IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-08-26

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khuongCan anyone help me with the autobuilder problem?00:08
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khuongCan anyone help me with the autobuilder problem?00:12
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DocScrutinizercould somebody create a forward from to please, rather than still supporting the old obsolete URL00:38
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jacekowskiforwards mess with pagerank00:40
DocScrutinizerfor obscure reasons often the Itt hits are higher in ranking than the equiv tmo hits, on google. Which is annoying as you won't get auto-login on the Itt URL when you click on it00:40
DocScrutinizeractually I'd guess nobody needs the Itt URL really meanwhile00:41
DocScrutinizerit's like a zombie sneaking in all the time00:42
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DocScrutinizerI'd set up a global s/ on my browser, if only it would support this00:43
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: s/|/\//00:44
DocScrutinizer:nod:  expected this00:44
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AtariiDocScrutinizer you could put a redirect in your hosts file ;p00:46
DocScrutinizerumm, do you think that would help to avoid the wron00:48
DocScrutinizerwrong URL to show up in addr field of browser?00:48
DocScrutinizerAtarii: I don't even see how to set up a redirect there. Possibly ignorance00:49
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> host talk.maemo.org00:50 is an alias for has address
Atariidon't they have different IPs?00:50
DocScrutinizerobviously not :-P00:50
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Atariiah does, not the talk subdomain00:51
Atariimy ad00:51
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FIQ|n900can't you just use some htaccess magic or whatever you use as webserver00:52
DocScrutinizer*I*? use nothing as webserver00:52
FIQ|n900ok, tmo00:52
DocScrutinizerI'm using a browser that doesn't have cookies and stored passwords for ITT URL00:53
FIQ|n900i didn't get what you wanted00:53
DocScrutinizerso I'm back to the useless orange default theme and not logged in when I click on a Itt URL00:54
DocScrutinizerthere are URLs that forward to another URL00:54
DocScrutinizerI'd think that'd be the right behaviour for Itt00:55
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DocScrutinizerlike redirects to
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DocScrutinizerNFC how that works (guess with some "597 moved permanently" HTTP reply), but obviously it can be done and works flawlessly00:59
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fizzies/597/301/, but other than that even the official response name matched exactly.01:01
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DocScrutinizerfizzie: so it's up to the browser to keep the "parameters" (like "/showthread.php?p=1022444#post1022444") and just call the new URL with the same parameters? Then it's be pretty simple to configure that 301 response for http://forums.internettablettalk.com01:15
FIQ|n900Hm, any swedes here?01:16
FIQ|n900i've a quick question that can be skipped (but would prefer not)01:16
FIQ|n900I'll take that as a "no"01:17
DocScrutinizeractually I think building a proper new URL for the 301 destination from the "parameters" of the current request also is just simple enough01:17
NIN101most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from works on rescue OS, unlike which causes interrupt errors after some time :-).01:18
fizzieDocScrutinizer: It's up to the browser to keep the anchor (#foo) part, but I think the server's supposed to repeat the query string (?foo) part. Anyway, Apache's mod_redirect (and certainly mod_rewrite) can both redirect a path like /foo, so that /foo/anything goes to schema://newurl/bar/anything.01:18
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DocScrutinizerfizzie: thought as much. For Itt vs tmo it's as simple as it gets, just the domain changes, the rest stays as is01:20
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fizzieFor a POST request generally the data isn't sent to the new address, but that's usually not a problem, except transiently for someone who opens a form-containing page with the old address before the redirection, and then submits it after the redirection has been enabled.01:21
DocScrutinizerfizzie: btw thanks for a hint why sometimes anchors fail to work here01:22
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NIN101Hmm, we could create an initrd which directly starts charging and does nothing more. This would help people who's battery drained and are in a reboot loop or something.01:23
DocScrutinizeresp on mxr.maemo.orh I never get the right line01:23
DocScrutinizerNIN101: excellent plan! :-D01:23
DocScrutinizerNIN101: btw what are those interrupt errors?01:25
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MohammadAGI can't mount my PC's rootfs01:27
MohammadAGmount goes on indefinately01:27
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MohammadAGps x shows D on the process mount01:28
javispedropotential hard disk failrue01:28
MohammadAGWindows works javispedro01:29
MohammadAGsame HDD01:29
MohammadAGand something in my bootup segfaults01:29
javispedrorun fsck then01:29
MohammadAGno fsck01:29
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MohammadAGI was dropped into an initramfs shell01:30
iluminator101is there an app with alarm that reminds you stuff that is due?01:30
MohammadAGlive CD also fails to boot01:30
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: look at :-o01:30
DocScrutinizercaused by on meego01:30
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DocScrutinizeriluminator101: calendar, or better alarmed01:31
FIQ|n900<NIN101> most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from works on rescue OS, unlike which causes interrupt errors after some time :-).01:32
FIQ|n900Yeah, but i didn't needed it that much01:32
FIQ|n900so i stopped waiting01:32
javispedroDocScrutinizer: on meego means with meego CE N900 kernel?01:33
DocScrutinizerask NIN101 but yes01:33
javispedroI was recently trying to understand that piece of code01:34
javispedroI mean, the timer wheel algorithm01:34
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javispedrothis is Stskeeps domain afaik, why is CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE not set?01:37
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DocScrutinizerlost me01:43
javispedrothe double fault is because a BUG() on arm causes a fault01:44
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DocScrutinizeranyway that's for sure a bug in meego kernel, no?01:44
javispedroand the original BUG() seems to be because there's a corrupted timer in the per-cpu timer list01:44
DocScrutinizerI can't see why would trigger these kernel panics, while meego-charge.tar doesn01:45
javispedroso, nfi: it could be from bad hw to sw bug.01:45
DocScrutinizeractually meego-charge is using bq27200 sysnodes while doesn't afaik01:46
javispedroI do not know any of either01:46
DocScrutinizerother than that both scripts aren't that much different01:47 didn't work while bq module was loaded01:47
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DocScrutinizerwhich bq module? bq27200?01:48
javispedroi'd check bq27200 timer usage01:48
javispedromaybe it does it while the wrong lock held or similar...01:48
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DocScrutinizeryeah, also uses bq27200, though via direct i2cget. It wouldn't need to do that anyway, but when it does this obviously will conflict with bq27200.ko01:50
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DocScrutinizersame issue as with bme and supposed new jrbme01:51
DocScrutinizerand with bme and bq27200.ko in maemo01:51
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DocScrutinizerobviously they did some REALLY NASTY hack on meego kernel to allow bme to access bq27200 via direct i2cbus access (just like does)01:52
