IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-08-25

*** Smily has joined #maemo00:03
*** mardi has quit IRC00:03
*** sirdancealot has quit IRC00:11
javispedroW. T. F.00:11
javispedrothe Android guys are completely crazy00:11
javispedrocompletely, completely.00:11
javispedronote: mute speakers, protect your eyes.00:12
*** keithzg has quit IRC00:12
*** sirdancealot has joined #maemo00:14
javispedroand as usual, the entire thing exploded into a rather giant flamewar, and I wasn't even there! shame, I had popcorn around.00:21
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC00:25
*** Necc has quit IRC00:25
*** Atarii has quit IRC00:25
*** DrGrov has joined #maemo00:34
*** choppa has quit IRC00:35
*** DeadHedge has joined #maemo00:36
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, Android is so lame.00:38
GeneralAntillesWhat an idiotic video.00:38
* GeneralAntilles wonders about web applications that can't handle more than one open window.00:38
javispedronote that the harmattan ui guidelines force single window apps too :(00:39
javispedrowith a few exceptions: conversations, mail.00:40
GeneralAntillesWell, that's a mobile device00:40
* javispedro filed a bug as the browser is not on that list.00:40
DeadHedgeJust got my n900 and I have to say, this is the single most awsome phone ever :)00:40
GeneralAntillesit's something completely different for a complicated web interface.00:40
*** zap_ has quit IRC00:40
*** piggz has joined #maemo00:40
GeneralAntillesDeadHedge, welcome to the 21st century.00:40
DeadHedgePft :)00:41
DeadHedgeLinux has been dead to me for quite some time but this has sparked my interest again00:43
*** rd has joined #maemo00:44
*** ferdna has quit IRC00:44
GeneralAntillesThis is, hopefully, the future.00:44
GeneralAntillesProblem with desktop Linux is that most of the distributions don't actually have customers.00:44
*** githogori has quit IRC00:45
GeneralAntillesNokia doesn't suffer from that00:45
rdI crashed my display and had to replace it. After restart it asked me for the time again (maybe because it was too long without battery?).00:45
rdI was surprised that the N900 is not capable to fetch the time on its own.00:45
rdDo I explicityly have to install openrdate or a similar package?00:45
*** markinfo has joined #maemo00:46
rdIs there no way to get the time from the 2G/3G network? At least from GPS it should be possible.00:46
rdWhat do you use?00:46
GeneralAntillesIt fetches time from the cell network just fine here.00:46
GeneralAntillesIs your backup battery dead?00:46
DeadHedgesettings - time / date00:47
DeadHedgeupdate automatically00:47
javispedrord: your network might be wonky00:47
DeadHedgeworks great00:47
*** markinfo has quit IRC00:47
javispedroyou can find packages for gps time sync around (don't remember anyone of the top of my head)00:47
javispedroalso rdate works00:48
*** rm_you| has joined #maemo00:48
*** neal` has joined #maemo00:49
DeadHedgebtw; is there a problem with the bat. app. it keeps asking about apmd00:49
DeadHedgethen i have to boot my phone00:49
*** neal` is now known as neal00:49
javispedrowhat bat app?00:50
*** yigal has joined #maemo00:50
rdI tried rdate, yes worked for me as well.00:51
rdDeadHedge, thanks for the pointer to settings, it was disabled.00:51
cehtehadvance power monitor? .. who needs that? :P00:51
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo00:51
DeadHedgeadvanced power00:51
DeadHedgerd, np00:52
rdGeneralAntilles, thanks for the pointer to the backup battery. Maybe not only the display, but also the backup battery broke :-(00:52
DeadHedgewhats wrong with advancwd power?00:52
javispedrothe backup battery has been discharged/broken on mine since day 100:53
javispedroso I wouldn't worry00:53
rdjavispedro, that means everytime you remove your battery, the nokia lost all its settings?00:54
cehtehthey could saved some weight (1gramm) and some money (10 cent) by leaving it out .. it never worked anyways00:54
javispedrono, only time00:54
javispedro& date.00:54
FIQ|n900Hm, how does N900 maintain the clock, through the battery?00:54
rdAt least here it tells me it is january 1st, 2009.00:54
*** e-yes has quit IRC00:54
FIQ|n900The time clock00:54
FIQ|n900not cpu/whatever00:54
javispedroit does have a battery and rtc00:55
cehtehis there a ntpdate package without installing ntpd?00:55
javispedrouse rdate00:55
rdjavispedro, but does it also disable the automatically update date?00:55
javispedrord: I don't remember00:55
cehtehthen doing that on bootup should fix it00:55
FIQ|n900because everytime my SIM feels like sleeping, and i have to wiggle it a bit, I have to reset it :D00:55
javispedrodate from 2g/3g network is broken here, but I blame my provider.00:55
rdcehteh, nice idea.00:56
cehtehthe 'automatic' timesetting is always 2 minutes off for me, anyone of you know how that works?00:56
SpeedEvilHere too. (tmobile)00:56
SpeedEvilIf you co and look at syslog - you seee that it gets a date of 0/0/100 from the network00:56
rdDo you know if there is a dbus command to enable the automatic update?00:56
DeadHedgehow is meego compared to maemo?00:56
cehtehwould be nice when it could use gps as timesource00:56
rdDoes anybody know where the backup battery is located?00:57
javispedrocehteh: I'm quite sure someoen did a package for that00:57
rdI did not see it while looking through the service manual.00:57
cehtehsomewhere on the motherboard00:57
cehtehits tiny and not replaceable (well some soldering, prolly doable but not even worth the effort for an enthusiast and geel)00:57
fainaDeadHedge the 1.2CE meego version I tried on my N900 seemed slow, but it was in's still in active development. And I missed the N900's task switching00:57
*** retro|cz has quit IRC00:58
DeadHedgefaina: ok, ty00:58
cehtehrd: nice00:58
fainaI don't have opinions about the N9 variant of Meego00:59
fainaOther than to curse microsoft00:59
rdok, let me rechare my n900 until tomorrow. And then I test again, how long the date survives without battery.01:00
*** DeadHedge has quit IRC01:01
cehteh10 secs :P01:01
cehtehmaybe less01:01
cehtehwe all have this problem :P01:01
*** piggz has quit IRC01:03
*** yigal has quit IRC01:03
*** lardman has quit IRC01:04
*** paroneayea has quit IRC01:05
*** FireFly has quit IRC01:06
*** e-yes has joined #maemo01:07
*** Juozapas has quit IRC01:07
*** Juozapas has joined #maemo01:07
*** mase_76 has quit IRC01:08
*** Sc0rpius has quit IRC01:10
*** paroneayea has joined #maemo01:12
*** blackthorne has quit IRC01:12
*** larsivi has quit IRC01:15
*** net-split has quit IRC01:17
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo01:18
*** deimos_ has quit IRC01:23
*** messerting has quit IRC01:23
*** Sc0rpius has joined #maemo01:23
*** paroneayea has quit IRC01:25
*** paroneayea has joined #maemo01:26
*** nox- has joined #maemo01:32
*** hannesw has quit IRC01:36
*** scoobertron has quit IRC01:37
*** andre__ has quit IRC01:38
*** hannesw has joined #maemo01:38
*** befrod has joined #maemo01:42
*** mece1 has quit IRC01:46
*** rd has quit IRC01:48
javispedroeither Steve Jobs just resigned, or today's april fools.01:48
*** hannesw has quit IRC01:49
*** Dibblah has quit IRC01:49
*** Dibblah_ has joined #maemo01:49
*** mairas has quit IRC01:51
*** vivijim has joined #maemo01:51
*** mairas has joined #maemo01:51
FIQ|n900and i guess the stock will be sooo screwed up now01:52
