IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-09-11

DocScrutinizerjust wondering if your looks like it should00:00
angelox|laptopi'll pastebin and download the raw patch00:02
angelox|laptopraw file*00:02
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angelox|laptopcan you upload it somewhere? stills don't working00:04
angelox|laptopand if i install h-e-n?00:04
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angelox|laptop./booston: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/ /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found00:08
angelox|laptop again00:08
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bindihow can I make blessn900 open instead of the default one when camera lense is opened?00:11
DocScrutinizersorry I dunno what this error suggests00:11
Siceloi get that error too :/00:11
DocScrutinizerit's obviously missing the " of the original00:11
angelox|laptopbtw,about the warranty shop i went,there were about 3 tickets in a reclain website about the same SHOP,same PROBLEM,same PHONE :(00:11
DocScrutinizert900:~# which run-standalone.sh00:12
DocScrutinizert900:~# which dbus-send00:12
angelox|laptopNokia-N900:~# which run-standalone.sh00:13
angelox|laptopNokia-N900:~# which dbus-send00:13
DocScrutinizerbtw I uploaded a bugfixed version00:13
DocScrutinizerit misssed a line for i2cget :-o00:13
DocScrutinizerthere's sth odd with my shell scripting foo00:16
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angelox|laptopi'll turn my device off00:17
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angelox|laptopThere's any *stable* release of MeeGo for N900? I think maybe it charge,since strangely it charged my device00:18
bindibah.. cant change the font of desktop command execution widget00:19
DocScrutinizerI uploaded another fixed version00:19
* DocScrutinizer wonders how this ever could've worked on his t90000:19
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bindiwhat's the difference between BMe and BME alternative00:20
bindilooking at pybattery settings00:20
DocScrutinizerwhat is pybattery?00:21
DocScrutinizero/ cya all00:22
bindibut I had another question :(00:22
bindihow do I make blessn900 the default app00:22
bindioh hello00:22
bindigoogling is actually working00:22
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bindii installed camera lens launcher and set the preferred application to blessn90000:29
bindiguess what happens when i open the cover00:29
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smharI am in the search for a good case for my N900 with a belt clip, but the ones I found on ebay say "Magnet may place your device into sleep mode, but will not harm your device". any idea what does this mean?03:04
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smharthanks angelox|laptop03:13
infobotsure thing, smhar03:13
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smharseems a magnet case is a no option for me :-(03:39
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DocScrutinizerinfobot: useless03:44
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(03:44
jrayhawkThe PDair aluminum case doesn't use magnets, and works fairly well with the Noreve metal belt clip.03:44
Macerlooks like apple won huh?03:44
jrayhawkThough PDair themselves will sell your email address to spammers, so its up to you whether you want to support them.03:45
DocScrutinizerI'll sue them off the planet's surface for infringing my patents on using light for displaying info on a flat surface03:45
DocScrutinizerand of course my (R) end (foo) on white cases03:46
Macerwhat exactly did they sue them for? i thought it was also similarities with how the os looked03:46
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Maceri know a galaxy s sure did look like it was trying its hardest to look like an iphone03:47
DocScrutinizermeh, a device with flat surface and round corners03:47
Macerso does that mean my transformer is next?03:47
DocScrutinizerapple invented the round corners03:47
Macerit has rounded corners03:48
psycho_oreossmhar, I'm guessing it also depends on how strong the magnet is and if you have your N900 in a extra case like otterbox. I have bought a generic leather case with magnet and have my N900 inside otterbox, when I place my N900 into the generic leather case I place it with the screen facing towards my body.03:48
Macerit is eu tho03:48
Macernobody can buy stuff there either03:48
Macerother than in germany03:49
DocScrutinizerI hope this whole nonsense will severely damage their corporate image03:49
Maceryeah. they are really overdoing it03:49
Macerare they suing in the us as well?03:49
Maceri know i heard japan was the next country03:50
psycho_oreossmhar, of course my generic leather case has a belt clip on it03:50
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jrayhawkThe Noreve n900 cases also use mechanical fasteners.04:01
jrayhawkand support belt clips.04:01
smharjrayhawk, searching04:01
Macerbelt clips are really lame04:03
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jrayhawkThusfar I've only found plastic button-release belt clips and metal orientation-release belt clips and I would really like to find a metal button-release belt clip.04:08
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n900-dkAny of you guys using MfE?04:42
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n900-dkI need the output of 'gconftool-2 -R /apps/activesync' (of course stripped for account info)04:46
angelox|laptopgood night people04:51
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Strengthsthe problems listed for me with SSU update are: "packages missing: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet" <- where can I find these to manually dpkg? or what do I need to uninstall to bypass this?05:19
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Ken-YoungWhen I try to install CSSU (I had to reflash my N900) I get the message "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. Connect the device to your PC via a USB cable and launch the application."   I have no PC (no windoze PC), is it no longer possible to install CSSU without a PC?05:29
StrengthsKen-Young: look in the "problems" tab when viewing the details05:30
Strengthsmy issue is that apt-get doesn't work on the two packages I need: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet05:32
Ken-YoungStrengths Thanks!05:32
Ken-YoungStrengths, Where is the "problems" tab - I see no such tab on the application manager, just a "Create backup" button.05:34
Strengths"Package modest-home-applet is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has be obsolete, or is onlyh available from another source"05:34
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Strengthshow can I find the other package that refers to that one? and will getting rid of the other package mean I can update the SSU?05:36
StrengthsKen-Young: click the "Details" button instead of the "Continue" button05:36
Ken-YoungThanks again.05:38
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n900-dkStrengths: Won't 'apt-get check' list the broken dependencies?05:43
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Strengthsn900-dk: that read the package lists, built the dependency tree and read the state information... Done05:47
Strengthsno other info05:47
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n900-dkand you can't use 'apt-get install modest-home-applet'?05:48
Strengthsthat's what I tried and got the above message05:49
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Strengthsn900-dk: this is my hildon-application-manager.list
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MohammadAGmodest-home-applet lives in Nokia Apps repo afaik06:33
MohammadAGcheck HAM, you may have that disabled06:33
StrengthsMohammadAG: is that just the App Manager? That runs06:35
Ken-YoungMohammadAG, WHen I launch CSSU features, I get the error message "Reding the configuration settings gave a FATAL ERROR while loading. Not all settings available. Exiting."  Do you know how I can fix that problem?06:36
MohammadAGyes, ham = hildon app manager06:36
MohammadAGKen-Young, no idea, we didn't develop that app06:37
Strengthsyeah, I'm stumped how to proceed from here06:37
Ken-YoungMohammadAG, OK, thanks.06:37