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DocScrutinizerbtw a good example why bq27200 driver hack is BAD01:55
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DocScrutinizerexactly this class of bug I expected when I learnt some funny guy decided to kick out the locking for I2C access01:56
DocScrutinizerwell, pali removed this abomination of a kernel driver/patch from PK4801:57
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DocScrutinizerthat's what you get when you patch the kernel to match requirements introduced by a borked POS blob like bme02:01
DocScrutinizerthat's btw the reason why I stopped on jrbme02:01
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Psihas anyone noticed the FMboot kills the IR until you reboot?02:02
Psiim not 100% sure yet, but twice IR has stopped after using fmboost02:02
SpeedEvilSeems unlikely.02:03
Psiyeah, its an app that boosts the FM tx power02:03
DocScrutinizeraah boost02:03
Psiyeah, sorry02:03
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DocScrutinizerunlikely but I also noticed *some* issues with IR LED. Dunno if they night be related to FMboost though02:04
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: unlikely but I also noticed *some* issues with IR LED. Dunno if they might be related to FMboost though02:04
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DocScrutinizerIRreco stopped working for me lately02:04
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Psiits a bit unstable02:04
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resident`evilhey all06:15
resident`evilsorry for the out of topic question but its a very simple for many who are here06:15
resident`evili'm using this command to find text in files06:15
resident`evilfind . | xargs grep 'text'06:16
resident`evilfind . | xargs grep 'text' -sl06:16
GeneralAntillesI wish I knew who's behind that account.06:16
resident`evilbut its returning me matches which are not exactly this text06:16
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resident`evili want the exact match06:16
resident`evilso anyone?06:16
resident`evilcan any linux guy help please??06:23
resident`evilis everyone sleeping?06:23
MohammadAGresident`evil, grep -r text files06:28
MohammadAGgrep -r text /*06:29
resident`evilok so it has to be without the quotes06:29
MohammadAGthe quotes just help so you don't have to escape special charcters like spaces06:30
MohammadAGgrep -r two\ words or grep -r "two words"06:30
MohammadAGheaded to bed, night :)06:32
resident`evilnight \o06:33
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ping09:37
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, please disregard the ping, I've found an alternative solution. Thanks anyway :)10:07
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ohookinsX-Fade: ping11:04
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swandanceeverybody home ?11:19
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* psycho_oreos is making final changes to indicating the locations of antennas on N900, first time using Gimp with more tools (and not with N900 of course). About to post photos up and link them onto wiki page.12:35
psycho_oreoswhat about you?12:35
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mrtankantennatuning on n900? yeah.. :)12:37
mrtankim not alone..12:38
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psycho_oreosalbeit I have not done any physical modifications. I'm just laying the foundations of the necessary theories :)12:39
mrtanki have done :)
psycho_oreosheh I don't understand much German but it seems like you've taken a different route. Quite interesting however12:42
mrtanki have the same problem with english :) next time i will try a antenna-plug for external anennas..12:44
psycho_oreosit'll be difficult for using the test connectors onboard the PCB, also bluetooth shares the same antenna with wireless LAN :/12:46
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mrtankyeah thats right.. but bluetooth runs at the same frequencq like wlan... with a good antenna you can have fum with bluesnarf :)12:49
psycho_oreosor do wireless LAN pentesting :) but not only that, there's also test connectors for GPS and GSM/Cellular. Test pad is available for FM transmitter12:50
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mrtankgps is interreting to.. but i use a external gpsmouse over bluetooth... for a better fmtransmitter i will kill :)12:53
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psycho_oreosheh not really, apart from a weird idea of replacing the internal antenna to external one (and thus making your genuine N900 look almost like a fake N900) :D12:54
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psycho_oreosI still use internal GPS with mobile broadband connectivity to quickly acquire location. Albeit the internal GPS can act a little weird at times but I guess there's not much one can do, maybe external antenna for that GPS module may make it less twitchy ;)12:56
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mrtankn900 with external gps fmtransmitter wlan and bluetooth antenna... the ultimate nerdphone :)12:59
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psycho_oreosnot quite, N900 with external antenna connectivity everywhere + 3000mAH + custom back cover = the ultimate nerdphone :D13:00
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mrtankyeah... and solarcollectos... and coffewarmer over h-e-n usbplug13:01
psycho_oreosnah, dual micro USB connectors :D one OTG (which is using H-E-N) and the other mainly used for charging the device ^^13:02
psycho_oreos <--- done updating ^^13:03
psycho_oreos <--- antenna used instead on FM Transmitter for the real N900 = evil *g*13:04
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psycho_oreosmrtank, you're not Helmuth on the tmo are you? *g*13:08
mrtankpew... thats kewl... :)13:09
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mrtankno im not helmuth :)13:09
psycho_oreosI don't like where the antenna is sitting however, but the idea of that on a real N900 with other things = pure evil *Eg*13:09
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psycho_oreosahh, you should contribute in that thread, btw nice findings. I never knew BT/WLAN would have their antenna there ^^13:10
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psycho_oreos <--- :))13:11
psycho_oreosI should probably bump it up, gonna announce that I've finished updating the info on external antennas13:12
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mrtankexternal rocks :) so i have to go... see ya later..13:13
psycho_oreosmaybe I'll add yer link in on my next post? lol13:13
mrtanklol yeah... bye :)13:14
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DocScrutinizerkids, don't mess with antennae. It's not as easy as you might think. For the mod I honestly doubt the efficiency and also had a couple of concerns, starting at covering a gold contact pad with "dirty" lead-tin(oxide)-flux blob, and not ending at connecting two antennae to a tuned line that's not meant to support load of two antennae13:30
psycho_oreosI can't really understand German fully but according to his thread, I think he did post some results of improved performance13:31
DocScrutinizeryou know how antenna design is done in commercial context? it's a job whole RF-houses spend weeks on comparing and tuning different designs to the actual particular device. You adding random contraptions and improving things on first shot... guess how likely that is ;-D13:32
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: this is really random bogus results13:32
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: and anybody not understanding *why* it's bogus shouldn't even think of messing with RF. RF is the most complicated domain in analog electronics, and antenna design somewhat is the master discipline of RF13:33
psycho_oreos*shrugs* sure I don't doubt Nokia's design is impeccable but at the same time they aren't trying to break any international laws on how to outdo radio stuff :)13:34
