| rzr-mob | if you hate mg feel free to forkit and rename and push back mg and mg-editor | 00:00 |
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| rzr-mob | i am in train now on my phone now | 00:01 |
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| RST38h | rzr: nah, I neither hate nor like it | 00:03 |
| RST38h | rzr: personally, used to pico (or nano) | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oi javispedro | 00:48 |
| javispedro | hi there | 00:49 |
| rzr-mob | hi mr radio | 00:49 |
| javispedro | ha :) | 00:49 |
| javispedro | this reminds me... | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ 16.7 installs | 00:49 |
| rzr-mob | what is this release ? | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU | 00:50 |
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| rzr-mob | cool | 00:50 |
| javispedro | damn, neither Venemo or MAG are here =) | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, where's moh? | 00:51 |
| * javispedro ponders | 00:52 | |
| javispedro | should I try fmtx? =) | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, why not | 00:52 |
| javispedro | requires runtime patching of the kernel ... check. ignroing several warnings about not doing it .. check. issuing potentially destructive commands to hw I don't know anything about ... check. | 00:53 |
| javispedro | yeah, let's do it :) | 00:53 |
| javispedro | aw no | 00:54 |
| javispedro | sadly, the system global orientation lock comes first :( | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah, seems a global issue - semi-fixed it for CSSU today, for me | 00:56 |
| javispedro | from what I'm looking, it might be quite easy actually, despite what I thought earlier | 00:57 |
| javispedro | but either way, this is for #harmattan. | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or #maemo-ssu ;-) | 00:57 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:58 |
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| javispedro | tbh it never really bothered in maemo, but on harmattan.... seriously, half of the RSS reader app is locked to portrait, the other half is not locked... a mess. | 00:59 |
| javispedro | s/in maemo/in Fremantle | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: seems there's a topic for next monday's MWKN :-D | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: /etc/X11/Xsession.post/21hildon-desktop:/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -f /usr/bin/hildon-desktop | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought we're fed up with bootloops for no good reason | 01:03 |
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| javispedro | what's wrong with that? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | with THIS one nuttin | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the one *you* got on your device is /usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t /usr/bin/hildon-desktop | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | hi MohammadAG | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG is back \o/ | 01:04 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: really appreciate your offer about a MTF radio app =) but still deciding on the app and so. I will probably ship a QtMobility plugin | 01:04 |
| javispedro | (also really appreciate Venemo's offer too) | 01:04 |
| javispedro | s/on the app/on the API | 01:05 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, just make a normal Qt lib :) | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | and hi :) | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, /me stabs freenode | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 01:06 |
| javispedro | hey, ipv6, don't complain | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are *very* busy upgrading ircd seven atm | 01:07 |
| javispedro | the day I get ipv6 is the day I start my own internet fork | 01:07 |
| javispedro | and/or my own ISP =) | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 16.7 updates fine :-) | 01:08 |
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| MohammadAG | yay | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what do you think, let's call it gold and fork to stable, on next monday? | 01:08 |
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| MohammadAG | We should fix camera-ui first, then add the cert manager | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, fair enough | 01:09 |
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| MohammadAG | damn you DigiNora! | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, how long do you think you need for that lib? :) | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know my notion regarding camera-ui. It'd be best we would find a way to kick it out of CSSU completely | 01:10 |
| javispedro | i would need an afternoon, but the problem is not me | 01:10 |
| javispedro | a Nokian has come and offered to do it the "proper way". Sadly, this means no time estimates. | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | any comments from this nokian on FMTX? | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | cause I kinda miss that :P | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it wasn't in mp-cssu then this bug was just another app going havoc on user data, so what? | 01:11 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I'm trying FMTX after I get the global orientation lock thingie done | 01:12 |
| javispedro | have some ideas and a bit of help :) | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | what's with fmtx? | 01:12 |
| javispedro | (but I wouldn't be optimistic..) | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | has cssu broken it? | 01:12 |
| javispedro | sorry, this should have been in #harmattan | 01:13 |
| * javispedro messes twice | 01:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | FU Nokia, for http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | re "Nokia offered to do it 'the right way' " | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | Android's security system, or lack thereof > aegis | 01:14 |
| Corsac | to do what? | 01:14 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the current aegis policy allows me to do the daemon idea without many problems | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: indeed, and problem with HARM-FMRX isn't the FM but the mere friggin PA config | 01:15 |
| javispedro | but, such daemon would mostly be a pulseaudio clone, a sound server. | 01:15 |
| javispedro | and I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Specially not a sound server. And more specially not if I it is hackish :) | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | see what PA gives us, I *adore* Lennart!!1!1!! >:-( | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | can you turn off aegis yet? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | given the fact each shit regarding audio is set up using gstreamer anyway, I completely miss the rationale why we (=maemo system / Nokia) MUST use this crap PA | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: we'll never be able to "turn off aegis" | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | :-( | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's designed to first and foremost forbid all turning-it-off | 01:20 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: this? again? really? I'm sure I explained to you already why Maemo uses it. ah well.... :P | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | so this means I can't read my email | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | on N9 :P | 01:20 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: we just added dynamic AC3 passthrough to pulse, its pretty cool, you can move your audio stream between the DSP, bluetooth headset or HDMI output dynamically | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: sorry, I guess I forgot | 01:21 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: so that reconfiguring outputs dynamically is a good example | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | but it can't move audio from fmrx to speakers/headphones? :) | 01:21 |
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| Robot101 | I'm sure it can be made to - but its probably aegis that stops you modifying the binary or configuration | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's probably also the only example we could possibly find. I admit PA might have a small edge there | 01:22 |
| Robot101 | am not really here though, I just wanted to correct DocScrutinizer in case anyone got the wrong idea :P | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: for "reconfiguring dynamically" see what aegis done to that on HARM ;-P | 01:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Well those "cool things" would be neat tricks, but first you'd want the ability to play back sound working properly first ;D | 01:23 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: I think we agree about aegis a lot more than pulse... :D | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | like, imagine installing Satnav on a Lada or something, there's no point becuase the car never goes far enough before breaking down that you couldn't walk back home without map/nav ;P | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: given the concept of radically restricting all user access to any system config, using PA on HARM - under aegis - is mere pointless | 01:26 |
| javispedro | Robot101: there's an actual limitation in pulse here though, the fact that you can only specify one rate for a card, requiring a daemon reboot to change | 01:27 |
| javispedro | well, not really requiring a reboot, but removing/reinserting the module, which is next to a reboot. | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | resampling is kinda expensive on low cpu | 01:27 |
| javispedro | however, that is a limitation shared by all sound servers I know. | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | the idea of a sound server bewilders me | 01:28 |
| * ShadowJK recalls 10-20% on his Pentium3 for the minimum acceptable that doesn't butcher the audio entirely | 01:28 | |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: I mean change the hw rate, precisely to avoid a resample operation | 01:28 |
| javispedro | (or, in the fmrx case, to allow capture in better rates than what are usually used with BT) | 01:28 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: no, really. pulseaudio does its job - and what it's permitted to do - on harmattan. | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, yeah I mean adjusting hwrate is something you'd want on cpu limited platform to avoid costly resampling | 01:29 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: the fact you're prohibited from reconfiguring it is a separate problem. it still implements the audio policy and calls pausing your music and beeps mixing with music and remembering volume, moving cellular audio from serial to the dsp, etc... | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: the only point is there's not much it's allowed to do | 01:29 |
| javispedro | aw, forget it. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that can't be done without PA as well | 01:29 |
| Robot101 | responding to headset insertion and moving streams to/from the audio and the bluetooth headset | 01:29 |
| javispedro | as said in the current firmware I can do pretty much whatever I want to it =) | 01:30 |
| javispedro | including replacing all audio output with rickrolling | 01:30 |
| javispedro | oh, this just gave me an idea for a $2 app in Ovi Store... | 01:30 |
| Robot101 | javispedro: so I think this dynamic reconfiguration stuff has been improved in upstream pulse now, as a result of our recent work | 01:31 |
| javispedro | ah, upstream is so far here.... | 01:32 |
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| javispedro | Robot101: wouldn't you know the story behind module-alsa-*-old btw? | 01:32 |
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| Robot101 | iirc for maemo 5 they did a lot of tweaks to the audio drivers (using unusual parts of the ALSA API) to support the latency requirements for gsm | 01:33 |
| Robot101 | and hacked the alsa drivers in pulse to use that work | 01:33 |
| Robot101 | an educated guess here would be, they kept all those hacks and the pulse work they had done, even though pulse's alsa stuff moved on a lot? | 01:33 |
| Robot101 | just a guess | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | pulse on desktop seems to misreport latency by 10-900 ms for me, depending on its mood :P | 01:34 |
| Robot101 | yeah - alsa drivers usually get this wrong I think | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | it's always spot-on when I use alsa direct | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, the story probably more like "PA got tweaks to support the more unusual alsa API parts that are needed only when you deal with realtime" | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | killing pulse first | 01:34 |
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| javispedro | IMHO, pulse tries to do too much, and as any good unix beard would say, "thus does not anything really well". | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | If it goes much over 1s wrong, I can expect an imminent pulseaudio crash/exit/whatever, which reliable seems to make all programs using pulse go into an infinite cpu loop :D | 01:36 |
| javispedro | were it to be separated into sound server, policy enforcement, and "the rest".... it would be at least easier to replace. | 01:36 |
| Robot101 | you guys must hate systemd, huh? :) | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, think we'll freeze on version 17 | 01:37 |
