IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-09-18

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ShapeshifterWhat the hell, man... I just installed this game 'connectagram' and it really shows me how little English I actually speak...01:00
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Shapeshifternighest? engraft? albinic?01:00
Shapeshifternestled?01:01
ShapeshifterI suck :(01:02
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jierohi, there is an action game called AAAA  opensourced. It run on OpenPandora. Anybody would like to port it?01:31
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licenseda simple question: how can i turn off usb mass storage mode?01:45
licensedi ummount media on pc, but on n900 appears connected usb mode01:45
SpeedEvilThe easy way is to pull out the plug, and put it back01:46
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SpeedEvilOtherwise, I think there is an entry in the taskbar menu to do it01:47
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Estel_Unfortunatelly, no. Status menu does contain entry for it, but it is active only in charging mode01:48
Estel_after selecting mass storage or pc suite, its just info.01:49
Estel_probably doable via fancy xterm command... Maybe, someday, someone will rewrite statusbar applet for that ;) Still, plugging and unplugging is faster01:49
Estel_I would just unplug and plug from dekstop, to avoid wear and tear on N900 port01:50
SpeedEvilI vaguely remember tehre is actually a command line applet01:50
SpeedEvilAlso - popping the back cover01:50
Estel_... poping the back cover? should it not affect only sd card?01:50
SpeedEviloops01:51
SpeedEvilIgnore me, sorry01:51
Estel_btw, funny workarounds for such a simple task. It seems, that we really could use applet replacement01:51
SpeedEvilI've just been drilling out rivets.01:51
SpeedEvilTired.01:51
licensedyes i use plug and unplug01:51
licensedhehehe it's just for know if it's a bug01:51
SpeedEvilSee my above rant about 'dozens of interconnected closed-source apps.01:51
Estel_(BTW, I've glued a magnet to my sensor, so I can remove cover without that irritating mechanism)01:51
Estel_yea01:52
SpeedEvil(though I vaguely recall that there is actually a command to call to change usb mode01:52
Estel_I'll check that01:52
DocScrutinizerthere is01:52
Estel_maybe it's good learning material, to create own simple applet?01:52
DocScrutinizerthere's pcsuite-disable.sh and pcsuite-enable.sh, and I'm sure there've been similar scripts for ass rage mode01:54
Estel_I just prepared myself set of scripts, for unmounting/mounting microsd, or MyDocs, or both, or swapping swap to internal eMMC (I use swap on microsd)01:54
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Estel_so, it basically just ask to be put into powermenu button01:55
Estel_thx DocScrutinizer01:55
Estel_if someday I'll pass my non-coder period, I'll surely write applet replacement for that ;P01:55
DocScrutinizer/usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh01:56
Estel_BTW, it brings me to serious question i totally forgotten01:56
DocScrutinizerEstel_: /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh01:56
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Estel_hehehe i recreated it instead of checking if its there01:57
DocScrutinizer\o/01:57
Estel_anyway I've added fany notifications to it ;)01:57
Estel_fancy*01:57
Estel_btw, about my question - I've created powermenu entry to execute01:58
Estel_echo mem >/sys/power/state01:58
Estel_Looking at other entries, I've used "visible=flight"01:58
Estel_so, I would like to see thid entry only during flight mode01:58
Estel_(because gsm connection put phone out of mem power state)01:59
Estel_ho ever, no matter what I try, this button is visible and functional all the time01:59
SpeedEvilI find 'queen beecon' handy to call scripts01:59
Estel_no big deal, but I would like to understand how it works01:59
Estel_yes, but I just like to have it in powerbutton :p02:00
SpeedEvilRemember that you need to add the script to the input to /etc/sudoers recreator - if you want it run as root02:00
Estel_yea, did it02:00
Estel_without that it simply does not work02:00
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Estel_I've used same method as for "top in xterm" powerbutton entry - it basically call terminal with that command.02:01
Estel_ho ever, as I've said, it seems to ignore "visible" parameter.02:01
Estel_also, it would be great to not open terminal on execution, but I have no other idea than calling service osso-xterm02:02
Estel_I'm sure it's possible on more clean way. It's really nice to have this mem state on powerbutton, very handy. Would be even more, if showing only on flight mode. Many times, user forget to turn off-line before executing.02:03
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DocScrutinizera) use sh -c "echo mem >/sys/power/state"02:09
DocScrutinizerb) call a script mymempowerstate.sh, and in there not only do "echo mem >/sys/power/state" but also switch to flight mode ;-)02:10
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Estel_thanks, will try02:18
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Estel_gals and guys, TMO seems to be almost unusable now, spam attack multiplied by huge magnitude. Please, vote for freemangordon's bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242502:44
povbotBug 12425: talk.maemo.org is vulnerable to botnet attack02:44
Estel_no fuck, orly?02:44
Estel_;)02:44
Estel_joking, thats my dear bot. I would love if all bots would be like that...02:45
Estel_~spambot02:45
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Estel_gooddamnit, I was admin of some small forum once, and experienced such an attack02:53
Estel_even using not-so-great phpbb, it was mather of modifing one file to prevent that.02:54
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Estel_but, I don't know how it looks @ closed source vBulletin02:54
