IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-09-10

rzr-mobif you hate mg feel free to forkit and rename and push back mg and mg-editor00:00
rzr-mobi am in train now on my phone now00:01
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RST38hrzr: nah, I neither hate nor like it00:03
RST38hrzr: personally, used to pico (or nano)00:03
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DocScrutinizeroi javispedro00:48
javispedrohi there00:49
rzr-mobhi mr radio00:49
javispedroha :)00:49
javispedrothis reminds me...00:49
DocScrutinizer\o/ 16.7 installs00:49
rzr-mobwhat is this release ?00:50
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javispedrodamn, neither Venemo or MAG are here =)00:51
DocScrutinizerduh, where's moh?00:51
* javispedro ponders00:52
javispedroshould I try fmtx? =)00:52
DocScrutinizerhah, why not00:52
javispedrorequires runtime patching of the kernel ... check. ignroing several warnings about not doing it .. check. issuing potentially destructive commands to hw I don't know anything about ... check.00:53
javispedroyeah, let's do it :)00:53
javispedroaw no00:54
javispedrosadly, the system global orientation lock comes first :(00:54
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DocScrutinizerhah, seems a global issue - semi-fixed it for CSSU today, for me00:56
javispedrofrom what I'm looking, it might be quite easy actually, despite what I thought earlier00:57
javispedrobut either way, this is for #harmattan.00:57
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DocScrutinizeror #maemo-ssu ;-)00:57
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javispedrotbh it never really bothered in maemo, but on harmattan.... seriously, half of the RSS reader app is locked to portrait, the other half is not locked... a mess.00:59
javispedros/in maemo/in Fremantle00:59
DocScrutinizerGAN900: seems there's a topic for next monday's MWKN :-D01:00
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: /etc/X11/ -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -f /usr/bin/hildon-desktop01:02
DocScrutinizerI thought we're fed up with bootloops for no good reason01:03
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javispedrowhat's wrong with that?01:03
DocScrutinizerwith THIS one nuttin01:03
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DocScrutinizerthe one *you* got on your device is /usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t /usr/bin/hildon-desktop01:04
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javispedrohi MohammadAG01:04
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG is back \o/01:04
javispedroMohammadAG: really appreciate your offer about a MTF radio app =) but still deciding on the app and so. I will probably ship a QtMobility plugin01:04
javispedro(also really appreciate Venemo's offer too)01:04
javispedros/on the app/on the API01:05
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MohammadAGjavispedro, just make a normal Qt lib :)01:06
MohammadAGand hi :)01:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, /me stabs freenode01:06
javispedrohey, ipv6, don't complain01:06
DocScrutinizerthey are *very* busy upgrading ircd seven atm01:07
javispedrothe day I get ipv6 is the day I start my own internet fork01:07
javispedroand/or my own ISP =)01:07
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: 16.7 updates fine :-)01:08
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DocScrutinizerso what do you think, let's call it gold and fork to stable, on next monday?01:08
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MohammadAGWe should fix camera-ui first, then add the cert manager01:09
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DocScrutinizerok, fair enough01:09
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MohammadAGdamn you DigiNora!01:09
MohammadAGjavispedro, how long do you think you need for that lib? :)01:10
DocScrutinizeryou know my notion regarding camera-ui. It'd be best we would find a way to kick it out of CSSU completely01:10
javispedroi would need an afternoon, but the problem is not me01:10
javispedroa Nokian has come and offered to do it the "proper way". Sadly, this means no time estimates.01:11
MohammadAGany comments from this nokian on FMTX?01:11
MohammadAGcause I kinda miss that :P01:11
DocScrutinizerif it wasn't in mp-cssu then this bug was just another app going havoc on user data, so what?01:11
javispedroMohammadAG: I'm trying FMTX after I get the global orientation lock thingie done01:12
javispedrohave some ideas and a bit of help :)01:12
ShadowJKwhat's with fmtx?01:12
javispedro(but I wouldn't be optimistic..)01:12
ShadowJKhas cssu broken it?01:12
javispedrosorry, this should have been in #harmattan01:13
* javispedro messes twice01:13
DocScrutinizerFU Nokia, for
DocScrutinizerre "Nokia offered to do it 'the right way' "01:14
MohammadAGAndroid's security system, or lack thereof > aegis01:14
Corsacto do what?01:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer: the current aegis policy allows me to do the daemon idea without many problems01:15
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: indeed, and problem with HARM-FMRX isn't the FM but the mere friggin PA config01:15
javispedrobut, such daemon would mostly be a pulseaudio clone, a sound server.01:15
javispedroand I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Specially not a sound server. And more specially not if I it is hackish :)01:16
DocScrutinizersee what PA gives us, I *adore* Lennart!!1!1!! >:-(01:17
ShadowJKcan you turn off aegis yet?01:19
DocScrutinizergiven the fact each shit regarding audio is set up using gstreamer anyway, I completely miss the rationale why we (=maemo system / Nokia) MUST use this crap PA01:19
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: we'll never be able to "turn off aegis"01:19
DocScrutinizerit's designed to first and foremost forbid all turning-it-off01:20
Robot101DocScrutinizer: this? again? really? I'm sure I explained to you already why Maemo uses it. ah well.... :P01:20
ShadowJKso this means I can't read my email01:20
ShadowJKon N9 :P01:20
Robot101DocScrutinizer: we just added dynamic AC3 passthrough to pulse, its pretty cool, you can move your audio stream between the DSP, bluetooth headset or HDMI output dynamically01:21
DocScrutinizerRobot101: sorry, I guess I forgot01:21
Robot101DocScrutinizer: so that reconfiguring outputs dynamically is a good example01:21
ShadowJKbut it can't move audio from fmrx to speakers/headphones? :)01:21
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Robot101I'm sure it can be made to - but its probably aegis that stops you modifying the binary or configuration01:22
DocScrutinizerit's probably also the only example we could possibly find. I admit PA might have a small edge there01:22
Robot101am not really here though, I just wanted to correct DocScrutinizer in case anyone got the wrong idea :P01:22
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: for "reconfiguring dynamically" see what aegis done to that on HARM ;-P01:23
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ShadowJKWell those "cool things" would be neat tricks, but first you'd want the ability to play back sound working properly first ;D01:23
Robot101DocScrutinizer: I think we agree about aegis a lot more than pulse... :D01:23
ShadowJKlike, imagine installing Satnav on a Lada or something, there's no point becuase the car never goes far enough before breaking down that you couldn't walk back home without map/nav ;P01:24
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: given the concept of radically restricting all user access to any system config, using PA on HARM - under aegis - is mere pointless01:26
javispedroRobot101: there's an actual limitation in pulse here though, the fact that you can only specify one rate for a card, requiring a daemon reboot to change01:27
javispedrowell, not really requiring a reboot, but removing/reinserting the module, which is next to a reboot.01:27
ShadowJKresampling is kinda expensive on low cpu01:27
javispedrohowever, that is a limitation shared by all sound servers I know.01:27
DocScrutinizerthe idea of a sound server bewilders me01:28
* ShadowJK recalls 10-20% on his Pentium3 for the minimum acceptable that doesn't butcher the audio entirely01:28
javispedroShadowJK: I mean change the hw rate, precisely to avoid a resample operation01:28
javispedro(or, in the fmrx case, to allow capture in better rates than what are usually used with BT)01:28
Robot101DocScrutinizer: no, really. pulseaudio does its job - and what it's permitted to do - on harmattan.01:28
ShadowJKjavispedro, yeah I mean adjusting hwrate is something you'd want on cpu limited platform to avoid costly resampling01:29
Robot101DocScrutinizer: the fact you're prohibited from reconfiguring it is a separate problem. it still implements the audio policy and calls pausing your music and beeps mixing with music and remembering volume, moving cellular audio from serial to the dsp, etc...01:29
DocScrutinizerRobot101: the only point is there's not much it's allowed to do01:29
javispedroaw, forget it.01:29
DocScrutinizerthat can't be done without PA as well01:29
Robot101responding to headset insertion and moving streams to/from the audio and the bluetooth headset01:29
javispedroas said in the current firmware I can do pretty much whatever I want to it =)01:30
javispedroincluding replacing all audio output with rickrolling01:30
javispedrooh, this just gave me an idea for a $2 app in Ovi Store...01:30
Robot101javispedro: so I think this dynamic reconfiguration stuff has been improved in upstream pulse now, as a result of our recent work01:31
javispedroah, upstream is so far here....01:32
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javispedroRobot101: wouldn't you know the story behind module-alsa-*-old btw?01:32
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Robot101iirc for maemo 5 they did a lot of tweaks to the audio drivers (using unusual parts of the ALSA API) to support the latency requirements for gsm01:33
Robot101and hacked the alsa drivers in pulse to use that work01:33
Robot101an educated guess here would be, they kept all those hacks and the pulse work they had done, even though pulse's alsa stuff moved on a lot?01:33
Robot101just a guess01:34
ShadowJKpulse on desktop seems to misreport latency by 10-900 ms for me, depending on its mood :P01:34
Robot101yeah - alsa drivers usually get this wrong I think01:34
ShadowJKit's always spot-on when I use alsa direct01:34
DocScrutinizerhah, the story probably more like "PA got tweaks to support the more unusual alsa API parts that are needed only when you deal with realtime"01:34
ShadowJKkilling pulse first01:34
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javispedroIMHO, pulse tries to do too much, and as any good unix beard would say, "thus does not anything really well".01:36
