IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-08-29

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elzalemhi, im flashing my n900, do i need both vanilla and combined images?00:36
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Sicelodepends what u want to achiever00:36
Sicelo~flashing00:36
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware00:36
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elzalemrestore everth to factory settings00:37
elzalemi thought that the combined image has the emmc image too (since it's called "combined") is that true?00:37
Sicelowhat about data u  already have?00:37
elzalemSicelo: everything is backed up00:37
Sicelothey're separate00:38
Sicelowhy u want to flash?00:38
elzalemSicelo: well after 3 months of messing with it00:39
elzalemi want to start again :)00:40
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Sicelook. :)00:40
luke-jrI love how N900 kernels are buggy as heck -.-00:41
* luke-jr needs to try rebuilding his again00:41
* Sicelo wishes someone could compil usb-modeswitch for N90000:41
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DocScrutinizerwhat's usb-modeswitch?00:54
luke-jrmy guess: the hack to put N900 into host mode00:54
SpeedEvilI think it was something from the 810 naieevely compiled for the 90000:55
SpeedEvilwhich never had a hope of working00:55
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DocScrutinizeraaah that old stuff, yeah00:56
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DocScrutinizerthe brilliant thing that afaik basically did nothing but just "echo host >mode"00:56
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Sicelono. usb-modeswitch is a utiliyu to eject 'fake ' cd-rom drive on zerocd based usb devices02:45
Sicelowhen first connected, the usb device acts as a cd-rom drive from which the driver gets installed. a flip-lop is then set and the devices appears as whatever it is meant to be. the cd-rom disappears.02:46
Sicelofor linux, usb-modeswitch sets the flip-flop02:47
SpeedEvilI must have been thinking of some other device02:52
Sicelonp :)02:53
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SpeedEvilSome other package02:59
Sicelomy gsm operator has high data charges compared to telco, which offers cdma modems. i know N900 can't power them directly, but a even with a hub, it would just appear as a cd to the N90003:02
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Sicelos/a even with a/even with a powered/03:03
infobotSicelo meant: my gsm operator has high data charges compared to telco, which offers cdma modems. i know N900 can't power them directly, but even with a powered hub, it would just appear as a cd to the N90003:03
cehtehyes some do that, first disk with drivers and then turn into a modem with some swithc03:04
cehtehdunno how03:04
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nox-Sicelo, try an eject command, or if that doesnt help look for (iirc) usb-modeswitch03:04
nox-(no idea if those are ported yet tho...)03:04
Siceloeject alone never works. and usb-modeswitch is what i'm crying for ;)03:05
cehtehopen("/dev/sr0", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK)   = 303:06
cehtehioctl(3, CDROMEJECT, 0xf1e940)          = 003:06
cehtehhehe port it over03:06
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cehtehi have no idea what that does .. ioctl?03:07
Siceloif i was a programmer, yes. i actually don't think it does much.. basically, aiui, there's a flip-lop in the device which must be flipped over. usb-modeswitch is able to send the right string to achieve that03:08
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Sicelowhat is the download size for the sdk?03:09
nox-there is an eject command on most linuxen that i think does just that03:12
nox-(send CDROMEJECT)03:12
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Siceloejecting is not enough. the flip-flop must be flipped over as well.03:13
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nox-yeah depends on the modem03:13
Siceloprolly03:14
nox-hence, usb-modeswitch03:14
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: eject alone works for e.g. my USB 3G stick03:35
Siceloow. means zte is trash :(03:35
Siceloac2766 is my modela03:36
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DocScrutinizerwell, usb-modeswitch should be simple to compile for maemo03:37
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* DocScrutinizer notices he's got not notifications about new releases of usb-modeswitch from original author for so long, he actually forgot about the whle thing03:40
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Sicelo:)03:41
Siceloi also don't think much would be involved compiling it03:41
DocScrutinizerUSB_ModeSwitch Version 1.1.6 (last bulk mail) from: usb_admin@draisberghof.de   2010-12-29 19:2503:41
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Sicelowhat's the download size for the sdk?03:42
DocScrutinizererr, scratchbox? some few GB03:43
Sicelook. will take me 2-e to download :P03:45
Sicelos/2-e/2-3/03:45
infobotSicelo meant: ok. will take me 2-3 to download :P03:45
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Sicelo*days03:46
DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=204582&postcount=403:48
DocScrutinizerHTH03:48
Siceloomg O_O03:49
Sicelothanks \0/ will check that out03:50
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ShadowJKNIN101, pong?03:50
NIN101ShadowJK: Your script, in meegocharge.tar, is it actually under some licence or are we free to use it for in our own projects?03:51
ShadowJKfree to use03:52
NIN101ok :-). thx.03:53
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ShadowJKabout 5% of it is original DocScrutinizer code, though i've rewritten things so many times anyway..03:54
DocScrutinizermeh03:54
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x29a_meh, why is qtm such a mess?04:35
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GAN900Somebody remind me how to change calcs in ATI85.07:46
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RST38hleft-topcorner07:53
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cityLightsis it true? has nokia development being compromised?10:16
joga?10:18
ruskie?10:19
RST38hCompromised by whom?10:20
sandst1cityLights: so it seems http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/10:20
RST38hAh that one, it is a fishing attack10:21
RST38hDo not click on that email10:21
abcityLights, it is not a Nokia development but rather Nokia's web site for developers. Feel the difference.10:22
cityLightsright10:23
RST38hMoo, ab10:23
abRST38h, beeh10:23
cityLightsI got a relevent question10:23
cityLightsever since the power kernel update10:23
RST38hWhoever broke into that SQL DB is sending out emails with exactly the same text from Nokia's site and an offer to click on a link that will do bad things to your computer.10:24
cityLightswhich didnt work ok, with me, and I had to flash10:24
cityLightsbut now I cant use mobilehotspot10:24
cityLightsa modules is missing10:24
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cityLightsnf_counterback10:25
