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| khuong | Can anyone help me with the autobuilder problem? | 00:08 |
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| khuong | Can anyone help me with the autobuilder problem? | 00:12 |
| khuong | please | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could somebody create a forward from http://forums.internettablettalk.com to http://talk.maemo.org please, rather than still supporting the old obsolete URL | 00:38 |
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| jacekowski | forwards mess with pagerank | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | for obscure reasons often the Itt hits are higher in ranking than the equiv tmo hits, on google. Which is annoying as you won't get auto-login on the Itt URL when you click on it | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I'd guess nobody needs the Itt URL really meanwhile | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like a zombie sneaking in all the time | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd set up a global s/forums.internettablettalk.com(talk.maemo.org/ on my browser, if only it would support this | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/(/\// | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/(/|/ | 00:44 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: s/|/\// | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: expected this | 00:44 |
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| Atarii | DocScrutinizer you could put a redirect in your hosts file ;p | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, do you think that would help to avoid the wron | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrong URL to show up in addr field of browser? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Atarii: I don't even see how to set up a redirect there. Possibly ignorance | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> host talk.maemo.org | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | talk.maemo.org is an alias for forums.internettablettalk.com. | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | forums.internettablettalk.com has address 74.86.202.247 | 00:50 |
| Atarii | don't they have different IPs? | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not :-P | 00:50 |
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| Atarii | ah maemo.org does, not the talk subdomain | 00:51 |
| Atarii | my ad | 00:51 |
| Atarii | bad* | 00:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | redirect... | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 00:51 |
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| FIQ|n900 | can't you just use some htaccess magic or whatever you use as webserver | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | *I*? use nothing as webserver | 00:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | uh | 00:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok, tmo | 00:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | s/you/tmo/ | 00:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | happy? | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using a browser that doesn't have cookies and stored passwords for ITT URL | 00:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | ohh | 00:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | i didn't get what you wanted | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'm back to the useless orange default theme and not logged in when I click on a Itt URL | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are URLs that forward to another URL | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think that'd be the right behaviour for Itt | 00:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like http://ct.de redirects to http://www.heise.de/ct/ | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NFC how that works (guess with some "597 moved permanently" HTTP reply), but obviously it can be done and works flawlessly | 00:59 |
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| fizzie | s/597/301/, but other than that even the official response name matched exactly. | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fizzie: so it's up to the browser to keep the "parameters" (like "/showthread.php?p=1022444#post1022444") and just call the new URL with the same parameters? Then it's be pretty simple to configure that 301 response for http://forums.internettablettalk.com | 01:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | Hm, any swedes here? | 01:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | i've a quick question that can be skipped (but would prefer not) | 01:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | I'll take that as a "no" | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I think building a proper new URL for the 301 destination from the "parameters" of the current request also is just simple enough | 01:17 |
| NIN101 | most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ works on rescue OS, unlike charge.sh which causes interrupt errors after some time :-). | 01:18 |
| fizzie | DocScrutinizer: It's up to the browser to keep the anchor (#foo) part, but I think the server's supposed to repeat the query string (?foo) part. Anyway, Apache's mod_redirect (and certainly mod_rewrite) can both redirect a path like /foo, so that /foo/anything goes to schema://newurl/bar/anything. | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fizzie: thought as much. For Itt vs tmo it's as simple as it gets, just the domain changes, the rest stays as is | 01:20 |
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| fizzie | For a POST request generally the data isn't sent to the new address, but that's usually not a problem, except transiently for someone who opens a form-containing page with the old address before the redirection, and then submits it after the redirection has been enabled. | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | fizzie: btw thanks for a hint why sometimes anchors fail to work here | 01:22 |
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| NIN101 | Hmm, we could create an initrd which directly starts charging and does nothing more. This would help people who's battery drained and are in a reboot loop or something. | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp on mxr.maemo.orh I never get the right line | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: excellent plan! :-D | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: btw what are those interrupt errors? | 01:25 |
| NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TSAMg7p5 | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DUH! | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | I can't mount my PC's rootfs | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | mount goes on indefinately | 01:27 |
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| MohammadAG | ps x shows D on the process mount | 01:28 |
| javispedro | potential hard disk failrue | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | Windows works javispedro | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | same HDD | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | and something in my bootup segfaults | 01:29 |
| javispedro | run fsck then | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | no fsck | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG | I was dropped into an initramfs shell | 01:30 |
| iluminator101 | is there an app with alarm that reminds you stuff that is due? | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | live CD also fails to boot | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: look at http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TSAMg7p5 :-o | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | caused by charge.sh on meego | 01:30 |
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| MohammadAG | calendar? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: calendar, or better alarmed | 01:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | <NIN101> most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ works on rescue OS, unlike charge.sh which causes interrupt errors after some time :-). | 01:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | Yeah, but i didn't needed it that much | 01:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | so i stopped waiting | 01:32 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: on meego means with meego CE N900 kernel? | 01:33 |
| NIN101 | yes | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask NIN101 but yes | 01:33 |
| javispedro | heh | 01:34 |
| javispedro | I was recently trying to understand that piece of code | 01:34 |
| javispedro | I mean, the timer wheel algorithm | 01:34 |
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| javispedro | http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.35.9/kernel/timer.c#L1012 | 01:35 |
| javispedro | this is Stskeeps domain afaik, why is CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE not set? | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lost me | 01:43 |
| javispedro | the double fault is because a BUG() on arm causes a fault | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway that's for sure a bug in meego kernel, no? | 01:44 |
| javispedro | and the original BUG() seems to be because there's a corrupted timer in the per-cpu timer list | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see why charge.sh would trigger these kernel panics, while meego-charge.tar doesn | 01:45 |
| javispedro | so, nfi: it could be from bad hw to sw bug. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | t | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually meego-charge is using bq27200 sysnodes while charge.sh doesn't afaik | 01:46 |
| javispedro | I do not know any of either | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | other than that both scripts aren't that much different | 01:47 |