FIQ|n900not that i'm a fan of how apple works, but.. yeah, it has clearly succeed01:52
*** Dibblah__ has joined #maemo01:52
NIN101hmm, other sources confirm this.01:53
FIQ|n900since when, 15mins ago?01:53
SpeedEvilThe new CEO will go for meego for iphone 5.01:53
*** Dibblah_ has quit IRC01:53
FIQ|n900of course01:53
*** baraujo has quit IRC01:53
*** lcuk has quit IRC01:55
*** valdyn_ has quit IRC01:55
FIQ|n900let's see how wikipedia will react01:56
FIQ|n900@ edits01:56
FIQ|n900aw, no edit permissions01:57
javispedroalready locked?01:57
javispedrothose wikipedians are gniusess01:57
*** rcg has quit IRC01:57
javispedrobtw, about the Andridiots, even the press is starting to notice they're just a bunch of ...01:58
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC01:59
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo02:01
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo02:02
*** Sickki has joined #maemo02:02
FIQ|n900hrm, sorry for the spam02:03
*** mitsutaka has quit IRC02:03
FIQ|n900N900 though it was a good idea to randomly change to 3G from wifi...02:03
*** DrGrov has left #maemo02:06
*** valdyn_ has joined #maemo02:08
*** mc_teo has joined #maemo02:10
*** Sickki has quit IRC02:16
*** Natunen has quit IRC02:17
*** Spydemon_ has joined #maemo02:21
*** Spydemon has quit IRC02:23
*** Dibblah__ is now known as Dibblah02:23
*** setanta has quit IRC02:24
*** ds3 has quit IRC02:25
*** ds3 has joined #maemo02:27
MohammadAGwould be lulz if some company buys apple02:27
FIQ|n900aand indeed the stock would react negative02:27
FIQ|n900"Breaking News: Apple shares fall 7 percent after CEO Steve Jobs announces resignation"02:27
MohammadAGthat's the start, wait till the EU market wakes up02:28
*** mairas has quit IRC02:28
*** mairas has joined #maemo02:29
* FIQ|n900 thinks it will fall 20%02:31
* SpeedEvil gogles 'how to sell short'02:31
*** InvalidHandle has quit IRC02:32
*** jhb has quit IRC02:33
*** otep has quit IRC02:35
*** Evanescence has joined #maemo02:35
*** licensed has joined #maemo02:38
*** licensed has joined #maemo02:38
*** befrod has quit IRC02:38
*** seeder has joined #maemo02:39
*** beford has joined #maemo02:40
*** otep has joined #maemo02:42
*** OkropNick has quit IRC02:42
*** Spydemon_ has quit IRC02:44
Gh0stylol SpeedEvil :P02:45
Gh0styperhaps tomorrow is an opportunity to buy apple at the end of the day02:45
Gh0styyou get it pretty cheap and after the hype is over it'll probably take off like a rocket again :p02:45
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC02:47
*** licensed has quit IRC02:48
MohammadAGJust when I considered buying an iPod02:49
MohammadAGdamn, should've considered that 2 years ago!02:50
Gh0stywait WHAT?02:50
* SpeedEvil boggles.02:50
* GeneralAntilles ate too much.02:50
Gh0styyou consider buying an ipod?02:50
SpeedEvilApplies market cap is >$1000 for every american.02:50
* Gh0sty takes out the crosses, pitchforks, garlic, silver bullets and torches02:50
Gh0stythink thats about enough to kill anything inhuman02:50
MohammadAGbut, but, I wasn't drunk!02:51
SpeedEvilGh0sty: You should probably specify cold iron pitchforks.02:51
Gh0stycold iron rusty pitchforks02:52
Gh0sty(why cold?)02:52
*** eijk__ has quit IRC02:52
MohammadAGyou don't wanna know02:52
Gh0styelves? :o02:54
*** licensed has joined #maemo02:54
*** licensed has joined #maemo02:54
*** florian has quit IRC02:55
*** Guest84219 has quit IRC02:56
*** npm has quit IRC02:56
*** npm has joined #maemo02:56
*** seeder has quit IRC02:58
*** npm has quit IRC03:01
*** bugzy has quit IRC03:04
*** bugzy has joined #maemo03:05
*** npm has joined #maemo03:06
*** joejoe has quit IRC03:09
*** joejoe has joined #maemo03:10
*** bugzy_ has joined #maemo03:13
*** bugzy has quit IRC03:13
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo03:17
*** fecub has joined #maemo03:19
*** bugzy_ has quit IRC03:23
*** hurbu_ has quit IRC03:24
*** larsivi has joined #maemo03:24
*** bugzy_ has joined #maemo03:25
*** NIN101 has quit IRC03:28
*** willer_ has quit IRC03:29
*** larsivi has quit IRC03:32
*** bugzy_ has quit IRC03:34
*** bugzy_ has joined #maemo03:35
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC03:37
*** licensed has quit IRC03:39
*** bugzylittle has joined #maemo03:43
*** wazd has quit IRC03:44
*** bugzy_ has quit IRC03:44
*** swc|666 has quit IRC03:45
*** dvaske has joined #maemo03:52
*** bugzy has joined #maemo03:53
*** bugzylittle has quit IRC03:53
*** dragly has quit IRC03:59
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:00
*** Jucato has quit IRC04:01
*** beford has quit IRC04:01
*** Evanescence is now known as stardiviner04:02
*** bugzy_ has joined #maemo04:03
*** bugzy has quit IRC04:04
*** Primes has joined #maemo04:05
*** mc_teo has quit IRC04:05
Primeshi, did anyone use the FM transmitter in their n900?04:05
*** dragly has quit IRC04:06
*** beford has joined #maemo04:06
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:06
*** stardiviner is now known as Astrology04:07
*** fecub has quit IRC04:08
*** dragly has quit IRC04:11
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:12
*** faina has quit IRC04:12
*** bugzylittle has joined #maemo04:14
*** bugzy_ has quit IRC04:14
*** dragly has quit IRC04:21
MohammadAGprobably everyone who owns an N90004:21
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:21
*** bugzy has joined #maemo04:24
*** bugzylittle has quit IRC04:25
*** Astrology is now known as info04:26
*** sid__ has joined #maemo04:27
*** dragly has quit IRC04:28
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:29
*** info is now known as Astology04:29
*** sid_ has quit IRC04:30
*** bugzy_ has joined #maemo04:33
*** bugzy has quit IRC04:33
*** dragly has quit IRC04:35
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:35
*** Astology has quit IRC04:39
*** Astrology has joined #maemo04:41
*** jonwil has joined #maemo04:42
*** dragly has quit IRC04:44
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:44
*** Astrology is now known as Evanescence04:45
*** dragly has quit IRC04:53
*** beford has quit IRC04:53
*** dragly has joined #maemo04:54
*** Evanescence has quit IRC04:55
*** Astrology has joined #maemo05:00
*** bugzylittle has joined #maemo05:02
*** Astrology has quit IRC05:03
*** bugzy_ has quit IRC05:03
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo05:04
*** beford has joined #maemo05:06
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:07
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:07
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:07
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:07
*** kW_ has quit IRC05:12
*** bugzy has joined #maemo05:13
*** bugzylittle has quit IRC05:13
*** kthomas_vh_ has joined #maemo05:16
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC05:19
*** nox- has quit IRC05:19
*** dRbiG has quit IRC05:27
*** marthd has joined #maemo05:31
*** b-man` has quit IRC05:37
*** CodenameStrike-N has joined #maemo05:38
*** iluminator101 has joined #maemo05:48
iluminator101my understanding is you can run maemo CE on hp touchpad and then run velvet-ui on top of that, correct me if i am wrong05:50
*** lxp1 has joined #maemo05:52
*** lxp has quit IRC05:54
*** Primes has quit IRC05:55
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo05:57
