| DocScrutinizer | no | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just wondering if your booston.sh looks like it should | 00:00 |
| angelox|laptop | i'll pastebin and download the raw patch | 00:02 |
| angelox|laptop | raw file* | 00:02 |
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| angelox|laptop | can you upload it somewhere? stills don't working | 00:04 |
| angelox|laptop | and if i install h-e-n? | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston | 00:06 |
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| angelox|laptop | ./booston: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found | 00:08 |
| angelox|laptop | again | 00:08 |
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| bindi | how can I make blessn900 open instead of the default one when camera lense is opened? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I dunno what this error suggests | 00:11 |
| Sicelo | i get that error too :/ | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's obviously missing the " of the original | 00:11 |
| angelox|laptop | btw,about the warranty shop i went,there were about 3 tickets in a reclain website about the same SHOP,same PROBLEM,same PHONE :( | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# which run-standalone.sh | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# which dbus-send | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/dbus-send | 00:12 |
| angelox|laptop | Nokia-N900:~# which run-standalone.sh | 00:13 |
| angelox|laptop | /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh | 00:13 |
| angelox|laptop | Nokia-N900:~# which dbus-send | 00:13 |
| angelox|laptop | /usr/bin/dbus-send | 00:13 |
| angelox|laptop | Nokia-N900:~# | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I uploaded a bugfixed version | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | it misssed a line for i2cget :-o | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's sth odd with my shell scripting foo | 00:16 |
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| angelox|laptop | i'll turn my device off | 00:17 |
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| angelox|laptop | There's any *stable* release of MeeGo for N900? I think maybe it charge,since strangely it charged my device | 00:18 |
| bindi | bah.. cant change the font of desktop command execution widget | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I uploaded another fixed version | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | embarrassing | 00:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how this ever could've worked on his t900 | 00:19 | |
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| bindi | what's the difference between BMe and BME alternative | 00:20 |
| bindi | looking at pybattery settings | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is pybattery? | 00:21 |
| bindi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905 | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ cya all | 00:22 |
| bindi | but I had another question :( | 00:22 |
| bindi | how do I make blessn900 the default app | 00:22 |
| bindi | oh hello | 00:22 |
| bindi | googling is actually working | 00:22 |
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| bindi | umm | 00:29 |
| bindi | i installed camera lens launcher and set the preferred application to blessn900 | 00:29 |
| bindi | guess what happens when i open the cover | 00:29 |
| bindi | nothing | 00:29 |
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| smhar | I am in the search for a good case for my N900 with a belt clip, but the ones I found on ebay say "Magnet may place your device into sleep mode, but will not harm your device". any idea what does this mean? | 03:04 |
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| angelox|laptop | related? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36194 | 03:06 |
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| smhar | thanks angelox|laptop | 03:13 |
| infobot | sure thing, smhar | 03:13 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 03:16 |
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| smhar | seems a magnet case is a no option for me :-( | 03:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: useless | 03:44 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 03:44 | |
| jrayhawk | The PDair aluminum case doesn't use magnets, and works fairly well with the Noreve metal belt clip. | 03:44 |
| Macer | 03:44 | |
| Macer | looks like apple won huh? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 03:45 |
| Macer | heh | 03:45 |
| jrayhawk | Though PDair themselves will sell your email address to spammers, so its up to you whether you want to support them. | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll sue them off the planet's surface for infringing my patents on using light for displaying info on a flat surface | 03:45 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course my (R) end (foo) on white cases | 03:46 |
| Macer | what exactly did they sue them for? i thought it was also similarities with how the os looked | 03:46 |
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| Macer | i know a galaxy s sure did look like it was trying its hardest to look like an iphone | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, a device with flat surface and round corners | 03:47 |
| Macer | so does that mean my transformer is next? | 03:47 |
| Macer | :-) | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | apple invented the round corners | 03:47 |
| Macer | it has rounded corners | 03:48 |
| psycho_oreos | smhar, I'm guessing it also depends on how strong the magnet is and if you have your N900 in a extra case like otterbox. I have bought a generic leather case with magnet and have my N900 inside otterbox, when I place my N900 into the generic leather case I place it with the screen facing towards my body. | 03:48 |
| Macer | it is eu tho | 03:48 |
| Macer | nobody can buy stuff there either | 03:48 |
| Macer | other than in germany | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope this whole nonsense will severely damage their corporate image | 03:49 |
| Macer | yeah. they are really overdoing it | 03:49 |
| Macer | are they suing in the us as well? | 03:49 |
| Macer | i know i heard japan was the next country | 03:50 |
| psycho_oreos | smhar, of course my generic leather case has a belt clip on it | 03:50 |
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| jrayhawk | The Noreve n900 cases also use mechanical fasteners. | 04:01 |
| jrayhawk | and support belt clips. | 04:01 |
| smhar | jrayhawk, searching | 04:01 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iro26b9VTKQ | 04:02 |
| Macer | belt clips are really lame | 04:03 |
| Macer | :) | 04:04 |
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| jrayhawk | Thusfar I've only found plastic button-release belt clips and metal orientation-release belt clips and I would really like to find a metal button-release belt clip. | 04:08 |
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| n900-dk | Any of you guys using MfE? | 04:42 |
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| n900-dk | I need the output of 'gconftool-2 -R /apps/activesync' (of course stripped for account info) | 04:46 |
| angelox|laptop | good night people | 04:51 |
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| Strengths | the problems listed for me with SSU update are: "packages missing: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet" <- where can I find these to manually dpkg? or what do I need to uninstall to bypass this? | 05:19 |
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| Ken-Young | When I try to install CSSU (I had to reflash my N900) I get the message "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. Connect the device to your PC via a USB cable and launch the application." I have no PC (no windoze PC), is it no longer possible to install CSSU without a PC? | 05:29 |
| Strengths | Ken-Young: look in the "problems" tab when viewing the details | 05:30 |
| Strengths | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ | 05:31 |
| Strengths | my issue is that apt-get doesn't work on the two packages I need: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet | 05:32 |
| Ken-Young | Strengths Thanks! | 05:32 |
| Ken-Young | Strengths, Where is the "problems" tab - I see no such tab on the application manager, just a "Create backup" button. | 05:34 |
| Strengths | "Package modest-home-applet is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has be obsolete, or is onlyh available from another source" | 05:34 |
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| Strengths | how can I find the other package that refers to that one? and will getting rid of the other package mean I can update the SSU? | 05:36 |
| Strengths | Ken-Young: click the "Details" button instead of the "Continue" button | 05:36 |
| Ken-Young | Thanks again. | 05:38 |
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| n900-dk | Strengths: Won't 'apt-get check' list the broken dependencies? | 05:43 |
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| Strengths | n900-dk: that read the package lists, built the dependency tree and read the state information... Done | 05:47 |
| Strengths | no other info | 05:47 |
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| n900-dk | and you can't use 'apt-get install modest-home-applet'? | 05:48 |
| Strengths | that's what I tried and got the above message | 05:49 |
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| Strengths | n900-dk: this is my hildon-application-manager.list http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1328578 | 06:09 |
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| MohammadAG | modest-home-applet lives in Nokia Apps repo afaik | 06:33 |
| MohammadAG | check HAM, you may have that disabled | 06:33 |
| Strengths | MohammadAG: is that just the App Manager? That runs | 06:35 |
| Ken-Young | MohammadAG, WHen I launch CSSU features, I get the error message "Reding the configuration settings gave a FATAL ERROR while loading. Not all settings available. Exiting." Do you know how I can fix that problem? | 06:36 |
| MohammadAG | yes, ham = hildon app manager | 06:36 |
| MohammadAG | Ken-Young, no idea, we didn't develop that app | 06:37 |
| Strengths | yeah, I'm stumped how to proceed from here | 06:37 |