Estel_afaik SMF and phpbb got very simple and effective preventing mechanisms02:55
Estel_but if Reggie or whoever is not going to rise his ass and do something about it, we're going to feel like in Zion under attack ;)02:56
freemangordon__I don't believe the current infastructure don't have some defence agains spambot attack02:56
Estel_it have. Mail verification.02:56
Estel_The problem is that is non-effective.02:56
freemangordon__:D yep, where is Neo02:56
Estel_I don't have anything against Reggie,  but IMO really current model of "someone hosting TMO somewhere payed by some company" is a no-go02:58
Estel_ok I guess I'll move my ass and google for +vbulletin +spambot +protection02:58
Estel_freemangordon__,  could You please correct name of bug report?02:59
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freemangordon__Sure. What do you think it should be?02:59
freemangordon__spambotattack?03:00
freemangordon__*spambot03:00
DocScrutinizerI'm so happy I don't even notice any of that03:01
freemangordon__Lucky you :D03:01
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Estel_sorry, battery run out :P03:04
Estel_even 3040 mAh end someday, so charging happily now...03:04
freemangordon__changed botnet to spambot in bug report name03:06
Estel_yea, saw that. Thanks.03:08
freemangordon__np03:08
freemangordon__I need to take some rest, bb for now, hope someone with access to TMO will sort tinngs by tomorrow.03:10
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Estel_see ya freemangordon__03:21
Estel_I've added list of possible solutions to thread @ TMO and bug report.03:22
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tomreyn"Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204"  << are there different hardware revisions, and if so, are differences known?05:13
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psycho_oreostomreyn, yes there is. There was a tmo thread where people posted their hardware revisions. As for differences between each hardware revisions its not made public by nokia, so it pretty much leaves the curious ones to figure out what they really are.05:59
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tomreynpsycho_oreos: thanks, i'll have a look for that thread later06:02
tomreynI'm just tring to browse the nokia fremantle APT repositories06:03
tomreynbut all i'm getting is 'access denied'06:03
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psycho_oreosthere's a few other threads where hardware revisions were posted, I'm assuming the flasher firmware blobs contains a list of known hardware revisions but they don't seem to be conclusive06:04
psycho_oreosyeah they do that to prevent people from browsing06:04
tomreyni guess i must be based on user agent06:05
psycho_oreosnot really, its based on something else06:05
tomreynsince i can't even seem to access the release file from my normal web browser06:05
tomreyncan't be much else really,06:06
* psycho_oreos grins06:06
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astruasdhplease, guys... is it possible to isntall android in n900?06:06
psycho_oreosits called nitdroid, and they have their support channel in #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help06:07
pabs3tomreyn: what URL is the Release file at?06:07
tomreynbasically i'm just trying to learn whether there's something newer than the fremantle1.2 OVI repository.06:07
astruasdhty... but it ends in a stable system?06:07
psycho_oreosastruasdh, no, I doubt it. There's a wiki page on it telling you exactly what is supported and what is not06:08
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psycho_oreostomreyn, I sort of doubt it, even if there is nokia may decide to make it obscure for one to access06:08
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tomreynpabs3: i don't know exactly how to map the apt sources entry to the release URL... I tried some, but noe worked. Here's what my nokia delivered sources.list entry says:06:08
psycho_oreoswb06:08
astruasdhty06:09
tomreyndeb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./06:09
astruasdhI was looking for android in order to talk on the phone while connected to 3g without noise, and to get a better email client06:09
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tomreynpabs3: and i tried to access https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/dists/fremantle/Release06:10
tomreynoh, crap, it may be SSL client certificates06:10
psycho_oreosfor better email client, modest is getting fixed by the community, they have released their own set of service updates and called it CSSU06:10
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astruasdhis it available at ovi repositories?06:11
psycho_oreosno.. there's maemo.org wiki about it06:11
psycho_oreosCSSU has its own repository06:11
psycho_oreos~cssu06:12
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU06:12
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psycho_oreoshmm06:12
psycho_oreos~nitdroid06:12
astruasdhty06:13
astruasdhis it possible to isntall meego or another os better than maemo?06:18
psycho_oreosyou can dualboot meego as that is the recommended option. meego is not fully stable so it is unwise to replace maemo with meego06:18
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psycho_oreosand there's no other OS apart from maemo having a full and proper support of its hardware.06:19
astruasdhwhat do you think about meego? does it worth to dual boot?06:20
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psycho_oreosI have yet to personally try meego. I said to them (#meego users/devs) that I would give meego a spin as soon as I purchased a spare N900 and 2x 32GB class 10 microSDHC cards. Well that time already came but I'm still fine tuning my maemo setup. It is probably worth dualbooting if you're keen on testing other OS on your tablet but its also recommended that you should be familiar with using linux.06:23
psychologehello ,,a question ....how used add_remove_language command remove the system language.....i want save english only06:24