| NIN101 | charge.sh didn't work while bq module was loaded | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohwell | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which bq module? bq27200? | 01:48 |
| javispedro | i'd check bq27200 timer usage | 01:48 |
| NIN101 | bq27x00_battery.ko... | 01:48 |
| javispedro | maybe it does it while the wrong lock held or similar... | 01:48 |
| javispedro | s/while/with | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, charge.sh also uses bq27200, though via direct i2cget. It wouldn't need to do that anyway, but when it does this obviously will conflict with bq27200.ko | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | same issue as with bme and supposed new jrbme | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and with bme and bq27200.ko in maemo | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously they did some REALLY NASTY hack on meego kernel to allow bme to access bq27200 via direct i2cbus access (just like charge.sh does) | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw a good example why bq27200 driver hack is BAD | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | exactly this class of bug I expected when I learnt some funny guy decided to kick out the locking for I2C access | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, pali removed this abomination of a kernel driver/patch from PK48 | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what you get when you patch the kernel to match requirements introduced by a borked POS blob like bme | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason why I stopped on jrbme | 02:01 |
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| Psi | has anyone noticed the FMboot kills the IR until you reboot? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | FMboot? | 02:02 |
| Psi | im not 100% sure yet, but twice IR has stopped after using fmboost | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Seems unlikely. | 02:03 |
| Psi | yeah, its an app that boosts the FM tx power | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah boost | 02:03 |
| Psi | yeah, sorry | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unlikely but I also noticed *some* issues with IR LED. Dunno if they night be related to FMboost though | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/night/might/ | 02:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: unlikely but I also noticed *some* issues with IR LED. Dunno if they might be related to FMboost though | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IRreco stopped working for me lately | 02:04 |
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| Psi | yeah | 02:04 |
| Psi | its a bit unstable | 02:04 |
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| resident`evil | hey all | 06:15 |
| resident`evil | sorry for the out of topic question but its a very simple for many who are here | 06:15 |
| resident`evil | i'm using this command to find text in files | 06:15 |
| resident`evil | find . | xargs grep 'text' | 06:16 |
| resident`evil | find . | xargs grep 'text' -sl | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://twitter.com/#!/fakeselop/status/106914835060637696 | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish I knew who's behind that account. | 06:16 |
| resident`evil | but its returning me matches which are not exactly this text | 06:16 |
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| resident`evil | i want the exact match | 06:16 |
| resident`evil | so anyone? | 06:16 |
| resident`evil | can any linux guy help please?? | 06:23 |
| resident`evil | is everyone sleeping? | 06:23 |
| MohammadAG | resident`evil, grep -r text files | 06:28 |
| MohammadAG | grep -r text /* | 06:29 |
| resident`evil | ok so it has to be without the quotes | 06:29 |
| MohammadAG | the quotes just help so you don't have to escape special charcters like spaces | 06:30 |
| resident`evil | alright | 06:30 |
| MohammadAG | grep -r two\ words or grep -r "two words" | 06:30 |
| MohammadAG | headed to bed, night :) | 06:32 |
| resident`evil | night \o | 06:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ping | 09:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, please disregard the ping, I've found an alternative solution. Thanks anyway :) | 10:07 |
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| ohookins | X-Fade: ping | 11:04 |
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| mrtank | aloaheee.. | 12:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | ..eeehaola | 12:31 |
| mrtank | echo? | 12:32 |
| psycho_oreos | ?ohce | 12:33 |
| psycho_oreos | hehe | 12:33 |
| mrtank | :) | 12:33 |
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| * psycho_oreos is making final changes to indicating the locations of antennas on N900, first time using Gimp with more tools (and not with N900 of course). About to post photos up and link them onto wiki page. | 12:35 | |
| psycho_oreos | what about you? | 12:35 |
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| mrtank | antennatuning on n900? yeah.. :) | 12:37 |
| mrtank | im not alone.. | 12:38 |
| psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58063&page=3 | 12:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | albeit I have not done any physical modifications. I'm just laying the foundations of the necessary theories :) | 12:39 |
| mrtank | i have done :) http://www.mobile-nova.com/forum/108-diskussionen-a-fragen/12038-wlan-am-n900-zu-schwach.html#12038 | 12:40 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I don't understand much German but it seems like you've taken a different route. Quite interesting however | 12:42 |
| mrtank | i have the same problem with english :) next time i will try a antenna-plug for external anennas.. | 12:44 |
| psycho_oreos | it'll be difficult for using the test connectors onboard the PCB, also bluetooth shares the same antenna with wireless LAN :/ | 12:46 |
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| mrtank | yeah thats right.. but bluetooth runs at the same frequencq like wlan... with a good antenna you can have fum with bluesnarf :) | 12:49 |
| psycho_oreos | or do wireless LAN pentesting :) but not only that, there's also test connectors for GPS and GSM/Cellular. Test pad is available for FM transmitter | 12:50 |
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| mrtank | gps is interreting to.. but i use a external gpsmouse over bluetooth... for a better fmtransmitter i will kill :) | 12:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh not really, apart from a weird idea of replacing the internal antenna to external one (and thus making your genuine N900 look almost like a fake N900) :D | 12:54 |
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| psycho_oreos | I still use internal GPS with mobile broadband connectivity to quickly acquire location. Albeit the internal GPS can act a little weird at times but I guess there's not much one can do, maybe external antenna for that GPS module may make it less twitchy ;) | 12:56 |
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| mrtank | n900 with external gps fmtransmitter wlan and bluetooth antenna... the ultimate nerdphone :) | 12:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | not quite, N900 with external antenna connectivity everywhere + 3000mAH + custom back cover = the ultimate nerdphone :D | 13:00 |
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| mrtank | yeah... and solarcollectos... and coffewarmer over h-e-n usbplug | 13:01 |
| psycho_oreos | nah, dual micro USB connectors :D one OTG (which is using H-E-N) and the other mainly used for charging the device ^^ | 13:02 |
| psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#External_antennas <--- done updating ^^ | 13:03 |
| psycho_oreos | http://image.dhgate.com/upload/20108/87/ff808081278eddac0127a01776741f6d/productimg1282791415230.jpg <--- antenna used instead on FM Transmitter for the real N900 = evil *g* | 13:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | mrtank, you're not Helmuth on the tmo are you? *g* | 13:08 |
| mrtank | pew... thats kewl... :) | 13:09 |
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| mrtank | no im not helmuth :) | 13:09 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't like where the antenna is sitting however, but the idea of that on a real N900 with other things = pure evil *Eg* | 13:09 |
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| khertan | Morning | 13:09 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh, you should contribute in that thread, btw nice findings. I never knew BT/WLAN would have their antenna there ^^ | 13:10 |
| psycho_oreos | morning | 13:10 |
| mrtank | link? | 13:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58063&page=3 <--- :)) | 13:11 |
| psycho_oreos | I should probably bump it up, gonna announce that I've finished updating the info on external antennas | 13:12 |
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| mrtank | external rocks :) so i have to go... see ya later.. | 13:13 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe I'll add yer link in on my next post? lol | 13:13 |
| mrtank | lol yeah... bye :) | 13:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | bah | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kids, don't mess with antennae. It's not as easy as you might think. For the http://www.mobile-nova.com/forum/108-diskussionen-a-fragen/12038-wlan-am-n900-zu-schwach.html#12038 mod I honestly doubt the efficiency and also had a couple of concerns, starting at covering a gold contact pad with "dirty" lead-tin(oxide)-flux blob, and not ending at connecting two antennae to a tuned line that's not meant to support load of two antennae | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 13:31 |