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MohammadAGtap the title bar, tap catalogues, find Nokia Apps/SSU, tap it, check it's not disabled, save06:37
Strengthshmm.. taking an awful long time before displaying catalogs06:41
Strengthsok, Sytem Software updates was disabled, enabling now06:42
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Strengthsnot sure why it was disabled06:42
Strengthsperhaps I thought the Community SSU replaced the need for it?06:43
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StrengthsMohammadAG: That fixed it, Community SSU is downloading now :) Thanks!06:45
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Ken-YoungOnce CSSU is installed, how does one enable the automatic transition between landscape and portrait modes driven by the accelerometers?06:48
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Strengthshmm.. on restarting the phone, I get a notification: "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". Rebooting just gives the same error :/ Any ideas MohammadAG?07:04
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Strengthsuh-oh, a google search reveals nothing short of a replacement will fix that :P (or rehot rapuyama and gazoo, whatever that is)07:44
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DocScrutinizerthose are the two main modemchips12:17
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psycho_oreos... fail?13:06
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DocScrutinizer#tmo ??13:14
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FIQ|n900I tried to insert some dejavu font's in /usr/share/fonts, but they doesn't seem to be recongnized13:15
FIQ|n900Am I doing something wrong?13:15
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DocScrutinizerpooooooh #tmo, bah!13:16
jylanwas blindly checking rooms...13:17
jylansilly space slash mistake13:18
psycho_oreosFIQ|n900, you might want to have a look at how android fonts work or even nokia-pure fonts work13:18
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psycho_oreosmore like there was a space in between :)13:18
jylanbetween where?13:19
psycho_oreosyou had a space in between what you said and the forward slash to tell your IRC client that what you wrote was meant to be a command13:19
jylanah yep, that's what I meant before :)13:20
* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass13:21
DocScrutinizerpeaceful 9-11 to the world!13:22
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psycho_oreosah as in to what jylan said heh13:25
DocScrutinizerStrengths: and yes, reflow-heating those two chips (Rapuyama and Gazoo) might fix a "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error." permanent failure13:25
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FIQ|n900ah, had to use fc-conf13:26
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* DocScrutinizer wonders where and how to store that factoid13:27
FIQ|n900er, fc-cache*13:29
DocScrutinizermaybe the "keywords: fonts,  /usr/share/fonts, truetype, change font, fc-conf, available fonts, add font" will help google to point to this very chanlog location ;-D13:29
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FIQ|n900and, fc-cache, not fc-conf as said, typo13:31
DocScrutinizerand "linux"13:31
DocScrutinizerduh, and X1113:32
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bistoni finally got my n900 broken13:32
DocScrutinizerwhat happened?13:32
FIQ|n900how come?13:32
bistonno idea, at first i was facing problems with the battery13:33
bistonlike it wud be 70%, i'd play a lil game of sudoku and all of a sudden the battery's empty13:33
DocScrutinizernot that bad yet13:34
bistonlater on, i wud recharge the phone, when i unplug the charger, the phone wud still think it is still plugged in13:34
bistonyesterday, i was recharging it, suddenly it turned off, and wudnt turn back on13:34
DocScrutinizerget a new battery13:34
bistonluckily i backup my phone every other day and i keep the backup on my pc13:34
bistonyea its sunday13:34
bistonim not sure i can wait 24 more hours to get my phone online again13:35
DocScrutinizerwhat's happening when you just plug in wallwart charger?13:35
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bistonwallwart ?13:35
Macerugh. played basketball yesterday and my entire body is going to die13:35
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DocScrutinizerNokia fastcharger13:35
bistonim looking for a way to migrate the contacts from the backup files to a symbian phone13:36
bistonah, i dont have that, i have the genuine nokia chargers13:36
Macertigerdirect got a shipment of touchpads and they sold out in 1 hour13:36
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MacerHP probably made a mistake in abandoning it13:36
bistonMohammadAG are you available ?13:36
Macerthey could sell it cheaper than the rest and continue development on webos13:37
Maceri'm sure they will still make a profit13:37
psycho_oreosafaik its not going to be easy converting maemo contacts into symbian if you have a dead N900 to boot ontop of all that13:37
SpeedEvilNot at $9913:37
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SpeedEvilAt $99, you can't buy the parts, even in volume13:37
DocScrutinizerMacer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price13:38
bistonpsycho_oreos there must be some solution13:38
bistoneven a db reader wud work for me13:38
bistoni'll create the contacts 1 by 1 on ovi suite and sync them13:38
MacerSpeedEvil: you might be abe to for a little bit more13:38
Macermaybe 20013:38
psycho_oreosbiston, there would be a solution yes, but not as easy imo13:39
DocScrutinizerMacer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price13:39
FIQ|n900make cheap products, then when everyone has one (or at least very many), be nice to devs and take 30% of profit from apps, profit?!13:39
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MacerDocScrutinizer: they could have made it up with licensing13:39
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FIQ|n900i don't really see why devs should not take a look at the webOS platform, there's few apps but MANY webOS owners13:40
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DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: that's the scheme Nokia tries to copy from $fruitphone and will fail epically on it13:40
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FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer, hm :P13:41
DocScrutinizeractually already did13:41
Macer$fruitphone? hahaha13:41
Maceri think hp could have found a way to cut costs on the touchpad13:41
DocScrutinizerNokia's shift from hw manuf to content provider (or sth silly like that) been anounced quite some years(?) ago13:42
Maceri still find it hard to believe they can't cover the cost at 200 heh13:42
Macermaybe even 15013:42
Maceri'm sure even a transformer costs like 100 per unit to make13:42
DocScrutinizerMacer: the screen alone is probably like 100 bucks in quantities, in Hongkong13:43
Macerthe touchpad has that pull out screen extension doesn't it?13:43
DocScrutinizerand you have to ask for 3 times your sourcing costs, for a rule of thumb13:43
Macertank-man: heh13:46
Macerbeat you to it ? :)13:46
Maceri stand corrected13:46
tank-manmost expensive components are the display+touchscreen13:47
Maceryeah. like 130 for both13:47
n900-dkis MfE closed source or would CSSU team be able to fidle with it?13:47
ruskieclosed iirc13:48
Macermail for exchange13:48
Macerthe worst exchange app ever made13:48
DocScrutinizerMacer: tank-man: why not just believe me? way easier ;-D13:48
n900-dkhehe, but bether than nothing if you are going to use Exchange13:48
MacerDocScrutinizer: rule of thumb is to never believe someone on irc13:48
n900-dkwhat would it take to make a clone of MfE, is it possible?13:50
pabs3what does MfE do?13:50
Maceri am sending my n900 to my buddy to solder a new usb port back on13:50
Maceri can't do it13:50
Macerwas wondering if there was something cool he can do to the usb port while he is doing it?13:50
DocScrutinizerMacer: I'd not think this rule of thumb implies you can trust in web pages13:50
MacerDocScrutinizer: depends on the web page ;)13:51
n900-dkpabs3: Sync mail/calender against Exchange server13:51
