23:56
* guylhem wished he did his rm a week after buying the same hd in the US at a lesser price 23:57
psycho_oreosyou meant 1Tb23:58

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