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| amiconn | According to my own observations, 2/2.5G sucks more battery power than 3/3.5G on N900 | 00:11 |
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| amiconn | Maybe it depends on usage patterns | 00:12 |
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| Sicelo_ | i get standby draw of less than 20mA on 2G, but over 100 for 3G. will test further, as 3G is quite new for me :P | 00:16 |
| javispedro | oh | 00:17 |
| javispedro | what is this "Infrared touch screen" the new Kindle sports with? | 00:18 |
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| Sicelo__ | :P | 00:27 |
| Sicelo__ | if u minimize xchat to tray on N900, how do u bring it back? | 00:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | heh, the news entry on tizen.org is written by DawnFoster | 00:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | great.. | 00:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | so she knew about it.. | 00:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee | you know, i've never been mad at certain people within the context of a faceless organization | 00:30 |
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| javispedro | welcome to the club! | 00:30 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but i may make an exception this time..the more i find out about how all this transition has been handled | 00:30 |
| javispedro | it's ironic you mention this in #maemo | 00:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | the more I want to go over to the Linux Foundation, and club some heads | 00:30 |
| javispedro | you get used to it after one such transition | 00:31 |
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| javispedro | the second one doesn't feel nearly as bad ;P | 00:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | javispedro: wanna start a betting pool to see when it happens agian? | 00:31 |
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| javispedro | pfft, I'd win. | 00:32 |
| javispedro | somebuy buy a Kindle Touch and tell me if this new "IR Touchscreen" is precise enough to be used with a stylus | 00:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee | most likely not | 00:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | everybody has gone all googoogaagaa over capactive displays | 00:33 |
| javispedro | which is why I'm surprised they _haven't_ | 00:33 |
| javispedro | if this works as I guess it works, it _will_ work with a stylus, albeit I don't know the resolution | 00:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* | 00:34 |
| javispedro | man, a move away from capacitive would make my day. | 00:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | javispredro: my issue really lately has been.. I want to get an N9...but I'm not sure i'll actually be able to get one.. I have an N950 here as a dev unit which I am using for LinuxMCE research work...and it makes me cry...because this IS overall the best unit that Nokia has made to date. | 00:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | they knocked it out of the park, from the user perspective | 00:36 |
| javispedro | TSCHAKeee: if you have the required ~$700 you'll get one if you wish so. | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | javispedro: from my understanding there was a very small run of the units, less than 100,000, is this correct? | 00:36 |
| javispedro | no idea | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | I will try to get one...regardless of whether I do or not... | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am keeping my N950 and taking the cash hit. | 00:37 |
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| javispedro | I don't know why are you assuming it will sell out even if they make only 10000 ;P | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | (and no, it has nothing to do with the keyboard. I think the Harmattan vkb is wonderful, and it's all i use now) | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | for me, this is symbolic of a swan song... I am glad, that Nokia was able to make not one, but five distinct production runs of some very compatively open hardware | 00:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | I'm glad Maemo got the chance to exist. | 00:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | good god, with all the other projects i've been aware of in this world, that's a miracle. | 00:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | but i keep these units, like I keep my Amiga 1000, and my NeXT cube...because for a moment, a group of people got together and made something that THEY wanted themselves, and brought it out to the rest of the world. | 00:41 |
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| merlin1991 | about the 3g 2g discussion earlier, any ideas why the n900 might stop to allow 2g? | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | when I set it to 2g in the phone settings it just jumps back to 3g | 00:44 |
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| ShadowJK | never seen that before | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder what it would do if a carrier somehow signals that there are no 2G services available | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably user wouldn't expect a switch to 2G actually meant "go offline" | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so this behaviour makes sense in my book, under certain circumstances | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: problem is, my carrier does have 2g coverage here | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | so that can't be the reason | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe not ATM | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | my carrier refused any data services via 2G, some 2 days ago | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | tried it several times over several months | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | (probably the DHCP server been borked, on 2G) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: oh, so it never worked? | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | it did about a year ago | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | but I've been on 3g only for quite some time, then wanted to check batteryimpact, and ever since it doesn't work | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be a carrier side bad config, signalling to the phone some crap that is plain false | 00:54 |