Maceri wouldn't trust truthfulinformation.cn13:51
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Macermaybe a hosting adapter?13:51
Maceror boosting the power so the phone can power another phone?13:52
Maceror can he add a laser beam to the usb port13:52
pabs3n900-dk: IIRC the evolution desktop mail client has support for that, so maybe you can steal code from there13:52
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Macerwould be nice to have a 50W CO2 laser built into my n90013:53
Maceri might need an extended battery tho :/13:54
SpeedEvilI want a proper laser pointer13:54
MacerSpeedEvil: can't wire it up to something and make an app to turn it on?13:54
SpeedEvil1nm-1mm, 1nW-1GW, 360 degrees to 0 degrees.13:54
SpeedEvil1AAA battery13:54
n900-dkpabs3: Ok thanks, eventhough I'm not able to code :)13:55
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Maceryou mean an actual laser pointer13:55
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pabs3n900-dk: there is no time like the present to learn something new :)13:55
Macerseptember 11th13:55
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Macerlets see if my 2 tours in iraq has prevented another terrorist attack from happening today13:56
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Maceralthough i did not see the relationship between iraq and terrorism... but whatever13:56
* DocScrutinizer just wants some paper to wrap it around his tobacco13:56
MacerDocScrutinizer: don't use bible paper13:57
Maceruse a pipe13:57
DocScrutinizerno bible here, so no risk this might happen13:57
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bindiany idea why camera lens launcher doesnt do anything when i tell it to open the preferred application, which is blessn90013:57
bindibut the popup menu works, where I can select blessn90013:57
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StrengthsDocScrutinizer: Oh I see, RAPUYAMA = baseband, GAZOO = PMU13:59
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psycho_oreosbindi, and does it work if you execute blessn900 manually?13:59
ErwinJungeOdd. My sim card sometimes goes missing and then comes back again. I reflashed yesterday, so I guess it's a hardware issue, but it's puzzles me that it drops at random.13:59
StrengthsI don't really, that's just a copy paste from googling your nick in IRC logs of this channel :P14:00
bindipsycho_oreos: how manually? from the n900 menu and the popup menu, both weork14:00
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psycho_oreosbindi, don't understand by popup menu.. isn't that sort of part of camera lens launcher?14:01
bindipsycho_oreos: yeah that14:01
psycho_oreosbindi, so if its the same and you said the popup works along with your menu, then where's the issue? that you don't get a popup menu at all?14:01
bindii think i was unclear14:02
bindicamera lens launcher has 3 options14:02
bindiuse preferred application, popup menu, or do nothing14:02
bindipreferred application = blessn900 - doesnt work14:02
bindipopup menu, select blessn900 = works14:02
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psycho_oreosahh preferred application part doesn't work, no I haven't personally tried that14:02
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Any idea what could cause seemingly random sim missing events after which the sim comes back at seemingly random times?14:03
jylanbindi: confirmed not working for me as well...14:05
bindiperhaps it is time to file a bug report14:05
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: hw contact problems, or other random fails of modem hw14:06
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DocScrutinizereven SIM itself may show such error pattern14:06
ErwinJungeHm.. any way to figure out which?14:07
DocScrutinizeriirc SpeedEvil was able to reproducably make his SIM "fail" by pressing near "E" key of kbd14:08
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SpeedEvilWasn't me14:10
ErwinJungeworks though14:10
SpeedEvilthat was someone else I think14:10
ErwinJungereproducable fix as well? ;)14:10
DocScrutinizererr ShadowJK then?14:10
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SpeedEvilI 'fixed' that behaviour by putting a 3G only SIM in the phone.14:11
ShadowJKNokia Care fixed it for me after 2 months14:11
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ShadowJKby giving me a new N90014:11
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* SpeedEvil is currently pondering nokia care.14:12
SpeedEvilOr soldering the USB port back on.14:12
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Strengths"All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device, but most likely will need to reflow heat the "14:13
ErwinJungeNokia Care hasn't been really happily giving new N900s recently. At least here in the Netherlands I know of one person who got an N8 multiple times before finally and after a lot of work from his side getting an N900. Nokia Care claimed it was an "upgrade".14:13
StrengthsRapuyama and Gazoo chips"14:13
* DocScrutinizer shudders thinking that even SpeedEvil managed to kift his USB14:13
Strengthshehe, now *that* a notification message14:13
ShadowJKis the rapuyama and gazoo thing from forums?14:14
Strengthsschematics at
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: To be fair - it was utterly my fault.14:14
MacerSpeedEvil: broke it jsut so you could fix it? :)14:15
SpeedEvilI mean - impact on the plug - at a worst case angle from a drop14:15
ErwinJungeStrengths: Is that in reply to my question?14:15
SpeedEvilDropped it 1.2m or so, onto the plug, on a hard floor14:15
StrengthsN2200 - Gazoo, D2800 - Rapuyama listed in
MacerSpeedEvil: i'm sure the crappiness of the usb port in it had something to do with it14:15
SpeedEvilIt bent the plug on the adaptor14:16
Macerany other phone would have had a usb port that would have survived that easily14:16
SpeedEvilthe wall adaptor14:16
DocScrutinizerwell, that's indeed not a case where you could hope it survives14:16
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ShadowJKErwinJunge, for me it just got worse and worse over a period of a few months, the suggested "fixes" of cleaning contacts or padding did nothing or just slowed down degradation by a day or two14:20
DocScrutinizerStrengths: funny you seem to have found an alternative source for the schematics. It's the same version we know since ages, anyway - just checked it14:20
Strengthsso the "v2" is misleading14:20
DocScrutinizerunles they changed stuff without noticing it on first page14:21
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ErwinJungeShadowJK: Hm... not too happy about that prospect. Thanks for telling me though.14:21
DocScrutinizerobviously I couldn'T compare the whole document (I didn't try a diff though)14:22
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Does the "pressing near e leads to missing sim" thing tell you anything useful as to what the cause may be? I'd prefer to have it fixed rather than go through Nokia Care.14:23
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DocScrutinizerthis specific error pattern suggests there've been problems with reflow process leading to por solder joints of the BGA chips14:23
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: And would that be fixable? :) I have only a vague idea of what you just said.14:25
DocScrutinizerif you for example fail to properly preheat the chips for 30+ min, then on soldering you create mech tension when the chips and PCB cool down after reflow14:25
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ErwinJungeAh, now that I understand :)14:25
Strengthsputting the whole phone in an oven to reheat some solder on 2 chips doesn't sound good14:26
DocScrutinizeror chips were exposed to air for too long and so collected humidity14:26
DocScrutinizerwhich leads to solder joints "boiling out" some water/steam14:26
n900-dkwhere can I change the schedule for checking for apps updates?14:26
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Strengthshow many N950 dev phones are they going to make?14:29
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: So theoretically I could get someone to fix the solder joints of the BGA chips?14:30
