| kerio | open source *all* the game! _o/ | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems they are working on it | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it really should've been done for launch. | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know the game, it's always same | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first roll out the product, then care about cleaning up last dirty corners in your sourcecode where your devs c&p'd TI's reference implementation | 00:04 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: don't worry, by the time you're getting it it'll be already open sourced | 00:22 |
| javispedro | (or the company gone with the Nokia executives having fled with all the money =) ) | 00:22 |
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| jiero | there are too many open-source. as there are too many projects. | 00:32 |
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| ioan | hi. I wonder how hard would be to make this work on maemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcDcAyW9JZA (Fully automated WEP hacking) | 00:37 |
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| RST38h | shouldn't let random idiots fully automatically hack WEP | 00:39 |
| RST38h | bad for environment, breeds idiots | 00:39 |
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| ioan | RST38h, too late | 00:40 |
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| _trine | RST38h, theres no harm in letting idiots automatically hack wep because they will only be hacking other idiots using it | 00:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yes, and maybe there's be a MeeGo app to go with it. :P | 00:47 |
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| Sc0rpius | wow Qt is great, and QtCreator greater | 00:48 |
| Sc0rpius | I've wasted years of my life coding in GLIB | 00:48 |
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| javispedro | arrrgh, the manual says "the Draw Buffer will always contain the latest representation of the | 00:54 |
| javispedro | Active Buffer as a starting position", but no, it contains the previous contents of the Draw Buffer | 00:54 |
| * javispedro wants the damn updated doc | 00:54 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, hit the forums? | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: how could the draw buffer be less actual than the active buffer? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, double-buffered :-/ nevermind | 01:08 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: doublebuffered | 01:08 |
| javispedro | :) | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THAT is a terrible bug | 01:09 |
| javispedro | probably somethign that I need to enable in one of the many fields that are listed as "reserved" in the current doc | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 01:10 |
| javispedro | oh, oh | 01:10 |
| javispedro | seems I was actually sending garbage on such a field =) | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | more looks like docs are made from specs, like implementation. Only that implementation did miss an elementary bit | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, bbl | 01:11 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/chumby_nettv_hack/ <-- hmm | 09:15 |
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| eichi | hello. what IDE and SDK for pyside ? | 09:55 |
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| harbaum | What is wrong with the autobuilder? It's building gcc instead of the cod ei uploaded https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/cacheme_0.8.8-1/ | 10:06 |
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| tomreyn | hi, i'm trying to get some help updating maemo on my newly arrived (but previously used) n900 to the latest version. is this a good place to ask for help? | 15:25 |
| psycho_oreos | it is probably the only place to ask for unofficial live support ;) | 15:26 |
| tomreyn | :) | 15:26 |
| psycho_oreos | so which part do you need help with? | 15:27 |
| tomreyn | so, i see the phone is currently on v 20.2010.36-2, what's the newest stable release? (the one you'd want to keep everything important working) | 15:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | 20.2010.36-2 is the latest official release from nokia themselves. There's no newer firmwares offically from them. Though if you want to be a little more updated (and going through unofficial channels), there's CSSU. Its not always stable (but there are times it is) and it has bugfixes that nokia probably were supposed to provide but never did | 15:29 |
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| tomreyn | is there a way to prevent installing these non-stable builds of CSSU? | 15:31 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 15:31 |
| tomreyn | i.e. only picking those which are stable? | 15:31 |
| tomreyn | so there is not something like a rating system for these builds? | 15:31 |
| psycho_oreos | what may work in one case may not work in other, so its all really just a matter of contributing in finding bugs and getting the bugs squished | 15:31 |
| psycho_oreos | not really, because people are entitled to have their opinions which are usually lopsided views :) | 15:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | and the updates comes in version updates.. each version they release fixes numerous things.. so you can't upgrade certain bits and pieces and forget others that easily | 15:33 |