*** Natunen has joined #maemo06:00
*** dockane has joined #maemo06:01
*** jevin has quit IRC06:01
*** dockane_1 has quit IRC06:02
*** jevin has joined #maemo06:03
*** swc|666_1 has quit IRC06:03
*** swc|666__ has joined #maemo06:03
*** yigal has joined #maemo06:06
*** mairas has quit IRC06:06
*** mairas has joined #maemo06:06
*** mairas_ has joined #maemo06:08
*** mairas has quit IRC06:08
*** radic has quit IRC06:17
*** vivijim has quit IRC06:18
*** Sickki has joined #maemo06:20
*** CodenameStrike-N has quit IRC06:26
*** javispedro has quit IRC06:27
*** swc|666 has quit IRC06:28
*** zap_ has joined #maemo06:29
*** radic has joined #maemo06:33
*** zap_ is now known as zapo06:39
*** zapo is now known as zap06:39
*** kthomas_vh_ has quit IRC06:40
*** mairas_ has quit IRC06:41
*** mairas has joined #maemo06:41
*** Sickki has quit IRC06:55
*** Dibblah has quit IRC06:57
*** Dibblah_ has joined #maemo06:57
*** Sickki has joined #maemo06:59
*** x29a__ has joined #maemo07:00
*** x29a__ has joined #maemo07:01
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo07:01
*** Kaptenen has quit IRC07:01
*** Kaptenen has joined #maemo07:01
*** asjo has quit IRC07:02
*** asjo has joined #maemo07:02
*** x29a_ has quit IRC07:03
*** Le-Shrak has joined #maemo07:05
*** Le-Shrak has left #maemo07:06
*** Le-Shrak has joined #maemo07:07
*** Le-Shrak has left #maemo07:08
*** Le-Shrak has joined #maemo07:09
*** Le-Shrak has left #maemo07:09
*** Roomerlol has joined #maemo07:14
*** mece1 has joined #maemo07:24
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC07:30
*** iluminator101 has quit IRC07:30
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo07:31
*** hardaker has quit IRC07:33
*** bugzy has quit IRC07:38
*** bugzy_ has joined #maemo07:38
*** psycho_oreos has joined #maemo07:40
*** CiroIp has quit IRC07:40
*** KMFDM has joined #maemo07:44
*** asktoby_ has joined #maemo07:49
*** bugzy_ has quit IRC07:50
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo07:50
*** asktoby has quit IRC07:52
*** jpinx is now known as jpinx-out08:02
*** noir23 has quit IRC08:02
*** Astrology has joined #maemo08:05
*** yigal has quit IRC08:06
*** Astrology is now known as Evanescence08:07
*** Evanescence is now known as stardiviner08:08
*** stardiviner has quit IRC08:08
*** jevin has quit IRC08:09
*** jevin has joined #maemo08:10
*** Sickki has quit IRC08:12
*** Astrology has joined #maemo08:13
*** Astrology has quit IRC08:16
*** lardman has joined #maemo08:19
*** lardman has quit IRC08:19
*** lardman has joined #maemo08:19
*** faina has joined #maemo08:27
*** Astrology has joined #maemo08:30
*** zap has quit IRC08:39
*** piggz has joined #maemo08:41
*** hannesw has joined #maemo08:42
*** antman8969 has joined #maemo08:45
*** Roomerlol has quit IRC08:46
*** mairas has quit IRC08:49
*** mairas has joined #maemo08:49
*** mairas has quit IRC08:50
*** mairas has joined #maemo08:50
*** antman8969 has quit IRC08:51
*** piggz has quit IRC08:53
*** Astrology has quit IRC08:54
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC08:55
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC08:58
*** mairas has quit IRC09:02
*** mairas has joined #maemo09:02
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo09:08
*** mairas has quit IRC09:09
*** mairas has joined #maemo09:09
*** schend has joined #maemo09:12
*** Wikier has joined #maemo09:13
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo09:13
*** KrayonWork has joined #maemo09:15
*** mairas has quit IRC09:15
*** sq-one has joined #maemo09:15
*** mairas has joined #maemo09:15
*** schend has quit IRC09:17
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC09:19
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC09:21
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo09:21
*** calvaris has joined #maemo09:24
*** mairas has quit IRC09:32
*** mairas has joined #maemo09:32
*** rcg has joined #maemo09:32
*** tackat has joined #maemo09:32
*** net-split has joined #maemo09:39
*** faina has quit IRC09:40
*** elzalem has joined #maemo09:41
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo09:42
*** Sickki has joined #maemo09:43
*** Astrology has joined #maemo09:45
*** mairas has quit IRC09:46
*** mairas has joined #maemo09:46
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC09:49
*** InvalidHandle has joined #maemo09:50
*** nmjnb has joined #maemo09:51
*** eMHa has quit IRC09:55
*** klasu_ has joined #maemo09:56
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo10:02
*** swc|666 has quit IRC10:02
*** mairas has quit IRC10:02
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:03
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC10:03
*** konttori_work has joined #maemo10:06
*** sq-one has quit IRC10:06
*** andrenarchy has joined #maemo10:07
*** lcuk has joined #maemo10:07
*** lcuk has quit IRC10:07
*** lcuk has joined #maemo10:07
*** andrenarchy has left #maemo10:07
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo10:10
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo10:12
*** beford has quit IRC10:13
*** mairas has quit IRC10:14
*** GNUton-BNC has quit IRC10:14
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:14
*** GNUton-BNC has joined #maemo10:14
*** tackat has quit IRC10:15
*** eijk has joined #maemo10:17
*** Sickki has quit IRC10:20
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC10:24
*** Sickki has joined #maemo10:25
*** Mek has quit IRC10:26
*** eMHa has joined #maemo10:26
*** khertan has joined #maemo10:27
*** kkoehne_ has quit IRC10:27
*** mairas has quit IRC10:27
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:27
*** Mek has joined #maemo10:28
chem|stDocScrutinizer: nvm the codes should all work since pr1.210:28
*** bergie_ has joined #maemo10:28
*** utanapischti has quit IRC10:29
DocScrutinizerthe 3 digit USSD codes yes. Not so the 2digit SC10:29
*** sasquatch has joined #maemo10:29
*** InvalidHandle has quit IRC10:30
chem|stDocScrutinizer: some like *96#?10:30
chem|stwasnt that to get the device serial or some10:30
*** mairas has quit IRC10:30
DocScrutinizernfc what's 9610:30
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:31
DocScrutinizergenerally queries are with a leading *#10:31
psycho_oreos*#06# is imei, *96# is probably SIM contacts10:31
DocScrutinizerwhile "on"=*10:31
DocScrutinizerand "off"=#10:31
*** jhb has joined #maemo10:31
*** jevin has quit IRC10:31
chem|stI tried all codes my provider makes use of and I could ever need and even the *<somedigits>*<myphonenumber>*<2digits># worked to change the combox timeout10:33
DocScrutinizer["*" "#" "*#"]NN[("*"<param>)]* "#"10:33
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo10:34
chem|stphones still use all this stuff but the user doesn't see it anymore10:34
chem|stbut there was a mess with fwd'ish behaviour was it?10:34
*** jevin has joined #maemo10:35
chem|stpsycho_oreos: hmm thought it was one of the s/n things, not imei, the SIM SN or something10:35
chem|stimei is the chips networkserial10:35
chem|stgot no device handy where those work10:37
*** larsivi has joined #maemo10:37
DocScrutinizersee tmo thread (aka "bugtracker") of *#-ena10:37
khertani know i ll be out of topic ... but what is the lifetime of a sd card ?10:38
DocScrutinizerthe referred paper has it all10:38
khertanDvd backup aren't real backup ... (unreadable after one year)10:38
DocScrutinizeraaah stoarge durability10:39
khertanyeah ...10:39
khertani m facing a problem now10:39
DocScrutinizerprobably >5 years10:39