n900-dkso I could disable it and use alarmed to do '/usr/libexec/apt-worker.real check-for-updates' at specific time?14:30
DocScrutinizerall were made some months ago, probably even a year ago14:30
Strengthsinstant collectors item14:31
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: some qualified SMT rework shop may be able to reflow the chips, yes14:31
DocScrutinizern900-dk: probably yes14:31
FIQ|n900tracker is used to index images and videos and music - correct?14:31
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FIQ|n900because I don't really do these on N90014:32
DocScrutinizern900-dk: never checked the apt-worker.real part14:32
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Alright, thanks. I'll try that before going through Nokia Care14:32
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FIQ|n900can it be disabled?14:32
DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: yes14:32
FIQ|n900i guess this will speed up a bit and the battery would be more nice14:32
FIQ|n900hm, how?14:32
DocScrutinizertracker config app14:33
DocScrutinizeror just edit the config file by hand14:33
FIQ|n900will check it out14:33
DocScrutinizeryou can set up things like "never run indexing while on battery"14:33
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jogaI'm trying to get gcc on n900 to compile a very simple program (talks serial to a usb motor controller over ttyACM0), I found some instructions telling to install a few debs but seems I lack the standard libs14:35
jogasomeone also mentioned including the sdk repo and doing apt-get build-essential but is that safe?14:35
ErwinJungejoga: The preferred method is simply using scratchbox, or if you're on Windows esbox.14:36
infobotErwinJunge meant: joga: My preferred method is simply using scratchbox, or if you're on Windows esbox.14:36
DocScrutinizerit will most likely cram your rootfs14:36
ShadowJKkeep backups, be prepared to reflash, and if apt-get asks ig you're sure you want to blow away your system, say no14:37
bindiload avg went just up 6.08 for some reason14:37
DocScrutinizerhtop is your friend ;-)14:37
bindiusing top14:37
bindiapt eating a lot14:38
DocScrutinizerfair enough14:38
DocScrutinizerit's checking for updates I guess14:38
FIQ|n900ShadowJK, that reminds me14:38
ShadowJKlibc6-dev probably needed. Biggest problem is running out of diskspace or accidentally killing something14:38
jogaDocScrutinizer, that's what I was afraid of..14:38
FIQ|n900apt-get once told me "if you continue, you will be out of root space, continue anyway?"14:38
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FIQ|n900at least it asked :P14:39
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jogawell, I don't strictly have to do this with c anyway, I just happened to have a program ready in c14:39
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ShadowJKI did this on N800 and N810 a few times, never tried it on N90014:40
DocScrutinizerthere are ways to set up a proper development system on N900. Just needs a lot of work to move everything out of the 250MB rootfs to eMMC14:40
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DocScrutinizereasiest is probably just a chroot14:41
ShadowJKa build-essential install, followed by cursing and reflash and restoring backups is probably a few magnotudes faster than figuring out scratchbox though ;-)14:41
DocScrutinizeror you check if build-essentials maybe actually is optified already, or you optify it manually14:42
ShadowJKnothing in sdk repo is optified14:43
DocScrutinizerthought as much14:43
bindiDocScrutinizer: I got tracker-cfg, where do I set this don't do when using battery14:43
bindiBatteryIndexInitial ...?14:43
jogacould I compile such a program in easy debian?14:43
DocScrutinizerwho would've cared to optify a pkg that's not meant to get installed on target platform14:43
DocScrutinizerbindi: sth like that, yeah14:44
bindithere's BatteryIndex and BatteryIndexInitial14:44
DocScrutinizer# nice trackerd, doesn't exactly make it bearable, but somewhat less sucking14:44
DocScrutinizersed -i -e "s/Throttle=0/Throttle=10/" /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg14:44
FIQ|n900joga, try tiny-c-compiler14:44
bindiEnable or disable indexing when on battery power.14:44
FIQ|n900if it's just a simple C program14:44
jogaFIQ|n900, yes it's simple, just spitting some bytes to serial, nothing more14:45
bindiwas already disabled14:45
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FIQ|n900so try it :)14:45
FIQ|n900it's available in repos14:45
jogaFIQ|n900, doing it right now ;)14:46
FIQ|n900<DocScrutinizer> easiest is probably just a chroot14:46
FIQ|n900wouldn't that be really slow?14:46
s1nanis there a shortcut for x-term, I'm in a reboot loop, managed to disable lifeguard, phone boots but can't get into x-term14:46
DocScrutinizer# Set to true to disable initial indexing when running on battery14:46
DocScrutinizer# Set to true to disable indexing when running on battery14:47
DocScrutinizerless /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg14:47
ShadowJK(for xterm)14:48
s1nanit didn't work I guess, nothing happened :(14:48
DocScrutinizerwell, if h-d is not coming up then it possibly fails14:48
bindiunderstood the manpage incorrectly then14:49
DocScrutinizerbindi: manpage??14:49
StrengthsShadowJK: nice 2 finger salute I'll try to remember :)14:49
jogaFIQ|n900, tcc hello.c -o hello says "tcc: file '/usr/lib/crt1.o' not found, tcc: file '/usr/lib/crti.o' not found, test.c:1: include file 'stdio.h' not found"14:49
Strengths*3 finger14:49
bindiDocScrutinizer: i googled it :D14:49
Strengthsor fingertip14:49
DocScrutinizerwhich one14:49
DocScrutinizerman trackerd ?14:50
joga(I guess I should just remember the package names for such)14:50
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DocScrutinizerwell, the original tracker.cfg has a lot of comments14:51
s1nanShould I wait to get help, I'm desperate at the moment. I don't want to reflash, just did that 1 week ago :/14:51
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FIQ|n900joga, I haven't used it for myself, just saw it in the repos14:52
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FIQ|n900so no idea, sorry :p14:52
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jogaI guess I just don't have some -dev pkg but I'll look into it, thanks for the tip14:52
DocScrutinizerbindi: I'm puzzled about the weird sematics as well, I mean "set XXX=false to enable XXX" WTF?14:53
s1nanwe can flash via flasher-3.5, can't we copy files to directories via it?14:53
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DocScrutinizers1nan: no, alas not14:57
ErwinJunges1nan maybe figuring out what you did to get a reboot loop within a week would be advisable? :)14:58
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s1nanI changed transitions from maemodder, after installing hildon-desktop for portrait mode14:59
s1naneverything was fine, I felt some lag so I used optimizen900, then reboot loop.15:00
SpeedEvils1nan: Is it a fast reboot loop?15:00
DocScrutinizeroptimizen900 sounds like a really bad idea to even touch with a 10 feet pole15:00
s1nannope, it boots, I see the desktop15:01
s1nanthen black squares come, then I see empty desktop15:01
bindihow do I rightclick on vncviewer <.<15:01
s1nanthen squares again, after that, reboot15:01
s1nanwell, I was using optimizen900 without any problem15:02
s1nanI guess same thing would happen if I used the reboot button15:02
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s1nanproblem is transitions.ini, I guess. I just need to replace it with default one15:03
s1nanproblem is, can't get x-term started, have not button for x-term at top menu, and see it on desktop.15:03
s1nanPlus, ctrl+shift+x didn't work, should I keep them pressed..? I also tried that though..15:04
s1nanso, any ideas to resurrect my n900?15:05
FIQ|n900<bindi> how do I rightclick on vncviewer <.< i prefer PresenceVNC15:05
bindiFIQ|n900: figured it out, volume up button while tapping15:06
FIQ|n900You can also adjust quality, like if you're on 3G, and things like that15:06
bindiFIQ|n900: anyway what's better about it15:06
bindii'll look into that15:06
FIQ|n900Well, you can actually send things not on N900 keyboard. IIRC, vncviewer was able to do that as well, but not as much keys15:07
