IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-09-14

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Sazpaimon	http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/andy-rubin-shows-off-medfield-based-android-phone-at-idf-2011-r/ welp, so much for meego	00:08
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SpeedEvil	meh	00:14
DocScrutinizer	when estel thinks it doesn't help when others look into his project ("two other people also can't seem to find it") then I really don't understand why he's asking here at all.	00:16
DocScrutinizer	:-S	00:16
DocScrutinizer	actually he didn't ask anything	00:17
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DocScrutinizer	ooh he did -> >><Estel_> hello there - could anyone experienced with autobuilder packaging help me?<<	00:18
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DocScrutinizer	answer: probably not, as you're not sharing enough detail, and instead are requesting to ping you	00:19
Estel_	hey, before asking that I've asked few times today with a details :P	00:20
Estel_	then, I asked once like that to not spam here with my question, but, indeed, DocScrutinizer told me thats its better to ask with details again anyway	00:21
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, You've missunderstood me (checked logs)	00:22
Estel_	I would love to show file here, but there is nothing to show, cause I can't seem to find basic info about adding non-source code files to autobuilder (like graphic)	00:23
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Estel_	anyway, there is package in repository - Deskyapplet	00:23
DocScrutinizer	Estel_: place one precise question like "in this project ( http://maemo-Garage-URL ) I expected the icons provided via <insert link to method here> to show up in the *.deb. Ülease tell me what's wrong with the project as they don't shop up when I install the built project	00:23
Estel_	it install, but doesn't work properly due to missing files, which must be placed manually	00:24
Estel_	ok	00:24
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DocScrutinizer	or "please point me to a howto when I want to add a *.jpg for the background of my app to the project"	00:25
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Estel_	understood, will fix my question :)	00:26
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DocScrutinizer	Estel_: I'd guess wallpaper/theme/ringtone packages do not much more than just transporting and installing "binary" data (.png, .mp3)	00:34
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DocScrutinizer	looking into the source of any app of such or similar type might give a clue how to add missing non-sourcecode files to a project	00:35
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Estel_	You're absolutely right. I'm just collecting enough info to ask again smarter way, I'm not even "main" person in this project.	00:45
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer, I've just helped original developer to go through autobuilder at all ;) so, anyway, thanks for pointing out my mistakes in question "building"	00:46
Estel_	Also, it seems dev screwed uploading to garage, or I'm too stupid, cause I can't seem to find sources in .garage page, only .deb.	00:49
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Estel_	I'll probably check that more thoroughly and ask again.	00:50
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ThreeM	wtf? Intel first Smartphone use Android? facepalm	01:15
ruskie	rofl	01:17
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ThreeM	this makes no sense	01:19
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DocScrutinizer	I've not seen much sense making in smartphone business at large lately	01:21
ThreeM	true	01:22
ThreeM	but intel, come on... a few days before they deny the roumor that they will stop meego and now this bad news :(	01:23
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Pali	DocScrutinizer: can you help me with host mode and charging?	01:47
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TiagoTiago	hi	02:01
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TiagoTiago	does anyone have any idea why WizardMounter can mount folders on computer B, computer B can see folders shared by computer A (both running WinXP), but Wizard Mounter says "Connection Refused" when i try to mount a folder from computer A?	02:02
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TiagoTiago	already tried disabling firewall, nothing changed	02:06
ThreeM	security config on windows	02:06
TiagoTiago	those things there with group policies and stuff?	02:07
ThreeM	i think so	02:07
ThreeM	its not wizard mounters fault.	02:08
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TiagoTiago	Any idea why it would be different between the two computers?	02:12
ThreeM	nope sorry	02:12
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TiagoTiago	seems some people had "connection refused" issues at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44188 (WM's thread), but i haven't found anything there that helps me so far :/	02:48
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TiagoTiago	ok, it does work if i mount it via command line, but not via Wizard Mounter	02:55
TiagoTiago	what's the deal?	02:55
Ken-Young	Does anyone know of a PDF viewer with a search feature which will run on the N900?	02:56
zutesmog	strace is documented as being in an strace package, but apt-get is telling me Package strace is not available, but is referred to by another package.	02:57
zutesmog	This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or	02:57
zutesmog	is only available from another source	02:57
zutesmog	E: Package strace has no installation candidate	02:57
zutesmog	Any one know wher strace has ended up ?	02:57
zutesmog	my camera app has just started crashing after 8months, and trying to work out what is going on.	02:58
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nox-	strace is in tools repo	03:00
zutesmog	ahh, missed that bit, thanks	03:00
nox-	http://maemo.org/packages/view/strace/	03:01
SpeedEvil	zutesmog: is filesystem full?	03:01
zutesmog	SppedEvil, no, very empty ;-)	03:01
TiagoTiago	ThreeM: are you still around?	03:02
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TiagoTiago	oh well sighs	03:07
TiagoTiago	cya	03:07
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Estel_	ping Pali	03:14
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Pali	Estel_: pong	03:20
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Estel_	Hey Pali, You requested help with hostmode and charging, but Joerg seems to be away	03:26
Estel_	I've tested it a lot, maybe I can help You?	03:26
Pali	I have problem that sometime it works and sometimes not	03:27
Estel_	You're using Y-cable?	03:27
Pali	no	03:27
Estel_	powered hub?	03:27
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Pali	I'd trying with power hub and without too	03:28
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Pali	and sometimes when I connect hub before bme is stopped it start charging...	03:28
Pali	it is normal?	03:28
Estel_	for charging-able hubs, yes	03:29
Estel_	but, ZYou've said "sometimes"	03:29
Estel_	so, it's not always the case?	03:29
Pali	yes	03:29
Estel_	You know, I got exact same problems, and tested it, so I hope I'm able to help ;)	03:30
Pali	now I connected usb hub, bme is still running	03:30
Pali	but charging does not start	03:30
Estel_	Normally, hubs should separate DC power from uplink	03:30
Estel_	but, many times, design is strange	03:31
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Estel_	My hub act exactly like that. Some time ago I used it for charging.	03:31
Estel_	But it was roulette.	03:31
Estel_	I've measured it with multimeter in many situations...	03:31
Estel_	And it seems that if left off-line for a while, initially, after plugging 5V it provide power to uplink USB	03:32
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Estel_	then, it stop, and on some connections do it, on other power is separated as it should	03:32
Estel_	also, even if power for uplink is present, it may dissapear sudden of nothing.	03:33
Estel_	I've come to conclusion that - ezcept for situation, when You modify HUB to always provide power to uplink...	03:33
Estel_	Y-cable is a must, 100% working solution.	03:33
Estel_	it's relatively easy to mod hub to bypass (flawed) securitylll	03:34
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Estel_	but, I think buying cheap Y-cable is better solution.	03:34
Pali	ok, I will buy Y-cable	03:34
Estel_	Really, I got 0 issues with charging while hostmode, since I'm using that.	03:35
Pali	with bug I have other problem	03:35
Estel_	?	03:35
Pali	sometimes it work in high speed mode and sometimes not	03:35
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Pali	now I switched to full and lsusb show me it	03:36
Estel_	Yea, sometimes it detect "false" info about full-speed device, instead of high speed one, right?	03:36
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Pali	i do not know if hub is high or full speed	03:36
Pali	but sometimes it works under high and sometimes in full	03:37
Estel_	if it works "sometimes" high apeed, it's high apeed.	03:37
Pali	and i do not know which mode i should use	03:37
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Estel_	Yea, I've reported this issue on HEN thread.	03:37
Estel_	You know, the funniest part is that, when You check dmesg	03:38
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Estel_	it appears that hostmode "think" about full speed device before You physically attach it	03:38
Pali	kernel cannot detect proper mode?	03:39
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Estel_	I have no idea, it seems that it assume there is device, before actually there is one.	03:39
Estel_	and pop-up error, as soonas You choose high-speed	03:39
Estel_	so, it reject to process further	03:39
Estel_	of course if it's saame issue I was reporting.	03:40
Estel_	Maybe Your hub is just strange ;)	03:40
Estel_	but, I think Your symptoms may be same.	03:40
Estel_	I call it unoficially "generic hostmode error".	03:40