khertanhum ... not so bad10:39
DocScrutinizersoe at a cool place10:39
DocScrutinizerit's electrical charge that can vanish over time10:39
* khertan is thinking of buying a few 8Gb sd card to do backup10:39
DocScrutinizerstore* DANG10:40
DocScrutinizerbetter use good old magnetic HDD10:40
khertanelectrical charge could vanish even stored in a protected bag ?10:40
DocScrutinizersupposed lifespan shelf storage >30 years10:40
khertanDocScrutinizer, yeah ... supposed10:40
*** mairas has quit IRC10:40
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:41
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC10:41
khertanDocScrutinizer, i got one the both drive i use for the backup which died10:41
*** psycho_oreos has quit IRC10:41
khertanit was written 5 or 6 time ...10:41
DocScrutinizerfrom stowing away in a shelf for years? unlikely10:42
khertanand wasn't use seens 1 years ...10:42
*** mairas has quit IRC10:42
khertanwhen use it ... power ... pouf ...10:42
khertancontroller card died :)10:42
khertanso yeah data is still here10:42
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:42
DocScrutinizeryou can replace controller though10:42
khertani recover them10:42
chem|stkhertan: some like 10k-100k ZERO bits10:42
*** psycho_oreos has joined #maemo10:42
DocScrutinizercontrollers also have flash storage which will vanish after 5..20 years, so yeah :-S10:43
chem|stkhertan: I killd on on first sight, the second after a month, 1TB backup disk10:43
DocScrutinizerwhile data on magnetic media survives for centuries, your controller is prone to "die" from vanishing firmware after "short" time10:44
chem|stand the crank people had not attached a sata-usb adapter they put an usb-controller on to the 2.5" disk10:44
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo10:45
*** murrayc has joined #maemo10:45
khertanso there is no real way to store things10:46
*** jpe has joined #maemo10:46
khertanwithout copying them on new storage every years10:47
chem|stkhertan: write with "real" ink on pyruspaper survived centuries10:47
khertani mean digital things10:48
chem|stthe worse is CD or DVD burning10:48
khertani didn't see any printer which are able to print video on pyruspaper :)10:48
khertanchem|st, yep i know10:48
chem|stafter that is usb-pendrives10:48
chem|stthen ssd10:48
chem|stthen print DVD10:48
chem|stthen hdd10:49
khertanusb pendrives isn't secure .... specially with all bad chineese chipset10:49
khertanhdd ...10:49
chem|stleaving out the casettes /dev/null things...10:49
psycho_oreosyou could do what the egyptians et. al. have done for centuries, carving words onto stone bricks :p they will last almost an eternity10:50
chem|stbest is SOTA hdd attached when backup time is and stored on a shelf far away from microwaves and othe e-magnetic things10:50
*** psycho_oreos has left #maemo10:51
chem|stpsycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets...10:51
*** psycho_oreos has joined #maemo10:51
psycho_oreoswtf wrong keys.. anyway.. SOTA?10:51
chem|stpsycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets...10:51
chem|ststate of the art10:51
psycho_oreoschem|st, not if you build a city of data underground and have all these writings carved beneath earth's surface ;)10:52
chem|stas long as there is pci I will be able to look at my backups back from 199210:52
khertanyeah but will not resist to an earth quake10:53
*** mairas has quit IRC10:53
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:53
*** klasu_ has quit IRC10:54
chem|st5 1/4" x2 HDD 32A starting current^^ scsi210:54
psycho_oreosstrategically located `data stones' where they are nowhere near the fault lines can be deemed almost invulnerable ;)10:54
chem|styou have to set the controller to spinup dealy of 500ms or you kill one PSU after another10:54
*** andre__ has joined #maemo10:55
*** andre__ has quit IRC10:55
*** andre__ has joined #maemo10:55
*** konttori_work_ has joined #maemo11:01
*** konttori_work has quit IRC11:01
*** konttori_work_ is now known as konttori_work11:01
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC11:03
*** mairas has quit IRC11:03
*** mairas has joined #maemo11:03
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo11:07
*** larsivi has quit IRC11:07
*** wazd has joined #maemo11:08
*** OkropNick has joined #maemo11:08
DocScrutinizer51konttori_work: morning :)11:10
SpeedEvilchem|st: Starting current if 5 1/4" HDs was nowhere near that high11:11
konttori_workDocScrutinizer51: MORNING!11:11
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo11:12
konttori_workthe shader plugin for qt4.7 is pretty neat. I need to try it out later today.11:13
konttori_workNeed to finally install qt sdk to my work macbook pro.11:13
*** tackat has joined #maemo11:14
*** larsivi has joined #maemo11:15
*** e-yes has quit IRC11:19
*** mairas has quit IRC11:20
*** mairas has joined #maemo11:20
*** kkoehne_ has joined #maemo11:23
edheldilIf anybody is interested how the film studios do solve the digital storage problem - they copy the digital data (i.e. CGI models, textures, ...) to films and store them in data retention facilities. The durability of a film is at least 100years11:25
edheldilalso magnetic tapes (e.g. LTO) have data retention measured in tens of years, I think.11:26
radiofreethe durability isn't 100 years if rats nibble through the tape11:27
*** dvaske has quit IRC11:28
edheldilStorage on magnetic discs has also a problem with bearing lubricants, they are not designed for a long time storage without spinning them up ocassionally11:28
jpinx-out3why not use extra big dvd's'11:29
edheldilradiofree:  but the same holds for pergames and papyrus as well11:29
edheldiljpinx-out:  their durability is abysmal11:29
*** mairas has quit IRC11:29
*** mairas has joined #maemo11:30
edheldillong term data retention is a BIG problem nowadays, because we produce so much data, that copying to anything durable (like titan tablets) is problematic11:31
jpinx-outfor long term I suppose it is important to increase the size of the format so that the detail is not lost11:31
*** eijk_ has joined #maemo11:32
*** jpinx-out is now known as jpinx11:32
*** eijk has quit IRC11:35
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo11:35
*** florian_kc is now known as florian11:35
*** e-yes has joined #maemo11:35
jacekowskiwell, thing is, what is worth storing for long term11:36
jacekowskiall pr0n we produced?11:36
jacekowskior crappy hollywood movies?11:36
*** mortenvp has joined #maemo11:36
edheldilthis is perhaps what I read about it long ago:
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo11:38
edheldiljacekowski:  that depends on your preferences, of course. Generally the data you can reasonably expect to need in some distant future and which are imossible or costly to recreate11:38
*** scoobertron has quit IRC11:39
*** mairas has quit IRC11:40
*** mairas has joined #maemo11:40
edheldilthe problem with our civilization is that we produce data on opurselves on media which will perish after only few years - be it literature, art ...11:40
*** x29a__ is now known as x29a11:41
*** trbs has joined #maemo11:42
edheldilIf I remember it correctly, some data from pioneer years of space exploration are simply lost - including the construction plans for US spacecrafts or st. like that11:42
*** jben1 is now known as jben11:43
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC11:44