| Ken-Young | MohammadAG, OK, thanks. | 06:37 |
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| MohammadAG | tap the title bar, tap catalogues, find Nokia Apps/SSU, tap it, check it's not disabled, save | 06:37 |
| Strengths | hmm.. taking an awful long time before displaying catalogs | 06:41 |
| Strengths | ok, Sytem Software updates was disabled, enabling now | 06:42 |
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| Strengths | not sure why it was disabled | 06:42 |
| Strengths | perhaps I thought the Community SSU replaced the need for it? | 06:43 |
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| Strengths | MohammadAG: That fixed it, Community SSU is downloading now :) Thanks! | 06:45 |
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| Ken-Young | Once CSSU is installed, how does one enable the automatic transition between landscape and portrait modes driven by the accelerometers? | 06:48 |
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| Strengths | hmm.. on restarting the phone, I get a notification: "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". Rebooting just gives the same error :/ Any ideas MohammadAG? | 07:04 |
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| Strengths | uh-oh, a google search reveals nothing short of a replacement will fix that :P (or rehot rapuyama and gazoo, whatever that is) | 07:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | those are the two main modemchips | 12:17 |
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| jylan | /join #tmo | 13:05 |
| psycho_oreos | ... fail? | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | #tmo ?? | 13:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | Hmm | 13:14 |
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| FIQ|n900 | I tried to insert some dejavu font's in /usr/share/fonts, but they doesn't seem to be recongnized | 13:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | Am I doing something wrong? | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pooooooh #tmo, bah! | 13:16 |
| jylan | was blindly checking rooms... | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 13:17 |
| jylan | silly space slash mistake | 13:18 |
| psycho_oreos | FIQ|n900, you might want to have a look at how android fonts work or even nokia-pure fonts work | 13:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | more like there was a space in between :) | 13:18 |
| jylan | between where? | 13:19 |
| psycho_oreos | you had a space in between what you said and the forward slash to tell your IRC client that what you wrote was meant to be a command | 13:19 |
| jylan | ah yep, that's what I meant before :) | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 13:21 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 13:21 | |
| psycho_oreos | ah | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ah? | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | peaceful 9-11 to the world! | 13:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | ah as in to what jylan said heh | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Strengths: and yes, reflow-heating those two chips (Rapuyama and Gazoo) might fix a "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error." permanent failure | 13:25 |
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| FIQ|n900 | ah, had to use fc-conf | 13:26 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders where and how to store that factoid | 13:27 | |
| FIQ|n900 | er, fc-cache* | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe the "keywords: fonts, /usr/share/fonts, truetype, change font, fc-conf, available fonts, add font" will help google to point to this very chanlog location ;-D | 13:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 13:30 |
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| FIQ|n900 | and, fc-cache, not fc-conf as said, typo | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and "linux" | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, and X11 | 13:32 |
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| biston | i finally got my n900 broken | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | :'( | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | what happened? | 13:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | how come? | 13:32 |
| biston | no idea, at first i was facing problems with the battery | 13:33 |
| biston | like it wud be 70%, i'd play a lil game of sudoku and all of a sudden the battery's empty | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that bad yet | 13:34 |
| biston | later on, i wud recharge the phone, when i unplug the charger, the phone wud still think it is still plugged in | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 13:34 |
| biston | yesterday, i was recharging it, suddenly it turned off, and wudnt turn back on | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | get a new battery | 13:34 |
| biston | luckily i backup my phone every other day and i keep the backup on my pc | 13:34 |
| biston | yea its sunday | 13:34 |
| biston | im not sure i can wait 24 more hours to get my phone online again | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's happening when you just plug in wallwart charger? | 13:35 |
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| biston | wallwart ? | 13:35 |
| Macer | ugh. played basketball yesterday and my entire body is going to die | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia fastcharger | 13:35 |
| biston | im looking for a way to migrate the contacts from the backup files to a symbian phone | 13:36 |
| biston | ah, i dont have that, i have the genuine nokia chargers | 13:36 |
| Macer | tigerdirect got a shipment of touchpads and they sold out in 1 hour | 13:36 |
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| Macer | HP probably made a mistake in abandoning it | 13:36 |
| biston | MohammadAG are you available ? | 13:36 |
| Macer | they could sell it cheaper than the rest and continue development on webos | 13:37 |
| Macer | :) | 13:37 |
| Macer | i'm sure they will still make a profit | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | afaik its not going to be easy converting maemo contacts into symbian if you have a dead N900 to boot ontop of all that | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Not at $99 | 13:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | At $99, you can't buy the parts, even in volume | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price | 13:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm | 13:38 |
| biston | psycho_oreos there must be some solution | 13:38 |
| biston | even a db reader wud work for me | 13:38 |
| biston | i'll create the contacts 1 by 1 on ovi suite and sync them | 13:38 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: you might be abe to for a little bit more | 13:38 |
| Macer | maybe 200 | 13:38 |
| psycho_oreos | biston, there would be a solution yes, but not as easy imo | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price | 13:39 |
| Macer | ouch | 13:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | make cheap products, then when everyone has one (or at least very many), be nice to devs and take 30% of profit from apps, profit?! | 13:39 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: they could have made it up with licensing | 13:39 |
| Macer | lol | 13:39 |
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| FIQ|n900 | i don't really see why devs should not take a look at the webOS platform, there's few apps but MANY webOS owners | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: that's the scheme Nokia tries to copy from $fruitphone and will fail epically on it | 13:40 |
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| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer, hm :P | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually already did | 13:41 |
| Macer | $fruitphone? hahaha | 13:41 |
| Macer | i think hp could have found a way to cut costs on the touchpad | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia's shift from hw manuf to content provider (or sth silly like that) been anounced quite some years(?) ago | 13:42 |
| Macer | i still find it hard to believe they can't cover the cost at 200 heh | 13:42 |
| Macer | maybe even 150 | 13:42 |
| Macer | i'm sure even a transformer costs like 100 per unit to make | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: the screen alone is probably like 100 bucks in quantities, in Hongkong | 13:43 |
| Macer | hm | 13:43 |
| Macer | the touchpad has that pull out screen extension doesn't it? | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you have to ask for 3 times your sourcing costs, for a rule of thumb | 13:43 |
| tank-man | http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx | 13:46 |
| Macer | http://www.precentral.net/how-much-does-touchpad-cost-hp-build | 13:46 |
| Macer | tank-man: heh | 13:46 |
| Macer | beat you to it ? :) | 13:46 |
| Macer | i stand corrected | 13:46 |
| tank-man | most expensive components are the display+touchscreen | 13:47 |
| Macer | yeah. like 130 for both | 13:47 |
| n900-dk | is MfE closed source or would CSSU team be able to fidle with it? | 13:47 |
| psycho_oreos | MfE? | 13:47 |
| ruskie | closed iirc | 13:48 |
| Macer | mail for exchange | 13:48 |
| Macer | the worst exchange app ever made | 13:48 |
| Macer | :) | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: tank-man: why not just believe me? way easier ;-D | 13:48 |
| n900-dk | hehe, but bether than nothing if you are going to use Exchange | 13:48 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: rule of thumb is to never believe someone on irc | 13:48 |
| Macer | :) | 13:49 |
| n900-dk | what would it take to make a clone of MfE, is it possible? | 13:50 |
| pabs3 | what does MfE do? | 13:50 |
| Macer | i am sending my n900 to my buddy to solder a new usb port back on | 13:50 |
| Macer | i can't do it | 13:50 |
| Macer | was wondering if there was something cool he can do to the usb port while he is doing it? | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: I'd not think this rule of thumb implies you can trust in web pages | 13:50 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: depends on the web page ;) | 13:51 |
| n900-dk | pabs3: Sync mail/calender against Exchange server | 13:51 |
| Macer | i wouldn't trust truthfulinformation.cn | 13:51 |
