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meegoexpertsGary Will be Missed, it was a pleasure to have known him.00:30
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pugvaderthis was my fav song 18 years ago01:12
pugvaderwhere's lardman01:12
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pugvaderif you're into computers, check that soung out01:13
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pugvaderahead of its time01:13
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pugvaderVERY FAR01:13
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GeneralAntillesmeegoexperts, yeah, we're all reeling.01:20
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h_markswondering it is posible to do same with nokia n90003:31
h_marksinteresting video03:32
h_marksfor somebody :)03:32
h_markswould like to add something similar to my device03:33
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h_marksmeego could add somthing similar as google doo03:34
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h_markswhat do you think?03:38
h_marksok clear i like it too03:40
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Jerbnikyou see the market cozld aupport linux phones04:02
JerbnikIf there was less waste, bureaucracy and war04:03
Jerbnikbut we didnt want to think about fighting04:03
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Macorguess it is comcasts bimonthly outage time05:01
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DocScrutinizerduh, pubn.. err jerbnik :-)11:30
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JaffaMorning, all11:32
DocScrutinizermoo Jaffa11:32
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RST38hMoo all11:40
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bash`sorry, I didn't check if this has already been discussed, but after the recent updates I cannot lock/unlock my n900 with the key on the right12:20
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bash`MohammadAG: ping12:33
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robbiethe1stHack it, then!12:39
robbiethe1stGot BackupMenu?12:39
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psychologehello badys12:41
psychologehas someone instersting hydra .Hydra is a tool to guess/crack valid login/password pairs .......install the newest version on my N90012:42
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: morning!13:22
javispedromorning folks13:24
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RST38hBallmer: Windows Phones aren't selling very well, but we're not worried14:59
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ZogGRST38h, hey, just read about lcuk, is it true or joke?15:00
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RST38hZogG: true =(15:00
RST38hWith Nokia we have a dedicated hardware partner that is all-in on Windows Phones, Ballmer said. They are not doing something on Android or [any other operating system].15:00
ZogGdamn =(15:00
ZogGhow old he was?15:00
RST38h'damn' does not even start to describe it15:00
ZogGwhat happened ?15:01
ZogGwas a good guy =(15:01
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RST38hnobody knows15:01
RST38hMeanwhile, this Uncle Fester appears to be gloating about the whole Elop deal...15:02
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ZogGwho is fester?15:08
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JaffaZogG: Addams' Family15:09
Jaffa(see also: my brother)15:09
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_trineit looks like Nokia and Netgear etc are forming a go out of business quick club15:13
SpeedEvilWith HP15:14
RST38hyou forgot hp15:14
RST38hah, ok, SpeedEvil caught it15:14
_trinethey'll be part of the etc group15:14
RST38hJaffa: Did you try feeding him bulbs?15:15
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RST38h[related question: anyone tried feeding Ballmer bulbs?]15:15
_trineI didnt know until this week I only live a short distance from where Lcuk lived15:17
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ShadowJKWhat's netgear doing?15:23
ShadowJKexcept putting bad caps in my ethernet switch15:23
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RST38hBallmer: Windows Phone can win third place in mobile!15:26
crashanddieI heard they were going down to the beach15:26
RST38h[no shit, if they kill Symbian]15:26
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RST38hChief executive Steven Elop, a former Microsoft executive, is reported to have decided Nokia phones in the US will only be available ready locked into carriers' networks and that unlocked phones that let you  the consumer  pick the network you want will no longer be sold.15:27
RST38hCheers, American users.15:27
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CorsacRST38h: isn't that a way to have more nokia phones subsidized?15:29
RST38hCorsac: No idea15:30
Corsac(I don't know the current state of nokia phones in the us, wrt carriers, but I had the impression they weren't really interested right now)15:30
RST38hIt is a way to make sure no discerning power user will ever buy your phone though15:30
CorsacI'm not sure it's considered bad though :)15:30
* RST38h doubts any amount of ass licking will make a carrier subsidize inferior, unpopular product over a popular one15:31
X-FadeWell, they are sort of locked anyway. By network technology. Not a whole lot of options.15:31
RST38hActually, latest Nokia phones are (were?) penta-band15:31
RST38hso it is not that bad15:31
RST38hwon't give you cdma, but you should be ok with gsm/umts networks15:32
X-FadeRST38h: And there are lots of those in the US :)15:33
RST38hWell, there are just a few carriers in the us to begin with15:33
RST38hbut you can at least choose between those15:33
X-FadeAfaik there is only one left on gsm?15:34
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RST38hX-Fade: Both TMobile and AT&T are GSM and nobody is letting them merge yet15:54
RST38hX-Fade: There are also smaller providers around, if I understand things correctly, especially in midwest15:55