| merlin1991 | yeah, going to 2g does nothing, stays at 3g and if I go back to the menu the menu value is again at 3g | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you're using the ssytemmenu applet, or the settings control? | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | system menu, not some applet | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's an applet afaik | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | try the genuine settings->phone | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | I mean not some desktop switcher applet | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | but the genuine settings -> phone | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: kinda hard to remote-debug | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | next time my sister is around I'll borrow her n900 and try it there | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's in syslog? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ooh, and: can you switch to "dual"? | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | trying | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | nope jumped back to 3g from dual too | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's definitely a bug then | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suspect you got some auto-switcher installed that promised to go back to 2G as soon as there's no data traffic. Not it locked somehow to 3G | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/Not/Now/ | 01:00 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: I suspect you got some auto-switcher installed that promised to go back to 2G as soon as there's no data traffic. Now it locked somehow to 3G | 01:00 |
| merlin1991 | nope no autoswitcher at all | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure? | 01:00 |
| merlin1991 | I've got tweego, quassel2go, sociality, jspeed, cutubeqml, maddeveloper, rdesktop, some vnc hen, mags mediaplayer and cssu | 01:01 |
| merlin1991 | but nothing else | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's jspeed? | 01:01 |
| merlin1991 | gps thingy, just shows you your current speed in huge letters and keeps trip data like average speed, ... | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | some AT 3GPP wizard might talk you through the appropriate pnatd AT+CFUN? etc commands to ask the modem about its notion regarding 2G/3G | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not such a wizard | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reflash? | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (COMBINED only) | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with a proper backupmenu backup it should be painless to give it a try | 01:05 |
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| merlin1991 | reflashed already some times since it first stopped working | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pretty strange, I'd try a final full reflash, COMBINED and VANILLA, not restore any backups, and try with a plain vanilla stock 1.3 system. If it still doesn't work, and your locale version of COMBINED image is correct (either the right one or the global one), then it's obviously a bug in your hw or SIM, as for my understanding setting DUAL mode should be both default and always possible to set | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might test with another SIM for same carrier | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | testing this SIM in another phone may not reveal much, as incompatibilities between a bug in SIM and a particular model of modem are quite possible | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | less screwed: the bug in SIM, if any, may show only in N900 | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, amazon kindle fire - 199bucks | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you could unlock it and get a proper OS running, it might be well an interesting purchase | 01:39 |
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| psychologe | i want let opera access compute version facebook.not mobile version.how to do it,i change the user-agent.but can't | 05:08 |
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| zeroproximity1 | whats the best tablet to get to install native maemo/meego on it? | 05:57 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | there must be some sort of exploit on the forum | 06:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | how are spambots getting to register accounts | 06:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | there's 3 different forms of identification | 06:05 |
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| CableTwitch | Yar! | 07:18 |
| CableTwitch | Damnit, who was I talking to the other day? | 07:18 |
| CableTwitch | It matters not, I guess. I think I managed to solve the screen locking issues on the N900, with a bit of luck. In case anyone is interested. | 07:20 |
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| mece | meltemi outed by wall street journal today. | 09:39 |
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| ruskie | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/09/29/playbook_price_cuts_stock/ | 11:51 |
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| ruskie | Speaking at the International High-Tech Patent Litigation Conference <-- you're joking... there is a conference for that???? | 11:54 |
| pabs3 | lol | 11:56 |
| pabs3 | so they are to blame for the patent armageddon | 11:56 |
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| Corsac | arf meltimi | 12:45 |
| Corsac | meltemi | 12:45 |