| psycho_oreos | I can't really understand German fully but according to his thread, I think he did post some results of improved performance | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know how antenna design is done in commercial context? it's a job whole RF-houses spend weeks on comparing and tuning different designs to the actual particular device. You adding random contraptions and improving things on first shot... guess how likely that is ;-D | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: this is really random bogus results | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: and anybody not understanding *why* it's bogus shouldn't even think of messing with RF. RF is the most complicated domain in analog electronics, and antenna design somewhat is the master discipline of RF | 13:33 |
| psycho_oreos | *shrugs* sure I don't doubt Nokia's design is impeccable but at the same time they aren't trying to break any international laws on how to outdo radio stuff :) | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, valid point | 13:34 |
| ohookins | the cantenna is an obvious example of backyard engineering that does actually work well | 13:34 |
| ohookins | but those examples are few and far between | 13:35 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. N900 in a can? ;) but otherwise I somewhat welcome alternative means of improving the original specifications even if it means to break international laws. | 13:35 |
| ohookins | i've seen the kind of equipment that they use in the RF labs and it's some of the most costly not to mention huge sets of equipment in the catalog | 13:35 |
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| ohookins | €15 soldering iron and some wire vs €50000 testing rig | 13:35 |
| ohookins | which is the base module, not counting addons | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | show 3D sensitivity diagrams done in a RF non-reflective chamber with proper (Rhode+Schwarz) equipment, and I'm willing to discuss it :-D | 13:36 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, you provide the equipment in a location where any one of us can easily access and we'll do it ;) | 13:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cantenna, oooh. Sure that's simple and obviously effective. Even better: place N900 in place of the LNB of a sat dish | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | or a wok... | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | s/or/or in/ | 13:37 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: or in a wok... | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | http://imgur.com/grDkQ.jpg <-- more like a pan but.... fugly! | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are things that are simple and obvious, and kinda self evident, even in RF design. Others are mere handwaving, even with the professionals. For example it's still next to impossible to completely design an antenna with any specialized SW tool aka CAD. The equations are too complex sometimes, you can not solve them "on paper", you have to build models/prototypes and do *decent* tests on them | 13:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | the problem is, none of us have those sorts of things where we can easily access :) plus with Nokia no longer producing N900 and we're only using our own devices. I can't see why we shouldn't try and make N900 more usable in our own ways | 13:42 |
| psycho_oreos | worst comes to worst if we brick/destroy/damage the device we can only blame ourselves for being too curious ^^ | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the WLAN antenna "hack" mentioend above by mrtank: it obviously isn't possible to signifacantly improve *all* aspects of antenna performance by simply adding a second wire and place it in random shape < 2mm close to the original antenna. What you might achieve by this is changing the directional sensitivity of the whole contraption, so sensitivity in one direction is maybe factor 2 better, while allother directions massively suffer. Now | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you incidently do your before|after tests with device in an optimal orientation you actually may see an improvement caused by your soldered-on antenna wire. Though: rotate the device by 90° and find reception drop to useless levels. See my point? | 13:46 |
| psycho_oreos | in other words, making a directional antenna more directional? :) | 13:48 |
| ohookins | the problem is that there is no quantitative or even qualitative way to say it is an overall improvement | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: by definition N900 WLAN/BT antenna shouldn't be too directional | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohookins: exactly | 13:49 |
| ohookins | at best you are suggesting destructively modifying the device without any assurance of gains in all environments | 13:49 |
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| ohookins | if there is no assurance of benefit, there is no reason to make the changes | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I've dealt with this sort of users' subjective quality ratings for > 9 months when I tackled Openmoko Frerunner's buzz issue. I learnt about amount of credibility of such ratings | 13:50 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, true but no-one can easily prove that apart from Nokia whom has done all the relevant tests :) | 13:51 |
| psycho_oreos | ohookins, that's like saying one should never hardware hack their own device regardless of what the device maybe :p | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are some more engineers that could do tests. But admittedly those opportunities and equipment needed are rare and expensive | 13:52 |
| ohookins | psycho_oreos: absolutely not, but it is exactly like saying you would not perform a hack unless you knew there was a good chance of it actually working | 13:52 |
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| ohookins | as it is, since there is no way to verify the results are repeatable there is not a good justification to make the changes | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | ohookins, there's no way to tell that without modification first :) | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I agree with both of you | 13:53 |
| ohookins | arguably there isn't a great way to tell even after modification | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | and hardware modifications can also be irreversable once a mistake is made or once you change your mind | 13:53 |
| ohookins | as DocScrutinizer correctly mentioned, RF is very hard | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I disagree with mrtank's fuzzy claim of an improvement from 60% to 80%, while he not even used an A/B test (maybe even with another non-N900 device) to rule out better weather/opened vs closed doors/ neighbour shutting down his AP during thtest that yielded 80% / etc pp | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: for the "irreversible" I pont to my original concern about slder not being an adequate material for contact pad surfaces | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: for the "irreversible" I point to my original concern about solder not being an adequate material for contact pad surfaces | 13:57 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I mean the problem is that most of us N900 owners are also tinkerers generally at heart :) eager tinkerers and sometimes more bold into doing things out of the ordinary just for the sake of it. However to go around and getting results proven just for the sake of argument is really taking it to the extreme. Sure, we're backyard operators if anything compared to the likes of big manufacturers. Whatever we do may turn things in both ways unlike | 13:57 |
| psycho_oreos | what the manufacturer does, but what I don't like is the fact that we should sit with our hands underneath our legs on a seat! | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the less for UHF RF pads | 13:57 |
| psycho_oreos | I'll agree for sure RF is really hard, I'm nowhere near the level of understanding he has, nevertheless I'd experiment and see how far I'd go | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, true but again, we're backyard operators in general if anything :) | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: I never suggested you "sit with our hands underneath our legs" | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just suggest asking me for an occasional advice | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my advice would be: never solder to a gold plated contact pad! There are for sure better ways that *are* reversible | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I know you didn't suggest that :) I just get a little defensive when small yields (with potential huge losses and devastating long term effects which could either go either ways) shouldn't be frowned upon | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | *shrugs* he probably was under budget constraint as well hence he used cheap methods | 14:01 |
| chem|st | the gold pad will get loose if soldered incorrectly (most by-hand) | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | s/cheap/cheaper/ | 14:01 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: *shrugs* he probably was under budget constraint as well hence he used cheaper methods | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g use a tiny "sheet" of silver (Ag) foil, cut to shape so it goes nicely between the original contact pad and the pogopin spring loaded contact, and solder the wire to a corner of this patch | 14:01 |
| chem|st | it is not a "must" become loose | 14:01 |
| zutesmog | any chance anyone can shed some light on an issue I am having with my N900. (Tried searching but haven;t found anything close). After about a day the desktop won't launch any apps. I can from the main apps menu, but nothing on any desktop will launch. I can still customise the desktop though. A restart solves it. | 14:02 |
| chem|st | but 4 out of 5 or something is ususal, and if not while attaching then surely when removing it... | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | zutesmog, check CPU usage, I'm guessing its hildon-{home,desktop} freeze | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | zutesmog: python-desktop-launcher | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | or how it is called... bad thing | 14:03 |
