IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-08-30

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nschle85MohammadAG: ping00:47
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Creteilwhy is it so hard to use scratchbox ? :-)00:48
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MohammadAGit's just a chroot :P00:49
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CreteilI'm currently working on source code, modify it whit quilt00:49
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nschle85MohammadAG: hello I am trying to compile u-boot for N900 , tried different toolchains, all the same resukt: loading kernel ...   (original maemo kernel) what can i do ?00:50
Creteilwhy after pushing my patch into debian patch, when it try to compile, i have this error :00:50
CreteilApplying patch class10sd_dto14_fix.diff00:50
CreteilApplying patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff00:50
Creteilpatch: **** strip count ab is not a number00:50
CreteilPatch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff does not apply (enforce with -f)00:50
Creteilmake: *** [source-stamp] Error 100:50
Creteil[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/kernel-power/kernel-power-2.6.28] >00:50
Creteilany idea ?00:50
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MohammadAGwhat's the problem nschle85 ?00:51
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nschle85MohammadAG: the compiled u-boot does not boot the combined nolo kernel00:53
nschle85last message: starting kernel ...00:53
MohammadAGis it 2.6.28-omap100:54
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nschle85MohammadAG: from this package: kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb00:54
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nschle85MohammadAG: how do you build the u-boot image ?00:55
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DocScrutinizerfor those claiming maemo is dead:
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CreteilNo idea about my problem ?01:11
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CreteilApplying patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff01:15
Creteilpatch: **** strip count ab is not a number01:15
CreteilPatch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff does not apply (enforce with -f)01:15
Creteilmake: *** [source-stamp] Error 101:16
CreteilAny idea ?01:16
Creteildamn !!! bad channel :-( sorry01:16
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DocScrutinizeryou've not seen bad channels yet01:26
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infobotwell, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
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DocScrutinizerbut yeah, shame on all those 80% of channel users sitting in front of their PC somewhere in Europe, in a TZ where it's 23:30, or more like 00:30 or 01:30, and whatching for 25(!!!) minutes without answering your most urgent question01:29
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DocScrutinizeryou for sure made some friends, pal01:30
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peetahDocScrutinizer: don't know if you answer was sarcastic or not, but in his defense, and in order to say something useless before bed time, the use of "bad" for "wrong" is a common mistake for native french speakers as he seems to be01:57
DocScrutinizerI don't think he confused bad with wrong02:00
infobotSince Mon Aug 15 18:07:02 2011, there have been 57 modifications, 678 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 357 commands.  I have been awake for 14d 4h 53m 50s this session, and currently reference 118109 factoids.  I'm using about 22372 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3888.17/113.01 child 0/002:00
x29adocscrutinizer: yay, scummvw within the latest packages ;)02:00
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PrimesHi I appear to have filled the root filesystem on my N900 Maemo, can anyone suggest some actions?02:41
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NIN101one reason could be that you have installed many applications, so get rid of those you actually don't need.02:45
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x29adocScrutinizer: believe it or not, i got the sdk up, compiled the mobility source and its working03:27
DocScrutinizeryup, installing apps/pkgs that are not optified can cause this. Another good place to look for files to delete/move is /tmp/ and /var/log/03:28
DocScrutinizerPrimes: keep in mind though that rootfs is ubifs, and that fs seems to have some sort of delayed delete action with garbarge collection, I.E. odds are that after a boot you find some space on / recovered03:30
DocScrutinizerthough I wouldn't rely on only this, as you'll end with a bootloop and have to reflash rootfs if the space recovered by boot isn't sufficient for the system's requirements during boot03:31
DocScrutinizerso better make sure you got some MB free space prior to rebooting03:32
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PrimesNIN101 yes I installed a lot of apps, but with zero space I could not dpkg --configure -a. Now I made some space I was able to uninstall a few04:01
PrimesI moved the ovi maps and microb into /opt04:02
PrimesThanks docscrutinizer I'm trying a reboot too04:02