ShadowJKIf it goes much over 1s wrong, I can expect an imminent pulseaudio crash/exit/whatever, which reliable seems to make all programs using pulse go into an infinite cpu loop :D01:36
javispedrowere it to be separated into sound server, policy enforcement, and "the rest".... it would be at least easier to replace.01:36
Robot101you guys must hate systemd, huh? :)01:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, think we'll freeze on version 1701:37
javispedroRobot101: you guess :D01:37
Robot101turns out having fewer moving parts is actually a feature for an embedded device01:38
Robot101do you guys lose sleep over busybox?01:38
Robot101it does many things less well01:38
Robot101entirely intentionally :D01:38
javispedroRobot101: ask DocScrutinizer, he calls it "messybox"01:38
ShadowJKand then i need to manually kill everything that uses pulse, restart pulseaudio, restart programs... it does this slightly less often than dmix doing weird crashes... But I hope someday someone will start over with a new system and Get It Right(TM) before adding fancy crap :)01:38
Robot101my work here is done :P01:38
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils01:38
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: dmix doing weird crashes? recently? Not seen this since errr last century01:41
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javispedroalsa is horrible.01:42
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ShadowJKlet's call it hangs01:42
DocScrutinizerbasically I tend to agree01:42
DocScrutinizerbut.. know what's even more horrible? PA on ALSA01:42
MohammadAGDigiNotar issue fixed in version 16.801:42
ShadowJKall apps are, when straced, stuck on a futex() syscall waiting for eachother or something, never progressing01:42
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you're an animal01:43
javispedroand due to weird architecture of alsa that's virtually impossible to debug01:43
javispedronote: alsa _userspace_01:43
ShadowJKalsa kernelspace is fine01:43
ShadowJKas well as alsa sans plugins/etc01:44
javispedro(that was for DocScrutinizer, because PA on ALSA uses mostly ALSA kernelspace ;) )01:44
Atariiso with all the battery patches and speed patches on the forums, are any of these "recommended" ?01:45
DocScrutinizerdefinitely not, modulo swappolube01:45
Atariithat was easily answered :)01:45
javispedroAtarii: most of them contradict each other either way01:46
DocScrutinizerwhich is a proper frontend to tweak some kernel parameters that can use tweaking01:46
ShadowJKswappolube has a nice UI for changing settings, questionable/debatable defaults though01:46
javispedroyou can improve one usecase, and at the same time inadvertently "unimprove" the others01:46
DocScrutinizerone thing's for sure: battery patch is a nonsense in the mere wording already01:47
Atariiare there any good links to read up what these actually do? what kernel parameters etc01:47
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javispedrokernel source Documentation/ folder =)01:49
DocScrutinizerI think the swappolube theead had a few pages where not only nonsense been written01:49
Atariiok thanks01:49
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DocScrutinizeranyway, usually if you're after battery and speed patches, your problem is caused by sth that should get tackled another way than with magic patches01:51
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DocScrutinizerfrequently battery standby time get crushed by stupid aps that keep CPU busy, and speed sees massive impact mainly when too many apps eat way too much RAM so the system enters swap hell01:52
Atariiwell I don't need to worry about that, I don't have any of those status applets etc01:53
DocScrutinizerinstalling and using a fresh clean fremantle often helps to adjust your POV about those issues01:53
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AtariiI just want something to put my device into a "sleep" mode when not in use, using as little battery as possible. And a way to kill all cell phone related processes01:54
DocScrutinizerthe culprit is not the missing speed / battery patch but rather the app that - when inmstalled - makes problems appear01:54
AtariiI think the bleeding-edge wifi drivers is the reason my battery gets eaten so fast01:54
DocScrutinizerkill all cellphone related processes is easy: flight mode01:54
DocScrutinizersleep mode is entered automatically as soon as no active processes hog the system01:55
Atariidoesn't flight mode kill wifi too?01:55
DocScrutinizer(wlan drivers) quite possible01:55
SpeedEvilI get over 5 days in wifi active but idle mode01:55
DocScrutinizerthere's a tablet-mode01:55
Atariiyes, I've been using tablet-mode, guess I'll stick to that01:56
SpeedEvilAnd probabyl closer to 10, if everything is turned off, and it's idle in tablet mode01:56
Atariithat's amazing SpeedEvil, I wish I was getting that01:56
Atariido you use the bleeding edge wifi drivers, or just stock?01:56
DocScrutinizerwlan is known to eat batery like mad when it's constantly searching for APs01:56
Atariiyea I have that disabled too01:57
DocScrutinizerthe driver might spoil this01:57
AtariiI guess it's the bleeding edge drivers, I'll have to reduce their usage01:57
Sicelotablet-mode = disabling only cellmo?01:58
DocScrutinizeriirc icd2 actually unloads the wkan driver to power down wifi01:58
DocScrutinizerSicelo: yes01:58
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javispedrooops, forget, should talk in #harmattan02:33
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MohammadAGjavispedro, figured out how to make QDebug work on Harmattan?03:04
javispedroyou're asking me a Qt question? :)03:04
MohammadAGyes :P03:04
javispedroI didn't even knew it was borked =)03:04
javispedromaybe redirected to syslog?03:04
MohammadAGit doesn't show any output :/03:04
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angelox|laptopHi DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK03:06
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angelox|laptopShadowJK: trying that stuff about battery -> not found03:09
angelox|laptopok found a mirror03:10
angelox|laptopwhat informations would you like to know?03:12
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DocScrutinizer51hi angelox|laptop03:15
angelox|laptopgood evening DocScrutinizer51 :)03:16
angelox|laptopJust *unfortunately* remembering my case: My n900 doesn't charge with any battery :( voltage *decreases* when charger is plugued,and battery's current doesn't change03:17
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angelox|laptopanother thing:03:17
* angelox|laptop is going to cry if he don't fix that 03:18
DocScrutinizer51bq27k script should give you better info03:18
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DocScrutinizer51run it with parameter 503:19
angelox| ?03:19
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DocScrutinizer51then plug in charger while noting that with a #charger comment in the terminal that shows the bq27k output03:23
DocScrutinizer51then pastebin the whole thing03:23
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angelox|laptopthen i'm going to install openssh (recently flashed phone)03:24
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angelox|laptopi think someway there's no current going to the battery pins03:24
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DocScrutinizer51the script will tell03:26
DocScrutinizer51you'll just need i2ctools as well03:27
DocScrutinizer51apt-get install i2ctools or sth will do I think03:28
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angelox|laptop./ set: line 10: illegal option -h03:31
angelox|laptophmm need install bash i guess03:31
angelox|laptopyes,as i can see in your comments :)03:32
DocScrutinizer51where from is that?03:32
angelox|laptopi did download from:
angelox|laptopthat's wrong place?03:32
DocScrutinizer51that's my ancient script for OM freerunner03:32
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DocScrutinizer51doesn't work on N90003:33
angelox|laptopsorry then03:33
angelox|laptopwhere should i download?03:33
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* angelox|laptop searches03:34
angelox|laptopthen it isn't bq2720003:35
* SpeedEvil realises you can swap batteries in ~.3s03:35
DocScrutinizer51I think I got a copy on
SpeedEvilRaise up the far edge of the battery, and slide another battery underneath.03:35
DocScrutinizer51that's the way03:36
DocScrutinizer51angelox|laptop: sounds right03:37
DocScrutinizer51I suggest bq.tar03:41
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angelox|laptopi did use that03:43
angelox|laptopbut i forgot 5 parameter :)03:43
angelox|laptopone minute please03:43
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DocScrutinizer51sorry connectivity dropouts here03:59
DocScrutinizer51angelox|laptop: did I miss sth since bbl?03:59
angelox|laptopwhat you would like to know about Nokia-N900:~# ./ 5 ?03:59
angelox|laptopi did it and plugged the charger04:00
DocScrutinizer51just pastebin a session of 4 lines aka 20s before. and then some more after plugin of charger04:00
DocScrutinizer51then paste the pastebin URL here04:01
angelox|laptopone second please04:01
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DocScrutinizer51this proves there's no charging at all going on04:07
angelox|laptopthat's bad04:08
angelox|laptopalso after unplugging the charger,the phone remains in 'charging' state for some 3~ secounds04:08
angelox|laptopwhat can i do?04:09
angelox|laptopi mean,i know i can charge only the battery,but i'd like to use the phone to charge it04:10
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DocScrutinizerget, rename it maybe to, and run it04:12
DocScrutinizertell what it displays04:13
angelox|laptopi need go now04:13
angelox|laptopcan i do that tomorrow?04:13
angelox|laptopso good night04:14
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angelox|laptopand thanks by all04:14
DocScrutinizerthough I guess your battery won't sustain until tomorrow, on 3783 mV04:14
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angelox|zzZZzI did put it to charge04:14
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DocScrutinizerit's rather strange what happens at your device04:15
DocScrutinizerbme seems to signal it's charging otherwise I don't see how the phone's GUI can tell it's charging04:16
DocScrutinizerbut looking at the hard facts there is not even an attempt to charge04:16
DocScrutinizerand bq27200 chip thinks battery is at 0% capacity04:17
DocScrutinizerwhich also is a bad thing, but probably caused (and normal then) by externally charging the battery04:17
SpeedEvilBad battery contacts?04:17
DocScrutinizerbad BSI contact04:18
DocScrutinizer:nod: thought same some minutes ago04:18
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DocScrutinizerand no chocolate around :-/04:20
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archlanybody tell me what you use for IRC on N900?05:53