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| Macer | maybe a hosting adapter? | 13:51 |
| Macer | or boosting the power so the phone can power another phone? | 13:52 |
| Macer | :) | 13:52 |
| Macer | or can he add a laser beam to the usb port | 13:52 |
| pabs3 | n900-dk: IIRC the evolution desktop mail client has support for that, so maybe you can steal code from there | 13:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer tatoos "FOOL" on Macer's buttocks with a 50W CO2-laser | 13:53 | |
| Macer | :) | 13:53 |
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| Macer | would be nice to have a 50W CO2 laser built into my n900 | 13:53 |
| Macer | i might need an extended battery tho :/ | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a proper laser pointer | 13:54 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: can't wire it up to something and make an app to turn it on? | 13:54 |
| Macer | :) | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | 1nm-1mm, 1nW-1GW, 360 degrees to 0 degrees. | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | 1AAA battery | 13:54 |
| n900-dk | pabs3: Ok thanks, eventhough I'm not able to code :) | 13:55 |
| Macer | oh | 13:55 |
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| Macer | you mean an actual laser pointer | 13:55 |
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| pabs3 | n900-dk: there is no time like the present to learn something new :) | 13:55 |
| Macer | september 11th | 13:55 |
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| Macer | lets see if my 2 tours in iraq has prevented another terrorist attack from happening today | 13:56 |
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| Macer | although i did not see the relationship between iraq and terrorism... but whatever | 13:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wants some paper to wrap it around his tobacco | 13:56 | |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: don't use bible paper | 13:57 |
| Macer | use a pipe | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no bible here, so no risk this might happen | 13:57 |
| bindi | hm | 13:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer fetches his pipe | 13:57 | |
| bindi | any idea why camera lens launcher doesnt do anything when i tell it to open the preferred application, which is blessn900 | 13:57 |
| bindi | but the popup menu works, where I can select blessn900 | 13:57 |
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| Strengths | DocScrutinizer: Oh I see, RAPUYAMA = baseband, GAZOO = PMU | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | bindi, and does it work if you execute blessn900 manually? | 13:59 |
| ErwinJunge | Odd. My sim card sometimes goes missing and then comes back again. I reflashed yesterday, so I guess it's a hardware issue, but it's puzzles me that it drops at random. | 13:59 |
| Strengths | I don't really, that's just a copy paste from googling your nick in IRC logs of this channel :P | 14:00 |
| bindi | psycho_oreos: how manually? from the n900 menu and the popup menu, both weork | 14:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | bindi, don't understand by popup menu.. isn't that sort of part of camera lens launcher? | 14:01 |
| bindi | psycho_oreos: yeah that | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | bindi, so if its the same and you said the popup works along with your menu, then where's the issue? that you don't get a popup menu at all? | 14:01 |
| bindi | i think i was unclear | 14:02 |
| bindi | camera lens launcher has 3 options | 14:02 |
| bindi | use preferred application, popup menu, or do nothing | 14:02 |
| bindi | preferred application = blessn900 - doesnt work | 14:02 |
| bindi | popup menu, select blessn900 = works | 14:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | ahh preferred application part doesn't work, no I haven't personally tried that | 14:02 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Any idea what could cause seemingly random sim missing events after which the sim comes back at seemingly random times? | 14:03 |
| jylan | bindi: confirmed not working for me as well... | 14:05 |
| bindi | perhaps it is time to file a bug report | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: hw contact problems, or other random fails of modem hw | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even SIM itself may show such error pattern | 14:06 |
| ErwinJunge | Hm.. any way to figure out which? | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc SpeedEvil was able to reproducably make his SIM "fail" by pressing near "E" key of kbd | 14:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wasn't me | 14:10 |
| ErwinJunge | works though | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | that was someone else I think | 14:10 |
| ErwinJunge | reproducable fix as well? ;) | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | err ShadowJK then? | 14:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | I 'fixed' that behaviour by putting a 3G only SIM in the phone. | 14:11 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia Care fixed it for me after 2 months | 14:11 |
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| ShadowJK | by giving me a new N900 | 14:11 |
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| * SpeedEvil is currently pondering nokia care. | 14:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | Or soldering the USB port back on. | 14:12 |
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| Strengths | "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device, but most likely will need to reflow heat the " | 14:13 |
| ErwinJunge | Nokia Care hasn't been really happily giving new N900s recently. At least here in the Netherlands I know of one person who got an N8 multiple times before finally and after a lot of work from his side getting an N900. Nokia Care claimed it was an "upgrade". | 14:13 |
| Strengths | Rapuyama and Gazoo chips" | 14:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer shudders thinking that even SpeedEvil managed to kift his USB | 14:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lift* | 14:13 |
| Strengths | hehe, now *that* a notification message | 14:13 |
| ShadowJK | is the rapuyama and gazoo thing from forums? | 14:14 |
| Strengths | schematics at http://cellphonediagram.com/wp-content/uploads/NOKIA/nokia%20baru/23mar/N900_RX51_schematics_v2_0.rar | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: To be fair - it was utterly my fault. | 14:14 |
| Macer | haha | 14:14 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: broke it jsut so you could fix it? :) | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - impact on the plug - at a worst case angle from a drop | 14:15 |
| ErwinJunge | Strengths: Is that in reply to my question? | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Dropped it 1.2m or so, onto the plug, on a hard floor | 14:15 |
| Strengths | N2200 - Gazoo, D2800 - Rapuyama listed in http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic#Page_11_RAPUYAMA.2C_GAZOO | 14:15 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i'm sure the crappiness of the usb port in it had something to do with it | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It bent the plug on the adaptor | 14:16 |
| Macer | any other phone would have had a usb port that would have survived that easily | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | the wall adaptor | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's indeed not a case where you could hope it survives | 14:16 |
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| ShadowJK | ErwinJunge, for me it just got worse and worse over a period of a few months, the suggested "fixes" of cleaning contacts or padding did nothing or just slowed down degradation by a day or two | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Strengths: funny you seem to have found an alternative source for the schematics. It's the same version we know since ages, anyway - just checked it | 14:20 |
| Strengths | ok | 14:20 |
| Strengths | so the "v2" is misleading | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | unles they changed stuff without noticing it on first page | 14:21 |
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| ErwinJunge | ShadowJK: Hm... not too happy about that prospect. Thanks for telling me though. | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously I couldn'T compare the whole document (I didn't try a diff though) | 14:22 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Does the "pressing near e leads to missing sim" thing tell you anything useful as to what the cause may be? I'd prefer to have it fixed rather than go through Nokia Care. | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this specific error pattern suggests there've been problems with reflow process leading to por solder joints of the BGA chips | 14:23 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: And would that be fixable? :) I have only a vague idea of what you just said. | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you for example fail to properly preheat the chips for 30+ min, then on soldering you create mech tension when the chips and PCB cool down after reflow | 14:25 |
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| ErwinJunge | Ah, now that I understand :) | 14:25 |
| Strengths | putting the whole phone in an oven to reheat some solder on 2 chips doesn't sound good | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | or chips were exposed to air for too long and so collected humidity | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | which leads to solder joints "boiling out" some water/steam | 14:26 |
| n900-dk | where can I change the schedule for checking for apps updates? | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 14:27 |
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| Strengths | how many N950 dev phones are they going to make? | 14:29 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: So theoretically I could get someone to fix the solder joints of the BGA chips? | 14:30 |
| n900-dk | so I could disable it and use alarmed to do '/usr/libexec/apt-worker.real check-for-updates' at specific time? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | all were made some months ago, probably even a year ago | 14:30 |
