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| ioan | hi. does CSSU work with kernel power? | 01:11 |
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| NIN101 | yes | 01:14 |
| ioan | thanks | 01:17 |
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| Macer | well... my buddy got what he believes is the proper port ... i didnt know these things were so specific | 02:02 |
| Macer | lame | 02:02 |
| Macer | he said he is going to try to reflow it on wednesday when the ports get there | 02:03 |
| Macer | fingers crossed | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Good luck. | 02:03 |
| Macer | hope i get my n900 back and working soon | 02:03 |
| Macer | :-) | 02:03 |
| Macer | because there is no way i would ever get an n9 | 02:04 |
| Macer | lol | 02:04 |
| Macer | maybe an n950 if nokia wasnt being stupid and not releasing it to the public | 02:04 |
| Macer | n9 for almost 900 tho? no thanks | 02:05 |
| Macer | rip off .. no qwerty either? fail :-) | 02:05 |
| Robot101 | I just got a Pre 3 | 02:06 |
| Robot101 | pretty cool except my HP webOS profile is on a server which is broken, so I had to hack it to activate it. uh oh. | 02:06 |
| Robot101 | but, I've got two phones because I'm an idiot, so I can have a Pre 3 for QWERTY and an N9 as the other | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | N9's pretty good | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | the vkb is good | 02:07 |
| javispedro | Robot101: where did you get it? | 02:11 |
| Robot101 | javispedro: ebay | 02:11 |
| javispedro | hm.. | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | anyone used a Motorola Xoom? | 02:12 |
| Robot101 | the keyboard is it's just a smidge bigger than the Pre2 which makes it typable on (at speed) for me | 02:13 |
| Robot101 | I'm very used to the N900 keyboard and the Pre 2 was just too small for me | 02:13 |
| Robot101 | e-mail just works, unlike Modest which just cries in the corner when it sees my mailboxes | 02:13 |
| Robot101 | calendar and contacts sync seamlessly with gmail and facebook | 02:13 |
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| pauly | hi | 02:24 |
| pauly | i miss my n900 | 02:25 |
| pauly | i sold it and bought a n8 | 02:25 |
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| javispedro | that was an error ;P | 02:26 |
| Paul123 | lol | 02:27 |
| Paul123 | i sold it because it was a constant pain but i miss always having to charge it and flash it all my n8 does is take pics | 02:28 |
| chem|st | Paul123: constant pain? I am running testing + devel things + cssu-testing and apart of no-sim error once every ~120 days I have no problem, last time I was force to flash was the PR upgrade | 02:33 |
| Paul123 | mines always had problems | 02:34 |
| chem|st | I stopped using skype, that made a huge difference! | 02:34 |
| Paul123 | having fcam and kernel power messed it up | 02:34 |
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| Paul123 | i sold my n900 on ebay but now the guy got his money back because he says it dont work but that cant be possible so hopefully he'll send it back | 02:36 |
| chem|st | since the cssu camui is fixed (or the bugs changed^^) I use that, for playing with the cam fcam was/is nice but there is no need | 02:36 |
| chem|st | he should do that | 02:36 |
| Paul123 | paypal send me half my money back | 02:37 |
| chem|st | so he got 50% back till he ships the device back to you? | 02:37 |
| Paul123 | no he has 100% | 02:37 |
| chem|st | for how long? | 02:37 |
| chem|st | have you requested the device | 02:38 |
| Paul123 | bacause i was too lazy to respond to paypal they beleived him | 02:38 |
| Paul123 | yesterday | 02:38 |
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| Paul123 | i doubt hes gonna send it lol | 02:39 |
| Paul123 | i hope though | 02:39 |
| chem|st | request it, and tell paypal, the money is frozen in his account for some days | 02:40 |
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| Paul123 | i think it was removed | 02:40 |
| chem|st | "to lazy" is no excuse | 02:40 |
| Paul123 | the hold | 02:40 |
| Paul123 | i know my fault paypal gave me half out of their pocket | 02:40 |
| Paul123 | not the buyers | 02:41 |
| chem|st | ehrm so you got 50% and paypal refunded 100%? | 02:41 |
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| Paul123 | ya he has all his cash back and paypal gave me 50% because paypal was nice | 02:42 |
| Paul123 | hes in st lucia! | 02:42 |
| Paul123 | i still have my n900 thats broke and a n8 so i might buy a n9 | 02:43 |
| chem|st | I would request the device, either way, if it is broken, I would tell paypal that it was fully functional when you sent it... | 02:43 |
| Paul123 | i did | 02:43 |
| chem|st | even broken n900s sell on ebay... | 02:44 |
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| chem|st | and I am sure n8s do too | 02:44 |
| Paul123 | ya | 02:44 |
| Paul123 | i want to fix my broken one | 02:44 |
| Paul123 | mohammad said he might fix my screen and digitizer | 02:45 |
| Paul123 | and still got to fix usb | 02:45 |
| Paul123 | so hopefully ill get the good n900 back in the mail sell my n8, buy a n9 and ill be happy with a n900 and n9! :) | 02:47 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:36 |
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| Macer | heh | 04:47 |
| Macer | well. i love my n900 | 04:47 |
| Macer | i miss it. stupid usb port | 04:47 |
| Macer | :-) | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Nokia | 04:47 |
| Macer | what a pain | 04:47 |
| Macer | haha | 04:47 |
| sheepbat | indeed, GeneralAntilles | 04:48 |
| Macer | well... my buddy gets the new port in tomorrow. he said it was a lot easier to find it with the n900 there | 04:48 |
| sheepbat | I would be more inclined to go buy an N9 if I knew it'd actually do some good | 04:48 |
| Macer | so hopefully he can ship it out thursday | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can buy N9s? :P | 04:48 |
| Macer | i would get one if it had a qwerty | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where are you? Australia (Pff) | 04:48 |
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| sheepbat | I thought they were on sale now | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But only in places like China and Australia | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not actual real places where real people with money for Nokia products live. | 04:50 |
| sheepbat | I'd pay the shipping.. | 04:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gray market N9s are probably gonna go for $800 USD | 04:52 |
| sheepbat | hmm | 04:52 |
| sheepbat | ..yeah, i'd go for that | 04:52 |
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| sheepbat | my n900's getting a bit old.. I'd be fine with $800 for an upgrade | 04:56 |
| AndrewX192 | I wish I could fix my hildon-desktop crashes | 04:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | sheepbat: So would I. | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | (If I had the cash) | 05:02 |
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| Termana | GeneralAntilles, oi, withdraw that comment | 05:55 |
| Termana | Australia is a real place with real people. And the last time I checked, our economy was going a whole lot better than yours buddy | 05:55 |
| Macer | damn | 05:55 |
| Termana | :p | 05:55 |
| Macer | heh | 06:01 |
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| Pauly2 | hello | 08:18 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/apple_trademark_follies/ <-- well one positive step so far | 08:33 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, can you switch to iOS and kill that off for us? :P | 08:44 |
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| khertan | Morning | 09:47 |
| hiemanshu | Morning | 09:48 |
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| flux | hmm, this may be relevant: https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego - meego's dead, tizen is the new hotness? | 10:00 |
| khertan | hotness if you consider html and javascript hot | 10:01 |
| khertan | ... | 10:01 |
| flux | welcome html5-apps-only-world :( | 10:01 |
| wmarone | flux: watching the fires burn in #tizen | 10:01 |
| flux | didn't webos already try that thing anyway? | 10:01 |
| flux | maybe tizen would've made sense if they were able to continue the webos effort | 10:01 |
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| pabs3 | wmarone: fires of #meego are fun too | 10:05 |
| wmarone | oh yes | 10:05 |
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| wmarone | but this is just a fresh dousing of gasoline | 10:05 |
| wmarone | intel's done a bang up job at dropping the ball | 10:05 |
| pabs3 | as have Nokia :) | 10:07 |
| robbiethe1st | Sounds like someone ought to simply quit all this madness, and go back to a Maemo-clone, based on near-stock debian. create a PowerTablet and PowerPhone with the best multitasking and professional applications in the world | 10:13 |
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| pabs3 | robbiethe1st: as a Debian developer, I could only advise removing the phrase near-stock | 10:15 |
| pabs3 | robbiethe1st: although the pkg-maemo folks recently had hildon/etc removed from Debian, since they figured maemo was abandoned | 10:15 |
| khertan | :) | 10:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, I'd /like/ stock debian, but that would be *very* unlikely. | 10:16 |