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DocScrutinizersure, valid point13:34
ohookinsthe cantenna is an obvious example of backyard engineering that does actually work well13:34
ohookinsbut those examples are few and far between13:35
psycho_oreosi.e. N900 in a can? ;) but otherwise I somewhat welcome alternative means of improving the original specifications even if it means to break international laws.13:35
ohookinsi've seen the kind of equipment that they use in the RF labs and it's some of the most costly not to mention huge sets of equipment in the catalog13:35
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ohookins€15 soldering iron and some wire vs €50000 testing rig13:35
ohookinswhich is the base module, not counting addons13:36
DocScrutinizershow 3D sensitivity diagrams done in a RF non-reflective chamber with proper (Rhode+Schwarz) equipment, and I'm willing to discuss it :-D13:36
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, you provide the equipment in a location where any one of us can easily access and we'll do it ;)13:36
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DocScrutinizercantenna, oooh. Sure that's simple and obviously effective. Even better: place N900 in place of the LNB of a sat dish13:37
psycho_oreosor a wok...13:37
psycho_oreoss/or/or in/13:37
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: or in a wok...13:37
psycho_oreos <-- more like a pan but.... fugly!13:38
DocScrutinizerthere are things that are simple and obvious, and kinda self evident, even in RF design. Others are mere handwaving, even with the professionals. For example it's still next to impossible to completely design an antenna with any specialized SW tool aka CAD. The equations are too complex sometimes, you can not solve them "on paper", you have to build models/prototypes and do *decent* tests on them13:40
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psycho_oreosthe problem is, none of us have those sorts of things where we can easily access :) plus with Nokia no longer producing N900 and we're only using our own devices. I can't see why we shouldn't try and make N900 more usable in our own ways13:42
psycho_oreosworst comes to worst if we brick/destroy/damage the device we can only blame ourselves for being too curious ^^13:44
DocScrutinizerfor the WLAN antenna "hack" mentioend above by mrtank: it obviously isn't possible to signifacantly improve *all* aspects of antenna performance by simply adding a second wire and place it in random shape < 2mm close to the original antenna. What you might achieve by this is changing the directional sensitivity of the whole contraption, so sensitivity in one direction is maybe factor 2 better, while allother directions massively suffer. Now13:46
DocScrutinizerif you incidently do your before|after tests with device in an optimal orientation you actually may see an improvement caused by your soldered-on antenna wire. Though: rotate the device by 90° and find reception drop to useless  levels. See my point?13:46
psycho_oreosin other words, making a directional antenna more directional? :)13:48
ohookinsthe problem is that there is no quantitative or even qualitative way to say it is an overall improvement13:49
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: by definition N900 WLAN/BT antenna shouldn't be too directional13:49
DocScrutinizerohookins: exactly13:49
ohookinsat best you are suggesting destructively modifying the device without any assurance of gains in all environments13:49
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ohookinsif there is no assurance of benefit, there is no reason to make the changes13:50
DocScrutinizerand I've dealt with this sort of users' subjective quality ratings for > 9 months when I tackled Openmoko Frerunner's buzz issue. I learnt about amount of credibility of such ratings13:50
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, true but no-one can easily prove that apart from Nokia whom has done all the relevant tests :)13:51
psycho_oreosohookins, that's like saying one should never hardware hack their own device regardless of what the device maybe :p13:52
DocScrutinizerthere are some more engineers that could do tests. But admittedly those opportunities and equipment needed are rare and expensive13:52
ohookinspsycho_oreos: absolutely not, but it is exactly like saying you would not perform a hack unless you knew there was a good chance of it actually working13:52
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ohookinsas it is, since there is no way to verify the results are repeatable there is not a good justification to make the changes13:53
psycho_oreosohookins, there's no way to tell that without modification first :)13:53
DocScrutinizerI agree with both of you13:53
ohookinsarguably there isn't a great way to tell even after modification13:53
psycho_oreosand hardware modifications can also be irreversable once a mistake is made or once you change your mind13:53
ohookinsas DocScrutinizer correctly mentioned, RF is very hard13:54
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DocScrutinizerI disagree with mrtank's fuzzy claim of an improvement from 60% to 80%, while he not even used an A/B test (maybe even with another non-N900 device) to rule out better weather/opened vs closed doors/ neighbour shutting down his AP during thtest that yielded 80% / etc pp13:55
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: for the "irreversible" I pont to my original concern about slder not being an adequate material for contact pad surfaces13:56
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: for the "irreversible" I point to my original concern about solder not being an adequate material for contact pad surfaces13:57
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, I mean the problem is that most of us N900 owners are also tinkerers generally at heart :) eager tinkerers and sometimes more bold into doing things out of the ordinary just for the sake of it. However to go around and getting results proven just for the sake of argument is really taking it to the extreme. Sure, we're backyard operators if anything compared to the likes of big manufacturers. Whatever we do may turn things in both ways unlike13:57
psycho_oreos what the manufacturer does, but what I don't like is the fact that we should sit with our hands underneath our legs on a seat!13:57
DocScrutinizerthe less for UHF RF pads13:57
psycho_oreosI'll agree for sure RF is really hard, I'm nowhere near the level of understanding he has, nevertheless I'd experiment and see how far I'd go13:58
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, true but again, we're backyard operators in general if anything :)13:58
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: I never suggested you "sit with our hands underneath our legs"13:58
DocScrutinizerI just suggest asking me for an occasional advice13:59
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DocScrutinizermy advice would be: never solder to a gold plated contact pad! There are for sure better ways that *are* reversible14:00
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, I know you didn't suggest that :) I just get a little defensive when small yields (with potential huge losses and devastating long term effects which could either go either ways) shouldn't be frowned upon14:01
psycho_oreos*shrugs* he probably was under budget constraint as well hence he used cheap methods14:01
chem|stthe gold pad will get loose if soldered incorrectly (most by-hand)14:01
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: *shrugs* he probably was under budget constraint as well hence he used cheaper methods14:01
DocScrutinizere.g use a tiny "sheet" of silver (Ag) foil, cut to shape so it goes nicely between the original contact pad and the pogopin spring loaded contact, and solder the wire to a corner of this patch14:01
chem|stit is not a "must" become loose14:01