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Sazpaimonis the latest CSSU PR 1.4 or is it still in testing06:40
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crashanddie'sup maemo11:36
merlin1991crashanddie: git black magic11:36
merlin1991That's up ;)11:37
crashanddiethere's no black magic in git, just order and reason.11:37
merlin1991Black magic is the art of doing something nobody else understands11:37
crashanddieI don't see what git has to do with that ;)11:38
crashanddieI've got a couple dozen people using my gitorious install every day, working very smoothly11:38
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ErwinJungeHi guys. Reflash day :) The Nokia-provided backup tool also backs up contacts I hope? Since that's essentially the only I really need it to backup, I want to start with a clean slate. Going to rsync the whole thing now anyways, so can't really miss anything, but would like to be VERY sure.13:13
NIN101/home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts13:14
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MohammadAGflashing only rootfs won't remove contacts anyways :)13:15
ErwinJunge_I want to enlarge /home as well, so eMMC is also going :)13:17
ErwinJunge_My crappy internet dropped btw, did I miss a reply before yours MohammadAG?13:17
NIN101<NIN101> /home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts13:18
ErwinJunge_Thanks :)13:18
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infoboti guess reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models)13:35
ErwinJunge__Hm.. not the info I was looking for :)13:35
ErwinJunge__I have no idea how to tell infobot this, but shouldn't ~reflash mention ?13:36
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ErwinJunge__Btw, why is the rootfs image also called FIASCO? I find it funny to think it's because of the events leading up to a reflash, but that's probably not it ;)13:39
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psycho_oreosI wouldn't know why its called fiasco nor would I know the full name if its an abbreviated term. afaik it doesn't just contain rootfs images, it also contains images for the bootloader (NOLO) amongst a few other things13:44
lbtinfobot: what on earth are you talking about collie for?13:45
infobotlbt: what are you talking about?13:45
lbtinfobot: collie, you muppet13:45
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ErwinJunge__On a related note: That page keeps going on about "this doesn't reset your lock code". I don't use a lock code, but a question does come to mind: What if you forgot your lock code? Is there a way to reset it?13:51
psycho_oreosif your device wasn't initially powered on, no, if your device is still powered on and has not shown the lock code yet then yes13:52
psycho_oreosthough there is a workaround by using older firmware.. I don't know if it works (I think the last time I tried it but it didn't work)13:52
psycho_oreosin either case the lock code is encrypted and can be easily decrypted with a normal computer13:53
ErwinJunge__Ok, so in the remote case that you turn off your phone and forget your lock code before turning it on again (talk about short-term memory) you can still get at it. What encryption does it use that's so easily crackable?13:54
NIN101IIRC  DES13:54
psycho_oreosit is DES13:56
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psycho_oreosits a lot better than its predecessors (i.e. N8x0 and possibly even 770) which had lock codes in plaintext13:56
psycho_oreosIf you turned off your device and forgot it has a lock code, you'll have to use the workaround which requires flashing at least 3 times altogether13:57
NIN101you can boot another OS and read it from mtd, and crack it on your computer13:57
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ErwinJunge__Funny. I never got the point of these things anyways, since by the time someone has physical access to the device all security is broken anyways.13:58
psycho_oreosbooting from another OS requires the other OS to be installed in the first place :)13:59
NIN101yes, therefore I don't see the point in encrypting it. It's just some stupid after all and does not protect your files.13:59
NIN101psycho_oreos: no13:59
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NIN101It's possible to load it with the flasher for example.13:59
psycho_oreosNIN101, yes it is possible but if one is knowledgeable in doing so why go to that extent when a simple reflash would do? plus not all flash methods are 100% safe either14:00
psycho_oreosErwinJunge__, not all the time will the thief be that knowledgeable :)14:01
psycho_oreosin fact in a much simpler scenario that the thief was dumb enough to turn off the stolen device with lock code enabled would probably chuck the device away upon seeing the lock code when the device is turned on.. unless of course the thief is knowledgeable in flashing devices.. again it all depends14:02
NIN101well, for a correct security concept you have to assume that :-).14:02
psycho_oreosthen again if one was that paranoid about it, they can either simply not take their device around and to keep it in a safe when not in use.. or otherwise employ something like truecrypt14:04
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NIN101the latter is what I'm doing, and something more. And the lock code is still activated, if someone steals my phone while it is turned on it's he/she would still have access to the files obviously.14:06
psycho_oreosnot if you set autolock to a much shorter interval :)14:07
SpeedEvildoes lock make mass storage not work?14:08
NIN101yeah, it's on 5 minutes.14:08
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psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, lock code/autolock? no I doubt it14:08
NIN101but how can you click on "mass-storage mode" when the device is locked...14:09
psycho_oreosin fact you can't even get out of the lock screen :)14:09
SpeedEvilNever used lock14:10
psycho_oreosnot afraid of someone else fiddling your device when you're not physically there? ;)14:11
SpeedEvilNo. :(14:11
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psycho_oreosheh that's a bad practise.. I have a habit of autolocking my device14:12
SpeedEvilDepends how often it's out of your posession14:12
psycho_oreosthere's never a depending factor :) once its lost it'll be a lesson learnt or you'll never learn :)14:13
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psycho_oreosi.e. its better to be safe than sorry regardless of the outcome14:13
SpeedEvilBut if you're out with the phone 16h/day, vs 16h/year, forex14:14
psycho_oreosactually thinking about it, you don't really need to even boot with another OS, flash with older PR, etc.. if the thief that has possession of your device, he could get away with using flash box.. there's no need to mess around too much14:15
psycho_oreosit doesn't mean that 16h/year meant that your device is guaranteed to not get stolen within that time frame :)14:15
robbiethe1stYou know... what we really need is a lock screen that, when a wrong password is entered, loads a "blank" home-screen and virtual disk images. And activates Prey.14:16
psycho_oreosyou could be walking home late one time from a pub and you happen to be mugged.. the thieves stole all your important possessions14:16
robbiethe1stTherefor, someone can hit a key, get in(so they won't wipe it) but won't have access to your stuff14:16
SpeedEvilMultiple user accounts would be nice14:17
psycho_oreosI really don't think the thieves would be interested in what you stash on your device.. even if its some rare porn you happen to just have. All they care about is reselling and reaping the profits14:18
robbiethe1stYea, have a "guest" account for error on login...14:18
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psycho_oreosin other words.. if they can freely access your stuff, its a bonus.. otherwise they're in for profit making14:20
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ErwinJunge__For safety reasons I use full system encryption with Fedora on my laptop, but that has the potential danger of "lose your pass, lose everything" since it's completely unrecoverable.14:20
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psycho_oreosidont, just out of curiosity, are you the creator behind that N900's promotional video with the intro that goes off about N900 versus iPhone?14:24
idontpsycho_oreos, nope, haven't made any videos14:25
psycho_oreosidont, fair enough, just funny to keep seeing your handle and being reminded of that video14:25
idontpsycho_oreos, I see ;)14:26
psycho_oreosidont, you do know which video I'm referring to right? :D14:26
idontpsycho_oreos, tbh not, but I do have an idea about the content of that video14:26
ysss*nods to oreos*14:27
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ysssI had a device stolen few weeks ago, all the thief did was to just immediately shut off the wireless connections and reflash it… otherwise I would've been able to track him down14:28
idontpsycho_oreos, haha, I've never seen that video before. I see your point now :-p14:29
idontit even has the capital D in it ( like my TMO account)14:29
psycho_oreosysss, I guess you're unlucky to have the thief knowing how to flash the device.. there was a tmo thread of a lucky person who happen to track his stolen device down when the thief simply restored factory settings14:30
psycho_oreosidont, heh ironic no? :D14:30
SpeedEvilI've protected my device against flashing.14:30
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, wtf how?14:31
SpeedEvilTake the device, put the wall-charger in, and then drop it right on the plug.14:31
psycho_oreoslol and a broken microUSB port :14:31
idontpsycho_oreos, well, it's not like I chose my name because I'm that much into Apple hw ;-)14:32
psycho_oreosthe thief sure will have good time reselling that broken N900 ;)14:32
yssspsycho_oreos: yeah, I read that… and some other blog articles of people stalkingg their thieves as well. I was hoping that my thief would do something 'silly' as that, alas it didn't turn out that way.14:32
SpeedEvilFortunately, the pads at the back look clear - I just need to get up the energy to solder it on14:32
psycho_oreosidont, nah it was coincidental that your handle was the same as that N900 video which gone viral back in the days14:32
psycho_oreosysss, yeah that sucks :/ sorry to hear that14:32
SpeedEvilCurrently swapping battery daily14:33
idontpsycho_oreos, I see14:33
psycho_oreosidont, and a nice music theme to boot :D14:33
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ErwinJunge__Any experiences with swappolube? The wiki page explains the different options, but doesn't have any actual measurements of effects. Did anyone do some sort of benchmark test?14:49
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Psiis there a reason for all these CSSU updates?15:02