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kakashi_hi, i have a situation04:15
kakashi_I using the latest maemo on n90004:15
kakashi_how do I switch the apmd on04:15
kakashi_from the terminal?04:16
kakashi_DocScrutinizer: ^^ if you are free04:17
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SpeedEvilapm is a historical powersaving solution, not used anymore on PCs since the 90s.04:28
SpeedEvilThere is no APM in the n900 at all.04:28
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ShadowJKone of the replacement battery icon shit has a "apmd" I think04:33
ShadowJKnot sure04:33
ShadowJKI think the solution was to uninstall/reinstall that04:34
ShadowJKor just uninstall it04:34
DocScrutinizersolution for what?04:35
kakashi_it was something called advanced-power04:36
kakashi_dumb dumb app :(04:36
kakashi_btw, one question - I cant automatically set the time04:36
kakashi_is there a fix?04:36
DocScrutinizeris this THAT "app" of THAT guy??04:36
DocScrutinizeroh no THAT app was power-optimizer or sth like that04:36
kakashi_DocScrutinizer: yes, which mentions apmd as the missing link04:37
GAN900THAT guy?04:37
kakashi_well, I just did apt-get install --reinstall advanced-power04:37
kakashi_and it worked04:37
DocScrutinizerthe guy that *sells* sqlite3 evacuate04:37
nox-sqlite3 what? :)04:38
kakashi_how does the time and date - set automatically work? which timeserver does it contact?04:38
GAN900DocScrutinizer, umad 'cause he better at monetizing than you.04:38
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dangergrrlso if i have nothing but my n900 and need sasl i guess i need gcc... sigh04:39
DocScrutinizerkakashi_: it's done via GSM04:39
ShadowJKkakashi_, it gets it from cellular network, if and when your operator sends time update04:39
DocScrutinizerGSM sends time msgs04:39
kakashi_is there a way I can monitor that?04:39
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe04:40
DocScrutinizerdbus might have sth04:40
DocScrutinizersyslog might have sth04:40
DocScrutinizerof course you could strace cellmo*d04:40
DocScrutinizeror whatever that part is called04:40
ShadowJKwith one operator i have card for, time msg only gets sent when establishing gprs connection04:40
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kakashi_ShadowJK: unfortunately it doesn't work that way here, I restarted the device for something, but the time still has not changed04:41
nox-there also is at least one gps tool that sets the clock04:41
DocScrutinizer*maybe* you could even convince pnatd to tel you, when you know the right AT command and pnatd supports it04:42
kakashi_nox-: name/link or some04:42
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dangergrrlnox: i need :)04:42
nox-i think gps recorder is it04:42
DocScrutinizerkakashi_: have you actually enabled automatic setting of time in settings->date&time ?04:43
kakashi_yes, I have04:43
nox-yeah its gps recorder04:43
dangergrrli know gpsjinni will not set the clock, i set the clock manually from it in the forest04:43
dangergrrlnox: thx04:44
nox-(it said my clock was off -2s)04:44
DocScrutinizerdang, you'd think you could set up/configure the system to get GPS time for a stratum1 local server whenever available04:44
DocScrutinizera pity maemo is so crippled, compared to a "real linux" like e.g. SHR04:45
nox-well gprs/3g latencies are not too good for ntp...04:45
nox-or shall i say jitter04:45
DocScrutinizerntp should compensate jitter04:46
DocScrutinizerand RTT04:46
nox-mobile connections may fluctuate more than it can handle04:47
DocScrutinizerthe main problem is ntp doesn't play nice with intermittent connectivity04:48
nox-well yeah that too04:48
DocScrutinizerand isn't really optimized for power savings, I.E. assumes CPU usage is for free04:48
DocScrutinizeron an embedded device it's crazy to sync time every 11 minutes04:49
kakashi_nox-: I can't find it :(04:49
kakashi_nox-: can you please tell me its package name04:50
nox-yeah that04:51
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jpinxis there not a setting for the clock to be updated by the mobile network?04:52
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DocScrutinizeryes, see backscroll04:53
jpinxok - just woke up.. :|04:53
DocScrutinizernp, just look ~80..100 lines up04:54
* jpinx hates scrollng on n900 screen ;)04:55
jpinxbut yes - I see it.04:55
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DocScrutinizernox-: I guess a nice script using ntpd -qddgf /dev/null plus some goodies to determine if there's any connection to internet at all, plus a hwclock --systohc if ntpd succeeded, and cal that via alarmed once or twice a day, maybe also from ifup - that should do a way better job than a standard ntpd install05:01
nox-yeah or maybe just an ntpdate from cron05:01
nox-or, gps :)05:01
DocScrutinizerntpdate is no more, cron never existed on maemo05:02
DocScrutinizeractually I hate they killed ntpdate05:02
DocScrutinizeras ntpd -q has no way to just _display_ the ntp date05:02
DocScrutinizerI frequently used to do a "date;hwclock;ntpdate;date" to see what's up with my different time sources05:03
DocScrutinizercan't do that no more :-(05:04
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DocScrutinizerooh btw don't forget the --noadjfile parameter when you do the hwclock --systohc05:05
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jpinxnokia developers forum hacked?