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: though I admit I never really understood if USA carrier situation is really that bad, it seems to me there are like 100 carriers offering GSM, just only for little patches of whole USA16:07
RST38hRight, that is what I have read, although there were only 3 or so (including major ones) at the East Coast16:08
GeneralAntillesIt's not that bad.16:08
* RST38h has been to AT&T Wireless office and yes, it is THAT bad =)16:09
RST38hThey don't care. They don't have to. They are the phone company.16:09
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DocScrutinizer States16:10
SpeedEvils/ /%20/16:11
infobotSpeedEvil meant: But%20I just collapsed into giggles.16:11
SpeedEvilThat's an interesting fail.16:11
RST38hOMG Verizon running GSM network???16:11
DocScrutinizer~GSM_in_USA is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer16:14
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: DUH, indeed16:18
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DocScrutinizerwell, I guess ibot isn't using a per-cahn array of "last said" for each user16:19
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DocScrutinizerthe memory footprint is just large enough right now, even without per-channel*per-user history and with some timeout on s/// as well (though I guess the timeout doesn't purge the history)16:21
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DocScrutinizermeanwhile, what's THAT: http://cordiatab.com16:22
RST38hThat is smoku16:23
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: not that bad? please elaborate16:26
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: do you mean it's not that bad that there are so many small local GSM carriers, because <some way to cope with it>. Or do you suggest this proposition is basically incorrect?16:27
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ZogGVenemo hey16:34
ZogGlong time no see16:35
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, I'm suggesting the choice selection for most areas isn't any more limited than the ISP selection would be16:44
GeneralAntillesand that most US consumers don't actually care whether it's GSM or not.16:44
GeneralAntillesAs their get their phones from their carriers16:44
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: As they get their phones from their carriers16:44
RST38hThe service is atrocious though16:44
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GeneralAntillesThat's incredibly area dependent.16:45
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_trineShadowJK, they had some great routers with atheros chipsets now they have built the new design with crappy broadcom16:47
RST38hGAN: I mean the customer service, not the signal quality (which also seems to be lacking with everyone but Verizon)16:48
GeneralAntillesAlso seems to be area dependent.16:48
GeneralAntillesBut, yes, government-supported monopolies behaving like monopolies is a Bad Thing.16:49
xnt14lcuk's death still makes me feel numb inside, even today.16:53
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, do you mind putting the topic back16:58
crashanddieshrink the current link16:58
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DocScrutinizergoing to shrink later16:59
DocScrutinizerwe already had larger topic poems17:00
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ruskie <-- hehe17:01
chem|struskie: I wonder why... the biggest phone manufacturer ever bids on that horse (me thinks it is a gambling-decease in .fi)17:02
ruskiedisease ;)17:03
ruskie <-- omg... "Online file-sharing is a 'direct assault on freedoms'"17:03
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crashanddieruskie, what out mate, you're starting to sound a lot like pupnik there ;)17:04
crashanddienext thing we know, you're going to start raving about al qaeda and bush.17:04
RST38hcrash: To be honest, this particular headline made me cringe too, this morning17:04
crashanddieI know17:04
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ruskiecrashanddie, lol17:07
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harbaumautobuilder is out of memory?17:33
ruskie <-- hmm17:35
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RST38hBTW, where is pupnik? Is he ok?17:35
GeneralAntillesHaven't heard from him in what feels like months.17:36
RST38hthese recent news suddenly made me wonder where everybody else is17:37
RST38hqwerty12 included17:37
Sicelo~seen pupnik17:37
infobotpupnik <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 110d 5h 5m 56s ago, saying: 'o/'.17:37
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X-FadeNice video by Gary.17:41
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javispedroRST38h: well, you know qwerty12's goodbye "love letter"17:44
javispedroRST38h: and pupnik's last day here he was rather ... himself. but 100x times worse.17:44
RST38hX-Fade: Yeah, I remember this one, as well as discussion (at a cafe in AMS) about how this demo can be extended to multiple N900s placed on a desktop17:44
rm_worki have still been worried about jott, finally called his phone a month or so ago and got a german automated message... left a message on it... his site is stale/dead now...17:45
RST38hjavispedro: I actually liked the letter =)17:45
RST38hjavispedro: He left in style!17:45
rm_workqwerty left a goodbye letter when he left?17:45
rm_worki missed that17:45
ShadowJKiirc it was "fuck you"17:45
ShadowJKin 1000 words17:46
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rm_workanyone have a link to that?17:49
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penguinbaitqwerty :)17:52
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GeneralAntillesrm_work, it was very sweet.17:54
GeneralAntillesJaffa got a shoutout17:54
GeneralAntillesas did crashanddie.17:54
javispedroit's still on the wiki =)17:54
crashanddieIn all fairness, I got back in touch with qwerty afterwards, and he did apologise for what he said.17:56