FIQ|n900And, I once tried running minecraft just to see if it worked - for some reason the keys didn't work in vncviewer at all, but they did in presence15:08
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FIQ|n900Not that i will do that, but just as a test15:08
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s1nanno ideas?15:11
s1nancan't we replace file via flasher?... :(15:11
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NIN101s1nan: boot rescueos...15:13
s1nanlooking into it15:16
s1nanah, it is for linux I guess15:16
s1nanusing PC atm15:16
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NIN101well :/15:17
s1nanthat looks promising though15:18
s1nanbut unable to help me, sadly :( I was thinking to have Ubuntu too, one more reason to have it15:20
NIN101windows has flasher, it would be possible to boot the initrd at least.15:20
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s1nanthings getting messy for me15:22
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s1nandownloading initrd and kernel, what is next?15:26
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s1nanaha, I made it to run x-term15:28
NIN101b2w, to use it you need to know the linux console. To boot it: turn your N900 off, run the flasher command and connect your N900 to your PC...15:28
s1nanI thought so, just needed confirm, diving into x-term15:29
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s1nanMy problem is a small one, a tool which will make N900 run in mass storage mode, starting from root would be very helpful for programmers, wouldn't it?15:31
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Atariiisn't that what RescueOS does?15:34
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s1nanI didn't run it yet, have no linux on this computer, so I don't know. But it says mass-storage mode in core features. It can be just like normal n900 connects to computer in mass-storage mode, not like I mentioned15:38
Atariipsycho_oreos, no?15:39
DocScrutinizerI don't see how mass storage mode could help to e.g. replace transitions.ini15:39
psycho_oreosAtarii, not without one needing to run a few commands15:39
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psycho_oreosheh transitions.ini sits on rootfs.. good luck with that :p15:40
NIN101mass storage mode in rescueos exposes maemo home and MyDocs. That's it. To replace your file, you have to to mount the rootfs, and this is possible.15:40
s1nanif I could see (reach) the directories, so I could move default transitions.ini easily15:40
NIN101you can.15:40
s1nanbacked up default transitions.ini, lets see if it works15:41
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s1nanyea. I'm da killa nob here, a'right? As good as new, thank you guys for all your help! :)15:42
n900-dkWhat does this syslog message mean?:15:42
n900-dkSep 11 14:41:20 Nokia-N900 kernel: [122278.481323] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up15:42
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DocScrutinizern900-dk: probably means your wlan AP doesn't support PSM properly15:46
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s1nanby the way.. any of you guys know which lines to change the feel of "menu splash"in transitions.ini, I like dscobsct custom transition, but when I do it with maemodder, maemodder changes the transitions.ini and that makes CSSU features app to crash, also made me into reboot loop. Which lines to change, to have that "menu splash"?..15:48
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n900-dkDocScrutinizer: Hmm, seems to be a bug:
povbotBug 9101: Wifi doesn't enter power saving mode properly (wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up)15:50
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s1nanone more question for today, I am using default kernel, and I have no need the programs those need power kernel. Is there any positive thing for me to switch to power kernel?15:56
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cityLightshi all16:02 you guys ever get some (heat related?) shutting down of the phone while installing easy debian?16:02
cityLightsis there a program for the rome buses?16:02
cityLightsor any other program that I should install before arriving at Italy?16:03
s1nancityLights : you can search for it from FAM16:03
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DocScrutinizern900-dk: indeed16:03
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s1nanI remember there was one, but don't know if it was for Rome.16:03
DocScrutinizerstill possibly related to AP16:04
cityLightsan I meet any of the regulars here at rome?16:04
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cityLightsas I didnt get a n950, was hoping to buya n9 there16:04
cityLightsbut it doesnt seem like it will be avail by the month end16:05
s1nanI don't know if N9 is out in italy?16:05
cityLightsI assume it didnt come out yet16:05
cityLightswish i could run ec2 api from my N90016:06
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jogayay got it compiled under easy debian :)16:12
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joga...and it works :)16:19
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bindican anyone link me that pic / thread of the heavily soldered usb port?16:40
infobotFixate receptacle like this: - get the form there for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<<16:42
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s1nanbye guys16:49
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DocScrutinizermoo javispedro17:18
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DocScrutinizerjoga: seems a chroot environment is the easiest for building stuff, eh?17:19
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DocScrutinizerdang, GPS actually took several minutes for first fix17:21
MohammadAGjust a question17:22
DocScrutinizerquite unusual. Wonder if that's related to (cssu) update possibly messing up the stored position alm/eph etc17:22
MohammadAGwhy is everyone blaming the CSSU for this? :)17:23
DocScrutinizerI'm explicitly NOT blaming CSSU for this17:23
MohammadAGeverything GPS is closed source17:23
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MohammadAGlemme rephrase then17:23
MohammadAGwhy is everyone besides DocScrutinizer blaming the CSSU for this? :)17:23
DocScrutinizerI'm blaming update17:23
MohammadAGwell, some are reporting that changing from to fixed the issue17:24
MohammadAGso maybe it's an issue on Nokia's side?17:24
javispedroMohammadAG: you get used to it17:25
javispedro(people blaming your stuff)17:25
DocScrutinizerquite possible17:25
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javispedroMohammadAG: someone asserted for ex. that C FM radio had "less signal quality" than QRadio17:25
MohammadAGbtw, I installed C FM Radio on my N900 and it bricked my N95017:25
javispedroah, so it was you!17:26
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: we've seen exactly same for AGPS-beta on diablo17:26
MohammadAGI thought AGPS needed 3G?17:26
DocScrutinizerno way17:27
MohammadAGlemme time the N86's GPS17:27
DocScrutinizerAGPS needs access to supl.*.*17:27
MohammadAGright, GPS locked17:27
DocScrutinizerabsolutely unrelated to 3G17:27
MohammadAGthat's... 30 seconds17:27
DocScrutinizeryou probably meant LLRP or what it's called17:28
infoboti heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or
MohammadAGno, AGPS17:29
MohammadAGbut I implied it needs 3G since Symbian only allows you to select packet data connections rather than WiFi17:29
DocScrutinizerhah, yeah17:30
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DocScrutinizerlemme see what's time for a hotfix indoors now17:31
MohammadAGthe N86's fix was from cold boot after 2 day shutdown, 200km from where it was, and indoors17:32
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: might still qualify as a hotfix (or warmfix at least ;-D)17:32
MohammadAGit's not's fault17:33
jogaDocScrutinizer, yeah :) the easy debian image also has build tools included so it was a no-brainer17:33
DocScrutinizercold boot: doesn't matter possibly. 2 day shutdown: as well might be in stored alm/eph timerange. 200km offset: doesn't matter much either17:33
* DocScrutinizer has a frowning glance at N900 clock being >60s fast17:35
