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infobotOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)00:12
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* GeneralAntilles yawns.00:13
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: moo00:13
GeneralAntillesAnything new and exciting today?00:13
DocScrutinizererrr00:13
* ludens is loving the CSSU upgrades00:13
DocScrutinizerif there was then I forgot00:13
DocScrutinizeraah yeah00:13
GeneralAntillesAh, right, still haven't installed that.00:14
DocScrutinizercssu update updates00:14
ludensthey implemented the Modest patch00:14
GeneralAntillesWhat's new?00:14
GeneralAntilles~cssu00:14
infobotmethinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU00:14
ludensits awesome00:14
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ludensso fast compared to the standard version00:14
DocScrutinizerseemy you can finally get rid of rotation00:14
ludenslandscape desktop works like a charm00:14
ludensit remembers how you want your icons organized in both modes00:15
DocScrutinizerwow, what a progress. LANDSCAPE desktop, incredible ;-P00:15
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ludenslol00:15
ludensits not like i was longing for it, but it seems to work well anyway00:16
GeneralAntillesRotation works pretty well except for a few minor bugs.00:16
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DocScrutinizerI simply hate it, as it rotates way too much for my liking00:17
DocScrutinizerif I could disable the auto thingie then I might actually consider rotation a good thing00:17
DocScrutinizerseems others had similar ideas00:18
GeneralAntillesYeah00:18
GeneralAntillesThere are a couple of contexts where it just doesn't need to rotate00:19
GeneralAntillesbut that's compounded by the fact that rotation takes forever.00:19
DocScrutinizermy suggestion though wasn't a button in status menu but simply using cam switch to enable rotation according to gravity00:19
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* GeneralAntilles just made $50 for using FlashGot to grab an .flv off a local news site.00:21
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SpeedEvil?00:28
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, tech-incompetent local museum.00:30
SpeedEvilAh.00:31
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that's not a bad idea01:52
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MohammadAGsysuid kinda impresses me01:54
MohammadAGthe fact that it can update in both portrait and landscape is awesome01:54
MohammadAGunless they're using a new instance for every window, in which case it impresses me, not01:55
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Sazpaimonis there a way to enter the pipe key when vncing into the N900?03:32
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/08/microsoft_inks_licensing_deals_with_acer_and_viewsonic_over_chrome_and_android/ <-- sheesh... would people stop cowtowing to m$ already08:56
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psycho_oreoshave you ever played with the hacks for ovi maps? (i.e. voice navigation + POI + few other things)09:49
* Sicelo has09:50
psycho_oreosyou using the python voice server, the OM voice server or the HTML5 version?09:51
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SiceloOM09:53
Siceloworks quite well :)09:54
Siceloiirc the python way is deprecated09:54
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psycho_oreosyeah I'm looking through the forum threads and trying to find out why om voice server isn't working in my case.. I'm using cormacb's index.html file and I have before renamed those sound files to .wav without success. I don't see the need to change the voice language as what I need is en_GB only09:56
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Sicelodoes it run, or segfaults?09:57
psycho_oreosit runs but no voice guidance09:58
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psycho_oreosI'm thinking of hacking the index.html script to include en_AU lol which is similar if anything to en_GB09:59
Sicelo:/ do the sounds play on the the Command Tester tab?09:59
psycho_oreosyup they sure do09:59
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psycho_oreoshumm another possible reason might be due to me using symlinks... maybe it prefers binding mounts10:00
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Sicelonot for me, i just installed it, didn't even rename the voice files, used the correct index.html, and all worked fine afterwards10:01
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Sicelowhen u start maps, does it ask if u want to use OM server?10:02
psycho_oreosthe question is which index.html file lol, blaizzen has his own, cormacb has his own and there's another bloke with his own10:02
psycho_oreosnope10:02
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Sicelolet me see if i can find u the correct one just now :010:03
psycho_oreosthanks, that'll be really handy :)10:03
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Sicelolol, too many there.. here's the one i use: http://members.bombshellz.net/~sicelo/n900map.zip10:10