penguinbaitI used to love internettablettalk.com17:56
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, yeah, I wasn't all that excited by the diatribe.17:57
GeneralAntillespenguinbait, we all did.17:57
rm_workyeah :/17:58
rm_workand then it became... TMO. T_T17:58
GeneralAntillesThen it got filled with the sorts of people who buy MetaWatches and then ask why they can't pair them with their "iPhone 4"s.17:58
GeneralAntillesrm_work, its death had very little to do with that17:58
crashanddieoh, there we go.17:58
GeneralAntillesand everything to do with rising platform popularity.17:58
crashanddieand not sheltering the devs from the community.17:59
GeneralAntillesActually, let me revise that s/people who buy MetaWatches/people who PREORDER MetaWatches/17:59
javispedro(someone will now be forcibly obligated to put something about elitism, etc.)17:59
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, you smug bastard.17:59
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, how's't anyway?17:59
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* javispedro glances at the watch... oh, 5pm =)17:59
javispedrowell, it's still missing a few minutes to 4-hour change as it said on the online instruction booklet18:00
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javispedrothe band looks slightly cheaper than what I thought18:00
javispedrofortunately, it seems easy to replace18:00
GeneralAntillesThat's too bad.18:01
javispedroand what they say about the display is true: there's a mirror behind the LCD -- so "white" pixels are not actually white but totally reflective18:01
GeneralAntillesWeird choice18:02
javispedrotherefore you can get into a very low contrast situation18:02
javispedrobut imo, still readable18:02
* rm_work doesn't even know what a metawatch is18:02
javispedroneed to check how it looks under sunlight18:03
javispedroalso, left buttons are a bit hard to press; on the other side, right ones are quite easy.18:04
javispedroI think this is clearly intentional18:04
javispedrobut you probably need to know if you are lefty18:04
GeneralAntillesrm_work, http://metawtach.org18:04
GeneralAntillesNow owned by a former Nokia exec and some Fossil people.18:04
rm_workthat looks... neat?18:05
javispedrorm_work: wait until I put my demo online of running QML on the watch =)18:06
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javispedro(it actually runs on the phone, controlling watch display via BT)18:06
javispedrostill not done the BT part =) but QML part (calculating damaged area, etc.) is done18:06
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rm_workso if says it is forecasted to be rainy today, you can have your watch just display a huge picture of an umbrella so you can remember before you walk out the door? :P18:07
javispedroit can display the huge umbrella while vibrating18:08
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rm_workdoes it have a speaker?18:08
rm_workor just a beeper18:08
BCMMjavispedro: the idea of an internet-connected watch amuses me18:08
javispedroa sad omission imho, I would've enjoyed a beeper.18:08
javispedroit does have an accelerometer.18:08
javispedrobut I fail to see an use for it.18:08
rm_workso it cannot be used as a stopwatch. k.18:08
BCMMpartly because it would make it fairly easily possible to have dramatic things happen when you press the button on a watch18:09
rm_workBCMM: an internet connected watch is what i've wanted for the past 12+ years18:09
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BCMMlike... explosions, i suppose18:09
javispedrowell, my plan is to allow for QtQuick plugins to be written for the watch18:09
rm_worklol yes18:09
javispedroI am calling them Watchlets =)18:09
BCMMor at least a loud explosion-like sound from a nearby stereo18:09
BCMMthat would actually be a fairly entertaining prank18:09
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rm_workcome home to see FBI van parked in front of house -> press button on watch -> computer at home triggers a mini-EMP in your house18:10
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, pedometer?18:10
javispedroGeneralAntilles: oh, good point.18:10
rm_workGeneralAntilles: so you can detect pedophiles?18:10
javispedro <-- a qml "watchlet" sample18:10
javispedro(note: raw source code)18:10
BCMMamericans can't spell greek...18:10
* rm_work always thinks of "pedometer" as a pedophile detecting device18:10
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you see the Python lib for N900?18:11
javispedroI am missing exactly the BT part so I will take a look.18:11
BCMMMy non-IRC-using friend has an N900 that lost its USB port in the classic fashion. Will Nokia Care be able to tell that he took it to pieces to inspect the damage?18:13
BCMMis there some tamper-evident thing somewhere?18:13
ShadowJKfirst question is obviously: why the fuck did he take it apart if he still has warranty?18:13
harbaumjavispedro: Do you actually have one of these?18:14
BCMMShadowJK: i only just told him he still has warranty. also, he's an engineering student; i think they like taking this apart18:14
javispedroharbaum: charging it now18:14
javispedro(for the first time)18:14
BCMMalso, what are nokia care UK doing at the moment with broken N900s? still offering to replace with the full-retail-kit version of some other handset?18:14
harbaumWhere do you got it from? Are they being sold?18:14
javispedroharbaum: seemingly a batch of the digital one went through, and for some reason I got one despite having preordered it just a week ago18:15
rm_workBCMM: if he's an engineering student, just have him solder a usb plug back on it T_T18:15
harbaumOhm they have a forum for me: Hardware Interface Projects 0 posts, 0 topics18:15
harbaumFor those who immediately void the warranty on purpose.18:15
rm_workit is easily possible if you know what you're doing18:15
javispedroto GeneralAntilles' disgust =)18:15
rm_workor have him ask his professor to do it18:15