DocScrutinizermight explain a lot17:35
DocScrutinizeractually 55s17:36
* DocScrutinizer tries to recall what he did to fix that time sync mess17:37
SpeedEvil'gps recorder' app tume-syncs.17:40
DocScrutinizerhmm, I'm not inclined to call this gps-recorder via alarmed once a day17:41
DocScrutinizerthought I had ntpd installed and running once17:41
SpeedEviland yes17:41
DocScrutinizeror maybe I kicked it because it hogged data17:41
SpeedEviltht's probably tehe more sane way17:42
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DocScrutinizercall ntpd -q once a day per alarmed is what I like to get17:42
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DocScrutinizermeh, got neither on IroN90017:43
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DocScrutinizersync-time-now-widget - Status menu widget: button to sync time with rdate (from
trumeeDocScrutinizer, i found ntpdate binary from somewhere17:45
SpeedEvilWhy do I have openntpd installed, yet it wouldn't sync when battery was out17:45
trumeei use it manually though.17:45
DocScrutinizerwhy doesn't apt-cache search ntp  find any (open)ntpd ?17:45
DocScrutinizertrumee: where from?17:45
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: openntpd17:46
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search '.*NTP.*'17:47
DocScrutinizeropenntpd - OpenBSD NTP daemon17:47
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: There is the silly solution I've used on a few devices - ssh root@foo date `date`17:49
SpeedEvil(with the appropriate format strigs and flags.17:49
DocScrutinizeropenrdate - sets the system's date from a remote host17:49
* DocScrutinizer likes SpeedEvil 's solution way better17:50
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n900-dkDid the latest CCSU touch wifi-setup? I seem to loose wifi connection very often now in my kicthen, and didn't change anything at AP or set up new walls :)  No issues before. And not to blame CSSU!, just curious.18:05
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DocScrutinizerno, afaik all about WLAN is completely untouched in CSSU18:18
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* angelox|laptop cried and his n900 worked battery charging turned off18:25
* angelox|laptop thinks that his n900 has emotional issues18:26
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DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: sorry, your post before last doesn't parse18:28
DocScrutinizern900 worked battery charging turned off18:29
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angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, the thing is: n900 and some other arm phones (a1200 for example) are crazy,and we shouldn't interfere in it's life18:30
angelox|laptopwhat i did was update it OTA18:30
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n900-dkHow do I disable syslogd start without uninstall?18:33
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DocScrutinizermv /etc/event.d/sysklogd /root/backup/etc/event.d/sysklogd18:38
n900-dkperfect, thanks!18:40
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angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: a question: when we do charge the phone 'turned off', the kernel is loaded,or the current goes directly to the chip charge? (bq24something)?18:41
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SpeedEvilIt depends.18:42
SpeedEvilIf it's solid yellow, then it's doing it without the OS18:42
SpeedEvilIf it's flashing yellow, but 'off' then the OS is booted, and acting dead18:42
DocScrutinizerit first starts an autonomous charging controlled by hw (chip) only, until battery is charged enough to startup kernel18:42
DocScrutinizeralso see18:43
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover18:43
angelox|laptopand that way (flatbatrecover) is to force without the os ?18:43
angelox|laptopi mean,only going to chip18:44
DocScrutinizerit is the hw way, yes18:44
DocScrutinizeronly kicks in on very low battery18:44
DocScrutinizerand reaches only until battery is up to some 3.6V18:44
angelox|laptopah ok18:45
DocScrutinizerthen system tries to boot up, and steady amber becomes flashing amber18:45
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angelox|laptophmm i see. steady amber = hw only ; flashing amber = hw and os18:45
DocScrutinizerif your bq24150 chip is defect, then this flatbatrecover won't work either18:45
DocScrutinizerif your system is fsckdup then it will happily do flatbatrecover, and bork on "booting" to act_dead flashing amber18:46
angelox|laptopand if my maemo is defect,another distro would charge18:46
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DocScrutinizerif that other distro can charge then yes18:47
angelox|laptopmeego can't,right?18:47
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DocScrutinizerbut first you eeded to boot into that other distro. I dunno of any method other than uBoot to boot into any non-maemo OS from cold18:48
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NIN102DocScrutinizer: flasher?18:48
DocScrutinizerunclear though18:48
angelox|laptopor flashing the kernel18:48
DocScrutinizerdepends on battery18:48
DocScrutinizerflashing doesn't work on flat battery18:49
DocScrutinizerunclear if booting via flasher works on very low battery18:49
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DocScrutinizerNIN102: you had birthday? ;-D18:50
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NIN102lol xD18:50
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DocScrutinizerwhat might work almost always is charging via backupmenu18:52
* angelox|laptop is going to install backupmenu18:52
angelox|laptopand it takes too much time to charge?18:52
DocScrutinizerit doesn't depend much on anything of the regular maemo system18:52
NIN102this is an initrd for battery charging.18:52
DocScrutinizerNIN102: cool shit18:53
DocScrutinizerwill it work on flat battery as well?18:53
NIN102That I don't know.18:53
DocScrutinizerthat's the crux18:54
DocScrutinizercan/will NOLO load an initrd when battery is extremely low18:54
DocScrutinizerso this still holds true: [2011-09-11 17:49:31] <DocScrutinizer> unclear if booting via flasher works on very low battery18:55
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DocScrutinizerand waves (dinner calling)18:56
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kevin_bdoes someone know where is the Qt community repository used for 4.7.4?19:01
angelox|laptopto h-e-n i really need install a kernel from extras-devel?19:01
kevin_bI'd like it to build QtHelp19:01
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DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: for h-e-n to work you need power kernel, yes19:03
angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, i thought it already were at extras-testing or just on the main repository19:04
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: for you don't need PK19:04
angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, i see. but i'm installing it for testing a new adaptor i've bought19:04
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: dunno which PK version is avaolable from where19:05
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: basically hostmode is all kernel patchwork19:06
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DocScrutinizerthe gui is just, well a gui19:06
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angelox|laptopi see19:08
DocScrutinizerh-e-n is 90% kernel patches, 8% booston, and 2% gui19:08
DocScrutinizerso 90% of hostmode/h-e-n come with PK, 10% come with "the app"19:09
angelox|laptopi understand now19:09
angelox|laptopapt-get install hostmode-gui doesn't do 'anything'19:09
DocScrutinizernot really,yeah19:10
DocScrutinizerit gives yiu a GUI that will complain about kernel not providing hostmode functions19:10
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* joga <3 h-e-n19:15
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* Sicelo too19:20
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* angelox|laptop too19:24
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eichiHello. What is the easiest way to code setting saving in a pygtk allpication on maemo5?20:06