| Strengths | instant collectors item | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: some qualified SMT rework shop may be able to reflow the chips, yes | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: probably yes | 14:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | tracker is used to index images and videos and music - correct? | 14:31 |
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| FIQ|n900 | because I don't really do these on N900 | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: never checked the apt-worker.real part | 14:32 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Alright, thanks. I'll try that before going through Nokia Care | 14:32 |
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| FIQ|n900 | can it be disabled? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: yes | 14:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | i guess this will speed up a bit and the battery would be more nice | 14:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm, how? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | tracker config app | 14:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | Ok | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or just edit the config file by hand | 14:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | will check it out | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can set up things like "never run indexing while on battery" | 14:33 |
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| joga | I'm trying to get gcc on n900 to compile a very simple program (talks serial to a usb motor controller over ttyACM0), I found some instructions telling to install a few debs but seems I lack the standard libs | 14:35 |
| joga | someone also mentioned including the sdk repo and doing apt-get build-essential but is that safe? | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 14:36 |
| ErwinJunge | joga: The preferred method is simply using scratchbox, or if you're on Windows esbox. | 14:36 |
| ErwinJunge | s/The/My/ | 14:36 |
| infobot | ErwinJunge meant: joga: My preferred method is simply using scratchbox, or if you're on Windows esbox. | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will most likely cram your rootfs | 14:36 |
| ShadowJK | keep backups, be prepared to reflash, and if apt-get asks ig you're sure you want to blow away your system, say no | 14:37 |
| ShadowJK | s/ig/if | 14:37 |
| bindi | wow | 14:37 |
| bindi | load avg went just up 6.08 for some reason | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | htop is your friend ;-) | 14:37 |
| bindi | using top | 14:37 |
| bindi | apt eating a lot | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's checking for updates I guess | 14:38 |
| bindi | <.< | 14:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | ShadowJK, that reminds me | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | libc6-dev probably needed. Biggest problem is running out of diskspace or accidentally killing something | 14:38 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer, that's what I was afraid of.. | 14:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | apt-get once told me "if you continue, you will be out of root space, continue anyway?" | 14:38 |
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| FIQ|n900 | at least it asked :P | 14:39 |
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| joga | well, I don't strictly have to do this with c anyway, I just happened to have a program ready in c | 14:39 |
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| ShadowJK | I did this on N800 and N810 a few times, never tried it on N900 | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are ways to set up a proper development system on N900. Just needs a lot of work to move everything out of the 250MB rootfs to eMMC | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | easiest is probably just a chroot | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | a build-essential install, followed by cursing and reflash and restoring backups is probably a few magnotudes faster than figuring out scratchbox though ;-) | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you check if build-essentials maybe actually is optified already, or you optify it manually | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | nothing in sdk repo is optified | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 14:43 |
| bindi | DocScrutinizer: I got tracker-cfg, where do I set this don't do when using battery | 14:43 |
| bindi | BatteryIndexInitial ...? | 14:43 |
| joga | could I compile such a program in easy debian? | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | who would've cared to optify a pkg that's not meant to get installed on target platform | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | bindi: sth like that, yeah | 14:44 |
| bindi | there's BatteryIndex and BatteryIndexInitial | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | # nice trackerd, doesn't exactly make it bearable, but somewhat less sucking | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sed -i -e "s/Throttle=0/Throttle=10/" /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 14:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | joga, try tiny-c-compiler | 14:44 |
| bindi | ah | 14:44 |
| bindi | Enable or disable indexing when on battery power. | 14:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | if it's just a simple C program | 14:44 |
| joga | FIQ|n900, yes it's simple, just spitting some bytes to serial, nothing more | 14:45 |
| bindi | was already disabled | 14:45 |
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| FIQ|n900 | so try it :) | 14:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | it's available in repos | 14:45 |
| s1nan | hello | 14:45 |
| joga | FIQ|n900, doing it right now ;) | 14:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | <DocScrutinizer> easiest is probably just a chroot | 14:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | wouldn't that be really slow? | 14:46 |
| s1nan | is there a shortcut for x-term, I'm in a reboot loop, managed to disable lifeguard, phone boots but can't get into x-term | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | bindi: | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | # Set to true to disable initial indexing when running on battery | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | BatteryIndexInitial=false | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | # Set to true to disable indexing when running on battery | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | BatteryIndex=false | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | less /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK | ctrl-shift-x | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK | (for xterm) | 14:48 |
| s1nan | it didn't work I guess, nothing happened :( | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if h-d is not coming up then it possibly fails | 14:48 |
| bindi | understood the manpage incorrectly then | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | bindi: manpage?? | 14:49 |
| Strengths | ShadowJK: nice 2 finger salute I'll try to remember :) | 14:49 |
| joga | FIQ|n900, tcc hello.c -o hello says "tcc: file '/usr/lib/crt1.o' not found, tcc: file '/usr/lib/crti.o' not found, test.c:1: include file 'stdio.h' not found" | 14:49 |
| Strengths | *3 finger | 14:49 |
| bindi | DocScrutinizer: i googled it :D | 14:49 |
| Strengths | or fingertip | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | which one | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | man trackerd ? | 14:50 |
| joga | (I guess I should just remember the package names for such) | 14:50 |
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| bindi | linux.die.net/man/5/tracker.cfg | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the original tracker.cfg has a lot of comments | 14:51 |
| s1nan | Should I wait to get help, I'm desperate at the moment. I don't want to reflash, just did that 1 week ago :/ | 14:51 |
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| FIQ|n900 | joga, I haven't used it for myself, just saw it in the repos | 14:52 |
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| FIQ|n900 | so no idea, sorry :p | 14:52 |
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| joga | I guess I just don't have some -dev pkg but I'll look into it, thanks for the tip | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | bindi: I'm puzzled about the weird sematics as well, I mean "set XXX=false to enable XXX" WTF? | 14:53 |
| s1nan | we can flash via flasher-3.5, can't we copy files to directories via it? | 14:53 |
| joga | o_o | 14:53 |
| bindi | yeah | 14:54 |
| s1nan | ? | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s1nan: no, alas not | 14:57 |
| ErwinJunge | s1nan maybe figuring out what you did to get a reboot loop within a week would be advisable? :) | 14:58 |
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| s1nan | I changed transitions from maemodder, after installing hildon-desktop for portrait mode | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 15:00 |
| s1nan | everything was fine, I felt some lag so I used optimizen900, then reboot loop. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch! | 15:00 |
| s1nan | X.x | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | s1nan: Is it a fast reboot loop? | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | optimizen900 sounds like a really bad idea to even touch with a 10 feet pole | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry. | 15:00 |
| s1nan | nope, it boots, I see the desktop | 15:01 |
| s1nan | then black squares come, then I see empty desktop | 15:01 |
| bindi | how do I rightclick on vncviewer <.< | 15:01 |
| s1nan | then squares again, after that, reboot | 15:01 |
| s1nan | well, I was using optimizen900 without any problem | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 15:02 |
| s1nan | I guess same thing would happen if I used the reboot button | 15:02 |
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| s1nan | problem is transitions.ini, I guess. I just need to replace it with default one | 15:03 |
| s1nan | problem is, can't get x-term started, have not button for x-term at top menu, and see it on desktop. | 15:03 |
| s1nan | Plus, ctrl+shift+x didn't work, should I keep them pressed..? I also tried that though.. | 15:04 |