| robbiethe1st | So decended from debian, like Ubuntu or Maemo would be my next choice. | 10:16 |
| pabs3 | yeah, even the OpenMoko devices are still not supported by Debian years later, mainly due to lack of interest from the OpenMoko guys in upstreaming kernel patches | 10:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Sad. | 10:18 |
| * pabs3 still has hope | 10:18 | |
| pabs3 | especially since it contains the first GSM chip that bb.osmocom.org runs on | 10:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Indeed; but at this rate you'll only be left with WinMob 7 | 10:47 |
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| cityLights | morning | 11:00 |
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| _berto_ | https://www.meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego | 11:00 |
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| Arkenoi | anyone tried flash 10.2, is it more stable than development beta, does it use hw acceleration? | 11:14 |
| ErwinJunge | Arkenoi: I thought flash 11 was the first with GLES2 accel? | 11:16 |
| mece | there is flash 10.2? | 11:17 |
| mece | ErwinJunge, 10 accelerates videos | 11:17 |
| Arkenoi | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17921588#post17921588 | 11:18 |
| ErwinJunge | Oops, I mixed it up with the new lightspark thing, see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTkzOA | 11:18 |
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| doc|home | http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/meego-to-be-folded-into-linux-based-tizen-os-slated-to-arrive-i/ | 11:24 |
| flux | I think they restart the project under a different name always when it starts to see the day of light | 11:25 |
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| khertan | flux: they didn't restart it, they finish it | 11:28 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: I got the usb fixed and at the same time had the sim failure thing fixed. Phone still works, and so far (about 12 hours now) haven't had the sim go missing yet. Thanks for the info on how to fix it :) | 11:33 |
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| doc|home | https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego | 11:41 |
| doc|home | so, basically, meego's officially dead now? | 11:43 |
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| ruskie | it ever was alive? | 11:43 |
| doc|home | hence me putting "officially" in there :) | 11:43 |
| Macer | heh | 11:44 |
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| ruskie | We believe the future belongs to HTML5-based applications, outside of a relatively small percentage of apps, and we are firmly convinced that our investment needs to shift toward HTML5. <-- WTF | 11:45 |
| doc|home | yup | 11:45 |
| jiero | html5 is the way since all else went to android... | 11:46 |
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| jiero | lol | 11:46 |
| khertan | ruskie: look like an attemp to kill open source os on mobile | 11:46 |
| doc|home | there's still bada | 11:46 |
| doc|home | bwahahaha | 11:46 |
| ruskie | khertan, it was ever alive? | 11:46 |
| jiero | let the GTK3.2 rule | 11:46 |
| Jartza | ruskie: yes. THEY believe, developer do not. | 11:46 |
| jiero | run gimp on browser | 11:46 |
| * ruskie goes bash head against a few dozen walls | 11:46 | |
| pabs3 | how about GNOME 3 or KDE Plasma Active? | 11:47 |
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| ruskie | "Granted, this is a judgment on our part on which reasonable people could disagree, but that's the conclusion I came to." <-- so they actually accept that they might be totaly insane | 11:47 |
| Jartza | sure | 11:47 |
| Jartza | "hey! let's fuck up everything! I like the plan, go for it!" | 11:48 |
| Jartza | :) | 11:48 |
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| Macer | hahahaha | 11:48 |
| Macer | so is cssu all qt now? :) | 11:49 |
| Macer | that would be nice | 11:49 |
| pabs3 | what happened with the maemo council elections? | 11:49 |
| Macer | yeah.. meego is fail with that html5 stuff | 11:50 |
| Macer | i am surprised they didn't put "cloud" somewhere in there | 11:50 |
| amiconn | [10:46:47] <jiero> run gimp on browser <== Well there is this x86 emulation in javascript... ;) | 11:50 |
| ruskie | you mean Tizen? | 11:50 |
| Macer | i am so sick of hearing the word cloud | 11:50 |
| Shapeshifter | lol meego | 11:50 |
| ruskie | Macer, well maybe they just didn't consider something like eyeos | 11:51 |
| Macer | heh | 11:51 |
| Macer | eyeos isn't too bad | 11:51 |
| ruskie | yeah frankly it isn't | 11:51 |
| ruskie | it's a nice idea | 11:51 |
| Macer | yeah | 11:51 |
| Macer | at least i thought it was | 11:51 |
| Shapeshifter | now "we believe the future belongs to HTML5-based applications". Well, it didn't take long... what's next? | 11:51 |
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| ruskie | and wtf is a html5 based applicatioN? | 11:52 |
| Shapeshifter | how long until Tizen is binned? | 11:52 |
| Macer | ruskie: something in the cloud | 11:52 |
| Shapeshifter | I give it 2 years. | 11:52 |
| doc|home | google, youtube, gmail, etc | 11:52 |
| doc|home | and html5 does offline storage | 11:52 |
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| Macer | so it stores the cloud? :) | 11:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | It's so funny how they constantly start new projects and then bin them | 11:52 |
| doc|home | makes it easier for them, they just need a browser | 11:52 |
| Macer | well.. i'm sure they may need to throw a dialer in there somewhere | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: html5 + javascript + whatever server side software you want. | 11:53 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, so basically a webapp/servlet | 11:53 |
| doc|home | Macer: only on the phones | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah. | 11:53 |
| Macer | well.. there is still cssu | 11:53 |
| Macer | :) | 11:53 |
| pabs3 | google wants to kill javascript anyway | 11:53 |
| Macer | holding out | 11:53 |
| ruskie | google wants to kill everything | 11:53 |
| ruskie | seriously | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: although I guess you could run them locally. Like the widgets in KDE for example. | 11:53 |
| doc|home | screw google | 11:54 |
| ruskie | they want to be the pipe, data, everything provider | 11:54 |
| ruskie | as far as I care google can go the way of the dinos along with m$ | 11:54 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, still same thing... | 11:54 |
| Macer | meh. google is fine | 11:54 |
| ruskie | a webserver on localhost:8080 is the same thing | 11:54 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: yep | 11:54 |
| doc|home | so, yeah, options now are android or something bada-based :( | 11:54 |
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| Macer | if anything there is one thing i can say about google ... at least they centralized android | 11:54 |
| Shapeshifter | doc|home: you forgot about just keeping your n900. | 11:54 |
| ruskie | doc|home, I'll stick to S40 devices while they exist | 11:54 |
| doc|home | Shapeshifter: will die eventually | 11:55 |
| Shapeshifter | buy a spare | 11:55 |
| ruskie | and yeah... while the n900 lives | 11:55 |
| doc|home | ruskie: can't go from an n900 to a symbian machine :/ | 11:55 |
| ruskie | doc|home, s40 is sub-symbian ;) | 11:55 |
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| ruskie | it actually works | 11:55 |
| doc|home | heh | 11:55 |
| ruskie | unlike s60 | 11:55 |
| Macer | haha | 11:55 |
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| ruskie | someone needs to make an s40 style mobile linux device | 11:56 |
| ruskie | for "developing" countries | 11:56 |
| doc|home | I wonder what those openmoko guys are doing :D | 11:56 |
| * doc|home sobs | 11:56 | |
| ruskie | ben note iirc | 11:56 |
| doc|home | yeah | 11:56 |
| Shapeshifter | https://www.tizen.org/devices is this copy pasta from meego? | 11:56 |
| mece | ruskie, I think that's coming | 11:56 |
| Arkenoi | ruskie, motorola did iirc | 11:56 |
| doc|home | I still have a freerunner I've no use for, waste of time | 11:56 |
| Macer | honestly. an open os on a phone was unrealistic anyways | 11:57 |
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| ruskie | Macer, yeah due to legal limitations of tampering with the airways | 11:57 |
| Arkenoi | Macer, why? (if you screw US operator-dominated market as non-relevant) | 11:57 |
| Macer | among other things | 11:57 |
| ruskie | Arkenoi, they did? which one? | 11:57 |
| Macer | money | 11:57 |
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| Macer | open os on a phone does not have a guarenteed yield | 11:58 |
| Arkenoi | macer: if you just do handsets and your business is handsets, not "service", you can | 11:58 |
| Arkenoi | actually nokia could if they understood this point more clearly | 11:58 |
| doc|home | with a microsoft ceo what should be expected? :/ | 11:59 |
| Macer | android only gives the facade of being an open os | 11:59 |
| ruskie | Arkenoi, you mean motorola rokr em30? limo based? | 11:59 |
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| doc|home | night | 12:00 |
| Macer | doc|home: no business would ever chase after a truly open os on a phone | 12:00 |
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| doc|home | Macer: there's no reason they couldn't other than the GSM legislation | 12:00 |
