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| Shapeshifter | What the hell, man... I just installed this game 'connectagram' and it really shows me how little English I actually speak... | 01:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | nighest? engraft? albinic? | 01:00 |
| Shapeshifter | nestled? | 01:01 |
| Shapeshifter | I suck :( | 01:02 |
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| jiero | hi, there is an action game called AAAA opensourced. It run on OpenPandora. Anybody would like to port it? | 01:31 |
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| licensed | a simple question: how can i turn off usb mass storage mode? | 01:45 |
| licensed | i ummount media on pc, but on n900 appears connected usb mode | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | The easy way is to pull out the plug, and put it back | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Otherwise, I think there is an entry in the taskbar menu to do it | 01:47 |
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| Estel_ | Unfortunatelly, no. Status menu does contain entry for it, but it is active only in charging mode | 01:48 |
| Estel_ | after selecting mass storage or pc suite, its just info. | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | probably doable via fancy xterm command... Maybe, someday, someone will rewrite statusbar applet for that ;) Still, plugging and unplugging is faster | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | I would just unplug and plug from dekstop, to avoid wear and tear on N900 port | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember tehre is actually a command line applet | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - popping the back cover | 01:50 |
| Estel_ | ... poping the back cover? should it not affect only sd card? | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Ignore me, sorry | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | btw, funny workarounds for such a simple task. It seems, that we really could use applet replacement | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I've just been drilling out rivets. | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Tired. | 01:51 |
| licensed | yes i use plug and unplug | 01:51 |
| licensed | hehehe it's just for know if it's a bug | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | See my above rant about 'dozens of interconnected closed-source apps. | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | (BTW, I've glued a magnet to my sensor, so I can remove cover without that irritating mechanism) | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | yea | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (though I vaguely recall that there is actually a command to call to change usb mode | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | I'll check that | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | maybe it's good learning material, to create own simple applet? | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's pcsuite-disable.sh and pcsuite-enable.sh, and I'm sure there've been similar scripts for ass rage mode | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | I just prepared myself set of scripts, for unmounting/mounting microsd, or MyDocs, or both, or swapping swap to internal eMMC (I use swap on microsd) | 01:54 |
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| Estel_ | so, it basically just ask to be put into powermenu button | 01:55 |
| Estel_ | thx DocScrutinizer | 01:55 |
| Estel_ | if someday I'll pass my non-coder period, I'll surely write applet replacement for that ;P | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | BTW, it brings me to serious question i totally forgotten | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 01:56 |
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| Estel_ | hehehe i recreated it instead of checking if its there | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | anyway I've added fany notifications to it ;) | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | fancy* | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | btw, about my question - I've created powermenu entry to execute | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | echo mem >/sys/power/state | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | Looking at other entries, I've used "visible=flight" | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | so, I would like to see thid entry only during flight mode | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | (because gsm connection put phone out of mem power state) | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | ho ever, no matter what I try, this button is visible and functional all the time | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I find 'queen beecon' handy to call scripts | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | no big deal, but I would like to understand how it works | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | yes, but I just like to have it in powerbutton :p | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Remember that you need to add the script to the input to /etc/sudoers recreator - if you want it run as root | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | yea, did it | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | without that it simply does not work | 02:00 |
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| Estel_ | I've used same method as for "top in xterm" powerbutton entry - it basically call terminal with that command. | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | ho ever, as I've said, it seems to ignore "visible" parameter. | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | also, it would be great to not open terminal on execution, but I have no other idea than calling service osso-xterm | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure it's possible on more clean way. It's really nice to have this mem state on powerbutton, very handy. Would be even more, if showing only on flight mode. Many times, user forget to turn off-line before executing. | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a) use sh -c "echo mem >/sys/power/state" | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | b) call a script mymempowerstate.sh, and in there not only do "echo mem >/sys/power/state" but also switch to flight mode ;-) | 02:10 |
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| Estel_ | thanks, will try | 02:18 |
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| Estel_ | gals and guys, TMO seems to be almost unusable now, spam attack multiplied by huge magnitude. Please, vote for freemangordon's bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12425 | 02:44 |
| povbot | Bug 12425: talk.maemo.org is vulnerable to botnet attack | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | no fuck, orly? | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | joking, thats my dear bot. I would love if all bots would be like that... | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | ~spambot | 02:45 |
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| Estel_ | gooddamnit, I was admin of some small forum once, and experienced such an attack | 02:53 |