| zutesmog | cpu is practically idle. | 14:03 |
| zutesmog | everything runs nice and fast, just widgets on the desktop don't seem to get focus/or the event when you tap. | 14:04 |
| zutesmog | python-desktop-launcher? | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | zutesmog: probably one of your desktop widgets causes this failure | 14:05 |
| chem|st | something like that (cannot remember how it is spelled | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: moo :-) | 14:06 |
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| chem|st | python desktop widgets is the best invention for maemo NOT | 14:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: moo! | 14:06 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, maybe I guess mrtank was a novice at soldering and general knowledge of RF :) | 14:06 |
| zutesmog | not running any widgets other than foreca, cpu speed control | 14:06 |
| chem|st | then it might be cpu speed control... lmc | 14:07 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, interesting info, though I won't understand it fully until I try it myself (obviously not on N900 :)) | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: that's what I meant. It's a bit silly to mess with things you have no experience and/or knowledge about. So if you plan to go into that adventure it's wise to get advice, and surely you should refrain from selling your assumed achievements in a way others like you are temped to reproduce (and run into same issues you did and only haven't noticed yet) | 14:08 |
| zutesmog | actually I don't know what the widgets actuall called (not speed control) it's one for power kernel for setting cpu freq. | 14:08 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: which part? | 14:08 |
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| chem|st | kernel power can have anything locking up your device, is there any special reason apart of killing your CPU with OC? | 14:09 |
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| zutesmog | not overclocking at the moment. | 14:10 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh! I thought you were frowning on the idea of backyard operators and basic diy. My bad. I guess if shit hits the fan with the original modder, he'll have a whole bunch of other people chasing after him just like those overclocking N900 threads :)) | 14:10 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, the information on hand soldering stuff onto gold pads | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 14:10 |
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| zutesmog | when I removed the cpufreq widget hildon-home stopped responidng. | 14:10 |
| zutesmog | s/responidng/responding/ | 14:10 |
| infobot | zutesmog meant: when I removed the cpufreq widget hildon-home stopped responding. | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: and no, I'm all for DIY and garage projects | 14:11 |
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| sivang | hi all | 14:12 |
| sivang | how can I find out my gsm number? | 14:12 |
| sivang | I forgot the key combo and could not find this on the wiki anymore... | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: hi, you developer of the month | 14:12 |
| * sivang notes his google foo is bad. | 14:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:12 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, didn't seem like you were when you sounded critical of it but I guess I mistook that for when you have a better idea in mind instead of what the modded actually did | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: there's basically no standardized way to find out about your own GSM phone number | 14:13 |
| zutesmog | yeah, it looks like maxCPU widget is the culprit, finally found it's name ;-) | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a GSM AT command to read out a special storage in SIM that may or may not contain your phone number | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: was that what you were looking for? | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | zutesmog: \o/ | 14:15 |
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| chem|st | psycho_oreos: yeah doing 4D measurements on sliding switches, the gold pads come off if you look at it in a strange way already | 14:16 |
| BiggAl | hey guys | 14:16 |
| chem|st | hey BiggAl | 14:16 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, 4D? what?? | 14:17 |
| chem|st | 4th D is resistance | 14:17 |
| chem|st | in this case | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: ?? | 14:17 |
| chem|st | sivang: ring another phone? | 14:17 |
| psycho_oreos | oh | 14:17 |
| psycho_oreos | BiggAl, hi | 14:18 |
| chem|st | or look in personal details stuff... | 14:18 |
| chem|st | or your last bill?! | 14:18 |
| psycho_oreos | call yer mates (friends) and ask them what is yer number ;) | 14:18 |
| BiggAl | got a quick query - the widget for feeding it has disappeared from my n900 desktop but doesn't appear in the list to add. I've tried reinstalling etc, is there any way to manually edit the stylesheet or whatever it uses to arrange the icon on the home screen? | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: anyway here you are: use pnatd, enter either >> AT+CNUM [cr] << or >> AT+CPBS="ON" [cr] AT+CPBR=1 [cr] << | 14:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | chem|st, in regards to that python-desktop thing, I wonder if it could be this: hildon-desktop-python-loader | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | on some SIM cards either of those command sequences may return your phone number, on some SIMs none of both may work | 14:20 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: yes that it is | 14:20 |
| chem|st | me thinks | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, did a search via cli, it was one of the two possible names I guess | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<chem|st> sivang: ring another phone?) indeed, so obvious I didn't dare to even ask why you don't use this method | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway seems sivang is afk or sth | 14:22 |
| BiggAl | i MEAN IT HAS TO BE DEFINED SOMEWHERE RIGHT? | 14:23 |
| BiggAl | woops - caps | 14:23 |
| chem|st | BiggAl: feeding what? | 14:23 |
| psycho_oreos | the widget for feeding it? feeding which? | 14:23 |
| BiggAl | sorry - feedingit | 14:23 |
| BiggAl | it's an RSS feed reader | 14:24 |
| psycho_oreos | ah never tried that | 14:24 |
| chem|st | no idea | 14:24 |
| BiggAl | it's a lot better then the PoS that comes with maemo5 ;) | 14:24 |
| chem|st | got my rss feeding an irc channel... | 14:24 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, interesting AT commands, needless to say is that you need to be root for these things to work? | 14:25 |
| BiggAl | what I'm asking isn't really specific to feedingit anyway - I just want to know how I could tweak my home screen with vim or something | 14:25 |
| chem|st | you don't | 14:26 |
| psycho_oreos | I think you use gconf for some parts of home screen | 14:26 |
| BiggAl | ok I'lll have a look at gconf | 14:27 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for noting my champion of the month :) and yes, Doc, exactly what I wanted although calling me maties and ask mer number could be easier :) | 14:27 |
| sivang | thanks all for the responses, been afk for some good minutes hence did not respond , sorry for that. | 14:28 |
| * sivang fires the terminal | 14:28 | |
| sivang | chem|st: I have a blauworld sim, and I lost the document telling me the password for the account, you must put inside your number to log in, even though I created an account with my id 'sivang' | 14:28 |
| sivang | chem|st: and they don't send me bills, I'm not in germany anymore :) | 14:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, hmm crap I can't get out of that pnatd session | 14:30 |
| chem|st | sivang: are you stupid or trying to pretend? | 14:30 |
| sivang | chem|st: I hope I'm not stupid, they don't allow you login based on the user account you created. | 14:30 |
| chem|st | contacts -> menu -> my info.... | 14:31 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: He called me stupid, mahh :) | 14:31 |
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| chem|st | sivang: there is your SIMs phone number | 14:31 |
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| sivang | chem|st: yes, but I want to create a script for that as well, so doc's approach would work in that case. | 14:31 |
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| sivang | chem|st: thanks, I overlooked your comment before (I tend to do that when I'm doing 10k things in the same time :)) | 14:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you played with pnatd? | 14:32 |
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| chem|st | sivang: what are you trying to achive? | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | seems like DocScrutinizer has gone afk | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: I did a little | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 14:33 |
| sivang | chem|st: first, find my german phone number, then create a script that would allow me to find this out from remote. | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, ! nice, do you happen to know how to exit the session? | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ah so you ignored my queries lol | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: kill pnatd | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: other than that, no | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, pnatd doesn't ever terminate unless stdin gets closed afaik | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Or that | 14:33 |