Pali	ok, so this problem is normal	03:41
Estel_	another problem is that something deny to enter into booston mode, if switched on and off too many times in short period.	03:41
Estel_	Booston sxript proceed without problems	03:41
Estel_	but, dmesg doesnt indicate that tw4030_usb actually is in vboost state.	03:42
Pali	which booston script should I use? from h-e-n package or from http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston ?	03:42
Estel_	this way, without external powering, You can't enumerate device at all (errors, device not accepting address etc and must wait for a while.	03:42
Estel_	better one and actually working was posted by joerg, i think You're reffering to it.	03:43
Pali	yes	03:43
Estel_	initially, it contained typos, but joerg posted update.	03:43
Estel_	Yea, this one is ok.	03:43
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Pali	i see that this script stopping and starting bme	03:44
Estel_	By the way, led pattern Vboost work for You?	03:44
Pali	Yes	03:44
Pali	I have modified with led editor to constant blue	03:44
Estel_	yea, according to DocScrutinizer, this scipt makes boostoff obsolete	03:44
Estel_	damn, I also modified with led editor, and it totally doesn't work for m e	03:45
Estel_	DocScrutinizer also got it working, I have no idea why LED pattern is ignored in my case.	03:45
Estel_	Could You paste here Your pattern entry?	03:45
Pali	are you using this pattern http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1086924#post1086924 ?	03:45
Pali	if yes, you should change it from ...35;4;0;... to 35;5;0;	03:47
Estel_	yea...	03:47
Pali	I'm using this: PatternVboost=35;5;0;Rb;9d80403f7e007e000000;9d800000	03:47
Estel_	the one i posted	03:48
Pali	second number should be 5 (active pattern always)	03:48
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Estel_	thanks, will test it, but why the heck it must be set to "always show pattern, even if LED disabled" = mode 5?!	03:49
Estel_	hah, I could never think about that, thanks.	03:49
Pali	when using new booston script, what is correct step to start host mode? (Should I stop bme manually or not?)	03:50
Pali	echo hostf > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode ; ./booston & ; echo F > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc	03:51
Pali	is this enought?	03:51
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Estel_	to be honest, I'm still using GUI for it, so if You've used method that worked before.	03:52
Estel_	it should work also now	03:52
Pali	ok	03:52
Estel_	if booston new edition stop bme, I think You may ommit that. not tested, though.	03:52
Estel_	hey, I've changed pattern according to Your info	03:53
Estel_	and still nothing	03:53
Estel_	Do You remeber if mce.ini updates must be followed by reboot?	03:53
Pali	check line with LEDPatterns=	03:53
Pali	you should have value PatternVboost separated by ;	03:54
Estel_	(I've added pattern manually, but edited in LLED Pattern editor, it appear there fine)	03:54
Pali	and you must restart mce (stop mce && start mce)	03:54
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Estel_	You're right, I omitted adding it to LEDPatterns=	03:56
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Estel_	yea, that worked! Thanks a lot Pali	04:06
Estel_	by the way, it doesn't need to be mode 5	04:06
Pali	ok	04:06
Estel_	it was only a matter of missing value in LEDPatterns	04:06
Pali	your pattern does not worked for me	04:06
Pali	but after change to 5, it stared working...	04:07
Estel_	0_o why? what symptoms?	04:07
Estel_	hm	04:07
Estel_	I started with 5, and out of curiosity, changed it to 3, restarted mce...	04:07
Estel_	it seems working fine	04:07
Pali	ok	04:08
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Estel_	btw there are funny errors, when You start hostmode quickly after charging, before fuel gauge updates (5 second interval)	04:08
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Estel_	I got "battery overpowered, WFTF are You doing?!" seen that before inside code	04:08
Estel_	just because power gauge reported ~700 mA current, and booston doesn't care if it's charging or discharging	04:09
Estel_	I wonder, if it only fails during startup	04:09
Pali	do you know if somebody is still working on hostmode (fixing these bugs)?	04:09
Estel_	I wonder, if it only fails during startup, or heavy charging can cause it too.	04:10
Estel_	Yea, DocScrutinizer is working on it.	04:10
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Estel_	Ho ever, MAG doesn't have time for rele+e (and GUI) right now	04:10
Estel_	You know, overprojected a little.	04:11
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ellise	test	04:18
ellise	may i know, whats channel of this	04:19
Estel_	ellise, hm?	04:19
Estel_	#maemo	04:20
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* SpeedEvil guesses ellise is a chatbot.		04:22
Estel_	I preffer our bot	04:23
Estel_	~ping	04:23
infobot	~pong	04:23
Estel_	~hostmode	04:23
infobot	from memory, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging	04:23
ellise	chat bot ???	04:24
Estel_	~hostmode-charging	04:24
infobot	[hostmode-powered] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203	04:24
Estel_	we should get one as assistant on TMO	04:24
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Estel_	;)	04:25
Estel_	~MAG	04:25
Estel_	but, even he doesnt remember everything, heh	04:25
Estel_	~Nokia	04:25
infobot	nokia is, like, a cellphone company from Finland.	04:25
Estel_	I was hoping for more spicy explanation ;)	04:26
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ultra420	ls	04:41
ultra420	hello...	04:41
ultra420	helloooooo...	04:41
ultra420	anyboy here now..	04:41
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ultra420	it there is someone here..type something plz..	04:42
ellise	i'm here	04:42
ultra420	hii dear ellise.whould you help me with my N900 please	04:44
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ultra420	it is crashed again and again...i do flash the N900 for several times and it still happen	04:44
ultra420	i type dmesg,and then i found that : I/O error on mmcblk0p2	04:44
ultra420	but i use badblocks to scan the memory,no bad blocks exist.why...	04:45
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ellise	u can ask the others	04:48
ellise	sorry i must go	04:49
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Sicelo	DocScrutinizer: i'm looking at the possibility to make myself a cable for hostmode on the N900. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29	11:26
DocScrutinizer	yeah	11:26
Sicelo	unfortunately the schematic isn't there anymore.. http://om.quatrox.org/om/	11:27
DocScrutinizer	I think it's not really worth the effort, as simple good cheap Y-cables are available everywhere, and all it needs in addition to this is a F-F-adapter	11:27
ildar	DocScrutinizer: can show a pic?	11:29
Sicelo	i already have F-F, but Y-cables proving hard to find here :P	11:29
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Sicelo	will keep trying though	11:29
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DocScrutinizer	external HDD usually come with a Y-cable, when they are 3.5" type	11:35
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DocScrutinizer	most have a mini-B-USB plug, so you'll also need an adapter mini->micro	11:35
crashanddie	interesting, reuters classifies news about political turmoil in China as "us-china-internet"	11:37
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DocScrutinizer	Sicelo: modding a cheap USB hub is simple	11:39
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer crashanddie Sicelo moo	11:47
crashanddie	moo	11:48
chem\|st	ltns	11:48
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chem\|st	~cssu	11:53
infobot	somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	11:53
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chem\|st	does anyone know who hacks/maintains the camUI (lazy to ask... I know)	11:55
archl	nope...	11:55
ildar	wassa camui?	11:56
ildar	can't find anything	11:57
psycho_oreos	osso-camera's user interface :p	11:57
ildar	ÁÒÒ	11:58
ildar	ahhh	11:58
ildar	IC	11:58
mfridh	I'm having an issue with the headset and/or connector. it works when playing music but when making a phone call it doesn't switch over to using the headset	11:59
mfridh	anyone experienced something similar?	11:59
mfridh	d'oh... and it's Nokia N900	11:59
ildar	and firmware?	11:59
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ildar	I use headphones without any trouble	12:00
mfridh	I used to as well	12:00
cehteh	same here	12:00
mfridh	but no longer.	12:00
cehteh	well normal headphone, not headset	12:00
psycho_oreos	it could be an issue with the audio connector port. I think there were some t.m.o. threads about it when N900 can sometimes detect the plugged in device is either a headset or just a headphone	12:00
cehteh	that may make a difference (microphone on headset) maybe its misdetected	12:00
chem\|st	mfridh: headset or earplugs?	12:00
chem\|st	ah ok as both work for me	12:01
mfridh	the standard earplug headset which came with my N900	12:01
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cehteh	i have sometimes problems that it misdetects the thing plugged in when you plug it in too slowly	12:01
mfridh	it's a headset in terms of it having a mic	12:01
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cehteh	rarely it things that it wants to activate tvout then which gives some ugly noise	12:01
mfridh	cehteh: when playing music it's a bit wobbly... it can miss the plug-in if I plug too fast	12:01
RST38h	Moo, gentlemen. What is cooking today?	12:02
chem\|st	cehteh: +1 but then just the mic is not working and it uses the earphones for output and the bulk-mic for input	12:02
psycho_oreos	mfridh, have you read this thread? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53399	12:02
chem\|st	RST38h: moo	12:02
psycho_oreos	RST38h, moo	12:02
cehteh	yes thats what i do very often, just headphones and device mic	12:02
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mfridh	psycho_oreos: no, will do.	12:02