| Estel_ | even using not-so-great phpbb, it was mather of modifing one file to prevent that. | 02:54 |
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| Estel_ | but, I don't know how it looks @ closed source vBulletin | 02:54 |
| Estel_ | afaik SMF and phpbb got very simple and effective preventing mechanisms | 02:55 |
| Estel_ | but if Reggie or whoever is not going to rise his ass and do something about it, we're going to feel like in Zion under attack ;) | 02:56 |
| freemangordon__ | I don't believe the current infastructure don't have some defence agains spambot attack | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | it have. Mail verification. | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | The problem is that is non-effective. | 02:56 |
| freemangordon__ | :D yep, where is Neo | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | I don't have anything against Reggie, but IMO really current model of "someone hosting TMO somewhere payed by some company" is a no-go | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | ok I guess I'll move my ass and google for +vbulletin +spambot +protection | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon__, could You please correct name of bug report? | 02:59 |
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| freemangordon__ | Sure. What do you think it should be? | 02:59 |
| freemangordon__ | spambotattack? | 03:00 |
| freemangordon__ | *spambot | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm so happy I don't even notice any of that | 03:01 |
| freemangordon__ | Lucky you :D | 03:01 |
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| Estel_ | sorry, battery run out :P | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | even 3040 mAh end someday, so charging happily now... | 03:04 |
| freemangordon__ | changed botnet to spambot in bug report name | 03:06 |
| Estel_ | yea, saw that. Thanks. | 03:08 |
| freemangordon__ | np | 03:08 |
| freemangordon__ | I need to take some rest, bb for now, hope someone with access to TMO will sort tinngs by tomorrow. | 03:10 |
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| Estel_ | see ya freemangordon__ | 03:21 |
| Estel_ | I've added list of possible solutions to thread @ TMO and bug report. | 03:22 |
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| tomreyn | "Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204" << are there different hardware revisions, and if so, are differences known? | 05:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | tomreyn, yes there is. There was a tmo thread where people posted their hardware revisions. As for differences between each hardware revisions its not made public by nokia, so it pretty much leaves the curious ones to figure out what they really are. | 05:59 |
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| tomreyn | psycho_oreos: thanks, i'll have a look for that thread later | 06:02 |
| tomreyn | I'm just tring to browse the nokia fremantle APT repositories | 06:03 |
| tomreyn | but all i'm getting is 'access denied' | 06:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's a few other threads where hardware revisions were posted, I'm assuming the flasher firmware blobs contains a list of known hardware revisions but they don't seem to be conclusive | 06:04 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah they do that to prevent people from browsing | 06:04 |
| tomreyn | i guess i must be based on user agent | 06:05 |
| psycho_oreos | not really, its based on something else | 06:05 |
| tomreyn | since i can't even seem to access the release file from my normal web browser | 06:05 |
| tomreyn | can't be much else really, | 06:06 |
| * psycho_oreos grins | 06:06 | |
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| astruasdh | please, guys... is it possible to isntall android in n900? | 06:06 |
| psycho_oreos | its called nitdroid, and they have their support channel in #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help | 06:07 |
| pabs3 | tomreyn: what URL is the Release file at? | 06:07 |
| tomreyn | basically i'm just trying to learn whether there's something newer than the fremantle1.2 OVI repository. | 06:07 |
| astruasdh | ty... but it ends in a stable system? | 06:07 |
| psycho_oreos | astruasdh, no, I doubt it. There's a wiki page on it telling you exactly what is supported and what is not | 06:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | tomreyn, I sort of doubt it, even if there is nokia may decide to make it obscure for one to access | 06:08 |
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| tomreyn | pabs3: i don't know exactly how to map the apt sources entry to the release URL... I tried some, but noe worked. Here's what my nokia delivered sources.list entry says: | 06:08 |
| psycho_oreos | wb | 06:08 |
| astruasdh | ty | 06:09 |
| tomreyn | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./ | 06:09 |
| astruasdh | I was looking for android in order to talk on the phone while connected to 3g without noise, and to get a better email client | 06:09 |
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| tomreyn | pabs3: and i tried to access https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/dists/fremantle/Release | 06:10 |
| tomreyn | oh, crap, it may be SSL client certificates | 06:10 |
| psycho_oreos | for better email client, modest is getting fixed by the community, they have released their own set of service updates and called it CSSU | 06:10 |
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| astruasdh | is it available at ovi repositories? | 06:11 |
| psycho_oreos | no.. there's maemo.org wiki about it | 06:11 |
| psycho_oreos | CSSU has its own repository | 06:11 |
| psycho_oreos | ~cssu | 06:12 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 06:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | hmm | 06:12 |
| psycho_oreos | ~nitdroid | 06:12 |
| astruasdh | ty | 06:13 |
| astruasdh | is it possible to isntall meego or another os better than maemo? | 06:18 |
| psycho_oreos | you can dualboot meego as that is the recommended option. meego is not fully stable so it is unwise to replace maemo with meego | 06:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | and there's no other OS apart from maemo having a full and proper support of its hardware. | 06:19 |
| astruasdh | what do you think about meego? does it worth to dual boot? | 06:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | I have yet to personally try meego. I said to them (#meego users/devs) that I would give meego a spin as soon as I purchased a spare N900 and 2x 32GB class 10 microSDHC cards. Well that time already came but I'm still fine tuning my maemo setup. It is probably worth dualbooting if you're keen on testing other OS on your tablet but its also recommended that you should be familiar with using linux. | 06:23 |
| psychologe | hello ,,a question ....how used add_remove_language command remove the system language.....i want save english only | 06:24 |
| psycho_oreos | that's a really broken up English sentence there, no I don't really understand what you mean | 06:25 |
| psycho_oreos | you can't easily add/remove languages, I believe ruskie on his about page on wiki has done a nasty hack to only have English as the language | 06:26 |