zutesmogany chance anyone can shed some light on an issue I am having with my N900.  (Tried searching but haven;t found anything close).  After about a day the desktop won't launch any apps.  I can from the main apps menu, but nothing on any desktop will launch.  I can still customise the desktop though.  A restart solves it.14:02
chem|stbut 4 out of 5 or something is ususal, and if not while attaching then surely when removing it...14:02
psycho_oreoszutesmog, check CPU usage, I'm guessing its hildon-{home,desktop} freeze14:03
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chem|stzutesmog: python-desktop-launcher14:03
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chem|stor how it is called... bad thing14:03
zutesmogcpu is practically idle.14:03
zutesmogeverything runs nice and fast, just widgets on the desktop don't seem to get focus/or the event when you tap.14:04
DocScrutinizerzutesmog: probably one of your desktop widgets causes this failure14:05
chem|stsomething like that (cannot remember how it is spelled14:05
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: moo :-)14:06
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chem|stpython desktop widgets is the best invention for maemo NOT14:06
chem|stDocScrutinizer: moo!14:06
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, maybe I guess mrtank was a novice at soldering and general knowledge of RF :)14:06
zutesmognot running any widgets other than foreca, cpu speed control14:06
chem|stthen it might be cpu speed control... lmc14:07
psycho_oreoschem|st, interesting info, though I won't understand it fully until I try it myself (obviously not on N900 :))14:08
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: that's what I meant. It's a bit silly to mess with things you have no experience and/or knowledge about. So if you plan to go into that adventure it's wise to get advice, and surely you should refrain from selling your assumed achievements in a way others like you are temped to reproduce (and run into same issues you did and only haven't noticed yet)14:08
zutesmogactually I don't know what the widgets actuall called (not speed control) it's one for power kernel for setting cpu freq.14:08
chem|stpsycho_oreos: which part?14:08
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chem|stkernel power can have anything locking up your device, is there any special reason apart of killing your CPU with OC?14:09
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zutesmognot overclocking at the moment.14:10
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ahh! I thought you were frowning on the idea of backyard operators and basic diy. My bad. I guess if shit hits the fan with the original modder, he'll have a whole bunch of other people chasing after him just like those overclocking N900 threads :))14:10
psycho_oreoschem|st, the information on hand soldering stuff onto gold pads14:10
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zutesmogwhen I removed the cpufreq widget hildon-home stopped responidng.14:10
infobotzutesmog meant: when I removed the cpufreq widget hildon-home stopped responding.14:10
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: and no, I'm all for DIY and garage projects14:11
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sivanghi all14:12
sivanghow can I find out my gsm number?14:12
sivangI forgot the key combo and could not find this on the wiki anymore...14:12
DocScrutinizersivang: hi, you developer of the month14:12
* sivang notes his google foo is bad.14:12
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, didn't seem like you were when you sounded critical of it but I guess I mistook that for when you have a better idea in mind instead of what the modded actually did14:13
DocScrutinizersivang: there's basically no standardized way to find out about your own GSM phone number14:13
zutesmogyeah, it looks like maxCPU widget is the culprit, finally found it's name ;-)14:14
DocScrutinizerthere's a GSM AT command to read out a special storage in SIM that may or may not contain your phone number14:14
DocScrutinizersivang: was that what you were looking for?14:14
DocScrutinizerzutesmog: \o/14:15
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chem|stpsycho_oreos: yeah doing 4D measurements on sliding switches, the gold pads come off if you look at it in a strange way already14:16
BiggAlhey guys14:16
chem|sthey BiggAl14:16
psycho_oreoschem|st, 4D? what??14:17
chem|st4th D is resistance14:17
chem|stin this case14:17
DocScrutinizersivang: ??14:17
chem|stsivang: ring another phone?14:17
psycho_oreosBiggAl, hi14:18
chem|stor look in personal details stuff...14:18
chem|stor your last bill?!14:18
psycho_oreoscall yer mates (friends) and ask them what is yer number ;)14:18
BiggAlgot a quick query - the widget for feeding it has disappeared from my n900 desktop but doesn't appear in the list to add. I've tried reinstalling etc, is there any way to manually edit the stylesheet or whatever it uses to arrange the icon on the home screen?14:19
DocScrutinizersivang: anyway here you are: use pnatd, enter either >> AT+CNUM [cr] << or >> AT+CPBS="ON" [cr]  AT+CPBR=1 [cr] <<14:19
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psycho_oreoschem|st, in regards to that python-desktop thing, I wonder if it could be this: hildon-desktop-python-loader14:20
DocScrutinizeron some SIM cards  either of those command sequences may return your phone number, on some SIMs none of both may work14:20
chem|stpsycho_oreos: yes that it is14:20
chem|stme thinks14:20
psycho_oreoschem|st, did a search via cli, it was one of the two possible names I guess14:21
DocScrutinizer(<chem|st> sivang: ring another phone?) indeed, so obvious I didn't dare to even ask why you don't use this method14:22
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DocScrutinizeranyway seems sivang is afk or sth14:22
BiggAlwoops - caps14:23
chem|stBiggAl: feeding what?14:23
psycho_oreosthe widget for feeding it? feeding which?14:23
BiggAlsorry - feedingit14:23
BiggAlit's an RSS feed reader14:24
psycho_oreosah never tried that14:24
chem|stno idea14:24
BiggAlit's a lot better then the PoS that comes with maemo5 ;)14:24
chem|stgot my rss feeding an irc channel...14:24
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, interesting AT commands, needless to say is that you need to be root for these things to work?14:25
BiggAlwhat I'm asking isn't really specific to feedingit anyway - I just want to know how I could tweak my home screen with vim or something14:25
chem|styou don't14:26
psycho_oreosI think you use gconf for some parts of home screen14:26
BiggAlok I'lll have a look at gconf14:27
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sivangDocScrutinizer: Thanks for noting my champion of the month :) and yes, Doc, exactly what I wanted although calling me maties and ask mer number could be easier :)14:27
sivangthanks all for the responses, been afk for some good minutes hence did not respond , sorry for that.14:28
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sivangchem|st: I have a blauworld sim, and I lost the document telling me the password for the account, you must put inside your number to log in, even though I created an account with my id 'sivang'14:28
sivangchem|st: and they don't send me bills, I'm not in germany anymore :)14:28
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, hmm crap I can't get out of that pnatd session14:30
chem|stsivang: are you stupid or trying to pretend?14:30
sivangchem|st: I hope I'm not stupid, they don't allow you login based on the user account you created.14:30
chem|stcontacts -> menu -> my info....14:31
sivangDocScrutinizer: He called me stupid, mahh :)14:31
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chem|stsivang: there is your SIMs phone number14:31
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sivangchem|st: yes, but I want to create a script for that as well, so doc's approach would work in that case.14:31