chem\|st	mfridh: we got it that it is the retail nokia-headset	12:02
psycho_oreos	mfridh, that's one prime example, but I'm sure there's plenty others floating around	12:03
psycho_oreos	curious to know, what are both of yours (mfridh && chem\|st) hw revision?	12:03
chem\|st	mfridh: one chance is dirty connectors, both onboard or plug itself	12:03
chem\|st	psycho_oreos: I think mine was the second	12:04
mfridh	I really have to ease it in to get it working	12:04
psycho_oreos	chem\|st, I meant board revision :) i.e. cat /proc/cpuinfo	12:04
mfridh	mostly it fails to detect it (playing music)	12:05
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chem\|st	3	12:05
chem\|st	so second shipped	12:05
mfridh	gah, my phone crashed	12:05
mfridh	but I think I just glanced at "rev 3" from cpuinfpo	12:05
chem\|st	ah the 2101 you mean	12:05
psycho_oreos	chem\|st, yes.. I was about to ignore you lol	12:06
chem\|st	mfridh: he meant the board	12:06
chem\|st	the bottom number	12:06
psycho_oreos	yeah the last line.. bah	12:06
mfridh	i couldn't read that far before the phone crashed :) but i'm rebooting	12:06
chem\|st	ouch...	12:06
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psycho_oreos	you could also see the info when you use flasher and when you enable R&D mode, at nolo screen	12:06
psycho_oreos	seems like more issues with lower revision numbers.. dunno if mine suffers the same fate	12:07
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mfridh	Revision 2104	12:07
chem\|st	psycho_oreos: what are the different revisions? as 2101 is the one from spring 2009 afair	12:07
chem\|st	psycho_oreos: I mean the time frames	12:07
psycho_oreos	chem\|st, I wouldn't have a clue :) I'm just personally surveying hw revision numbers from various hw faults	12:08
chem\|st	psycho_oreos: true	12:08
psycho_oreos	both of my N900 here have hw revision 2204	12:08
mfridh	dmesg said "headphone connected"	12:09
mfridh	still, it doesn't output in there when i call!	12:09
chem\|st	would be nice to know which digit means what as there seriously were no 100 baord revisions	12:09
mfridh	seems like a soft error	12:09
chem\|st	mfridh: do you see the icon?	12:09
psycho_oreos	also I hardly use wired audio cable. Almost all of the time I use bluetooth headset	12:09
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mfridh	chem\|st: no icon in the activity field	12:11
psycho_oreos	chem\|st, heh only nokia has that info, I think someone asked about it on one t.m.o. thread (notably I think the thread was about the hw revision numbers that nokia had produced for N900). Unfortunately that question fell on deaf ears	12:11
chem\|st	mfridh: then pulse is not switched to it	12:11
psycho_oreos	and flasher would say how many hw revisions for N900, definitely not 100 or 50 either.. maybe 15 I'd say at most	12:12
mfridh	chem\|st: anything I can do about it?	12:12
mfridh	perhaps it's further down this maemo thread...	12:12
chem\|st	I know that >2000 is boards for wholesale	12:12
chem\|st	mfridh: disconnect reconnect	12:13
chem\|st	mfridh: but a crashing device within xterm...	12:13
psycho_oreos	maybe clean the audio port with q-tip that's been lightly dabbed in metholated spirits? shrugs	12:13
chem\|st	mfridh: what is your firmware version?	12:13
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mfridh	there's a headphone icon when I connect a standard pair of earplugs	12:13
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chem\|st	mfridh: maybe the headset is borked	12:14
chem\|st	and not your device	12:14
chem\|st	have you tried another headset	12:14
psycho_oreos	chem\|st, you mean hw revision number above 2000? if so I think all N900 had hw version above 2000.. I also think that each `groups' of hw revision numbers are reserved for each NIT versions (e,g, rev 1101 maybe for N800).. hmm I should double-check this	12:15
mfridh	chem\|st: the only headset I have around is an apple one, there's just alot of static when I connect it	12:16
mfridh	it detects connection in dmesg, but no icon	12:16
psycho_oreos	the icon iinm is only shown if the detected audio device is actually a headset	12:16
mfridh	chem\|st: Firmware Version 20.2010.36-2	12:17
Sicelo	~iinm	12:17
mfridh	chem\|st: it crashed while playing music via Media Player and doing cat /proc/cpuinfo in xterm	12:18
mfridh	regarding the crash earlier	12:18
psycho_oreos	Sicelo, if I'm not mistaken	12:19
Sicelo	thanks :)	12:19
Sicelo	~iirc	12:19
infobot	well, iirc is "if I recall correctly"	12:19
psycho_oreos	mfridh, interesting	12:19
psycho_oreos	Sicelo, nw	12:19
mfridh	psycho_oreos: there's mention in that headphone thread you linked about a "white line" being cut inside the headphone outlet	12:19
psycho_oreos	infobot, iinm is if I'm not mistaken	12:20
infobot	okay, psycho_oreos	12:20
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psycho_oreos	~iinm	12:20
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, iinm is if I'm not mistaken	12:20
Sicelo	:)	12:20
mfridh	... Well for one thing, the white line was cut when I opened it up. I think that is the only issue, and the reason is because the white line was given absolutely no give. So any tug or pull on the cable will result in the whiteline dislodging from its connection point...	12:20
mfridh	"It was exactly same for me - white line was cut. After little soldering job my headset is working like new :-) "	12:21
mfridh	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=748212&postcount=36	12:21
mfridh	wonder if that's it....	12:21
mfridh	if that could make a standard headphone work but a headset not work	12:21
mfridh	headset (combined mic/headphone)	12:21
* cehteh thinks the first thing he done when receiving the n900 was dumping the earplugs into the trashbin :P		12:22
Sicelo	static when connecting earphones suggests a plug not fitting correctly. my original headset has static when i use it on laptop, but none on any others. of course, other earphones work fine on the laptop	12:22
psycho_oreos	mfridh, I can't vouch for the correct-ness of tht thread :) but you did say before that you tried plugging in ipod/iphone audio cable (headset?), if that made lots of static noise but did produce an icon in N900 then that might not be the issue	12:22
psycho_oreos	static could also mean poor connectivity :)	12:23
Sicelo	yeah, actually meant it that way psycho_oreos :p	12:24
mfridh	psycho_oreos: no it did NOT produce an icon either	12:24
chem\|st	cehteh: I got some sennheiser...	12:24
mfridh	so conclusion right now: headset is detected in dmesg but there's no icon. headphone plug works perfect.	12:24
psycho_oreos	Sicelo, lol my bad	12:25
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psycho_oreos	mfridh, ahh ok, weird	12:25
chem\|st	mfridh: try the headset on your ipod	12:27
psycho_oreos	chem\|st, my bad I counted all the hw revisions for N900 according to the info dumped from flasher when it came to reading stuff from the bin file. According to all those numbers, it adds up to 76 hw revisions.. realistically I do not know if those numbers are truly hw revision numbers as I have yet to hear owners with hw rev: 2610 (which appears to be the last set of number for hw rev I think).	12:27
chem\|st	keen suggestion, hw-rev is nothing but the production series	12:28
chem\|st	second digit is the series, last is the change in solder	12:29
psycho_oreos	I'm guessing they have hw rev up to 2610 could be placeholder for N900 fixes going up to that number and I personally believe there would hardly be anyone would have anywhere near 2217	12:29
psycho_oreos	so in the case of 2101, series is 1 and that solder part is also 1? :)	12:30
chem\|st	or another dome sheet...	12:30
psycho_oreos	shrugs	12:30
chem\|st	was there 20xx?	12:30
psycho_oreos	they could be the pre-production series.. i.e. the test devices	12:31
chem\|st	18 or 19 was the preproduction devices on summit	12:31
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psycho_oreos	o.O so there were 18xx and 19xx for N900? interesting.. they don't have their hw rev entries for the latest fw (area code 203, probably NMEA release)	12:32
chem\|st	could be board revision 2 - series 2 for the first two digits	12:32
psycho_oreos	ahh	12:32
chem\|st	likely to use 4 digits for series tracking	12:33
chem\|st	mayor series minor series	12:34
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chem\|st	speculations all over the place again	12:35
psycho_oreos	you can thank nokia for that ;)	12:35
psycho_oreos	leaving the community in a disarray of confusion, no further commitments to community, no detailed explanation of how their maemo series actually works, etc	12:36
psycho_oreos	fyi: http://pastebin.com/9nJ6n2FM	12:36
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psycho_oreos	all those `valid for:' entries I'm assuming they are hw rev.	12:37
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chem\|st	that would mean they had some serious changes	12:38
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psycho_oreos	N800 fw info: http://pastebin.com/XSYBizC3; N810 fw info: http://pastebin.com/ADVpGBse	12:41
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psycho_oreos	770 never had hw rev it seems.. and with the information from N800, N810 combined.. there's a gap in between 18xx,19xx hw rev which nokia used on N900 at the summit.. interesting	12:43
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DocScrutinizer	mfridh: when your headset's pushbutton is stuck or broken, it will short the 3rd contact of plug to 4th/sleeve always, thus the headset "looks like" a headphone. Phonecalls aren't supposed to route to headphones I guess (though I never tried it)	12:49
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: nope	12:50
chem\|st	normal headphones work for calls	12:51
chem\|st	but a shortcut might be one reason	12:51
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chem\|st	it gets detected but sys not changed to headset-available	12:51
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jpinx	I recently acquired a cheap broken n900 and fixed it (new screen) all looks ok but it refuses to dial out *121# and similar numbers (my network balance query, credit top-up, etc use that style on number) anyone got any clues how to fix that?	12:54