| psychologe | sorry my bad english,,,i want remove othen system language..... | 06:27 |
| psycho_oreos | I believe what I said afterwards may help :) | 06:28 |
| psychologe | thank you , i will search it | 06:28 |
| astruasdh | ty :) | 06:29 |
| psycho_oreos | fyi, nitdroid and meego are inherently incompatible, they both provide their own set of bootloaders to work ontop of NOLO. You can install both but you will get a really messed up bootloader, if at worst you may end up bricking your device | 06:31 |
| psychologe | i update enhanced busybox shell ,, when i use nmap in root user....it response :route_dst: Failed to obtain system routes: Premature EOF in /proc/net/route.... | 06:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know if that's related to using enhanced busybox shell, it might be but for some reason I doubt it. Afterall the enhanced busybox doesn't provide nmap | 06:36 |
| psychologe | update busybox and install ssh server before.....nmap work fine .. in user nmap can work...in root not | 06:39 |
| psycho_oreos | have you tried asking google with that query? notably pasting the error into google search? | 06:40 |
| psychologe | ok , i will try it again... | 06:47 |
| psycho_oreos | according to search results they say that you do not have interface/network up | 06:48 |
| psycho_oreos | also I have both busybox-power && ssh-status (which requires openssh-server installed) and have not experienced issue similar to yours | 06:50 |
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| psychologe | i kown't why.....when i reboot ...i execute ifconfig .....interface list not wlan0.....so i execute "ifconfig wlan0 up"...but nmap resopnse same.. | 06:53 |
| psycho_oreos | wlan0 up doesn't help nmap, nmap works on a different layer (in OSI terms). So you need to be associated/connected to a network first before you can use nmap | 06:54 |
| psychologe | nmap 127.0.0.1 can't work...... | 06:54 |
| psycho_oreos | 127.0.0.1 is lo not wlan0 | 06:54 |
| psychologe | some time ago,,,it 's ok | 06:55 |
| psycho_oreos | if anything its user error | 06:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | its got nothing to do with having busybox-power && openssh-server installed | 06:56 |
| psychologe | thank you very much,,psycho_orers......i will study it,,,i am a linux newer | 06:56 |
| psycho_oreos | psychologe, ifconfig lo up && nmap -sT -vv 127.0.0.1 | 06:57 |
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| astruasdh | I was reading meego website... it seems to have n900 support now. but meego is a beta os, isnt it? | 07:02 |
| psycho_oreos | meego already have N900 support but not all features on meego will function on N900. If anything its similar to nitdroid on N900, the port is incomplete. meego is somewhat a beta OS but it doesn't target only one device (i.e. its not dedicated to just N900) | 07:04 |
| psycho_oreos | s/have/had/ | 07:04 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: meego already had N900 support but not all features on meego will function on N900. If anything its similar to nitdroid on N900, the port is incomplete. meego is somewhat a beta OS but it doesn't target only one device (i.e. its not dedicated to just N900... | 07:04 |
| psycho_oreos | ~snack | 07:04 |
| * infobot snack? yes yeaaas yeaaaaaaaaaaas pleaaase :P | 07:04 | |
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| psycho_oreos | ~botsnack | 07:04 |
| infobot | thanks, psycho_oreos | 07:04 |
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| astruasdh | ty, cya =) | 07:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol fark, my thread is flying | 07:37 |
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| RST38bis | moo, all | 09:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | oink | 09:08 |
| RST38bis | what's new and exciting? n9 starts selling in Mongolia? Elop gets beheaded by a door at the nokia office? | 09:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | the latter I'm more willing to click on if found on tmo ;) | 09:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moooo | 10:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kernel_power, busybox_power, burp_bower | 11:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer hates those UPN terms | 11:04 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~uptime | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+uptime | 11:08 |
| infobot | - Uptime for ibot - | 11:08 |
| infobot | Now: 4d 3h 6m 38s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux | 11:08 |
| infobot | 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 | 11:08 |
| infobot | 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 | 11:08 |
| infobot | 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 11:08 |
| infobot | I'm on 119 channels: #debian/1045, #meego/378, #kde/322, #maemo/282, #webos-internals/195, #gsoc/186, #asterisk/163, #wowuidev/150, #wowace/136, #oe/123, #wowhead/118, #openmoko/105, #harmattan/88, #openmoko-cdevel/75, #htc-linux/73, #diablofans/64, #utah/59, #bzflag/58, #tomcat/58, #uclibc/55, #curseforge/54, #edev/45, #asterisk-dev/44, #sc2mapster/44, #slug/44, #elinux/34, #riftuidev/31, #norganna/31, #gllug/28, #/24, #uphpu/20, #utos/19, ... | 11:08 |
| infobot | i've cached 4693 users, 3429 unique users, distributed over 119 channels. | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I still fail to notice any noticeable spam attacks to tmo (not that I'd be too active on tmo, but even when looking for spam I can't see any) | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon__: ^^^ | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, we're <300 users on this chan - that's a sad record | 11:36 |
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| freemangordon__ | DocScrutinizer, because it is no more there ;) | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon__: all this never could happen if tmo would've adopted my suggested cost-based posting scheme. Sth that limits noobs' quantity of allowed posts, based on their prev contributions and behaviour | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tmo became way too "cheap" for posting replies like "WUT?", and doing so at a freq of maybe 10 posts/min | 11:45 |
| freemangordon__ | simple captcha for registration would do the job | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | solve simple integral | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | as soon as tmo users had to "pay" for each post (e.g. some "credits" from their account that only has a limited amount of credits per week), they would think twice before posting BS. If they could earn credits for further posts by gathering "thanks" they even more would worry about quality of their posts | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | and i'm talking simple enough to be googled | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: just give them sin(x) to solve | 11:48 |
| jacekowski | 10% would solve it | 11:48 |
| jacekowski | further 10% would google it | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you think this help for abill_uk to stop his useless bitching? | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 11:48 |