psycho_oreosthat's a really broken up English sentence there, no I don't really understand what you mean06:25
psycho_oreosyou can't easily add/remove languages, I believe ruskie on his about page on wiki has done a nasty hack to only have English as the language06:26
psychologesorry my bad english,,,i want remove othen system language.....06:27
psycho_oreosI believe what I said afterwards may help :)06:28
psychologethank you , i will search it06:28
astruasdhty :)06:29
psycho_oreosfyi, nitdroid and meego are inherently incompatible, they both provide their own set of bootloaders to work ontop of NOLO. You can install both but you will get a really messed up bootloader, if at worst you may end up bricking your device06:31
psychologei update enhanced busybox shell ,, when i use nmap in root user....it response :route_dst: Failed to obtain system routes: Premature EOF in /proc/net/route....06:34
psycho_oreosI don't know if that's related to using enhanced busybox shell, it might be but for some reason I doubt it. Afterall the enhanced busybox doesn't provide nmap06:36
psychologeupdate busybox and install ssh server before.....nmap work fine   .. in user nmap can work...in root not06:39
psycho_oreoshave you tried asking google with that query? notably pasting the error into google search?06:40
psychologeok , i will try it again...06:47
psycho_oreosaccording to search results they say that you do not have interface/network up06:48
psycho_oreosalso I have both busybox-power && ssh-status (which requires openssh-server installed) and have not experienced issue similar to yours06:50
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psychologei kown't why.....when i reboot ...i execute ifconfig .....interface list  not wlan0.....so i execute "ifconfig wlan0 up"...but nmap resopnse same..06:53
psycho_oreoswlan0 up doesn't help nmap, nmap works on a different layer (in OSI terms). So you need to be associated/connected to a network first before you can use nmap06:54
psychologenmap 127.0.0.1 can't work......06:54
psycho_oreos127.0.0.1 is lo not wlan006:54
psychologesome time ago,,,it 's ok06:55
psycho_oreosif anything its user error06:56
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psycho_oreosits got nothing to do with having busybox-power && openssh-server installed06:56
psychologethank you very much,,psycho_orers......i will study it,,,i am a linux newer06:56
psycho_oreospsychologe, ifconfig lo up && nmap -sT -vv 127.0.0.106:57
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astruasdhI was reading meego website... it seems to have n900 support now. but meego is a beta os, isnt it?07:02
psycho_oreosmeego already have N900 support but not all features on meego will function on N900. If anything its similar to nitdroid on N900, the port is incomplete. meego is somewhat a beta OS but it doesn't target only one device (i.e. its not dedicated to just N900)07:04
psycho_oreoss/have/had/07:04
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: meego already had N900 support but not all features on meego will function on N900. If anything its similar to nitdroid on N900, the port is incomplete. meego is somewhat a beta OS but it doesn't target only one device (i.e. its not dedicated to just N900...07:04
psycho_oreos~snack07:04
* infobot snack? yes yeaaas yeaaaaaaaaaaas pleaaase :P07:04
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psycho_oreos~botsnack07:04
infobotthanks, psycho_oreos07:04
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astruasdhty, cya =)07:27
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psycho_oreoslol fark, my thread is flying07:37
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RST38bismoo, all09:03
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psycho_oreosoink09:08
RST38biswhat's new and exciting? n9 starts selling in Mongolia? Elop gets beheaded by a door at the nokia office?09:10
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psycho_oreosthe latter I'm more willing to click on if found on tmo ;)09:13
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DocScrutinizerkernel_power, busybox_power, burp_bower11:04
* DocScrutinizer hates those UPN terms11:04
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DocScrutinizer~uptime11:08
DocScrutinizermeh11:08
DocScrutinizer~+uptime11:08
infobot- Uptime for ibot -11:08
infobotNow: 4d 3h 6m 38s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux11:08
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DocScrutinizerhmm, I still fail to notice any noticeable spam attacks to tmo (not that I'd be too active on tmo, but even when looking for spam I can't see any)11:35
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon__: ^^^11:35
DocScrutinizerdang, we're <300 users on this chan - that's a sad record11:36
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freemangordon__DocScrutinizer, because it is no more there ;)11:41
DocScrutinizer:-D11:42
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon__: all this never could happen if tmo would've adopted my suggested cost-based posting scheme. Sth that limits noobs' quantity of allowed posts, based on their prev contributions and behaviour11:44
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DocScrutinizertmo became way too "cheap" for posting replies like "WUT?", and doing so at a freq of maybe 10 posts/min11:45
freemangordon__simple captcha for registration would do the job11:46
jacekowskisolve simple integral11:47
DocScrutinizeras soon as tmo users had to "pay" for each post (e.g. some "credits" from their account that only has a limited amount of credits per week), they would think twice before posting BS. If they could earn credits for further posts by gathering "thanks" they even more would worry about quality of their posts11:47
jacekowskiand i'm talking simple enough to be googled11:47
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: just give them sin(x) to solve11:48
jacekowski10% would solve it11:48