| sivang | chem|st: and seriously, I am not stupid, take that back! :) | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | I was thinking of killing it with another session but thought that could cause something else to screw up. Thanks | 14:34 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: Well, couldn't you close its sdin? if you input it with a file using redirection? | 14:34 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: that is, let it end "naturally" | 14:34 |
| chem|st | ;) | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: that should work | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | s/another session/another SSH session/ | 14:35 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: I was thinking of killing it with another SSH session but thought that could cause something else to screw up. Thanks | 14:35 |
| sivang | chem|st: owe you a beer if we meet at an event, DocScrutinizer as well (thansk for help for apparently stupid dude who's smart) | 14:35 |
| chem|st | sivang: where do you live now? | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sivang: depending on what's your real usecase for "scriot to find out from remote", initiating a call might be the simpler and more reliable alternative. If you got *#-ena installed you can even call "#31#<phonenumber>" to temporarily enable caller number signalling independently of your general settings | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/scriot/script/. | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's a dbus call for setting up a call, as well as pnatd can use the age old "ATD<number>" | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | disadvantage: both methods pop up the dialer (though you *might* be abler to kill/stop rtcom-call-ui process or whatever it's called) | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | killall -sigstop rtcom-call-ui; echo ATD47110071984 | pnatd; sleep 2; echo ATH | pnatd; killall -sigcont rtcom-call-ui ;; # might work | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, actually it doesn't work, pnatd seems to not accept piped stdin | 14:52 |
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| sivang | chem|st: Israel | 14:52 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh, I see. so better use the #-ena approach | 14:52 |
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| sivang | chem|st: I was just visiting Germany and local friends there, so needed a sim, but it seems it is quite cheap for long distance calls from here as well. | 14:53 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 14:53 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I now have more than a few sims in a couple of phones, I want to be able to retrieve the numbers if I change sim's etc, in an automated manner. | 14:54 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: and they are very long numbers since I got some local sims from the US , germany etc.. | 14:55 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: so hard to remember even when you look at them when you want to recharge and have to use the number to login :) | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, here pnatd AT+CNUM works | 14:57 |
| psycho_oreos | I got OK instead of an actual number | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | at+cnum | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | +CNUM: ,"+491796099¿¿¿",145 | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | +CNUM: ,"0000000",129 | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | OK | 14:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | AT+CNUM | 15:00 |
| psycho_oreos | OK | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I friggin get mad if I don't find a way to pipe commands to pnatd :-S | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you also tried the other sequence? | 15:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | dockane_1, yeah it keeps saying OK and then <cr> | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | (though I don't believe in it yielding better results) | 15:01 |
| psycho_oreos | bah! tab fails on me | 15:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'm trying the alternative command with my other N900 which is with a different provider | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, phone number *may* be simply *stored* on SIM. You can chage it any time though in SIM storage, and it may not be there by default | 15:02 |
| psycho_oreos | s/I'm trying/I'm going to try/ | 15:02 |
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| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: I'm going to try the alternative command with my other N900 which is with a different provider | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically simply storage location #1 aiui | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe there were actually 4 special storage locations for card's phone numbers, but not always available or working or populated | 15:04 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: :) | 15:06 |
| psycho_oreos | crap I mean to say ERROR for the alternative commands, bah lacking energy | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly best thing to do is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call and call "#31#<a phone which displays the number of caller>" | 15:06 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I see. | 15:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | well yeah both of my SIM cards are no dice here, 1) Crazy John (routes through vodaphone hutchinson australia), 2) virgin mobile (prepaid, routes through optus) | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it was *31#, this is exactly inverted meaning on landline vs GSM | 15:07 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: hmm, the callee phone shows "Private number" | 15:08 |
| sivang | odd | 15:08 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I am going for chem|st 's approach for now | 15:08 |
| psycho_oreos | #31# hides your number when you call | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think on GSM *31# is enabling number display, while on landline *31# is enabling *suppression* of display | 15:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | that's the effect #31# here | 15:08 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: okay, let me retry | 15:08 |
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| Jartza | What's now in common with Nokia and Apple? No More Jobs. | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha | 15:11 |
| cehteh | :) | 15:11 |
| RST38h | unbelieavably funny | 15:11 |
| _berto_ | lol | 15:11 |
| psycho_oreos | heh kill two birds with one stone | 15:12 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: you are a wizard. *31#+972... and number made it | 15:12 |
| sivang | I have the number now | 15:12 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: thank you. | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I should've bought me a nice steak at the butcher 3h ago. Just place it out in the sun, would be exactly rare medium right now | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:13 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: funny that * / # works on my N900, but the representative from BlauWord could not make ti work to recharge it in the shop, she got so angry :) | 15:13 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: LOL | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | would be well done if you lived here | 15:13 |
| sivang | hey there MohammadAG | 15:13 |
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| MohammadAG | heya | 15:13 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: in like 30 minutes | 15:13 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: ;) | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi MohammadAG | 15:14 |
| sivang | me and MohammadAG are having one of the hottest summers this place I think has ever known | 15:14 |
| sivang | was not so nice to come back from Berlin to this heat... | 15:14 |
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| sivang | (me was at Desktop Summit) | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | hi DocScrutinizer | 15:14 |
| ohookins | sivang: dude, berlin is boiling today | 15:14 |
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| sivang | ohookins: how high? | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | define boiling :p | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 15:14 |
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| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.08.26 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 62 F (17 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.74 in. Hg (1007 hPa); Relative Humidity: 40%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSE (150 degrees) at 13 MPH (11 KT) | 15:14 |
| sivang | ohookins: let have it, it is cloe to 40C here now | 15:14 |
| ohookins | 100⁶C ;) | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | to the power 6? | 15:15 |
| sivang | 32C | 15:15 |
| sivang | ah, piece of cake. | 15:15 |
| ohookins | oh, wtf | 15:15 |
| sivang | ~weather Tel Aviv | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 15:15 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "TEL AVIV" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:15 |
| sivang | err | 15:15 |
| ohookins | too small for my pathetic eyesight | 15:15 |
| sivang | ~weather Haifa | 15:15 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "HAIFA" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:15 |
| sivang | hmm, no go :) | 15:15 |
| ohookins | forecast was for 32, feels hotter than that | 15:15 |
| * sivang googles | 15:15 | |
| MohammadAG | sivang, tlv | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | ~weather TLV | 15:16 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "TLV" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:16 |
| sivang | ~weather tlv | 15:16 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "TLV" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, screw you | 15:16 |