GeneralAntillesharbaum, it's clearly because he bribed somebody in TI's shipping department.18:15
javispedroGeneralAntilles: proba18:16
javispedroprobably the lady who fixed my.Ti account =)18:16
BCMMrm_work: he hasn't done it yet because he wasn't sure he could get the soldering iron at the right angle18:16
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BCMMrm_work: i told him i was sure other people had soldered them, but at this point he'd rather not screw thing up warrenty-wise18:16
BCMMif he hasn't already18:16
BCMMnow, i would imagine that they don't even open it if the port has fallen off, but if they do, can they tell it's been previously opened?18:17
harbaumjavispedro: Did you get the digital or analog one?18:17
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ShadowJKAren't there some loctited screws in there that would be mysteriously loose?18:17
javispedroharbaum: digital18:17
javispedroso, let's try to get this qtmobility bluetooth thing to work before I curse the entire thing and go raw sockets.18:18
BCMMShadowJK: is that the blue screws?18:19
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BCMMShadowJK: thanks18:39
ShadowJKnobody knows of any tamper detection anyways18:40
ShadowJKiirc neither that or moisture detector is mentioned in service manuals18:41
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* javispedro lols19:03
javispedroso, trying auto pairing crashes the watch19:03
javispedroto be fair, they do say "SSP pairing mode" is "beta"19:03
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user__when nitdroid n13 release ?19:21
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RST38h"I want to make a product. I have the prototype and motivation and am trying to learn how to do business." - lcuk@twitter, 5 Sep 201119:51
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MohammadAGjavispedro, the watch crashes/can crash?20:00
javispedroMohammadAG: well, it's a computer...20:00
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MohammadAGjavispedro, so's my car20:00
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javispedro<insert joke about crashing cars here>20:01
MohammadAGoh wait, that says check oil and turns off by itself sometimes20:01
javispedroeither way, it's clearly a prototype20:01
javispedrothey basically tell you to go and find your own way to flash the muC.20:01
ShadowJKYou check oil, oil is fine, and it still says check oil, you tell it to go fuck itself, and it turns itself off?20:01
MohammadAGprobably cause it wipes the floor with oil overnight20:01
MohammadAGShadowJK, so i'm driving down a hill the other day20:02
MohammadAGstressed it a bit20:02
MohammadAGand it turned off20:02
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, not shipping 'til mid October20:02
GeneralAntillesI'm going to go die now.20:03
MohammadAGbrake didn't work anymore, steering locked, it's on drive (yes, it's automatic) and oh... yeah, it's on a steep hill20:03
javispedroGeneralAntilles: that's what TI told you? O.o20:03
MohammadAGebrake helped, though some part inside me cringed20:03
RST38hMohammad: handbrake then?20:03
MohammadAGRST38h, isn't that called an ebrake nowadays?20:04
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RST38hWhat kind of death machine is that?20:04
RST38hMohammad: I am old fashioned20:04
MohammadAGVW Golf20:04
MohammadAGWell, I'd get a BMW if I had the money20:04
ShadowJKMy car's steering and brakes continue to function even if engine is off. Granted, I only get one or two power-assisted braking and after that it's unassisted :-)20:04
RST38hBMWs also get this thing20:05
RST38hNot as murderous, but still20:05
ShadowJKand if I put it in gear and spin up the engine with the clutch I get powersteering back too :-)20:05
MohammadAGbut i'm fine with this, except I desperately need an AUX plug in it20:05
ShadowJK(I have a habbit of coasting through towns with engine off)20:05
ShadowJKin the middle of hte night20:05
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RST38hWearing a mask and a cape?20:06
MohammadAGwas 4 AM the other day with no one in sight, had it going at 190kmph20:06
MohammadAGthat was fun20:06
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MohammadAGanyone know those tape to 3.5mm adapters?20:06
RST38hYou may be better off buying a $100 car radio/cd with an aux20:08
RST38hA lot of them have USB and/or SD card sockets nowadays,too20:08
GeneralAntillesThe tape adaptors are really atrocious.20:09
RST38hwell, they do work, just not very well20:09
MohammadAGwhy didn't some smartass make them for CDs?20:10
MohammadAGumm question20:10
MohammadAGdoes every app on Harmattan have an instace of the status menu?20:10
MohammadAG+n somewhere in there20:10
ShadowJKsince when do vw golf have a check oil light20:10
RST38hit does not?20:10
MohammadAGRST38h, don't have any tape in it20:10
MohammadAGerr, forever?20:10
MohammadAGit has an airbag light too, wonder what means20:11
MohammadAG20:10 RST38h: You may be better off buying a $100 car radio/cd with an aux20:11
MohammadAGi'd do that if my parents didn't mind20:11
RST38hmeans your airbag controller hasbeen borked20:11
RST38hso,pray it does notlight up20:11
MohammadAGnothing to worry about then20:11
RST38hMohammad: WOuldn't they like a new stereo?20:12
ShadowJKno, because new stereos are hard to use20:12
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you at least get some unboxing pictures?20:16
Estel_hello there20:17
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I mean, you gotta be the first person to take unboxing pictures of a MetaWatch with an N950.20:17
MohammadAGRST38h, it's always lit20:17
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MohammadAGRST38h, they listen to CDs, those are so last decade20:17
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MohammadAGanyone used the N950's video cam?20:18
MohammadAGit's awesome20:18
RST38hif your airbag light is always lit, this usually means that either the airbag or its controller are broken20:18