yaccinhi :o anyone tested the firefox mobile nightlies for maemo?10:10
yaccini only get "permission denied" and i dont know how. i dont want to run it as root :D10:10
yaccins/how/why10:12
psycho_oreosSicelo, thanks, I found this which seems to be Blaizzen posting a slightly more refined version of index.html that may depend on omvoiceserver: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=989134&postcount=36210:12
psycho_oreosI've tested nightly and it doesn't need root, for some reason your install is messed up10:12
yaccini only extracted it. is there an installer? :O10:13
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psycho_oreosits supposed to come in a deb file and you could obtain it by following mozilla's mobile site10:14
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yaccini got it from nightly.mozilla.com10:14
yaccinand it is only a .tar.bz210:14
yaccin:O10:14
psycho_oreosdefinitely the wrong place to get it :p10:15
yaccinwell aurora (which you get at the mobile site) is not nightly :O10:15
yaccinnightly will one day become aurora10:15
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yaccinand on the mobile site the arora version is for android only :s10:16
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psycho_oreoshttp://www.mozilla.org/en-US/m/ <-- that is aurora?10:17
yaccinno10:17
yaccinklick on  all channels10:17
yaccinthere is arora (which is not nightly)10:17
yaccinbut only for android10:17
yaccinarora for maemo is only on http://nightly.mozilla.org10:18
yaccinbut it is only a tar.bz2 :s10:18
psycho_oreosafaik firefox mobile (or fennec even) for maemo is known as nightly once installed through usual method10:19
yaccinbut it is not the same version :o the "normal" one you get on the mobile site is based on gecko 7 or 8 while nightly is gecko 910:19
cehteh`there was this app to show wlan keys what was its name, i cant refind it10:19
yaccinarora is gecko 8 nightly is gecko 9 and normal version is gecko 710:20
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psycho_oreoscehteh`, show wlan keys what its name? gconftool?10:20
yaccinoh well even if i try to run it as root i get a permission denied :s10:20
psycho_oreossounds like a perms error :p needs to set +x10:21
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* psycho_oreos in the meantime is distracted as he loads up fennec10:21
cehteh`psycho_oreos: there was an plugin for the control panel (or was it standalone) .. giving a nice ui10:22
yaccini did a chmod a+x :s10:22
yaccinand a chown user10:22
psycho_oreoscehteh`, gconf editor or something like that?10:22
yaccinbut nothing worked :o10:22
yaccini guess they broke it at some point :D10:22
yaccinis the normal firefox version usable? the last time i tried it was way to slow :s10:23
cehteh`WPA Key Editor :) .. i think10:23
cehteh`psycho_oreos: i saied 'nice ui' :)10:23
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psycho_oreosits still slow (re fennec)10:24
yaccinmeh10:24
yaccinis there any other good browser? :o10:24
psycho_oreoscehteh`, oh that.. well I don't use WPA key editor or whatever you want to call it lol I'm predominantly a CLI man myself10:24
yaccini mean the shipped one is good but it could be better :D10:24
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psycho_oreosthere's opera but it has its own issues.. then there's macuco which also has its own issues :p10:25
psycho_oreosin other words, name your poison :P10:25
yaccin:D yeah already tried them didnt like them xD10:25
yaccinthen i guess i will stick with the shipped one :S10:25
yaccinthere really should be a qt4 webkit browser :O10:25
yaccina nice one :p10:25
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psycho_oreosyaccin, `Mozilla/5.0 (Maemo; Linux arm7l; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110531 Firefox/7.0a1 Fennec/7.0a1' <--- that's still gecko 7?10:26
yaccinyes :o10:26
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yaccinFirefox/7.0a1 << rv:7.0a1 << Fennec/7.0a1 <<10:27
yaccin:D10:27
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psycho_oreosI'm relatively a newb at gecko's numbering systems :p10:28
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cehteh`anyone knows if its possible to trigger a backup (the nokia app) automatically by alarmd?10:29
cehteh`unattended10:30
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psycho_oreosyaccin, for nightly (that test build in tar.bz2 format) which binary did you run?10:34
yaccini tried ./fennec and ./run-mozilla.sh10:35
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psycho_oreosapparently run-mozilla.sh requires extra switches and name of browser to run, fennec works in my case.. I decompressed the tarball into my /opt, ran ./fennec (after run-mozilla.sh and seeing that it won't run) as root which worked, just tried running as user and it still works10:37
psycho_oreosugh, s/fennec works/nightly works/10:37