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DocScrutinizer	broken wire on mic (3rd pin) would lead to unpleasant effects as well, it either detects the hs as AV cable or not at all	12:54
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DocScrutinizer	jpinx: reflash	12:55
jpinx	bummer :(	12:55
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SpeedEvil	err - starhash?	12:56
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chem\|st	SpeedEvil: don't... we like people to reflash^^	12:57
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: USSD supposed to work - even without *# - on PR1.2+	12:57
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SpeedEvil	ah	12:58
chem\|st	even in earlier versions you could activate it via config edit	12:58
SpeedEvil	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAoC818Mxy4&feature=feedu - on low power mono displays	12:58
SpeedEvil	(like the metawatch)	12:58
jpinx	also -- what's the trick to stop auto-rotate of the phone application?	12:59
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scoobertron	it is an option in the phone app itself.	12:59
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scoobertron	to lock it to portrait	12:59
jiero	hello, I get the basic theme.xml at /usr/share/themes/Default/matchbox/ , but cannot find a way to modify the left-corner button into a circle :D	12:59
jpinx	scoobertron: I want to lock to landscape ;)	13:00
ildar	jpinx: don't reflash	13:01
ildar	it wont help	13:01
ildar	use	13:01
scoobertron	jpinx: interesting option, then I am not sure. Assuming the turning control is a gconf setting, it may accept more values - i.e. portrait, landscape and off - but that is just speculation	13:02
ildar	apt-get install ussd-widget	13:02
hiemanshu	well CSSU has an option to be able to turn it off	13:02
DocScrutinizer	ildar: stop advising obsolete BS please	13:03
* jpinx ssh's into the device to see if gconf does anything		13:03
ildar	DocScrutinizer: I say reflasing wont fix USSD	13:03
DocScrutinizer	I say stop caliming nonsense	13:04
DocScrutinizer	USSD is officially fixed since PR1.3 latest, iirc even since PR1.2	13:04
DocScrutinizer	so yes, reflashing to PR1.0 for sure won't fix USSD	13:05
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ildar	RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin . USSD doesn't work	13:05
ildar	oops	13:06
hiemanshu	USSD works for me	13:06
ildar	hey, it worked!	13:06
ildar	first time!	13:06
ildar	:)	13:06
ildar	sorry for the mess	13:06
DocScrutinizer	jpinx: I got 3 options in dialer menu "screen rotation": auto \| portrait \| landscape	13:06
jpinx	DocScrutinizer: is there not an up/date/grade rather than reflash?	13:06
DocScrutinizer	not really recommended	13:07
jpinx	I think this n900 must have an old system	13:07
ildar	jpinx: there are, but reflash is the best	13:07
ildar	most stable etc.	13:07
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scoobertron	jpinx: ok, now I feel bad sending you in search of gconf keys - I havn't looked at that menu for so long I didn't realise it was in the menu	13:08
DocScrutinizer	it's been way too long since PR1.3 and you seem to have a pre-PR1.2 system. SSU Upgrade across several revisions doesn't usually work great	13:08
jpinx	ok DocScrutinizer - I hear you	13:09
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DocScrutinizer	scoobertron: in PR1.2 (or pre-CSSU, dunno) it only has auto and portrait, no landscape option	13:09
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DocScrutinizer	(I don't think though it got tweaked in CSSU, so probably is a new feature as of PR1.3)	13:16
DocScrutinizer	( i can't check as I have no plain clean Pr1.3 system here)	13:16
DocScrutinizer	jpinx: you could check (and post here) your system's version as of settings->about_product	13:17
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DocScrutinizer	the "Version: xxxxx" there	13:18
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DocScrutinizer	st like 5.2012.42-3	13:20
jpinx	Version: 3.2010.02-8.003 ;)	13:20
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DocScrutinizer	:nod:	13:20
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jpinx	looks like this one has never been maintained -- just used as a phone till the guy broke the screen	13:21
DocScrutinizer	I'm not quite sure if that's PR1.1.1 or PR1.2	13:21
DocScrutinizer	and it's locale version 003	13:22
jpinx	where's that -- I bought it in NZ	13:22
DocScrutinizer	I suggest you usually go for MR0 global version	13:22
sulx	hmm	13:23
DocScrutinizer	~flashing	13:23
infobot	i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	13:23
* jpinx has to go out for a few hours - maybe try reflashing tonight		13:24
sulx	Trying to upgrade CSSU but it says that it depends on hildon-desktop 2.2.142-16 but *-13 is going to be installed...any idea how to trace the problem?	13:24
zutesmog	My camera starting failing to start, and am trying to debug. camera-ui.launch fails immediately with a sigsegv, strace on camera-ui gets as far as reading from a socket, nothing obvious there.	13:24
zutesmog	Any one got any suggestions	13:24
jpinx	zutesmog: did you install power-kernel?	13:25
zutesmog	I am running power kernel but have been for 8 months or so without problems,	13:25
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zutesmog	I used the camera only a few days ago.	13:26
jpinx	zutesmog: the old bug was fixed, but I can not get the cam to work with power-kernel - I gave up ;)	13:26
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zutesmog	I have been using fcam and normal camera all the time, when I launch the normal camera, it comes the control display comes up, then disappears and a message "operation failed"	13:27
zutesmog	nothing in dmesg	13:27
zutesmog	I am not sure I am launching camera from the command line correctly, if I could work out how to do that, I think strace would help a lot.	13:28
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DocScrutinizer	strace -f	13:34
DocScrutinizer	(followw forks)	13:34
zutesmog	DocScrutinizer: yep tried that on camera-ui	13:34
DocScrutinizer	camera-ui is preloaded on boot time afaik	13:34
zutesmog	no UI is shown and it's sitting reading on a domain socket	13:35
DocScrutinizer	you need to ps\|grep camera, then attach strace -f -p <pid-of-camera-ui>	13:35
zutesmog	if I watch porcess when I start the camera app, I see /usr/bin/camera-ui started	13:35
zutesmog	but it doesn't hang around long enough ;-(	13:36
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# ps ax\|grep camer	13:36
DocScrutinizer	1618 user 51416 S /usr/bin/camera-ui	13:36
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zutesmog	oops your right	13:36
DocScrutinizer	no camera "started" on that device, the process gets started on boottime	13:36
zutesmog	will try that	13:36
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# strace -f -p `pidof camera-ui`	13:38
DocScrutinizer	Process 1688 attached with 3 threads - interrupt to quit	13:38
DocScrutinizer	[pid 1688] restart_syscall(<... resuming interrupted call ...> <unfinished ...>	13:38
DocScrutinizer	[pid 1649] restart_syscall(<... resuming interrupted call ...> <unfinished ...>	13:38
mfridh	DocScrutinizer: aha, that's a valid theory I guess, about the pushbutton being stuck or broken. Thanks, will look into it.	13:39
DocScrutinizer	yw	13:39
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DocScrutinizer	come back reporting please	13:39
chem\|st	sulx: apt-get or ham	13:40
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Sicelo	to disturb a little: i am using h-e-n with the latest booston script. connecting an externally powered hub (not for charging) i always get VBUS OVERVOLTAGE - You just fried your N900. at least the port is still fine :) any ideas?	13:43
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Sicelo	i am connecting the hub to N900 soon after i turn VBoost On	13:48
DocScrutinizer	Sicelo: this indicates your externally powered hub feeds back a somewhat too high voltage to the N900 USB port	13:52
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DocScrutinizer	Sicelo: I had to look up in bq24150 datasheet what exactla VBUS overvoltage means, I guess it gets triggered on >6V or sth	13:53
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Sicelo	yay! thanks. good thing hub isn't mine.	13:54
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DocScrutinizer	Sicelo: keep polling the booston file on cloud-7, I'm currently about to edit and upload new versions on a >once-per-day basis	13:56
SpeedEvil	VBUS overvoltage and undervoltage thresholds vary some per chip.	13:58
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SpeedEvil	It's a pity in a way that undervoltage isn't reliably 3V or so, as you could run it from a dumb li-ion cell. But overvoltage indication does not mean it will have damaged the phone - there is a range of overvoltage which is 'safe'	13:59
SpeedEvil	IIRC ~6.5V will not damage the chip.	13:59
SpeedEvil	But it may display overvoltage at 5.8	13:59
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SpeedEvil	But it's been a while since I looked at it, and of course, you may get lucky, and your chip is fine to 7.5	14:00
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: I think ABS MAX ratings are way higher than "recommended operating conditions" which VBUS-OV is based on	14:01
SpeedEvil	ABS max is ~7 I think	14:01
SpeedEvil	But it's been a while since I read it	14:02
DocScrutinizer	VBUS ABS MAX -0.3 .. 20 V	14:04
DocScrutinizer	(3) The bq24150/1 family can withstand up to 10.6 V continuously and 20 V for a maximum of 432 hours.	14:04
DocScrutinizer	ABS MAX for other chips' pins connected to VBUS is way lower though	14:05
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DocScrutinizer	recomended operating conditins: VBUS Supply voltage, VBUS min:4 max:6 Volt	14:06
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DocScrutinizer	(1) The inherent switching noise voltage spikes should not exceed the absolute maximum rating on either the BOOST or SW pins. A tight layout minimizes switching noise.	14:07