jacekowskifurther 10% would google it11:48
DocScrutinizerso you think this help for abill_uk to stop his useless bitching?11:48
DocScrutinizernah11:48
AtariiDocScrutinizer I see loads of spam11:48
Atariijust checked and there's not any there now11:49
DocScrutinizerI'm not talking about stopping spambots primarily11:49
AtariiI'll give you a screenshot/link if there's any more11:49
Atariioh11:49
Atariijust useless posts?11:49
DocScrutinizerI'm just saying my cost-based post-quota would probably stop spambots as well11:50
DocScrutinizerbut primary goal is to get better quality of posts from real users11:50
jacekowskibtw. i went to tesco yesterday11:50
DocScrutinizertmo is way too much a smalltalk jabber nowadays11:50
jacekowskiand i've seen somebody listening to music from an ipad11:51
Atariilolfail11:51
DocScrutinizeraah11:52
pabs3DocScrutinizer: there is some spam in the games tmo forum11:53
DocScrutinizer~usbfix11:53
infobotFixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<<11:53
DocScrutinizerinfobot: no, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)11:54
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer11:54
* DocScrutinizer feels embarrassed to have sympathised with the epoxy idea some (half) year ago11:58
Atariiis the connection points small enough that you need to be pretty experienced with soldering to do it?12:00
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DocScrutinizeryes12:39
DocScrutinizernot though for the preemptive fix that's just reinforcing the USB's solder attachment to the PCB12:41
SpeedEvilA blob of epoxy on either side of the connector as a preemptive wouldn't be terrible either12:42
DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20  -  pretty easy for anybody savvy to hold a soldering iron and actually do decent solder joints12:42
SpeedEvilThough not nearly as effective12:42
DocScrutinizerNEVER use epoxy12:42
DocScrutinizerat least not this way12:42
DocScrutinizerhere's why: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1089843&postcount=2912:43
cehtehepoxy doesnt glue to the stop mask, neither to the plated metal12:44
cehtehit just soaks into the connector destroying it :P12:44
cehtehwhen there are no traces inside the board one could drill small holes and use epoxy with glas, kevlar or carbon strands to fix the connector, but i think the soldering is easier to do12:46
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DocScrutinizercehteh: see my last post on the "ultimative USB fixing thread" - about "ultimative USB fix by not attaching it to PCB at all": http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1090901&postcount=3312:48
DocScrutinizerof course abill_uk had to bitch against it immediately ;-P12:49
* cehteh yesterday fixed his lost trackpoint on the laptop with epoxy 'knete'12:50
cehtehlooks a bit strange but works :P12:51
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Mayank1Hi, anyone using the DialCentral application on n900? I am getting a NO JSON object could be decoded error - what am i missing?15:26
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eichiis pyside for python2 only?17:22
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reprI'm seeing the only mobile target in the latest QtCreator version is Harmattan,18:22
reprDo I need to download a different version or another package to compile for Freemantle?18:23
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MohammadAGno, you need to start the maintainter/updater part of the SDK and install the fremantle target18:42
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luke-jr|otgmoo19:08
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lbtso ... the ssu says something about needing a usb connection ...19:20
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lbt"To update your device .... you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC"19:26
lbtI don't have "a PC"19:26
Cor-Aiwhat do you use? c64?19:26
Cor-Ai:P19:26
lbtand I don't have Nokia PC Suite19:26
lbt:P19:26
NIN101this is covered in the installation faq's lbt19:27
lbtI only use server grade hardware :)19:27
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NIN101lbt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ19:28
lbtNIN101: OK ... going to look19:28
lbtmmmm "RTFM" to understand the misleading message printed on the screen ....19:28
MohammadAGWe need translators to change that19:29
lbtI think "sorry, the message is totally misleading, glad you found your way here" is better than RTFM :)19:29
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lbthey bergie19:29
lbtyou in Hel this week (or next?)19:30
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lbtlibqt4-test19:33
MohammadAGremove it19:36
lbtyep - and pyside/sleepanalyzer19:37
MohammadAGwell, no19:40
NIN101new TMO spam protection but the spamers are back anyway...19:40
MohammadAGpackages shouldn't depend on it19:40
MohammadAGso blame sleepanalyzer and pyside's devs19:41
MohammadAGfor depending on python-qt4 which depends on libqt4-test19:41
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eichiis pyside default installed in maemo5?20:04
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DocScrutinizerlbt: first of all the message is no invention of CSSU, second this is #amemo, not #maemo-ssu20:11
lbtthere's a #maemo-ssu ?20:12
Mayank1Hi, anyone using the DialCentral application on n900? I am getting a NO JSON object could be decoded error - what am i missing?20:12
lbtyeah maybe I should check if there's a #maemo-ssu-sunday first though20:13
DocScrutinizerlbt: bitching and fingerpointing won't earn you karma points20:13
DocScrutinizerlbt: believe me, crashanddie and me can be worse bastards than you20:14
lbtnor will sarcastic comments about not asking in a niche subchannel that's not mentioned in the channel20:14
lbtand feel free to be a bastard if that's your take on life20:14
DocScrutinizerlbt: please stop playing the asshole. NIN101 was quite helpful. If that's not what you expected then too bad, please look somewhere else for help20:15