javispedroMohammadAG: MTF apps at least get the statusbar "screenshot" via a shared pixmap then proceed to render it wherever they feel to20:18
RST38hAt least in Hondas and Toyotas20:18
RST38hMohammad: those cheap stereos usually include CD20:18
javispedroGeneralAntilles: hah, I didn't =)20:19
MohammadAGRST38h, point is, they don't mind the stereo in it20:19
GeneralAntillesYou don't even know what you've got.20:19
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* javispedro giggles20:20
javispedrooh, look at the time.20:20
javispedroI should be working =)20:20
MohammadAGso i need a reason to get a new one20:20
MohammadAGoh and new speakers, these suck20:21
MohammadAGwhat happens when it crashes?20:21
MohammadAGYou sir, have fucked me up20:21
MohammadAGor something like that?20:21
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javispedrowell, when a car crashes, airbags deploy. usually.20:21
MohammadAGjavispedro, qml apps use the same mech as mtf20:21
MohammadAGQt apps are different20:22
MohammadAGbut cool, it's just a shared pixmap20:22
MohammadAGthought it was a status area for every app20:22
javispedrothe procedure to "fetch" it is rather complex though20:22
javispedroseemingly the root window has a property which is another window which has the pixmap as property20:22
DocScrutinizerRST38h: (broken) ...or the right seat airbag is on babyseat mode20:22
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, doubt it's that20:23
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DocScrutinizergiven your locale I also doubt it20:23
MohammadAGjavispedro, so it's handled by the compositor?20:24
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DocScrutinizerprobably when you open the controller module, you'll find the loose gears of an old wrist watch and nothing else inside20:24
MohammadAGumm, is replacing car stereos easy?20:24
DocScrutinizerif you got arms with 7 joints20:25
javispedroMohammadAG: I think it's both systemui and compositor -- systemui owns the second window, compositor owns the root one20:25
MohammadAGtechnically, my fingers have 15 joins, my writst has one, my upper arm has another one, and my shoulder has the final joint20:27
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MohammadAGso yeah i have 7+ joints :p20:27
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: what the hell are you talking bout? MW?20:28
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javispedrono, the harmattan statusbar20:28
javispedroMohammadAG started! I promised!20:28
DocScrutinizerI love how MW has just a pixmap that can have a second window for system info (read time, date) superimposed20:30
javispedroquite cheaply done20:31
DocScrutinizerAnd I'll be damned if a mediaplayer widget displayed on that MW and controlled by at least 4 of the 6 buttons isn't the coolest thing since sliced bread20:31
javispedroquite cheaply done too.20:31
javispedrowell, is it known how to control harm's media player?20:32
javispedro(fremantle I know)20:32
DocScrutinizerfsck HARM20:32
DocScrutinizerbuild it on fremantle, when it works bother to port20:32
javispedroactually I'm using qt20:33
DocScrutinizerif that aegis coffin hasn't flopped completely until then20:33
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* javispedro is not so sure about keeping qtgui loaded always as a daemon on fremantle. OTOH, half of the applications already do that on harm..20:35
RST38hbut harmattan is working in a much larger memory pool20:36
RST38h+ it swaps some to gzipped ram20:37
* DocScrutinizer writes an autokick autoresponder on .*[Hh]armattan.*20:38
RST38hHey, hey, don't get excited =)20:38
javispedroharmattanized the dark side of the force is20:39
RST38hruskie:intended userbase won't need any20:39
javispedroRST38h: see how they're being partially serious with their new JS crap20:40
DocScrutinizeractually some particular person made me curse the system architects for no reason, by his proposition that batery savings mode was the method of choice for reducing battery wear of terribly poor written dta traffic hogging apps20:41
javispedroBallmer has probably read about all those CEOs crapping on their own companies, Elop, etc. and decided to follow20:41
* RST38h can guess who it was20:41
RST38hjavispedro: Nah, I doubt anyone will miss plugins20:41
RST38hjavispedro: The last one to go was Flash, and that was mainly for Youtube20:42
javispedroyou're forgetting minigames20:42
ruskieI already don't use any plugins20:42
RST38hjavispedro: You can now do most of these in HTML520:42
javispedrowhen I enter a lab room right after dinner virtually every other computer has a flash games website opened =P20:42
RST38hjavispedro: And if you are going to tell me they will need a rewrite, scroll back to what I said about attention span a couple of hours ago20:42
RST38hBTW, Ballmer has said something more interesting today20:43
javispedrobut but but, the facebook farm thing!20:43
RST38hFacebook is full of cattle as it is, does not need games.20:43
javispedroor is that passé already?20:43
DocScrutinizerfsck flash, fsck JS, back to the basics and shoot all web-designers20:43
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javispedroeither way, they'll eventually allow activex crap for all their real clients20:44
javispedroand the only one damaged from this will be, obviously, theora/webm plugins.20:45
RST38hGoogle is already allowing activex in chromeOS20:45
DocScrutinizerRST38h: *YAWN* now thats new?20:45
RST38hcalling it "native client"20:45
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RST38hDoc: It is the person saying it which is new20:45
javispedronice picture20:45
javispedrothe guy really fits there20:45
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RST38hjavispedro: Actually, it looks like there won't be native development neither for WP nor for Win820:46
RST38hjavispedro: Microsoft is pushing C# everywhere, so unless you are Google or Adobe, you will not be getting native SDK20:46
javispedrothey're pushing JS for Win820:46