| Macer | the decentralization and lack of control will always cause it to unwind | 12:01 |
| Macer | oh. i am sure they can do it.... but they wont | 12:01 |
| * doc|home sleeps | 12:01 | |
| Macer | you will never see the phone counterpart to a linux base to make distros with | 12:02 |
| Macer | it will never happen | 12:02 |
| ruskie | I think to get to a properly open phone device you would need to start with non-phone devices | 12:02 |
| Macer | which would be near impossible as well | 12:02 |
| Macer | unless you make your own | 12:02 |
| Macer | open on mobile devices is dragon chasing | 12:03 |
| Macer | sorry to say it | 12:03 |
| Arkenoi | doc|home, ok, i agree to have closed GSM firmware (though i believe manufacturers may bypass it, like chinese guys do) | 12:03 |
| ruskie | Media devices(portable and normal), Gaming devices(portable and normal) then once you are racking the money in based on those you start building the base for mobile devices | 12:03 |
| Macer | cssu is probably the only thing even close | 12:03 |
| mece | Macer, MeeGo CE | 12:03 |
| Arkenoi | You just certify the thing and then specs on internal programming "accidentally" leak out | 12:03 |
| Arkenoi | and you are hardly liable | 12:04 |
| Macer | mece: only functional thing | 12:04 |
| Arkenoi | so GSM consortium may just fsck off | 12:04 |
| mece | I'm out. tata. | 12:04 |
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| ruskie | maybe even specific devices like ben note, ebook readers would help as well... make a security model that doesn't screw the consumer but still provides some semblance of DRM like functionality for publishers | 12:06 |
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| ruskie | and get industrial designers and marketing departments working on it... along with getting ties to media producers | 12:11 |
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| magnetophon | is anyone else having problems reading wikipedia with microb? the first two columns are on top of each other for me | 12:35 |
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| merlin1991 | wtf, tizen? | 12:41 |
| merlin1991 | yet another "toolkit" as base? | 12:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 12:42 |
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| * merlin1991 wonders what that will mean for meego ce and the community obs | 12:43 | |
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| flux | khertan, they may not restart it, but when it went from maemo to meego, everything was rewritten in Qt. and not it seems that meego->tizen means everything will be rewritten with html5. | 12:49 |
| flux | (not->now) | 12:49 |
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| RST38h | Actually most of harmattan is sitll in MTF, not Qt or QMl | 12:50 |
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| khertan | flux: it s not a restart, it s just an attempt to kill open source os on mobile | 13:00 |
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| pabs3 | what happened with the maemo council elections? | 13:33 |
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| infobot | freemangordon_ <~freemango@82.137.72.35> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 20d 17h 13m 46s ago, saying: 'Did I understand correctly that you are not using latest CSSU'. | 13:38 |
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| infobot | freemangordon <55bb2605@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.187.38.5> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 20d 17h 42m 47s ago, saying: 'damn, my English gets worse and worse every day.'. | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, it doesn't? | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+help onjoin | 13:40 |
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| infobot | Usage: onjoin [#chan|_default] [-]<nick> [message] | 13:40 |
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| ZogG | Today, the Linux Foundation and LiMo* announced Tizen(TM), an open-source, standards-based software platform for multiple device categories, including smartphones, tablets, smart TVs, netbooks and in-vehicle infotainment systems. | 14:32 |
| ZogG | Tizen builds upon MeeGo* and LiMo and will deliver an application framework built upon HTML5/WAC 2.0 standards to help developers reuse and extend their code across multiple OS's, app stores, and devices. | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha, another bait & switch BS promise to "help developers reuse and extend their code across multiple OS'" | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, IF you'd follow their path, you had a complete bin and rewrite from scratch for the 5th or so time in the last 2 years, to keep your apps reusable and cross-platform | 14:58 |
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| HyperSnyper | DocScrutinizer it juts arrived | 14:59 |
| HyperSnyper | no USB cable though.... | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's pretty bad - a USB-AM<->micro-BM cable is mandatory, as is a genuine nokia fastcharger, and I'd also be not too happy when the AV cable was missing as it'S hard to get and expensive | 15:02 |
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| koshie_ | Hi | 15:04 |
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| HyperSnyper | got everything apart from the "USB-AM<->micro-BM" | 15:06 |
| HyperSnyper | :/ | 15:06 |
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| * Sicelo thinks u can use same cable as most other phones. eg, samsung. or am i mistaken? | 15:09 | |
| Corsac | hmh, so the n9 is announced but it's barely available anywhere? | 15:13 |
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| acidspunk | hi everyone | 15:19 |
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| ruskie | This device uses a different GPU (which handles the camera) to the N8, and it isn't as good. <-- is this true???? the GPU handles the camera? | 15:24 |
| acidspunk | on the n900? | 15:24 |
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| ruskie | acidspunk, in general | 15:27 |
| ruskie | though this is a comment on the N9 on elreg | 15:27 |
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| acidspunk | on the n900 I think it's the dsp | 15:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | ruskie: It's not really | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: There is a seperate very limited core which does processing of the camera stream | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | The reason the N8 camera si better is basically that the camera module is simply better. | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | The processing has almost nothing to do with it. | 15:45 |
| HyperSnyper | whats the best way to transfer music/video files to internall storage without USb cable people ? | 15:46 |
| HyperSnyper | winscp ? install an ftp server ? | 15:46 |
| HyperSnyper | ^ n900 | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I use rsync | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | and sometimes sftp | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: you can get those relatively cheap on ebay, google for CA-101 to get a genuine one, or pick any arbitrary cable. Anyway get such a cable, YOU'LL NEED IT! | 15:47 |
| ruskie | scp is the main way I trasnfer things | 15:47 |
| HyperSnyper | have orderd already DocScrutinizer | 15:47 |
| HyperSnyper | but 3 days eta | 15:47 |
| HyperSnyper | :P | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 15:47 |
| HyperSnyper | also any vital apps ? | 15:47 |
| HyperSnyper | done rootsh / and 3g/2g siwtcher so far | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | load applet, a must-have in my book | 15:48 |
| HyperSnyper | also is there a way to search the app manager ? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, just type | 15:49 |
| HyperSnyper | heh | 15:49 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Load applet is awesome. | 15:49 |
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| HyperSnyper | also everytime i got app manager main screen it checks for update.. | 15:50 |
| HyperSnyper | bit annoying | 15:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | openssh client+server | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not exactly the best you could get, but suffices to tell when shit happens on your device | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: (check fro updates) yeah some bug in HAM introduced with PR1.3 probably | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nobody bothered to look into it more deeply (except javispedro once) | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's not getting fixed :-/ | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat, recorder, firefox, khweetur, opera, wifieye | 15:52 |
| acidspunk | speaking of camera and dsp did anyone ever figure how to get rid of the stutter while filming | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | none here | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ever | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone mentioned earlier that locking the CPU to 600MHz worked for them | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: video? | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't get smooth video | 15:52 |
| HyperSnyper | it's got a prett low framerate hasn't it ? | 15:53 |