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psycho_oreosI've also been digging around aurora seeing if there's any reason as to why there's none for maemo, apparently there is but on maemo they're basing it on gecko 7 engine and the released aurora for maemo5 is 7.0a2 (which is only slightly newer than whats provided by the mozilla qt repos)10:43
psycho_oreoshttps://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/2011-08-09-04-20-42-mozilla-aurora-maemo5-gtk/10:43
psycho_oreosor hmm wait.. that's an old directory..10:43
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psycho_oreosand nope, yaccin you're right yet again, its gecko 8: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-aurora-maemo5-gtk/ but they seem to only have it released in gtk (as opposed to qt)10:44
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yaccinfirefox is always gtk10:45
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yaccinexcept for that strange frankenstein experiment they did once10:45
yaccinwhich did not end that well :D10:45
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psycho_oreosand now you're telling me.. I used the qt version because I thought it was superior.. the truth is, its slow as hell.. maybe I should give gtk a dice instead10:47
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psycho_oreoshttps://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-maemo5-gtk/ <--- fennec 9 (which you say its nightly), there's a deb file there so that might help you install a little easier :)10:48
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RST38hMeanwhile: US Senate passes patent system reform bill, Obama expected to sign into law10:56
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yaccinpsycho_oreos: thx11:19
yaccini try11:19
psycho_oreosyaccin, essentially you have the whole family there lol, 7.0a2, 8.0a2, 9.0a111:19
psycho_oreosand it looks like they have literally neglected to update their maemo repos.. oh well11:20
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JaffaMorning, all11:38
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MohammadAGthe Galaxy SII isn't that bad13:51
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ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/09/09/microsoft_demos_windows_8_in_eight_second_boot/13:51
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Siceloso much for 24 hours DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1084856&postcount=85314:07
Sicelobeen occupied here and there14:07
DocScrutinizer?14:07
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Siceloi promised to give feedback about current draw after using N900 hostmode14:09
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DocScrutinizeraah14:47
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kevin_bhey guys if I build Qt in scratchbox, for the ARM target14:51
kevin_bwill my binaries be exactly the same like I would have built it directly on device?14:52
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kevin_b(not really exactly, i just wanna if differences are and what they would they be)14:53
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RST38hGoogle has built a brand-new programming language for "structured web programming", one that appears to be suited to browser-based apps.15:00
RST38hOh no not again...15:01
marmouteRST38h: link ?15:01
RST38hhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/09/google_dart_web_programming_language/15:01
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JaffaX-Fade: ping (can you remove mp-fremantle-community-pr from Extras-devel, please? MohammadAG oopsed ;-))15:16
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RST38homg live penguinbait18:49
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penguinbaittis true, I am alive18:56
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GeneralAntillesEverybody run!18:59
penguinbaithow about a fast shuffle19:00
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scoobertronanyone here using the enna media centre on the n900?19:22
scoobertronI was wondering if it works as a dlna control point19:22
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Sazpaimonscoobertron, if it uses dlna it should work19:28
scoobertronso I could use it to control my hifi19:29
SazpaimonIm not sure about that19:29
SazpaimonI know I use a dlna server to stream media TO my N90019:29
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scoobertronI have a dlna server that streams to my tv, hifi and n900, I just want a tool to control it all.19:30
SazpaimonMaybe Rygel can do it19:31
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SazpaimonZahaan as well19:32
SazpaimonZahaan may be your best bet19:32
Sazpaimonor is it Zhaan, I cant remember how its spelt19:33
scoobertronI have been playing with zhaan.  So far I have managed to get it to play one song and then crash.19:33
scoobertronWhich is kind of a success.19:33
SazpaimonYeah ive never used it before19:34
SazpaimonIt would be your best bet though19:34
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bindihmm20:27
bindiI wonder if anyone has made picture uploading automagic20:27