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| tomreyn | i'm happy to do contribute to finding and reporting bugs. i cannot live with a device which has basic functionality (telephony, sms, wireless lan) broken for more than a few hours at most, though | 15:33 |
| psycho_oreos | this is why having current backups and/or spare N900 handy :) | 15:34 |
| tomreyn | hah, i could hardly afford this one | 15:34 |
| psycho_oreos | ugh.. s/handy/useful for such situations/ | 15:34 |
| psycho_oreos | well current backups would be the choice there then :) use something like robbiethe1st's backupmenu | 15:35 |
| tomreyn | i definately will want to have backups though | 15:35 |
| psycho_oreos | and current ones ontop :) | 15:35 |
| psycho_oreos | you don't want old backups that you restore and you realise those old backups don't have the newer data you have inputted prior to creating that backup | 15:36 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yup; keep nice sets of backups, backup before you do something risky, and then rollback if it doesn't work | 15:37 |
| tomreyn | so what do i backup, emmc, fiasco or both? | 15:38 |
| psycho_oreos | rootfs + /home|/opt.. but backupmenu does that :) | 15:38 |
| tomreyn | okay, and to install backupmenu i do... what exactly? add an apt source? | 15:39 |
| tomreyn | i've got a debian / sysadmin background ;) | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | yes.. enabling extras-devel iirc | 15:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Yup, it's in extras-devel. | 15:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | you might want to backup your current setup now with osso-backup in case backupmenu doesn't work (it shouldn't but its always good to have a backup made) | 15:40 |
| psycho_oreos | and once you have installed backupmenu successfully, backup properly using backupmenu | 15:40 |
| tomreyn | well i have a blank phone, isn't it as easy as restoring the entire software on it? | 15:40 |
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| tomreyn | ...when something goes wrong | 15:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | technically no, you can go flash fiasco alone but if you flashed eMMC, you will erase your contacts, SMS history, etc | 15:41 |
| tomreyn | there are none | 15:42 |
| tomreyn | it's a blank installation, like a new phone | 15:42 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 15:42 |
| psycho_oreos | heh well in that case I guess you don't have much to lose | 15:42 |
| kevin_b | hello guys | 15:43 |
| kevin_b | does anyone have psx4m working with opengl? | 15:43 |
| kevin_b | does anyone *has* | 15:43 |
| kevin_b | have | 15:43 |
| kevin_b | :) | 15:43 |
| psycho_oreos | the backups won't be big with backupmenu for your case anyway, unlike those of us who use N900 more will generally have bigger backup files.. and tinkerers like me has huge ones :).. though if you used backupmenu you would save yourself some bandwidth with downloading of data anyway and waiting around | 15:44 |
| tomreyn | psycho_oreos: so my first step of working with this phone should be to install backupmenu, which is done by somehow adding 'extras-devel' to /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 15:44 |
| tomreyn | i guess i need to setup a wireless connection first | 15:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | tomreyn, the best way (well the maemo way) is to really go through using hildon application manager (HAM) | 15:45 |
| tomreyn | which can be accessed thorugh gui, i assume? | 15:45 |
| psycho_oreos | but if you decide to use CLI method, that's also ok as well | 15:45 |
| psycho_oreos | yes | 15:45 |
| psycho_oreos | I think its called `App Manager' | 15:45 |
| psycho_oreos | though really adding extras-devel to `App Manager' will probably hog the device like hell for the next maybe 5-10 minutes after having downloaded the repository file listing | 15:46 |
| tomreyn | i have a localized (german) variant, there is 'program manager' | 15:46 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh I guess that would be it :) I am using global firmware with English UK as language base and English AU as locality | 15:47 |
| tomreyn | yes looks like it's the right application. i'm setting up wireless now. | 15:48 |
| psycho_oreos | in fact `program manager' would be a more appropriate word than `app manager' :) | 15:48 |
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| tomreyn | so i have four 'catalogs' (which seem to be APT sources): nokia applications, nokia system software updates, OVI, maemo.org. do i edit one of these or add a new one? | 15:52 |
| tomreyn | psycho_oreos: is there a how-to on this somewhere so i don't waste your precious time? | 15:52 |
| tomreyn | i was looking for a getting started guide but i guess i couldn't find anything similar. | 15:53 |
| psycho_oreos | tomreyn, yes you have to add a new one | 15:53 |
| psycho_oreos | err.. lemme go find that wiki link | 15:53 |
| psycho_oreos | tomreyn, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel | 15:54 |
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| psycho_oreos | also, you should have a read of the information printed on top of that wiki page in regards to extras-devel. Not that I guess would affect you that greatly but I still suggest that you read it and take note should issues arise. | 15:56 |