| HyperSnyper | prob dropping frames | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, frame dropping. | 15:53 |
| acidspunk | yeah | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I did quite few videos, so I'll shut up | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - and 'radio' - not fmradio | 15:53 |
| HyperSnyper | SpeedEvil is firefox of any use really ? | 15:53 |
| HyperSnyper | thought internal browser was built of FF | 15:53 |
| HyperSnyper | ? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: tweakr!!! | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | HyperSnyper: firefox and opera are not any better (and in some ways worse than) mucrob | 15:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | But, every browser has issues with some sites, and having alternatives is good. | 15:54 |
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| HyperSnyper | also any things that save alota power i should disable/enable ? | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | to get custom profiles, and whatnot else | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - opera has opera turbo, and configurable loading of images | 15:54 |
| HyperSnyper | already got the 2g/3g dual | 15:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | This can greatly reduce data use | 15:55 |
| HyperSnyper | opera turbo is nice | 15:55 |
| HyperSnyper | use it on my s40 nokia | 15:55 |
| HyperSnyper | hahaha | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | fbreader | 15:55 |
| acidspunk | yeah fbreader is amazing | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | timed | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | THE cron alternative | 15:55 |
| HyperSnyper | nice | 15:56 |
| HyperSnyper | cron <3 | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no cron on maemo | 15:56 |
| acidspunk | xarchiver for zip and rar files | 15:56 |
| HyperSnyper | did alot fun stuff on the dreambox with cron and bash scripts | 15:56 |
| HyperSnyper | C FM Radio or FM Radio Player ? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll want to add a symlink from /opt/foo/bar/timed.py (or whatever it's called) to /usr/bin | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 15:57 |
| javispedro | I would be crazy not to be here the day everything goes down the toilet =) | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: say helo to tizon | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 15:58 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer, I've been here already for a while. | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi nevertheless :-) | 15:58 |
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| HyperSnyper | also i rememer reading few days ago about enabling FM transmitter on all frequencies | 15:58 |
| acidspunk | what's happening today? | 15:58 |
| HyperSnyper | is that a simple app | 15:58 |
| HyperSnyper | or takes more editing | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's jacekowski's domain | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | he offers a pkg to replace the stock drivers with something that relieves some limitations afaik | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: I might toss over a list of all pkgs I got installed, if you're interested | 16:01 |
| HyperSnyper | deff would be | 16:01 |
| HyperSnyper | :) | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's way too long to be useful (dpkg -l) | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it has all the stock stuff as well | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might be able to do a diff to yours ;-) | 16:03 |
| HyperSnyper | what i was just thinking | 16:03 |
| HyperSnyper | :P | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which should reduce it to a few 100 lines | 16:03 |
| HyperSnyper | got an excel file with filterin macro's i use fo rwork | 16:03 |
| HyperSnyper | just installed openssh server+client | 16:04 |
| HyperSnyper | asking for new root pass... | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: here you are http://pastebin.com/2HVqR73x | 16:05 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs DocScrutinizer, much appreciated | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe something even better for you: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and my apt-get log from there (moment please) | 16:07 |
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| HyperSnyper | u suggest i install that backup app now and do backup, before going further ? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | get backupmenu and do a backup now (and every now and then) - YES | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/0AwYz9Mg | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^ my installed-apps.sh | 16:10 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the apt-get log I implemented in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't contain all the apps installed via HAM | 16:11 |
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| HyperSnyper | backupmenu not in the app manager ? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and has some installs meant to fix things I (or CSSU ;-D) broke, so I don't recommend to run that list of stuff indiscriminately | 16:12 |
| HyperSnyper | heh | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | backupmenu is in HAM | 16:12 |
| HyperSnyper | is it ok to install stuff diect from maemo.org ? | 16:16 |
| HyperSnyper | or that not advised | 16:16 |
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| Sicelo | u mean .debs? | 16:24 |
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| HyperSnyper | e.g > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/load-applet/ | 16:26 |
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| HyperSnyper | has an install abutton | 16:26 |
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| Sicelo | that's fine | 16:27 |
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| Sicelo | HAM takes care of that :) | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | for "normal clean" pkgs also an apt-get install is fine | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | a tad hard to tell what's a normal pkg | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g powerkernel isn't, i2ctools isn't | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU isn't | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | all those also won't install cleanly from this thing, errr... fapman | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah starhash-eanbler isn't, as well ;-P | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: and you probably want to get *#-ena :-D | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | (h-e-n for sure isn't a "clean" pkg, for installation via fapman ;-D) | 16:33 |
| HyperSnyper | hmm got an issue | 16:33 |
| HyperSnyper | :/ | 16:33 |
| HyperSnyper | can't get root | 16:33 |
| HyperSnyper | unknown pass | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a bit concerning that almost all pkgs I did or contributed aren't "clean" :-P | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | use cmd "root" | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo doesn't work | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither does su | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | root == su - | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot == su | 16:35 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you also could use ssh root@localhost | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but it's a bit awkward, compared to "root" ;-) | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, and NEVER do apt-get autoremove! | 16:37 |
| HyperSnyper | nearly killed my deb server doing bad things with that before | 16:37 |
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| Ian--- | #tizen | 17:17 |
| Ian--- | #j #tizen | 17:17 |
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| HyperSnyper | does the n900 mediaplayer not play albums in right order ? | 17:18 |
| HyperSnyper | seems to be sorting alphabetically by artist | 17:18 |
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| e0x | so meego is gone | 17:31 |
| e0x | but the community will continue de work ? | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | de work? | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | german translations? | 17:32 |
| e0x | the work * | 17:33 |
| Pauly2 | i gather i should not buy an n9? | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Pauly2: this has almost nothing to do with that. | 17:33 |
| Pauly2 | wait for samsung device | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It is unlikely this will change any of nokias plans for the n9 | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia left meego _ages_ ago. | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | This latest announcement is utterly irrelevant to it | 17:34 |
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| e0x | yes , n9 was not really a meego device | 17:34 |
| Pauly2 | ah whatever lol | 17:35 |
| e0x | but is the n9 hack friendly , i mean like n900 that in some way you could experiment installing other OS , etc | 17:35 |
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| pabs3 | didn't they lock the bootloader? | 17:36 |
| e0x | not sure , that is what i want know | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | e0x: No. | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | e0x: At least at the moment, it's looking not. | 17:37 |