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sivangchem|st: thanks, I overlooked your comment before (I tend to do that when I'm doing 10k things in the same time :))14:32
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psycho_oreosany of you played with pnatd?14:32
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chem|stsivang: what are you trying to achive?14:33
psycho_oreosseems like DocScrutinizer has gone afk14:33
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: I did a little14:33
sivangchem|st: first, find my german phone number, then create a script that would allow me to find this out from remote.14:33
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, ! nice, do you happen to know how to exit the session?14:33
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ah so you ignored my queries lol14:33
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: kill pnatd14:33
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: other than that, no14:33
DocScrutinizerand yes, pnatd doesn't ever terminate unless stdin gets closed afaik14:33
SpeedEvilOr that14:33
sivangchem|st: and seriously, I am not stupid, take that back! :)14:33
psycho_oreosI was thinking of killing it with another session but thought that could cause something else to screw up. Thanks14:34
sivangDocScrutinizer: Well, couldn't you close its sdin? if you input it with a file using redirection?14:34
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sivangDocScrutinizer: that is, let it end "naturally"14:34
DocScrutinizersivang: that should work14:35
psycho_oreoss/another session/another SSH session/14:35
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: I was thinking of killing it with another SSH session but thought that could cause something else to screw up. Thanks14:35
sivangchem|st: owe you a beer if we meet at an event, DocScrutinizer  as well (thansk for help for apparently stupid dude who's smart)14:35
chem|stsivang: where do you live now?14:35
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DocScrutinizersivang: depending on what's your real usecase for "scriot to find out from remote", initiating a call might be the simpler and more reliable alternative. If you got *#-ena installed you can even call "#31#<phonenumber>" to temporarily enable caller number signalling independently of your general settings14:39
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DocScrutinizerthere's a dbus call for setting up a call, as well as pnatd can use the age old "ATD<number>"14:41
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DocScrutinizerdisadvantage: both methods pop up the dialer (though you *might* be abler to kill/stop rtcom-call-ui process or whatever it's called)14:42
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DocScrutinizerkillall -sigstop rtcom-call-ui; echo ATD47110071984 | pnatd; sleep 2; echo ATH | pnatd; killall -sigcont rtcom-call-ui ;; # might work14:45
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DocScrutinizermeh, actually it doesn't work, pnatd seems to not accept piped stdin14:52
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sivangchem|st: Israel14:52
sivangDocScrutinizer: oh, I see. so better use the #-ena approach14:52
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sivangchem|st: I was just visiting Germany and local friends there, so needed a sim, but it seems it is quite cheap for long distance calls from here as well.14:53
chem|stah ok14:53
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sivangDocScrutinizer: I now have more than a few sims in a couple of phones, I want to be able to retrieve the numbers if I change sim's etc, in an automated manner.14:54
sivangDocScrutinizer: and they are very long numbers since I got some local sims from the US , germany etc..14:55
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sivangDocScrutinizer: so hard to remember even when you look at them when you want to recharge and have to use the number to login :)14:55
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DocScrutinizerwell, here pnatd AT+CNUM works14:57
psycho_oreosI got OK instead of an actual number14:57
DocScrutinizer+CNUM: ,"+491796099¿¿¿",14514:58
DocScrutinizer+CNUM: ,"0000000",12914:58
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DocScrutinizerI friggin get mad if I don't find a way to pipe commands to pnatd :-S15:00
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: you also tried the other sequence?15:00
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psycho_oreosdockane_1, yeah it keeps saying OK and then <cr>15:01
DocScrutinizer(though I don't believe in it yielding better results)15:01
psycho_oreosbah! tab fails on me15:01
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psycho_oreosI'm trying the alternative command with my other N900 which is with a different provider15:02
DocScrutinizeryeah, phone number *may* be simply *stored* on SIM. You can chage it any time though in SIM storage, and it may not be there by default15:02
psycho_oreoss/I'm trying/I'm going to try/15:02
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infobotpsycho_oreos meant: I'm going to try the alternative command with my other N900 which is with a different provider15:02
DocScrutinizerit's basically simply storage location #1 aiui15:03
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DocScrutinizeror maybe there were actually 4 special storage locations for card's phone numbers, but not always available or working or populated15:04
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sivangDocScrutinizer: :)15:06
psycho_oreoscrap I mean to say ERROR for the alternative commands, bah lacking energy15:06
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DocScrutinizerhonestly best thing to do is and call "#31#<a phone which displays the number of caller>"15:06
sivangDocScrutinizer: I see.15:06
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psycho_oreoswell yeah both of my SIM cards are no dice here, 1) Crazy John (routes through vodaphone hutchinson australia), 2) virgin mobile (prepaid, routes through optus)15:07
DocScrutinizermaybe it was *31#, this is exactly inverted meaning on landline vs GSM15:07
sivangDocScrutinizer: hmm, the callee phone shows "Private number"15:08
sivangDocScrutinizer: I am going for chem|st 's approach for now15:08
psycho_oreos#31# hides your number when you call15:08
DocScrutinizerI think on GSM *31# is enabling number display, while on landline *31# is enabling *suppression* of display15:08
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psycho_oreosthat's the effect #31# here15:08
sivangDocScrutinizer: okay, let me retry15:08
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JartzaWhat's now in common with Nokia and Apple? No More Jobs.15:10
RST38hunbelieavably funny15:11
psycho_oreosheh kill two birds with one stone15:12
sivangDocScrutinizer: you are a wizard. *31#+972... and number made it15:12
sivangI have the number now15:12
sivangDocScrutinizer: thank you.15:12
DocScrutinizerI should've bought me a nice steak at the butcher 3h ago. Just place it out in the sun, would be exactly rare medium right now15:13
sivangDocScrutinizer: funny that * / # works on my N900, but the representative from BlauWord could not make ti work to recharge it in the shop, she got so angry :)15:13
sivangDocScrutinizer: LOL15:13
MohammadAGwould be well done if you lived here15:13
sivanghey there MohammadAG15:13
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sivangDocScrutinizer: in like 30 minutes15:13
sivangMohammadAG: ;)15:13
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DocScrutinizerhi MohammadAG15:14
sivangme and MohammadAG are having one of the hottest summers this place I think has ever known15:14
sivangwas not so nice to come back from Berlin to this heat...15:14
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sivang(me was at Desktop Summit)15:14
MohammadAGhi DocScrutinizer15:14
ohookinssivang: dude, berlin is boiling today15:14
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sivangohookins: how high?15:14