| javispedro | Robot101: you guess :D | 01:37 |
| Robot101 | turns out having fewer moving parts is actually a feature for an embedded device | 01:38 |
| Robot101 | do you guys lose sleep over busybox? | 01:38 |
| Robot101 | it does many things less well | 01:38 |
| Robot101 | entirely intentionally :D | 01:38 |
| javispedro | Robot101: ask DocScrutinizer, he calls it "messybox" | 01:38 |
| ShadowJK | and then i need to manually kill everything that uses pulse, restart pulseaudio, restart programs... it does this slightly less often than dmix doing weird crashes... But I hope someday someone will start over with a new system and Get It Right(TM) before adding fancy crap :) | 01:38 |
| Robot101 | hilarious | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 01:38 |
| Robot101 | my work here is done :P | 01:38 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: dmix doing weird crashes? recently? Not seen this since errr last century | 01:41 |
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| javispedro | alsa is horrible. | 01:42 |
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| ShadowJK | let's call it hangs | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically I tend to agree | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | but.. know what's even more horrible? PA on ALSA | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | DigiNotar issue fixed in version 16.8 | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | all apps are, when straced, stuck on a futex() syscall waiting for eachother or something, never progressing | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're an animal | 01:43 |
| javispedro | and due to weird architecture of alsa that's virtually impossible to debug | 01:43 |
| javispedro | note: alsa _userspace_ | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | alsa kernelspace is fine | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | as well as alsa sans plugins/etc | 01:44 |
| javispedro | (that was for DocScrutinizer, because PA on ALSA uses mostly ALSA kernelspace ;) ) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:44 |
| Atarii | so with all the battery patches and speed patches on the forums, are any of these "recommended" ? | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | NO | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely not, modulo swappolube | 01:45 |
| Atarii | that was easily answered :) | 01:45 |
| Atarii | modulo? | 01:45 |
| javispedro | Atarii: most of them contradict each other either way | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is a proper frontend to tweak some kernel parameters that can use tweaking | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | swappolube has a nice UI for changing settings, questionable/debatable defaults though | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:46 |
| javispedro | you can improve one usecase, and at the same time inadvertently "unimprove" the others | 01:46 |
| Atarii | hmm | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | one thing's for sure: battery patch is a nonsense in the mere wording already | 01:47 |
| Atarii | are there any good links to read up what these actually do? what kernel parameters etc | 01:47 |
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| javispedro | kernel source Documentation/ folder =) | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the swappolube theead had a few pages where not only nonsense been written | 01:49 |
| Atarii | ok thanks | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, usually if you're after battery and speed patches, your problem is caused by sth that should get tackled another way than with magic patches | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | frequently battery standby time get crushed by stupid aps that keep CPU busy, and speed sees massive impact mainly when too many apps eat way too much RAM so the system enters swap hell | 01:52 |
| Atarii | well I don't need to worry about that, I don't have any of those status applets etc | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | installing and using a fresh clean fremantle often helps to adjust your POV about those issues | 01:53 |
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| Atarii | I just want something to put my device into a "sleep" mode when not in use, using as little battery as possible. And a way to kill all cell phone related processes | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the culprit is not the missing speed / battery patch but rather the app that - when inmstalled - makes problems appear | 01:54 |
| Atarii | I think the bleeding-edge wifi drivers is the reason my battery gets eaten so fast | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill all cellphone related processes is easy: flight mode | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sleep mode is entered automatically as soon as no active processes hog the system | 01:55 |
| Atarii | doesn't flight mode kill wifi too? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | (wlan drivers) quite possible | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I get over 5 days in wifi active but idle mode | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a tablet-mode | 01:55 |
| Atarii | yes, I've been using tablet-mode, guess I'll stick to that | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And probabyl closer to 10, if everything is turned off, and it's idle in tablet mode | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:56 |
| Atarii | that's amazing SpeedEvil, I wish I was getting that | 01:56 |
| Atarii | do you use the bleeding edge wifi drivers, or just stock? | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | stock | 01:56 |
| Atarii | ah | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | wlan is known to eat batery like mad when it's constantly searching for APs | 01:56 |
| Atarii | yea I have that disabled too | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the driver might spoil this | 01:57 |
| Atarii | I guess it's the bleeding edge drivers, I'll have to reduce their usage | 01:57 |
| Sicelo | tablet-mode = disabling only cellmo? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc icd2 actually unloads the wkan driver to power down wifi | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: yes | 01:58 |
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| Sicelo | thanks. | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 01:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 01:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | afk | 01:59 |
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| javispedro | hmpf | 02:33 |
| javispedro | oops, forget, should talk in #harmattan | 02:33 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, figured out how to make QDebug work on Harmattan? | 03:04 |
| javispedro | you're asking me a Qt question? :) | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | yes :P | 03:04 |
| javispedro | I didn't even knew it was borked =) | 03:04 |
| javispedro | maybe redirected to syslog? | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't show any output :/ | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 03:05 |
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| angelox|laptop | Hi DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK | 03:06 |
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| angelox|laptop | ShadowJK: trying that stuff about battery -> http://enivax.net/jk/bq.tar not found | 03:09 |
| angelox|laptop | ok found a mirror | 03:10 |
| angelox|laptop | what informations would you like to know? | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hi angelox|laptop | 03:15 |
| angelox|laptop | good evening DocScrutinizer51 :) | 03:16 |
| angelox|laptop | Just *unfortunately* remembering my case: My n900 doesn't charge with any battery :( voltage *decreases* when charger is plugued,and battery's current doesn't change | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 03:17 |
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| angelox|laptop | another thing: | 03:17 |
| * angelox|laptop is going to cry if he don't fix that | 03:18 | |
| angelox|laptop | :) | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bq27k script should give you better info | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | run it with parameter 5 | 03:19 |
| angelox|laptop | bq27k-detail.sh ? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jep | 03:19 |
| angelox|laptop | ok,downloading | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | then plug in charger while noting that with a #charger comment in the terminal that shows the bq27k output | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then pastebin the whole thing | 03:23 |
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| angelox|laptop | hmm | 03:23 |
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| angelox|laptop | then i'm going to install openssh (recently flashed phone) | 03:24 |
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| angelox|laptop | i think someway there's no current going to the battery pins | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the script will tell | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you'll just need i2ctools as well | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | apt-get install i2ctools or sth will do I think | 03:28 |
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| angelox|laptop | ok | 03:29 |
| angelox|laptop | ./bq27k-detail.sh: set: line 10: illegal option -h | 03:31 |
| angelox|laptop | hmm need install bash i guess | 03:31 |
| angelox|laptop | yes,as i can see in your comments :) | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | where from is that? | 03:32 |
| angelox|laptop | h | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooops | 03:32 |
| angelox|laptop | i did download from: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/ | 03:32 |
| angelox|laptop | that's wrong place? | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's my ancient script for OM freerunner | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't work on N900 | 03:33 |
| angelox|laptop | sorry then | 03:33 |
| angelox|laptop | where should i download? | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jkSomething | 03:33 |
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| * angelox|laptop searches | 03:34 | |
| angelox|laptop | then it isn't bq27200 | 03:35 |
| * SpeedEvil realises you can swap batteries in ~.3s | 03:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | enivax | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think I got a copy on wiki.maemo.org/user:joerg_rw | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Raise up the far edge of the battery, and slide another battery underneath. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's the way | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | angelox|laptop: bq27200.sh sounds right | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I suggest bq.tar | 03:41 |
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| angelox|laptop | yes | 03:43 |
| angelox|laptop | i did use that | 03:43 |
| angelox|laptop | but i forgot 5 parameter :) | 03:43 |
| angelox|laptop | one minute please | 03:43 |
| angelox|laptop | bbl | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry connectivity dropouts here | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | angelox|laptop: did I miss sth since bbl? | 03:59 |
| angelox|laptop | what you would like to know about Nokia-N900:~# ./bq27220.sh 5 ? | 03:59 |
| angelox|laptop | no | 03:59 |
| angelox|laptop | i did it and plugged the charger | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just pastebin a session of 4 lines aka 20s before. and then some more after plugin of charger | 04:00 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then paste the pastebin URL here | 04:01 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 04:01 |
| angelox|laptop | one second please | 04:01 |
| angelox|laptop | secound* | 04:01 |
| angelox|laptop | http://pastebin.com/f6jP2ZEn | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | this proves there's no charging at all going on | 04:07 |
| angelox|laptop | that's bad | 04:08 |
| angelox|laptop | also after unplugging the charger,the phone remains in 'charging' state for some 3~ secounds | 04:08 |
| angelox|laptop | what can i do? | 04:09 |
| angelox|laptop | i mean,i know i can charge only the battery,but i'd like to use the phone to charge it | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get charge.sh.txt, rename it maybe to charge.sh, and run it | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell what it displays | 04:13 |
| angelox|laptop | i need go now | 04:13 |
| angelox|laptop | can i do that tomorrow? | 04:13 |
| angelox|laptop | sorry | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 04:13 |
| angelox|laptop | so good night | 04:14 |
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| angelox|laptop | and thanks by all | 04:14 |
| angelox|laptop | :) | 04:14 |
| angelox|laptop | cya | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I guess your battery won't sustain until tomorrow, on 3783 mV | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 04:14 |