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| rd | I created a directory ~/MyDocs/Navit/Icons with lots of icons in it. Now the photo app displays them all. Can I exclude a directory in MyDocs from the search path for the photo app? | 13:27 |
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| rmrfchik | nokia develops new linux based OS for phones. insane. | 13:31 |
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| rmrfchik | according to wall street journal | 13:32 |
| CableTwitch | Whee, I think I sorted my screen-lock woes. | 13:32 |
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| CableTwitch | Dodgey slider switch. Due to the tiny size, I can't tell if the solder joints were fatigues, or the body of the switch was loose. Either way, it's sorted. | 13:33 |
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| CableTwitch | Fatigued, even. | 13:34 |
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| maybeArgh | rmrfchik: this has to be the best troll ever | 13:34 |
| rmrfchik | i just can't believe | 13:35 |
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| rmrfchik | the only thing why it can be technically argued -- this OS is for low end phones. but I believe meege had ability to run on it | 13:36 |
| rmrfchik | anyway, elop does know how to spend money | 13:37 |
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| khertan | rmrfchik: in fact in know how to spend money ... by giving it to MS | 13:49 |
| khertan | s/in/he | 13:49 |
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| * CableTwitch detects an anti-MS diatribe in the making... | 13:53 | |
| rmrfchik | khertan: and develop 3 linux os in a row | 13:54 |
| rmrfchik | moar OSes, MOAR! | 13:55 |
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| khertan | CableTwitch: oh ... no there isn't ... they really spent money for windows phone licence | 14:07 |
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| khertan | Tizen SDK : http://t.co/mSaUhuCm | 14:08 |
| CableTwitch | Well, could be worse. They could keep using symbian. | 14:08 |
| RST38h | Symbian is not that bad | 14:09 |
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| CableTwitch | Yes, but then there are a lot of thing that could be dire, yet still 'not that bad' compared to other things. Doesn't stop them being dire though :O) | 14:11 |
| CableTwitch | The E70 I had would have been awesome, if it hadn't used S60 | 14:11 |
| RST38h | The E70 was fine | 14:12 |
| RST38h | As much as everyone appears to hate Symbian, it is the most advanced, most ergonomic mobile phone platform out there | 14:12 |
| RST38h | You can operate a symbian phone with one hand, and it mostly still remains a PHONE | 14:13 |
| CableTwitch | Oh, the E70 was a great form factor. Just wish the OS had been less braindead. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | It has got real multitasking | 14:13 |
| CableTwitch | Yes, very handy, except it had sod all RAM | 14:14 |
| khertan | (i'm not sure it s a real multitacking) | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Well they have not updated E70 firmware in eternity, but this is not the same for every S60 phone. Some get updated regularly, like the same 5800 for example | 14:14 |
| CableTwitch | Kinda kneecapped the multitasking a fair bit. | 14:14 |
| RST38h | khertan: Symbian has got *real* multitasking. | 14:14 |
| RST38h | khertan: I developed for it, I know. | 14:14 |
| khertan | it s not Cooperative ? | 14:14 |
| CableTwitch | Symbian might have worked a lot better with the N900 spec, but alas, at the time it was stupidly expensive to make. | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | woohoo cooperative multitasking, haven't heard that term since win3.11 times | 16:26 |
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| e0x | DocScrutinizer: lol | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Doc: WHERE? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | win2? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm pretty sure win95 already had preemptive | 16:30 |
| rmrfchik | it had | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure about win3.11 though | 16:31 |
| jaska | it could pre-empt atleast two dos command.com sessions | 16:32 |
| jaska | on a 386+ | 16:33 |
| jaska | dunno if 3.11 ran below that.. 3.1 did | 16:33 |
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| edheldil | jaska: simula 67 has cooperative multitasking | 16:42 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: they sunk? | 16:56 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Blown away would be the appropriate pun, I guess | 16:56 |
| RST38h | Oh well | 16:56 |
| dm8tbr | Jaffa: or caught by calm | 16:57 |
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| thessy | hi, on my n900 i can not use voip to call normal telephone numbers | 17:08 |
| thessy | sip account is registered, but under advanced settings there is no option "Use for telephone numbers" | 17:09 |
| thessy | any hints to solve that? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | reinstall the bits apt-get autoremove killed for you - moment please... | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip | 17:11 |
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| thessy | DocScrutinizer: yeah, apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support solved it. Thanx! | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | glad to help | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | out of interest: you did a apt-get autoremove, or are using CSSU (which does same crap), or no idea how you managed to nuke those bits? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/out of interest/for the statistics/. | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | thessy: ^^^ | 17:22 |
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| thessy | using cssu | 17:22 |
| thessy | i can't remember to 'apt-get autoremove' ;-) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu is known to resurrect that friggin bug with every new rev release | 17:24 |
| thessy | ok, good to know | 17:26 |