MohammadAGdefine boiling :p15:14
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN15:14
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infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.08.26 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 62 F (17 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.74 in. Hg (1007 hPa); Relative Humidity: 40%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSE (150 degrees) at 13 MPH (11 KT)15:14
sivangohookins: let have it, it is cloe to 40C here now15:14
ohookins100⁶C ;)15:14
MohammadAGto the power 6?15:15
sivangah, piece of cake.15:15
ohookinsoh, wtf15:15
sivang~weather Tel Aviv15:15
infobotI can't find station code "TEL AVIV" (see or for ICAO locations codes).15:15
ohookinstoo small for my pathetic eyesight15:15
sivang~weather Haifa15:15
infobotI can't find station code "HAIFA" (see or for ICAO locations codes).15:15
sivanghmm, no go :)15:15
ohookinsforecast was for 32, feels hotter than that15:15
* sivang googles15:15
MohammadAGsivang, tlv15:15
MohammadAG~weather TLV15:16
infobotI can't find station code "TLV" (see or for ICAO locations codes).15:16
sivang~weather tlv15:16
infobotI can't find station code "TLV" (see or for ICAO locations codes).15:16
MohammadAGinfobot, screw you15:16
* infobot asks you to bend over15:16
RST38h.IL weather stations have been removed as an antiterrorist measure15:16
DocScrutinizer~wiki icao15:17
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox United Nations | name = International Civil Aviation Organization | image = Flag of ICAO.svg | image size = 150px | caption = The ICAO flag | type = UN agency | acronyms = ICAOOACIИКАОإيكاو | head = Raymond Benjamin | status = active | established = April 1947 | website = {{URL|}} | headquarters = Montreal, Canada | parent = | subsidiaries = | footnotes = }} ...15:17
sivangRST38h: are you serious? holy mom of god15:18
MohammadAGi doubt he is :p15:18
sivangwe live in a war zone! Maaaa!..... :)15:18
* sivang goes to cry in the corner15:18
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MohammadAGoh so that's why the N900 wasn't released in israel15:18
MohammadAGit has a broken temperature sensor15:19
RST38hMommy, it is dark here! There are sheds! There are cows! We are gonna die, mommy!!!15:19
sivangRST38h: +115:19
sivangI want a weather station!15:19
drj_crohi..can any1 help with camera problem,today i got message Memory is full,unable to save content.have 18G free on storage15:20
sivanghmm so just 32c?15:20
sivangwell, it is less humid in berlin.15:20
sivangBerlin is better anyways :)15:20
RST38hdepends on your point of reference15:21
DocScrutinizer~weather LLBG15:21
infobotBen-Gurion International Airport, Israel; (LLBG) 32-00N 034-54E 49M; last updated: 2011.08.26 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 68 F (20 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.74 in. Hg (1007 hPa); Relative Humidity: 49%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT)15:21
RST38hto me, it is about 15oC higher than it should be15:21
sivangI was so lucky to "participate: in 3 bachlorette parties on the U-Bhan15:21
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RST38hWhy on the U-bahn? Are those bachelorettes jumping in front of the train or what?15:22
MohammadAGsivang, how's haifa?15:22
sivangthey invted me to drink (well, they were holding the bottle) and they almost tried to fix me one of their still single blonds15:22
sivangRST38h: LOL15:22
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RST38hBy "still", do you mean the post-train-jump one?15:22
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sivangMohammadAG: So, it is damn hot,  I am thinking going to the mountain of Haifa U to get some fresh air (I live northern to haifa, where the pollution from the refineries is imminent)15:23
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MohammadAGgoing to technion on sunday15:23
sivangRST38h: no dude, they were on the way to Soda Club or Altecantina and were drinking on the U-Bahn15:24
sivangMohammadAG: you are!15:24
sivangMohammadAG: wow, are you starting to study?15:24
sivangMohammadAG: I mean, enrolled in studies?15:24
MohammadAGmchina for now15:24
sivangMohammadAG: You just made me excited like an old polish jewish mother15:24
sivangMohammadAG: dude, you ROCK.15:24
RST38hMohammadAG: Do they still disable Unix accounts for everyone logged in on Saturday?15:24
sivangMohammadAG: but please make sure you don't have a life during the MECHINA15:24
sivangMohammadAG: I want you to be able to get to any faculty you like15:25
MohammadAGmake sure I don't?15:25
MohammadAGRST38h, lol15:25
sivangMohammadAG: also, there's the amazing HOF GACARMEL beach you should go to15:25
RST38hMohammad: I am not joking though15:25
sivangMohammadAG: that would probably my only miss if I relocate to Finland or germany one day15:25
sivangMohammadAG: eer, sorry15:26
sivangMohammadAG: make sure you don't have life, so you can concentrate on studies15:26
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sivangMohammadAG: the mechina is hard, but is possible15:26
MohammadAGRST38h, they do that?15:26
sivangMohammadAG: I mean, you are 1000x times smarter than me so you'd make it no sweat.15:26
RST38hMOhammadAG: Around 1999 they did15:26
MohammadAGsivang, idk hebrew though :p15:27
sivangMohammadAG: idk ?15:27
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RST38hMOhammadAG: Seen a list of blocked accounts with reasons attached, 70% was "worked during Shabbat"15:27
infobotit has been said that idk is I don't know15:27
sivangMohammadAG: you know Hebrew , you mean?15:27
MohammadAGI passed the entry hebrew exam. but that's about it15:27
sivangMohammadAG: didn;'t they ask you to do a math test ?15:27
sivangMohammadAG: very stupid perliminary math test they do15:27
MohammadAGRST38h, err, i should take my own laptop then15:28
sivangMohammadAG: I never heard unix accounts disabled15:28
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sivangMohammadAG: well, mine was never disabled15:28
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MohammadAGsivang, only one maths test15:28
sivangMohammadAG: and I always worked on shabbas :)15:28
sivangMohammadAG: yes, that's enough15:28
sivangMohammadAG: 9 months mechina? or genious mechina of 6 months?15:28
MohammadAGthen you're not kosher! :p15:28
RST38hProbably just some fucked up BOFH looking for a reason15:29
sivangMohammadAG: I was never kosher ;)15:29
RST38hChances of him staying there since 1999 are nil =)15:29
MohammadAG9 months :p15:29
sivangMohammadAG: good, it will leave you some room for life.15:29
sivangMohammadAG: there's great HAIFUX meeting btw15:29
sivangif they still run there.15:29
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sivangand in general there's a lot of unix's all over15:30
sivangso it is nice15:30
MohammadAGimma need a car in haifa15:30
sivang(redhats, solaris )15:30
MohammadAGi hate public transportation15:30
* sivang dislilkes solaris15:30
* sivang is so excited for MohammadAG studies in Technion15:30
sivangMohammadAG: pub transport in hafia is hell15:31
sivangI prefer Berlin :)15:31
sivang(or Munchen for that matter)15:31
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sivangOr finland's trams :)15:31
sivangMohammadAG: we could start our N950 hacking club perhaps.15:31
sivangMohammadAG: and try to get technionistas interested15:31
RST38hWith a membership of one?15:32
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sivangRST38h: two :|15:32
ohookinsso with all the irc love happening at the moment (seems like people are finally awake) can anybody tell me if X-Fade actually watches the channel or is just permanently lurking?15:32
RST38htwo, yes15:32
ohookinsRST38h: three ;)15:32
sivangohookins: he is here15:32
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ohookinssivang: and alive?15:33
RST38hX-Fade is prety much alive15:33
sivangohookins: watching and participating actively, I guess he's on a vacation or a day without compupter or something15:33