lbtoh,  and if that's your attitude then please don't bother addressing me anymore. I was simply not impressed at the *WIKI* being rather rude.20:15
lbtnow ... go look at the logs... I made one comment about the "Read The Fucking Manual" comment.20:16
lbtand then suggested it could be more politely explained...20:17
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HRH_H_Crabwhoever added the ability to lock desktop editing to cssu: you rock. thanks!20:17
DocScrutinizerI told you that's a genuine Nokia msg20:17
lbtyes. That's fair20:17
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lbtThe wiki could point out that "it's a Nokia message, can't be adjusted and now you're here this is what to do"20:18
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ale152hello20:24
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ale152i'd like to use my n900 as a sound trigger for my nikon d3100. I already can shoot the camera with h-e-n and gphoto2, now I just should try to execute gphoto2 when the mic input reach a certain value. How can I do that?20:26
ale152I thought to a python script, but I don't know which libraries to use for this purpose... Can I do it with the audio demon?20:27
ale152*daemon20:27
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MohammadAGget the source of vumeter20:29
MohammadAGit's easy to edit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7ltX3Wtok20:30
MohammadAGif you're in germany you can't see that vid, sorry :p20:30
arvuthi, can you help me get 'man' working in xterm? I get the error "pager: applet not found" and "man: command exited with status 256: pager -s"20:31
arvutits been like this since I installed it. first manually, then with some extra terminal commands package, and also now with enhanced busybox.20:33
MohammadAGapt-get install less20:33
ale152MohammadAG, thank you :D20:33
arvutoh :)20:33
arvutor was that for me? O.o20:33
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MohammadAGapt-get install less was for you :P20:35
arvutthought so, ty :) just installed it.20:36
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arvuthow come man gave an error like that then? and what exactly is pager?20:37
MohammadAGless is a pager20:37
MohammadAGit allows you to display text with scrollbars (if you can call them that)20:38
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ale152MohammadAG, vumeter is written in c++...20:38
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ale152is there a way to use python or the audio daemon?20:39
MohammadAGyou could rewrite it...20:39
MohammadAGI'm not familiar with the pulseaudio API20:40
MohammadAGbut editing the C++ code is easy20:40
arvutMohammadAG: ah yes, and I can use less without man too, right? to display textfiles much like cat does?20:40
MohammadAGarvut, cat dumps everything, what's shown depends on your terminal emulator20:41
MohammadAGmost emulators don't have an epic scrollback, so you'd use less for that20:41
MohammadAGanyway, yeah, dmesg | less20:41
ale152but I can't write c++... I only know python :(20:42
arvutI've seen dmesg being used here and there, what exactly does that do then? dump a dbus msg?20:42
MohammadAGkernel messages20:43
MohammadAGale152, don't you just want to trigger a script?20:43
arvutale152: you can always learn :)20:43
MohammadAGQt makes C++ easy20:43
Sc0rpiusit does indeed20:43
ale152I don't even know where to start...20:43
Sc0rpiusbut there's still the "new" and "delete" directives they should have never existed.20:43
arvutMohammadAG: ah, could be useful then20:44
ale152a bash script would be much easier :D20:44
lbtarvut: if you know python then you can modify an existing Qt C++ app20:44
lbtusually :)20:44
MohammadAGSc0rpius, you shouldn't use delete directly most of the time anyway ;)20:44
MohammadAGdeleteLater() is a bit safer20:44
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lbterm ale152, not arvut :)20:44
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Sc0rpiusif you use "new", you have to use "delete"20:45
MohammadAGyou're new to Qt :P20:45
MohammadAGif you have a parented object, you don't have to delete it, when the parent dies the children die with it20:45
MohammadAGand QObject::deleteLater() deletes an object when everything's done20:46
arvutlbt: cool, I know some c and c++ (including some gml and nwnc) but python is still on my list of langs to learn :P I'm not at Qt level yet though..20:46
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MohammadAGbelieve me, Qt doesn't need a week to learn20:46
MohammadAGsure, you won't be a pro, but it comes with time20:46
lbthttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/tutorials.html20:47
arvutyeah, but I need more C++ first :)20:47
Sc0rpiusso ok let's say I have a window then a create a stacked window like this: QWiget *widget = new MyWidget(); setCentralWidget(widget); widget->show();20:47
MohammadAG4.720:47
Sc0rpiuswhen the widget is done, I have to delete it manually20:47
Sc0rpiusotherwise I'd have a memory leak20:47
MohammadAGwhy not parent it?20:47
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lbtMohammadAG: oops... http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/tutorials.html   bad google20:47
Sc0rpiusok sorry20:47
MohammadAGQWidget *widget = new QWidget(parent);20:47
Sc0rpiusnew MyWidget(this);20:47
MohammadAGwidget->setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose);20:48
MohammadAGwidget->show()20:48
Sc0rpiusoh20:48
Sc0rpiusQt::WA_DeleteOnClose <-- that I didn't know about20:48
MohammadAGthe close button on the window/widget deletes it20:48
Sc0rpiusI actually connect the SIGNAL(disconnect())20:48
Sc0rpiusto the parent to delete it20:48
Sc0rpiusinteresting20:48
MohammadAGheh, I didn't know about it at first20:48
* Sc0rpius goes to modify his current project20:48
lbtSc0rpius: to be fair learning how Qt manages your memory allocation is interesting20:48