| Atarii | DocScrutinizer I see loads of spam | 11:48 |
| Atarii | just checked and there's not any there now | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not talking about stopping spambots primarily | 11:49 |
| Atarii | I'll give you a screenshot/link if there's any more | 11:49 |
| Atarii | oh | 11:49 |
| Atarii | just useless posts? | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just saying my cost-based post-quota would probably stop spambots as well | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | but primary goal is to get better quality of posts from real users | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | btw. i went to tesco yesterday | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmo is way too much a smalltalk jabber nowadays | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | and i've seen somebody listening to music from an ipad | 11:51 |
| Atarii | lolfail | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 11:52 |
| pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: there is some spam in the games tmo forum | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 11:53 |
| infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 11:54 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 11:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels embarrassed to have sympathised with the epoxy idea some (half) year ago | 11:58 | |
| Atarii | is the connection points small enough that you need to be pretty experienced with soldering to do it? | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | not though for the preemptive fix that's just reinforcing the USB's solder attachment to the PCB | 12:41 |
| SpeedEvil | A blob of epoxy on either side of the connector as a preemptive wouldn't be terrible either | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20 - pretty easy for anybody savvy to hold a soldering iron and actually do decent solder joints | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Though not nearly as effective | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | NEVER use epoxy | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least not this way | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | here's why: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1089843&postcount=29 | 12:43 |
| cehteh | epoxy doesnt glue to the stop mask, neither to the plated metal | 12:44 |
| cehteh | it just soaks into the connector destroying it :P | 12:44 |
| cehteh | when there are no traces inside the board one could drill small holes and use epoxy with glas, kevlar or carbon strands to fix the connector, but i think the soldering is easier to do | 12:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: see my last post on the "ultimative USB fixing thread" - about "ultimative USB fix by not attaching it to PCB at all": http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1090901&postcount=33 | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course abill_uk had to bitch against it immediately ;-P | 12:49 |
| * cehteh yesterday fixed his lost trackpoint on the laptop with epoxy 'knete' | 12:50 | |
| cehteh | looks a bit strange but works :P | 12:51 |
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| Mayank1 | Hi, anyone using the DialCentral application on n900? I am getting a NO JSON object could be decoded error - what am i missing? | 15:26 |
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| repr | hi | 16:47 |
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| eichi | is pyside for python2 only? | 17:22 |
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| repr | I'm seeing the only mobile target in the latest QtCreator version is Harmattan, | 18:22 |
| repr | Do I need to download a different version or another package to compile for Freemantle? | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG | no, you need to start the maintainter/updater part of the SDK and install the fremantle target | 18:42 |
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| luke-jr|otg | moo | 19:08 |
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| lbt | so ... the ssu says something about needing a usb connection ... | 19:20 |
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| lbt | "To update your device .... you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC" | 19:26 |
| lbt | I don't have "a PC" | 19:26 |
| Cor-Ai | what do you use? c64? | 19:26 |
| Cor-Ai | :P | 19:26 |
| lbt | and I don't have Nokia PC Suite | 19:26 |
| lbt | :P | 19:26 |
| NIN101 | this is covered in the installation faq's lbt | 19:27 |
| lbt | I only use server grade hardware :) | 19:27 |
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| NIN101 | lbt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ | 19:28 |
| lbt | NIN101: OK ... going to look | 19:28 |
| lbt | mmmm "RTFM" to understand the misleading message printed on the screen .... | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | We need translators to change that | 19:29 |
| lbt | I think "sorry, the message is totally misleading, glad you found your way here" is better than RTFM :) | 19:29 |
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| lbt | hey bergie | 19:29 |
| lbt | you in Hel this week (or next?) | 19:30 |
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| lbt | libqt4-test | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | remove it | 19:36 |
| lbt | yep - and pyside/sleepanalyzer | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | well, no | 19:40 |
| NIN101 | new TMO spam protection but the spamers are back anyway... | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | packages shouldn't depend on it | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | so blame sleepanalyzer and pyside's devs | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | for depending on python-qt4 which depends on libqt4-test | 19:41 |
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| eichi | is pyside default installed in maemo5? | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lbt: first of all the message is no invention of CSSU, second this is #amemo, not #maemo-ssu | 20:11 |
| lbt | there's a #maemo-ssu ? | 20:12 |
| Mayank1 | Hi, anyone using the DialCentral application on n900? I am getting a NO JSON object could be decoded error - what am i missing? | 20:12 |
| lbt | yeah maybe I should check if there's a #maemo-ssu-sunday first though | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: bitching and fingerpointing won't earn you karma points | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: believe me, crashanddie and me can be worse bastards than you | 20:14 |
| lbt | nor will sarcastic comments about not asking in a niche subchannel that's not mentioned in the channel | 20:14 |
| lbt | and feel free to be a bastard if that's your take on life | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: please stop playing the asshole. NIN101 was quite helpful. If that's not what you expected then too bad, please look somewhere else for help | 20:15 |
| lbt | oh, and if that's your attitude then please don't bother addressing me anymore. I was simply not impressed at the *WIKI* being rather rude. | 20:15 |
| lbt | now ... go look at the logs... I made one comment about the "Read The Fucking Manual" comment. | 20:16 |