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cityLightswhich package owns it?10:25
radiofreeI just received that e-mail10:26
radiofreewho would click a link wl4.peer360..../loadofcrap anyway?10:26
RST38hSome idiot always will.10:27
cityLightshow to ask all packages dependednt of mobilehostspot?10:27
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Sicelou probably haven't enabled all the repos u had before10:29
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cityLightsapt-cache show mobile hotspot10:31
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edheldilapt-cache rdepends mobilehostspot?10:40
edheldildunno if it works on maemo10:40
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Siceloit works, but seems apt-cache depends gives the info10:45
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robbiethe1stWell, I have to say, streaming mp3 files over SSH/SCP to my laptop seems to work, though *occasionally* it skips.13:17
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x29aanybody successfully working with qt mobility 1.2 on the n900?15:27
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x29awhich scratchbox should i go with? is version2 fine for fremantle/n900?15:50
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x29aah geez, why is there no clear instruction15:52
DocScrutinizerimportant notice from Nokia to all users of developer.nokia.com -> http://wl4.peer360.com/b/56X1kFsJFLMffLIHk63Y/main.asp?hl=110921339&r=CBCEBBJ15:52
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DocScrutinizerradiofree: iirc Nokia used peer360 for his developer newsletter for several years. The page linked by the URL looks clean15:57
radiofreeDocScrutinizer: hah, alright :)15:57
DocScrutinizerradiofree: of course I suggest to be as careful when visiting that page as you should be with any other unknown webpage you visit15:59
chem|st360 is all that research stuff too afair16:00
SpeedEvilIndeed.16:01
SpeedEvilI'm _really_ surprised the n900 user experience survey is still ongoing.16:01
DocScrutinizer>>© Nokia 2011 • A Product of Horizon Marketing Group • Powered by Peer360°<<16:01
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radiofreethe url looks pretty shady to me16:02
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radiofreethere's no way I'd ever click that in an e-mail16:03
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x29ahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation seems to use scratchbox1, http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html seems to be based on scratchbox2, which is the way to go? im so confused :(16:04
x29ahost is ubuntu lucid (10.4)16:05
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RST38hEx-Board Member Says HP Is Committing 'Corporate Suicide'16:09
DocScrutinizerI think the scratchbox comes with the SDK install, no?16:09
RST38hWhat is it with corporations committing suicide nowadays?16:09
DocScrutinizerRST38h: spreading desease16:10
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SpeedEvilApple has an incentive program.16:10
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StskeepsRST38h: the hippies of the 1969 generation coming out of their disguises as businessmen to bring down the world of business16:10
SpeedEvilTake down your company, and we pay you $100m under the table.16:10
DocScrutinizerduh, wasn't that the M$-way?16:10
RST38hStskeeps: I can almost believe it16:10
RST38hThe apparent new focus on going head-to-head with SAP (Apotheker's former employer) and Oracle (Hurd's new employer) in enterprise software while ignoring the company's traditional strengths, said a software exec, is 'as if Alan Mulally left Boeing to join Ford as CEO, and announced six months later that Ford would be making airplanes.'16:10
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DocScrutinizeryou know why $random-ethnic-group hasn't achieved to have a man in orbit yet? Because Ford doesn't build rockets16:13
DocScrutinizer(old silly joke)16:13
RST38htoo deep, the meaning has been lost in time, I guess...16:14
DocScrutinizeronly funny when random-ethnic-group is notorious to prefer Ford for their holiday trips. Replace Ford by any car brand that applies to your local situation16:15
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DocScrutinizerof course this joke quite usually also isn't PC16:17
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x29adocscrutinizer: yes, but there seem to be multiple "final sdk" versions. one based on sb1 the other on sb2, then there is a garage repo for one, there are different instructions, im just not sure which is the newest/most stable. unfortunately, i find this to be a big problem of the maemo dev pages. too many places for information which is almost always outdated16:17
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DocScrutinizer:nod:16:18
DocScrutinizersoory I can't help, no idea about it here either16:18
DocScrutinizerat least from mediawiki's history you could tell what date the original page as well as possible edits are16:19
x29aok thanks for listening though. i guess ill just try all of em, one by one16:20
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x29ajust seems weird, that nobody is using them or has used them for development16:21
DocScrutinizerlol - start with the higher numbers, I.E. sb2 I'd suggest ;-D16:21
x29ayep16:22
RST38hAnyone up to connecting this guy to Maemo/Meego: http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/29/e-funs-apen-a3-stylus-brings-digitized-scribbles-to-android-bl/ ?16:22
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RST38hDoc: But, shit, I have no idea what random-ethnic-group preferred Fords16:39
RST38hDoc: The British? =)16:39
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DocScrutinizerhere in Germany it's been the Turkish16:51
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DocScrutinizerthat supposedly did16:51
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GeneralAntillesHow depressing. http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/29/touchpad-port-of-cm7-in-the-works-can-barely-be-called-an-alpha/18:49
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dm8tbrno one porting meego yet?18:59
Stskeepssnapdragon :/19:00
Stskeeps(AFAIK)19:00
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RST38hHELO PUNKS19:14
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kerioRST38h: hostname PUNKS unknown19:44
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slonopotamuspunks not dead but smell as if they were19:48
slonopotamuserr, "it just smells thay way" originally19:49
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RST38hMeanwhile:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/29/amsung_thinking_of_webos_acquisition/20:05
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newbie007hi, I'm trying to build hildon desktop following directions @http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/Building whick links to https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/jhbuild_modules <-- this does not exist. What is the up-to-date way to install hildon desktop ?22:17
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