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DocScrutinizer	VBUS(OVP) Overvoltage protection threshold for boost (VBUS pin) Threshold over VBUS to turn off converter during boost min:5.8 nominal:6 max:6.2 V	14:11
DocScrutinizer	seems my 6V nominal for VBUS-OV Error was correct	14:12
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: Ah	14:21
SpeedEvil	Oooh.	14:21
* SpeedEvil wonders if he's seen a n900 which got overvoltaged lots		14:21
SpeedEvil	and then the USB port ripped off	14:22
SpeedEvil	GAIA was not noticing vbus	14:22
DocScrutinizer	btw: V(OVP-IN) Input \| VBUS OVP threshold voltage \| Threshold over VBUS to turn off converter during charge: 6.3 6.5 6.7 V	14:22
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: iirc GAIA vbus detect pin ABS MAX was something insane like 7V or sth	14:23
DocScrutinizer	yep	14:23
DocScrutinizer	I'm not going to open the twl4030 user manual now, not enough free RAM ;-P	14:24
SpeedEvil	:)	14:25
DocScrutinizer	so I leave it up to you to check that friggin GAIA chip's ABS MAX for vbus detect pin	14:25
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DocScrutinizer	:nod: N4200:R8 GAIA twl4030 VBUS pin directly connected to VBUS bus, no series R, no tranzorbs, no dedicated clamp diodes... nuttin	14:28
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zutesmog	DocScrutinizer: been looking at strace output for camera-ui. Every things looks to be ok (ie no obvious failed opens, etc...) the last interesting thing it does, query ioctl on /dev/video0, ioctl(25, VIDIOC_QUERYCAP or VT_OPENQRY, 0x228210) = 0 then creates a domain socket /var/tmp/sapwood-:0.0 does some reading and writing to a couple of sockets then shuts the whole group down.	14:30
DocScrutinizer	hmmm	14:31
zutesmog	I do remember the last time I used the camera it was in video mode.	14:31
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zutesmog	any idea where it stores the state of the camera choice (video or still) ? I might try resetting it to still and see if it behaves differently.	14:32
zutesmog	Though bless and fcam also both fail.	14:32
zutesmog	unless the ioctl on the /dev/video is for the viewfinder.	14:33
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zutesmog	ok, something more useful. Tried mbarcode from the command line and got this	14:38
zutesmog	GST error: v4l2camsrc_calls.c(694): gst_v4l2camsrc_open (): /GstPipeline:test-camera/GstV4l2CamSrc:camera_src:	14:38
zutesmog	Capabilities: 0x0	14:38
zutesmog	Aborted	14:38
zutesmog	and going back to the strace the ioctl on /dev/video0 was ioctl(25, VIDIOC_QUERYCAP or VT_OPENQRY, 0x228210) = 0	14:40
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zutesmog	need to go hunting to see what valid ioctl call on /dev/video0 might return. I hope this doesn't mean my camera is fried ;-(	14:41
DocScrutinizer	I suggest reinstalling the matching kernel drivers for camera	14:43
MohammadAG	anyone know how to monitor dbus or something to find out if a process crashes starts?	14:43
MohammadAG	I need to start recovery-terminal when hildon-desktop crashes	14:43
MohammadAG	but not with script methods	14:43
DocScrutinizer	crashes starts?	14:43
MohammadAG	after hildon-desktop crashes 3 times, recovery-terminal would start	14:44
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: that's difficult, I mentioned that yesterday(?)	14:44
zutesmog	DocScrutinizer: yeah I think I will, fcamera gives me FCam Error: VIDIOC_S_CTRL: Invalid argument	14:44
zutesmog	FCam Error: V4L2Sensor: Can't acquire a frame when not streaming	14:44
MohammadAG	you did?	14:44
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DocScrutinizer	yes, I did	14:44
DocScrutinizer	I said sth like "moh: we might need to patch dsmetool for that"	14:45
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I'm sure dbus monitoring is pointless here	14:46
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MohammadAG	need to check if this happens http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1037567&postcount=8	14:47
DocScrutinizer	h-d won't tell from grave "I died"	14:47
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DocScrutinizer	I doubt dsmetool is telling anything except maybe "prepare for doom everybody, I'm going to reboot the system now"	14:47
DocScrutinizer	which obviously is a bit late ;-D	14:47
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, 16.8 has your suggestion	14:48
DocScrutinizer	?	14:48
MohammadAG	dsmetool gives up rather than rebooting	14:48
DocScrutinizer	yeah, seen it	14:48
DocScrutinizer	but cranking up a recue-shell in this case it non-trivial - alas	14:49
DocScrutinizer	:-S	14:49
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DocScrutinizer	but cranking up a rescue-shell in this case is non-trivial - alas	14:49
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you could write a daemon that polls for h-d being alive every 5 seconds (maybe only when screen unlocked) and start the rescue-shell when h-d seems to be gone for 2 consecutive polls	14:51
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DocScrutinizer	I actually see no better way (except from augmenting dsmetool)	14:51
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DocScrutinizer	or... hmm... you could "poll" only on kbd-slider-opens	14:52
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DocScrutinizer	you can tell about that even easily from dbus, then check if h-d is around and if it is just abort; else: crank up rescue-shell	14:53
DocScrutinizer	s/even /event /	14:53
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: you can tell about that event easily from dbus, then check if h-d is around and if it is just abort; else: crank up rescue-shell	14:53
MohammadAG	let me check if dbus sends something about hildon-desktop	14:54
MohammadAG	if it starts 3 times consecutively, obviously it's not staying up	14:54
DocScrutinizer	what shall it send?	14:54
MohammadAG	NameOwnerChanged	14:54
MohammadAG	see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1037567&postcount=8	14:55
DocScrutinizer	hmm, fair enough, start rescue-shell poll on third start of h-d, and keep polling for err 10s? finish with quit when h-d still there after 10s, else start rescue-shell	14:56
MohammadAG	sounds sane	14:56
MohammadAG	needs a daemon	14:56
MohammadAG	anyone up for writing a C one? or should I use Qt?	14:56
DocScrutinizer	meh, dbus-scripting	14:56
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DocScrutinizer	I'd love the idea of just starting the rescue-shell when there's no h-d on slide-open the hwkbd	14:58
DocScrutinizer	WAY simpler, WAY cleaner	14:58
DocScrutinizer	I guess I could tweak my playswoosh dbus-script to do that, in like 15min	14:59
DocScrutinizer	pidof h-d \|\| start-rescue-shell	15:00
DocScrutinizer	done :-P	15:00
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DocScrutinizer	one additional line in my playswoosh	15:00
DocScrutinizer	so s/15min/30s/ ;-D	15:02
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DocScrutinizer	plus additional benefit: the rescue shell doesn't open inadvertedly, but rather gives me an opportunity to watch the plain desaster prior to covering everything under an xterm screen	15:03
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DocScrutinizer	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=897443&postcount=14	15:05
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zutesmog	DocScrutinizer: went back to standard kernel (not reflashed) and still no go. Full reflash in order I think	15:11
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DocScrutinizer	yes, a full reflash (combined, not eMMC/VANILLA) is a good thing to get clear situation regarding this. If you do a full backup of your rootfs+/opt via backupmenu prior to that, you can revert to current state anytime later	15:16
DocScrutinizer	you might need to flash matching kernel via flasher though, if the rootfs+opt backup is working on a custom kernel	15:17
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DocScrutinizer	of course this is a PITA when there's no proper kernel image for flasher available, only HAM packages	15:18
DocScrutinizer	robbiethe1st: how's about adding nandread and nandwrite to backup / restore kernel partition?	15:19
DocScrutinizer	ooops nanddump & nandwrite	15:20
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robbiethe1st	Maby later. Before that, when I actually get around to it, I need to add kernel warnings and copy-over-modules	15:26
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dzho	so, my n900 boots, the web shortcuts on the desktop and status bar show up, but no widgets. I can open applications from the application choose window, but eventually it reboots. Sort of a slow boot looping.	15:30
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_trine	does anyone have freeswitch running on their N900?	15:34
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MohammadAG	http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/14/netgears-n900-dual-band-router-hits-900mbps-top-speed-pats-its/	15:35
MohammadAG	that model is kinda annoying	15:35
_trine	netgear are annoying period	15:37
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DocScrutinizer	robbiethe1st: anyway http://paste.debian.net/129969/	16:03
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robbiethe1st	That's the kernel?	16:05
DocScrutinizer	flash_erase /dev/mtd1 && nandwrite -m <dumped-file>	16:05
DocScrutinizer	should restore the partition (CAL here)	16:05
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DocScrutinizer	dang, CAL is size 60000, not 20000 :-o	16:08
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MoonTiger	hey guys :) is git available for the N900?	16:08
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DocScrutinizer	robbiethe1st: http://paste.debian.net/129970/	16:09
fortytwo	MoonTiger: Never tried it, but it's in the repos	16:10
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MoonTiger	really? doh thnx :)	16:10
fortytwo	Extras-devel I think	16:11