| lbt | and then suggested it could be more politely explained... | 20:17 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | whoever added the ability to lock desktop editing to cssu: you rock. thanks! | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I told you that's a genuine Nokia msg | 20:17 |
| lbt | yes. That's fair | 20:17 |
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| lbt | The wiki could point out that "it's a Nokia message, can't be adjusted and now you're here this is what to do" | 20:18 |
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| ale152 | hello | 20:24 |
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| ale152 | i'd like to use my n900 as a sound trigger for my nikon d3100. I already can shoot the camera with h-e-n and gphoto2, now I just should try to execute gphoto2 when the mic input reach a certain value. How can I do that? | 20:26 |
| ale152 | I thought to a python script, but I don't know which libraries to use for this purpose... Can I do it with the audio demon? | 20:27 |
| ale152 | *daemon | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG | get the source of vumeter | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | it's easy to edit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7ltX3Wtok | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | if you're in germany you can't see that vid, sorry :p | 20:30 |
| arvut | hi, can you help me get 'man' working in xterm? I get the error "pager: applet not found" and "man: command exited with status 256: pager -s" | 20:31 |
| arvut | its been like this since I installed it. first manually, then with some extra terminal commands package, and also now with enhanced busybox. | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install less | 20:33 |
| ale152 | MohammadAG, thank you :D | 20:33 |
| arvut | oh :) | 20:33 |
| arvut | or was that for me? O.o | 20:33 |
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| MohammadAG | apt-get install less was for you :P | 20:35 |
| arvut | thought so, ty :) just installed it. | 20:36 |
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| arvut | how come man gave an error like that then? and what exactly is pager? | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | less is a pager | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | it allows you to display text with scrollbars (if you can call them that) | 20:38 |
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| ale152 | MohammadAG, vumeter is written in c++... | 20:38 |
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| ale152 | is there a way to use python or the audio daemon? | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | you could rewrite it... | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not familiar with the pulseaudio API | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | but editing the C++ code is easy | 20:40 |
| arvut | MohammadAG: ah yes, and I can use less without man too, right? to display textfiles much like cat does? | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | arvut, cat dumps everything, what's shown depends on your terminal emulator | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | most emulators don't have an epic scrollback, so you'd use less for that | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, yeah, dmesg | less | 20:41 |
| ale152 | but I can't write c++... I only know python :( | 20:42 |
| arvut | I've seen dmesg being used here and there, what exactly does that do then? dump a dbus msg? | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | kernel messages | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | ale152, don't you just want to trigger a script? | 20:43 |
| arvut | ale152: you can always learn :) | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | Qt makes C++ easy | 20:43 |
| Sc0rpius | it does indeed | 20:43 |
| ale152 | I don't even know where to start... | 20:43 |
| Sc0rpius | but there's still the "new" and "delete" directives they should have never existed. | 20:43 |
| arvut | MohammadAG: ah, could be useful then | 20:44 |
| ale152 | a bash script would be much easier :D | 20:44 |
| lbt | arvut: if you know python then you can modify an existing Qt C++ app | 20:44 |
| lbt | usually :) | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, you shouldn't use delete directly most of the time anyway ;) | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | deleteLater() is a bit safer | 20:44 |
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| lbt | erm ale152, not arvut :) | 20:44 |
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| Sc0rpius | if you use "new", you have to use "delete" | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | you're new to Qt :P | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | if you have a parented object, you don't have to delete it, when the parent dies the children die with it | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | and QObject::deleteLater() deletes an object when everything's done | 20:46 |
| arvut | lbt: cool, I know some c and c++ (including some gml and nwnc) but python is still on my list of langs to learn :P I'm not at Qt level yet though.. | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | believe me, Qt doesn't need a week to learn | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | sure, you won't be a pro, but it comes with time | 20:46 |
| lbt | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/tutorials.html | 20:47 |
| arvut | yeah, but I need more C++ first :) | 20:47 |
| Sc0rpius | so ok let's say I have a window then a create a stacked window like this: QWiget *widget = new MyWidget(); setCentralWidget(widget); widget->show(); | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | 4.7 | 20:47 |
| Sc0rpius | when the widget is done, I have to delete it manually | 20:47 |
| Sc0rpius | otherwise I'd have a memory leak | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | why not parent it? | 20:47 |
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| lbt | MohammadAG: oops... http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/tutorials.html bad google | 20:47 |
| Sc0rpius | ok sorry | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | QWidget *widget = new QWidget(parent); | 20:47 |
| Sc0rpius | new MyWidget(this); | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | widget->setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | widget->show() | 20:48 |
| Sc0rpius | oh | 20:48 |
| Sc0rpius | Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose <-- that I didn't know about | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | the close button on the window/widget deletes it | 20:48 |
| Sc0rpius | I actually connect the SIGNAL(disconnect()) | 20:48 |
| Sc0rpius | to the parent to delete it | 20:48 |
| Sc0rpius | interesting | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | heh, I didn't know about it at first | 20:48 |
| * Sc0rpius goes to modify his current project | 20:48 | |