| angelox|zzZZz | I did put it to charge | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's rather strange what happens at your device | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme seems to signal it's charging otherwise I don't see how the phone's GUI can tell it's charging | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | but looking at the hard facts there is not even an attempt to charge | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and bq27200 chip thinks battery is at 0% capacity | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | which also is a bad thing, but probably caused (and normal then) by externally charging the battery | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Bad battery contacts? | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | bad BSI contact | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: thought same some minutes ago | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and no chocolate around :-/ | 04:20 |
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| archl | thanks | 05:53 |
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| crashanddie | 'sup maemo | 11:36 |
| merlin1991 | crashanddie: git black magic | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | hmm? | 11:37 |
| merlin1991 | That's up ;) | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | there's no black magic in git, just order and reason. | 11:37 |
| merlin1991 | Black magic is the art of doing something nobody else understands | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | I don't see what git has to do with that ;) | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | I've got a couple dozen people using my gitorious install every day, working very smoothly | 11:38 |
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| ErwinJunge | Hi guys. Reflash day :) The Nokia-provided backup tool also backs up contacts I hope? Since that's essentially the only I really need it to backup, I want to start with a clean slate. Going to rsync the whole thing now anyways, so can't really miss anything, but would like to be VERY sure. | 13:13 |
| NIN101 | /home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts | 13:14 |
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| MohammadAG | flashing only rootfs won't remove contacts anyways :) | 13:15 |
| ErwinJunge_ | I want to enlarge /home as well, so eMMC is also going :) | 13:17 |
| ErwinJunge_ | My crappy internet dropped btw, did I miss a reply before yours MohammadAG? | 13:17 |
| NIN101 | <NIN101> /home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts | 13:18 |
| ErwinJunge_ | Thanks :) | 13:18 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | ~reflash | 13:35 |
| infobot | i guess reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) | 13:35 |
| ErwinJunge__ | Hm.. not the info I was looking for :) | 13:35 |
| ErwinJunge__ | I have no idea how to tell infobot this, but shouldn't ~reflash mention http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? | 13:36 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | Btw, why is the rootfs image also called FIASCO? I find it funny to think it's because of the events leading up to a reflash, but that's probably not it ;) | 13:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | I wouldn't know why its called fiasco nor would I know the full name if its an abbreviated term. afaik it doesn't just contain rootfs images, it also contains images for the bootloader (NOLO) amongst a few other things | 13:44 |
| lbt | infobot: what on earth are you talking about collie for? | 13:45 |
| infobot | lbt: what are you talking about? | 13:45 |
| lbt | infobot: collie, you muppet | 13:45 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | On a related note: That page keeps going on about "this doesn't reset your lock code". I don't use a lock code, but a question does come to mind: What if you forgot your lock code? Is there a way to reset it? | 13:51 |
| psycho_oreos | if your device wasn't initially powered on, no, if your device is still powered on and has not shown the lock code yet then yes | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | though there is a workaround by using older firmware.. I don't know if it works (I think the last time I tried it but it didn't work) | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | in either case the lock code is encrypted and can be easily decrypted with a normal computer | 13:53 |
| ErwinJunge__ | Ok, so in the remote case that you turn off your phone and forget your lock code before turning it on again (talk about short-term memory) you can still get at it. What encryption does it use that's so easily crackable? | 13:54 |
| NIN101 | IIRC DES | 13:54 |
| psycho_oreos | it is DES | 13:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | its a lot better than its predecessors (i.e. N8x0 and possibly even 770) which had lock codes in plaintext | 13:56 |
| psycho_oreos | If you turned off your device and forgot it has a lock code, you'll have to use the workaround which requires flashing at least 3 times altogether | 13:57 |
| NIN101 | you can boot another OS and read it from mtd, and crack it on your computer | 13:57 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | Funny. I never got the point of these things anyways, since by the time someone has physical access to the device all security is broken anyways. | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | booting from another OS requires the other OS to be installed in the first place :) | 13:59 |
| NIN101 | yes, therefore I don't see the point in encrypting it. It's just some stupid after all and does not protect your files. | 13:59 |
| NIN101 | psycho_oreos: no | 13:59 |
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| NIN101 | It's possible to load it with the flasher for example. | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | NIN101, yes it is possible but if one is knowledgeable in doing so why go to that extent when a simple reflash would do? plus not all flash methods are 100% safe either | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | ErwinJunge__, not all the time will the thief be that knowledgeable :) | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | in fact in a much simpler scenario that the thief was dumb enough to turn off the stolen device with lock code enabled would probably chuck the device away upon seeing the lock code when the device is turned on.. unless of course the thief is knowledgeable in flashing devices.. again it all depends | 14:02 |
| NIN101 | well, for a correct security concept you have to assume that :-). | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | then again if one was that paranoid about it, they can either simply not take their device around and to keep it in a safe when not in use.. or otherwise employ something like truecrypt | 14:04 |
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| NIN101 | the latter is what I'm doing, and something more. And the lock code is still activated, if someone steals my phone while it is turned on it's he/she would still have access to the files obviously. | 14:06 |
| psycho_oreos | not if you set autolock to a much shorter interval :) | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | does lock make mass storage not work? | 14:08 |
| NIN101 | yeah, it's on 5 minutes. | 14:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, lock code/autolock? no I doubt it | 14:08 |
| NIN101 | but how can you click on "mass-storage mode" when the device is locked... | 14:09 |
| NIN101 | *touch | 14:09 |
| psycho_oreos | in fact you can't even get out of the lock screen :) | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Never used lock | 14:10 |
| psycho_oreos | not afraid of someone else fiddling your device when you're not physically there? ;) | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | No. :( | 14:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh that's a bad practise.. I have a habit of autolocking my device | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends how often it's out of your posession | 14:12 |
| psycho_oreos | there's never a depending factor :) once its lost it'll be a lesson learnt or you'll never learn :) | 14:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | i.e. its better to be safe than sorry regardless of the outcome | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | But if you're out with the phone 16h/day, vs 16h/year, forex | 14:14 |
| psycho_oreos | actually thinking about it, you don't really need to even boot with another OS, flash with older PR, etc.. if the thief that has possession of your device, he could get away with using flash box.. there's no need to mess around too much | 14:15 |
| psycho_oreos | it doesn't mean that 16h/year meant that your device is guaranteed to not get stolen within that time frame :) | 14:15 |
| robbiethe1st | You know... what we really need is a lock screen that, when a wrong password is entered, loads a "blank" home-screen and virtual disk images. And activates Prey. | 14:16 |
| psycho_oreos | you could be walking home late one time from a pub and you happen to be mugged.. the thieves stole all your important possessions | 14:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Therefor, someone can hit a key, get in(so they won't wipe it) but won't have access to your stuff | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Multiple user accounts would be nice | 14:17 |
| psycho_oreos | I really don't think the thieves would be interested in what you stash on your device.. even if its some rare porn you happen to just have. All they care about is reselling and reaping the profits | 14:18 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, have a "guest" account for error on login... | 14:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | in other words.. if they can freely access your stuff, its a bonus.. otherwise they're in for profit making | 14:20 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | For safety reasons I use full system encryption with Fedora on my laptop, but that has the potential danger of "lose your pass, lose everything" since it's completely unrecoverable. | 14:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Backup | 14:23 |
| psycho_oreos | idont, just out of curiosity, are you the creator behind that N900's promotional video with the intro that goes off about N900 versus iPhone? | 14:24 |
| NIN101 | bbl | 14:24 |
| idont | psycho_oreos, nope, haven't made any videos | 14:25 |
| psycho_oreos | idont, fair enough, just funny to keep seeing your handle and being reminded of that video | 14:25 |
| idont | psycho_oreos, I see ;) | 14:26 |
| psycho_oreos | idont, you do know which video I'm referring to right? :D | 14:26 |
| idont | psycho_oreos, tbh not, but I do have an idea about the content of that video | 14:26 |
| ysss | *nods to oreos* | 14:27 |
| psycho_oreos | idont, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6F2V144Hc | 14:27 |
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| ysss | I had a device stolen few weeks ago, all the thief did was to just immediately shut off the wireless connections and reflash it… otherwise I would've been able to track him down | 14:28 |
| idont | psycho_oreos, haha, I've never seen that video before. I see your point now :-p | 14:29 |
| idont | it even has the capital D in it ( like my TMO account) | 14:29 |
| psycho_oreos | ysss, I guess you're unlucky to have the thief knowing how to flash the device.. there was a tmo thread of a lucky person who happen to track his stolen device down when the thief simply restored factory settings | 14:30 |
| psycho_oreos | idont, heh ironic no? :D | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I've protected my device against flashing. | 14:30 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, wtf how? | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Take the device, put the wall-charger in, and then drop it right on the plug. | 14:31 |
| psycho_oreos | lol and a broken microUSB port : | 14:31 |
| psycho_oreos | :p | 14:31 |
| idont | psycho_oreos, well, it's not like I chose my name because I'm that much into Apple hw ;-) | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | the thief sure will have good time reselling that broken N900 ;) | 14:32 |
| ysss | psycho_oreos: yeah, I read that… and some other blog articles of people stalkingg their thieves as well. I was hoping that my thief would do something 'silly' as that, alas it didn't turn out that way. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Fortunately, the pads at the back look clear - I just need to get up the energy to solder it on | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | idont, nah it was coincidental that your handle was the same as that N900 video which gone viral back in the days | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | ysss, yeah that sucks :/ sorry to hear that | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Currently swapping battery daily | 14:33 |
| idont | psycho_oreos, I see | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | idont, and a nice music theme to boot :D | 14:33 |
| ysss | yep | 14:33 |
| idont | :-D | 14:33 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | Any experiences with swappolube? The wiki page explains the different options, but doesn't have any actual measurements of effects. Did anyone do some sort of benchmark test? | 14:49 |
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| Psi | is there a reason for all these CSSU updates? | 15:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | hd portrait + whitelist + others fix, typo fixed, security fix | 15:16 |
| psycho_oreos | it doesn't hurt to follow that tmo thread :P | 15:17 |
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| mece | anyone having gps issues with latest cssu? | 15:31 |
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| * angelox|laptop is waked up | 15:33 | |