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psycho_oreoshd portrait + whitelist + others fix, typo fixed, security fix15:16
psycho_oreosit doesn't hurt to follow that tmo thread :P15:17
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meceanyone having gps issues with latest cssu?15:31
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angelox|laptopHi DocScrutinizer5115:33
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jeremiah_Is there a public key available for
jeremiah_When I use gpg --recv-key ADB4438160A655EF15:35
jeremiah_I'm unable to pull it in15:35
jeremiah_It should likely get published15:35
jeremiah_So that people who are getting warnings can verify the authenticity of the repo15:35
psycho_oreosI'm sure a copy of the key might be on the device itself.. i.e. N90015:35
jeremiah_I'm suspicious that it is not:
trumeeanybody using openvpn on N900?15:37
jeremiah_That thread points to people having problems with that key.15:38
trumeei seem to get "TLS: tls_process: killed expiring key" in openvpn sessions.15:38
jeremiah_trumee: Looks like your key is expired?15:38
trumeejeremiah_: i havent set any key.15:39
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bindijeremiah_: I have the same problem15:39
bindijust did apt-get update15:39
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bindiThe following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF15:39
trumeejeremiah_: seems like there is some permissions issue15:40
jeremiah_trumee: Yeah, I think you're right15:40
jeremiah_What is the name of your Openvpn conf file?15:41
jeremiah_I call mine the default name "tun0.conf"15:41
jeremiah_And on my debian box it lives in /etc/openvpn/15:41
trumeejeremiah_: funny thing is that opevpn process is run as root so it should have all the permissions15:41
trumeejeremiah_: shouldnt matter what the conf files are called i guess15:41
jeremiah_trumee: Yeah. I think it has to run as root since it is giving you a new IP address, but I think permissions will still matter.15:42
jeremiah_trumee: No, you're likely right, shouldn't matter what they are called, but we can at least look at the perms of the conf file15:42
jeremiah_See if we see anything obvious.15:42
trumeejeremiah_: going by the link above, it is probably the cert/key file permissions which matter15:43
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trumeejeremiah_: btw, you dont get that error?15:43
jeremiah_Which error?15:44
jeremiah_The openvpn error or the missing key error?15:44
jeremiah_When I run openvpn here, I don't get any errors.15:45
trumeejeremiah_: expired key error on N900?15:45
jeremiah_trumee: No, but I haven't tried to access that Nokia URL either. :/15:45
jeremiah_This happens from time to time though if I remember correctly.15:45
trumeejeremiah_: the error triggers after exactly one hour of running openvpn15:45
jeremiah_Ah, that. Hmm. Weird.15:46
jeremiah_I wonder if there is a setting you can tweak?15:46
trumeejeremiah_: "reneg-sec 3600"15:47
jeremiah_Have you tweaked that? :)15:47
trumeejeremiah_: not yet but i would rather have the  permissions issue solved rather than tweaking the behaviour15:48
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jeremiah_heh, probably the smarter way to go. :)15:50
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jeremiah_trumee: This is what I have on my conf file: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3457 Aug 26 23:19 /etc/openvpn/tun0.conf15:51
psycho_oreosjeremiah_, have you checked the gpg keys inside /etc/apt on your N900? those trustdb.gpg, trusted.gpg, trusted.gpg~ contains keys for the repositories15:52
trumeehow about the permissions of key file?15:52
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trumeejeremiah_: the permissions of my key file is -rw-------15:53
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trumeejeremiah_: and crt file is -rw-r--r--15:53
jeremiah_Key file has the same perms as yours15:59
jeremiah_But not root15:59
jeremiah_That one is owned by me15:59
jeremiah_psycho_oreos: Are you sure those are up to date? And that they cover the download repo?16:00
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SpeedEvilIt just says 'go away'16:41
SpeedEvilmust be root16:42
keriowhy isn't the user always root anyway16:42
kerioit's a very, *very* single-user system16:42
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SpeedEvilSome seperation is a good idea IMO16:43
SpeedEvilIf only from the fact that userspace can't easily kill non-user processes16:44
DocScrutinizerkerio: running all processes as root is a very poor idea, no matter how single-user the system seems to be16:44
ErwinJunge__kerio: because of the danger of fuckups16:44
kerioDocScrutinizer: sudo gainroot16:44
DocScrutinizerkerio: what?16:44
kerioor HAM16:44
kerioif you're not going to ask for a password you might as well just leave everything open16:45
ErwinJunge__kerio: That is actually a good point, passwordless root is a serious problem. A user that types "sudo gainroot" *should* go into "careful now, this could be dangerous" mode16:46
keriono, gainroot should be removed16:46
kerioadd user to /etc/sudoers, asking for a password16:46
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kerioand set a password16:47
ErwinJunge__That's definetely better, agreed. Same goes for ssh btw. Why do I have to ssh in as root always?16:47
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ErwinJunge__I'm not bothered enough to fix it myself though. Are you?16:48
Sicelou can set sudo gainroot to require password16:48
DocScrutinizerkerio: BS16:48
DocScrutinizergainroot can't be remved16:48
ErwinJunge__Is the ssh as root thing even fixable?16:48
kerioDocScrutinizer: why not16:49
SiceloErwinJunge__: yes, i disabled it on mine16:49
DocScrutinizerkerio: see , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot"16:50
ErwinJunge__Sicelo: Could you provide some instructions? I guess it involves somehow setting a pass for user?16:50
Sicelopity i messed something up somehow, now can't demand password for sudo gainroot :(16:50
DocScrutinizerkerio: (why not) there's no other way on a busybox system to become root16:51
Siceloyes ErwinJunge__, then you edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... there's a part that says 'PermitRootLogin'16:52
kerioDocScrutinizer: /sbin/sudo?16:52
DocScrutinizerkerio: as su doesn't work, due to lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-06-23 06:13 /bin/su -> busybox16:52
keriosudo -i16:52
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DocScrutinizerless `which gainroot`16:54
kerioheh, Scumbag N900 - Marketed to linux nerds / Uses busybox16:54
ErwinJunge__Sicelo: Wouldn't setting a pass for user somehow screw up stuff? It seems to me that if this was a good idea it would be the default?16:54
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Sicelonope. doesn't screw anything :)16:55
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ErwinJunge__Considering that I'm about to reflash anyway, I might as well test it after the rsync is done. rsyncing over usb network takes ages btw.16:55
Siceloso presently u ssh as root and do everything as root too?16:56
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ErwinJunge__I don't like it though, but that's what the default does...16:58
DocScrutinizersu - user16:58
ErwinJunge__I prefer the sudo "root for the duration of one command" style16:58
ErwinJunge__DocScrutinizer: just doing ssh user@n900 seems the "right" way to do things16:59
DocScrutinizeryeah, sure16:59
DocScrutinizerI just didn't bother16:59
Sicelodidn't bother with what DocScrutinizer?16:59
ErwinJunge__Neither did I. It bothers me a bit that I'm always sshing as root, but not enough to fix it yet.16:59
DocScrutinizerwith being / not being root when ssh'ing to N90017:00
DocScrutinizeractually I can ssh in via root and user account same way17:01
DocScrutinizeras I've set up authorized_keys  for user account as well17:02
Siceloif only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again17:02
DocScrutinizeron sudo gainroot?17:02
DocScrutinizerSicelo: see , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot"17:03
ErwinJunge__DocScrutinizer: I get permission denied, since the pass isn't correct (it can't be, since I never set it in the first place)17:03
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge__: on which action?17:03
ErwinJunge__ssh user@n90017:03
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DocScrutinizerthe point is you can't ssh to an account that has no password set17:04
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ErwinJunge__That's what I just said :)17:04
DocScrutinizererr what?17:04
DocScrutinizer>>...since I never set it in the first place<<17:05
ErwinJunge__That I can't ssh in as user since I never set the pass for user17:05
DocScrutinizerso where's the problem?17:05
Siceloyour tools page helped .... but something must have happened thereafter, as no password is required for sudo gainroot, even though all the relevant files are as in your method17:05
DocScrutinizeryou've run update-sudoers?17:06
ErwinJunge__The problem is that I didn't set a pass :) The reason however is that I always thought it might screw up the boot process somehow.17:06
Siceloyes, update-sudoers runs fine17:06
ErwinJunge__ --> This is amazing :)17:07
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Sicelomy /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo file has the Defaults targetpw and USER ALL = PASSWD : /usr/sbin/gainroot17:10
DocScrutinizer~ $ sudo -l |grep gainroot17:11
DocScrutinizer    (root) /usr/sbin/gainroot17:11
DocScrutinizerSicelo: also a sudo -k might help ;-)17:12
DocScrutinizerSicelo: you're aware that sudo usually remembers password for a user, for some 5 min17:12
Siceloi wasn't aware, but this is the same even after a reboot17:14
DocScrutinizerhmm, strange then17:14
Siceloindeed, as for the bove commands, i get the same output u have just posted17:15
infobotSicelo meant: indeed, as for the above commands, i get the same output u have just posted17:15
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DocScrutinizergrep gainroot /etc/sudoers17:16
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DocScrutinizermust be in that file only once, like >> user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot <<17:17
Sicelouser ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot17:18
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infobotit has been said that backupmenu is
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: so only thing I could imagine is you've set an empty root password17:20
DocScrutinizerSicelo: also please try sudo -k17:20
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Sicelolet me confirm root password. i positive i set it, but let me see :)17:22
DocScrutinizersetting root password again is never a bad idea ;-)17:23
DocScrutinizerof course a grep "^root" /etc/passwd also helps17:24