| lbt | Sc0rpius: to be fair learning how Qt manages your memory allocation is interesting | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | of course, suppose you have a mainwindow with some code that's like uploading something | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | then you can remove the attribute again and delete it later | 20:49 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 20:50 |
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| ale152 | hey! | 20:51 |
| Sc0rpius | and I do agree Qt is great | 20:51 |
| ale152 | I just discovered that vumeter already does what I want!! | 20:51 |
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| Sc0rpius | for any platform | 20:51 |
| ale152 | it has "trigger command" and "trigger value" :D | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:52 |
| lbt | that's a shame ... finding a reason to hack on something is usually what gets you going ;) | 20:52 |
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| ale152 | oh no! | 20:58 |
| ale152 | I have no more free space on my disk and I can't install the maemo sdk... | 20:59 |
| ale152 | could someone compile this package for maemo? http://sourceforge.net/projects/gphoto/files/ | 20:59 |
| ale152 | I could only find the previous version that does not support my camera :( | 20:59 |
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| ale152 | someone ported the previous version: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gphoto2/ | 21:03 |
| ale152 | the last one is the 2.4.11 | 21:04 |
| ale152 | shoud I contact the mantainer of the package to request an update? | 21:04 |
| mece | hmm tmo is really slow for me today. Anyone else having trouble? | 21:04 |
| ale152 | I don't know how it works.. | 21:04 |
| Sc0rpius | you could try that ale152 | 21:05 |
| Sc0rpius | or compile it yourself | 21:05 |
| ale152 | I have not enough space on my disk to install the maemo sdk... | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | delete some of the porn you already watched :P | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | I run the SDK in a 10 GB Ubuntu VM | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | you don't need that much | 21:07 |
| ale152 | lol | 21:07 |
| ale152 | I'm on a very old pc with a very small hd | 21:07 |
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| ErwinJunge | If you're on a very old pc running a VM probably isn't a good idea :) | 21:10 |
| ale152 | how can I install "make" on my n900? | 21:11 |
| ErwinJunge | I don't have time to do this at the moment, but am willing to look into it for you later. Provided it only takes typing "./configure; make", no time to port stuff now. | 21:11 |
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| ale152 | thank you :D | 21:12 |
| ErwinJunge | ale152: Installing a complete development environment on the device is not recommended (and quite complicated) | 21:12 |
| ale152 | it's a command line app, so it only need configure-make :D | 21:12 |
| ale152 | i already did it some time ago, and it worked | 21:12 |
| ErwinJunge | Not neccesarily true, but I'll give it a try. | 21:12 |
| ale152 | but i remember i had a lot of problem with free root space | 21:12 |
| ale152 | *problems | 21:13 |
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| ErwinJunge | Ah, that's different :) If you say it worked, it'll probably still work. | 21:13 |
| ErwinJunge | You want to use this with h-e-n? | 21:13 |
| ale152 | yes | 21:13 |
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| ale152 | a maemo forum user had it working with my camera, but he shared only gphoto2 package and forget the libgphoto2 package :( | 21:14 |
| ErwinJunge | So you just want libgphoto2? | 21:14 |
| ale152 | i don't know if the gphoto2 he uploaded is the last version.. | 21:15 |
| ErwinJunge | Downloading latest version now. Btw, bugging the maintainer on the repos is also a good idea so that other people can also benefit from this. | 21:16 |
| ale152 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65483 | 21:16 |
| ale152 | this is the thread | 21:16 |
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| ErwinJunge | ale152: trying for you now | 21:33 |
| ale152 | thank you :D | 21:34 |
| ErwinJunge | This of course comes with the regular "no warranty warranty". If this blows up your phone, I am in no way responsible :) I also have not tested the software on my own phone, so don't know if it will actually work. | 21:34 |
| ale152 | no problem :D | 21:36 |
| ErwinJunge | It compiles, I'll zip it for you, just a sec. | 21:38 |
| ale152 | :D :D | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | well, that's why Nokia's better than you | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | if the N950 blows up they can give you 50 bucks! | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ale152: please report on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 | 21:42 |
| ErwinJunge | ale152: www.junge.nl/gphoto_ale152.zip | 21:42 |
| ErwinJunge | Please let me know when you finish downloading so I can remove the file. | 21:42 |
| ErwinJunge | That file contains the directory structure as created by 'make install' | 21:43 |
| ale152 | download completed :D | 21:43 |
| ale152 | thank you very very very much :D | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | so my HP touchpad has black dots on it and they're not going off | 21:43 |
| ErwinJunge | Unpacking it in the root of the phone would have the same result as if you typed 'make install' on device (I hope). | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | that can't be a good thing | 21:44 |
| ErwinJunge | Ok, let me know if it works :) | 21:44 |
| ale152 | i'm trying it now | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LCD pixel errors? | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | no no, the mouse pad tihngy | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | thingy* | 21:45 |
| ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: I wonder what would happen if you tried to send it in for repairs :) | 21:45 |
| ErwinJunge | mouse pad thingy? | 21:45 |
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| MohammadAG | laptop pad | 21:47 |
| ErwinJunge | Ahhh, hp laptop :) | 21:47 |
| ErwinJunge | ale152: Regarding your post in that thread, does gphoto also allow you to control your camera? Because I would be interested in that :) | 21:48 |
| ale152 | yes, sure :D | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, DocScrutinizer http://i55.tinypic.com/1427eyc.jpg | 21:50 |
| ErwinJunge | Hm... let me know if it works for you :) You use me as compile machine, I use you as labrat ;) | 21:50 |
| ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: Odd, but why do you care? | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | cause it looks weird | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | and it wasn't there this morning | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | for all I know it could be the pox | 21:51 |
| ErwinJunge | Oh, that makes it interesting if it somehow appeared within hours | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | insects? | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | under it? | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:52 |
| ErwinJunge | Still no idea, but interesting :) | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=gewittertierchen&hl=de&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=AD52TpjiAcmRswb1z4CWCw&ved=0CDEQsAQ | 21:53 |