| angelox|laptop | Hi DocScrutinizer51 | 15:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | Is there a public key available for https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/? | 15:34 |
| psycho_oreos | yes | 15:35 |
| jeremiah_ | When I use gpg --recv-key ADB4438160A655EF | 15:35 |
| jeremiah_ | I'm unable to pull it in | 15:35 |
| jeremiah_ | It should likely get published | 15:35 |
| jeremiah_ | So that people who are getting warnings can verify the authenticity of the repo | 15:35 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm sure a copy of the key might be on the device itself.. i.e. N900 | 15:35 |
| jeremiah_ | I'm suspicious that it is not: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76410 | 15:37 |
| trumee | anybody using openvpn on N900? | 15:37 |
| jeremiah_ | That thread points to people having problems with that key. | 15:38 |
| trumee | i seem to get "TLS: tls_process: killed expiring key" in openvpn sessions. | 15:38 |
| jeremiah_ | trumee: Looks like your key is expired? | 15:38 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: i havent set any key. | 15:39 |
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| bindi | jeremiah_: I have the same problem | 15:39 |
| bindi | just did apt-get update | 15:39 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2007-07/msg00104.html | 15:39 |
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| bindi | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF | 15:39 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: seems like there is some permissions issue | 15:40 |
| jeremiah_ | trumee: Yeah, I think you're right | 15:40 |
| jeremiah_ | What is the name of your Openvpn conf file? | 15:41 |
| jeremiah_ | I call mine the default name "tun0.conf" | 15:41 |
| jeremiah_ | And on my debian box it lives in /etc/openvpn/ | 15:41 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: funny thing is that opevpn process is run as root so it should have all the permissions | 15:41 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: shouldnt matter what the conf files are called i guess | 15:41 |
| jeremiah_ | trumee: Yeah. I think it has to run as root since it is giving you a new IP address, but I think permissions will still matter. | 15:42 |
| jeremiah_ | trumee: No, you're likely right, shouldn't matter what they are called, but we can at least look at the perms of the conf file | 15:42 |
| jeremiah_ | See if we see anything obvious. | 15:42 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: going by the link above, it is probably the cert/key file permissions which matter | 15:43 |
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| trumee | jeremiah_: btw, you dont get that error? | 15:43 |
| jeremiah_ | Which error? | 15:44 |
| jeremiah_ | The openvpn error or the missing key error? | 15:44 |
| jeremiah_ | When I run openvpn here, I don't get any errors. | 15:45 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: expired key error on N900? | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | trumee: No, but I haven't tried to access that Nokia URL either. :/ | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | This happens from time to time though if I remember correctly. | 15:45 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: the error triggers after exactly one hour of running openvpn | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | Ah, that. Hmm. Weird. | 15:46 |
| jeremiah_ | I wonder if there is a setting you can tweak? | 15:46 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: "reneg-sec 3600" | 15:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Have you tweaked that? :) | 15:47 |
| trumee | jeremiah_: not yet but i would rather have the permissions issue solved rather than tweaking the behaviour | 15:48 |
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| jeremiah_ | heh, probably the smarter way to go. :) | 15:50 |
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| jeremiah_ | trumee: This is what I have on my conf file: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3457 Aug 26 23:19 /etc/openvpn/tun0.conf | 15:51 |
| psycho_oreos | jeremiah_, have you checked the gpg keys inside /etc/apt on your N900? those trustdb.gpg, trusted.gpg, trusted.gpg~ contains keys for the repositories | 15:52 |
| trumee | how about the permissions of key file? | 15:52 |
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| trumee | jeremiah_: the permissions of my key file is -rw------- | 15:53 |
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| trumee | jeremiah_: and crt file is -rw-r--r-- | 15:53 |
| jeremiah_ | Key file has the same perms as yours | 15:59 |
| jeremiah_ | But not root | 15:59 |
| jeremiah_ | That one is owned by me | 15:59 |
| jeremiah_ | psycho_oreos: Are you sure those are up to date? And that they cover the download repo? | 16:00 |
| psycho_oreos | jeremiah_, http://pastebin.com/Hynbc64Y | 16:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders about running apt under user account might do some weird things | 16:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | It just says 'go away' | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | must be root | 16:42 |
| kerio | why isn't the user always root anyway | 16:42 |
| kerio | it's a very, *very* single-user system | 16:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some seperation is a good idea IMO | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If only from the fact that userspace can't easily kill non-user processes | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: running all processes as root is a very poor idea, no matter how single-user the system seems to be | 16:44 |
| ErwinJunge__ | kerio: because of the danger of fuckups | 16:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: sudo gainroot | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: what? | 16:44 |
| kerio | or HAM | 16:44 |
| kerio | if you're not going to ask for a password you might as well just leave everything open | 16:45 |
| ErwinJunge__ | kerio: That is actually a good point, passwordless root is a serious problem. A user that types "sudo gainroot" *should* go into "careful now, this could be dangerous" mode | 16:46 |
| kerio | no, gainroot should be removed | 16:46 |
| kerio | add user to /etc/sudoers, asking for a password | 16:46 |
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| kerio | and set a password | 16:47 |
| ErwinJunge__ | That's definetely better, agreed. Same goes for ssh btw. Why do I have to ssh in as root always? | 16:47 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | I'm not bothered enough to fix it myself though. Are you? | 16:48 |
| Sicelo | u can set sudo gainroot to require password | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: BS | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | gainroot can't be remved | 16:48 |
| ErwinJunge__ | Is the ssh as root thing even fixable? | 16:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: why not | 16:49 |
| Sicelo | ErwinJunge__: yes, i disabled it on mine | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot" | 16:50 |
| ErwinJunge__ | Sicelo: Could you provide some instructions? I guess it involves somehow setting a pass for user? | 16:50 |
| Sicelo | pity i messed something up somehow, now can't demand password for sudo gainroot :( | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: (why not) there's no other way on a busybox system to become root | 16:51 |
| Sicelo | yes ErwinJunge__, then you edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... there's a part that says 'PermitRootLogin' | 16:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: /sbin/sudo? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: as su doesn't work, due to lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-06-23 06:13 /bin/su -> busybox | 16:52 |
| kerio | sudo -i | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | less `which gainroot` | 16:54 |
| kerio | heh, Scumbag N900 - Marketed to linux nerds / Uses busybox | 16:54 |
| ErwinJunge__ | Sicelo: Wouldn't setting a pass for user somehow screw up stuff? It seems to me that if this was a good idea it would be the default? | 16:54 |
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| Sicelo | nope. doesn't screw anything :) | 16:55 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | Considering that I'm about to reflash anyway, I might as well test it after the rsync is done. rsyncing over usb network takes ages btw. | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | so presently u ssh as root and do everything as root too? | 16:56 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | Yup | 16:57 |
| ErwinJunge__ | I don't like it though, but that's what the default does... | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | su - user | 16:58 |
| ErwinJunge__ | I prefer the sudo "root for the duration of one command" style | 16:58 |
| ErwinJunge__ | DocScrutinizer: just doing ssh user@n900 seems the "right" way to do things | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just didn't bother | 16:59 |
| Sicelo | didn't bother with what DocScrutinizer? | 16:59 |
| ErwinJunge__ | Neither did I. It bothers me a bit that I'm always sshing as root, but not enough to fix it yet. | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | with being / not being root when ssh'ing to N900 | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I can ssh in via root and user account same way | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I've set up authorized_keys for user account as well | 17:02 |
| Sicelo | if only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | on sudo gainroot? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot" | 17:03 |
| ErwinJunge__ | DocScrutinizer: I get permission denied, since the pass isn't correct (it can't be, since I never set it in the first place) | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge__: on which action? | 17:03 |
| ErwinJunge__ | ssh user@n900 | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the point is you can't ssh to an account that has no password set | 17:04 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | That's what I just said :) | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>...since I never set it in the first place<< | 17:05 |
| ErwinJunge__ | That I can't ssh in as user since I never set the pass for user | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so where's the problem? | 17:05 |
| Sicelo | your tools page helped .... but something must have happened thereafter, as no password is required for sudo gainroot, even though all the relevant files are as in your method | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you've run update-sudoers? | 17:06 |
| ErwinJunge__ | The problem is that I didn't set a pass :) The reason however is that I always thought it might screw up the boot process somehow. | 17:06 |
| Sicelo | yes, update-sudoers runs fine | 17:06 |
| ErwinJunge__ | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/95457-how-to-surf-t-mobile-without-a-data-plan --> This is amazing :) | 17:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm... | 17:07 |
| Sicelo | my /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo file has the Defaults targetpw and USER ALL = PASSWD : /usr/sbin/gainroot | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ sudo -l |grep gainroot | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | (root) /usr/sbin/gainroot | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: also a sudo -k might help ;-) | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: you're aware that sudo usually remembers password for a user, for some 5 min | 17:12 |
| Sicelo | i wasn't aware, but this is the same even after a reboot | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, strange then | 17:14 |
| Sicelo | indeed, as for the bove commands, i get the same output u have just posted | 17:15 |
| Sicelo | s/bov/abov/ | 17:15 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: indeed, as for the above commands, i get the same output u have just posted | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | grep gainroot /etc/sudoers | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | must be in that file only once, like >> user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot << | 17:17 |
| Sicelo | user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot | 17:18 |
| Sicelo | same | 17:18 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | ~bm | 17:18 |
| infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: so only thing I could imagine is you've set an empty root password | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: also please try sudo -k | 17:20 |
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| Sicelo | let me confirm root password. i positive i set it, but let me see :) | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | setting root password again is never a bad idea ;-) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course a grep "^root" /etc/passwd also helps | 17:24 |
| Sicelo | it's set. | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | then do an "id" please | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (as obviously root doesn't need to enter password for "sudo gainroot") | 17:27 |
| Sicelo | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 17:27 |
| Sicelo | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | su - user | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot | 17:27 |
| Sicelo | sorry, the above is if i'm root | 17:28 |