MohammadAGof course, suppose you have a mainwindow with some code that's like uploading something20:49
MohammadAGthen you can remove the attribute again and delete it later20:49
Sc0rpiushmm20:50
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ale152hey!20:51
Sc0rpiusand I do agree Qt is great20:51
ale152I just discovered that vumeter already does what I want!!20:51
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Sc0rpiusfor any platform20:51
ale152it has "trigger command" and "trigger value" :D20:51
MohammadAG:)20:52
lbtthat's a shame ... finding a reason to hack on something is usually what gets you going ;)20:52
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ale152oh no!20:58
ale152I have no more free space on my disk and I can't install the maemo sdk...20:59
ale152could someone compile this package for maemo? http://sourceforge.net/projects/gphoto/files/20:59
ale152I could only find the previous version that does not support my camera :(20:59
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ale152someone ported the previous version: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gphoto2/21:03
ale152the last one is the 2.4.1121:04
ale152shoud I contact the mantainer of the package to request an update?21:04
mecehmm tmo is really slow for me today. Anyone else having trouble?21:04
ale152I don't know how it works..21:04
Sc0rpiusyou could try that ale15221:05
Sc0rpiusor compile it yourself21:05
ale152I have not enough space on my disk to install the maemo sdk...21:06
Sc0rpiusdelete some of the porn you already watched :P21:06
Sc0rpiusI run the SDK in a 10 GB Ubuntu VM21:07
Sc0rpiusyou don't need that much21:07
ale152lol21:07
ale152I'm on a very old pc with a very small hd21:07
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ErwinJungeIf you're on a very old pc running a VM probably isn't a good idea :)21:10
ale152how can I install "make" on my n900?21:11
ErwinJungeI don't have time to do this at the moment, but am willing to look into it for you later. Provided it only takes typing "./configure; make", no time to port stuff now.21:11
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ale152thank you :D21:12
ErwinJungeale152: Installing a complete development environment on the device is not recommended (and quite complicated)21:12
ale152it's a command line app, so it only need configure-make :D21:12
ale152i already did it some time ago, and it worked21:12
ErwinJungeNot neccesarily true, but I'll give it a try.21:12
ale152but i remember i had a lot of problem with free root space21:12
ale152*problems21:13
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ErwinJungeAh, that's different :) If you say it worked, it'll probably still work.21:13
ErwinJungeYou want to use this with h-e-n?21:13
ale152yes21:13
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ale152a maemo forum user had it working with my camera, but he shared only gphoto2 package and forget the libgphoto2 package :(21:14
ErwinJungeSo you just want libgphoto2?21:14
ale152i don't know if the gphoto2 he uploaded is the last version..21:15
ErwinJungeDownloading latest version now. Btw, bugging the maintainer on the repos is also a good idea so that other people can also benefit from this.21:16
ale152http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6548321:16
ale152this is the thread21:16
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ErwinJungeale152: trying for you now21:33
ale152thank you :D21:34
ErwinJungeThis of course comes with the regular "no warranty warranty". If this blows up your phone, I am in no way responsible :) I also have not tested the software on my own phone, so don't know if it will actually work.21:34
ale152no problem :D21:36
ErwinJungeIt compiles, I'll zip it for you, just a sec.21:38
ale152:D :D21:38
MohammadAGwell, that's why Nokia's better than you21:39
MohammadAGif the N950 blows up they can give you 50 bucks!21:39
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DocScrutinizerale152: please report on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6523221:42
ErwinJungeale152: www.junge.nl/gphoto_ale152.zip21:42
ErwinJungePlease let me know when you finish downloading so I can remove the file.21:42
ErwinJungeThat file contains the directory structure as created by 'make install'21:43
ale152download completed :D21:43
ale152thank you very very very much :D21:43
MohammadAGso my HP touchpad has black dots on it and they're not going off21:43
ErwinJungeUnpacking it in the root of the phone would have the same result as if you typed 'make install' on device (I hope).21:44
MohammadAGthat can't be a good thing21:44
ErwinJungeOk, let me know if it works :)21:44
ale152i'm trying it now21:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: LCD pixel errors?21:44
MohammadAGno no, the mouse pad tihngy21:45
MohammadAGthingy*21:45
ErwinJungeMohammadAG: I wonder what would happen if you tried to send it in for repairs :)21:45
ErwinJungemouse pad thingy?21:45
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MohammadAGlaptop pad21:47
ErwinJungeAhhh, hp laptop :)21:47
ErwinJungeale152: Regarding your post in that thread, does gphoto also allow you to control your camera? Because I would be interested in that :)21:48
ale152yes, sure :D21:49
MohammadAGErwinJunge, DocScrutinizer http://i55.tinypic.com/1427eyc.jpg21:50
ErwinJungeHm... let me know if it works for you :) You use me as compile machine, I use you as labrat ;)21:50
ErwinJungeMohammadAG: Odd, but why do you care?21:51
MohammadAGcause it looks weird21:51
MohammadAGand it wasn't there this morning21:51
MohammadAGfor all I know it could be the pox21:51
ErwinJungeOh, that makes it interesting if it somehow appeared within hours21:52
DocScrutinizerinsects?21:52
MohammadAGunder it?21:52
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DocScrutinizeryep21:52
ErwinJungeStill no idea, but interesting :)21:52
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.google.de/search?q=gewittertierchen&hl=de&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=AD52TpjiAcmRswb1z4CWCw&ved=0CDEQsAQ21:53