DocScrutinizerthough this situation where you do hwclock --systohc directly after a successful ntpdate that sets system clock correctly is the only reasonable way to handle adjtime file, I still think you're usually better off not using it at all05:07
DocScrutinizerjpinx: yep05:08
jpinxfrom the article  it looks like the devs emails got lifted..05:08
* jpinx bows deeply :)05:09
DocScrutinizerthe addr's05:09
dangergrrlso, is there an n950?05:10
jpinxhmm .. confirms my old habits of using throw-away email addresses ;)05:10
DocScrutinizerwell at least it looks like NOKIA05:10
DocScrutinizerand the page doesn't seem to be any fishing05:10
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jpinxDocScrutinizer: looks straight up - did you chase down the links to see more?05:11
DocScrutinizerthrow away email addr for throw away N950 device?05:11
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DocScrutinizererr sorry?05:11
DocScrutinizerchase down links?05:12
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dangergrrli've been offline a while there was a fcc test in may...05:13
jpinxDocScrutinizer: yes - the one link there is to
DocScrutinizermeh, I'm not interested in peer360's other products05:13
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jpinxis peer360 for real?05:14
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DocScrutinizerit's been the "from:" of Nokia's developer newsletters for many years05:14
jpinxanyway . just goes to show that there is no such thing as "secure" ;)05:15
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DocScrutinizeron haha05:15
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: fcc test?05:17
dangergrrlsome device that was made public at the end of june but i have been travelling05:19
DocScrutinizerwell that's been either N950 or N9. So what's about it?05:21
DocScrutinizeraah, >>[2011-08-30 04:10:35] <dangergrrl> so, is there an n950?<< missed that. Yes there are N950, one in front of me ;-)05:23
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DocScrutinizeralas it will never be available to purchase it05:24
dangergrrloh cool... worth my lust?05:24
DocScrutinizerNokia gave out 300 to community developers. They are clearly tagged as "developer device" and that's the whole story05:24
dangergrrlthey will never be for sale?05:25
luke-jrdangergrrl: doesn't sound like we're missing much05:25
DocScrutinizerat least that's the rumour and common conclusion05:26
dangergrrli was told in advance to plan disappointment05:26
dangergrrlthinking of a homebrew tablet based on pandaboard05:28
DocScrutinizerthere are so many 8" tablets now05:29
DocScrutinizerwhy bother DIY?05:30
dangergrrlmaybe i won't05:30
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DocScrutinizermoo and o/10:35
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chrisboffdoes anyone here know about audio routing configuration on the n900 if so I'd be grateful if you could help me with this problem:
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cityLightsmobile hotspot no longer work after power kernel upgrade10:55
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cityLightswell, is rambo here?11:03
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markinfoist there a possibility with activated data on 3G to turn nokia N900 in wifi Accesspoint?11:13
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psycho_oreosdepends on which software you use, the wifi hotspot would probably prompt you which connection to use if you have not set one up11:17
cityLightshow can I roll back to kernel power 47 ?11:17
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psycho_oreosmaybe something like apt-get install kernel-power=4711:18
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psycho_oreosapt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-10power47 ... something like that11:18
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markinfopsycho_oreos, sorry - i do not understand. - why should wifi hotspot to ask for a connection?11:18
cityLightsE: Version '2.6.28-10power47' for 'kernel-power' was not found11:19
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psycho_oreosmarkinfo, because it needs another connection to (usually) provide internet. Lots of people use their smartphones these days as a `tethered' modem, and so wifi hotspot is like the next step up which doesn't actually require cables between the computer and the smartphone (or device in this case)11:20
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markinfopsycho_oreos, And? That is. I have 3G Data von mobile provider - and a fast notebook (not a slow ARM CPU in n900)11:22
psycho_oreosIf you're looking for a specific use case, such as to just setup an ad-hoc connection whilst not having the said device using any other form of connection to access internet, etc. You need to do it by hand as afaik most wifi hotspot programs are generally used to share internet11:22
psycho_oreosmarkinfo, I don't understand what your intention is, wifi hotspot would hardly bog down N900 if you don't have unnecessary crap installed11:23
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psycho_oreosif you still want to complain about N900's slow ARM, there's always the usual USB tethering route11:23