javispedrotbh, I can't wait and see how this entirely UI is done and compare the binaries with the Win7 Media Center executables, and check for matches =)20:47
javispedro*"entirely new UI"20:47
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DocScrutinizer"I won't say I'm not saying I love where we are, but I'm very optimistic to where I think we can be," Ballmer said. WTF?! pardon my french20:48
RST38hjavispedro: reports say that XAML will be preferred api for ui20:48
RST38hDoc: that is to throw journos off his tracks20:49
javispedroXAML is something like QML, but you need to attach a language to it20:49
javispedroa imperative one, I mean.20:49
RST38hDoc: An average journo will only parse "love" and "optimistic" from this statement20:49
RST38hjavispedro: C#20:49
* DocScrutinizer shots an evil forkbomb virus into Balmer's wetware20:49
javispedro(or JS ;P )20:50
RST38hor js, yes20:50
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DocScrutinizer~shoot Balmer20:51
* infobot shoots Balmer in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon!20:51
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RST38hMeanwhile: US Postal Service Considers Closing Facilities to Save Money20:52
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RevdKathyBlimey. that's a headache of a statement from Ballmer. Is it lifted from "How to avoid saying anything for business execs"?20:52
RST38hNo, it is his original work20:53
RST38hA classic Ballmer.20:53
RevdKathyoh silly me, yes. It's apple who lift other people's work and pass it off as their own.20:53
DocScrutinizer~factinfo cmd: shoot (.*?)20:54
infobotcmd: shoot (.*?) -- created by Utah_Dave <> at Tue Aug 23 01:50:03 2005 (2214 days); it has been requested 250 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 2s ago.20:54
RST38hAll successful people do. Nobody got successful by working all thetime.20:54
DocScrutinizerremind me to buy Utah Dave a beer whenever we meet20:54
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DocScrutinizer~seen Utah_dave20:55
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infobotutah_dave is currently on #uphpu (2h 31m 56s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 27m 4s, last said: 'morning!'.20:55
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RST38hnot very talkative, is he?20:56
DocScrutinizerwell, like 90% of IRC users20:56
DocScrutinizerhe probably wrote enough when creating all those *awesome* factoids and cmds for ibot20:56
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DocScrutinizer~factinfo cmd: lart (.*?)20:57
infobotcmd: lart (.*?) -- created by [George] <> at Sat Jun  8 19:43:25 2002 (3385 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008.20:57
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DocScrutinizerhah, found sth I forgot completely21:02
infoboti heard lart-tmo-lemming is
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: ^^^ you'll love that :-)21:02
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: anticipating for true the hypothesis it's bme that makes diablo randomly reboot - how would I intercept that and rather rise a notifier or play an alarm?21:21
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: maybe it's better addressed to you ^^^?21:21
javispedrobme dies21:22
javispedroand thus, sw watchdog reboot21:22
DocScrutinizerso tweaking dsmetool -k bme should to the trick?21:22
javispedrofeel free to try =)21:22
javispedroat least my N810 by now reboots so often while charging it is nearly unusable..21:23
DocScrutinizersame here, well the random time range is from 3 times a day to once a month21:23
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DocScrutinizerand I'm *pissed* about that21:24
javispedroit does it like every 5 minutes, decreasing as the battery gets charged. Once charged and unplugged, it never reboots21:25
javispedrowell the official answer is to discard the battery21:25
DocScrutinizerI did that, no change a fresh one21:25
DocScrutinizernot really anyway21:25
DocScrutinizerhard to tell with 5h..40d random period21:26
ShadowJKiirc I switched off some flags with flasher21:26
DocScrutinizerR&D mode no sw-wd21:26
bash`the button on the right of my n900 doesn't unlock/lock the screen anymore :(21:26
DocScrutinizermaybe worth a try21:26
ShadowJKthen I added a while true ; do chroot /mnt/initfs /bin/bme_rx-44 ; done21:27
ShadowJKto force charge21:27
DocScrutinizerbash`: first question: is the switch nrken?21:27
DocScrutinizerbroken even21:27
ShadowJKalas, this made the battery very very hot, so I bought a new one instead21:27
bash`DocScrutinizer: hi, sorry what "nrken" is?21:27
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DocScrutinizera typo ;-D21:28
bash`DocScrutinizer: today isn't working anymore, yesterday it was21:28
ShadowJKon third battery in my N810 actually. Also need to get a third for my N800, but it's kinda hard to find now21:28
bash`I didn't play with it...21:28
ShadowJKnrken = mistyped broken21:28
bash`ShadowJK: never see that :P21:28
ShadowJKb and n are next to eachother, then he just missed o conpletely21:29
bash`yep, understand21:29
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DocScrutinizer[2011-09-15 20:27:15] <DocScrutinizer> bash`: first question: is the switch nrken? [2011-09-15 20:27:20] <DocScrutinizer> broken even21:29
bash`DocScrutinizer: no, it isn't21:30
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DocScrutinizerhmm, so what tells your syslog?21:30
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, as far as I can tell, the abort condition I encountered in diablo bme was something like if (Vbatt > 4500mV) panic();21:30
bash`syslog? does the n900 has logs for this stuff? let me check21:30
ShadowJK'dmesg': [57184.402221] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open21:31
clawi am getting following err : The following package has unmet dependencies : mp-fremantle-community-pr Depends: gstreamer0.10.plugins-bad-extra but is not going to be installed E: Broken Packages21:31
bash`DocScrutinizer: which file should I read?21:32