fortytwo	So maybe not stable	16:11
MoonTiger	ahhhhhhhh	16:11
DocScrutinizer	http://maemo.org/packages/ http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=git&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same	16:12
MoonTiger	i try to avoid that repo as it managed to bork my sip stack somehow before	16:12
MoonTiger	thnx DocScrutinizer	16:12
DocScrutinizer	extras-devel doesn't bork sip-stack, apt-get autoremove does though	16:12
MoonTiger	really?	16:13
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DocScrutinizer	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip	16:13
MoonTiger	ive done autoremove a few times and it strill works	16:13
MoonTiger	ahhhhhhh i never uninstalled the voip thing tho	16:14
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MoonTiger	ok cool for the info thnx	16:14
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DocScrutinizer	on some systems (probably those that did upgrade to PR1.3 via SSU) those "following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:", not so on systems that flashed to a fresh PR1.3	16:16
DocScrutinizer	anyway, my recommendation to NEVER DO AUTOREMOVE seems sensible	16:17
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MoonTiger	DocScrutinizer, i did a fresh install of 1.3 so that would explain ... also if i ever do a autoremove i look at the stuff its proposing to remove and if anything looks dodge (ie, not something that was just installed) i dont do it	16:18
DocScrutinizer	fair enough	16:19
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MoonTiger	good advice tho for sure	16:19
MoonTiger	good to know to solution to losing sip too	16:19
MoonTiger	thnx for that	16:19
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DocScrutinizer	there's a thanks button on TMO ;-)	16:21
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MoonTiger	tmo?	16:21
DocScrutinizer	~tmo	16:21
infobot	i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes	16:21
jaska	oxes?	16:22
jaska	trolls, morons, oxymorons?:)	16:22
DocScrutinizer	~factinfo tmo	16:22
infobot	tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (456 days); last modified at Wed Sep 8 12:31:25 2010 by mohammadag51; it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 35s ago.	16:22
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MoonTiger	f**k! still get segfault running svn	16:25
MoonTiger	so fustrating	16:25
MoonTiger	i dnloaded the replacement debs but still no go	16:26
MoonTiger	any ideas?	16:26
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mfridh	I disassembled my N900 a bit to try and get to the headphone jack	16:26
mfridh	starting to think it was a bad idea	16:26
mece	huh I created that infobit? Who knew?	16:27
mece	MoonTiger, I think I managed to solve that one.. Hold on I believe it's on tmo.	16:27
MoonTiger	mece thats where i dnloaded the replacemnt libs from	16:28
MoonTiger	still no go tho	16:28
MoonTiger	:\|	16:28
* MoonTiger still thinks it's just so wrong to be updating a server and being asked if i want to install IE9 on it		16:29
jaska	yes :)	16:30
mece	MoonTiger, did you try this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=975462&postcount=57	16:30
MoonTiger	will try right now	16:31
MoonTiger	thnx	16:31
MoonTiger	omfg!! you are a god! thank you :)	16:33
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MoonTiger	i guess i should pin them now right?	16:33
jpinx_out	mfridh: there's plenty of dissassemble how-to's on yourtube. I had no trouble	16:39
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mfridh	I got it back together again	16:41
mfridh	but I couldn't for the life of me find any "white" wire	16:42
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mfridh	so maybe due to being a different hardware revision	16:42
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DocScrutinizer	mfridh: OMG, the white wire is supposed to be found in the HEADSET	16:43
mfridh	then I misunderstood :D	16:44
mfridh	I got alot of dust out of my N900 though	16:44
DocScrutinizer	another WTF of the day: http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#ts10	16:44
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mece	MoonTiger, glad it worked :)	16:57
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Tuxprobe	im doing a Hildon application written c++ however, setting the application menu doesnt work.. any ideas?	17:04
Tuxprobe	class UI_AppMenu : public Hildon::AppMenu	17:04
Tuxprobe	{	17:04
Tuxprobe	public:	17:04
Tuxprobe	UI_AppMenu(Hildon::StackableWindow *pThis); .... };	17:04
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Tuxprobe	Hildon::Program::get_instance()->set_common_app_menu(new UI_AppMenu(this));	17:06
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Tuxprobe	this fails, it does show a menu icon on title bar but it doesnt react to clicks	17:07
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zutesmog	DocScrutinizer: I reflashed, and on first invocation of the camera, I got a message saying it couldn't run because something else was using Audio. After that it keeps failing the same as it did before.	17:10
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DocScrutinizer	something else is using AUDIO ???	17:12
DocScrutinizer	WTF?!	17:12
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zutesmog	yeah, thats what I thought	17:12
zutesmog	thats on the first boot, immediately after reflashing. Once got the desktop I opened the camera shutter and thats the message	17:13
DocScrutinizer	oooh, you might have an unfortunate config setting for canera in your home	17:13
zutesmog	yeah, thats about the only thing I can think of	17:14
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DocScrutinizer	so maybe you need to nuke your settings in your homedir, aka flash VANILLA	17:14
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DocScrutinizer	or rm .*	17:14
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DocScrutinizer	go thru it and rule out candidates to move away	17:15
DocScrutinizer	or - geek way - strace camera-ui and maybe even v4l2 to find out what's the actual file any of those accesses in your user home	17:16
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DocScrutinizer	home/user/.fcamera/settings ?	17:18
zutesmog	I didn't see anything odd in camera-ui, have looked at v4lt. Maybe the ioctl returning 0 are an indication something was screwy fcamera said gst couldn't get frames.	17:18
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DocScrutinizer	gstreamer-0.10 ?	17:18
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zutesmog	bugger, rm -r .fcamera/settings fixed it	17:20
DocScrutinizer	hmm those are the two I found in my home that I'd try to rename, to move away possible rogue config fles for camera-ui	17:20
DocScrutinizer	HAH	17:20
GeneralAntilles	http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/14/netgears-n900-dual-band-router-hits-900mbps-top-speed-pats-its/	17:20
GeneralAntilles	N900!	17:20
zutesmog	I should have done that up front. I had a look in settings and there was nothing wierd looking.	17:21
zutesmog	oh well learnt something today ;-)	17:21
* DocScrutinizer highfives zutesmog		17:21
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zutesmog	:-) thanks for your help	17:22
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DocScrutinizer	fcamera is known to do a number of very odd things once in a while	17:22
DocScrutinizer	it killed RGB LED driver as well, sometime in the past	17:23
zutesmog	oh well, we know now that .fcamera/settings is a good place to start first if the camera won't start.	17:23
DocScrutinizer	seems the fcamera devels don't bother much about compliance with "the maemo way"	17:23
zutesmog	which is a lot easier than changing kernels and reflashing. Yeah. I would have thought if it failed they could have at least logged something somewhere. dmesg is always the first place I look	17:24
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zutesmog	oh well off to bed, whilst my N900 restores itself ;-)	17:24
zutesmog	cheers	17:24
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dzho	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php says to always flash the eMMC first, maemo.org says to flash the rootfs first	17:49
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dzho	http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 in particular	18:06
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DocScrutinizer	dzho: it's basically irrelevant what you flash first, as long as you don't boot in between, however if your system is thoroughly messed up you can not flash eMMC first, the recommendation the is to flash COMBINED VANILLA COMBINED-again	18:07
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dzho	ah	18:07
dzho	that latter page does go into some additional detail too, now that I look at it more closely	18:08
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DocScrutinizer	I bet it does, it's all my edits I guess ;-P	18:08
dzho	heh	18:09
dzho	thanks	18:09
jpinx	DocScrutinizer: does the battery get charged during the flashing process?	18:10
DocScrutinizer	dzho: brief rationale: flashing rootfs will trigger a copy of /opt to eMMC on next boot, so flashing eMMC after that ruins your system. OTOH you may flash rootfs any time, even without flashing eMMC. So usual reasonable sequence is eMMC first then rootfs	18:10
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DocScrutinizer	jpinx: definitely not	18:11
* jpinx has a really poor battery that might not survvive long enough to flash rootfs		18:11
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DocScrutinizer	DO NOT FLAH then! first make sure to charge your battery to a reasonable level, by whatever means. This is no kidding	18:12
* dzho sighs in relief		18:13
dzho	all flashed and back to factory-like operation, it seems	18:13
DocScrutinizer	if the device doesn't stay on NOKIA+usb-icon screen when you plug in the charger/USB-cable and hold "U" during that, then your battery is TOO WEAK	18:13
jpinx	ok -- just that the battery does not last long in normal use, so might not make it through a flash operation even if starting fully charged	18:14