| pauly2 | Meow! | 17:26 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: well, iOS-like multitasking *does* help with battery life | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | given you got apps that don't behave (needs devels that don't have a clue) then yes | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like "don't give them proper tools, they don't know how to use them and will just break stuff when they use them" | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas a spreading notion among system architects and product designers at large | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | "don't allow developers to use a proper preemptive multitasking, they will just abuse it to rape CPU for no good reason" | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not may way to approach development - neither with my system architect hat on, nor when I have to do development on $RANDOM_PLATFORM | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | there have to be better ways than neutering the better half of OS functionality, to force-teach devels how to do it right | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | for apps not behaving there are e.g. quotas, since decades | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the spinning-idle app gets nuked after 3..5min, due to exceeding CPU quota, the devel either may start to think what's wrong with his app, or will have to read the warning about "do not request quota extension if you can't explain why your app needs to rape CPU and battery" | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | simply locking those advanced capabilities (like multitasking) is a method I don't even consider adequate for 4-yo childs | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | children* | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as nobody will learn from never touching stuff that is considered "problematic" | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you're pissing those who actually *know* what they're doing and would want to make good purpose of such capabilities | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's no 4 weeks ago when I suggested to augment the usleep() to kill -SIGSTOP any app that is calling this function from same programcounter addr with same parameters for more than N (20) times in timewindow t (5s) | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are plenty of ways to deal with poorly talented developers - restricting the toolset is not one of the smart ones | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like not handing out forks and knifes in a restaurant as possibly some child or idiot might not know how to use them | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: a specialized tool that calculates battery-consumption accounts for each process (by taking into account the number of resumes from a lower C state caused by that process, plus the time it keeps the system active, plus the power used for CPU cycles and peripheral activity like WLAN / GPRS xfers, screen refreshes, whatnot else) would be a way better method to "help with battery life" - make that a daemon that always keeps track and | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hollers when some process misbehaves despite not on the whitelist, and you for sure got a better system design that with not allowing *any* multitasking | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | than with* | 19:23 |
| kerio | yeah, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU GET FANCY ICONS | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | actually, the idea of checking what app keeps the CPU busy is pretty lame | 19:28 |
| kerio | no sir, you are lame | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and how would you make sure no rogue app is abusing the indicator LED via mce activate PatternSMS? errr sorry wrong chan | 19:28 |
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| crashanddie | as I could have an app that keeps a long-term handle on the CPU while talking to the low-power DSP, use less than the 1s python script that hits the CPU full blast and forces it to go full speed and dual core... | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ???? | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | nevermind | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus the power used for CPU cycles | 19:30 |
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| crashanddie | it's been a long day, i'm probably completely off topic | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd happily admit I forgot one or another detail in my above concept draft, but handles on CPU is not one of them | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as long as scheduler allocated a timeslice of CPU runtime to a process and that process isn't sleeping but actually running, the CPU power consumption is on that process' account (you can estimate the power consumption sufficiently precise from CPU clock freq at that moment) | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/moment/during that period/ (ok) | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could even imagine to augment system guts and htop so it shows a col "CPU mAh" next to "TIME+" | 19:39 |
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| ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-Meltemi-plus-Tizen-update/ <-- erm | 19:46 |
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| Venemo | so, why doesn't nokia join tizen instead of doing their meltemi crap? | 19:46 |
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| ruskie | Venemo, because they don't control it? | 19:47 |
| Venemo | ruskie, they could have. with meego. they're damn idiots. | 19:47 |
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| ruskie | Venemo, they should have just stuck with maemo | 19:48 |
| ruskie | Venemo, I think that might be part of the reason... they aren't the sole controllers of it | 19:49 |
| Venemo | well then, why are they dropping harmattan? | 19:49 |