| s1nan | so, any ideas to resurrect my n900? | 15:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | <bindi> how do I rightclick on vncviewer <.< i prefer PresenceVNC | 15:05 |
| bindi | FIQ|n900: figured it out, volume up button while tapping | 15:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | You can also adjust quality, like if you're on 3G, and things like that | 15:06 |
| bindi | FIQ|n900: anyway what's better about it | 15:06 |
| bindi | hmm | 15:06 |
| bindi | i'll look into that | 15:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | Well, you can actually send things not on N900 keyboard. IIRC, vncviewer was able to do that as well, but not as much keys | 15:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | And, I once tried running minecraft just to see if it worked - for some reason the keys didn't work in vncviewer at all, but they did in presence | 15:08 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Not that i will do that, but just as a test | 15:08 |
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| s1nan | no ideas? | 15:11 |
| s1nan | can't we replace file via flasher?... :( | 15:11 |
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| NIN101 | s1nan: boot rescueos... | 15:13 |
| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 | 15:14 |
| s1nan | looking into it | 15:16 |
| s1nan | ah, it is for linux I guess | 15:16 |
| s1nan | using PC atm | 15:16 |
| s1nan | win7 | 15:17 |
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| NIN101 | well :/ | 15:17 |
| s1nan | that looks promising though | 15:18 |
| s1nan | but unable to help me, sadly :( I was thinking to have Ubuntu too, one more reason to have it | 15:20 |
| NIN101 | windows has flasher, it would be possible to boot the initrd at least. | 15:20 |
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| s1nan | initrd? | 15:20 |
| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1077983&postcount=18 | 15:21 |
| s1nan | things getting messy for me | 15:22 |
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| s1nan | downloading initrd and kernel, what is next? | 15:26 |
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| s1nan | aha, I made it to run x-term | 15:28 |
| s1nan | ^^ | 15:28 |
| NIN101 | b2w, to use it you need to know the linux console. To boot it: turn your N900 off, run the flasher command and connect your N900 to your PC... | 15:28 |
| s1nan | I thought so, just needed confirm, diving into x-term | 15:29 |
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| s1nan | My problem is a small one, a tool which will make N900 run in mass storage mode, starting from root would be very helpful for programmers, wouldn't it? | 15:31 |
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| Atarii | isn't that what RescueOS does? | 15:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | no | 15:37 |
| s1nan | I didn't run it yet, have no linux on this computer, so I don't know. But it says mass-storage mode in core features. It can be just like normal n900 connects to computer in mass-storage mode, not like I mentioned | 15:38 |
| Atarii | psycho_oreos, no? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see how mass storage mode could help to e.g. replace transitions.ini | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | Atarii, not without one needing to run a few commands | 15:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh transitions.ini sits on rootfs.. good luck with that :p | 15:40 |
| NIN101 | mass storage mode in rescueos exposes maemo home and MyDocs. That's it. To replace your file, you have to to mount the rootfs, and this is possible. | 15:40 |
| s1nan | if I could see (reach) the directories, so I could move default transitions.ini easily | 15:40 |
| NIN101 | you can. | 15:40 |
| s1nan | backed up default transitions.ini, lets see if it works | 15:41 |
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| s1nan | yea. I'm da killa nob here, a'right? As good as new, thank you guys for all your help! :) | 15:42 |
| n900-dk | What does this syslog message mean?: | 15:42 |
| n900-dk | Sep 11 14:41:20 Nokia-N900 kernel: [122278.481323] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: probably means your wlan AP doesn't support PSM properly | 15:46 |
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| s1nan | by the way.. any of you guys know which lines to change the feel of "menu splash"in transitions.ini, I like dscobsct custom transition, but when I do it with maemodder, maemodder changes the transitions.ini and that makes CSSU features app to crash, also made me into reboot loop. Which lines to change, to have that "menu splash"?.. | 15:48 |
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| n900-dk | DocScrutinizer: Hmm, seems to be a bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9101 | 15:50 |
| povbot | Bug 9101: Wifi doesn't enter power saving mode properly (wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up) | 15:50 |
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| s1nan | one more question for today, I am using default kernel, and I have no need the programs those need power kernel. Is there any positive thing for me to switch to power kernel? | 15:56 |
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| cityLights | hi all | 16:02 |
| joga | hmh...do you guys ever get some (heat related?) shutting down of the phone while installing easy debian? | 16:02 |
| cityLights | is there a program for the rome buses? | 16:02 |
| cityLights | or any other program that I should install before arriving at Italy? | 16:03 |
| s1nan | cityLights : you can search for it from FAM | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n900-dk: indeed | 16:03 |
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| s1nan | I remember there was one, but don't know if it was for Rome. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | still possibly related to AP | 16:04 |
| cityLights | an I meet any of the regulars here at rome? | 16:04 |
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| cityLights | as I didnt get a n950, was hoping to buya n9 there | 16:04 |
| cityLights | but it doesnt seem like it will be avail by the month end | 16:05 |
| s1nan | I don't know if N9 is out in italy? | 16:05 |
| cityLights | I assume it didnt come out yet | 16:05 |
| cityLights | wish i could run ec2 api from my N900 | 16:06 |
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| joga | yay got it compiled under easy debian :) | 16:12 |
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| joga | ...and it works :) | 16:19 |
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| bindi | hm | 16:40 |
| bindi | can anyone link me that pic / thread of the heavily soldered usb port? | 16:40 |
| ruskie | ~usbfix | 16:42 |
| infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< | 16:42 |
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| s1nan | bye guys | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 17:18 |
| javispedro | moo. | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | joga: seems a chroot environment is the easiest for building stuff, eh? | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, GPS actually took several minutes for first fix | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | just a question | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite unusual. Wonder if that's related to (cssu) update possibly messing up the stored position alm/eph etc | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | why is everyone blaming the CSSU for this? :) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm explicitly NOT blaming CSSU for this | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | everything GPS is closed source | 17:23 |
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| MohammadAG | lemme rephrase then | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | why is everyone besides DocScrutinizer blaming the CSSU for this? :) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm blaming update | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | well, some are reporting that changing from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com fixed the issue | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | so maybe it's an issue on Nokia's side? | 17:24 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you get used to it | 17:25 |
| javispedro | (people blaming your stuff) | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible | 17:25 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: someone asserted for ex. that C FM radio had "less signal quality" than QRadio | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | btw, I installed C FM Radio on my N900 and it bricked my N950 | 17:25 |
| javispedro | ah, so it was you! | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: we've seen exactly same for AGPS-beta on diablo | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | I thought AGPS needed 3G? | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | lemme time the N86's GPS | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | AGPS needs access to supl.*.* | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | right, GPS locked | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | absolutely unrelated to 3G | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | that's... 30 seconds | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably meant LLRP or what it's called | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gsm-agps | 17:28 |