| e0x | ok | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Wait at least a week or three till n9s actually hit users hands, and we can see what the released software is. | 17:38 |
| e0x | now with my n900 broken i feel empty and lost | 17:38 |
| Pauly2 | yous excited about html5 :) | 17:38 |
| e0x | i need a new smartphone | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | e0x: Where are you in the world? | 17:38 |
| e0x | that let me "play" with it | 17:38 |
| Pauly2 | im getting my n900 back in mail | 17:39 |
| e0x | SpeedEvil: dominican republic | 17:39 |
| HyperSnyper | nother question where should i make a folder so it would show in root dir on tm600 file manager | 17:39 |
| HyperSnyper | *heh | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | n9 allows - in the default config - a hell of a lot less play. | 17:39 |
| HyperSnyper | *n900 | 17:39 |
| HyperSnyper | even | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | How things will evolve over the next few weeks is another question. | 17:39 |
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| e0x | yes | 17:39 |
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| e0x | let see what hapen | 17:40 |
| e0x | happen* | 17:40 |
| Pauly2 | ill have my n900 that i sold back in 3-6 weeks from st lucia | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: ~user/MyDocs/<myfolderinroot> | 17:40 |
| e0x | i get a old nokia 5230 meanwhile | 17:40 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs again DocScrutinizer | 17:41 |
| Pauly2 | i have an n8 | 17:41 |
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| e0x | too expence if i hope buy another phone i could not buy a n8 or something like that | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: keep in mind this is a VFAT fs, no execution of binaries, no permissions | 17:41 |
| HyperSnyper | just for roms and video at mo | 17:42 |
| HyperSnyper | :P | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the way to go then | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what MyDocs is meant for | 17:42 |
| Pauly2 | i sold my n900 on ebay to buy an n8 but now they guy i sold my n900 said it arrived broke is returning it he got his money back so maybe ill have a working n900 again | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls -la ~user/MyDocs | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pauly2: we already heard that story | 17:43 |
| e0x | heh | 17:44 |
| Pauly2 | i like to chat | 17:44 |
| Pauly2 | sry | 17:44 |
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| HyperSnyper | got another one for you DocScrutinizer, wheer can i change the auto lock time ? | 17:44 |
| HyperSnyper | found time setting for lock with pin code | 17:44 |
| HyperSnyper | but not the swipe one | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /etc/mce/mce.ini | 17:45 |
| HyperSnyper | <3 | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if at all | 17:45 |
| HyperSnyper | ok | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I thought this timeout is pretty easy to set up via settings ->screen or sth like that | 17:48 |
| HyperSnyper | hmm might of missed it | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | "dim after" or sth | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | settings -> display: first one after brightness "automatically dim screen after:... 10s...2min" | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | other values might or might not be available thru direct editing of mce.ini | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, mce.ini [TKLock] has no key for screen dim timeout, must get stored in gconf or what? | 17:59 |
| HyperSnyper | whats the max local wifi speed you people get on transfers ? | 18:00 |
| HyperSnyper | getting about 500KB/s with winscp | 18:00 |
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| strangr | i am trying to compile an app using qt creator that uses Gdigicam | 18:03 |
| strangr | i got the package libgdigicam-dev | 18:04 |
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| strangr | and installed in madde runtime from remote shell | 18:04 |
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| strangr | then i copied the relevant files from my runtime /usr/include and /usr/lib to the sysroot | 18:04 |
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| strangr | but still not working | 18:05 |
| strangr | i am not able to link the libraries | 18:05 |
| strangr | my pro file is here | 18:05 |
| strangr | http://pastebin.com/YbNH9fQw | 18:05 |
| strangr | plz help | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: sounds about right | 18:33 |
| derf | http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3070/tizen.jpg | 18:33 |
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| Sc0rpius | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20112580-64/intel-finds-a-way-to-let-go-of-meego | 18:45 |
| Sc0rpius | geez | 18:45 |
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| Sc0rpius | so MeeGo hasn't even been completely born and is dead already | 18:46 |
| Cor-Ai | sad | 18:47 |
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| BluesLee | Sc0rpius: honestly, this is crazy | 18:50 |
| Sc0rpius | it is | 18:50 |
| BluesLee | just before n9 is hitting the market | 18:50 |
| Sc0rpius | indeed, it's a disaster | 18:50 |
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| BluesLee | we should be optimistic but those big companies like nokia, intel etc dont seem to care | 18:52 |
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| BluesLee | i need some frustration chocolate :-) | 18:54 |
| wmarone | funny that people really care about the N9, considering the price and extremely constrained distribution | 18:55 |
| * Cor-Ai gives BluesLee a bar of frustration chocolate | 18:55 | |
| BluesLee | Cor-Ai: hehe | 18:55 |
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| Cor-Ai | :) | 18:55 |
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| BluesLee | wmarone: the idea is to have a device which is more or less supported by a vendor and a good working community like this one, that would be sufficient for me | 18:57 |
| wmarone | sure | 18:57 |
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| Sc0rpius | I'd get an N9 any day before an Android phone | 18:58 |
| Sc0rpius | (and I have an Android tablet) | 18:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders why everybody thinks N9 is related to meego any way whatsoever | 19:01 | |
| Sc0rpius | Harmattan IS Meego | 19:01 |
| Sc0rpius | why you guys differenciate them | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | harmattan *is* maemo | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | though a terribly crippled maemo | 19:01 |
| Sc0rpius | OS MeeGo OS, v1.2 Harmattan | 19:02 |
| Sc0rpius | that sounds like MeeGo to me | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffff | 19:02 |
| Sc0rpius | that's from the official specifications page | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | mv meego foobar | 19:02 |
| Sc0rpius | CPU 1GHz Cortex A8 CPU, PowerVR SGX530 GPU, TI OMAP 3630 chipset | 19:02 |
| Cor-Ai | haha | 19:02 |
| Sc0rpius | oh another OMAP? | 19:02 |
| Sc0rpius | it includes Angry Bird Magic :) | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only relation of N9 to meego is Intel kicked Nokia's balls by abandoning meego right in time to make Nokia look like a fool with their renaming of maemo6-harmattan to meego | 19:04 |
| Sc0rpius | and now Intel is abandoning Meego | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err that's what I just said, yes | 19:05 |
| Sc0rpius | oh | 19:05 |
| Sc0rpius | I got it | 19:05 |
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| Sc0rpius | well if you see it that way, that's a nice revenge | 19:05 |
| Sc0rpius | from Intel | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 19:05 |
| BluesLee | yeah | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia now was WAY BETTER off with N9 labeled "OS: maemo6 harmattan" | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | as maemo excelled on 770, N8x0, N900 | 19:07 |
| wmarone | nokia couldn't have come out on top, what with internal opposition to the thing | 19:07 |
| Sc0rpius | indeed | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | while meego did what exactly? | 19:07 |
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| Sc0rpius | though I haven't seen the OS myself yet, if you say it's Maemo, they should have branded it that way | 19:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | it IS Maemo | 19:08 |
| Sc0rpius | MeeGo has done nothing | 19:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | with the app layer done in Qt | 19:08 |
| Sc0rpius | Qt is great :) | 19:08 |
| * pabs3 wonders if this will delay the N9 release, quickly s/MeeGo/Maemo/ everwhere and rebuild | 19:08 | |
| TSCHAKeee | so basically the last year was completely fucking wasted. | 19:08 |
| wmarone | Sc0rpius: I know, the MeeGo CE doesn't exist at all... | 19:08 |
| Sc0rpius | pabs3, that would be the best Nokia could do | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | pabs3: hahaha | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | too late, but then again that's Nokia | 19:09 |
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| FIQ | so meego disappeared as well? D: | 20:23 |