edheldiloriginal ciphertext enigma messages from Bletchley park were destroyed, so what officially remains from that big heap of cipher material, is some odd hundred or so of messages11:45
edheldiland so on11:45
*** mairas has quit IRC11:45
*** mairas has joined #maemo11:46
edheldilyou can well imagine, that without active preservation efforts, there won't be practically any data left from us in 500 or 1000 eyars11:49
* edheldil stops ranting. Sorry :-)11:51
KrayonWorkI'm SOO depressed now11:52
jacekowskiwe will be extinct like dinosaurs11:54
*** mairas has quit IRC11:55
*** mairas has joined #maemo11:55
*** msanchez has joined #maemo11:56
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC12:03
*** mairas has quit IRC12:03
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:04
*** achipa has joined #maemo12:07
*** luke-jr|otg has quit IRC12:07
DocScrutinizerin 1000 years future generations will still be able to find - and decipher - hieroglyphs of old Egypt, but there'll be left *very* little data from our time. Unless somebody takes care of creating a new backup clone of the whole $RANDOM_ARCHIVE every ~5 years12:07
*** luke-jr has quit IRC12:08
*** mairas has quit IRC12:08
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:08
DocScrutinizersomewhere in Iceland or some other northern European country (IIRC) there's a project where they store all sorts of data printed on microfiche rolled up and sealed in stainless steel tubes, in a bunker.12:09
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo12:10
DocScrutinizerthat's supposed to last for at least 1000 years12:10
DocScrutinizerdeciphering/read_out is rather simple and no problem to even reverse-engineer in 2000 or 5000 years, unlike e.g. mp3 or pdf12:12
*** luke-jr has joined #maemo12:12
*** luke-jr|otg has joined #maemo12:13
*** Spydemon has joined #maemo12:14
DocScrutinizerwhile I had no hope at all to recover the data from a super high quality philips compact cassette I used for storing that data from a ZX81 in 1990 or sth, and that's just 20some years ago. Even worse for same storage media when used with my old NASCOM computer12:15
chem|stSpeedEvil: manual said some between 26-32A on 12V + 5V12:17
DocScrutinizereven if you had done the "right thing" and stored your data to a HDD some few decades ago, you'll hardly find a computer supporting the MFM or RLL interface of this old HDD nowadays12:18
*** svuorela has joined #maemo12:20
svuorelahi peoples. slightly offtopic, but, anyone knows if there is a place that sells spare parts (screen) for n900 ?12:21
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo12:21
DocScrutinizersvuorela: mompls12:21
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC12:23
*** Arkenoi has joined #maemo12:24
svuorelahmm... a screen looks quite expensive as a sparepart.12:24
*** mairas has quit IRC12:27
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:27
chem|stSpeedEvil: ah what you mean is the spinup I guess, those disks took ~22sec to spin up... and the current was nothing near 20A...12:27 current screen seems to have stopped working in my n900. backlight seems to be working, but there is no actual signal to the display showing anything12:27
DocScrutinizersvuorela: yes, the LCD is >>USD50, the digitizer aka resistive touchpanel aka front glass also >>USD3012:28
chem|stSpeedEvil: try to find a specs sheet of the disks I had....12:29
*** mairas has quit IRC12:29
DocScrutinizersvuorela: that however (blank screen though backlight works) might be related to flexible plastic connector "cable"12:29
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:30
* KrayonWork tip for the day: when your N900 starts doing random keypresses, don't assume it screwed - first confirm your cheap and nasty bluetooth keyboard that's in your bag is actually turned off properly :P12:30
*** mairas has quit IRC12:31
DocScrutinizerchem|st: very old SCSI drives (the 8" type with maybe 20MB) well took >200W of power12:31
KrayonWorkI was stressing because I love my lil' N90012:31
svuorelaDocScrutinizer: interesting. is it a thing that can go 'loose' or a thing that can break ?12:31
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:31
DocScrutinizerit usually breaks12:31
*** mc_teo has joined #maemo12:31
svuorelaand what's the sparepart for that? or is it only available with a display?12:32
*** zap has joined #maemo12:34
jpinxsvuorela: I just ordered a new lcd for about 450 delivered to Thailand12:35
*** Zahra has joined #maemo12:35
jpinxfor about $5012:35
DocScrutinizerownta not exactly most economic seller right ATM12:35
DocScrutinizerbut the first addr to find such things12:36
*** mairas has quit IRC12:36
DocScrutinizeryou might find cheaper via fleabay12:36
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:36
chem|stDocScrutinizer: I think it was 5 1/4" full size... (or is full size 8"?)12:37
*** lcukn900 has joined #maemo12:37
chem|stthe fujitsu 1GB still sell for $8012:37
KrayonWork~$17 - $20 odd on eBay it would seem.12:37
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: @24V often12:40
*** krayon has joined #maemo12:42
*** krayon has left #maemo12:43
*** mfridh has joined #maemo12:43
*** mfridh has joined #maemo12:43
crashanddiesup people12:45
DocScrutinizermoo crashanddie12:45
SpeedEvilSteve Jobs is to be appointed new CEO of Nokia.12:45
*** mairas has quit IRC12:45
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: guess what - it's been the motherboard, not the X300 graphics card :-/12:45
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:46
jpinxSpeedEvil: I wish...  ;)12:47
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: plugged in the HD5450, worked without any driver installation to some extent (guess xserver used VESA fallback), then I changed BIOS settings to full fledged POST and VGA-POST-on-resume, and that killed the mobo12:48
*** jonwil has quit IRC12:48
DocScrutinizerresetting BIOS by removing CR2032 and jumper-dance didn't cure the issue12:49
DocScrutinizerboard not even beeped anymore on POST12:49
*** mairas has quit IRC12:50
*** TheXception|off is now known as TheXception12:50
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:50
*** marthd_ has joined #maemo12:51
*** marthd has quit IRC12:51
*** elysion_ has joined #maemo12:52
elysion_hi! does anyone know how to mute an incoming call on n900?12:53
elysion_I've been googling for a good while, but cannot find any API for this12:53
psycho_oreosI know how to mute it without using API, you just flip N900 upside down :)12:54
crashanddieFuck me12:54
*** ErwinJunge has joined #maemo12:54
crashanddieTouchpad ordered, confirmed, yada yada yada12:54
elysion_psycho_oreos: sadly cannot make the phone flip by using only software :/12:54
crashanddieNow I called the shop to see what the status was, and they tell me "we had some yesterday, but they're all gone"12:54
crashanddieso why the fuck would they sell them if I've paid for them. fuckers.12:55
psycho_oreoselysion_, its not a phone, its an internet tablet with phone functionality. There has to be some other ways I think, maybe blog may have information on it12:56
psycho_oreoslol they're lazy12:56
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC12:59
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, are they going to refund your money?12:59
crashanddieof course they are12:59