| Sicelo | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) if i'm user | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's obvious | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sudo -k; if [ x$(whoami) == xroot ]; then echo "you're not supposed to run sudo gainroot as root, please use sudo - user!"; fi; root | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | though: | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# sudo gainroot | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: anyway see http://paste.debian.net/129209/ esp line 16 | 17:38 |
| Sicelo | guess it will be fixed on a next flash :( | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I honestly fail to see where's the problem, except you not being aware of sudo -k | 17:39 |
| Sicelo | i run sudo -k, and get back to the prompt | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's ok, sudo -k just expires the password memory | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | see http://paste.debian.net/129209/ | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | first time the root cmd didn't ask for password as it had been in sudo's 5min memory | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after sudo -k it asks for password | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | (line 16) | 17:42 |
| Sicelo | for me it's still the same. strange, because this worked before. guess i installed something which messed it | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I can'T see what could mess it up, if there's only one line for gainroot in etc/sudoers | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | only a rooted /usr/sbin/sudo could cause this | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l `which sudo` | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 2009-04-17 10:50 /usr/bin/sudo | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if this binary is correct, and /etc/sudoers file is correct, then how could it fail? | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | grep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers | 17:47 |
| Sicelo | and i have same output too, except mine is 90040 bytes :/ | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | your device got rooted ;-P | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# grep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | there must not be more than one line containing gainroot in etc/sudoers! | 17:49 |
| Sicelo | i have only one | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | if there isn't, and the one line in yours looks like that one above, then the sudo binary is the culprit | 17:50 |
| * Sicelo suspects package sudser | 17:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeew | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm http://maemo.org/packages/view/sudser/ | 17:52 |
| bindi | uh | 17:53 |
| bindi | is there any weather widget that can connect to 3G hourly and disconnect after it has fetched the new data | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | no widget does disconnect from 3G | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: seems sudser is "clean" | 17:55 |
| Sicelo | i think i'll try reinstall rootsh and see | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | bindi: basically icd2 does "disconnect" though actually you never disconnect from 3G APN login usually - there are some apps that claim to do that, for errr unclear reasons, as mere being "online" not in itself eats any power or data volume | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: I'd like to understand why your sudo binary has different size than mine | 17:57 |
| kevin_b | hey guys | 17:58 |
| kevin_b | does some of u develop on device? | 17:58 |
| kevin_b | I would just like to know where is the 4.74 qt-x11-maemo | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: http://paste.debian.net/129211/ | 17:59 |
| kevin_b | also is there a arm qt4-dev package for this version? | 17:59 |
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| Sicelo | here's mine, looks similar .. http://pastebin.com/5dH1QcDR | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah. so WTF it has different size? | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I start to think about s/;-P/:-S/ in [2011-09-10 16:48:14] <DocScrutinizer> your device got rooted ;-P | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | please paste full output of ls -l `which sudo` | 18:05 |
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| Sicelo | http://pastebin.com/MmrPA595 | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sigh, this one line could've been the output ;-P | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver ? | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | please don't pastebin | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D it's also one line | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 here | 18:10 |
| Sicelo | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | some fsckng rogue package installed a fake /usr/bin/sudo on your system | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or on mine ;-P | 18:12 |
| bindi | DocScrutinizer: so you're saying being connected to the internet using 3G and doing nothing doesnt drain battery more? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you are getting pings from the internet | 18:13 |
| idont | DocScrutinizer: busybox-power (extras-devel version) fixes su: /bin/su -> /bin/busybox_root | 18:13 |
| idont | which has: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 80768 Sep 10 14:50 /bin/busybox_root | 18:13 |
| Sicelo | lol, i think it's my side, and i'm really suspecting sudser. i think the behavior started around time i anstalled it | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | for that there's actually only the teardown of GPRS connection | 18:13 |
| idont | though I know you dislike 'messybox' ;-). Just sayin' | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: I cheked the sudser source in that .tgz, it looks "clean" | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | idont: thanks for informing me | 18:15 |
| idont | DocScrutinizer: yw | 18:15 |
| idont | btw, don't mind the date of the /bin/busybox_root binary, I'm currently testing BusyBox 1.19.2, which has been released a few days ago, on my device. | 18:16 |
| * Sicelo wonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/ | 18:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | idont: I'd not like to swap fremantle busybox for any augmented stuff, too much risk to break system init. I'd rather go for a parallel decent shell plus unix tools every day | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: http://paste.debian.net/129216/ | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: go for it | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget to copy the "rogue" sudo binary to a safe place prior to doing apt-get install | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | for later forensic purposes | 18:20 |
| idont | DocScrutinizer: yep, I've noticed your opinion in the chan log before, and I see your point. I, for one, like to have most of the common *NIX utilities on my device by default without taking up too much space. When I do need full GNU versions, I'll only install those. | 18:21 |
| idont | But of course, bash > ash :-) | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough, I just am concerned about the risk to swap out stock busybox | 18:21 |
| idont | if I may believe http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?unixname=busybox-power&os=Maemo5, then it should be risk free as I haven't had a single report of a failing device | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yuck, my grammar gets worse every day... *I'm just concerned* | 18:22 |
| idont | *relatively risk free, you can never be sure of course | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway fellas, RL is fading away around me, since hours actually. IOW I need a break | 18:24 |
| Sicelo | thanks :) | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: what's your policy for sudo? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | atp-cache policy sudo | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt even | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | same as here? | 18:26 |
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| Sicelo | yes, same | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so go and reinstall from nokia repo via apt-get | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | check if size changed after that | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | prior to that do a cp `which sudo` /home/user/MySpace | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and MAKE A BACKUP!! preferrably via BM | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bm | 18:31 |
| infobot | hmm... backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | as breaking sudo or the sudoers config will definitely kill your system and require a reflash usually | 18:31 |
| bindi | hmm | 18:31 |
| bindi | how can I get adblock for opera on the n900? | 18:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer is Over&Out | 18:32 | |
| bindi | ah | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | DUH | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: you got R&D mode enabled? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not that this would explain the different size of binary, but it would explain the behaviour at least) | 18:36 |
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| Sicelo | no. i have never used R&D | 18:41 |
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| trumee | For some of my sites microb always asks for a password even though i have saved them before. weird. | 19:01 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | Sicelo, DocScrutinizer: -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 90040 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo --> Mine is same size as Sicelo's | 19:06 |
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| ErwinJunge__ | Quick reboot | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weird stuff, on my both devices it's 91584 | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if any of the *-gnu packages I installed might have replaced it | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | if any apt/dpkg guru would tell me how to find *all* the packages on a deb system that provide a certain file... | 19:17 |
| javispedro | it requires special information on the repo I do not think maemo.org provides | 19:18 |
| javispedro | it's called apt-file | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 19:18 |
| javispedro | unless you mean "all installed packages"? | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks javispedro | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 19:18 |
| javispedro | ah | 19:18 |
| javispedro | then it's easy | 19:18 |
| javispedro | dpkg -S /file | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course all installed pkgs | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# dpkg -S `which sudo` | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo: /usr/bin/sudo | 19:19 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Can't test for you right now, in reflashing | 19:21 |
| ErwinJunge | s/in// | 19:21 |
| infobot | ErwinJunge meant: DocScrutizer: Can't test for you right now, in reflashing | 19:21 |
| ErwinJunge | Ah, you got what I meant :) | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache policy $(dpkg -S $(which sudo)|cut -d: -f1) | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gives a proper Installed: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks :-) | 19:29 |
| javispedro | np | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what's your size in ls -l `which sudo` ? | 19:30 |
| javispedro | 90040 | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 19:31 |
| javispedro | fremantle pr1.3, mdate Apr 17 2009 | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah, that's same on all systems it seems | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# busybox ls -l `which sudo` | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo | 19:33 |
| ErwinJunge | phew, phone still lives. Flashing anything (phone, bios, anything) always leads to a high-stress situation for me. I'm just very scared to brick stuff. | 19:35 |
| ErwinJunge | After it finally finishes booting for the first time, I'll tell you what sudo looks like on a fresh pr1.3 system | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D \o/ | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 19:38 |
| ErwinJunge | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 90040 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo | 19:38 |
| bindi | uh huh, can you change the user agent of the opera browser? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | meawhile: http://paste.debian.net/129227/ | 19:39 |
| ErwinJunge | I.e. your sudo is the one that's different | 19:39 |
| bindi | mobile youtube not giving me all videos.. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 19:39 |
| ErwinJunge | Hm... wtf. It says it can't find my sim card... | 19:40 |
| Sicelo | could these differences be firmware related? | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: would you mind following the steps as of http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot | 19:41 |
| Sicelo | what's way to force re-install of sudo? i have backed everything up now | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and see if it asks for a root password for you, on sudo gainroot | 19:41 |
| ErwinJunge | Sicelo: There's nothing wrong with your sudo. It's exactly the same size and date as the freshly flashed edition. | 19:41 |
| bindi | how do I get flash for the opera mini D: | 19:42 |