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sivangohookins: the liveliest maemo member, just like DocScrutinizer15:33
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sivangohookins: very passionate as well, I spoke to him in Dublin15:33
ohookinssivang: would you know if anybody else aside from X-Fade has access to fix dependency problems in the maemo package system?15:33
sivang(last time I saw him in real lief)15:33
RST38hohookins: no15:34
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade is rarely responding to pings in this channel lately15:35
ohookinsi noticed, from my brief look through the irc logs15:35
DocScrutinizerseems his focus moved to meego15:35
ohookinsfair enough, i want to get a few things built and released to extras for fremantle before i move on to harmattan15:36
ohookinswould anybody be able to point me where i can find his email address or some useful site maintainer alias?15:36
sivangohookins: email him15:37
* sivang tries to dig out15:37
sivanghmm I forgot his real name dammit15:37
ohookinsif you have the general format ( i have it15:38
ohookinsniels breet15:38
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DocScrutinizer~pager X-Fade15:44
DocScrutinizerthought as much15:44
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ohookinsthink i've found it15:46
DocScrutinizer~X-Fade's pager15:46
DocScrutinizerthought as much15:46
DocScrutinizer~timriker's pager15:46
infobotit has been said that timriker's pager is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org15:46
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DocScrutinizer~+help page15:50
infobot   Desc: Send someone a pager message15:50
infobot  Usage: page <who> <message>15:50
infobotExample: page infobot you rock!15:50
infobotNOTE: this uses the "<who>'s pager" factoids for the From: and To: addresses of the format "example's pager" is ""15:50
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MohammadAGpage MohammadAG sup15:52
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psycho_oreos~page MohammadAG o.O15:52
infobotSorry, I don't know MohammadAG's email address.15:52
MohammadAGinfobot, $5015:53
* infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag off15:53
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MohammadAGoh nice, the events view has a weather widget in newer version15:55
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edheldilAsking X-Fade is needed to get a package to extras-devel?15:56
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ohookinsedheldil: i can't promote one of my packages from extras-devel to extras-testing because the package system is finding false broken dependencies15:59
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edheldilah, ok15:59
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DocScrutinizerpage command is broken anyway in infobot16:02
DocScrutinizerso nevermind16:02
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meceany shellscripters around? Need a quickie16:08
psycho_oreosdepends on what you need16:09
mecea loop that issues a command with the i variable in the command and a sleep 6 in it.16:09
psycho_oreosfor i in `foo`; do foo $i && sleep; done <----?16:10
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psycho_oreoss/sleep/sleep 6/16:10
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: for i in `foo`; do foo $i && sleep 6; done <----?16:10
mecepsycho_oreos, I'll input a number of times I want it done16:10
meceI don't have foo16:10
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psycho_oreosfoo was an example to replace whatever command it is that you want it to run16:11
ohookinsfor i in `seq 1 x` ...16:11
ohookinswhere x is the number you want16:11
mecei want this: for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) { /bin/asdfboink; sleep 6; }16:11
ohookinsor seq 0 x16:12
mecefor (i = 0; i < 100; i++) { /bin/asdfboink/i; sleep 6; }16:12
meceinserted the i there.16:12
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ohookinsfor i in `seq 1 100`; do /bin/asdfboink/${i}; sleep 6; done16:12
edheldilseq 0 99, actually16:13
meceohookins, ok, thanks I'll try that16:13
ohookinsif you need it 0 indexed use $((i-1))16:14
ohookinsor seq 0 9916:14
DocScrutinizermece: nonono, that's incorrect: bash syntax is for ((i = 0; i < 100; i++)) do; /bin/asdfboink; sleep 6; done;16:15
DocScrutinizermece: nonono, that's incorrect: bash syntax is for ((i = 0; i < 100; i++)) do; /bin/asdfboink/$i; sleep 6; done;16:16
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DocScrutinizerfor ((i = 0; i < 100; i++)); do /bin/asdfboink/$i; sleep 6; done;16:19
sivangwhy does the N900 reject phone nubmer *100# ?16:20
sivang(this is blauworld request for credit balance)16:20
DocScrutinizerphone number?16:20
DocScrutinizer(get *#-ena though USSD are supposed to work without *#-ena since PR1.3)16:21
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DocScrutinizersometimes rtcom-dialer-ui chokes. killall rtcom-dialer-ui usually fixes that16:22
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DocScrutinizer(yes it's safe, unless you do it in a while true loop)16:22
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DocScrutinizerkillall -9 even16:23
sivangDocScrutinizer: lol16:23
sivangDocScrutinizer: it says it is 'bad phone number'16:23
DocScrutinizersivang: no kidding16:23
sivangyou cannot not love the wording... (see me and timeless's talk from 2010)16:24
* sivang terminals16:24
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DocScrutinizero.O .oO(???)16:24
sivangI mean,16:25
sivang'opening the terminal"16:25
sivangDocScrutinizer: I know for you terminals have an electric meaning :-D16:25
sivang"enable RD mode if you want to break your device"16:25
sivangI flashed latest FW and it now won't let me in root?16:25
DocScrutinizerget rootsh!!!!16:25
* sivang installs16:25
DocScrutinizerget *#-ena!16:26
sivangDocScrutinizer: I thought I had reinstalled all my packages16:26
DocScrutinizerobviously not16:26
chem|stsivang: terminals have something to do with aero for me16:27
* DocScrutinizer insists on getting appointed "ranter of the month" in next Nokia developer newsletter16:27
sivangchem|st: heh16:27
sivangDocScrutinizer: LOL16:27
sivangDocScrutinizer: yes, so only part of the package list was backed up, interesting16:28
chem|stairport terminal16:28
sivangDocScrutinizer: is ssh server on a community repo? (please say no)16:28
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sivangchem|st: :)16:28
chem|stbad wifi airport terminal16:28
DocScrutinizernot that I knew of16:28
DocScrutinizerssh is in extras even16:28
chem|stsivang: openssh is in extras16:29
sivangDocScrutinizer: oh okay, I can now enable repo "in a click"16:29
sivangno need to add it in manually16:29
sivangDocScrutinizer: oh16:29
* sivang rereads
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sivangstarhash in non extras, yay! no manual intervention so far16:31
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DocScrutinizererrwhat? *# should be in extras. Even fist on top of list "all"16:32
psycho_oreossounds like someone has been out of the loop for awhile ;) --> sivang16:33
DocScrutinizer(this was not intentional but a nice side-effect of changing the beauty name)16:33
chem|st~slap sivang16:33
* infobot slaps sivang, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!16:33
chem|st~apocalypse is THE-END16:34
infobotchem|st: okay16:34
DocScrutinizer~listkeys *calyp*16:34
infobotFactoid search of '*calyp*' by key (3): oldtest apocalypse ;; apocalypse ;; eucalyptus.16:34
infobotAdvanced MIME email program. URL:
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chem|stah that16:34
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chem|st~forget apocalypse16:35
infobotchem|st: i forgot apocalypse16:35
RST38hhey, bring back the apocalypse16:35
* sivang .oO(stupid! Extras is the only repo there)16:35
DocScrutinizer~unforget apocalypse16:35
infobotDocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'apocalypse'.  Have fun now.16:35
DocScrutinizeras you wish, massa RST38h16:36