Siceloit's set.17:24
DocScrutinizerthen do an "id" please17:26
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DocScrutinizer(as obviously root doesn't need to enter password for "sudo gainroot")17:27
Sicelouid=0(root) gid=0(root)17:27
Sicelouid=0(root) gid=0(root)17:27
DocScrutinizersu - user17:27
DocScrutinizersudo gainroot17:27
Sicelosorry, the above is if i'm root17:28
Sicelouid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) if i'm user17:28
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DocScrutinizerthat's obvious17:28
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DocScrutinizersudo -k; if [ x$(whoami) == xroot ]; then echo "you're not supposed to run sudo gainroot as root, please use sudo - user!"; fi; root17:32
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# sudo gainroot17:34
DocScrutinizerroot is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.17:34
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: anyway see esp line 1617:38
Siceloguess it will be fixed on a next flash :(17:38
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DocScrutinizerI honestly fail to see where's the problem, except you not being aware of sudo -k17:39
Siceloi run sudo -k, and get back to the prompt17:40
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DocScrutinizerthat's ok, sudo -k just expires the password memory17:41
DocScrutinizerfirst time the root cmd didn't ask for password as it had been in sudo's 5min memory17:42
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DocScrutinizerafter sudo -k it asks for password17:42
DocScrutinizer(line 16)17:42
Sicelofor me it's still the same. strange, because this worked before. guess i installed something which messed it17:43
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DocScrutinizerI can'T see what could mess it up, if there's only one line for gainroot in etc/sudoers17:44
DocScrutinizeronly a rooted /usr/sbin/sudo could cause this17:45
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -l `which sudo`17:45
DocScrutinizer-rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 2009-04-17 10:50 /usr/bin/sudo17:45
DocScrutinizerif this binary is correct, and /etc/sudoers file is correct, then how could it fail?17:46
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DocScrutinizergrep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers17:47
Siceloand i have same output too, except mine is 90040 bytes :/17:47
DocScrutinizeryour device got rooted ;-P17:48
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# grep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers17:49
DocScrutinizeruser ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot17:49
DocScrutinizerthere must not be more than one line containing gainroot in etc/sudoers!17:49
Siceloi have only one17:50
DocScrutinizerif there isn't, and the one line in yours looks like that one above, then the sudo binary is the culprit17:50
* Sicelo suspects package sudser 17:50
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bindiis there any weather widget that can connect to 3G hourly and disconnect after it has fetched the new data17:54
DocScrutinizerno widget does disconnect from 3G17:54
DocScrutinizerSicelo: seems sudser is "clean"17:55
Siceloi think i'll try reinstall rootsh and see17:57
DocScrutinizerbindi: basically icd2 does "disconnect" though actually you never disconnect from 3G APN login usually - there are some apps that claim to do that, for errr unclear reasons, as mere being "online" not in itself eats any power or data volume17:57
DocScrutinizerSicelo: I'd like to understand why your sudo binary has different size than mine17:57
kevin_bhey guys17:58
kevin_bdoes some of u develop on device?17:58
kevin_bI would just like to know where is the 4.74 qt-x11-maemo17:58
kevin_balso is there a arm qt4-dev package for this version?17:59
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Sicelohere's mine, looks similar ..
DocScrutinizerhmm, yeah. so WTF it has different size?18:04
DocScrutinizeractually I start to think about s/;-P/:-S/ in [2011-09-10 16:48:14] <DocScrutinizer> your device got rooted ;-P18:04
DocScrutinizerplease paste full output of   ls -l `which sudo`18:05
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DocScrutinizersigh, this one line could've been the output ;-P18:09
DocScrutinizersysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver ?18:10
DocScrutinizerplease don't pastebin18:10
DocScrutinizer:-D it's also one line18:10
DocScrutinizerRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0  here18:10
DocScrutinizersome fsckng rogue package installed a fake /usr/bin/sudo on your system18:12
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DocScrutinizeror on mine ;-P18:12
bindiDocScrutinizer: so you're saying being connected to the internet using 3G and doing nothing doesnt drain battery more?18:12
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly18:13
DocScrutinizerunless you are getting pings from the internet18:13
idontDocScrutinizer: busybox-power (extras-devel version) fixes su: /bin/su -> /bin/busybox_root18:13
idontwhich has: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 80768 Sep 10 14:50 /bin/busybox_root18:13
Sicelolol, i think it's my side, and i'm really suspecting sudser. i think the behavior started around time i anstalled it18:13
DocScrutinizerfor that there's actually only the teardown of GPRS connection18:13
idontthough I know you dislike 'messybox' ;-). Just sayin'18:14
DocScrutinizerSicelo: I cheked the sudser source in that .tgz, it looks "clean"18:14
DocScrutinizeridont: thanks for informing me18:15
idontDocScrutinizer: yw18:15
idontbtw, don't mind the date of the /bin/busybox_root binary, I'm currently testing BusyBox 1.19.2, which has been released a few days ago, on my device.18:16
* Sicelo wonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/18:17
DocScrutinizeridont: I'd not like to swap fremantle busybox for any augmented stuff, too much risk to break system init. I'd rather go for a parallel decent shell plus unix tools every day18:17
DocScrutinizerSicelo: go for it18:19
DocScrutinizerdon't forget to copy the "rogue" sudo binary to a safe place prior to doing apt-get install18:20
DocScrutinizerfor later forensic purposes18:20
idontDocScrutinizer: yep, I've noticed your opinion in the chan log before, and I see your point. I, for one, like to have most of the common *NIX utilities on my device by default without taking up too much space. When I do need full GNU versions, I'll only install those.18:21
idontBut of course, bash > ash :-)18:21
DocScrutinizerfair enough, I just am concerned about the risk to swap out stock busybox18:21
idontif I may believe, then it should be risk free as I haven't had a single report of a failing device18:22
DocScrutinizeryuck, my grammar gets worse every day... *I'm just concerned*18:22
idont*relatively risk free, you can never be sure of course18:22
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DocScrutinizeranyway fellas, RL is fading away around me, since hours actually. IOW I need a break18:24
Sicelothanks :)18:25
DocScrutinizerSicelo: what's your policy for sudo?18:25
DocScrutinizeratp-cache policy sudo18:26
DocScrutinizerapt even18:26
DocScrutinizersame as here?18:26
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Siceloyes, same18:29
DocScrutinizerso go and reinstall from nokia repo via apt-get18:29
DocScrutinizercheck if size changed after that18:29
DocScrutinizerprior to that do a cp `which sudo` /home/user/MySpace18:30
DocScrutinizerand MAKE A BACKUP!! preferrably via BM18:30
infobothmm... backupmenu is
DocScrutinizeras breaking sudo or the sudoers config will definitely kill your system and require a reflash usually18:31
bindihow can I get adblock for opera on the n900?18:32
* DocScrutinizer is Over&Out18:32
DocScrutinizerSicelo: you got R&D mode enabled?18:35
DocScrutinizer(not that this would explain the different size of binary, but it would explain the behaviour at least)18:36
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Sicelono. i have never used R&D18:41
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trumeeFor some of my sites microb always asks for a password even though i have saved them before. weird.19:01
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ErwinJunge__Sicelo, DocScrutinizer: -rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root         90040 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo --> Mine is same size as Sicelo's19:06
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ErwinJunge__Quick reboot19:08
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DocScrutinizerweird stuff, on my both devices it's 9158419:15
DocScrutinizerI wonder if any of the *-gnu packages I installed might have replaced it19:16
DocScrutinizerif any apt/dpkg guru would tell me how to find *all* the packages on a deb system that provide a certain file...19:17
javispedroit requires special information on the repo I do not think provides19:18
javispedroit's called apt-file19:18
javispedrounless you mean "all installed packages"?19:18
DocScrutinizerthanks javispedro19:18
javispedrothen it's easy19:18
javispedrodpkg -S /file19:18
DocScrutinizerof course all installed pkgs19:18
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# dpkg -S `which sudo`19:19
DocScrutinizersudo: /usr/bin/sudo19:19
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Can't test for you right now, in reflashing19:21
infobotErwinJunge meant: DocScrutizer: Can't test for you right now, in reflashing19:21
ErwinJungeAh, you got what I meant :)19:22
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DocScrutinizerapt-cache policy $(dpkg -S $(which sudo)|cut -d: -f1)19:24
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DocScrutinizergives a proper Installed: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5 500 ./ Packages19:25
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thanks :-)19:29
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: what's your size in ls -l `which sudo` ?19:30
javispedrofremantle pr1.3, mdate Apr 17 200919:31
DocScrutinizerlol, yeah, that's same on all systems it seems19:31
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# busybox ls -l `which sudo`19:33
DocScrutinizer-rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root        91584 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo19:33
ErwinJungephew, phone still lives. Flashing anything (phone, bios, anything) always leads to a high-stress situation for me. I'm just very scared to brick stuff.19:35
ErwinJungeAfter it finally finishes booting for the first time, I'll tell you what sudo looks like on a fresh pr1.3 system19:36
DocScrutinizer:-D \o/19:38
ErwinJunge-rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root         90040 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo19:38
bindiuh huh, can you change the user agent of the opera browser?19:38