| ale152 | uhmm | 21:53 |
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| ale152 | I can't find the gphoto2 exe | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=gewittertierchen | 21:54 |
| ale152 | I can only find config and port-config | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry nfc how's the english term | 21:54 |
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| ErwinJunge | ale152: Honestly, I didn't even look at what was in there :) I just did configure; make; make install in a custom prefix and then zipped the results. | 21:56 |
| ErwinJunge | Just a sec, I'll go take a look | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fransenflügler#Fransenfl.C3.BCgler_besch.C3.A4digt_Monitore | 21:57 |
| ale152 | ErwinJunge, http://clip2net.com/clip/m48794/1316372216-cliptt2880-84kb.png | 21:57 |
| ale152 | there seems to be a file that is a dir | 21:57 |
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| ErwinJunge | ale152: hm... interesting. usr/local/bin only contains config stuff. Perhaps the gphoto program is a seperate source package? | 21:59 |
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| ale152 | i don't really know... | 22:00 |
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| ErwinJunge | Seems like it | 22:01 |
| ErwinJunge | I just clicked the "download latest here" link :) | 22:01 |
| ErwinJunge | That only gave libgphoto | 22:01 |
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| ale152 | ah :D | 22:03 |
| ErwinJunge | Doing gphoto now | 22:04 |
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| ErwinJunge | ale152: Try again, same location | 22:07 |
| ale152 | this is gphoto2 + libgphoto2? | 22:08 |
| ErwinJunge | yes | 22:08 |
| ErwinJunge | both in one package | 22:08 |
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| ErwinJunge | also, I checked for the presence of /usr/local/bin/gphoto2 this time :) | 22:09 |
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| ale152 | :) | 22:12 |
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| ErwinJunge | Let me know if it works :) | 22:12 |
| ale152 | gphoto2: error while loading shared libraries: libgphoto2_port.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 22:15 |
| ale152 | there's something strange with the file location | 22:16 |
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| ale152 | oh no, I have both phone and camera battery out :( | 22:21 |
| ale152 | tomorrow i'll try again... | 22:21 |
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| ErwinJunge | ale152: It's definitely in the package | 22:38 |
| ErwinJunge | Best guess: /usr/local/lib is not in the library path | 22:39 |
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| smhar | what is a good messenger program in maemo that is also available in other mobiles, like iphone, BB, Nokia and others? | 23:09 |
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| valdyn | smhar: you mean service, not program as messaging services in maemo are mostly integrated, not seperate programs? | 23:12 |
| smhar | valdyn, correct | 23:12 |
| valdyn | smhar: i suspect about all you can find in maemo is available everywhere else | 23:13 |
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| valdyn | smhar: sms,skype,jabber,msn.... | 23:13 |
| smhar | everyone I know uses whatsup which not available for maemo, so I am trying to show them an alternative to keep in touch with them | 23:13 |
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| valdyn | smhar: thing is that whatsapp matches contacts to phone numbers. There's nothing like that in maemo. | 23:14 |
| valdyn | smhar: and the only service that does the same might be bbm | 23:14 |
| smhar | what is bbm? | 23:14 |
| valdyn | smhar: blackberry messenger | 23:15 |
| valdyn | smhar: both work like sms but via internet so are cheaper on contracts that include internet | 23:15 |
| smhar | I used neither, I am happy with skype, but I can not talk with myself, I need something that the others will use :-) | 23:16 |
| valdyn | smhar: the others can use skype | 23:16 |
| valdyn | smhar: all those services drain the battery quite alot, except the special services like whatsapp and bbm | 23:17 |
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| valdyn | well, i dont actually know bbm, so this is just what i suspect | 23:17 |
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| valdyn | smhar: maybe google messaging is a good choice for android users | 23:19 |
| valdyn | smhar: and it works fine in maemo too | 23:19 |
| smhar | my friends and family are either on Nokia or iphone these days | 23:20 |
| valdyn | smhar: and it can be used on any phone too | 23:20 |
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| valdyn | smhar: symbian phones have a program for all services except bbm | 23:20 |
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| valdyn | smhar: http://store.ovi.com/search?q=jabber | 23:21 |
| valdyn | smhar: google's service is just jabber | 23:22 |
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| valdyn | smhar: plus http://store.ovi.com/search?q=google+messaging | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | Whatsapp's underlying system is XMPP | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | just saying | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | I offered to developer a MeeGo/Maemo version, they never replied | 23:23 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: interesting, to bad its nonetheless restricted to whatever whatsapp allows | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | problem is, there's Skype/MSN etc but everyone's using whatsapp | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | and Viber | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | in a year, something new will come up and people will switch to that | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | annoying times we live in | 23:25 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG++ | 23:26 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: the battery drain is bad on the others and the phone number <-> contact matching to convenient | 23:26 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: which means i can easily have multiple messengers like whats app running, but multiple like skype... no way, even skype alone drains to much | 23:27 |
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| MohammadAG | battery drain is fine on XMPP | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | or IRC | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | or Facebook chat | 23:27 |
| javispedro | not even Skype drains the battery that much | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | MSN/Skype would be the implementation's fault, Skype's P2P and MSN is.. badly coded cause it's undocumented? | 23:27 |
| javispedro | my 4day record was done with skype | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 23:28 |
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| MohammadAG | the N900's battery suffered from Skype when you had a continuous conversation | 23:28 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: skype is only implemented by the vendor, so uh, they have whatever docs they want | 23:28 |