ShadowJKbash`, type dmesg in an x-terminal21:32
DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:23 IroN900 kernel: [39968.307342] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed21:32
DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:23 IroN900 systemui-tklock[3139]: Method call received from: :1.13, iface:, method: tklock_close21:32
DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:24 IroN900 browser[2128]: GLIB CRITICAL ** hildon-1 - hildon_window_get_is_topmost: assertion `HILDON_IS_WINDOW (self)' failed21:32
DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:24 IroN900 kernel: [39968.869567] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open21:32
DocScrutinizerbash`: tail /var/log/syslog21:33
DocScrutinizeror simply dmesg21:33
ShadowJKsyslog doesn't exist unless you've installed sysklogd etc from tools repo21:33
bash`DocScrutinizer: I was looking for /var/log/syslog but there is none21:33
DocScrutinizersee ^^^ ShadowJK21:33
bash`yes I just read that21:34
bash`(installing anyway)21:34
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DocScrutinizerbash there's exactly two lines in dmesg when you do dmesg immediately after you operated lockswitch:21:35
DocScrutinizer[39968.307342] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed21:35
DocScrutinizer[39968.869567] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open21:35
DocScrutinizeryou see I operated the lockswitch for ~0.5s21:35
DocScrutinizerif your dmesg has no such lines in the last ~10 lines you get, then your switch (or SoC, or kernel) is broken21:36
bash`again, what's SoC?21:36
DocScrutinizerkernel break is unlikely unless you updated it21:36
infobotfrom memory, soc is System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU.  Send Out Cards -  Summer of Code (a google project)  U of U's School of Computing (
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clawi am getting following err : The following package has unmet dependencies : mp-fremantle-community-pr Depends: gstreamer0.10.plugins-bad-extra but is not going to be installed E: Broken Packages21:37
bash`DocScrutinizer: no, I didn't update the kernel21:37
DocScrutinizerbash`: I bet your switch is borked21:37
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DocScrutinizeror mce21:37
DocScrutinizerdepending on whether you got those lines in dmesg or not21:37
javispedrostupid documentation doesn't match the real thing21:38
bash`DocScrutinizer: I'm playing with the switch and reading dmesg but I don't have them21:38
ShadowJKswitch broken, my guess.21:39
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: (abort >4500: PANIC) EEEEK21:39
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bash`ShadowJK: and I cannot fix it I guess...21:39
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DocScrutinizerbash`: depends, either it is just mechanically entangled, or some of the plastic is broken off, or the switch itself is broken or loose21:40
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ShadowJKpress powerbutton twice to lock :P21:40
DocScrutinizeryou can fix each of those, the amount of expertise needed is differing though21:41
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bash`ShadowJK: yep, but it's really annoying to unlock21:41
ShadowJKiirc it's a magnetic switch21:41
bash`DocScrutinizer: so, I could open the N900 and see what's there?21:41
DocScrutinizeryou *could* - if you feel familiar with doing that sort of stuff21:42
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DocScrutinizerthere are delicate ribbon cables and nasty connectors21:42
DocScrutinizernot Joe randomuser's cup of tea21:42
bash`n900 turned off, opening...21:43
DocScrutinizera "lot" of users actually disassembled their N900, some actually managed to reassemble it ;-)21:43
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DocScrutinizerbash`: please read the L1_L2 service manual FIRST!21:44
bash`I'm familiar with laptop hardware, though I never disassembled a phone21:44
jacekowskibash`: sams stuff, just smaller21:44
bash`link somewhere?21:44
DocScrutinizerthe more you'll appreciate there's a "howto" for dismantling N90021:44
bash`nice :D21:45
DocScrutinizerlink ... moment please21:45
bash`thank you!21:45
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you're an animal ;-D21:45
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DocScrutinizerbash`: just take particular care about the flat plastic connector and plug connecting upper (screen) and lower (kbd) half21:48
DocScrutinizerbend or pull it once and it's broken21:48
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bash`DocScrutinizer: ok understand21:49
bash`say me good luck!21:49
DocScrutinizerthe plug is SMT-soldered on the flex cable, and supported from back with a 3rd layer of PCB that seems to have *vias* - those _of course_ break when you slightly bend the whole contraption21:49
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DocScrutinizerI guess using a credit card to unplug the critter is a good idea21:51
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DocScrutinizerbash`: look there:
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* ShadowJK 'd just cope without the button instead of risking entire N90021:54
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DocScrutinizerhmm, depends21:55
DocScrutinizerodds are if you got a weal FPC then it will break eventually anyway21:55
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DocScrutinizerso if you got any kind of warranty yet, or are willing to get a new FPC21:56
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DocScrutinizerand it seems bash` knows his electronics stuff a bit21:57
DocScrutinizerwe warned him, he knows the risks21:57
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DocScrutinizerbash`: anyway do a FULL backup prior to starting that adventure ;-)21:58
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DocScrutinizerand make sure you can log in via ssh over WLAN21:58