ErwinJungeI.e. your sudo is the one that's different19:39
bindimobile youtube not giving me all videos..19:39
ErwinJungeHm... wtf. It says it can't find my sim card...19:40
Sicelocould these differences be firmware related?19:40
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: would you mind following the steps as of >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot19:41
Sicelowhat's way to force re-install of sudo? i have backed everything up now19:41
DocScrutinizerand see if it asks for a root password for you, on sudo gainroot19:41
ErwinJungeSicelo: There's nothing wrong with your sudo. It's exactly the same size and date as the freshly flashed edition.19:41
bindihow do I get flash for the opera mini D:19:42
ErwinJungeI'm starting to think I might have damaged something a while ago when I accidentaly dropped the phone... Could that cause the missing sim?19:42
DocScrutinizeryes, indeed19:42
SiceloDocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards19:44
DocScrutinizerdepends, usually not. Though there's a lot of reasons why it can tell "SIM not found"19:44
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: when did you download your firmware image?19:45
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DocScrutinizercould it be Nokia sneaking in with a modified version of sudo binary some point in time in the past?19:46
DocScrutinizerobviously it's not the first time they silently change the firmware image19:46
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Mine is dated 2010-11-0419:46
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i like the rsync script on your webpage. You sync your fs with computer everyday?19:47
* Sicelo wonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/[A[A[A[Aman-db-pages: /opt/man/man8/sudoedit.8.gz19:47
DocScrutinizerI hope it does ;-)19:47
ErwinJungeI didn't redownload today since the version number didn't change (I checked the nokia website)19:47
trumeeDocScrutinizer: backup if the device is stolen?19:48
Sicelodownloaded July 4, same day i bought my n900 :P19:48
DocScrutinizertrumee: more like if it breaks19:48
Sicelosorry for the spam just now :-s19:48
javispedroTI MetaWatch might be shipping already19:49
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: I was assuming the missing sim had been a software issue. It's one of the reasons I decided to reflash.19:49
trumeeDocScrutinizer: cool. Did you ever try opensync with contacts?19:50
trumeeDocScrutinizer: with Kontact/kaddressbook.19:50
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I'm lost - we see two filesizes for Sudo version 1.6.8p12, and we see two different behaviours regarding asking for password, and both are not related19:50
DocScrutinizertrumee: I gave up on that :-/19:51
javispedroDocScrutinizer: well, the answer here is "reflash the nonworking one"19:51
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ah, good to know you did try. Opensync refused to talk to N900?19:51
DocScrutinizerwhich is what ErwinJunge just did, and seems the filesize didn't change and still is not the filesize of my sudo which still works as supposed19:52
javispedrowhat's the failure?19:52
DocScrutinizertrumee: it was such a mess I have even forgotton about details19:52
trumeeDocScrutinizer: my bug report was set as invalid :(,
povbotBug 10023: OpenSync/Syncml fails on N90019:53
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: [2011-09-10 16:02:28] <Sicelo> if only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again19:54
trumeeOpensync guys have been stuck with code for a very long time19:54
javispedroI wouldn't play much with sudo config either way19:55
javispedrochances for a reboot loop are giant19:55
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: we checked Sicelo's setup is identical to mine, as of
DocScrutinizer[2011-09-10 18:44:24] <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards19:55
DocScrutinizeronly thing that seems to differ is filesize of sudo binary19:56
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: this should tickle your spider senses and signal there's sth completely fishy, no?19:57
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Sicelojust been checking irc logs...
Siceloat that point in time, it worked as expected19:59
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: You can update your page btw, 8192 confirmed to work as size for /home20:00
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xmltvare there any EPG / TV guides available for N900?20:00
ErwinJungeRelated to that, you still need to remove the possibly faulty 28G claim20:00
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DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: done. thanks20:07
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DocScrutinizer*sigh* - could somebody else than Sicelo check if §# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot   will work for them, please? And then report here, together with a copy of ls -l `which sudo`  output20:31
DocScrutinizerif you're reluctant than even a report of  >> ls -l `which sudo`  << showing a different filesize than 90040 would be fine20:33
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Sorry still working on it. Wanted to clean up my phone first.20:33
ErwinJungeGot openssh installed now, so will go and try it20:34
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: thanks, mate :-)20:34
DocScrutinizernevertheless some more contributions highly appreciated, so we could finnaly see a pattern20:34
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DocScrutinizerI could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file20:36
xmltvanyone have Interest in say, port of ontv or like? :)20:36
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DocScrutinizerooh he's back20:37
ErwinJungexmltv: What?20:37
DocScrutinizer[2011-09-10 19:00:55] <xmltv> are there any EPG / TV guides available for N900?20:37
DocScrutinizerI could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file20:38
javispedrothat's why I suggested flashing =)20:39
DocScrutinizerto break my working sudo? ;-P20:39
javispedroor fs is broken, or ..20:39
javispedroI'm still not sure what's broken or working20:39
ErwinJungepassword was asked for20:40
DocScrutinizermy sudo works as expected, asks for password on "root" and "sudo gainroot"20:40
ErwinJungeAnd root given after correct pass20:40
xmltvim just thinking, each time my pc aint alive, i miss having my notifications for series coming up20:40
xmltvnobody have a magazine with tv airing-listings lying by the remote no more hehe20:40
javispedroand you want to remove asking for the password, or you want to make it ask for a password?20:40
DocScrutinizerof course we want to make it ask for password XD20:41
xmltvhonestly, on the phone?20:41
xmltvshouldnt have a sudoers environment..20:41
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: In summary, it works on reflash. Filesize still 9004020:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: not that obvious, imho it's stupid thing to do20:41
javispedroeither way check for NOPASSWD in sudoers as that's the default20:41
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: works for you, filesize 90040 ??20:41
RST38hxmltv: Furthermore, few people watch TV any more20:42
xmltvrst38h hehe20:42
RST38hWhich reminds me...20:42
ErwinJungexmltv: not interest here, I d/l everything20:42
Siceloit worked for me with that filesize too. i just don't understand what could have changed it20:42
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Yup. It asks for pass, filesize 9004020:42
xmltvwell, xmltv usage is also meant for say, digital channels20:42
ErwinJungeThe plot thickens20:42
merlin1991I had sudo that didn't ask for pw some time ago20:43
merlin1991(before a reflash)20:43
DocScrutinizerthen WTF is wrong with that filesize? And - completely unrelated - WTF is wrong with Sicelo 's setup/system?20:43
merlin1991but iirc then it wasn't like that on the original flash came with something20:43
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Specifically, wtf is wrong with YOUR filesize20:43
RST38hmhm, no, the elves have not digitized the latest DrWho yet.20:43
ErwinJungeSince I'm convinced that 90040 is the correct one20:44
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: or that, yes :-D20:44
Sicelobut size has nothing to do with this particular behaviour, that's obvious20:44
ErwinJunge90040 is the size of the file immediately after reflash20:44
ErwinJungeFirst thing I did was ls -l `which sudo`20:44
xmltvecho "user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers20:45
DocScrutinizeranyway I got that 91584 on TWO devices, one of them never got updated since 1.2 days20:45
DocScrutinizerxmltv: BZZZZZ wrong20:45
xmltvthats default way20:45
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DocScrutinizerthat's not maemo way though20:45
* Sicelo now wonders if he doesn't have extra space or something in his /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo20:45
DocScrutinizerxmltv: default way to fsckup your system on maemo20:46
ErwinJungeMaybe it's a difference in image? I use the global edition.20:46
DocScrutinizersame here20:46
xmltvi wouldnt mess with it anyways, having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe :p20:47
merlin1991whatabout sudo gainroot, and all the "win" it brings? :D20:47
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver20:47
ErwinJunge8GB of app space feels so enormously liberating. Why didn't Nokia do that as the default?20:48
ErwinJungeThat's the same version20:48
ErwinJungeSo that's not the cause either20:48
DocScrutinizerxmltv: merlin1991: sorry you both lost me20:48
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: SSU vs. flashing img20:48
DocScrutinizerI guess my sudo binaries are both pre-1.320:49
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: "having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe", I was saying that rootsh basically brings the same mayhem20:49
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merlin1991but still is considered the good solution to start hacking20:49
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: yes, we are all aware that un+-installing rootsh will kill the "security" introduced by my # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot  "hack"20:50
xmltvhang on doc, let me open my tablet and give u details on how i did it20:50
DocScrutinizerxmltv: honestly, not needed. But thanks20:51
xmltvargh, i was hacked and someone called 'shutdown -h now' on my root prompt...20:51
xmltvah.. no, just needs the electrical outlet charger :p20:51
javispedroeither way, my personal config is to leave all sudoers as defaults, do not isntall rootsh (so gainroot is a nop), and install an extra file that allows sudo -s to work (without password, my personal preference)20:52
DocScrutinizerwell, that's basically what rootsh does as well20:52