*** mitsutaka has quit IRC13:00
psycho_oreosgood at least its not like they'll try and run away denying it all ;)13:00
chem|stelysion_: grep the call when incoming call and flip, and make a script with it...13:00
*** woodong50_______ has joined #maemo13:00
crashanddiepsycho_oreos, I paid by credit card, so I can tell my bank to stuff them13:01
chem|st1st is "dbus" call...13:01
*** croppa has joined #maemo13:01
psycho_oreoslol even better13:01
ruskie <-- hmm might be nice as a backup phone13:01
crashanddiepsycho_oreos, though, I hate what's happening, because when we went in to order at 9.29AM 9the shop opens at 9.30), all the sales guys were gleaming because they'd bought all the tablets in stock before the shop opened13:01
DocScrutinizerelysion_: open ssh via WLAN, call phone, fire " dbus-monitor --system >dbuslog_sys.txt&   dbus-monitor --session >dbuslog_sess.txt&" in ssh, mute phone by flipping it screen down, kill %1 %2 in ssh, stop caling phone, scrutinize the generated logs for the proper dbus-msg to trigger muting13:02
crashanddiewhich I guess, is fair enough. They work there, they deserve to get some benefits13:02
crashanddieBut if they can't put 3 fucking tablets away for people who were obviously as excited as they were13:02
crashanddieIs just stupid13:02
elysion_DocScrutinizer: that is what I have been trying to do13:03
elysion_but haven't had much luck yet13:03
DocScrutinizerthen it's probably sth mce does internally, so nothing shows up on dbus13:04
chem|stcrashanddie: what tablets..13:04
*** woodong50_______ has quit IRC13:04
DocScrutinizer"mission control" comes to mind. Don't ask me why13:04
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, they're probably desperate to either resell it or keep it for themselves. Being a sales staff I suppose with direct access to the store's inventory, its no wonder that it can severely piss customers off when the customers simply couldn't go around and collect it but instead wait in a queue13:04
crashanddieConsidering I spent nearly 4 grand in that store in less than 6 months, I was expecting a bit more respect, frankly.13:05
*** khertan has quit IRC13:06
crashanddielunch break13:07
crashanddieGoing to the store now, will see. Also taking a few tyrespikes with in case they behave like dicks.13:07
edheldilyou can't buy Hp TP here at all. $99 is such a nice price :(13:08
psycho_oreosedheldil, did you see that tmo thread in buy & sell?13:09
elysion_have there been any discounts on pre:s?13:10
psycho_oreosI think pre 3 was sold rather cheap in UK only.. as noted in another tmo thread13:12
nid0it hasnt been sold discounted at all here yet13:12
psycho_oreospre 3? not the tablet13:13
nid0pre 3. supposedly hp uk will be confirming any major price drop tomorrow13:13
psycho_oreosahh, I saw the thread about it on the little tracker window (shows latest posts on far right side on tmo)13:14
*** dos11 has joined #maemo13:19
edheldilpsycho_oreos:  no ... anything interesting in it? From what I have sampled, it's mostly complaints about OnSale13:20
psycho_oreosedheldil, nope, like I said I only saw it from that `ticker' thingy on the right side of the webpage on tmo13:21
*** mairas has quit IRC13:23
*** mairas has joined #maemo13:23
*** net-split has quit IRC13:24
*** net-split has joined #maemo13:26
*** Zahra has quit IRC13:26
*** mairas has quit IRC13:27
*** mairas has joined #maemo13:28
*** Roomerlol has joined #maemo13:28
*** mairas has quit IRC13:31
*** mairas_ has joined #maemo13:31
*** DrGrov has joined #maemo13:33
*** baraujo has joined #maemo13:38
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo13:39
*** ErwinJunge has quit IRC13:39
*** mairas_ has quit IRC13:39
*** mairas has joined #maemo13:40
*** rcg has quit IRC13:48
*** mardi has joined #maemo13:49
*** lxp has joined #maemo13:52
*** mairas has quit IRC13:52
*** mairas has joined #maemo13:52
*** macmaN has quit IRC13:54
*** lxp1 has quit IRC13:55
*** mairas has quit IRC13:56
*** mairas has joined #maemo13:56
*** murrayc has quit IRC13:57
*** mairas has quit IRC13:58
*** mairas_ has joined #maemo13:58
*** lcuk has quit IRC13:58
*** Sulx has quit IRC13:59
*** gomiam has joined #maemo14:01
*** macmaN has joined #maemo14:02
*** mairas has joined #maemo14:07
*** mairas_ has quit IRC14:07
*** jhb has quit IRC14:09
*** InvalidHandle has joined #maemo14:11
*** mairas has quit IRC14:12
*** mairas has joined #maemo14:12
*** rcg has joined #maemo14:15
*** geaaru has joined #maemo14:16
*** crashanddie has quit IRC14:19
*** mairas has quit IRC14:19
*** mairas has joined #maemo14:19
*** lcuk has joined #maemo14:20
*** lcuk has quit IRC14:20
*** lcuk has joined #maemo14:20
*** jpinx is now known as jpinx-feeding14:21
*** dos11 is now known as dos114:21
*** mairas has quit IRC14:25
*** mairas has joined #maemo14:25
*** x29a_ has joined #maemo14:30
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo14:30
*** willer_ has joined #maemo14:31
*** x29a has quit IRC14:33
*** smhar has joined #maemo14:37
*** calvaris has quit IRC14:41
*** arvut has joined #maemo14:42
*** calvaris has joined #maemo14:45
*** kW_ has joined #maemo14:45
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo14:49
ruskieAccording to that data, copying, moving, renaming, and deleting files are "far and away the most heavily used features within Windows Explorer" and account for half of all commands. <-- erm... it's a file manager... you know... it's meant to manage files...14:51
*** gomiam has quit IRC14:52
*** Appiah has quit IRC14:54
*** mairas has quit IRC14:54
*** mairas has joined #maemo14:54
*** gomiam has joined #maemo14:55
*** Roomerlol has quit IRC14:57
*** mairas has quit IRC14:57
*** mairas has joined #maemo14:57
*** dos11 has joined #maemo14:57
*** dos1 has quit IRC14:58
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC14:58
*** dos11 is now known as dos114:58
*** MOUD has joined #maemo15:02
MOUDhey all15:02
*** mairas has quit IRC15:04
MOUDhow can I install the previous version of Power Kernel(version 47) since the new one (version 48) is not compatible with MobileHotspot?15:04
*** mairas has joined #maemo15:04
*** mortenvp has quit IRC15:05
MOUDnote: i'm using the default nokia kernel now15:05
*** LeFallen has joined #maemo15:06
*** LeFallen has left #maemo15:06
*** KrayonWork has quit IRC15:09
*** KrayonWork has joined #maemo15:09
*** Guest80055 has quit IRC15:10
*** KrayonWork is now known as Guest107915:10
*** setanta has joined #maemo15:10
*** GNUtoo|laptop has joined #maemo15:10
psycho_oreosprevious pk seems to be also available in the repos, maybe the same as in pk48 which is extras-devel15:11
*** MOUD_ has joined #maemo15:13
*** MOUD_ has quit IRC15:14
*** MOUD1 has joined #maemo15:14
MOUD1I got dc :S15:14
MOUD1psycho_oreos: extras-devel is unavailable right now, but tks for the info15:15
*** ErwinJunge has joined #maemo15:16
psycho_oreosMOUD1, without it, you have to deal with installing 4 packages15:16
*** MOUD has quit IRC15:16
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC15:16
*** mairas has quit IRC15:17
*** mairas has joined #maemo15:17
MOUD1I'm trying to find a way to install via apt-get but i cannot select the specific kernel i want, it will install the latest one15:18
psycho_oreosapt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo4715:19
*** jpinx-feeding is now known as jpinx15:20
MOUD1kernel-power not found15:23