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| tomreyn | yes, i just read that i should backup before adding this repository to be able to add a backup software. | 15:56 |
| tomreyn | ;-) | 15:56 |
| tomreyn | but yes, you said i can use the one already there for a first step. | 15:57 |
| psycho_oreos | well its not just that, there's stuff like it may drain power excessively, cause bootloops, etc, etc, etc | 15:57 |
| psycho_oreos | err no, I don't think you can convert that extras from the list of four repositories to be extras-devel.. I thought that wasn't allowed | 15:58 |
| tomreyn | can i use apt preferences to prevent installing updated but problematic software versions from there? | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | uhh I think you can.. there were devs talking about using PIN for instance or `pinning' as they refer the subject as | 15:59 |
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| tomreyn | right, apt pinning | 15:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | for me I use the old fashioned method of holding via dpkg | 16:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | also aptitude (not available with the device by default) can also hold packages, etc.. too bad the ncurses UI doesn't work | 16:01 |
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| tomreyn | curses dosn't work in general? | 16:04 |
| tomreyn | *ncurses | 16:04 |
| tomreyn | i was also told about 'power kernel' would be a good idea to install. but i guess that's a step after i did the backup. | 16:05 |
| psycho_oreos | not sure but I doubt it.. not that I'm familiar with the variations of CLI based programs with menu driven interfaces. mc for instance does work, so does htop | 16:05 |
| tomreyn | i see | 16:05 |
| psycho_oreos | well making the backup with backupmenu won't affect installation of power-kernel as the actual kernel sits in an area where its not accessible for backupmenu. Though with osso-backup, it'll prompt you to install it (if you have the correct repositories enabled prior to backup and already have power-kernel installed prior to backup). | 16:07 |
| psycho_oreos | power kernel adds lots more features but its not completely stable and has its own issues | 16:07 |
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| tomreyn | thanks for your help psycho_oreos | 16:22 |
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| tomreyn | i forgot to say that :) | 16:22 |
| psycho_oreos | tomreyn, heh nw.. too bad its not like tmo threads where I get `thank' tags tallied up ;) | 16:23 |
| * psycho_oreos denotes that as not a serious concern when winking :p | 16:23 | |
| tomreyn | :) | 16:24 |
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| tomreyn | looks like i'm locked into a vicious circle here: i want to create the apt preferences file (to apt pin extras-devel), so, as I read, I need to install 'getroot' from the 'extras' repository (which is already installed and active). But I can't seem to find a package named 'getroot'. nad if i could, i would not be able to install it (on the terminal) since that would require root permissions. | 16:33 |
| psycho_oreos | you meant rootsh or gainroot | 16:33 |
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| tomreyn | oops s/getroot/gainroot/, this might be why | 16:34 |
| psycho_oreos | rootsh I believe is in extras repository, gainroot may also be available from within the same repository (extras) but you can alleviate all that by temporarily (or permanently if you wish to do so) enable R&D mode | 16:34 |
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| tomreyn | if only i knew how ;) | 16:35 |
| tomreyn | i found the rootsh package and will install that now | 16:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode <-- R&D mode | 16:36 |
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| scoobertron | is anyone using zhaan? I am finding is is crashing randomly and wondered if I was the only one | 17:00 |
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| godmachine-x6 | what happened to lcuk???? | 17:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | he passed away | 17:10 |
| mece | godmachine-x6, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1088957 | 17:11 |
| godmachine-x6 | psycho_oreos:: hate to jump in here and just ask questions. but i was trying to figure out what happened to him.. he didn't seem like anything was wrong that i was aware of! | 17:12 |
| psycho_oreos | godmachine-x6, well it seems like mece is right on the ball there | 17:14 |
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| godmachine-x6 | ok sorry for asking then | 17:15 |
| godmachine-x6 | sorry for everyones loss | 17:15 |
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| Guest3596 | hi guys is there a way to configure N900 only to receive calls coming from numbers saved on the phonebook ? | 19:07 |
| hiemanshu | Guest3596: I think pycallblocker should work | 19:09 |
| Guest3596 | hiemanshu thanks for the tip | 19:09 |
| Guest3596 | i'll check it out | 19:10 |
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| RokSteady | psycho_oreos, DocScrutinizer51 (and perhaps someone else who helped me the other day): thank you for the hints... I've now fixed my headset: http://shishworks.blogspot.com/2011/09/nokia-n900-headset-white-m-lead-broken.html | 19:56 |
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| Guest87354 | hiemanshu that app does not support the phonebook :( | 20:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | RokSteady: :) | 20:17 |