cityLightsapt-get install kernel-power=1:2.6.28-10power4711:23
cityLightsand how to install all the deps?11:24
psycho_oreosprobably do it using similar commands as that but in the right order.11:25
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chem|stcityLights: All hands abandon ship!11:29
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markinfo   there is description about Firefox mobile but nowhere how to instal that.11:51
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markinfosimply donwload package fennec.deb from   and then dpkg -i fenec.deb?11:52
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psycho_oreosI think its a little more than just installing the deb file for fennec, and why would want to install that? it takes ~2 minutes to load up on a `slow' N900 (taking things into account such as running anything else in the background that would use a fair amount of processes11:57
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psycho_oreoss/processes/CPU load/11:57
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: I think its a little more than just installing the deb file for fennec, and why would want to install that? it takes ~2 minutes to load up on a `slow' N900 (taking things into account such as running anything else in the background that would use a fair a...11:57
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markinfobecause I would like to have browser which is at leaset12:00
markinfoleast a bit HTML5 able.12:01
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markinfoFirefox should be installable from   but Iis there a version for Maemo?12:12
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markinfocan it be installed over android market?12:13
markinfooh-  there is a special page:
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DocScrutinizercityLights: to "roll back" you need to do a full install of the new kernel, I.E. install the holy threefold of kernel&modules&flasher12:36
DocScrutinizerotherwise bootloop12:36
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cityLightsthank you very much12:43
chem|stDocScrutinizer: moo12:43
cityLightsI only did the kernel and modules12:43
chem|stcityLights: what did you need kernel-power for?12:43
DocScrutinizerchem|st: moo12:44
DocScrutinizerchem|st: for mobile hotspot12:44
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DocScrutinizerdoesn't work with 4812:44
DocScrutinizersomebody should pester pali to fix that12:45
SicelocityLights: otherwise 48 worked fine, besides the hotspot thing?12:45
cityLightschem|st: mobile hotspot12:45
cityLightsyes I can boot and use the kernel12:46
markinfoi have downloaded link from  ..then starts DownloadManager and it says Download of "fennec" is not possible. Programm package was not found.12:46
chem|stDocScrutinizer: again thinking about a week/WE in büttelbronn/langenaltheim where are you at again?!12:47
chem|stcityLights: so useful as a cat pissing in my car!12:47
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN12:47
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.08.30 0920 UTC; Dew Point: 44 F (7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 55%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 60 F (16 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (250 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) (direction variable)12:47
chem|stdowntown or suburbs?12:48
chem|stI'll talk to a friend, his parents are downtown too and have a appleranch near Langenaltheim12:49
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markinfothis download Link shows at and there seems to be a data.12:49
markinfothere is fennec_6.0_armel.deb12:50
DocScrutinizerchem|st: cityLights: how about USB hostmode and mounting of iso9660 et al?12:50
DocScrutinizeron 4812:51
markinfocould be problem that File Packages.gz  is empty there?12:51
DocScrutinizerI mean it's unlikely the kernel wouldn't even boot, no12:52
chem|stI could care less... neither my desktop nor my netbook nor my mobile need "CD" or "DVD" support anymore so not even a dvd device12:52
DocScrutinizerwell PK48 actually needs support for all that12:53
DocScrutinizerand it's been missing in either 46 or 4712:53
chem|stkernelpower 48?12:53
DocScrutinizerkernel-power aka powerkernel12:53
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DocScrutinizerkernel-power like grape-sweet or car-green12:54
DocScrutinizeror kernel-stock12:55
chem|stmy device is used productive so no use of keyboard or mice attached or other useless stuff in day2day use12:55
DocScrutinizerso what is this telling me?12:55
chem|stoxymorons are always wellcome!12:55
DocScrutinizercan I deduce from that if PK48 has more flaws than just netfilters not supported?12:55
chem|stkernel-power will power down? sure as hell it will not "em"power!12:57
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DocScrutinizerthought as much12:59
DocScrutinizer~dict poweruser12:59
infobotcould not find definition for poweruser12:59
DocScrutinizer~wiki poweruser12:59