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| MohammadAG | but if you're just idling, it's fine | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | I was talking about MSN | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | Whatsapp is closed | 23:29 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: alright then | 23:29 |
| javispedro | Whatsapp is not only closed, but their company actively hostile against new clients | 23:29 |
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| valdyn | those vendors not implementing whatsapps only nice feature are dumb, or at least i dont get it | 23:29 |
| javispedro | what's Whatsapps only nice feature and why I'm sure it's already implemented everywhere else? | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder what'd happen if we reverse engineer it | 23:30 |
| valdyn | javispedro: matching contacts to phone numbers isnt implemented everywhere else | 23:30 |
| javispedro | uh? | 23:30 |
| javispedro | my N900 does it | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | Whatsapp's nice feature is it uses phone numbers as IDs | 23:30 |
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| javispedro | ah | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | no | 23:31 |
| javispedro | so it _forces_ you to share your phone nubmer? | 23:31 |
| javispedro | what a feature... | 23:31 |
| valdyn | javispedro: yes | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | You can merge contacts and stuff | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | but with whatsapp you don't have to add friends | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | they're already there | 23:31 |
| valdyn | javispedro: its ok that you dont like it, but its the only reason why its popular at all | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yes, I realize that sucks, and when you change the SIM, you're gone | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it's like MyNokia | 23:32 |
| javispedro | valdyn: I've asked many times why iPhoners liked about WhatsApp. It's the first time I hear this. | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | no no no | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | the only reason it's popular is because people are becoming lazy | 23:32 |
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| valdyn | javispedro: they dont know, because it "just works" | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | Whatsapp auto starts on Symbian, you can't close it | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | you don't need to add contacts | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | and 3rd, people are ignoring their SMS plans for internet plans | 23:32 |
| valdyn | javispedro: its sms, except you dont pay | 23:32 |
| valdyn | javispedro: same as facetime for video | 23:33 |
| javispedro | "it's sms except you don't pay" to a person that has been using IM on his N810/N900 since ages ago.. | 23:33 |
| javispedro | but yes, that's one of the average answers I've heard | 23:33 |
| javispedro | based on total ignorance | 23:33 |
| valdyn | javispedro: sure | 23:33 |
| javispedro | "it's sms except you don't pay" so I point them to search for google talk on the app store, make them download the first app | 23:34 |
| javispedro | et voila, "it's sms except you don't pay", and it's free. | 23:34 |
| javispedro | (because, oh, surprise! whatsapp clients are not free...) | 23:34 |
| javispedro | (as in beer) | 23:34 |
| valdyn | javispedro: please, we've all heared this, but this isnt useful | 23:34 |
| javispedro | what is not useful. | 23:35 |
| javispedro | what's not useful is moving again to a propietary Im network. | 23:35 |
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| javispedro | I had to go through that during MSN | 23:35 |
| valdyn | javispedro: your attitude - except if you can tell us how to convert our 500 contacts to use a true free service | 23:35 |
| javispedro | valdyn: I costed me _years_ to move all my contacts to GTalk. | 23:35 |
| javispedro | *It | 23:35 |
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| valdyn | javispedro: there you go.. | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | People barely use MSN nowadays | 23:36 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: exactly, but it's like the days when it was gaining popularity all again | 23:36 |
| valdyn | javispedro: myself i just use sms or email, easier | 23:36 |
| javispedro | noone knows exactly why, but it just starts to get used. | 23:36 |
| javispedro | (well, during msn days you could argue it had something to do with being included in win98..) | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's the top app on both app stores? | 23:37 |
| valdyn | javispedro: i suspect people now drop whatever they do on the pc, pick up the iphone, send a message and go back to the pc | 23:37 |
| valdyn | javispedro: thats fucking stupid, but thats probably what people do | 23:37 |
| repr | It couldn't hurt to have Whatsapp available for maemo anyway | 23:38 |
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| javispedro | sadly, it WILL hurt | 23:39 |
| javispedro | because A) Maemo doesn't get extra sales (not that it could) | 23:39 |
| javispedro | b) A bunch of people that would otherwise NOT use Whatsapp start using it. | 23:39 |
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| repr | I see it the other way around: as it doesn't change anything, as people who use a different IM will keep using it, it could just make our lives easier to send messages to iUsers | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | think again | 23:41 |
| repr | yes, you'd not try to convince others, but for the average user, you'd not succeed either | 23:42 |
| javispedro | you play the "iUsers" game -- you will eventually get hurt. When they move on to the next big paywalled IM network. | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | iOS5 will have iMessage | 23:42 |
| javispedro | the only winning move is not to play =) | 23:42 |
| repr | hehehe | 23:42 |
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| RST38h | iOS5 will have iPlunger2, now with a longer handle | 23:44 |
| valdyn | imessage is really going to make carriers hate iphone | 23:44 |
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| MohammadAG | do users care? | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | AT&T sucks, people said that and they stayed on it | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | why? cause of the iPhone | 23:45 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: sure, but the result is in any case that carriers will try to keep the market open | 23:45 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: which again may be good for users even if they dont realise that | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | oh well | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | that's not a concern of mine, gotta wake up in 7 hours | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | night :) | 23:47 |
| valdyn | night | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | night,Mohammad | 23:48 |
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