bindiI would like to scp pics taken after a blessn900 session automatically.. is this at all doable?20:27
keriofcam > blessn900, but sure20:27
keriohave rsync in a cron job20:28
bindihmm20:28
kerioor get a button to launch it20:28
bindiwhat's so better about fcam over blessn900?20:28
bindiI actually think I have fcam since I have CSSU20:29
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kerioi always had crappy results from blessn900 \_o_/20:30
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kerioif either of those has a way to specify a script to execute after a photo, you can use that20:30
keriobut you probably want to group the uploads together20:30
kerioso an extra button linked to rsync is probably better20:31
bindiwonder if I can add the button to blessn900 D:20:31
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DocScrutinizer50 virtual invisible karma point for the first one explaining what the command >> sed -e "s/ -t / -f /" -i /etc/X11/Xsession.post/21hildon-desktop << will cause (beyond the obvious edit of one letter), and why this is or is not a good thing :-D21:30
DocScrutinizerthe contest starts...21:30
DocScrutinizerNOW21:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer: i dunno, read the man page21:31
DocScrutinizerkerio is ut21:31
DocScrutinizerout21:31
kerio:(21:31
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DocScrutinizereverybody on the bleachers wonders where's javispedro, the champion and winner of last contest. Will he join in late, will he miss on this contest?21:33
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RST38hHehe21:33
DocScrutinizerc'mon guys, there's an amazing 50 virtual invisible karma points waiting for the winner21:34
DocScrutinizer(and maybe even a memorial plate in the hall of fame of CSSU!)21:35
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, we'd need a review prior to shipping that, so please have a look21:36
RST38hDoc: Need I say that sacrifices are supposed to be submitted in human blood?21:37
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DocScrutinizerwhat are the benefits, what are the possible side effects?21:37
SpeedEvilI don't see the file21:40
SpeedEvilI've got hildon-desktop-wait21:40
DocScrutinizerduh21:40
DocScrutinizer#!/bin/sh21:41
DocScrutinizerexport HILDON_DESKTOP_APPS_PRESTART=auto21:41
DocScrutinizer# sadly, we have to use dsmetool here, so we cant respawn session..21:41
DocScrutinizer/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t /usr/bin/hildon-desktop21:41
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DocScrutinizer.21:41
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DocScrutinizeris what a IroN900:~# cat /etc/X11/Xsession.post/21hildon-desktop  # gives me21:42
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SpeedEvilodd21:42
DocScrutinizerPR1.3+CSSU16.521:42
SpeedEvilOh - nocssu here yet21:42
SpeedEvilI need to play with that21:43
DocScrutinizerI didn't think CSSU is messing with Xsession config (yet)21:43
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* Sicelo has same setup as SpeedEvil 21:44
Sicelothat file doesn't exist on mine too21:44
DocScrutinizersee how important it is to get a review?21:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what'S up with yours?21:45
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DocScrutinizergrep  hildon-desktop -r /etc/X1121:48
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, dead battery21:50
DocScrutinizerhmm, make that >> sed -e "s/ -t / -f /" -i /etc/X11/Xsession.post/2*hildon-desktop <<21:50
MohammadAGbut afaik hildon-desktop was 17 on mine21:50
MohammadAGor was that camera-ui21:50
DocScrutinizerdang21:50
DocScrutinizerhmm, make that >> sed -e "s/ -t / -f /" -i /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*hildon-desktop <<21:50
Sicelolol, it is there, 20hildon-desktop on mine21:52
DocScrutinizersame here on t90021:52
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DocScrutinizerso Sicelo SpeedEvil you're in?21:53
MohammadAGN900 booted21:53
SpeedEvil?21:53
DocScrutinizer[2011-09-09 20:30:49] <DocScrutinizer> 50 virtual invisible karma point for the first one explaining what the command >> sed -e "s/ -t / -f /" -i /etc/X11/Xsession.post/21hildon-desktop << will cause (beyond the obvious edit of one letter), and why this is or is not a good thing :-D21:53
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infobotDocScrutinizer meant: [2011-09-09 20:30:49] <DocScrutinizer> 50 virtual invisible karma point for the first one explaining what the command >> sed -e "s/ -t / -f /" -i /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*hildon-desktop << will cause (beyond the obvious edit of one letter), and why this is...21:53
SpeedEvilI'm not doing anything sensible today.21:53
SpeedEvilI'm exhausted after pressure-washing the inside and outiside of a shed, to find that I need to attempt some welding or other fixes on it21:55
DocScrutinizerooh21:55
DocScrutinizerwelda shed?ing?21:56
DocScrutinizerdamn touchpad21:56
DocScrutinizerwelding? a shed?21:56
* Sicelo is out .. too much of a noob :P21:57
DocScrutinizerhmm21:57
DocScrutinizerhint: dsmetool --help21:57