| infobot | i heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | no, AGPS | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | but I implied it needs 3G since Symbian only allows you to select packet data connections rather than WiFi | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, yeah | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme see what's time for a hotfix indoors now | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | 10s | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | the N86's fix was from cold boot after 2 day shutdown, 200km from where it was, and indoors | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | 20-30s | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: might still qualify as a hotfix (or warmfix at least ;-D) | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | it's not supl.nokia.com's fault | 17:33 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer, yeah :) the easy debian image also has build tools included so it was a no-brainer | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | cold boot: doesn't matter possibly. 2 day shutdown: as well might be in stored alm/eph timerange. 200km offset: doesn't matter much either | 17:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer has a frowning glance at N900 clock being >60s fast | 17:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | might explain a lot | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually 55s | 17:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer tries to recall what he did to fix that time sync mess | 17:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | 'gps recorder' app tume-syncs. | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | time | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'm not inclined to call this gps-recorder via alarmed once a day | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought I had ntpd installed and running once | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe I kicked it because it hogged data | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | tht's probably tehe more sane way | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | call ntpd -q once a day per alarmed is what I like to get | 17:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | openntpd | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, got neither on IroN900 | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sync-time-now-widget - Status menu widget: button to sync time with rdate (from pool.ntp.org) | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok. | 17:45 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, i found ntpdate binary from somewhere | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Why do I have openntpd installed, yet it wouldn't sync when battery was out | 17:45 |
| trumee | i use it manually though. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | why doesn't apt-cache search ntp find any (open)ntpd ? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: where from? | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: openntpd | 17:46 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/ | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search '.*NTP.*' | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | openntpd - OpenBSD NTP daemon | 17:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65315 | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: There is the silly solution I've used on a few devices - ssh root@foo date `date` | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | (with the appropriate format strigs and flags. | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | openrdate - sets the system's date from a remote host | 17:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer likes SpeedEvil 's solution way better | 17:50 | |
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| n900-dk | Did the latest CCSU touch wifi-setup? I seem to loose wifi connection very often now in my kicthen, and didn't change anything at AP or set up new walls :) No issues before. And not to blame CSSU!, just curious. | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, afaik all about WLAN is completely untouched in CSSU | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: sorry, your post before last doesn't parse | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900 worked battery charging turned off | 18:29 |
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| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer, the thing is: n900 and some other arm phones (a1200 for example) are crazy,and we shouldn't interfere in it's life | 18:30 |
| angelox|laptop | :) | 18:30 |
| angelox|laptop | what i did was update it OTA | 18:30 |
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| n900-dk | How do I disable syslogd start without uninstall? | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mv /etc/event.d/sysklogd /root/backup/etc/event.d/sysklogd | 18:38 |
| n900-dk | perfect, thanks! | 18:40 |
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| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer: a question: when we do charge the phone 'turned off', the kernel is loaded,or the current goes directly to the chip charge? (bq24something)? | 18:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's solid yellow, then it's doing it without the OS | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's flashing yellow, but 'off' then the OS is booted, and acting dead | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | it first starts an autonomous charging controlled by hw (chip) only, until battery is charged enough to startup kernel | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | also see | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover | 18:43 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 18:43 |
| angelox|laptop | and that way (flatbatrecover) is to force without the os ? | 18:43 |
| angelox|laptop | i mean,only going to chip | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is the hw way, yes | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | only kicks in on very low battery | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and reaches only until battery is up to some 3.6V | 18:44 |
| angelox|laptop | ah ok | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | then system tries to boot up, and steady amber becomes flashing amber | 18:45 |
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| angelox|laptop | hmm i see. steady amber = hw only ; flashing amber = hw and os | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if your bq24150 chip is defect, then this flatbatrecover won't work either | 18:45 |
| angelox|laptop | hmm | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | if your system is fsckdup then it will happily do flatbatrecover, and bork on "booting" to act_dead flashing amber | 18:46 |
| angelox|laptop | and if my maemo is defect,another distro would charge | 18:46 |
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| angelox|laptop | ? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that other distro can charge then yes | 18:47 |
| angelox|laptop | meego can't,right? | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but first you eeded to boot into that other distro. I dunno of any method other than uBoot to boot into any non-maemo OS from cold | 18:48 |
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| NIN102 | DocScrutinizer: flasher? | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | unclear though | 18:48 |
| angelox|laptop | or flashing the kernel | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on battery | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing doesn't work on flat battery | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | unclear if booting via flasher works on very low battery | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN102: you had birthday? ;-D | 18:50 |
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| NIN102 | lol xD | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what might work almost always is charging via backupmenu | 18:52 |
| * angelox|laptop is going to install backupmenu | 18:52 | |
| NIN102 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76148 | 18:52 |
| angelox|laptop | and it takes too much time to charge? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't depend much on anything of the regular maemo system | 18:52 |
| NIN102 | this is an initrd for battery charging. | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN102: cool shit | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | will it work on flat battery as well? | 18:53 |
| NIN102 | That I don't know. | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the crux | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | can/will NOLO load an initrd when battery is extremely low | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so this still holds true: [2011-09-11 17:49:31] <DocScrutinizer> unclear if booting via flasher works on very low battery | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and waves (dinner calling) | 18:56 |
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| kevin_b | hello | 19:00 |
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| kevin_b | does someone know where is the Qt community repository used for 4.7.4? | 19:01 |
| angelox|laptop | to h-e-n i really need install a kernel from extras-devel? | 19:01 |
| kevin_b | I'd like it to build QtHelp | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: for h-e-n to work you need power kernel, yes | 19:03 |
| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer, i thought it already were at extras-testing or just on the main repository | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: for http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston you don't need PK | 19:04 |
| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer, i see. but i'm installing it for testing a new adaptor i've bought | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: dunno which PK version is avaolable from where | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: basically hostmode is all kernel patchwork | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the gui is just, well a gui | 19:06 |
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| angelox|laptop | i see | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n is 90% kernel patches, 8% booston, and 2% gui | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 90% of hostmode/h-e-n come with PK, 10% come with "the app" | 19:09 |
| angelox|laptop | i understand now | 19:09 |
| angelox|laptop | apt-get install hostmode-gui doesn't do 'anything' | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really,yeah | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it gives yiu a GUI that will complain about kernel not providing hostmode functions | 19:10 |
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| eichi | hello. | 20:06 |
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| angelox|laptop | hi | 20:06 |
| eichi | Hello. What is the easiest way to code setting saving in a pygtk allpication on maemo5? | 20:06 |
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| eichi | is gconf the easiest way for small preferences? | 20:27 |