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "A 'power user' is a user of a personal computer who has the ability to use advanced features of programs which are beyond the abilities of "normal" users, but is not necessarily capable of programming and system administration. In enterprise software systems such as Oracle or SAP, this title may go to an individual who is not a programmer, but who is a specialist in a transaction or ...12:59
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Sicelo11:55 < chem|st> my device is used productive so no use of keyboard or mice attached or other useless stuff in day2day  use13:00
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Sicelolol, h-e-n is not useless at all..13:00
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Sicelomy n900 is being used productively (no games besides stock ;)13:01
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chem|stSicelo: if I need something alike I have other hardware around...13:41
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chem|stSicelo: or how would you transfer stuff from SD card to N900 w/o bulky cardreader with you?13:42
chem|stbluky==bigger than my little finger...13:43
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eichisomeone knows, how autojoin in irggu works? autoconnect is configurable but no autojoin of rooms. the "commands after connect" windows with /join #maemo input seems not to work14:16
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: I always have a uSD cardreader with me that's about the size of my little finger. Anyway my question that seems to have started all that was about whether kernel-powe-v48 has maybe flaws/regressions regarding h-e-n/hostmode as well. I wasn't interested in discussing whether h-e-n is useful (for a particular user / usage pattern)14:51
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DocScrutinizer(and of course I wouldn't exactly need that tiny uSD cardreader to copy sth between N900 and a uSD card :-D )14:52
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: talking std-sized SDcards... interesting would it be; to have a full blown dm-crypt and attach my 2048b crypted 1TB uUSB HDD to it and have a wifi NAS with it... but I can only dream of it...14:56
crashanddieLinux has exceeded its bandwidth:
DocScrutinizerwho's admin-c?14:58
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ErwinJungeIf I want to reinstall my phone in an optimal way today, what would that be? (Among other things, I'd like /home to be a lot bigger, which I read somewhere once involves editing the image file)16:19
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chem|stErwinJunge: reflash to vanilla at first I guess16:44
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chem|stext size can be changed (only increased) while mounted, copy all things in myDocs somewhere safe, umount mydocs, delete partition of mydocs, increase size'o'home OTF, create mydocs partition, format mydocs vfat, reboot16:46
chem|stif you endup in a rebootloop it is not my fault, everything under "you know what you are doing"16:47
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cityLightschem|st , Sicelo , I a, back , got called away by work17:02
cityLightsI am sorry for the late response17:02
cityLightsI still need to test, but as you all remember this new kernel , previusly "killed" my N90017:03
cityLightsI am also highly dependedt on the N900, which makes me think of buying another one for backup17:03
ShadowJKit's pretty hard to kill an n90017:05
cityLightsyet if you upgrade from power kernel 47 -> 48 , I got a loop boot17:06
cityLightsnow when upgrading , you dont get a warning screen , telling you , you may get this17:06
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cityLightsnow on that day my SO mom checked in to the hospital, and I "lost" my cellular17:07
cityLightswhich drove me nuts17:07
cityLightsthis *may* happen17:07
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Sicelosure :)17:10
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chem|stcityLights: yeah thinking of buying another n900 "new" as long as they are available..17:26
cityLightswish they where offered at 99$ at best buy.....17:27
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vi__how to use dsmetool to kill a process?17:31
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NIN101really funny how there is no way in microb to manage ssl certificates18:35
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edheldilNIN101:  indeed, have noticed that as well18:53
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin
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BiggAlhey all20:17
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RST38hScientists Sequence Black Death Bacteria! Joy! JOY!20:31
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timelessbtw, everyone should be thankful that:21:52
timeless1. HAM doesn't require a password each time you try to update an app21:52
timeless2. HAM has the option to update all of your apps21:52
timeless3. you don't have the chance of having your device wipe itself if you get your password wrong 10 times in a row21:52
* timeless is currently updating 7 apps, one at a time, entering a device password each time21:53