Shapeshifter	why does it need a battery when it's plugged into a usb port?	18:14
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DocScrutinizer	if OTOH it stays in NOKIA+usb-icon then it's time to immediately start flashing of rootfs, it will only take 60s	18:14
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DocScrutinizer	Shapeshifter: charger chip is inactive during flashing	18:15
Shapeshifter	that is very lame	18:15
DocScrutinizer	(simplified picture)	18:15
jpinx	DocScrutinizer: that warning about the screen whileplugging in usb could do with being in the wiki ;)	18:16
DocScrutinizer	thought it is	18:16
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* jpinx might have missed it		18:16
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DocScrutinizer	a lot of the best parts are in the troubleshooting section at bottom of page	18:17
Shapeshifter	Has anyone gotten n900 pulseaudio to play over the network?	18:17
DocScrutinizer	haha	18:17
jpinx	k	18:17
* DocScrutinizer mumbles ~poettering , waves and heads out for a doener kebab		18:17
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Tuxprobe	could someone please take look at this code, is hildon c++ but fails in doing one simple thing, opening appmenu..	18:25
Tuxprobe	im going nuts!	18:25
Tuxprobe	http://ideone.com/pFNUO	18:25
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n900-dk	How do you install curl in the best way?	18:46
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Tuxprobe	apt-get install libcurl?	18:47
Tuxprobe	on tablet* fakeroot apt-get install libcurl3	18:48
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n900-dk	I need the binary curl - I won't get that by libcurl, right?	18:53
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Tuxprobe	the libcurl3 on maemo have been minimized, maybe wget meets your needs?	19:04
Tuxprobe	otherwise check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=504198#post504198	19:05
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n900-dk	Yes, I found this thread too, but I need curl for preyproject	19:05
ruskie	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NetGear-N900/ <-- so no longer only nokia n900 ;)	19:06
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dneary_	RevdKathy, Hi there	19:20
dneary_	RevdKathy, Thanks for passing on the terrible news	19:21
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dneary_	RevdKathy, Do you know what happened? Was it an accident, illness, or something else?	19:21
RevdKathy	awful. Tracey dmed me on Twitter.	19:21
RevdKathy	I couldn't put it in an email - it looks like suicide	19:22
crashanddie	What the hell?	19:22
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crashanddie	RevdKathy, say it ain't so, what sick joke is this?	19:23
dneary_	That's tragic	19:23
DocScrutinizer	HEY! hi RevdKathy	19:23
RevdKathy	it's not - or if it is, the joke is on me. I got messaged by his wife asking me to let folks know	19:23
RevdKathy	so I assume it's real. Tracey must be gutted	19:24
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DocScrutinizer	damn, what? That's terrible	19:27
crashanddie	I don't believe it.	19:27
Jaffa	RevdKathy: On #meego, there's talk about organising flowers (if nothing else)	19:27
RevdKathy	that would be good. I'll ask Tracey in a day or two. I think she's probably still in shock right now.	19:28
Jaffa	Yeah	19:28
crashanddie	this just isn't possible, i spoke to him last night	19:29
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RevdKathy	what sort of state of mind was he in when you spoke?	19:30
crashanddie	he was playing around with visual studio over vnc	19:30
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crashanddie	why the fuck can't I find his bloody number now	19:31
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RevdKathy	that must be awful - getting news like this now!	19:31
lbt	crashanddie: may not be a good idea to call	19:31
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lbt	if it's true then it'll be upsetting	19:32
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lbt	if it's false then only we feel uncertain	19:32
Stskeeps	i had a message (unanswered due to me being out for dinner) from him at 16:52 yesterday asking if there has been more about the meego CE steering group (in fact, it had gotten really good feedback)..	19:32
RevdKathy	I have his number but suspect Tracey won't want calls.	19:32
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crashanddie	it's a fucking sick prank, and the person doing this needs to be slapped in the face	19:33
DocScrutinizer	~seen lcuk	19:33
infobot	lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 2h 32m 23s ago, saying: 'heh'.	19:33
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crashanddie	he's connected under lcuk2 on #liqbase	19:33
RevdKathy	well if it is, I don't know whose prank it is. cos I have sms from his wife's twitter	19:34
crashanddie	yeah, and twitter is the utopia of security, eh?	19:34
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RST38h	What happened with LCUK????	19:34
crashanddie	apparently he passed away.	19:35
crashanddie	allegedly.	19:35
RevdKathy	well, I would agree except the message refered to him as Gary	19:35
crashanddie	and?	19:35
lbt	crashanddie: be thoughtful please. RevdKathy is acting in good faith here.	19:36
DocScrutinizer	RevdKathy: can't you call tracey? Or sms back to her?	19:36
lbt	and we are all rather stunned	19:36
DocScrutinizer	on a different channel	19:36
RST38h	lcuk was probably the most positive guy in the whole Maemo/Meego community, or whatever passes for it	19:36
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RST38h	How the hell could he die???	19:36
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Stskeeps	a lot of questions indeed..	19:37
RST38h	Sure it is not some nasty prank?	19:38
MohammadAG	what the... :/	19:38
RevdKathy	I have the Twitter dms and that's all I have to go on. if someone has hacked his account and is that sick, i'm sorry but I am only telling people as asked	19:38
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lbt	RevdKathy: thanks for doing that. It's the best approach I think	19:38
faenil	sad day :(	19:39
RST38h	Is lardman around? Maybe he has some details?	19:39
RevdKathy	lbt: thanks.	19:39
faenil	death cause still unknown? :(	19:39
RST38h	I think he had contacts with lcuk IRL	19:39
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RevdKathy	the message, if you believe it, says probably suicide.	19:40
erstazi	RevdKathy: thanks for informing us.	19:40
RST38h	RevdKathy:oh fuck...	19:40
Stskeeps	RevdKathy: i don't envy that you have to pass this on to us - thank you for doing so	19:40
faenil	the message? which message :O	19:40
RST38h	lcuk, of all people...	19:40
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RevdKathy	which is why it is so tough when he was chatting to folks normally yesterdat	19:40
RST38h	RevdKathy:If he had any reasons for suicide, he was hiding them pretty damn well	19:41
faenil	two friends of mine suicided in the last two years, and they were both "normal" the day before...that's what strikes you... :(	19:41
MohammadAG	suicide? :/	19:41
RST38h	+ wife and kids, not exactly a typical suicide case	19:42
alterego	I didn't want to hear that	19:42
alterego	fuck	19:42
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RevdKathy	+wife and kids is sadly all too typival	19:42
faenil	:(	19:42
crashanddie	His last son arrived not even months ago.	19:42
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faenil	:O	19:43
GeneralAntilles	That's just . . . horrifying	19:43
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Stskeeps	i'm going to have to go afk for a bit, the news saddens me a lot - but i'm thankful for all the time i've had with lcuk	19:43
RST38h	RevdKathy: He had work. If he were laid off, he would not have much trouble finding new work in this community	19:43
Stskeeps	and the cigs i've bummed from him at events :P	19:43
cpscotti	oh man!! worst piece of shocking bad news I had in a while	19:43
RST38h	RevdKathy: Had wife, kids. So, WTH?	19:43
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erstazi	RevdKathy: did he leave a note?	19:44
crashanddie	it was a twitter DM	19:44
crashanddie	so not much space for details I reckon	19:44
faenil	what? a twitter DM?	19:44
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Stskeeps	his wife was on twitter and some know her through there	19:44
faenil	it must have been tough on the receiver... :(	19:44
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RevdKathy	no, no details. 2 messages saying he committed suicide last night & please pass the message on	19:45
DocScrutinizer	I can't believe in both http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-09-13.log.html#t2011-09-13T14:56:40 and suicide being true	19:45
faenil	:(	19:45
GeneralAntilles	RevdKathy, thanks for relaying anyway.	19:46
GeneralAntilles	Is there a thread somewhere for flowers or meals or something?	19:46
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RevdKathy	thread in community in both forums	19:47
RST38h	shit, why didn't he at least TALK to someone ?	19:48
erstazi	Damn	19:50
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RevdKathy	usually I get weird texts in the middle of the night when he's feeling things are difficult. I know one or two others do, too	19:50
RST38h	and there was nothing?	19:50
lbt	RevdKathy: yeah. He's had rough patches.	19:51
RevdKathy	nope, nothing last night.	19:51
crashanddie	He was bubbling with ideas.	19:52
crashanddie	this doesn't make sense	19:52
cpscotti	crashanddie, no it doesn't :/	19:53
SpeedEvil	People bubbling with ideas can sometimes bubble with very wrong ideas that seem to make sense to them at the time.	19:53
RST38h	exactly, no sense offing oneself when the one and only great project is incomplete	19:53
RevdKathy	does suicide ever make sense?	19:54
cpscotti	RST38h, yep.. you know.. it was not like he was stuck in something.. he was actively working on it.. but well.. I guess that just adds to the idea that sometimes this things don't make sense.. maybe it's just bad chemistry in ur brain :(	19:54