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| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer, when in backupmenu,to charge what should i do? | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it charges automatically, and signals doing so by increasing backlight brightness | 20:55 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Sorry for asking again, what should I do with my fingers to bring up that quick access icon toolbar in Harmattan? | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | it however does NOT check if everything ok with charging, or maybe charger fsckdup | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | slide up lockscreen some 10mm and hold for 2s | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: gotit? | 20:58 |
| javispedro | hold the device in portrait | 20:58 |
| javispedro | otherwhise it doesn't show up | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | for lockscreen it's been unambiguous | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Doc: Ah, thanks | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hory I got a black wallpaper on lockscreen | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray* | 21:00 |
| RST38h | Nah, does not work here | 21:01 |
| RST38h | I wonder why... | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | odd | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need to slide lockscreen up (from outside screen, so it's a "swipe"?) so much that the time display vanishes | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it doesn't work when kbd opened | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and today my "3" = " " \o/ | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: just hold the "closed" device in portrait orientation, doubletap or push power to show lockscreen, then slide up some 10..20mm from very bottom of screen, sliding out the huge time display upwards, and *hold* | 21:07 |
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| RST38h | It worked for me. ONCE. | 21:10 |
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| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> and it doesn't work when kbd opened | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | you can | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | it just has to be top up | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | (which is retarded) | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | very | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> slide up lockscreen some 10mm and hold for 2s | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | any slide up works | 21:21 |
| RST38h | looks like an unusable feature | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | even 0.1mm | 21:21 |
| RST38h | as I have only been able to bring it up once =) | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | hold the device in a 90 degree top up | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure you're not in ISS where's no up and down? | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | as in as flat as your wall | 21:22 |
| RST38h | yeah | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | I find it useful for quick calls | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | just the top up thing makes it useless at times | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, if you hold it landscape wise up, then place flat on table, it doesn't work. Hold it portrait up, place down on table flat and it works - bwahaha | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | AFK (rain starts, have to run) | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MEH too late | 21:25 |
| RST38h | just enjoy it =) | 21:25 |
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| trumee | My linux pc doesnt show the FAT partition in /dev/sde, cfdisk reports that /dev/sde has no partitions. strange | 21:56 |
| trumee | ah, /dev/sde doesnt have any partitions. It is mounted straightaway to /media/Nokia N900 | 21:57 |
| trumee | strange | 21:57 |
| trumee | i thought all drives need to have partitions. | 21:57 |
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| trumee | awesome, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1086354&postcount=130 | 22:06 |
| MoonTiger | sooooooo | 22:07 |
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| MoonTiger | ahhhh great white text on the input box | 22:07 |
| bindi | trumee: what :D | 22:08 |
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| Sc0rpius | why would he think this is football related? | 22:09 |
| trumee | iirc there was a thread about a football live stream | 22:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | hehe | 22:10 |
| ErwinJunge | trumee: That's surprisingly funny :) | 22:10 |
| trumee | ErwinJunge: relief from the trolling in that thread. | 22:11 |
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| ErwinJunge | Also, wow. 14 pages in a single day. | 22:11 |
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| trumee | s***loads of spam on tmo. where are the mods? | 22:16 |
| NIN102 | exactly. | 22:17 |
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| n900-dk | Is it possible the see somewhere, what the lovely, brilliant, clever CSSU guys are working on for the next CSSU? | 22:43 |
| NIN102 | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | 22:44 |
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| Sc0rpius | or in the CSSU wiki maybe | 22:45 |
| n900-dk | Hmm, I'm not sure how a look at the git will inform me.. | 22:46 |
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| NIN102 | commit comments, you don't always have to look at the code changes. | 22:47 |
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| MohammadAG | I'll admit I'm working on Harmattan now :P | 22:48 |
| n900-dk | yeah, but doesn't really give me a clue | 22:48 |
| njsf_ | Speaking of Harmattan… How would a US resident get a hold of either a N9 or N950, given that he has not registered any Maemo app due to the whole Elopcalypse? And by get a hold I am considering forking some ca$h to the tune of the one I forked for the N900 ? | 22:50 |
| NIN102 | you can all switch to harmattan, I'll be forever N900 loyal and the last user who leaves #maemo :P | 22:50 |
| Sc0rpius | what's Harmattan for you? | 22:51 |
| Sc0rpius | Meego? | 22:51 |
| NIN102 | no. More like maemo6. | 22:52 |
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| njsf_ | I guess Harmattan for me is the MeeGo API yes, plus a more updated hardware ;) | 22:52 |
| Sc0rpius | and what device has Harmattan | 22:52 |
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| NIN102 | N9. | 22:52 |
| Sc0rpius | N9 has Meego | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | 0.0 | 22:53 |
| NIN102 | It's harmattan. | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | who said switch | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | I've had the N950 since August, and you still see CSSU updates more than ever :p | 22:53 |
| NIN102 | :-). | 22:53 |
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| Sc0rpius | Nokia N9 and maybe a software like Swype/SlideIT that Android devices has and it would be the perfect phone | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | given I'm not the one providing patches, but I'm still integrating updates | 22:54 |
| njsf_ | MohammadAG: would a US Nokia employee be able to easily get a hold of either a N9 or N950 ? | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | you're the employee, not me | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, Swype is on the N9 | 22:55 |
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| njsf_ | I am not… I just know one… And I thought you were a Nokia employee. Sorry if I am mistaken then | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | I wish | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | well given the current circumstances inside Nokia, I might want to take back that wish :p | 22:56 |
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| n900-dk | MohammadAG: Guess you could easily get a job there, if you wanted to :) | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | without a cert? :P | 22:57 |
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| Sicelo | and WP7 knowledge ;) | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | hehe | 22:58 |
| * MohammadAG asks a polite question | 22:59 | |
| MohammadAG | where the fuck are tmo mods | 22:59 |
| njsf_ | Damn :( It seems my contact left Nokia US… | 22:59 |
| njsf_ | Can't blame him tho | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, I lured the lightning with lasers... IT WORKED :-P (me glares at his smoking DSL routermodem) | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | just my ears still ringing | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:00 |
| Sc0rpius | I think tmo mods bought Android phones or something | 23:01 |
| Sc0rpius | they're totally MIA | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | so I need to do this presentation or something at uni in hebrew tomorrow | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | well, in 8 hours to be exact | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | and I have no idea what to talk about | 23:01 |
| Sc0rpius | what's the presentation about | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny thing: my TV survived | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, anything you want, that's why I have no idea what to talk about :p | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:03 |
| n900-dk | What field do you study? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | was a strange effect when it flashed and cracked and then everything was just silence and darkness | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | right now? prestudies | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | hebrew for the first two months, then a year of physics + maths | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | and english, hahahaha | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | math, ouch | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | that's easy | 23:04 |
| n900-dk | So you will end up as... a genious? | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG | no, you'll end up ready for the first actual year of uni | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | some say he's already there | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | he'll end up as an ex-genius ;-P | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | whether I study CS or CE is another thing | 23:05 |