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marmoutetimeless: how is your new job ?21:57
timelessi like it21:57
timelessthe people are great, and we have a unified way to submit bug reports to anywhere in the company21:58
timeless(ask nokians about how to do that)21:58
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timelessfor reference, sp3000 informed me last week that one of my bugs filed in feb (?) was just touched for the first time21:58
timelessoh, and the expense reporting system is actually pretty good21:59
* timeless got reimbursed for the major charge to a corporate card for a trip to paris21:59
* timeless needs to file another claim for the next trip and book flights21:59
timelessoh, and while there are some edges of BB that i don't like (app world update v. ham)21:59
timelessbb is *so* much better at offline use22:00
timelesse.g. i took my Torch to Paris but my global roaming sim was in my wallet (which decided to stay on the bus to the Toronto Airport )22:00
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timelessi had no trouble using BB Maps, BBM, and other things22:01
timelessthey all slurped sufficient content while i had wifi and worked well when i didn't have access22:01
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timelessoh, and App World can queue multiple installs concurrently (unlike HAM from Maemo 5-)22:02
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timeless(Nokia MeeGo of the N9 is an unreleased story and thus not worth considering)22:02
timelessoh, and my PlayBook is quite nice22:02
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sp3000timeless: wontfix! :D22:02
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timelesssp3000: seriously?22:02
timelessof course, the micro hdmi out isn't useful to me as i don't have any HDMI input ports anywhere22:03
* timeless is being given an old fashioned CRT TV by a coworker22:03
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sp3000yeah, I'm contemplating nagging ...but I don't think I ever touch that bug tracker for anything so there's a degree of meh to it22:04
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* timeless sighs22:06
* timeless shakes head22:06
timelessoh, and our internal it is generally good about implementing feedback22:06
timelesswhereas... see above?22:06
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* timeless needs to call the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library again22:08
timelessthose idiots have me on a mailing list22:08
timelessand there's a new one22:08
timelesssome designated mother for some school class around San Diego CCd me as the teacher's email on an email to parents trying to organize things22:08
timelessso far i've already received one reply to all22:08
* timeless grumbles22:09
* timeless sighs22:09
* timeless needs to schedule to call into mozilla's webapi meeting22:09
keriotimeless: call elop too22:14
* timeless doesn't care about nokia anymore22:14
timelesswell, i suppose i could spend some time shorting its stock22:14
timelessbut it seems too easy22:14
keriowill i really have to buy an android phone? :(22:15
timelessand i don't want the tax (filing) burden!22:15
timelessno, you can buy a BlackBerry ;-)22:15
Atariianyone got an Ubertooth working with their N900?22:15
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* timeless needs to find someone familiar w/ davmail22:17
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trumeetimeless: working for RIM now?22:21
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timelesssince the beginning of june22:24
timelessbut i really do love my BlackBerry22:24
timelessthe e61i really isn't a competitor at all22:25
* timeless used to call it a `blueberry`22:25
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* timeless thought other people had too22:25
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trumeetimeless: do blackberry phones have sip?22:33
timelessmine does22:35
timelessand yes, i use it22:36
timelessthe integration made me realize that the n900 didn't have a monopoly on that kind of integration22:36
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timeless(and the way facebook/gtalk/gvoice/... integrate into the unified mailbox is also better than the n900)22:36
timelessi haven't tried calling a user@host address w/ it22:37
timelessso i'm not sure if that side works22:37
timelessmvs is spiffy22:37
timelessi can easily transfer a call to/from my desk phone22:37
timelessnow nokia might say "who cares, our employees don't have desk phones"22:37
timelessbut... i'm in NAm now, and we do22:37
timelessand they're useful22:37
timelesstrying completing a long call when you need to reboot your mobile phone22:38
trumeetimeless: that is nice. can i stick in my custom asterisk sip details in mvs?22:39
timelessseems potentially relevant22:40
timelessmyKryptofon seems interesting22:41
trumeetimeless: it is a shame N900 doesnt support SRTP or ZRTP.22:42
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timeless sorry, i can't find anything useful about asterisk22:44
* timeless is using public searches22:44
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