*** jpinx is now known as jpinx_sleeping15:23
*** NIN101 has quit IRC15:23
*** bbee has joined #maemo15:24
*** bbee has joined #maemo15:24
*** mairas has quit IRC15:26
*** mairas has joined #maemo15:26
psycho_oreosyou'll need to enable extras-devel because power47 isn't available elsewhere via apt method15:26
*** fauch has joined #maemo15:26
*** croppa has quit IRC15:27
*** Guest1079 has quit IRC15:30
*** Guest1079 has joined #maemo15:31
*** Guest1079 has quit IRC15:31
*** trx has quit IRC15:32
*** KrayonWork has joined #maemo15:32
*** KrayonWork has left #maemo15:32
*** mase76 has joined #maemo15:33
*** jhb has joined #maemo15:34
*** MOUD1 has quit IRC15:36
*** trx has joined #maemo15:37
*** Dibblah_ is now known as Dibblah15:40
*** BCMM has joined #maemo15:40
*** lcuk has quit IRC15:40
*** GNUtoo|laptop has quit IRC15:44
*** blackthorne_ has joined #maemo15:45
*** lcuk has joined #maemo15:47
*** lcuk has quit IRC15:47
*** lcuk has joined #maemo15:47
*** Vanadis has quit IRC15:48
*** sasquatch has quit IRC15:55
*** sasquatch has joined #maemo15:55
*** ErwinJunge has quit IRC15:56
*** Zahra has joined #maemo15:59
*** Sickki has quit IRC16:01
*** javispedro has joined #maemo16:01
*** Wikier has quit IRC16:03
*** hardaker has joined #maemo16:04
*** mairas has quit IRC16:04
*** mairas has joined #maemo16:05
*** Sulx has joined #maemo16:05
*** valdyn_ has quit IRC16:05
*** smhar has quit IRC16:10
*** Appiah has joined #maemo16:11
*** valdyn has joined #maemo16:12
*** scoobertron has quit IRC16:13
*** vivijim has joined #maemo16:14
*** chenca has joined #maemo16:14
*** etrunko has joined #maemo16:14
*** mairas has quit IRC16:19
*** mairas has joined #maemo16:19
*** konttori_work has quit IRC16:20
*** plq has joined #maemo16:20
*** mairas has quit IRC16:23
*** x29a has joined #maemo16:23
*** x29a has quit IRC16:23
*** x29a has joined #maemo16:23
*** mairas has joined #maemo16:23
*** kW_ has quit IRC16:28
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo16:30
*** crashanddie has quit IRC16:30
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo16:30
*** kW_ has joined #maemo16:31
*** Zahra has quit IRC16:35
*** Sulx has quit IRC16:39
*** hannesw_ has joined #maemo16:41
*** hannesw has quit IRC16:45
*** mc_teo has quit IRC16:47
*** Astrology has quit IRC16:47
*** arvut has quit IRC16:47
*** ohookins has joined #maemo16:47
ohookinsX-Fade: i've heard you are the man to ask about false-positive missing dependencies on ?16:48
*** mairas has quit IRC16:52
*** eijk__ has joined #maemo16:53
crashanddieohookins, try asking him about finding heroin in Amsterdam. Now he's _the_ guy.16:55
*** eijk_ has quit IRC16:55
ohookinscrashanddie: surely for that task just about anybody on the street is the guy16:56
crashanddiejust about any guy will get you arrested.16:57
*** NGNUton-BC has joined #maemo16:57
*** GNUton-BNC has quit IRC16:57
*** mc_teo has joined #maemo16:59
ohookinswell, at least he should be in the same timezone then16:59
*** paroneayea has quit IRC17:00
*** celesteh has joined #maemo17:01
*** celesteh has left #maemo17:01
*** jhb has quit IRC17:02
*** dragly has quit IRC17:02
*** args[0] has quit IRC17:02
*** jpinx_sleeping is now known as jpinx17:04
*** sperle has joined #maemo17:06
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC17:06
*** jhb has joined #maemo17:07
*** dragly has joined #maemo17:07
*** args[0] has joined #maemo17:07
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo17:07
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo17:14
*** jhb has quit IRC17:18
*** larsivi has quit IRC17:18
*** calvaris has quit IRC17:24
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo17:26
*** cpscotti has joined #maemo17:29
*** mardi has left #maemo17:30
*** vi___ has quit IRC17:35
*** c2p has joined #maemo17:37
*** Zahra has joined #maemo17:37
*** calvaris has joined #maemo17:38
*** paroneayea has joined #maemo17:39
*** sid_ has joined #maemo17:39
*** c2pLaY has quit IRC17:40
*** sid__ has quit IRC17:42
*** sperle has quit IRC17:43
*** Zahra has quit IRC17:46
*** paroneayea has quit IRC17:47
*** gomiam has quit IRC17:47
*** Vanadis has joined #maemo17:48
*** mardi has joined #maemo17:55
*** lcukn901 has joined #maemo17:58
*** zap has quit IRC17:59
*** paroneayea has joined #maemo18:00
*** Sulx has joined #maemo18:02
*** lcukn900 has quit IRC18:02
*** ferdna has joined #maemo18:06
ohookinsX-Fade: ping18:09
*** mase76 has quit IRC18:10
*** Vanadis__ has joined #maemo18:17
*** Vanadis has quit IRC18:19
*** wazd has quit IRC18:24
*** paroneayea has quit IRC18:24
*** calvaris has quit IRC18:25
*** calvaris has joined #maemo18:25
*** paroneayea has joined #maemo18:28
*** felipec has joined #maemo18:30
*** rcg has quit IRC18:33
*** calvaris has quit IRC18:35
*** Necc has joined #maemo18:36
*** _berto_ has quit IRC18:37
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo18:38
*** Vanadis__ has quit IRC18:44
*** tank-man has quit IRC18:46
*** Zahra has joined #maemo18:49
*** n900evil has joined #maemo18:49
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC18:50
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC18:50
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo18:51
*** Zahra has quit IRC18:54
*** ohookins has left #maemo18:56
*** Sickki has joined #maemo18:57
*** Sickki has joined #maemo18:57
*** rcg has joined #maemo18:57
*** tackat_ has joined #maemo18:58
*** tackat has quit IRC18:58
*** akeripper has joined #maemo18:59
*** akeripper has quit IRC19:00
*** zap has joined #maemo19:04
*** jevin has quit IRC19:06
*** fiferboy has joined #maemo19:09
*** marthd has joined #maemo19:09
*** jevin has joined #maemo19:10
*** idont has joined #maemo19:12
*** marthd_ has quit IRC19:12
*** crashanddie has quit IRC19:14
*** thuttu77_2 has quit IRC19:15
*** elzalem has quit IRC19:17
*** klasu_ has joined #maemo19:17
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo19:18
*** elzalem has joined #maemo19:20
*** plq has quit IRC19:22
*** fiferboy has quit IRC19:22
*** thuttu77 has joined #maemo19:25
*** jpe has quit IRC19:26
lcukare there any fractal generators for maemo?19:27
*** newbie007 has joined #maemo19:27
newbie007Hi, I think there is a problem with youtube-dl,, perhaps youtube has updated. However this script works on my pc (which has been updated recently) the error is...19:29
newbie007ERROR: no fmt_url_map or conn information found in video info19:29
MohammadAGit's cause i haven't updated it19:30
MohammadAGscp the script from your pc to /usr/bin19:31
newbie007do you know if its possible to get hildon desktop working on other distros?19:31
newbie007I'm interesting in getting fedora on the nook color with the hildon-desktop19:31
MohammadAGit is, see cordia and check youtube for hildon desktop on ubuntu19:31
*** achipa has quit IRC19:31
newbie007thanks, I'll update the file19:31
newbie007it really is superior to android imho19:32
MohammadAGhildon's awesome19:32
MohammadAGon good hardware it's even better19:32
MohammadAGthe N950 with maemo 5 would've been awesome19:33
newbie007what is "cordia"? then next name of maemo?19:33
* newbie007 Cordia is a project to bring Maemo 5’s UI (Hildon Desktop and related components) to the MeeGo distribution.19:34
*** tackat_ has quit IRC19:34
*** retro|cz has quit IRC19:35
*** blackthorne_ is now known as blackthorne19:36
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo19:39