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faenil	RevdKathy: he asked to pass the word on in one of this messages?	19:57
MohammadAG	RevdKathy, he never said anything	19:57
RevdKathy	no, his wife did. she didn't know who else to contact in the community	19:57
faenil	oh ok	19:58
MohammadAG	that was at faenil	19:58
RST38h	Most of the time for the last two years or so, he was almost eerily cheery	19:58
MohammadAG	this is very saddening for me	19:58
MohammadAG	he was the reason I'm here	19:58
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faenil	MohammadAG: as I understood, he left a message saying he had committed suicide..that's what I got at least...is that wrong?	19:58
Stskeeps	faenil: wife sent a message	19:58
Stskeeps	about his suicide	19:59
wazd	Is it really that important to know the reason? He was a great talented man no matter what.	19:59
faenil	oh ok...	19:59
RST38h	wazd: Yes, it is important to know the reason	19:59
Stskeeps	wazd: it is a sad but typical thing about human behaviour.. wanting to find reasons	19:59
RST38h	wazd: Otherwise, you end up with the WHY question and no answer, forever	20:00
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RST38h	wazd: and lcuk is one of those people everyone here cares about	20:00
DocScrutinizer	I'd be able to believe in any accident or illness, stroke, whatever. But suicide??	20:01
RST38h	exactly	20:01
RevdKathy	sadly, I think suicide always leaves those behind with a bloody great WHY and there is no answer.	20:02
DocScrutinizer	I know that, RevdKathy. But I never seen anybody chatting on IRC in the late afternoon and committing suicide 6h later	20:03
lbt	DocScrutinizer: I knew Gary. It was the first thing I thought of. I hoped it wasn't so. I still do. His brain was often fizzing and I think sometimes it affected his emotions too much.	20:03
cpscotti	RevdKathy, yep.. someone said "Suicide's never painless if you leave everybody in pain"	20:03
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: i've seen someone sit in school and talk happily and then later go out for a suicide attempt.. sadly, the human mind is strange	20:03
RST38h	actually, no, there are usually reasons	20:03
Stskeeps	but let's not ponder too much about the how. we've lost someone	20:04
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MohammadAG	I agree with wazd there	20:04
wazd	Stskeeps: exactly	20:04
RST38h	Actually, there is still a chance it is someone's evil hoax	20:04
Stskeeps	RST38h: yes, but it doesn't help to people being upset about it	20:04
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DocScrutinizer	I'm still too concerned about authenticity of the original SMS	20:04
crashanddie	I'll probably take a few days off to attend the funeral and see if I can help T in these moments. I'm out, sick of this shit. Later.	20:05
Stskeeps	see you crashanddie	20:05
RST38h	g'luck crash	20:05
RevdKathy	see you crashanddie	20:05
RST38h	http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/3994528473/in/set-72157622534786276	20:08
cpscotti	wait, so why did lcuk2 last signon was this morning: * [lcuk2] idle 12:11:12, signon: Wed Sep 14 05:55:14	20:08
Stskeeps	cpscotti: probably automatic after a timeout	20:08
cpscotti	Stskeeps, oh.. sorry	20:08
Stskeeps	irc ghosts like that sadly happen	20:08
Estel_	damn, I've just got the news.	20:08
RST38h	He is still signed on	20:09
RST38h	responds to ping too	20:09
Estel_	I didn't know Him too much, but I'm terrifed netherless. Also I hope it's a hoax...	20:09
Stskeeps	RST38h: if you're a loved one, the last thing you think about is turning off the equipment	20:09
Jaffa	So would I - screen + irssi is handy, but would have such an effect	20:09
DocScrutinizer	DocScrutinizer51 would linger on for months	20:10
RST38h	Stskeeps: if you are loved, you do not off yourself	20:11
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Stskeeps	RST38h: i meant family	20:11
RST38h	ah ok	20:11
Stskeeps	ok, this discussion isn't really productive - i'll go remember lcuk over a cup of tea	20:12
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* RST38h recalls applicable DrWho episode (Silence in The Library)		20:12
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RST38h	lcuk loved watching DrWho btw	20:12
Estel_	very wise. Of course everyone is Free to talk, but I think it's wosrt we can do to deny his decision now, if its true	20:12
RevdKathy	it is often people who are very much loved who "off themselves" the mind is not logical	20:12
Estel_	I know many loved (by others) people who did it.	20:13
RST38h	There are usually other reasons though	20:13
Estel_	feelings arent about logic, depression isn't too.	20:13
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Estel_	depression is a ilness. You dont blame someone with cancer for dying, yep?	20:13
DocScrutinizer	Estel_: believe me, depression isn't changing THAT fast	20:13
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, as i said I didn't knew him almost	20:14
RST38h	Well, it is about the right time for the seasonal depression to kick in, but lcuk is a big boy, he must have known it	20:14
Estel_	but depression is often well hidden	20:14
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Estel_	I was reffering to long-term depression. not seasonal.	20:14
RevdKathy	err, yes. depression can do exactly that. 80 % of suicides in the UK are completely unexpected	20:14
Estel_	My wife was/is ill (depression)	20:14
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RST38h	RevdKathy: must.drink.more.vodka	20:15
Estel_	It's only proposition, so, no one feel offended, but i think we should not chit-chat like that before confirmation appears.	20:15
RST38h	At least it gives your relatives enough time to notice your problem.	20:15
* DocScrutinizer frowns and considers heading out to meet some people in real life		20:15
MohammadAG	RST38h, not helping	20:15
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marmoute	DocScrutinizer: look a good idea	20:16
RST38h	Estel <== essentially correct	20:16
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Estel_	just imagine it's a hoax and he read logs later. Or, anyway, I think real life conversation is much more healthy for us too. anyway, I'm off for a while	20:16
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frals	:(((((((	20:18
RST38h	Estel: most of the stuff that has been said still applies	20:18
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Estel_	RST38h i dont ex€tly understand. May be just my mind now, ho ever.	20:19
Estel_	exactly*	20:20
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granporculio	hello boys	20:23
granporculio	can anyone who uses qtcreator help me in this? http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9715/	20:24
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Estel_	thanks, DocScrutinizer (topic change)	20:30
RevdKathy	yes, thank-you for that	20:31
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Venemo	hi	21:05
Venemo	who is lcuk2?	21:05
RST38h	a ghost	21:06
frals	our lost friend :<	21:06
Venemo	:S	21:06
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Venemo	I would want to attend lcuk's funeral, but can't afford the flight to the UK	21:09
Venemo	I am so sorry for him	21:09
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Venemo	maybe this is just one of lcuk's jokes... (I wish...) maybe he just wants to know how many condolences he would get if he died.	21:11
crevetor	I don't see him doing such a sick joke	21:11
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lcuk2	this is his girlfriend i didn't realise he's left this logged in. it's no joke he's gone and left myself and my boys on our own	21:12
Venemo	lcuk2, I'm so sorry about him	21:13
crevetor	lcuk2: oh shit.	21:13
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RST38h	hello Tracey	21:13
RevdKathy	hi Teebee. we're all thinking of him	21:13
Venemo	hello Tracy	21:14
RevdKathy	and of you, of course	21:14
RST38h	Really sorry about lcuk, the world got a little bit darker without him	21:14
SpeedEvil	I can't say anything else than good wishes at this horrible time.	21:14
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X-Fade	What sad news. :( I'll miss his cheerful spirit.	21:15
ruskie	:'(	21:16
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Estel_	lcuk2 (Tracey) thank You for information, and forgive that I can't find words. Just want to let You know that I somehow understand how You can feel, through shared experiences.	21:17
Estel_	warm thoughts for You and boys.	21:17
RevdKathy	lcuk2 let us know if there's anything we can do to help.	21:19
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matrixx	lcuk2: my deepest condolences for you and the kids :(	21:22
Estel_	Yea, seriously, if there is anything we can do, we would glady try to help. Not saying this only as empty declaration.	21:22
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RST38h	moo,tekojo	21:23
tekojo	Moo RST38h	21:23
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ShadowJK	:(	21:25
habmala	thoughts go out to you lcuk2	21:29
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RST38h	heya javispedro	21:30
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: o/ :'(	21:31
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RST38h	Meanwhile: http://markmail.org/message/uro3jtoitlmq6x7t	22:01
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RST38h	javispedro: you realized it just now? =) try knitting!	22:33
* rm_work knits		22:34
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* rm_work cannot forget :(		22:35
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RST38h	reading then?	22:36
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RST38h	http://www.flickr.com/photos/nik_doof/4086491418/	22:45
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RST38h	http://www.flickr.com/photos/88474662@N00/4034769518/	22:47
RST38h	http://www.flickr.com/photos/88474662@N00/4027110632/	22:47
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