ale152uhmm21:53
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ale152I can't find the gphoto2 exe21:54
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.google.de/search?q=gewittertierchen21:54
ale152I can only find config and port-config21:54
DocScrutinizersorry nfc how's the english term21:54
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ErwinJungeale152: Honestly, I didn't even look at what was in there :) I just did configure; make; make install in a custom prefix and then zipped the results.21:56
ErwinJungeJust a sec, I'll go take a look21:56
DocScrutinizerhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fransenfl├╝gler#Fransenfl.C3.BCgler_besch.C3.A4digt_Monitore21:57
ale152ErwinJunge, http://clip2net.com/clip/m48794/1316372216-cliptt2880-84kb.png21:57
ale152there seems to be a file that is a dir21:57
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ErwinJungeale152: hm... interesting. usr/local/bin only contains config stuff. Perhaps the gphoto program is a seperate source package?21:59
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ale152i don't really know...22:00
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ErwinJungeSeems like it22:01
ErwinJungeI just clicked the "download latest here" link :)22:01
ErwinJungeThat only gave libgphoto22:01
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ale152ah :D22:03
ErwinJungeDoing gphoto now22:04
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ErwinJungeale152: Try again, same location22:07
ale152this is gphoto2 + libgphoto2?22:08
ErwinJungeyes22:08
ErwinJungeboth in one package22:08
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ErwinJungealso, I checked for the presence of /usr/local/bin/gphoto2 this time :)22:09
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ale152:)22:12
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ErwinJungeLet me know if it works :)22:12
ale152gphoto2: error while loading shared libraries: libgphoto2_port.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory22:15
ale152there's something strange with the file location22:16
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ale152oh no, I have both phone and camera battery out :(22:21
ale152tomorrow i'll try again...22:21
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ErwinJungeale152: It's definitely in the package22:38
ErwinJungeBest guess: /usr/local/lib is not in the library path22:39
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smharwhat is a good messenger program in maemo that is also available in other mobiles, like iphone, BB, Nokia and others?23:09
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valdynsmhar: you mean service, not program as messaging services in maemo are mostly integrated, not seperate programs?23:12
smharvaldyn, correct23:12
valdynsmhar: i suspect about all you can find in maemo is available everywhere else23:13
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valdynsmhar: sms,skype,jabber,msn....23:13
smhareveryone I know uses whatsup which not available for maemo, so I am trying to show them an  alternative to keep in touch with them23:13
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valdynsmhar: thing is that whatsapp matches contacts to phone numbers. There's nothing like that in maemo.23:14
valdynsmhar: and the only service that does the same might be bbm23:14
smharwhat is bbm?23:14
valdynsmhar: blackberry messenger23:15
valdynsmhar: both work like sms but via internet so are cheaper on contracts that include internet23:15
smharI used neither, I am happy with skype, but I can not talk with myself, I need something that the others will use :-)23:16
valdynsmhar: the others can use skype23:16
valdynsmhar: all those services drain the battery quite alot, except the special services like whatsapp and bbm23:17
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valdynwell, i dont actually know bbm, so this is just what i suspect23:17
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valdynsmhar: maybe google messaging is a good choice for android users23:19
valdynsmhar: and it works fine in maemo too23:19
smharmy friends and family are either on Nokia or iphone these days23:20
valdynsmhar: and it can be used on any phone too23:20
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valdynsmhar: symbian phones have a program for all services except bbm23:20
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valdynsmhar: http://store.ovi.com/search?q=jabber23:21
valdynsmhar: google's service is just jabber23:22
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valdynsmhar: plus http://store.ovi.com/search?q=google+messaging23:22
MohammadAGWhatsapp's underlying system is XMPP23:23
MohammadAGjust saying23:23
MohammadAGI offered to developer a MeeGo/Maemo version, they never replied23:23
valdynMohammadAG: interesting, to bad its nonetheless restricted to whatever whatsapp allows23:24
MohammadAGproblem is, there's Skype/MSN etc but everyone's using whatsapp23:25
MohammadAGand Viber23:25
MohammadAGin a year, something new will come up and people will switch to that23:25
MohammadAGannoying times we live in23:25
javispedroMohammadAG++23:26
valdynMohammadAG: the battery drain is bad on the others and the phone number <-> contact matching to convenient23:26
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valdynMohammadAG: which means i can easily have multiple messengers like whats app running, but multiple like skype... no way, even skype alone drains to much23:27
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MohammadAGbattery drain is fine on XMPP23:27
MohammadAGor IRC23:27
MohammadAGor Facebook chat23:27
javispedronot even Skype drains the battery that much23:27
MohammadAGMSN/Skype would be the implementation's fault, Skype's P2P and MSN is.. badly coded cause it's undocumented?23:27
javispedromy 4day record was done with skype23:27
MohammadAGindeed23:28