| RST38h | FIQ: got you believing in it, didn't they?=) | 20:23 |
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| FIQ | "The Tizen application programming interfaces are based on HTML5 and other web standards, and we anticipate that the vast majority of Tizen application development will be based on these emerging standards." so an upgraded web OS, more or less? | 20:24 |
| FIQ | (allbeit more open) | 20:24 |
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| kerio | FIQ: [citation needed] | 20:27 |
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| flux | kerio, you know, these days you can just google for quotes and be done with it :) | 20:35 |
| kerio | no, i meant wrt the "albeit more open" part | 20:35 |
| kerio | COFFCOFFAEGISCOFFCOFF | 20:35 |
| flux | I doubt such comparative statement would be given, but I guess Linux Foundation partnetship must mean something.. right? right?! | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer officially declares 2011 "The Year Of Mobile Phone Market Madness" | 20:40 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i blame openmoko | 20:40 |
| kerio | especially YOU | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick kerio | 20:41 |
| ruskie | hehe | 20:43 |
| kerio | really though, what should i buy when my n900 dies? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, just in case you haven't noticed, OM the inc is "dead" since 2009, and I'm not a part of it just ~6 months longer - wish I could say I managed to resign just in time, but actually they convinced me to stay just to kick me out some 6 weeks later | 20:44 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: your hostmask cloak says otherwise :> | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's a community hostmask, not a corporate one | 20:45 |
| RST38h | DOc: sucket! | 20:45 |
| RST38h | sucker | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: as it stands now, I'd suggest you get another N900 when your N900 dies | 20:48 |
| kerio | heh :\ | 20:48 |
| kerio | (i still haven't fixed the usb port, btw) | 20:48 |
| kerio | (it's been more than a year now) | 20:48 |
| kerio | i'm swapping between two batteries with an external charger | 20:48 |
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| Hoxzer | kerio: :-( | 20:57 |
| kerio | is PR1.3/CSSU actually worth repairing my usb port? | 20:57 |
| timeless | heh | 20:57 |
| timeless | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/check-availability | 20:58 |
| timeless | > *Please give email address. | 20:58 |
| timeless | clearly nokia's grasp of the English language hasn't improved since my departure | 20:58 |
| timeless | => sp3000 | 20:58 |
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| RST38h | a wikipedian | 20:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: It's technically possible without | 21:01 |
| timeless | anyone know if the n9 (sorry if it's offtopic, but it's really maemo6) is available for sale anywhere? | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Install the bootloader app, boot mego from SD. flash from that. | 21:02 |
| kerio | hm | 21:02 |
| kerio | bootmenu? | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey timeless - long time no see | 21:03 |
| timeless | hey, just dropping by for a bit | 21:04 |
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| timeless | how's life? | 21:04 |
| kerio | maemo6+aegis is hardly maemo :( | 21:04 |
| * timeless is starting a new year tonight | 21:04 | |
| timeless | kerio: yeah well | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | congrats :-) | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: passling furiously after the ship just sank for the third time. | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | paddling. | 21:04 |
| timeless | heh | 21:04 |
| * timeless notes that the nokia related groups are really terrible about branding | 21:05 | |
| timeless | "SteelRat", really? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: (for sale) now this time for real google is your best friend | 21:05 |
| timeless | DocScrutinizer: froogle (google product search) only fouind one vendor, who claimed it was available for preorder | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, shipping started like 2 days ago | 21:06 |
| timeless | and nokia's web site is hopeless (well, unchanged, and hopeless), so i can't use it to find a purchase link | 21:06 |
| timeless | but who's selling it? | 21:06 |
| timeless | i want to link to a sale button | 21:06 |
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| kerio | timeless: buy it from ebay at a billion dollars | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: dunno, amazon? | 21:07 |
| timeless | the amazon front page is offering me a Kindle Fire | 21:07 |
| timeless | amazon offers me n9 gell covers, n8s, and e7s | 21:08 |
| timeless | plus some samsung t929 | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/MainSearchProductCategory.html?q=n9 | 21:08 |
| kerio | timeless: buy an openpandora | 21:10 |
| kerio | at least it has a physical keyboard | 21:10 |
| timeless | kerio: i'm quite happy w/ my Torch | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no aegis ;-P | 21:10 |
| timeless | it has a slide out keyboard, and a decent osk | 21:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: and no aegis! | 21:11 |
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| timeless | the ssh story isn't wonderful | 21:11 |
| timeless | but for that, i'm relatively happy to use my PlayBook | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Aegis_limitations | 21:12 |
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| * timeless likes how the list is :: namespaced except for `tcb` which isn't | 21:16 | |
| timeless | consistency++ | 21:16 |
| timeless | although, call-ui::call-ui is nice | 21:16 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: worksforme, it gives me an ok fi string in an otherwise en page | 21:17 |
| sp3000 | :D | 21:18 |
| timeless | wow! | 21:18 |
| timeless | picture or something? | 21:18 |
| sp3000 | hmm ...cantbearsed :) | 21:18 |
| timeless | yeah, paste-to-the-web is nowhere near as easy as pastebin | 21:19 |
| timeless | :( | 21:19 |
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| timeless | how about a pastebin of the page (html or rendered) ? | 21:19 |
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| petteri | after reading all this whining about aegis I am wondering what the developer mode in n9 setting does? | 21:20 |
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| timeless | petteri: presumably develsh | 21:20 |
| RST38h | does n9 still have developer mode? | 21:20 |
| SpeedEvil | petteri: I don't think there's been a report of what the actual released n9s have | 21:20 |
| timeless | which is all the things not listed in the page DocScrutinizer linked :) | 21:20 |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: has there been a report of a genuine n9 in the wild? | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: no. | 21:21 |
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| petteri | so the aegis stuff is just FUD? | 21:21 |
| timeless | petteri: no | 21:22 |
| timeless | aegis is most definitely a designed feature of the n9 | 21:22 |
| timeless | and it was designed partly based on requirements from certain nokia groups and presumably operators | 21:22 |
| timeless | those groups and third parties are almost entirely irrelevant in the real world | 21:22 |
| petteri | that I know, but i thought there were dev mode to access stuff on n9 | 21:22 |
| timeless | but management doesn't live in the real world | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis is unimportant if all you want to do is develop simple user-mode apps that do not touch the hardware in any way, and sell them to users through ovi store. | 21:22 |
| timeless | and heck, they don't really live at all at this point :) | 21:22 |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: is the ovi store really going to even be there? | 21:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | For anything outside that - it gets complex. | 21:23 |
| timeless | it certainly won't be there in 2015 :) | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: And yes, that's a big issue. | 21:23 |
| * SpeedEvil points at ovi store for n900. | 21:23 | |
| timeless | is that around? | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | No | 21:23 |
| timeless | i recently got errors trying to use HAM | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It was sorta- for a few months, but it died. | 21:23 |
| timeless | seems like certain nokia services got dropped | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that you _still_ can't buy angry birds levels. | 21:24 |
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| timeless | a guy at a Toronto based book fair suggested i could download his group's app from the ovi store | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | (on n950 at least) | 21:24 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 21:24 | |
| timeless | he clearly didn't realize the n900 wasn't compatible w/ symbian | 21:24 |
| timeless | thankfully i had my BlackBerry and was able to download his app from our App World | 21:24 |
| timeless | the reward for the download was a free bag (which i needed for books i got at the fair) | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Clearly the opportunity for a community baser merbian. | 21:25 |