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| MohammadAG | I love backtraces like these | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | #0 0x00000010 in ?? () | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | #1 0x3c98c8f0 in QGraphicsWidget::~QGraphicsWidget() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 | 23:06 |
| peterbjornxz | docscrutinizer, explain??? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? | 23:07 |
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| peterbjornx | DocScrutinizerhehe, I lured the lightning with lasers... IT WORKED (me glares at his smoking DSL routermodem) | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | the devastating effects of higher education on your creativity? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I shot he clouds with my 200mW green laser - looked nice with all the raindrops twinkling | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | 20s later a lightning hit my house | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and fried my DSL | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think to cause this effect for real I'd need a 2MW laser, to ionize the air along the beam | 23:10 |
| n900-dk | How is MfE in Meego/Harmattan? Is it working and a part of it? | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 23:10 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Then it would hit you/the laser instead of the house. Is that really something you want? :) | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really, that's why I stopped ;-P | 23:10 |
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| ErwinJunge | After reading through the donations thread, one post really popped out to me: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1086008&postcount=87 --> The part about merging with Debian. How possible/impossible would this be? | 23:11 |
| n900-dk | Will the device present it self as provisionable to Exchange? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | now for step 2: replacing direct PPPoE access from my PC to the spare DSL modem by a properly configured d-link router | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but first: dinner | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | then maybe first have a look into that smoked up ZyXEL. It has loose parts falling around inside now X-D | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | D-Link?! | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-615 | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | <3 TP-Link | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | D-Link always sucked for me, except the first one I bought | 23:15 |
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| MrOpposite | Hi | 23:15 |
| peterbjornx | ive experimented with lasers, but never knew lasers could ionize the air and trigger a discharge | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | how do I install the Frontier::Client thingi for perl | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | when I try it complains about gzip not accepting the --decompress flag | 23:16 |
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| NIN102 | ErwinJunge: Well, there is ofono, working. Recently I made an phone call, but without sound, but that is possible as meego-ce proves. Besides that, it's probably Nokia N8X0 status, but this can change in the future. | 23:16 |
| jrayhawk | It may have also been evaporating raindrops enough to make a decent pathway. | 23:17 |
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| ErwinJunge | NIN102: So this is theoretically possible? I'd absolutely love the idea of a full debian on the phone while retaining phone functions. I guess all the closed Nokia apps are a big problem? | 23:18 |
| NIN102 | theoretically, yes. | 23:19 |
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| NIN102 | You can basically take a look at what works in meego-ce, and this can also work more or less in Debian, using meego kernel. | 23:21 |
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| user232 | hello. | 23:22 |
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| ErwinJunge | NIN102: Interesting, thanks. | 23:23 |
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| user232 | need to get a wireless network adapter to connect to a router | 23:24 |
| user232 | just dont know how thats possible without a gui | 23:24 |
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| user232 | something like wicd-gtk perhaps for this device | 23:24 |
| user232 | or getting the default user interface to use wlan0 | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: will need mega pulses to ionize air | 23:25 |
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| user232 | DocScrutinizer : possible ? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way you ionize normal atmospheric gas with a 200mW laser | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user232: hm? set up wireless without gui? I think iwconfig and ifconfig are your friend | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you tweak a few config files next to icd, if that'S about fremantle maemo | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even gconf keys | 23:29 |
| user232 | will use iwconfig, seems simple | 23:30 |
| user232 | good to know its possible | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063 might help | 23:30 |
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| thomasvs | Anyone know where I can find fremantle maemosec-tools debs for x86 scratchbox? | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG | build them | 23:32 |
| user232 | look who's here | 23:32 |
| pabs3 | ErwinJunge: probably the non-free stuff will be a big issue, maybe freesmartphone.org is enough of a replacement though (slowly entering Debian), especially since SHR folks are working on N900 support | 23:33 |
| user232 | the guy that's on all app credits i've got installed | 23:33 |
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| user232 | gona disconnect and give what DocScrutinizer suggested a test | 23:34 |
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| ZogG | hey, anyone from holland? | 23:35 |
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| ErwinJunge | pabs3: Thanks for that link. Apparently there are a lot more projects going on than I thought :) | 23:37 |
| ErwinJunge | ZogG: Yes, why do you ask? | 23:37 |
| ZogG | ErwinJunge wonder if you have n9 and what are the prices? | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | <user232> the guy that's on all app credits i've got installed | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | was that me or something? :P | 23:38 |
| pabs3 | ErwinJunge: SHR: shr-project.org | 23:38 |
| pabs3 | ErwinJunge: Debian smartphone thoughts: wiki.debian.org/Smartphone | 23:39 |
| pabs3 | ErwinJunge: recent mobile BoF at DebConf11 minutes: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/09/msg00126.html | 23:39 |
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| ErwinJunge | ZogG: Apparently, not (yet). As in, I can't find a shop selling it at this time and I have no idea if it will release here or when. | 23:40 |
| pabs3 | ErwinJunge: there was someone looking to be elected to the Maemo governance thing on the basis of merging with Debian | 23:40 |
| pabs3 | ErwinJunge: Jeremiah Foster | 23:41 |
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| ZogG | ErwinJunge it wouldn't be released in my country but my friend goes to there, so... | 23:41 |
| ErwinJunge | ZogG: No problem, but this is the limit of my knowledge on the subject though :) | 23:42 |
| ErwinJunge | pabs3: Wow, thanks for all those links. Bookmarked to read tomorrow. | 23:42 |
| pabs3 | ErwinJunge: disclaimer (as a Debian member and someone owning an OpenMoko I'm very biased) | 23:43 |
| ZogG | ErwinJunge what about hp touchpad btw | 23:43 |
| ErwinJunge | ZogG: Not at the decreased pricepoint, that's US only I believe. | 23:43 |
| ZogG | =\ | 23:43 |
| ZogG | doooooomed | 23:44 |
| njsf_ | Hmmm I guess I might have a shot at buying a N9 after all | 23:45 |
| ZogG | =\ | 23:45 |
| njsf_ | It might be available when I travel to Portugal later in the year | 23:45 |
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| user32 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Host_configuration_on_Archlinux_via_netcfg | 23:45 |
| ZogG | njsf_, yeah, why not, make me feel worse | 23:45 |
| user32 | after that, what needs to be done to share the PCs internet with the device | 23:46 |
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| njsf_ | Sorry ZogG. Hey… If I manage to get my hands on one I'll say something here and I can can get one for another US resident then | 23:46 |
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| ZogG | njsf_ it would be ironic but i'm from god forgotten country | 23:48 |
| user32 | and how's that done without udev ? | 23:48 |
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| ZogG | user32 what are you trying to do? | 23:50 |
| user32 | share the internet connection | 23:51 |
| ZogG | from n900 or with n900? | 23:51 |
| peterbjornx | zogGi am dutch | 23:51 |
| ZogG | peterbjornx so? | 23:52 |
| user32 | ZogG : with | 23:52 |
| ZogG | user32 don't you have wi-fi? | 23:52 |
| user32 | peterbjornx : he's dutch | 23:52 |
| ZogG | peterbjornx, or you mean you are from netherland? | 23:53 |
| user32 | no <ZogG> | 23:53 |
| peterbjornx | i am | 23:53 |
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| ZogG | peterbjornx, i think ErwinJunge already answered me that there is no n9 to get there =( | 23:54 |
| ZogG | btw what are the prices for it? | 23:55 |
| ZogG | i mean in Ue where it is available | 23:55 |
| ErwinJunge | ZogG: Btw, where are you from? Can't you just ebay it or something? | 23:55 |
| ZogG | ErwinJunge wouldn't buy such expensive things over ebay | 23:56 |
| ErwinJunge | Paypal gives you buyer protection, so I don't see your point. | 23:57 |
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| ZogG | if i get something wrong all the shipping back and nervs don't worth it | 23:58 |
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| ZogG | user32 did you follow guide? | 23:58 |
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