| Venemo | harmattan is maemo, and meltemi could build on harmattan... but nooooooo, they're reinventing the wheel again. | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, I suggest you stop asking illogical questions | 19:50 |
| Venemo | RST38h, what would be the logical question to ask? | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Venemo: "What platform am I going to use next?" | 19:50 |
| RST38h | All these "why they..." have got a simple, opaque answer - "because of the internal politics" | 19:51 |
| Venemo | RST38h, I don't see any platforms even worth considering. WP7 seems to be remotely fun, but by the time I got bored of Harmattan, even that will not be the case. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | So, concentrate on more practical stuff =) | 19:51 |
| Venemo | hehe | 19:53 |
| Venemo | that's what I'll do | 19:53 |
| ruskie | maybe meltemi will be my next platform to use | 19:53 |
| ruskie | depends on the devices | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo5-CSSU FTW and FTF (future) | 20:00 |
| RST38h | I thought you hated it? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | me? hated? CSSU? nah!! | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've been quite a bit of pissed when I learned the 8(?) update would make everything rotate on random even more than the version I've been on at that time, and I updated to "recent" when there emerged a gconf key to set up m-h-d aka cssu-HD to a mostly standard (non-auto-portaitmode'ing) behaviour again | 20:07 |
| * ruskie hasn't updated CSSU in quite a few months | 20:09 | |
| ruskie | hell haven't updated the system in quite a few months in general | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>things (not only) for CSSU<< | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: seems I edited my tools page to adopt my switching to PR1.3+CSSU at 2011-03-09 ->http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:Joerg_rw/tools&diff=42564&oldid=41926 | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why would I hate CSSU? | 20:15 |
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| RST38h | mghm | 20:16 |
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| doc|home | http://www.slashgear.com/meltemi-tipped-as-nokias-new-open-source-os-ambition-29183898/ | 20:28 |
| doc|home | arse-elbow situation going on at nokia | 20:29 |
| dzho | haha, yeah | 20:29 |
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| dzho | what is this, like the 4th open source OS stab things for them? | 20:29 |
| doc|home | "According to arch-insider Eldar Murtazin, Meltemi will use a subset of Nokia’s original Maemo team, with the OS itself using the same UI. However the underlying kernel will be different." | 20:29 |
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| doc|home | that's what? a couple of hours work!? | 20:29 |
| dzho | Maemo, Meego, Symbian and now this? | 20:29 |
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| doc|home | damn it samsung | 20:33 |
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| doc|home | if I was buying another phone Samsung's at the top of the list up to now, but now they're paying microsoft's patent protection racket fee | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | bora, chinook, diablo, e ??, fremantle, g ??, harmattan, i ?? j?? k?? l ??, meltemi | 20:34 |
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| doc|home | haha | 20:34 |
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| ohookins | x29a: i saw you were asking about long double in the chat logs a couple of months ago, did you resolve that problem with fabsl? | 21:10 |
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| angelox|laptop | Hey Guys! | 21:26 |
| angelox|laptop | i want to make the vibrator work from the x terminal,some way of doing that? | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: see phonecontrol wiki | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Start_vibrating | 21:37 |
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| smhar | what version of python does the maemo support? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2.5 afaik | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be wrong | 21:41 |
| baraujo | DocScrutinizer, smhar it is 2.5 indeed | 21:41 |
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| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer: i'll see,thank you | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: there's allegedly also some dbus msg to directly control strength and duration of vibra, but it never woked for me | 21:43 |
| angelox|laptop | i wanna leave it powered on | 21:44 |
| angelox|laptop | i need down all the battery | 21:44 |
| * angelox|laptop doesn't know the correct work to that phrase | 21:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | insane, but hey, just stop mce and use /sys/*/*vibra*/brightness | 21:44 |
| angelox|laptop | i've about 22 appps running + wifi + bluetooth + radio transmitter and the baterry still at 50% :) | 21:45 |
| angelox|laptop | i see... | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, forget the 22 apps, won't help | 21:45 |
| angelox|laptop | won't ? :( | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ramp up brightness of screen all the way, and playback a video. meanwhile upload stuff via 2G. If you wanna go fancy, enable vboost and plug some USB fan or mugwarmer to the N900 USB | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | one shell with "while true; do :; done" is as good (or better) as 22 random apps | 21:48 |
| angelox|laptop | :) | 21:48 |
| angelox|laptop | it did down to 35%~ now | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | but video playbeck is even better still | 21:48 |
| angelox|laptop | forgot to say,listening audio + GPS.. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | radio TX is completely useless | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | bluetooth mostly | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, loud audio helps a lot | 21:49 |
| angelox|laptop | sure? | 21:49 |