| ErwinJunge | I'm starting to think I might have damaged something a while ago when I accidentaly dropped the phone... Could that cause the missing sim? | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, indeed | 19:42 |
| ErwinJunge | Crap | 19:43 |
| ErwinJunge | Fixable? | 19:44 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends, usually not. Though there's a lot of reasons why it can tell "SIM not found" | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: when did you download your firmware image? | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could it be Nokia sneaking in with a modified version of sudo binary some point in time in the past? | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously it's not the first time they silently change the firmware image | 19:46 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Mine is dated 2010-11-04 | 19:46 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i like the rsync script on your webpage. You sync your fs with computer everyday? | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:47 |
| * Sicelo wonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/[A[A[A[Aman-db-pages: /opt/man/man8/sudoedit.8.gz | 19:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope it does ;-) | 19:47 |
| ErwinJunge | I didn't redownload today since the version number didn't change (I checked the nokia website) | 19:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: backup if the device is stolen? | 19:48 |
| Sicelo | downloaded July 4, same day i bought my n900 :P | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: more like if it breaks | 19:48 |
| Sicelo | sorry for the spam just now :-s | 19:48 |
| javispedro | heh | 19:49 |
| javispedro | TI MetaWatch might be shipping already | 19:49 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: I was assuming the missing sim had been a software issue. It's one of the reasons I decided to reflash. | 19:49 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: cool. Did you ever try opensync with contacts? | 19:50 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: with Kontact/kaddressbook. | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm lost - we see two filesizes for Sudo version 1.6.8p12, and we see two different behaviours regarding asking for password, and both are not related | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: I gave up on that :-/ | 19:51 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: well, the answer here is "reflash the nonworking one" | 19:51 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: ah, good to know you did try. Opensync refused to talk to N900? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is what ErwinJunge just did, and seems the filesize didn't change and still is not the filesize of my sudo which still works as supposed | 19:52 |
| javispedro | what's the failure? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: it was such a mess I have even forgotton about details | 19:52 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: my bug report was set as invalid :(, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 | 19:53 |
| povbot | Bug 10023: OpenSync/Syncml fails on N900 | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: [2011-09-10 16:02:28] <Sicelo> if only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again | 19:54 |
| trumee | Opensync guys have been stuck with code for a very long time | 19:54 |
| javispedro | I wouldn't play much with sudo config either way | 19:55 |
| javispedro | chances for a reboot loop are giant | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: we checked Sicelo's setup is identical to mine, as of http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-09-10 18:44:24] <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | only thing that seems to differ is filesize of sudo binary | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: this should tickle your spider senses and signal there's sth completely fishy, no? | 19:57 |
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| Sicelo | just been checking irc logs... http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-19.log.html#t2011-07-19T01:38:20 | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | at that point in time, it worked as expected | 19:59 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: You can update your page btw, 8192 confirmed to work as size for /home | 20:00 |
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| xmltv | are there any EPG / TV guides available for N900? | 20:00 |
| ErwinJunge | Related to that, you still need to remove the possibly faulty 28G claim | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: done. thanks | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* - could somebody else than Sicelo check if http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tool §# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot will work for them, please? And then report here, together with a copy of ls -l `which sudo` output | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're reluctant than even a report of >> ls -l `which sudo` << showing a different filesize than 90040 would be fine | 20:33 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Sorry still working on it. Wanted to clean up my phone first. | 20:33 |
| ErwinJunge | Got openssh installed now, so will go and try it | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: thanks, mate :-) | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless some more contributions highly appreciated, so we could finnaly see a pattern | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file | 20:36 |
| xmltv | anyone have Interest in say, port of ontv or like? :) | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh he's back | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 20:37 |
| ErwinJunge | xmltv: What? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-09-10 19:00:55] <xmltv> are there any EPG / TV guides available for N900? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file | 20:38 |
| javispedro | that's why I suggested flashing =) | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | to break my working sudo? ;-P | 20:39 |
| javispedro | or fs is broken, or .. | 20:39 |
| javispedro | I'm still not sure what's broken or working | 20:39 |
| ErwinJunge | password was asked for | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | my sudo works as expected, asks for password on "root" and "sudo gainroot" | 20:40 |
| ErwinJunge | And root given after correct pass | 20:40 |
| xmltv | im just thinking, each time my pc aint alive, i miss having my notifications for series coming up | 20:40 |
| xmltv | nobody have a magazine with tv airing-listings lying by the remote no more hehe | 20:40 |
| javispedro | and you want to remove asking for the password, or you want to make it ask for a password? | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course we want to make it ask for password XD | 20:41 |
| xmltv | honestly, on the phone? | 20:41 |
| xmltv | shouldnt have a sudoers environment.. | 20:41 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: In summary, it works on reflash. Filesize still 90040 | 20:41 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not that obvious, imho it's stupid thing to do | 20:41 |
| javispedro | either way check for NOPASSWD in sudoers as that's the default | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: works for you, filesize 90040 ?? | 20:41 |
| RST38h | xmltv: Furthermore, few people watch TV any more | 20:42 |
| xmltv | rst38h hehe | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Which reminds me... | 20:42 |
| ErwinJunge | xmltv: not interest here, I d/l everything | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | it worked for me with that filesize too. i just don't understand what could have changed it | 20:42 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Yup. It asks for pass, filesize 90040 | 20:42 |
| xmltv | well, xmltv usage is also meant for say, digital channels | 20:42 |
| ErwinJunge | The plot thickens | 20:42 |
| merlin1991 | I had sudo that didn't ask for pw some time ago | 20:43 |
| merlin1991 | (before a reflash) | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | then WTF is wrong with that filesize? And - completely unrelated - WTF is wrong with Sicelo 's setup/system? | 20:43 |
| RST38h | evil | 20:43 |
| merlin1991 | but iirc then it wasn't like that on the original flash came with something | 20:43 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Specifically, wtf is wrong with YOUR filesize | 20:43 |
| RST38h | mhm, no, the elves have not digitized the latest DrWho yet. | 20:43 |
| ErwinJunge | Since I'm convinced that 90040 is the correct one | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: or that, yes :-D | 20:44 |
| Sicelo | but size has nothing to do with this particular behaviour, that's obvious | 20:44 |
| ErwinJunge | 90040 is the size of the file immediately after reflash | 20:44 |
| ErwinJunge | First thing I did was ls -l `which sudo` | 20:44 |
| xmltv | echo "user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I got that 91584 on TWO devices, one of them never got updated since 1.2 days | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | xmltv: BZZZZZ wrong | 20:45 |
| xmltv | thats default way | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's not maemo way though | 20:45 |
| * Sicelo now wonders if he doesn't have extra space or something in his /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo | 20:45 | |
| xmltv | lol | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | xmltv: default way to fsckup your system on maemo | 20:46 |
| ErwinJunge | Maybe it's a difference in image? I use the global edition. | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 20:46 |
| xmltv | i wouldnt mess with it anyways, having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe :p | 20:47 |
| merlin1991 | whatabout sudo gainroot, and all the "win" it brings? :D | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 20:47 |
| ErwinJunge | 8GB of app space feels so enormously liberating. Why didn't Nokia do that as the default? | 20:48 |
| ErwinJunge | That's the same version | 20:48 |
| ErwinJunge | So that's not the cause either | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | xmltv: merlin1991: sorry you both lost me | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: SSU vs. flashing img | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess my sudo binaries are both pre-1.3 | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: "having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe", I was saying that rootsh basically brings the same mayhem | 20:49 |
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| merlin1991 | but still is considered the good solution to start hacking | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: yes, we are all aware that un+-installing rootsh will kill the "security" introduced by my # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot "hack" | 20:50 |
| xmltv | hang on doc, let me open my tablet and give u details on how i did it | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | xmltv: honestly, not needed. But thanks | 20:51 |
| xmltv | argh, i was hacked and someone called 'shutdown -h now' on my root prompt... | 20:51 |
| xmltv | ah.. no, just needs the electrical outlet charger :p | 20:51 |
| javispedro | either way, my personal config is to leave all sudoers as defaults, do not isntall rootsh (so gainroot is a nop), and install an extra file that allows sudo -s to work (without password, my personal preference) | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's basically what rootsh does as well | 20:52 |
| javispedro | seemingly badly | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 20:53 |
| javispedro | because it's not working =) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | EH?? | 20:53 |
| javispedro | and I doubt it's an issue with the sudo binary itself | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootsh works | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ever did | 20:53 |
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| * javispedro 's still not sure what kind of problem you have then.. | 20:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously I completely missed to state my point (once again) | 20:54 |
| javispedro | either way, have to go again, sorry. | 20:54 |
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| xmltv | a workaround; add to .bashrc: alias soho="ssh root@localhost", create id_rsa.pub (ssh-keygen) as user, do "cat id_rsa.pub > /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2" | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: Sicelo tried to follow what I adviced in # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools, and it didn't work for him | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: your idea about hidden chars in 01sudo is a good thinking | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | xmltv: WHAT? | 20:56 |
| strangr | when i try to deploy an app that uses QtMultimediaKit 1.2 i get the error module “QtMultimediaKit” is not installed import QtMultimediaKit 1.2 ^ | 20:56 |
| strangr | I have already installed the package libqtm-12 on the device using apt-get | 20:57 |
| xmltv | thats how i gain root, running ssh server and connecting myself to localhost as root user | 20:57 |
| strangr | maemo5 freemantle pr1.3 | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's wrong with rootsh? | 20:57 |
| strangr | someone please help | 20:57 |