javispedroseemingly badly20:53
javispedrobecause it's not working =)20:53
javispedroand I doubt it's an issue with the sudo binary itself20:53
DocScrutinizerrootsh works20:53
DocScrutinizerever did20:53
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* javispedro 's still not sure what kind of problem you have then..20:54
DocScrutinizerobviously I completely missed to state my point (once again)20:54
javispedroeither way, have to go again, sorry.20:54
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xmltva workaround; add to .bashrc: alias soho="ssh root@localhost", create (ssh-keygen) as user, do "cat > /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2"20:55
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: Sicelo tried to follow what I adviced in # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot  in, and it didn't work for him20:55
DocScrutinizerSicelo: your idea about hidden chars in 01sudo is a good thinking20:56
DocScrutinizerxmltv: WHAT?20:56
strangrwhen i try to deploy an app that uses QtMultimediaKit 1.2 i get the error module “QtMultimediaKit” is not installed import QtMultimediaKit 1.2 ^20:56
strangrI have already installed the package libqtm-12 on the device using apt-get20:57
xmltvthats how i gain root, running ssh server and connecting myself to localhost as root user20:57
strangrmaemo5 freemantle pr1.320:57
DocScrutinizerso what's wrong with rootsh?20:57
strangrsomeone please help20:57
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strangrcode is here
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Siceloby the way, how do i get vi or nano to show if there are spaces or other characters?20:58
DocScrutinizerseems yu all lost the thread some hours ago, except Sicelo, ErwinJunge and me20:58
DocScrutinizerSicelo: err, not at all?20:58
DocScrutinizeryou can spot them by moving the cursor20:59
xmltvstrangr the deployed app is .py?20:59
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: uninstall rootsh, reinstall rootsh, do again:21:00
DocScrutinizersed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/;\21:00
DocScrutinizer s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL =\21:00
DocScrutinizer PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" \21:00
DocScrutinizer -i  /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo21:00
strangrxmltv no21:00
xmltv'import QTMuti..' comes from what exactly then?21:00
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: maybe you *missed* a space, e.g on ALL = PASSWD:21:02
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strangrxmltv its QML21:02
DocScrutinizercould easily result in "ALL =PASSWD:" the way I've broken up the lines21:03
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* DocScrutinizer ponders deploying proper script files for download, rather than these froggin wiki <pre>foo passages</pre>21:04
xmltvstrangr aye, dont know much about that tbh... however 'import' is looking for library along a path LD_LIBRARY_PATH (and perhaps something similar toQML_LIB_PATH)21:04
xmltvstrangr since your installed library most likely is an extras-devel, your tablet may not know where it is located (prefix could be /usr/local?)21:05
strangr<xmltv> see in main.cpp I have the line  viewer.setMainQmlFile(QLatin1String("qml/xyz/main.qml"));21:05
fralsrun the binary with QML_IMPORT_TRACE=1 and you can see where it searches for the imports, make sure libqtm-12 installs files in the correct dirs21:06
strangr<frals> viewer.engine()->addImportPath(QString("/home/opt/qtm12/imports"));21:06
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Considering these things are mostly "best practice" anyways, how about integrating with CSSU?21:07
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DocScrutinizererr, well...21:07
strangr<frals> wont that add the directory into  wherever it searches imports21:07
fralsi would assume so, but double check with import trace...21:07
DocScrutinizerseems nobody would like to get default PASSWD: in sudo gainroot with CSSU21:07
ErwinJungeI do :)21:08
strangr<frals> fine will do that21:08
ErwinJungeAnd it *is* best practice21:08
DocScrutinizerhmm, javispedro was all of a different notion21:08
xmltvstrangr win-win for you is to locate the library path yourself, then call binary with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=<LOCATED_PATH>:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH <executable binary>21:09
DocScrutinizerand indeed a password that's broken that easily is of questionable benefit except to stop sysadmin friend who 'borrow' your phone while you're peeing21:09
ErwinJungeScripts that users download that kill the system by simply calling "root" and then do evil?21:10
strangr<xmltv> thanks21:10
DocScrutinizeryou'd at very least add password protection for HAM as well21:10
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ErwinJungeI'm assuming QA would get evil stuff out of the repos21:11
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: you can do same by downloading a package with a rogue postinstall script21:11
DocScrutinizer(QA) BWAHAHAHA21:11
ErwinJungeThat's not caught by the auto QA?21:12
ErwinJungeThen what's the point of the QA procedure at all? :)21:12
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ErwinJungeDinner now, afk21:12
DocScrutinizerafk here as well21:12
DocScrutinizergood luck Sicelo21:12
Sicelothanks for your efforts :)21:13
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* DocScrutinizer notices exposing qualities of a bull terrier, this 90040 vs 91584 issue eats my tranquility21:40
DocScrutinizerIOW it drives me mad21:41
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DocScrutinizerI see me flashing PR1.2 in a few hours :-S21:41
DocScrutinizeranybody around who updated to PR1.3 via SSU and definitely never flashed since then?21:42
derfI'm still on 1.2.21:43
DocScrutinizerif there's anybody, please paste result of >> ls -l `which sudo` <<21:43
DocScrutinizerderf: \o/21:43
DocScrutinizermy hero :-)21:43
RST38hMoo, derf21:44
RST38hThe conservative lobby of #maemo21:44
nox-91584 Apr 17  200921:45
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GeneralAntillesderf, CSSU.21:45
DocScrutinizerI was RIGHT, RIGHT right right righ...21:45
nox-(1.3 upgraded from 1.2 over wifi)21:45
derf-rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root        91584 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo21:45
DocScrutinizerso another miracle solved21:46
nox-what was the issue?21:46
DocScrutinizerusers that flashed 1.3 have filesize 9004021:46
RST38hAnd why is it a problem?21:47
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RST38hBTW, Ovi Store appears to only allow one mobile phone21:48
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strangr<xmltv>got rid of that error22:07
xmltvstrangr awesome :)22:07
strangr<xmltv> had to move the set import statement above the statement that loads the qml22:07
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strangr<xmltv> but now i m gettin something worse22:08
strangrCameraBin error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem.22:08
strangrCamera error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem.22:08
strangrCamera state changed: QCamera::UnloadedState22:08
strangr<xmltv> any ideas?22:09
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xmltvafraid im clueless when it comes to gstreamer.. seems like youre missing gstreamer plugin for camera allthought i find that hard to believe22:11
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xmltvapt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera => allready newest version right?22:14
strangrneed to check that22:15
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Congrats on solving one of the great mysteries of our time :)22:15
ErwinJungeSicelo: CSSU what?22:15
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DocScrutinizerheh :-D22:15
ErwinJungeNow to figure out what the difference is and why it's not updated with the SSU ;)22:16
ErwinJungeAnyways, I'm off. Byebye all22:18
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strangrxmltv thanks neway22:23
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strangrxmltv i'll check gstreamer plugins.. i must be having the latest versions to my knowledge22:24
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angelox|laptopDocScrutninzer: doing ...22:28
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angelox|laptopi only don't find i2cset22:30
angelox|laptopcan't *22:30
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NIN101i2cset is in i2c-tools iirc22:34
angelox|laptopE: Couldn't find package 12c-tools22:35
infobotangelox|laptop meant: E: Couldn't find package i2c-tools22:35
angelox|laptopi need compile them i think22:35
merlin1991nah they are in the devel repos for sure22:37
merlin1991hen depends on them22:37
merlin1991here we go:
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: you can install them from extras-devel22:41
DocScrutinizermerlin1991 said that it seems22:41
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: btw bq.tgz of ShadowJK  comes with i2c* as well22:42
DocScrutinizeralas I guess each method installes them elsewhere, so you might have to edit some paths22:43
angelox|laptopi'm running charger22:43
angelox|laptopwhat would you like to know?22:44
DocScrutinizeranyway i2ctools are in bq.tgz same location you found
angelox|laptopStatus: 0x9022:44
DocScrutinizerdoes it chage? ;-D22:44
DocScrutinizerlooks rather good22:44
angelox|laptopbut Battery level stills in 0%22:44
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DocScrutinizerpaste full output of one minute, as well as bq27200.sh22:45
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DocScrutinizermeh, it won't jump to 100% in 30s ;-D22:45
DocScrutinizerit's the current that counts22:45
angelox|laptoplet me restart22:46
DocScrutinizerdoes it flow into or out of battery22:46
DocScrutinizeropen one shell running 522:46
DocScrutinizeropen another after that, and run charger there22:46
angelox|laptopyes,but i need add > /path/for/some/file/22:47
angelox|laptopor install openssh22:47
DocScrutinizerbtw first you need to `stop bme`22:48
angelox|laptopdidn't know22:48 conflicts with bme22:48
DocScrutinizerI just checked if takes care about it - it doesn't22:49
DocScrutinizerso issue `stop bme` before starting with connecting charger22:49
DocScrutinizerthen start bq27200.sh22:50
DocScrutinizerthen start charger.sh22:50
DocScrutinizerthen post the outputs of both22:50
angelox|laptopone minute sir :)22:50
DocScrutinizeractually you could start even before stopping bme22:52
DocScrutinizerdoesn't hurt and gives more info22:52
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DocScrutinizerjust in case you hadn't started the whole procedure yet22:52
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angelox|laptopthen 0x90 looks good?22:53