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| gmathisz | is the N810 still receiving support from the community? | 20:41 |
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| luke-jr | gmathisz: no | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | gmathisz: Nokia basically prevented community from maintaining N8x0 | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | it's like 75% closed source | 20:50 |
| neal | I thought the big problem was the power management | 20:50 |
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| neal | poky worked otherwise rather well | 20:50 |
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| gmathisz | thank you, luke-jr | 21:22 |
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| unixSnob | so I switched to an android phone, because maemo has only 1-sim devices.. and android os seems to be a piece of shit | 21:56 |
| unixSnob | has maemo been ported to any dual sim devices? | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 21:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Maemo has inherent large chunks of non-free binary. | 21:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | So you can't port it. (legally) | 21:58 |
| unixSnob | SpeedEvil: there was an effort to replace all those black boxes. iirc, the only driver not replaced was bluetooth (and the drivers probably need to be replaced anyway if the hardware differs) | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not that simple. | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, you can replace the whole lot. | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | That's 'simple' | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't replace - say - BME | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | As it talks to MCE, and a whole heap of other stuff over closed interfaces | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | So what you end up isn't really maemo. | 22:00 |
| ruskie | I though people were trying to reverse it | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | The effort sort-of-petered-out. | 22:01 |
| ruskie | :( | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo is basically ideally designed to frustrate replacement of the system components. | 22:01 |
| ruskie | well if the base would remain the same(with closed swaped out for something semi-compatbile open) and the UX is left I'd still consider it maemo | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | There are multiple closed apps and daemons, all of which talk to each other over closed interfaces. | 22:02 |
| unixSnob | Mamona.. that's what it was called | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | So you can't rip out one, and have the others work | 22:02 |
| ruskie | yeah | 22:02 |
| ruskie | I can understand that | 22:02 |
| ruskie | you'de basically have to replace all of those | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | You either have to reimplement the closed undocumented communication, or replace them all. | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes, it could run most random maemo apps. | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | But you'd need a new dialer, ... | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1006716#post1006716 | 22:03 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, so in other words... bash head against wall until your brain truns to mush | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not going to do that - doesn't sound like much fun ;-) | 22:08 |
| ruskie | hehe | 22:08 |
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| Pali | ruskie: all closed packages in maemo fremantle is in this list: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 22:22 |
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| ruskie | http://imgur.com/gallery/L8gdO | 22:33 |
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| jacekowski | wow | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | they fixed my n900 | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | at least that's what it says on carphonewarehouse website | 23:28 |
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| javispedro | usb? | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | yes | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure what i'm going to get back | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | Repair type: Manufacturers Warranty Repair completed on: 16/09/2011 | 23:31 |
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| javispedro | funn | 23:32 |
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| RST38h | moo. | 23:48 |
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| ErwinJunge | jacekowski: In all likelyhood, an N8 ;) | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | ErwinJunge: i've told them to make a note that i will not accept N8 | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | ErwinJunge: or any other phone | 23:50 |
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| ErwinJunge | Hm... I'd be pleasantly surprised if someone actually read that note, but good luck. A tip if it does turn out to be an "upgrade": complain loudly on their facebook page. It has worked for at least 1 person here in the Netherlands. | 23:52 |
| ErwinJunge | They sent him an N8 no less than 4 times before finally caving and sending him an N900. | 23:53 |
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