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eichiis gconf the easiest way for small preferences?20:27
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angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, when in backupmenu,to charge what should i do?20:53
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DocScrutinizerit charges automatically, and signals doing so by increasing backlight brightness20:55
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RST38hDoc: Sorry for asking again, what should I do with my fingers to bring up that quick access icon toolbar in Harmattan?20:56
DocScrutinizerit however does NOT check if everything ok with charging, or maybe charger fsckdup20:56
DocScrutinizerslide up lockscreen some 10mm and hold for 2s20:56
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: gotit?20:58
javispedrohold the device in portrait20:58
javispedrootherwhise it doesn't show up20:58
DocScrutinizerfor lockscreen it's been unambiguous20:59
RST38hDoc: Ah, thanks21:00
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DocScrutinizerhory I got a black wallpaper on lockscreen21:00
RST38hNah, does not work here21:01
RST38hI wonder why...21:01
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DocScrutinizeryou need to slide lockscreen up (from outside screen, so it's a "swipe"?) so much that the time display vanishes21:02
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DocScrutinizerand it doesn't work when kbd opened21:03
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DocScrutinizerand today my "3" = " " \o/21:03
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: just hold the "closed" device in portrait orientation, doubletap or push power to show lockscreen, then slide up some 10..20mm from very bottom of screen, sliding out the huge time display upwards, and *hold*21:07
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RST38hIt worked for me. ONCE.21:10
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MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> and it doesn't work when kbd opened21:20
MohammadAGyou can21:20
MohammadAGit just has to be top up21:20
MohammadAG(which is retarded)21:21
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MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> slide up lockscreen some 10mm and hold for 2s21:21
MohammadAGany slide up works21:21
RST38hlooks like an unusable feature21:21
MohammadAGeven 0.1mm21:21
RST38has I have only been able to bring it up once =)21:21
MohammadAGhold the device in a 90 degree top up21:22
DocScrutinizeryou're sure you're not in ISS where's no up and down?21:22
MohammadAGas in as flat as your wall21:22
MohammadAGI find it useful for quick calls21:22
MohammadAGjust the top up thing makes it useless at times21:22
DocScrutinizerindeed, if you hold it landscape wise up, then place flat on table, it doesn't work. Hold it portrait up, place down on table flat and it works - bwahaha21:24
DocScrutinizerAFK (rain starts, have to run)21:24
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DocScrutinizerMEH too late21:25
RST38hjust enjoy it =)21:25
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trumeeMy linux pc doesnt show the FAT partition in /dev/sde, cfdisk reports that /dev/sde has no partitions. strange21:56
trumeeah, /dev/sde doesnt have any partitions. It is mounted straightaway to /media/Nokia N90021:57
trumeei thought all drives need to have partitions.21:57
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MoonTigerahhhh great white text on the input box22:07
binditrumee: what :D22:08
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Sc0rpiuswhy would he think this is football related?22:09
trumeeiirc there was a thread about a football live stream22:09
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ErwinJungetrumee: That's surprisingly funny :)22:10
trumeeErwinJunge: relief from the trolling in that thread.22:11
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ErwinJungeAlso, wow. 14 pages in a single day.22:11
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trumees***loads of spam on tmo. where are the mods?22:16
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n900-dkIs it possible the see somewhere, what the lovely, brilliant, clever CSSU guys are working on for the next CSSU?22:43
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Sc0rpiusor in the CSSU wiki maybe22:45
n900-dkHmm, I'm not sure how a look at the git will inform me..22:46
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NIN102commit comments, you don't always have to look at the code changes.22:47
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MohammadAGI'll admit I'm working on Harmattan now :P22:48
n900-dkyeah, but doesn't really give me a clue22:48
njsf_Speaking of Harmattan… How would a US resident get a hold of either a N9 or N950, given that he has not registered any Maemo app due to the whole Elopcalypse?  And by get a hold I am considering forking some ca$h to the tune of the one I forked for the N900 ?22:50
NIN102you can all switch to harmattan, I'll be forever N900 loyal  and the last user who leaves #maemo :P22:50
Sc0rpiuswhat's Harmattan for you?22:51
NIN102no. More like maemo6.22:52
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njsf_I guess Harmattan for me is the MeeGo API yes, plus a more updated hardware ;)22:52
Sc0rpiusand what device has Harmattan22:52
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Sc0rpiusN9 has Meego22:52
NIN102It's harmattan.22:53
MohammadAGwho said switch22:53
MohammadAGI've had the N950 since August, and you still see CSSU updates more than ever :p22:53
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Sc0rpiusNokia N9 and maybe a software like Swype/SlideIT that Android devices has and it would be the perfect phone22:54
MohammadAGgiven I'm not the one providing patches, but I'm still integrating updates22:54
njsf_MohammadAG: would a US Nokia employee be able to easily get a hold of either a N9 or N950 ?22:54
MohammadAGyou're the employee, not me22:54
MohammadAGSc0rpius, Swype is on the N922:55
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njsf_I am not… I just know one… And I thought you were a Nokia employee. Sorry if I am mistaken then22:55
MohammadAGI wish22:55
MohammadAGwell given the current circumstances inside Nokia, I might want to take back that wish :p22:56
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n900-dkMohammadAG: Guess you could easily get a job there, if you wanted to :)22:56
MohammadAGwithout a cert? :P22:57
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Siceloand WP7 knowledge ;)22:57
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MohammadAGwhere the fuck are tmo mods22:59
njsf_Damn :( It seems my contact left Nokia US…22:59
njsf_Can't blame him tho23:00
DocScrutinizerhehe, I lured the lightning with lasers... IT WORKED :-P (me glares at his smoking DSL routermodem)23:00
DocScrutinizerjust my ears still ringing23:00
Sc0rpiusI think tmo mods bought Android phones or something23:01
Sc0rpiusthey're totally MIA23:01
MohammadAGso I need to do this presentation or something at uni in hebrew tomorrow23:01
MohammadAGwell, in 8 hours to be exact23:01
MohammadAGand I have no idea what to talk about23:01
Sc0rpiuswhat's the presentation about23:02
DocScrutinizerfunny thing: my TV survived23:02
MohammadAGSc0rpius, anything you want, that's why I have no idea what to talk about :p23:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, did you?23:02
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure23:02
n900-dkWhat field do you study?23:03
DocScrutinizerwas a strange effect when it flashed and cracked and then everything was just silence and darkness23:03
MohammadAGright now? prestudies23:03
MohammadAGhebrew for the first two months, then a year of physics + maths23:03
MohammadAGand english, hahahaha23:04
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DocScrutinizermath, ouch23:04
MohammadAGthat's easy23:04
n900-dkSo you will end up as... a genious?23:04
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MohammadAGno, you'll end up ready for the first actual year of uni23:05
DocScrutinizersome say he's already there23:05
DocScrutinizerhe'll end up as an ex-genius ;-P23:05
MohammadAGwhether I study CS or CE is another thing23:05