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| strangr | code is here http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9586/ | 20:57 |
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| Sicelo | by the way, how do i get vi or nano to show if there are spaces or other characters? | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems yu all lost the thread some hours ago, except Sicelo, ErwinJunge and me | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: err, not at all? | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can spot them by moving the cursor | 20:59 |
| xmltv | strangr the deployed app is .py? | 20:59 |
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| strangr | nope | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: uninstall rootsh, reinstall rootsh, do again: | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/;\ | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL =\ | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" \ | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | -i /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | update-sudoers | 21:00 |
| strangr | xmltv no | 21:00 |
| xmltv | 'import QTMuti..' comes from what exactly then? | 21:00 |
| strangr | QML | 21:00 |
| strangr | libqtm-12 | 21:00 |
| strangr | QtQuick | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: maybe you *missed* a space, e.g on ALL = PASSWD: | 21:02 |
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| strangr | xmltv its QML | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | could easily result in "ALL =PASSWD:" the way I've broken up the lines | 21:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders deploying proper script files for download, rather than these froggin wiki <pre>foo passages</pre> | 21:04 | |
| xmltv | strangr aye, dont know much about that tbh... however 'import' is looking for library along a path LD_LIBRARY_PATH (and perhaps something similar toQML_LIB_PATH) | 21:04 |
| xmltv | strangr since your installed library most likely is an extras-devel, your tablet may not know where it is located (prefix could be /usr/local?) | 21:05 |
| strangr | <xmltv> see in main.cpp I have the line viewer.setMainQmlFile(QLatin1String("qml/xyz/main.qml")); | 21:05 |
| strangr | sorry | 21:06 |
| strangr | viewer.engine()->addImportPath(QString("/home/opt/qtm12/imports")); | 21:06 |
| frals | run the binary with QML_IMPORT_TRACE=1 and you can see where it searches for the imports, make sure libqtm-12 installs files in the correct dirs | 21:06 |
| strangr | <frals> viewer.engine()->addImportPath(QString("/home/opt/qtm12/imports")); | 21:06 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Considering these things are mostly "best practice" anyways, how about integrating with CSSU? | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, well... | 21:07 |
| strangr | <frals> wont that add the directory into wherever it searches imports | 21:07 |
| strangr | ? | 21:07 |
| Sicelo | http://pastebin.com/h97r1JsX | 21:07 |
| frals | i would assume so, but double check with import trace... | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems nobody would like to get default PASSWD: in sudo gainroot with CSSU | 21:07 |
| ErwinJunge | I do :) | 21:08 |
| strangr | <frals> fine will do that | 21:08 |
| ErwinJunge | And it *is* best practice | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, javispedro was all of a different notion | 21:08 |
| xmltv | strangr win-win for you is to locate the library path yourself, then call binary with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=<LOCATED_PATH>:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH <executable binary> | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and indeed a password that's broken that easily is of questionable benefit except to stop sysadmin friend who 'borrow' your phone while you're peeing | 21:09 |
| ErwinJunge | Scripts that users download that kill the system by simply calling "root" and then do evil? | 21:10 |
| strangr | <xmltv> thanks | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd at very least add password protection for HAM as well | 21:10 |
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| ErwinJunge | I'm assuming QA would get evil stuff out of the repos | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: you can do same by downloading a package with a rogue postinstall script | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | (QA) BWAHAHAHA | 21:11 |
| ErwinJunge | That's not caught by the auto QA? | 21:12 |
| ErwinJunge | Then what's the point of the QA procedure at all? :) | 21:12 |
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| ErwinJunge | Dinner now, afk | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk here as well | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | good luck Sicelo | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | thanks for your efforts :) | 21:13 |
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| * DocScrutinizer notices exposing qualities of a bull terrier, this 90040 vs 91584 issue eats my tranquility | 21:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW it drives me mad | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I see me flashing PR1.2 in a few hours :-S | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody around who updated to PR1.3 via SSU and definitely never flashed since then? | 21:42 |
| derf | I'm still on 1.2. | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if there's anybody, please paste result of >> ls -l `which sudo` << | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: \o/ | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | my hero :-) | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Moo, derf | 21:44 |
| RST38h | The conservative lobby of #maemo | 21:44 |
| nox- | 91584 Apr 17 2009 | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 21:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | derf, CSSU. | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was RIGHT, RIGHT right right righ... | 21:45 |
| nox- | (1.3 upgraded from 1.2 over wifi) | 21:45 |
| derf | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-))))) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so another miracle solved | 21:46 |
| nox- | what was the issue? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | users that flashed 1.3 have filesize 90040 | 21:46 |
| nox- | oh | 21:46 |
| RST38h | And why is it a problem? | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because | 21:48 |
| RST38h | BTW, Ovi Store appears to only allow one mobile phone | 21:48 |
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| strangr | <xmltv>got rid of that error | 22:07 |
| xmltv | strangr awesome :) | 22:07 |
| strangr | <xmltv> had to move the set import statement above the statement that loads the qml | 22:07 |
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| strangr | <xmltv> but now i m gettin something worse | 22:08 |
| strangr | CameraBin error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem. | 22:08 |
| strangr | Camera error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem. | 22:08 |
| strangr | Camera state changed: QCamera::UnloadedState | 22:08 |
| strangr | ??? | 22:08 |
| strangr | <xmltv> any ideas? | 22:09 |
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| xmltv | afraid im clueless when it comes to gstreamer.. seems like youre missing gstreamer plugin for camera allthought i find that hard to believe | 22:11 |
| Sicelo | CSSU? | 22:12 |
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| xmltv | apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera => allready newest version right? | 22:14 |
| strangr | need to check that | 22:15 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Congrats on solving one of the great mysteries of our time :) | 22:15 |
| ErwinJunge | Sicelo: CSSU what? | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh :-D | 22:15 |
| ErwinJunge | Now to figure out what the difference is and why it's not updated with the SSU ;) | 22:16 |
| ErwinJunge | Anyways, I'm off. Byebye all | 22:18 |
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| strangr | xmltv thanks neway | 22:23 |
| strangr | :) | 22:23 |
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| strangr | xmltv i'll check gstreamer plugins.. i must be having the latest versions to my knowledge | 22:24 |
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| angelox|laptop | DocScrutninzer: doing charge.sh ... | 22:28 |
| angelox|laptop | running* | 22:29 |
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| angelox|laptop | i only don't find i2cset | 22:30 |
| angelox|laptop | can't * | 22:30 |
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| NIN101 | i2cset is in i2c-tools iirc | 22:34 |
| angelox|laptop | E: Couldn't find package 12c-tools | 22:35 |
| angelox|laptop | s/12c/i2c/ | 22:35 |
| infobot | angelox|laptop meant: E: Couldn't find package i2c-tools | 22:35 |
| angelox|laptop | i need compile them i think | 22:35 |
| merlin1991 | nah they are in the devel repos for sure | 22:37 |
| merlin1991 | hen depends on them | 22:37 |
| merlin1991 | here we go: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/i2c-tools/3.0.2-1maemo3/ | 22:38 |
| angelox|laptop | thanks | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: you can install them from extras-devel | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991 said that it seems | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: btw bq.tgz of ShadowJK comes with i2c* as well | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I guess each method installes them elsewhere, so you might have to edit some paths | 22:43 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 22:43 |
| angelox|laptop | i'm running charger | 22:43 |
| angelox|laptop | charger.sh | 22:43 |
| angelox|laptop | what would you like to know? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway i2ctools are in bq.tgz same location you found charge.sh.txt | 22:44 |
| angelox|laptop | Status: 0x90 | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it chage? ;-D | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks rather good | 22:44 |
| angelox|laptop | but Battery level stills in 0% | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | paste full output of one minute charger.sh, as well as bq27200.sh | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, it won't jump to 100% in 30s ;-D | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the current that counts | 22:45 |
| angelox|laptop | :) | 22:46 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 22:46 |
| angelox|laptop | let me restart | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it flow into or out of battery | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | open one shell running bq27200.sh 5 | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | open another after that, and run charger there | 22:46 |
| angelox|laptop | yes,but i need add > /path/for/some/file/ | 22:47 |
| angelox|laptop | :) | 22:47 |
| angelox|laptop | or install openssh | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw first you need to `stop bme` | 22:48 |
| angelox|laptop | oh | 22:48 |
| angelox|laptop | didn't know | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | charger.sh conflicts with bme | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just checked if charger.sh takes care about it - it doesn't | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so issue `stop bme` before starting with connecting charger | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | then start bq27200.sh | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | then start charger.sh | 22:50 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | then post the outputs of both | 22:50 |
| angelox|laptop | one minute sir :) | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually you could start bq27200.sh even before stopping bme | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't hurt and gives more info | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just in case you hadn't started the whole procedure yet | 22:52 |
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| angelox|laptop | then 0x90 looks good? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the sequence is: start bq27200, stop bme, connect charger, start charge.sh | 22:54 |
| Pali | hello | 22:54 |
| Pali | can somebody help me with osso-abook and telepathy libraries? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | if [ $STATUS == 0x10 ] || [ $STATUS == 0x90 ] ; then MODE="CHARGING" | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo $(date) "standby -> CHARGING. Current available capacity: " $NAC "mAh" >> /home/user/MyDocs/charger.log | 22:55 |
| angelox|laptop | http://pastebin.com/zT3tg6Yu | 22:55 |
| angelox|laptop | http://pastebin.com/3L247Rad | 22:56 |
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| angelox|laptop | then start bme? | 22:56 |
| angelox|laptop | there's a solid orange light now | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | this all looks very very strange | 22:58 |
| angelox|laptop | i know :( | 22:58 |
| angelox|laptop | should i strike my phone at the wall? :) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer to see what's actually going on input/cmd side as well | 22:58 |
| angelox|laptop | that's what i did: http://pastebin.com/aXVDL4UW | 22:59 |
| angelox|laptop | and this with some accidents http://pastebin.com/jZnRjLN8 | 23:00 |
| angelox|laptop | should i start bme again? i don't know anything about it | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | please reboot the phone, then run bq27200.sh for some minutes and paste | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | without charger connected | 23:02 |