| angelox|laptop | i didn't know,thought radio tx would eat a lot of battery | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | virtually nothing | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | fntx that is | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | FMTX | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | GSM eats most | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so uploading data via GSM/GPRS will pretty much max out your battery consumption | 21:51 |
| angelox|laptop | hmm i see | 21:52 |
| angelox|laptop | but i'd pay | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | the downside | 21:52 |
| angelox|laptop | and in Brazil... | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so do a phonecall to a free number, and make sure you have loud music in background so GSM voice always has some content to send | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | is as good as sending data via GPRS | 21:53 |
| Sicelo | or use ad-hoc wifi :P | 21:54 |
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| angelox|laptop | :) | 21:55 |
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| angelox|laptop | there's some way to check device's temperature(or at least,of the battery)? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the modem is power hog #1, rank 2 screen backlight and CPU/GPU, then possibly WLAN (100mW no PSM, active) / flashlight / vibrator / vboost al | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery temperature can NOT be checked really | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also you don't really care about battery temp that you can read out, I'd rather suggest to remove back cover to give bat some fresh air ;-) | 21:57 |
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| angelox|laptop | of course,it's very hot now :) | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's not from battery getting hot, but from device heating it | 21:58 |
| angelox|laptop | ah ok | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | may i ask the purpose for this angelox|laptop? :) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah | 21:58 |
| doc|home | DocScrutinizer: which uses more, 3.5g data or wifi? | 21:58 |
| angelox|laptop | Sicelo: i'll bring it to the techinical center again | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3.5 clearly | 21:59 |
| doc|home | hmmm | 21:59 |
| doc|home | never seemed that way to me *shrug* | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, depends - in *some* situation 3G can be even more economic than WLAN | 22:00 |
| dangergrrl | running transmission will chew battery :) | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | not if you're sitting 50m from BTS and TX gets ramped down to 10mW TX power | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's the BTS that decides about it, like "please speak louder, can't hear you" or "don't shout, can hear you clearly, you're scaring the kids" | 22:02 |
| dangergrrl | transmission besides using bandwidth also tends to page fault a lot | 22:02 |
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| RST38h | probably mmap()s files it transers | 22:02 |
| dangergrrl | probably wear out your flash too :) | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | fud | 22:03 |
| RST38h | nah | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the network socket doesn't access mmap'd files | 22:04 |
| RST38h | it is not rewriting stuff over and over, just maps the whole destination file to memory and starts writing it | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHO is doing that? | 22:04 |
| RST38h | transmission | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | no such process on my system | 22:05 |
| RST38h | then do not worry about it | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff | 22:05 |
| nox- | thats a torrent client right? | 22:05 |
| dangergrrl | i don't think so, transmission on this laptop seeding a 6.36 GiB torrent is using little | 22:05 |
| dangergrrl | no idea why it trashes the n900 so badly | 22:05 |
| dangergrrl | 7985 ariana 20 0 375m 19m 14m S 0 0.3 0:01.09 transmission-gt | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooo man! transmission is an app?? | 22:06 |
| nox- | torrent writes in random order in sparse(?) files... | 22:06 |
| RST38h | many sockets open, a lot of traffic | 22:06 |
| dangergrrl | 19m resident | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Yes, Doc. Didn't you know? | 22:06 |
| dangergrrl | it is a bittorrent client | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah how should I? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict transmission | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Doc: It is kinda well known... | 22:06 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'transmission' (1 of 7): the fraction of radiant energy that passes through a substance . | 22:06 |
| dangergrrl | guess you don't pirate using the n900 :) | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff again | 22:07 |
| dangergrrl | aria2c runs on the n900 too and seems less to eat the machine | 22:07 |
| * RST38h goes off to add a file selection dialog to an android a | 22:07 | |
| dangergrrl | google finds no 64gb magenta n9's for sale anywhere | 22:08 |
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| dangergrrl | all kinds of people offering to sell the 16gb ones they don't have | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems they want to start with the 16GB variant | 22:08 |
| RST38h | dangergrrl: Don't be shy, just say PINK. | 22:08 |
| dangergrrl | PINKJ | 22:09 |
| dangergrrl | like my hair! | 22:09 |
| dangergrrl | and my motorcycle helmet | 22:09 |
| dangergrrl | at any rate i doubt i will have one anytime soon | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that legal? won't it cause accidents? | 22:10 |
| dangergrrl | looks like the 64gb ones will cost about a months pay for me | 22:10 |
| ohookins | this is not really a maemo-specific question, but could anybody tell me how i can get dh_quilt_patch to only apply a patch for a certain architecture? | 22:10 |