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sivangpsycho_oreos: and you are terribly right, I take all the blame.16:36
DocScrutinizer~forget apocalyps*16:36
infobotDocScrutinizer: i didn't have anything called 'apocalyps*' to forget16:36
sivangluckily, this is one of the friendliest channels out there.16:36
DocScrutinizer~forget apocalypse16:36
infoboti forgot apocalypse, DocScrutinizer16:36
sivangbeen too much with MeeGo, that's why :)16:36
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DocScrutinizersivang: (friendly chan) there are other notions on that ;-P16:37
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meceDocScrutinizer, can I have spaces in the do command?16:38
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mecewell I need the following:16:39
sivangwell, for me it is friendly ;)16:39
RST38hahhh, feeling satisfied now...16:39
mecedo /bin/something -a -x $i16:39
ohookinseach command is only delimited by ;16:40
meceok thanks16:40
sivangRST38h: :)16:40
sivangDocScrutinizer: doc, still getting 'bad number'16:40
sivangstarhash is installed16:40
psycho_oreossivang, o.O16:40
sivangkillall'd -9 for rtcomm-call-ui16:40
DocScrutinizermece: sth like >> for ((i = 0; i < 35; i++)); do case $i in 1*|3*) echo $i; esac; done   ?16:40
meceDocScrutinizer, wth?16:41
DocScrutinizeraaah that16:41
DocScrutinizerthough you meant sparse iterator16:41
meceno I just want to execute a command with parameters 100 times 6 seconds apart16:41
DocScrutinizeryeah, misinterpereted "spaces"16:42
DocScrutinizerof course you can have as many commands of whatever syntax is valid, between do; and done;16:42
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mecenew lines are ok I suppose.16:43
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DocScrutinizerunless inmidst a command and its parameters16:43
mecewait I'll paste what I have.16:43
* sivang reboots16:43
* sivang does it the WP7 way16:43
DocScrutinizersivang: should work insatntly after installing *#-ena16:44
DocScrutinizermece: #!/bin/sh -> #!/bin/bash16:45
mecehmm didn't work.16:45
meceit's running...16:46
meceI guess I need to check if it's doing it's job...16:46
DocScrutinizeralso for readabilita please place the do token at end of for(()) line16:46
DocScrutinizeror on a separate line16:46
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DocScrutinizeradd a simple >>  echo "this is run #$i" << somewhere inside the do; done16:47
DocScrutinizerfor "need to check if it's doing it's job..."16:48
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DocScrutinizerre: (<DocScrutinizer> page command is broken anyway in infobot)  nope, actually works, just throws error18:20
DocScrutinizernicofs: hmmm, too bad. Often the validation mails bounce, as the way they are sent triggers all sorts of graylisting mechanisms, rDNS checks failing, etc18:22
DocScrutinizerfirst check your spam folder18:22
nicofsDocScrutinizer, I checked everything i could access...18:22
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DocScrutinizercould you try to log in and send a "I forgot my password" action? It's supposed to send a new message with a verification-alike URL to reset your password18:24
nicofsDocScrutinizer, done that...18:25
DocScrutinizerI sometimes had to revert to using another mail account temporarily, then after confirming my tmo account I changed the mail addr18:25
DocScrutinizerduh, and also make sure you use firefox as there seems to be issues with the registration process when using "non-standard browsers"18:26
DocScrutinizerenable cookies!18:26
DocScrutinizerit's a notorious PITA18:27
nicofsDocScrutinizer, aaah... i have cookies and chromium... will retry with ff...18:27
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nicofsstill nothing18:33
nicofscan someone delete the account so that i can try again with another mail?18:33
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DocScrutinizeralas I think the one who could is hard to reach18:51
DocScrutinizeranyway accounts that aren't confirmed should expire in some days18:51
DocScrutinizerannoying - yes18:51
DocScrutinizerI think I had 3 or 4 accounts at times18:52
DocScrutinizerfor that exact reason18:52
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DocScrutinizernicofs: give tmo some time to process all the heavy work it seems to do ;-D. Sometimes it's really massively overloaded and sending out mails might take hours then18:55
nicofshmm... then I'll check back tomorrow...18:55
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DocScrutinizeractually loading pages is slow like geotectonics here atm19:18
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nid0hm, touchpads are actually not half bad19:40
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, pita is pain in the ass, or a bread-like food20:24
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sivangstill no way to use *# phones22:11
ShadowJKstarhash enabler?22:12
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RST38hShouldn't the last PR have fixed it???22:12
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sivangShadowJK: yes, great to see you again22:39
sivangRST38h, ShadowJK : I installed it still no go.22:39
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ShadowJKDid you install it with application manager or with fapman or with apt-get?22:45
DocScrutinizer*# need HAM for installation22:48
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DocScrutinizeror simply edit the config file, like *# does ;-)22:49
DocScrutinizer*# is the only app with a 0 byte binary ;-D22:50
DocScrutinizerwell, maybe rootsh is similar22:50
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DocScrutinizerecho -e "[supplementary]\nssc=1\n" >/home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini22:54
DocScrutinizeryou should first check if it's already there22:54
DocScrutinizercat /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini22:54
DocScrutinizerthat's basically all *#-ena does22:55
ShadowJKI guess it doesn't work with the "check credit balance" type things?22:55
ShadowJKin that you don't see any replies?22:55
DocScrutinizeraiui sivang claimed it says "not a valid phone number" which sounds like a local response, not a network born response22:56
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DocScrutinizerfurthermore I seems to me sivang mentioned a reseller that uses O2 network, and I know in O2 which happens to be my provider as well the *100# should result in a response showing a menu22:58
DocScrutinizersivang: please tesat *#67#22:58
DocScrutinizersivang: PING?!22:59
DocScrutinizerRST38h: yes, PR1.3 should have fixed USSD23:00
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DocScrutinizerI.E. all the 3-digit codes should work even without *#-ena23:00
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DocScrutinizerseems to me like sivang maybe hasn't really flashed PR1.3 ?23:01
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DocScrutinizeror it's PEBKAC23:02
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DocScrutinizeri.e. the code is actually not supported, or the phone not even registered in to home network23:03
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vi__sent my n900 for repair.  the bastards sent me an n8 back.23:17
vi__wtf am i supposed to with an n8?23:17
vi__before you say 'sell it on ebay'23:18
vi__ebay or amaxon BOTH take 10%23:18
vi__who wants to buy an n8?23:19
DocScrutinizervi__: refuse to accept the N8, insist on a N90023:20
vi__who do i refuse to?23:20
hiemanshureturn it back to them23:20
hiemanshuwant N900 or N923:20
DocScrutinizerto the shop/center you got the N8 from?23:20
vi__what like take it back?23:21
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ShadowJKInsist that they made a mistake, that you sent/brought in a N900 for repair, and that you want an N90023:22
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cehtehor ask them to install maemo on the n8 :)23:41
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