*** piggz has joined #maemo19:41
*** Vanadis has joined #maemo19:43
*** fauch has quit IRC19:43
javispedroCordia on the N950 is probably doable19:44
javispedrohowever -- no rotation, and no resizing support for vkb19:45
*** Zahra has joined #maemo19:46
*** cybergggirl has joined #maemo19:47
*** peetah_ is now known as peetah19:47
*** vivijim has quit IRC19:48
*** cybergggirl has quit IRC19:48
*** BCMM has quit IRC19:49
*** zap has quit IRC19:50
*** msanchez has quit IRC19:52
*** zap has joined #maemo19:52
*** florian has quit IRC19:54
SpeedEvil,14299/ :)19:56
*** wazd has joined #maemo19:58
*** [XeN] has joined #maemo20:00
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo20:00
*** paroneayea has quit IRC20:01
*** janemba has quit IRC20:04
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC20:04
*** jhb has joined #maemo20:06
*** vivijim has joined #maemo20:06
*** idont has quit IRC20:07
*** blackthorne has quit IRC20:08
*** paroneayea has joined #maemo20:09
*** elzalem has quit IRC20:10
*** eMHa has quit IRC20:11
*** blackthorne has joined #maemo20:16
*** jevin has quit IRC20:18
*** Mousey has joined #maemo20:19
*** jevin has joined #maemo20:20
*** ale152 has joined #maemo20:22
*** paroneayea has quit IRC20:23
*** Arkenoi has joined #maemo20:23
*** ghostcube has joined #maemo20:23
*** larsivi has joined #maemo20:26
*** jhb has quit IRC20:26
*** paroneayea has joined #maemo20:27
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo20:30
*** Atarii has joined #maemo20:30
*** cpscotti has quit IRC20:30
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo20:38
*** FireFly has joined #maemo20:39
*** trumee has quit IRC20:39
*** trumee has joined #maemo20:40
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo20:41
*** Andy80 has quit IRC20:41
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo20:41
*** trumee has quit IRC20:42
*** trumee has joined #maemo20:43
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC20:44
*** trumee has quit IRC20:50
*** trumee has joined #maemo20:50
*** kov_ has joined #maemo20:51
*** sq-one has joined #maemo20:53
*** ohookins has joined #maemo20:54
*** deimos has joined #maemo20:54
ohookinsX-Fade: ping20:54
*** bergie_ has quit IRC20:58
*** e-yes has quit IRC21:00
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo21:07
*** rm_you| has quit IRC21:07
*** eMHa has joined #maemo21:08
*** onen|openBmap has joined #maemo21:09
*** florian has joined #maemo21:10
*** b1ackdeath has joined #maemo21:10
*** e-yes has joined #maemo21:11
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC21:14
*** setanta has quit IRC21:14
*** chenca has quit IRC21:14
*** javispedro has quit IRC21:14
*** setanta has joined #maemo21:15
*** renatofilho has joined #maemo21:15
*** chenca has joined #maemo21:16
*** renato has quit IRC21:16
*** jevin has quit IRC21:18
*** trumee has quit IRC21:19
*** trumee has joined #maemo21:21
*** vivijim has quit IRC21:21
*** vivijim has joined #maemo21:22
*** geaaru has quit IRC21:22
*** jevin has joined #maemo21:23
*** evilbulgarian has quit IRC21:23
*** DavidTalmage_ has joined #maemo21:26
*** klasu_ has quit IRC21:28
*** DavidTalmage_ is now known as DavidTalmage21:28
*** mtnbkr_ has joined #maemo21:29
*** klasu_ has joined #maemo21:30
*** KMFDM has quit IRC21:31
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo21:32
*** ale152 has quit IRC21:35
*** kimitake_idle is now known as kimitake21:35
*** e-yes has quit IRC21:35
*** KMFDM has joined #maemo21:40
*** onen|openBmap has quit IRC21:41
*** larsivi has quit IRC21:42
*** esaym153 has quit IRC21:43
*** scoobertron has quit IRC21:45
*** esaym153 has joined #maemo21:48
*** e-yes has joined #maemo21:49
*** thuttu77 has quit IRC21:49
*** b1ackdeath has quit IRC21:51
*** Jade has quit IRC21:51
*** lxp1 has joined #maemo21:53
*** schend has joined #maemo21:54
*** lxp has quit IRC21:55
*** Zahra has quit IRC21:55
*** jpe has joined #maemo21:57
*** thuttu77 has joined #maemo21:57
*** thomasjfox has joined #maemo22:00
*** lxp has joined #maemo22:00
*** lxp1 has quit IRC22:00
*** jpe has quit IRC22:00
*** Roomerlol has joined #maemo22:00
*** alehorst has quit IRC22:00
Atariihey cehteh, just wanted to say thanks for the pointer the other night about pcap version22:01
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC22:01
Atariigot the program compiled and working great now22:01
*** evilbulgarian has joined #maemo22:03
*** choppa has joined #maemo22:03
*** jpe has joined #maemo22:04
Atariiis there anyway to temporarily hide the bar in xterm?22:06
villagerAtarii: you mean like tapping the fullscreen button visible in the bar?22:08
Atariilike that but the other way round22:08
Atariihiding the bar with the buttons22:08
villagerhmm, not sure if there's a way without changing the config22:09
*** thopiekar has quit IRC22:12
*** alehorst has joined #maemo22:13
*** mtnbkr_ has quit IRC22:17
*** alien_ has joined #maemo22:18
alien_hello, I have 'not enough space' issues with camera-ui whenever I try to take a photo22:18
*** Smily has quit IRC22:18
alien_there is like 7G free on my user partition22:18
*** Smily has joined #maemo22:18
alien_is there a way to debug this?22:18
villagerAtarii: if you do want to change the config: ~ $ gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar false22:21
villagerAtarii: and of course true to restore it22:21
Atariiooo thanks :)22:21
alien_MohammadAG: are you a camera-ui developer?22:22
Atariivillager that worked great, thanks again22:23
alien_(I use latest OSSO-CSSU since it was released and it used to work until a week ago or so)22:23
*** jevin has quit IRC22:24
*** ale152 has joined #maemo22:26
*** noir23 has joined #maemo22:27
*** jevin has joined #maemo22:29
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo22:32
*** jonne has quit IRC22:33
*** crs has quit IRC22:37
*** choppa has quit IRC22:44
*** Oppo|n900 has joined #maemo22:46
*** FireFly has quit IRC22:47
*** trbs has quit IRC22:55
*** geaaru has joined #maemo22:56
*** klasu_ has quit IRC22:58
*** alehorst has quit IRC22:59
*** mece1 has left #maemo23:00
*** alehorst has joined #maemo23:02
*** realitygaps has joined #maemo23:07
*** realitygaps has quit IRC23:07
*** realitygaps has joined #maemo23:07
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo23:09
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC23:10
*** perlite_ has joined #maemo23:10
*** perlite has quit IRC23:12
*** perlite_ is now known as perlite23:12
*** crs has joined #maemo23:14
*** scoobertron has quit IRC23:17
*** mesx has quit IRC23:18
*** janemba has joined #maemo23:19
*** janemba has joined #maemo23:19
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo23:20
*** realitygaps has quit IRC23:23
*** nze has joined #maemo23:23
*** nze has joined #maemo23:23
*** javispedro has joined #maemo23:25
*** jpe has quit IRC23:26
*** mesx has joined #maemo23:30
*** nmjnb has quit IRC23:30
*** sid__ has joined #maemo23:33
*** larsivi has joined #maemo23:35
*** sid_ has quit IRC23:36
*** dos1 has quit IRC23:41
*** jonne has joined #maemo23:42
*** sid_ has joined #maemo23:43
*** wazd has quit IRC23:44
*** sid__ has quit IRC23:46
*** jonne has quit IRC23:50
*** keesj_ is now known as keesj23:52
*** schend has quit IRC23:56
*** thomasjfox has quit IRC23:56
*** felipec has quit IRC23:58
*** noir23 has quit IRC23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!