| ohookins | (obviously for arm) | 22:10 |
| dangergrrl | actually the pink helmet increases visibility which increases my safety imo | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 22:11 |
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| Gadgetoid | What on earth is going on with Meego? | 22:13 |
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| hiemanshu | the same thing that happened to Maemo | 22:13 |
| Gadgetoid | Gurgle, is all I have to say to that! | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just stay here with us and have a pleasant time ;-D | 22:18 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: you are gonna entertain him? :P | 22:18 |
| Gadgetoid | I want Maemo back, and I want my N810 to stop running out of battery | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo always been there | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even gets better with each single day | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth you can't say about meego or whatever else is the buzzword of the week | 22:20 |
| Gadgetoid | SSU isn't on ye olde hardware though | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 22:20 |
| * ShadowJK needs a new battery for his N810 too | 22:20 | |
| Gadgetoid | DocScrutinizer: am I wrong in thinking the N810 no longer gets OS updates of any sort? | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I heard there's a CSSU effort for diablo as well | 22:22 |
| Gadgetoid | I gave up with the N900, the latest SSU wants me to reflash again, and I can't be fecked to whittle down some more space in root | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and actually I got some updates a few weeks ago iirc | 22:22 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmm, inteeeresting | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | latest Cssu? | 22:24 |
| Gadgetoid | Aye | 22:24 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs - missing free space isn't CSSU's fault, and same advices like for even 1.2 update apply | 22:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I had no problems to update CSSU "ota" (without flashing), and I skipped quite a number of releases | 22:28 |
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| Gadgetoid | I'm a hardcore optifier, though, tis weird… I symlink the shit out of things | 22:32 |
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| Gadgetoid | Ach, well, I'll fix it sooner or later | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could try to temporarily move away this friggin >20MB locales file | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually wonder why it needs to sit in rootfs anyway | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23911920 2010-02-19 11:58 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ubi0:rootfs 228M 170M 54M 76% / | 22:41 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: du not df | 22:42 |
| hiemanshu | for dirs | 22:42 |
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| hiemanshu | du -chs | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but when I want df, what then? | 22:42 |
| hiemanshu | df for paritions | 22:42 |
| hiemanshu | du for dirs | 22:42 |
| ohookins | it is probably common libc locale catalogs | 22:42 |
| ohookins | anything that links against libc could potentially use them | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: does that result of df look any wrong to you? | 22:43 |
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| hiemanshu | df -h /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive, I was thinking you wanted to know how much that dir is using | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus it shows where /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive really lives | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not a dir, that's a file | 22:44 |
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| hiemanshu | ah | 22:45 |
| hiemanshu | then ls -lh :P | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | to do what? | 22:45 |
| hiemanshu | nvm | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the command above does exactly what I want it to do, and I can't thik of any shorter way to do all that | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it shows the free/used of my /, lists the file I suggested to move away temporarily, and proves this file actually lives on root | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | compare: | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26M 2010-02-06 03:54 /home/opt/maemo/usr/lib/wireshark/libwireshark.so.0.0.1 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h /home/opt/maemo/usr/lib/wireshark/libwireshark.so.0.0.1 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2,0G 723M 1,2G 38% /home | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bad example | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h /var/run/bme.pid | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmpfs 256K 100K 156K 40% /var/run | 22:55 |
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| Soder | uhh..youtube liger nere | 23:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | 502s here too | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | Service unavailable | 23:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Actually it asked me captcha first, that worked | 23:21 |
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| Macer | hm. haven't heard from my buddy today | 23:35 |
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| Macer | maybe he had a problem with the n900 soldering. :) ah well. | 23:35 |
| Macer | i guess i can just wait and buy a used one from ebay | 23:36 |
| Macer | for $400 :/ | 23:36 |
| Macer | or get a battery charger.. but that would totally suck | 23:36 |
| jiero | Ubuntu Mono - the typeface Released. http://i.imgur.com/RineS.png | 23:36 |
| jiero | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/ubuntu-monospace-font-released/ | 23:37 |
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