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MohammadAGthe N900's battery suffered from Skype when you had a continuous conversation23:28
valdynMohammadAG: skype is only implemented by the vendor, so uh, they have whatever docs they want23:28
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MohammadAGbut if you're just idling, it's fine23:28
MohammadAGI was talking about MSN23:28
MohammadAGWhatsapp is closed23:29
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valdynMohammadAG: alright then23:29
javispedroWhatsapp is not only closed, but their company actively hostile against new clients23:29
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valdynthose vendors not implementing whatsapps only nice feature are dumb, or at least i dont get it23:29
javispedrowhat's Whatsapps only nice feature and why I'm sure it's already implemented everywhere else?23:30
MohammadAGI wonder what'd happen if we reverse engineer it23:30
valdynjavispedro: matching contacts to phone numbers isnt implemented everywhere else23:30
javispedrouh?23:30
javispedromy N900 does it23:30
MohammadAGWhatsapp's nice feature is it uses phone numbers as IDs23:30
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javispedroah23:31
MohammadAGno23:31
javispedroso it _forces_ you to share your phone nubmer?23:31
javispedrowhat a feature...23:31
valdynjavispedro: yes23:31
MohammadAGYou can merge contacts and stuff23:31
MohammadAGbut with whatsapp you don't have to add friends23:31
MohammadAGthey're already there23:31
valdynjavispedro: its ok that you dont like it, but its the only reason why its popular at all23:31
MohammadAGjavispedro, yes, I realize that sucks, and when you change the SIM, you're gone23:31
MohammadAGjavispedro, it's like MyNokia23:32
javispedrovaldyn: I've asked many times why iPhoners liked about WhatsApp. It's the first time I hear this.23:32
MohammadAGno no no23:32
MohammadAGthe only reason it's popular is because people are becoming lazy23:32
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valdynjavispedro: they dont know, because it "just works"23:32
MohammadAGWhatsapp auto starts on Symbian, you can't close it23:32
MohammadAGyou don't need to add contacts23:32
MohammadAGand 3rd, people are ignoring their SMS plans for internet plans23:32
valdynjavispedro: its sms, except you dont pay23:32
valdynjavispedro: same as facetime for video23:33
javispedro "it's sms except you don't pay" to a person that has been using IM on his N810/N900 since ages ago..23:33
javispedrobut yes, that's one of the average answers I've heard23:33
javispedrobased on total ignorance23:33
valdynjavispedro: sure23:33
javispedro"it's sms except you don't pay" so I point them to search for google talk on the app store, make them download the first app23:34
javispedroet voila, "it's sms except you don't pay", and it's free.23:34
javispedro(because, oh, surprise! whatsapp clients are not free...)23:34
javispedro(as in beer)23:34
valdynjavispedro: please, we've all heared this, but this isnt useful23:34
javispedrowhat is not useful.23:35
javispedrowhat's not useful is moving again to a propietary Im network.23:35
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javispedroI had to go through that during MSN23:35
valdynjavispedro: your attitude - except if you can tell us how to convert our 500 contacts to use a true free service23:35
javispedrovaldyn: I costed me _years_ to move all my contacts to GTalk.23:35
javispedro*It23:35
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valdynjavispedro: there you go..23:36
MohammadAGPeople barely use MSN nowadays23:36
javispedroMohammadAG: exactly, but it's like the days when it was gaining popularity all again23:36
valdynjavispedro: myself i just use sms or email, easier23:36
javispedronoone knows exactly why, but it just starts to get used.23:36
javispedro(well, during msn days you could argue it had something to do with being included in win98..)23:36
MohammadAGcause it's the top app on both app stores?23:37
valdynjavispedro: i suspect people now drop whatever they do on the pc, pick up the iphone, send a message and go back to the pc23:37
valdynjavispedro: thats fucking stupid, but thats probably what people do23:37
reprIt couldn't hurt to have Whatsapp available for maemo anyway23:38
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javispedrosadly, it WILL hurt23:39
javispedrobecause A) Maemo doesn't get extra sales  (not that it could)23:39
javispedrob) A bunch of people that would otherwise NOT use Whatsapp start using it.23:39
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reprI see it the other way around: as it doesn't change anything, as people who use a different IM will keep using it, it could just make our lives easier to send messages to iUsers23:41
MohammadAGthink again23:41
repryes, you'd not try to convince others, but for the average user, you'd not succeed either23:42
javispedroyou play the "iUsers" game -- you will eventually get hurt. When they move on to the next big paywalled IM network.23:42
MohammadAGiOS5 will have iMessage23:42
javispedrothe only winning move is not to play =)23:42
reprhehehe23:42
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RST38hiOS5 will have iPlunger2, now with a longer handle23:44
valdynimessage is really going to make carriers hate iphone23:44
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MohammadAGdo users care?23:44
MohammadAGAT&T sucks, people said that and they stayed on it23:45
MohammadAGwhy? cause of the iPhone23:45
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valdynMohammadAG: sure, but the result is in any case that carriers will try to keep the market open23:45
valdynMohammadAG: which again may be good for users even if they dont realise that23:46
MohammadAGoh well23:47
MohammadAGthat's not a concern of mine, gotta wake up in 7 hours23:47
MohammadAGnight :)23:47
valdynnight23:47
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RST38hnight,Mohammad23:48
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