Siceloi 'm onthat already21:57
Siceloi'd say it's bad21:58
Sicelo:/21:58
DocScrutinizerwhy?21:58
Siceloin the even that hildon-desktop cant start properly, you seem to have no other means to get control of the device21:59
MohammadAGdone, time to crash hildon-desktop21:59
Sicelobesides taking battery out :/21:59
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: what do you think was the operation sequence with an unmodified system in that situation?22:05
DocScrutinizerI think the alternative to "have to remove battery" is "bootloop, please reflash"22:06
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DocScrutinizerunless hildon-desktop would magically "repair itself" during a reboot22:06
DocScrutinizerSicelo: you prefer bootloop to take-out-battery ?22:07
MohammadAGhildon-desktop has a rescue.sh22:07
MohammadAGidk what it does22:07
* Sicelo is trying to figure out what the greek means on that file :p22:09
DocScrutinizerprobably it's meant to reset all widgets, walpapers and whatnot to factory defaults, but it needs to detect there'S something odd to actually do that22:09
DocScrutinizerSicelo: greek?22:09
Siceloi mean i don't really understand what is happening exactly22:10
Sicelothe -t switch says, ... after which do a SW reset, is that a reboot?22:11
DocScrutinizerdsmetool starts hildon-desktop, exactly as you already found out22:11
DocScrutinizeryes, this is reboot22:11
DocScrutinizercat /proc/bootreason ->> sw-reset22:12
DocScrutinizerif hildon-desktop blows chunks on e.g. a terribly messconfigured desktop widget, then you'll see a bootloop22:13
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DocScrutinizerI once triggered that by doing really nasty and pulling weather-widget from one screen to another, which caused h-d to explode during ransition to new screen and probably messing up the config files for weather-widget. A bootloop ensued which forced me to reflash22:15
DocScrutinizer(back when I had no idea about R&D mode)22:15
Sicelo0.022:15
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DocScrutinizernote that I theoretically could have logged in via ssh and fixed things, if only the sshd was up for more than 2 seconds on N900, per bootloop-cycle22:16
Sicelowhat is the -17 for?22:18
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DocScrutinizerso I think even a situatin where you have to remove battery to reboot/shutdown is better than a bootloop. Besides that MohammadAG claims mce and thus powerbutton hard shutdown still works even when h-d segfaulted22:18
DocScrutinizersome resource tweaking for OOM22:18
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MohammadAGhard? it's the same shutdown as always :)22:23
* Sicelo will go insane trying to figure this out ;)22:24
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RST38hOMG they have buried Steve Jobs23:30
RST38h[prematurely, I guess]23:30
ThreeMbrurned?23:31
ThreeMach buried..... my fault23:31
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rzr-mobhi23:37
RST38hrzr: Could you tell the name of a person responsible for the 'mg' package in your repository?23:38
rzr-mobi guess its me23:38
rzr-mobwhy?23:38
RST38hrzr: The name clashes with the name of my package that exists since N810 time23:39
rzr-mobis it a rootkit23:39
rzr-mobah i see23:39
RST38hrzr: So I have been hoping you will rename the package23:39
rzr-mobi wont do that23:39
rzr-mobbut i can remove it23:39
RST38hwhy remove it when it can be renamed?23:39
rzr-mobmg was years ago yours probally23:39
rzr-mobwont have time to do that23:40
RST38hyes,the original mg is pretty old23:40
rzr-mobi can disable it if you want23:40
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RST38hremove it then,if it is ok with you23:40
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rzr-mobis your mg on obs ?23:40
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RST38hunless of course it is really really really useful23:40
RST38hno, it is not23:40
rzr-mobi am an emacs fan23:41
rzr-mobso i planned to use it23:41
rzr-mobbut cant u rename yours ?23:41
rzr-mobtell me if when it is supported by harmattan23:42
RST38hrzr: lots of people know it as 'mg'23:43
RST38hrzr: has been around for a while23:43
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RST38hrzr: why don'tyou simply compile the whole emacs? N950 willpull it just fine23:43
rzr-mobdepends on gtk23:44
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jef91anyone else had issues with upstart preventing an upgrade recently?23:49
jef91it's got some unresolvable deps it seems23:49
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rzr-mobRST38h, i disabled publishing of mg23:56
rzr-mobRST38h, if u port it i think about replacing with yours and rename the old one23:57
RST38hrzr: There is an emacs package for Fremantle. The easiest thing would be to recompileit forHarmattan, and that would be the real emacs, not the simulation23:58
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rzr-mobthat mg start at speedlight23:59
rzr-mobi use it everyday23:59

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