| * infobot asks you to bend over | 15:16 | |
| RST38h | .IL weather stations have been removed as an antiterrorist measure | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki icao | 15:17 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icao (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox United Nations | name = International Civil Aviation Organization | image = Flag of ICAO.svg | image size = 150px | caption = The ICAO flag | type = UN agency | acronyms = ICAOOACIИКАОإيكاو | head = Raymond Benjamin | status = active | established = April 1947 | website = {{URL|www.icao.int}} | headquarters = Montreal, Canada | parent = | subsidiaries = | footnotes = }} ... | 15:17 |
| sivang | RST38h: are you serious? holy mom of god | 15:18 |
| RST38h | Absofuckinglutely! | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | i doubt he is :p | 15:18 |
| sivang | we live in a war zone! Maaaa!..... :) | 15:18 |
| * sivang goes to cry in the corner | 15:18 | |
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| MohammadAG | oh so that's why the N900 wasn't released in israel | 15:18 |
| sivang | LOL | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | it has a broken temperature sensor | 15:19 |
| RST38h | Mommy, it is dark here! There are sheds! There are cows! We are gonna die, mommy!!! | 15:19 |
| sivang | RST38h: +1 | 15:19 |
| sivang | I want a weather station! | 15:19 |
| sivang | plllllleeaasee. | 15:19 |
| RST38h | http://kazakdesign.com/files/images/no_publish/2011/musor_sm.jpg | 15:19 |
| RST38h | sivang: http://www.gismeteo.ru/city/daily/5403/ | 15:20 |
| drj_cro | hi..can any1 help with camera problem,today i got message Memory is full,unable to save content.have 18G free on storage | 15:20 |
| sivang | hmm so just 32c? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_ICAO_code:_L#LL_-_Israel | 15:20 |
| sivang | well, it is less humid in berlin. | 15:20 |
| sivang | Berlin is better anyways :) | 15:20 |
| RST38h | depends on your point of reference | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather LLBG | 15:21 |
| infobot | Ben-Gurion International Airport, Israel; (LLBG) 32-00N 034-54E 49M; last updated: 2011.08.26 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 68 F (20 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.74 in. Hg (1007 hPa); Relative Humidity: 49%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) | 15:21 |
| RST38h | to me, it is about 15oC higher than it should be | 15:21 |
| sivang | I was so lucky to "participate: in 3 bachlorette parties on the U-Bhan | 15:21 |
| sivang | Bahn | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | Why on the U-bahn? Are those bachelorettes jumping in front of the train or what? | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, how's haifa? | 15:22 |
| sivang | they invted me to drink (well, they were holding the bottle) and they almost tried to fix me one of their still single blonds | 15:22 |
| sivang | RST38h: LOL | 15:22 |
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| RST38h | By "still", do you mean the post-train-jump one? | 15:22 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: So, it is damn hot, I am thinking going to the mountain of Haifa U to get some fresh air (I live northern to haifa, where the pollution from the refineries is imminent) | 15:23 |
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| MohammadAG | going to technion on sunday | 15:23 |
| sivang | RST38h: no dude, they were on the way to Soda Club or Altecantina and were drinking on the U-Bahn | 15:24 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you are! | 15:24 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: wow, are you starting to study? | 15:24 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I mean, enrolled in studies? | 15:24 |
| RST38h | ah | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | sadly | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | mchina for now | 15:24 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: You just made me excited like an old polish jewish mother | 15:24 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: dude, you ROCK. | 15:24 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Do they still disable Unix accounts for everyone logged in on Saturday? | 15:24 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: but please make sure you don't have a life during the MECHINA | 15:24 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I want you to be able to get to any faculty you like | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | make sure I don't? | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, lol | 15:25 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: also, there's the amazing HOF GACARMEL beach you should go to | 15:25 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I am not joking though | 15:25 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: that would probably my only miss if I relocate to Finland or germany one day | 15:25 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: eer, sorry | 15:26 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: make sure you don't have life, so you can concentrate on studies | 15:26 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: the mechina is hard, but is possible | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, they do that? | 15:26 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I mean, you are 1000x times smarter than me so you'd make it no sweat. | 15:26 |
| RST38h | MOhammadAG: Around 1999 they did | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, idk hebrew though :p | 15:27 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: idk ? | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | MOhammadAG: Seen a list of blocked accounts with reasons attached, 70% was "worked during Shabbat" | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~idk | 15:27 |
| infobot | it has been said that idk is I don't know | 15:27 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you know Hebrew , you mean? | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | I passed the entry hebrew exam. but that's about it | 15:27 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: didn;'t they ask you to do a math test ? | 15:27 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: very stupid perliminary math test they do | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, err, i should take my own laptop then | 15:28 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I never heard unix accounts disabled | 15:28 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: well, mine was never disabled | 15:28 |
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| MohammadAG | sivang, only one maths test | 15:28 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: and I always worked on shabbas :) | 15:28 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: yes, that's enough | 15:28 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: 9 months mechina? or genious mechina of 6 months? | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | then you're not kosher! :p | 15:28 |
| RST38h | Probably just some fucked up BOFH looking for a reason | 15:29 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I was never kosher ;) | 15:29 |
| RST38h | Chances of him staying there since 1999 are nil =) | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | 9 months :p | 15:29 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: good, it will leave you some room for life. | 15:29 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: there's great HAIFUX meeting btw | 15:29 |
| sivang | if they still run there. | 15:29 |
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| sivang | and in general there's a lot of unix's all over | 15:30 |
| sivang | so it is nice | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | imma need a car in haifa | 15:30 |
| sivang | (redhats, solaris ) | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | i hate public transportation | 15:30 |
| * sivang dislilkes solaris | 15:30 | |
| * sivang is so excited for MohammadAG studies in Technion | 15:30 | |
| sivang | MohammadAG: pub transport in hafia is hell | 15:31 |
| sivang | I prefer Berlin :) | 15:31 |
| sivang | (or Munchen for that matter) | 15:31 |
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| sivang | Or finland's trams :) | 15:31 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: we could start our N950 hacking club perhaps. | 15:31 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: and try to get technionistas interested | 15:31 |
| RST38h | With a membership of one? | 15:32 |
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| sivang | RST38h: two :| | 15:32 |
| ohookins | so with all the irc love happening at the moment (seems like people are finally awake) can anybody tell me if X-Fade actually watches the channel or is just permanently lurking? | 15:32 |
| sivang | :) | 15:32 |
| RST38h | two, yes | 15:32 |
| ohookins | RST38h: three ;) | 15:32 |
| sivang | ohookins: he is here | 15:32 |
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| ohookins | sivang: and alive? | 15:33 |
| RST38h | X-Fade is prety much alive | 15:33 |
| sivang | ohookins: watching and participating actively, I guess he's on a vacation or a day without compupter or something | 15:33 |
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| sivang | ohookins: the liveliest maemo member, just like DocScrutinizer | 15:33 |
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| sivang | ohookins: very passionate as well, I spoke to him in Dublin | 15:33 |
| ohookins | sivang: would you know if anybody else aside from X-Fade has access to fix dependency problems in the maemo package system? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 15:33 |
| sivang | (last time I saw him in real lief) | 15:33 |
| RST38h | ohookins: no | 15:34 |
| ohookins | :( | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade is rarely responding to pings in this channel lately | 15:35 |