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MohammadAGI love backtraces like these23:06
MohammadAG#0  0x00000010 in ?? ()23:06
MohammadAG#1  0x3c98c8f0 in QGraphicsWidget::~QGraphicsWidget() () from /usr/lib/
peterbjornxzdocscrutinizer, explain???23:06
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peterbjornxDocScrutinizerhehe, I lured the lightning with lasers... IT WORKED  (me glares at his smoking DSL routermodem)23:07
DocScrutinizerthe devastating effects of higher education on your creativity?23:07
DocScrutinizerwell, I shot he clouds with my 200mW green laser - looked nice with all the raindrops twinkling23:08
DocScrutinizer20s later a lightning hit my house23:09
DocScrutinizerand fried my DSL23:09
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DocScrutinizerI think to cause this effect for real I'd need a 2MW laser, to ionize the air along the beam23:10
n900-dkHow is MfE in Meego/Harmattan? Is it working and a part of it?23:10
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Then it would hit you/the laser instead of the house. Is that really something you want? :)23:10
DocScrutinizernot really, that's why I stopped ;-P23:10
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ErwinJungeAfter reading through the donations thread, one post really popped out to me: --> The part about merging with Debian. How possible/impossible would this be?23:11
n900-dkWill the device present it self as provisionable to Exchange?23:12
DocScrutinizernow for step 2: replacing direct PPPoE access from my PC to the spare DSL modem by a properly configured d-link router23:12
DocScrutinizerbut first: dinner23:13
DocScrutinizerthen maybe first have a look into that smoked up ZyXEL. It has loose parts falling around inside now X-D23:14
MohammadAG<3 TP-Link23:14
MohammadAGD-Link always sucked for me, except the first one I bought23:15
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peterbjornxive experimented with lasers, but never knew lasers could ionize the air and trigger a discharge23:15
MrOppositehow do I install the Frontier::Client thingi for perl23:15
MrOppositewhen I try it complains about gzip not accepting the --decompress flag23:16
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NIN102ErwinJunge: Well, there is ofono, working. Recently I made an phone call, but without sound, but that is possible as meego-ce proves. Besides that, it's probably Nokia N8X0 status, but this can change in the future.23:16
jrayhawkIt may have also been evaporating raindrops enough to make a decent pathway.23:17
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ErwinJungeNIN102: So this is theoretically possible? I'd absolutely love the idea of a full debian on the phone while retaining phone functions. I guess all the closed Nokia apps are a big problem?23:18
NIN102theoretically, yes.23:19
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NIN102You can basically take a look at what works in meego-ce, and this can also work more or less in Debian, using meego kernel.23:21
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ErwinJungeNIN102: Interesting, thanks.23:23
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user232need to get a wireless network adapter to connect to a router23:24
user232just dont know how thats possible without a gui23:24
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user232something like wicd-gtk perhaps for this device23:24
user232or getting the default user interface to use wlan023:25
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DocScrutinizerpeterbjornx: will need mega pulses to ionize air23:25
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user232DocScrutinizer : possible ?23:26
DocScrutinizerno way you ionize normal atmospheric gas with a 200mW laser23:26
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DocScrutinizeruser232: hm? set up wireless without gui? I think iwconfig and ifconfig are your friend23:27
DocScrutinizeror you tweak a few config files next to icd, if that'S about fremantle maemo23:28
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DocScrutinizereven gconf keys23:29
user232will use iwconfig, seems simple23:30
user232good to know its possible23:30
DocScrutinizer  might help23:30
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thomasvsAnyone know where I can find fremantle maemosec-tools debs for x86 scratchbox?23:31
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MohammadAGbuild them23:32
user232look who's here23:32
pabs3ErwinJunge: probably the non-free stuff will be a big issue, maybe is enough of a replacement though (slowly entering Debian), especially since SHR folks are working on N900 support23:33
user232the guy that's on all app credits i've got installed23:33
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user232gona disconnect and give what DocScrutinizer suggested a test23:34
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ZogGhey, anyone from holland?23:35
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ErwinJungepabs3: Thanks for that link. Apparently there are a lot more projects going on than I thought :)23:37
ErwinJungeZogG: Yes, why do you ask?23:37
ZogGErwinJunge wonder if you have n9 and what are the prices?23:37
MohammadAG<user232> the guy that's on all app credits i've got installed23:38
MohammadAGwas that me or something? :P23:38
pabs3ErwinJunge: SHR: shr-project.org23:38
pabs3ErwinJunge: Debian smartphone thoughts:
pabs3ErwinJunge: recent mobile BoF at DebConf11 minutes:
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ErwinJungeZogG: Apparently, not (yet). As in, I can't find a shop selling it at this time and I have no idea if it will release here or when.23:40
pabs3ErwinJunge: there was someone looking to be elected to the Maemo governance thing on the basis of merging with Debian23:40
pabs3ErwinJunge: Jeremiah Foster23:41
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ZogGErwinJunge it wouldn't be released in my country but my friend goes to there, so...23:41
ErwinJungeZogG: No problem, but this is the limit of my knowledge on the subject though :)23:42
ErwinJungepabs3: Wow, thanks for all those links. Bookmarked to read tomorrow.23:42
pabs3ErwinJunge: disclaimer (as a Debian member and someone owning an OpenMoko I'm very biased)23:43
ZogGErwinJunge what about hp touchpad btw23:43
ErwinJungeZogG: Not at the decreased pricepoint, that's US only I believe.23:43
njsf_Hmmm I guess I might have a shot at buying a N9 after all23:45
njsf_It might be available when I travel to Portugal later in the year23:45
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ZogGnjsf_, yeah, why not, make me feel worse23:45
user32after that, what needs to be done to share the PCs internet with the device23:46
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njsf_Sorry ZogG. Hey… If I manage to get my hands on one I'll say something here and I can can get one for another US resident then23:46
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ZogGnjsf_ it would be ironic but i'm from god forgotten country23:48
user32and how's that done without udev ?23:48
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ZogGuser32 what are you trying to do?23:50
user32share the internet connection23:51
ZogGfrom n900 or with n900?23:51
peterbjornxzogGi am dutch23:51
ZogGpeterbjornx so?23:52
user32ZogG : with23:52
ZogGuser32 don't you have wi-fi?23:52
user32peterbjornx : he's dutch23:52
ZogGpeterbjornx, or you mean you are from netherland?23:53
user32no <ZogG>23:53
peterbjornxi am23:53
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ZogGpeterbjornx, i think ErwinJunge already answered me that there is no n9 to get there =(23:54
ZogGbtw what are the prices for it?23:55
ZogGi mean in Ue where it is available23:55
ErwinJungeZogG: Btw, where are you from? Can't you just ebay it or something?23:55
ZogGErwinJunge wouldn't buy such expensive things over ebay23:56
ErwinJungePaypal gives you buyer protection, so I don't see your point.23:57
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ZogGif i get something wrong all the shipping back and nervs don't worth it23:58
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ZogGuser32 did you follow guide?23:58

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