DocScrutinizerso the sequence is: start bq27200, stop bme, connect charger, start charge.sh22:54
Palican somebody help me with osso-abook and telepathy libraries?22:54
DocScrutinizerif [ $STATUS == 0x10 ] || [ $STATUS == 0x90 ] ; then         MODE="CHARGING"22:54
DocScrutinizerecho $(date) "standby -> CHARGING. Current available capacity: " $NAC "mAh" >> /home/user/MyDocs/charger.log22:55
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angelox|laptopthen start bme?22:56
angelox|laptopthere's a solid orange light now22:56
DocScrutinizerthis all looks very very strange22:58
angelox|laptopi know :(22:58
angelox|laptopshould i strike my phone at the wall? :)22:58
DocScrutinizerI'd prefer to see what's actually going on input/cmd side as well22:58
angelox|laptopthat's what i did:
angelox|laptopand this with some accidents
angelox|laptopshould i start bme again? i don't know anything about it23:00
DocScrutinizerplease reboot the phone, then run for some minutes and paste23:02
DocScrutinizerwithout charger connected23:02
angelox|laptopwith the charger?23:02
angelox|laptopah o23:02
DocScrutinizerto be precise run bq27200 and after some defined time connect charger23:02
DocScrutinizermake a mark in the bq27200 output on when charger got connected23:03
angelox|laptopof course23:03
DocScrutinizerrun both situations for at least one minute23:03
DocScrutinizerwith screen dim23:03
DocScrutinizervia ssh23:03
angelox|laptopscreen dim?23:03
angelox|laptopah ok23:03
DocScrutinizerthis one line mentioning >450mA draft from battery scares me23:04
angelox|laptopthe battery currently is weak23:05
DocScrutinizerwell, yeah it's ~3.700V23:05
angelox|laptopjust ./  ? or ./ 5 ?23:05
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DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: powerkernel?23:09
angelox|laptopi just can't understand why negative values23:09
DocScrutinizerlsmod|grep bq23:10
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: negative values are discharge current23:10
DocScrutinizerit discharges faster after charger connected :-P23:10
angelox|laptoplsmod|grep bq doesn't returns anything23:11
DocScrutinizernow keep 5 running23:11
DocScrutinizerstop bme23:11
DocScrutinizerstart charge.sh23:11
DocScrutinizerpaste the output of bq again, mark where you've done what23:12
angelox|laptopnow i'm not sure when i have done the things :(23:13
angelox|laptopi did everything on the run23:13
DocScrutinizerI'll be able to tell from the logs (I hope)23:13
angelox|laptopi'd like to meter if the battery pins are receiving current,but i don't know how leave the phone powered on without battery23:14
DocScrutinizerbtw keep all running23:14
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DocScrutinizeryou can't23:14
angelox|laptopsome time: | | |23:15
angelox|laptopi don't know if the last one is important23:16
ShadowJKwow that old charge.sh23:16
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: you're sure your charger is OK? looks like it'd provide just some 4.x Volt23:18
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angelox|laptophow can i check it? :(23:19
angelox|laptopanother phone it chargers i think23:19
ShadowJK0x90 is kinda strange, typically you'd see 0x10 if wallcharger=123:19
DocScrutinizeryour phone detects there's a charger connected, it also detects it delivers voltage to vbus and has D+- short23:19
DocScrutinizerbut it doesn't charge23:19
DocScrutinizeryeah. sth id odd23:20
angelox|laptopi did check in the shop,new battery really costs expansive,just imagine a new charger :(23:20
ShadowJKwere those ./ readings taken with screen on or off? Stock kernel or kernel-power?23:21
DocScrutinizerno PK, screen off23:21
* angelox|laptop is going to shot his N900 to wall23:22
DocScrutinizerbetter ask Nokia for a repair on warranty23:22
ShadowJKthe current draw is consistent with screen off, usb on, charger off. Which is damn strange, since charger thinks it's charging23:22
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: exactly23:22
DocScrutinizermight happen when wallwart-charger voltage is way too low23:22
angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: i've already sent my phone 2 times23:23
DocScrutinizerthough I'd think bq24150 should detect volt-low or supply-bad or sth thn23:23
angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: unfortunately they don't do ANYTHING. The phone fakely charges,so they thinks it's ok23:23
angelox|laptopfirst time: we've updated your software23:24
bindisecond time: enjoy your E723:24
DocScrutinizertell them you want it back with battery CHARGED by the phone23:24
angelox|laptopsecound time: we have changed your battery23:24
DocScrutinizeranyway, first check your wallcharger23:24
DocScrutinizeruse another charger23:25
SpeedEvilWhat's the current on what happens if you submit your n900 for repair, and request a n900 as a replacemet?23:25
angelox|laptopSpeedEvil: i don't know how to ask that, they see the CHARGING BAR moving,they say "It's working"23:26
angelox|laptopfrustrating :(23:26
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: try same procedure as before, but this time with your PC as power source23:26
DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: tell them you only take it back when they CHARGED your empty battery to 100% *with the phone*23:27
ShadowJKalso, the usb phy has a signal line to bq24150, which goes active after charger detection and charger=1, and makes the status 0x10 instead of 0x9023:27
DocScrutinizerwill take them 4h to sit the phone on some desk until they notice it switched down with empty battery despite "charging"23:27
ShadowJKSo this would indicate a break, and since bq24150 thinks it's charging, the current has to go somewhere23:27
ShadowJKThough I'd also try reetart charge21.sh23:28
DocScrutinizererr, this won't change any of the problems23:29
ShadowJKnope, but version 21 has soft-start ;-)23:29
DocScrutinizeronly complicates things23:29
angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: another problem: the warranty is at 20km~ (IIRC) from my home23:30
DocScrutinizerI'd really think the wallwart is maybe bonkers23:30
ShadowJKcat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus23:30
ShadowJKor have you gone through that23:30
DocScrutinizernot yet23:30
* angelox|laptop is booting his n900 to test again from PC charging23:30
* DocScrutinizer hands over the mic to ShadowJK23:31
ShadowJKI'm watching a western on tv23:31
ShadowJKJane Fonda23:31
angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: what should i do with it connected to PC? just the bq27200?23:32
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ShadowJKthat's a good start23:33
angelox|laptopbme stoppedd ?23:33
* ShadowJK always has bq27200 running in an xterm23:33
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ShadowJKbq27200 can be run with bme both started and stopped. I'd try with bme started first23:34
angelox|laptopbut it stills discharging23:35
angelox|laptop10:55 3660 0    0    -185 0    0    0    65535 0     33  023:35
DocScrutinizerthen stop it and start charger.sh23:35
ShadowJKOut of curiosity, does usb mass storage work?23:36
angelox|laptopThat's not a sw problem23:36
angelox|laptopShadowJK: yes23:36
angelox|laptopeven PR1.2 didn't work23:36
Sicelo0.o how have u been surviving all this time?23:37
angelox|laptop |
ShadowJKThis is very strange, because if it was simple broken between charger chip and battery, charge chip would give an error..23:38
DocScrutinizerI suspect some component of bq24150 broken23:39
angelox|laptopyes,the current from charging is comming,and going to some(magic)where,and it is not the battery23:39
infobotangelox|laptop meant: yes,the current from charger is comming,and going to some(magic)where,and it is not the battery23:39
DocScrutinizerthere's no current coming from charging23:39
DocScrutinizerand it's obviously not going anywhere23:39
angelox|laptopdid you see my last pastebins ?23:40
angelox|laptopkind of strange23:40
DocScrutinizeryou could test if booston can provide 5V to USB connector, but you'd need a h-e-n F-F-USB-adapter to actually find out, I guess23:40
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DocScrutinizerwell, your battery is shortly going to shutdown the system on low voltage23:42
DocScrutinizererr, your system is shutting down on low battery voltage23:43
angelox|laptopthen,actually what can i do about my phone?23:43
DocScrutinizerit evidently doesn't charge no matter what you do23:43
DocScrutinizersend in for repair23:43
* angelox|laptop 'll send his phone to USA,or any other country,they(warranty shop) shouldn't be so stupid like in Brazil23:43
trumeeis there any utility to chkdsk N900 FAT partition?23:43
infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is
angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, for some *really magic* way,it charged a bit when i was trying meego23:45
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ponder this: L1140 defect23:45
angelox|laptopbut i'm not sure if it charged while dd'ing for the eMMC or when it was booted up23:46
DocScrutinizeror C114123:46
ShadowJKbut if current through its sense resistor drops below 50 it'd terminate as ... oh it wouldn't if voltage was too low on output23:46
DocScrutinizerbooston is the tool to check23:47
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angelox|laptopwhat is booston?23:48
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Sicelo/usr/sbin/booston , at least if u have h-e-n23:49
fizzieWas *so* tempted to say "it's a ciity in Maassachusetts".23:50
angelox|laptopi haven't no more h-e-n since my device has been flashed 10~ times23:50
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DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: use that script23:52
angelox|laptoplol         4) errortext2="Battery OVP - WTF are you doing?";;23:52
DocScrutinizerwatch out, the attachment is not the script ;-)23:53
angelox|laptopi see23:53
angelox|laptopbut i'm not sure if i have enough power for the test23:53
DocScrutinizer--> 03) "battery too low, VBUS shut off"23:55
angelox|laptopshould i use it with(out) the charger?23:55
DocScrutinizerit's meant to power the USB internally ;-)23:56
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DocScrutinizeryou need to shut down BME for it to work23:56
DocScrutinizerooh actually it takes care23:57
angelox| line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/ /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found23:57
angelox|laptopthat's sh booston.sh23:58
angelox|laptopjust ./ does: -sh: ./ Permission denied23:58
DocScrutinizerchmod a+x ./booston.sh23:58
angelox| line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/ /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found23:59
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angelox|laptopsorry,bad GDM23:59
angelox|laptopdid i miss something after my last message?23:59

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