DocScrutinizerright after unattended boot21:58
bash`DocScrutinizer: I already started, and....I cannot remove the two TORX+ right now :(21:58
bash`I've to end my adventure for today21:59
* bash` trying to connect the main flex connector will be funny...21:59
DocScrutinizeryou bet it's a full 30min of cheerful joy22:00
* DocScrutinizer wondered how in hell they do that at Nokia22:00
DocScrutinizernevertheless not unplugging it is no option, unplug *early* to protect the cable22:02
bash`ok, all least the phone turn on22:04
DocScrutinizerscreen OK?22:04
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i can disassemble n900 and assemble in 20 minutes22:04
jacekowskiincluding that connector22:04
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: yu're an animal, this doesn't count ;-D22:04
bash`jacekowski: leave me your address for the next time I do this at the next level :P22:04
bash`DocScrutinizer: just a minute, I didn't put the SIM22:05
bash`I just see it turn on..22:05
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I can disassemble and reassemble a Freerunner in 120s, where others need 30min. That's only because I don't care at all to break anything, and I did it just so often22:06
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bash`DocScrutinizer: screen OK22:06
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: anyway a video would be awesome - or, like they say: video or it did't happen :-)22:08
Venemovideo of what?22:08
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DocScrutinizer[2011-09-15 21:04:31] <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i can disassemble n900 and assemble in 20 minutes22:08
dzhofield stripping a Freerunner22:08
RST38hwill it still shoot after assembly though?22:09
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DocScrutinizerI'm always eager to learn from the best22:09
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bash`google+ api are here!! anyone interested in writing a maemo front-end? :)22:16
bash`is that a no? :)22:17
Venemowho the fuck cares about google+?22:17
Venemothey are too late in the social network business anyway.22:17
bash`Venemo: I hope they allows users to customize their profile pages url, and with google blogs integration you use google+ to blog22:18
RST38h"In fact, its not much of a stretch between what happens when a hick or ghetto kid gets a pro sports contract and what happened after 9/11."22:19
RST38hSocial networks? Are they still around?22:20
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bash`Venemo: and I don't know. I don't like fb and I'm using g+ (mainly stuff for geeks but it's still in beta, isn't?) I like it22:21
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Venemobash`, dunno, but I don't care.22:25
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javispedroMohammadAG: you did something with QtMobility and RFCOMM sockets, right?22:28
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, is there any context for that.22:37
GeneralAntillesBecause from here it looks like whoever wrote that wouldn't pass a Turing test.22:37
GeneralAntillesWho's the best dynamic DNS provider these days?22:38
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GeneralAntillesCorsac, do I look that motivated?22:40
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DocScrutinizerdynDNS still ok in my book22:42
DocScrutinizermainly depends on what your router supports ;-)22:42
GeneralAntillesEverything. Tomato firmware22:43
GeneralAntillesDynDNS keeps deleting my accounts.22:43
DocScrutinizer:shrug: go for the best URL then22:43
DocScrutinizerdynDNS deletes accounts rather quickly on inactivity, yeah22:43
DocScrutinizerthe friggin DIR615 here only supports d-link's very own dynamic DNS service. I'm not excited22:45
DocScrutinizerthe also sport their own stratum 2 or sth NTP server22:45
DocScrutinizerweird guys22:45
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bash`DocScrutinizer: I found a screwdriver for the TORXs, I removed them, found the switch broken in 2 parts! :(22:53
bash`I don't have a glue for plastic right now, so I guess there is nothing I can do now22:54
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DocScrutinizerI don't think you can glue the switch. Get a new one and solder it on to the PCB22:59
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DocScrutinizerif the lever broke off there's a minimal chance to implant a hot steel needle into the thermoplast stub, but this rarely ever lasts for long23:00
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DocScrutinizeras the knob usually can not break off the switch's lever as it can't slide down that much, I guess the switch was mechanically defect and blocked prior to the lever breaking off due to that, so glueing it on again won't help anything. Get a fresh one, do a little soldering fancy, profit23:03
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DocScrutinizerbash`: ask next Nokia service center to sell such a switch to you23:04
bash`yes I'll23:05
DocScrutinizeror find one that has same dimensions and contacts, on mouser or digikey23:05
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DocScrutinizeror, if you feel innovative, glue a mini magnet to the sliding knob and solder a micro reed contact in place of the switch - adjust position of reed tube so it closes when you slide down knob and magnet, and opens reliably when you release the knob (NB I dunno for sure if the know itself has a spring)23:10
DocScrutinizerif the KNOB has a...23:10
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GeneralAntillesWell, at least the watch will probably end up on next month's credit card statement.23:30
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GeneralAntillesGotta wonder why MetaWatch didn't open source everything out the gate.23:57
GeneralAntillesGonna have a lotta day-one frustration that wont be going anywhere useful now.23:57
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