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| timeless | well, iirc you were supposed to be able to Write a letter to Symbian Foundation asking for a Sources Repo on Disk | 21:25 |
| * RST38h ponders how long RiM will stay in business, continues laughing satanically | 21:25 | |
| timeless | but that offer may have expired | 21:25 |
| timeless | RST38h: hey, we lasted longer than MeeGo and WebOS :) | 21:25 |
| * vmlemon_ notes that the source is still available on SourceForge and Google Code :) | 21:26 | |
| timeless | vmlemon_: really? | 21:26 |
| petteri | so nobody knows what the developer mode on n9 does? | 21:26 |
| timeless | did someone actually hg push those? | 21:26 |
| vmlemon_ | Yup | 21:26 |
| timeless | vmlemon_: oh cool | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | lol, it's a game of which ship sinks slowest ;) | 21:26 |
| timeless | sp3000: yes! | 21:26 |
| * timeless wants to be on that ship | 21:26 | |
| vmlemon_ | http://code.google.com/p/symbian-incubation-projects and http://sourceforge.net/projects/symbiandump/files/ | 21:26 |
| timeless | Win XP is one of those ships too fwiw | 21:26 |
| timeless | vmlemon_: hrm | 21:27 |
| timeless | that's a code drop | 21:27 |
| timeless | not an hg clone | 21:27 |
| timeless | (at least the sf one) | 21:27 |
| vmlemon_ | You can import the .hg files into Mercurial, and reconstitute the repository histories, somehow... | 21:27 |
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| timeless | vmlemon_: i doubt it | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 21:28 |
| timeless | the Hg content was considerably larger than 500mb | 21:28 |
| * vmlemon_ believes that the SF stuff was lifted from the Foundation's FTP server, prior to its closure. | 21:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | Is it me, or has most of the spam in ovi store been cleaned out? | 21:28 |
| timeless | unless someone was getting much better compression | 21:28 |
| RST38h | you. | 21:28 |
| timeless | the former doesn't seem to have the MCL stuff | 21:28 |
| timeless | which is probably main-code-line | 21:28 |
| vmlemon_ | If you really wanted it, you could register on symbian.nokia.com, accept their NDA and access the latest core OS code under a weird Shared Source licence... | 21:28 |
| * timeless never asked what it stood for | 21:28 | |
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| vmlemon_ | Master Code Line, Release Code Line, and Feature Code Line. | 21:29 |
| timeless | vmlemon_: you had the unfortunate experience of some actual involvement w/ symbian? | 21:29 |
| vmlemon_ | Right | 21:29 |
| timeless | my sympathies | 21:29 |
| timeless | oh right, we actually vaguely interacted when i poked symbian | 21:30 |
| timeless | (that was probably 2 years ago) | 21:30 |
| vmlemon_ | It's not *that* bad, in comparison to some OSes... | 21:30 |
| timeless | which ones? | 21:30 |
| timeless | and which layers? | 21:30 |
| timeless | actually yes, some parts of symbian really didn't seem too bad | 21:30 |
| vmlemon_ | As far as APIs and architecture are concerned, Bada comes to mind. | 21:30 |
| timeless | heh | 21:31 |
| vmlemon_ | I haven't been impressed by the Android APIs, during my current exploration of them, either. | 21:31 |
| vmlemon_ | (Try populating a list widget from an XML-defined String array, or obtaining the number of contacts in the system DB from another class - without crashing your application at launch)... | 21:32 |
| timeless | heh | 21:32 |
| timeless | i've had to deal w/ the contacts api | 21:32 |
| timeless | there are at least 2 | 21:33 |
| timeless | the old deprecated one | 21:33 |
| timeless | and the new replacement one | 21:33 |
| * vmlemon_ notes that he's supposed to familiarise himself with that steaming turd for an upcoming contract. | 21:33 | |
| timeless | my sympathies | 21:33 |
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| vmlemon_ | Last time that I checked, you had to override and subclass a ton of crap, and then chain various "Adapters" together to do anything - in the former scenario. | 21:35 |
| vmlemon_ | Even just figuring out how to make a button work was a pain in the arse... | 21:36 |
| vmlemon_ | (I eventually got 2 working, but never figured out how to make a checkbox enable or disable a given UI widget). | 21:36 |
| * timeless is happy | 21:37 | |
| * timeless has a full screen youtube video running on the other display | 21:37 | |
| vmlemon_ | Given the choice, I'd rather work with Qt - but I guess that I can't be too choosy right now, if it brings much-needed income. | 21:37 |
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| vmlemon_ | As for other nominations for "Worse than Symbian OS", I'd happily nominate Win32... | 21:40 |
| timeless | heh | 21:40 |
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| * timeless actually likes Win32 | 21:40 | |
| vmlemon_ | (Or the Mac OS X Disc Recording APIs). | 21:40 |
| vmlemon_ | Now those are evil. | 21:40 |
| timeless | there's also the hodgepodge that is OS6-9 | 21:40 |
| vmlemon_ | "Contexts", "Dissenters" and other fun, undocumented things... | 21:40 |
| timeless | or rather System 6..OS9 | 21:40 |
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| vmlemon_ | I was positively shocked when I saw WinRT C++ example code for the first time - but that soon turned to disappointment, after reading that they're only useful for developing Metro crapps. | 21:42 |
| vmlemon_ | (I've also played with the recent Windows 8 preview, and was very disappointed). | 21:42 |
| timeless | i actually like w8 | 21:42 |
| timeless | although i've triggered a number of panics on it | 21:43 |
| timeless | i'm also relatively impressed by their validator | 21:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | we truly are in a clueless and stupid period of computer science | 21:43 |
| timeless | although, that too has crashed | 21:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | the answer is always "abstract more" | 21:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | not peel back and fix | 21:43 |
| vmlemon_ | I immediately thought "Did they hire the designers of the Nintendo Wii UI?" and "Why would I want my laptop to work like a giant phone or games console?" | 21:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | vmlemon_: it's about getting the "other 40% who aren't constant computer users" | 21:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | vmlemon_: which..as it turns out... apparently, they're idiots. | 21:44 |
| vmlemon_ | TSCHAKeee: Makes sense, in retrospective. | 21:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | basically, the answer always seems to have been | 21:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | "make bigger training wheels" | 21:45 |
| vmlemon_ | Heh | 21:45 |
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| vmlemon_ | Even if it means that the power users and developers have to suffer the curse of interfaces inspired by Teletubby Land, and all kinds of arcane "features", erm restrictions. | 21:46 |
| * vmlemon_ felt the same way about GNOME3, too. | 21:47 | |
| vmlemon_ | (I reckon that they'll eventually just turn it into a gigantic "Do Something" button). | 21:47 |
| RST38h | It will be labelled "Worship Us!" | 21:48 |
| vmlemon_ | I suppose that works, too. | 21:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | I was always a fan of Engelbart's approach of trainable interfaces | 21:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | but, heh. I am in a very small minority | 21:49 |
| vmlemon_ | Or "Praise", since "real" users are obviously incapable of reading more than a single word. | 21:49 |
| * TSCHAKeee has actually _used_ Augment. | 21:49 | |
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| vmlemon_ | Or it could just be neon green, and transform in colour when clicked. | 21:49 |
| vmlemon_ | Bonus points if it pulsates; and plays sound effects when clicked, too. | 21:50 |
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| vmlemon_ | Double-clicking will obviously just shut the machine down, without prior warning... | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Everything will be ok | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | Gnome3 people, as well as Unity people will end up with what they want - a glorified media center for idiots | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | And the rest of us, using their computers for professional activities, will end up with Xfce, Linus style | 21:54 |
| sp3000 | vmlemon_: would a Like button do | 21:55 |
| vmlemon_ | I suppose so. | 21:55 |
| sp3000 | I can't use xcfe, I can't ever remember which way around to put the f and c | 21:56 |
| sp3000 | see? | 21:56 |
| vmlemon_ | Maybe it should cause a synthesised Barbie-esque voice to say "I like you too!" ;) | 21:56 |
| sp3000 | roses are red, violets are blue; math is ...er, wait | 21:57 |
| vmlemon_ | EExcIntegerDivideByZero? | 21:59 |
| vmlemon_ | Or "Segmentation Fault"? | 21:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: And eventially patent enforcement on UI will get so prevalant that the only remaining possible UI is xfce. | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Everyone wins | 22:03 |
| RST38h | yeah | 22:04 |
| vmlemon_ | Either that, or we revert to punch cards. | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | ibm has a patent on those | 22:05 |