| ohookins | i noticed, from my brief look through the irc logs | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems his focus moved to meego | 15:35 |
| ohookins | fair enough, i want to get a few things built and released to extras for fremantle before i move on to harmattan | 15:36 |
| ohookins | would anybody be able to point me where i can find his email address or some useful site maintainer alias? | 15:36 |
| sivang | ohookins: email him | 15:37 |
| * sivang tries to dig out | 15:37 | |
| sivang | hmm I forgot his real name dammit | 15:37 |
| ohookins | if you have the general format (firstname.lastname@example.com) i have it | 15:38 |
| ohookins | niels breet | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~pager X-Fade | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 15:46 |
| ohookins | think i've found it | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~X-Fade's pager | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | now: | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~timriker's pager | 15:46 |
| infobot | it has been said that timriker's pager is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~+help page | 15:50 |
| infobot | Desc: Send someone a pager message | 15:50 |
| infobot | Usage: page <who> <message> | 15:50 |
| infobot | Example: page infobot you rock! | 15:50 |
| infobot | NOTE: this uses the "<who>'s pager" factoids for the From: and To: addresses of the format "example's pager" is "mailto:me@example.com" | 15:50 |
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| MohammadAG | page MohammadAG sup | 15:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | ~page MohammadAG o.O | 15:52 |
| infobot | Sorry, I don't know MohammadAG's email address. | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, $50 | 15:53 |
| * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag off | 15:53 | |
| psycho_oreos | LOL | 15:53 |
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| MohammadAG | oh nice, the events view has a weather widget in newer version | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | s | 15:55 |
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| edheldil | Asking X-Fade is needed to get a package to extras-devel? | 15:56 |
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| ohookins | edheldil: i can't promote one of my packages from extras-devel to extras-testing because the package system is finding false broken dependencies | 15:59 |
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| edheldil | ah, ok | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | page command is broken anyway in infobot | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so nevermind | 16:02 |
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| mece | any shellscripters around? Need a quickie | 16:08 |
| psycho_oreos | depends on what you need | 16:09 |
| mece | easy | 16:09 |
| mece | a loop that issues a command with the i variable in the command and a sleep 6 in it. | 16:09 |
| psycho_oreos | for i in `foo`; do foo $i && sleep; done <----? | 16:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | s/sleep/sleep 6/ | 16:10 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: for i in `foo`; do foo $i && sleep 6; done <----? | 16:10 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, I'll input a number of times I want it done | 16:10 |
| mece | I don't have foo | 16:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | foo was an example to replace whatever command it is that you want it to run | 16:11 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm | 16:11 |
| ohookins | for i in `seq 1 x` ... | 16:11 |
| ohookins | where x is the number you want | 16:11 |
| psycho_oreos | i++? | 16:11 |
| mece | i want this: for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) { /bin/asdfboink; sleep 6; } | 16:11 |
| mece | erm | 16:12 |
| mece | right | 16:12 |
| ohookins | or seq 0 x | 16:12 |
| mece | for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) { /bin/asdfboink/i; sleep 6; } | 16:12 |
| mece | inserted the i there. | 16:12 |
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| ohookins | for i in `seq 1 100`; do /bin/asdfboink/${i}; sleep 6; done | 16:12 |
| edheldil | seq 0 99, actually | 16:13 |
| mece | ohookins, ok, thanks I'll try that | 16:13 |
| ohookins | if you need it 0 indexed use $((i-1)) | 16:14 |
| ohookins | or seq 0 99 | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: nonono, that's incorrect: bash syntax is for ((i = 0; i < 100; i++)) do; /bin/asdfboink; sleep 6; done; | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: nonono, that's incorrect: bash syntax is for ((i = 0; i < 100; i++)) do; /bin/asdfboink/$i; sleep 6; done; | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for ((i = 0; i < 100; i++)); do /bin/asdfboink/$i; sleep 6; done; | 16:19 |
| sivang | why does the N900 reject phone nubmer *100# ? | 16:20 |
| sivang | (this is blauworld request for credit balance) | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | phone number? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | reject? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | (get *#-ena though USSD are supposed to work without *#-ena since PR1.3) | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sometimes rtcom-dialer-ui chokes. killall rtcom-dialer-ui usually fixes that | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (yes it's safe, unless you do it in a while true loop) | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | killall -9 even | 16:23 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: lol | 16:23 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: it says it is 'bad phone number' | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: no kidding | 16:23 |
| sivang | you cannot not love the wording... (see me and timeless's talk from 2010) | 16:24 |
| * sivang terminals | 16:24 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O .oO(???) | 16:24 |
| sivang | lol | 16:24 |
| sivang | I mean, | 16:25 |
| sivang | 'opening the terminal" | 16:25 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I know for you terminals have an electric meaning :-D | 16:25 |
| sivang | "enable RD mode if you want to break your device" | 16:25 |
| sivang | interesting | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 16:25 |
| sivang | I flashed latest FW and it now won't let me in root? | 16:25 |
| sivang | nice! | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | get rootsh!!!! | 16:25 |
| * sivang installs | 16:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | get *#-ena! | 16:26 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I thought I had reinstalled all my packages | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not | 16:26 |
| chem|st | sivang: terminals have something to do with aero for me | 16:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer insists on getting appointed "ranter of the month" in next Nokia developer newsletter | 16:27 | |
| sivang | chem|st: heh | 16:27 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: LOL | 16:27 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: yes, so only part of the package list was backed up, interesting | 16:28 |
| chem|st | airport terminal | 16:28 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: is ssh server on a community repo? (please say no) | 16:28 |
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| sivang | chem|st: :) | 16:28 |
| chem|st | bad wifi airport terminal | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that I knew of | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh is in extras even | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 16:28 |
| chem|st | sivang: openssh is in extras | 16:29 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh okay, I can now enable maemo.org repo "in a click" | 16:29 |
| sivang | no need to add it in manually | 16:29 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh | 16:29 |
| * sivang rereads http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 16:29 | |
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| sivang | starhash in non extras, yay! no manual intervention so far | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errwhat? *# should be in extras. Even fist on top of list "all" | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | first* | 16:32 |
| psycho_oreos | sounds like someone has been out of the loop for awhile ;) --> sivang | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (this was not intentional but a nice side-effect of changing the beauty name) | 16:33 |
| chem|st | ~slap sivang | 16:33 |
| * infobot slaps sivang, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 16:33 | |
| chem|st | ~appocalypse | 16:33 |
| chem|st | ~apocalypse | 16:33 |
| chem|st | ~apocalypse is THE-END | 16:34 |
| infobot | chem|st: okay | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys *calyp* | 16:34 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '*calyp*' by key (3): oldtest apocalypse ;; apocalypse ;; eucalyptus. | 16:34 |
| chem|st | ~eucalyptus | 16:34 |
| infobot | Advanced MIME email program. URL: http://www.isengard-dev.org/ | 16:34 |
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| chem|st | ah that | 16:34 |
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| chem|st | ~forget apocalypse | 16:35 |
| infobot | chem|st: i forgot apocalypse | 16:35 |
| RST38h | hey, bring back the apocalypse | 16:35 |
| * sivang .oO(stupid! Extras is the only maemo.org repo there) | 16:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~unforget apocalypse | 16:35 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'apocalypse'. Have fun now. | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you wish, massa RST38h | 16:36 |
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| sivang | psycho_oreos: and you are terribly right, I take all the blame. | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget apocalyps* | 16:36 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: i didn't have anything called 'apocalyps*' to forget | 16:36 |