| angelox|laptop | with the charger? | 23:02 |
| angelox|laptop | ah o | 23:02 |
| angelox|laptop | ok* | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be precise run bq27200 and after some defined time connect charger | 23:02 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | make a mark in the bq27200 output on when charger got connected | 23:03 |
| angelox|laptop | of course | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | run both situations for at least one minute | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | with screen dim | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | via ssh | 23:03 |
| angelox|laptop | screen dim? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | locked | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dark | 23:03 |
| angelox|laptop | ah ok | 23:03 |
| angelox|laptop | sorry | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | this one line mentioning >450mA draft from battery scares me | 23:04 |
| angelox|laptop | the battery currently is weak | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, yeah it's ~3.700V | 23:05 |
| angelox|laptop | just ./bq27200.sh ? or ./bq27200.sh 5 ? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5 | 23:05 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 23:05 |
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| angelox|laptop | http://pastebin.com/x0yA0Byj | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: powerkernel? | 23:09 |
| angelox|laptop | Nope | 23:09 |
| angelox|laptop | i just can't understand why negative values | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsmod|grep bq | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: negative values are discharge current | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it discharges faster after charger connected :-P | 23:10 |
| angelox|laptop | hmm | 23:11 |
| angelox|laptop | lsmod|grep bq doesn't returns anything | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | now keep bq27200.sh 5 running | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop bme | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | start charge.sh | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | paste the output of bq again, mark where you've done what | 23:12 |
| angelox|laptop | wops | 23:12 |
| angelox|laptop | now i'm not sure when i have done the things :( | 23:13 |
| angelox|laptop | i did everything on the run | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll be able to tell from the logs (I hope) | 23:13 |
| angelox|laptop | i'd like to meter if the battery pins are receiving current,but i don't know how leave the phone powered on without battery | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw keep all running | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can't | 23:14 |
| angelox|laptop | some time: http://pastebin.com/t2J18pV2 | http://pastebin.com/ugASAmX0 | http://pastebin.com/6yMB1wWW | | 23:15 |
| angelox|laptop | i don't know if the last one is important | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | wow that old charge.sh | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: you're sure your charger is OK? looks like it'd provide just some 4.x Volt | 23:18 |
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| angelox|laptop | how can i check it? :( | 23:19 |
| angelox|laptop | another phone it chargers i think | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | 0x90 is kinda strange, typically you'd see 0x10 if wallcharger=1 | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | your phone detects there's a charger connected, it also detects it delivers voltage to vbus and has D+- short | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it doesn't charge | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah. sth id odd | 23:20 |
| angelox|laptop | i did check in the shop,new battery really costs expansive,just imagine a new charger :( | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | were those ./bq27200.sh readings taken with screen on or off? Stock kernel or kernel-power? | 23:21 |
| angelox|laptop | stock|off | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | no PK, screen off | 23:21 |
| * angelox|laptop is going to shot his N900 to wall | 23:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | better ask Nokia for a repair on warranty | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | the current draw is consistent with screen off, usb on, charger off. Which is damn strange, since charger thinks it's charging | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | might happen when wallwart-charger voltage is way too low | 23:22 |
| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer: i've already sent my phone 2 times | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'd think bq24150 should detect volt-low or supply-bad or sth thn | 23:23 |
| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer: unfortunately they don't do ANYTHING. The phone fakely charges,so they thinks it's ok | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | idiots | 23:23 |
| angelox|laptop | yes | 23:23 |
| angelox|laptop | first time: we've updated your software | 23:24 |
| bindi | second time: enjoy your E7 | 23:24 |
| bindi | lol | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell them you want it back with battery CHARGED by the phone | 23:24 |
| angelox|laptop | secound time: we have changed your battery | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, first check your wallcharger | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | use another charger | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | What's the current on what happens if you submit your n900 for repair, and request a n900 as a replacemet? | 23:25 |
| angelox|laptop | SpeedEvil: i don't know how to ask that, they see the CHARGING BAR moving,they say "It's working" | 23:26 |
| angelox|laptop | frustrating :( | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: try same procedure as before, but this time with your PC as power source | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: tell them you only take it back when they CHARGED your empty battery to 100% *with the phone* | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | also, the usb phy has a signal line to bq24150, which goes active after charger detection and charger=1, and makes the status 0x10 instead of 0x90 | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | will take them 4h to sit the phone on some desk until they notice it switched down with empty battery despite "charging" | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | So this would indicate a break, and since bq24150 thinks it's charging, the current has to go somewhere | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | Though I'd also try reetart charge21.sh | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, this won't change any of the problems | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | nope, but version 21 has soft-start ;-) | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | only complicates things | 23:29 |
| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer: another problem: the warranty is at 20km~ (IIRC) from my home | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd really think the wallwart is maybe bonkers | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | mm | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | or have you gone through that | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | not yet | 23:30 |
| * angelox|laptop is booting his n900 to test again from PC charging | 23:30 | |
| * DocScrutinizer hands over the mic to ShadowJK | 23:31 | |
| ShadowJK | nah | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | I'm watching a western on tv | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Jane Fonda | 23:31 |
| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer: what should i do with it connected to PC? just the bq27200? | 23:32 |
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| ShadowJK | that's a good start | 23:33 |
| angelox|laptop | bme stoppedd ? | 23:33 |
| angelox|laptop | stopped* | 23:33 |
| * ShadowJK always has bq27200 running in an xterm | 23:33 | |
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| ShadowJK | bq27200 can be run with bme both started and stopped. I'd try with bme started first | 23:34 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 23:34 |
| angelox|laptop | but it stills discharging | 23:35 |
| angelox|laptop | 10:55 3660 0 0 -185 0 0 0 65535 0 33 0 | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | then stop it and start charger.sh | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | Out of curiosity, does usb mass storage work? | 23:36 |
| angelox|laptop | That's not a sw problem | 23:36 |
| angelox|laptop | ShadowJK: yes | 23:36 |
| angelox|laptop | even PR1.2 didn't work | 23:36 |
| Sicelo | 0.o how have u been surviving all this time? | 23:37 |
| angelox|laptop | http://pastebin.com/Ye1piGuh | http://pastebin.com/3TwY47dM | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | This is very strange, because if it was simple broken between charger chip and battery, charge chip would give an error.. | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect some component of bq24150 broken | 23:39 |
| angelox|laptop | yes,the current from charging is comming,and going to some(magic)where,and it is not the battery | 23:39 |
| angelox|laptop | s/charging/charger/ | 23:39 |
| infobot | angelox|laptop meant: yes,the current from charger is comming,and going to some(magic)where,and it is not the battery | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no current coming from charging | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's obviously not going anywhere | 23:39 |
| angelox|laptop | did you see my last pastebins ? | 23:40 |
| angelox|laptop | kind of strange | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could test if booston can provide 5V to USB connector, but you'd need a h-e-n F-F-USB-adapter to actually find out, I guess | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, your battery is shortly going to shutdown the system on low voltage | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, your system is shutting down on low battery voltage | 23:43 |
| angelox|laptop | yes | 23:43 |
| angelox|laptop | then,actually what can i do about my phone? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it evidently doesn't charge no matter what you do | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | send in for repair | 23:43 |
| * angelox|laptop 'll send his phone to USA,or any other country,they(warranty shop) shouldn't be so stupid like in Brazil | 23:43 | |
| trumee | is there any utility to chkdsk N900 FAT partition? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bm | 23:44 |
| infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 23:44 |
| angelox|laptop | DocScrutinizer, for some *really magic* way,it charged a bit when i was trying meego | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ponder this: L1140 defect | 23:45 |
| angelox|laptop | but i'm not sure if it charged while dd'ing for the eMMC or when it was booted up | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or C1141 | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | but if current through its sense resistor drops below 50 it'd terminate as ... oh it wouldn't if voltage was too low on output | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | booston is the tool to check | 23:47 |
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| angelox|laptop | what is booston? | 23:48 |
| angelox|laptop | ~booston | 23:48 |
| angelox|laptop | :( | 23:48 |
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| Sicelo | /usr/sbin/booston , at least if u have h-e-n | 23:49 |
| fizzie | Was *so* tempted to say "it's a ciity in Maassachusetts". | 23:50 |
| angelox|laptop | lol | 23:50 |
| angelox|laptop | i haven't no more h-e-n since my device has been flashed 10~ times | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: use that script | 23:52 |
| angelox|laptop | lol 4) errortext2="Battery OVP - WTF are you doing?";; | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | watch out, the attachment is not the script ;-) | 23:53 |
| angelox|laptop | i see | 23:53 |
| angelox|laptop | but i'm not sure if i have enough power for the test | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | --> 03) "battery too low, VBUS shut off" | 23:55 |
| angelox|laptop | should i use it with(out) the charger? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | without! | 23:55 |
| angelox|laptop | ok | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's meant to power the USB internally ;-) | 23:56 |
| angelox|laptop | wow | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need to shut down BME for it to work | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh actually it takes care | 23:57 |
| angelox|laptop | booston.sh: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 23:58 |
| angelox|laptop | that's sh booston.sh | 23:58 |
| angelox|laptop | just ./booston.sh does: -sh: ./booston.sh: Permission denied | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | chmod a+x ./booston.sh | 23:58 |
| angelox|laptop | same | 23:58 |
| angelox|laptop | booston.sh: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm | 23:59 |
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| angelox|laptop | sorry,bad GDM | 23:59 |
| angelox|laptop | did i miss something after my last message? | 23:59 |
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