| vmlemon_ | "To successfully dial your number, please connect test points J3 and J4 on your handset's motherboard, now" | 22:05 |
| derf | I hope they don't have one filed in the last 26 years. | 22:06 |
| RST38h | derf: easy to extend, if you know the right people in dc | 22:06 |
| derf | 26 years is the number even IBM views as "safe". | 22:07 |
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| vmlemon_ | Just wait until your Microsoft Windows Phone 7 Series R2 SP1 phone crashes with the timeless BSOD... | 22:09 |
| vmlemon_ | (There should probably also be a "Professional Edition" descriptor somewhere in there, too). | 22:10 |
| ruskie | SpeedEvil, you're forgeting fvwm ;) | 22:10 |
| vmlemon_ | (And probably also "Nokia with")... | 22:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ruskie: naah | 22:12 |
| merlin1991 | RST38h: xfce? awesome is the way to go | 22:12 |
| vmlemon_ | CDE? | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: I had a patched version of fvwm95 as my main wm till maybe 2004 | 22:15 |
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| Sicelo | 5/j #pkg-n900 | 22:34 |
| Sicelo | :/ | 22:34 |
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| NIN101 | #pkg-n900 is on oftc Sicelo :-). | 22:36 |
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| Sicelo | thanks:D | 22:36 |
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| smhar | so meego got the same maemo treatment?! | 22:59 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 22:59 |
| smhar | it was just a matter of time | 22:59 |
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| smhar | a more reason for me to love my N900 more :-) | 22:59 |
| hiemanshu | well | 23:00 |
| hiemanshu | now it will have Maemo, MeeGo CE and Tizen, and Android :P | 23:00 |
| hiemanshu | Quad Boot :D | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | the world will not abide an open system | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | too many greedy fucks out there | 23:00 |
| smhar | btw where did get this name from. and they were making fun of meego! | 23:01 |
| hiemanshu | well Tizen is Lebanese means 'Two asses' | 23:01 |
| hiemanshu | so there you go | 23:01 |
| hiemanshu | :P | 23:01 |
| * smhar remembers the days of Neo and OpenMoko | 23:01 | |
| smhar | TSCHAKeee, I am afraid you are correct. very very sadly | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've become very heartbroken over the last 30 some odd years | 23:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | watching amazing systems die | 23:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | being squashed by things just good enough to fool everyone | 23:03 |
| * hiemanshu wasn't even alive back then | 23:03 | |
| TSCHAKeee | watching Atari collapse was my first... | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | then Amiga | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | then NeXT | 23:04 |
| smhar | I am way too younger than you, but I've seen some very great systems die too, Delphi and the whole Borland.. | 23:04 |
| smhar | are they still alive somewhere? | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | NeXT swallowed Apple (reverse merger) | 23:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but now, Apple has become the antichrist | 23:05 |
| *** Beowithdotsle is now known as MrOpposite | 23:05 | |
| smhar | OS2? | 23:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | heheheh, | 23:05 |
| * TSCHAKeee knows OS/2's history all too well | 23:05 | |
| ShadowJK | fantastic name. TITS(en) | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | Microsoft's second OS, (or third actually, not many people remember that Microsoft's first OS was a licensed version of UNIX... XENIX) | 23:06 |
| smhar | I was so exited when I installed it for the first time | 23:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Microsoft partners with IBM..works on OS/2... creates OS/2 2.0 NT.... IBM and Microsoft suffer clash of egos, Microsoft and IBM each take the codebase at that point... IBM makes OS/2 2.0... Microsoft creates Windows NT... | 23:07 |
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| smhar | Palm and even better Visor | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | petteri: developer mode means you can download app_as_stupid_as_bread from your PC and not *only* from OVI. This however doesn't change the fact that on HARM root must NOT write files to /home/user/* | 23:08 |
| * TSCHAKeee was a Palm _and_ a Newton user. I moved to Palm after Apple jettisoned Newton during the great clean-up of 1998. | 23:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | for example | 23:08 |
| smhar | which few people know what it actually stands for, most people think it stand for Windows Network :-) | 23:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | n-10, aka, the production chip number for the Intel i860. | 23:09 |
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| ruskie | hmm so samsung caved in to m$ "royalties" as well | 23:11 |
| petteri | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the info, I have to explore the system more when I get my n9 | 23:13 |
| chem|st | smhar: for some reason delphi and borland are still alive and keep getting on my nerves | 23:13 |
| * ShadowJK is waiting for open mode before putting in order for N9 | 23:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually this 'root cant write to user home' is a prety good example how braindamaged the whole policy in fact is. As root may do a su -l user any time, and then write to user home whatever the malware wants to do | 23:16 |
| ruskie | ohh fun | 23:16 |
| smhar | chem|st, does delphi get any updates?!! | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at the end of the day that restrition is just another brick on the road annoying devels while not adding an angstrom to user security | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | instead of "mv .ssh/auth* ~user/.ssh/' I have to do brainjogging like 'cat .ssh/auth* | su -l user -c "cat >.ssh/authorized_keys' | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | how's SHR these days... | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ask in #openmoko-cdevel | 23:21 |
| chem|st | smhar: there is a 2011 version so I guess yes | 23:23 |
| smhar | wow, did not expect to to live this long | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: so old? ;-P | 23:28 |
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| smhar | DocScrutinizer, not really, but after MS took all major developers from Borland, I though that it will sink deep | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't expect to live 2080 | 23:29 |
| smhar | DocScrutinizer, oh, and I meant Delphi living time, not mine :D | 23:29 |
| smhar | I do wonder about mine sometimes though, being near death several times | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if I'll ever die or just migrate into the internets completely | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops, forgot I'm skynet | 23:32 |
| smhar | depending on your OS, you might need to be formatted over and over again, every time with new life and personality, or you might live loong time | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes the human factor subroutines just get too good | 23:34 |
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| smhar | remember DocScrutinizer you can not live with your kernel alone, you need GNU to live completely :D | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha RMS | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not alive according to your metrics | 23:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly repositions one of the x-ray laser lead rods to target at logitech headquarters, as they dare to sell 90€ mice with switches not worth 3ct and breaking after just 5000 cycles | 23:38 | |
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| smhar | you are wrong, you already contain lots of GNU , it is just not declared. | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | teach me phenomenology! ;-) | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (you know where that ended when that bomb refused to go back into the bay...) | 23:45 |
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| smhar | listen my son, you were created in OOP, with a basic class that is encapsulated and hidden, it contains lots of GPL code, then using inheritance and sometimes strange morphing events you and your kind were created. | 23:46 |
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| smhar | someone please explain this to me: CodeGear Delphi For PHP 1.0 !!! | 23:47 |
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| smhar | Pascal environment for creating PHP applications?! | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:49 |
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| Sicelo | btw DocScrutinizer, about pwer usage in ad-hoc vs wifi with apn, thanks. got myself CNet CWA-854, and with max PSM, standby power usage is less than 25mA | 23:54 |
| Sicelo | \0/ | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 23:54 |
| Sicelo | our mobile operator introduced 3/3.5G this week, and seems that power usage is way too much :P | 23:55 |
| Sicelo | anyway, i use 2/2.5G all the time, as i need reliability over speed. | 23:56 |
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