| sivang | luckily, this is one of the friendliest channels out there. | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget apocalypse | 16:36 |
| infobot | i forgot apocalypse, DocScrutinizer | 16:36 |
| sivang | been too much with MeeGo, that's why :) | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sivang: (friendly chan) there are other notions on that ;-P | 16:37 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, can I have spaces in the do command? | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | elaborate | 16:38 |
| mece | well I need the following: | 16:39 |
| sivang | well, for me it is friendly ;) | 16:39 |
| RST38h | ahhh, feeling satisfied now... | 16:39 |
| mece | do /bin/something -a -x $i | 16:39 |
| ohookins | yes | 16:39 |
| ohookins | each command is only delimited by ; | 16:40 |
| mece | ok thanks | 16:40 |
| sivang | RST38h: :) | 16:40 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: doc, still getting 'bad number' | 16:40 |
| sivang | starhash is installed | 16:40 |
| psycho_oreos | sivang, o.O | 16:40 |
| sivang | killall'd -9 for rtcomm-call-ui | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: sth like >> for ((i = 0; i < 35; i++)); do case $i in 1*|3*) echo $i; esac; done ? | 16:40 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, wth? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah that | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though you meant sparse iterator | 16:41 |
| mece | no I just want to execute a command with parameters 100 times 6 seconds apart | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, misinterpereted "spaces" | 16:42 |
| mece | hehe | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you can have as many commands of whatever syntax is valid, between do; and done; | 16:42 |
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| mece | new lines are ok I suppose. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unless inmidst a command and its parameters | 16:43 |
| mece | wait I'll paste what I have. | 16:43 |
| * sivang reboots | 16:43 | |
| * sivang does it the WP7 way | 16:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: should work insatntly after installing *#-ena | 16:44 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, http://pastie.org/2433531 | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: #!/bin/sh -> #!/bin/bash | 16:45 |
| mece | hmm didn't work. | 16:45 |
| mece | ok | 16:45 |
| mece | it's running... | 16:46 |
| mece | I guess I need to check if it's doing it's job... | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | also for readabilita please place the do token at end of for(()) line | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or on a separate line | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | add a simple >> echo "this is run #$i" << somewhere inside the do; done | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for "need to check if it's doing it's job..." | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: http://pastie.org/2433554 | 16:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer HATES that friggin midnight theme of pastie | 16:50 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | re: (<DocScrutinizer> page command is broken anyway in infobot) nope, actually works, just throws error | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicofs: hmmm, too bad. Often the validation mails bounce, as the way they are sent triggers all sorts of graylisting mechanisms, rDNS checks failing, etc | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | first check your spam folder | 18:22 |
| nicofs | DocScrutinizer, I checked everything i could access... | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could you try to log in and send a "I forgot my password" action? It's supposed to send a new message with a verification-alike URL to reset your password | 18:24 |
| nicofs | DocScrutinizer, done that... | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I sometimes had to revert to using another mail account temporarily, then after confirming my tmo account I changed the mail addr | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, and also make sure you use firefox as there seems to be issues with the registration process when using "non-standard browsers" | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | enable cookies! | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a notorious PITA | 18:27 |
| nicofs | DocScrutinizer, aaah... i have cookies and chromium... will retry with ff... | 18:27 |
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| nicofs | still nothing | 18:33 |
| nicofs | can someone delete the account so that i can try again with another mail? | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas I think the one who could is hard to reach | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway accounts that aren't confirmed should expire in some days | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | annoying - yes | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I had 3 or 4 accounts at times | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | for that exact reason | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nicofs: give tmo some time to process all the heavy work it seems to do ;-D. Sometimes it's really massively overloaded and sending out mails might take hours then | 18:55 |
| nicofs | hmm... then I'll check back tomorrow... | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually loading pages is slow like geotectonics here atm | 19:18 |
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| nid0 | hm, touchpads are actually not half bad | 19:40 |
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| Sicelo | ~pita | 20:24 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pita is pain in the ass, or a bread-like food | 20:24 |
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| sivang | still no way to use *# phones | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | starhash enabler? | 22:12 |
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| RST38h | Shouldn't the last PR have fixed it??? | 22:12 |
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| sivang | ShadowJK: yes, great to see you again | 22:39 |
| sivang | RST38h, ShadowJK : I installed it still no go. | 22:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Did you install it with application manager or with fapman or with apt-get? | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | *# need HAM for installation | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or simply edit the config file, like *# does ;-) | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | *# is the only app with a 0 byte binary ;-D | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe rootsh is similar | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sivang: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=807930#post807930 | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo -e "[supplementary]\nssc=1\n" >/home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should first check if it's already there | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's basically all *#-ena does | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | I guess it doesn't work with the "check credit balance" type things? | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | in that you don't see any replies? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui sivang claimed it says "not a valid phone number" which sounds like a local response, not a network born response | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | furthermore I seems to me sivang mentioned a reseller that uses O2 network, and I know in O2 which happens to be my provider as well the *100# should result in a response showing a menu | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: please tesat *#67# | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | test* | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: PING?! | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yes, PR1.3 should have fixed USSD | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. all the 3-digit codes should work even without *#-ena | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems to me like sivang maybe hasn't really flashed PR1.3 ? | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or it's PEBKAC | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i.e. the code is actually not supported, or the phone not even registered in to home network | 23:03 |
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| vi__ | sent my n900 for repair. the bastards sent me an n8 back. | 23:17 |
| vi__ | -_- | 23:17 |
| vi__ | -_-' | 23:17 |
| Atarii | :'( | 23:17 |
| vi__ | wtf am i supposed to with an n8? | 23:17 |
| vi__ | before you say 'sell it on ebay' | 23:18 |
| vi__ | ebay or amaxon BOTH take 10% | 23:18 |
| vi__ | 10%!! | 23:18 |
| vi__ | bastards. | 23:18 |
| vi__ | who wants to buy an n8? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: refuse to accept the N8, insist on a N900 | 23:20 |
| vi__ | who do i refuse to? | 23:20 |
| hiemanshu | return it back to them | 23:20 |
| hiemanshu | want N900 or N9 | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | to the shop/center you got the N8 from? | 23:20 |
| vi__ | what like take it back? | 23:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Insist that they made a mistake, that you sent/brought in a N900 for repair, and that you want an N900 | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75129 | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1057154#post1057154 | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1058230&postcount=37 | 23:37 |
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| cehteh | or ask them to install maemo on the n8 :) | 23:41 |
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