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| cehteh | can the n900 connect to 802.11a 5Ghz? | 00:38 |
| Atarii | don't think so, isn't it b/g only? | 00:40 |
| cehteh | prolly, thats why i ask | 00:40 |
| cehteh | i dont know | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, b/g only. | 00:40 |
| cehteh | ok | 00:40 |
| cehteh | mhm and can abg Accesspoints/routers use a and g in parallel? | 00:41 |
| cehteh | here the 2.5ghz band is overcrowded at least for my laptop it would be nice to have 5ghz available | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know of any 11n 5GHz APs that dont also do 2.4 | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | but 11a is kinda old and rare, so dunno | 00:42 |
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| cehteh | ShadowJK: i meant can they offer a and g (or n) in parallel | 00:46 |
| cehteh | or do you have to switch them either/or | 00:46 |
| cehteh | my AP is from the stone age :) | 00:46 |
| cehteh | when we moved i prolly get a new one | 00:46 |
| cehteh | and rare is good here, there are dozens of networks around | 00:47 |
| cehteh | (on 2.5Ghz) | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, the issue is whether they're do it simultaneously. | 00:52 |
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| ShadowJK | Oh I thought the dualband 11n were specifically an "upgrade path" offering 5GHz 11n to clients that support that, and 2.4GHz bgn to "legacy" devices :) | 00:56 |
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| cehteh | i dont know n, my AP cant handle that new stuff :P | 00:59 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/23/lenovo_thinkpad_tablet_goes_on_sale/ | 08:33 |
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| ds3 | what's the battery life expected to be? | 08:40 |
| ruskie | I think they have it mentioned on their site | 08:40 |
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| dm8tbr | sexy hardware, not so sexy OS | 08:43 |
| ruskie | unless always innovating finally releases their touchbook v2 it's what I'm planing on getting | 08:44 |
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| luke-jr | ruskie: I've had too many Thinkpads fail to even consider it :p | 09:00 |
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| ds3 | hardware is easy... getting a decent workable UI is hard | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | nah, KDE works good enough | 09:02 |
| ds3 | KDE seems to want a keyboard | 09:07 |
| ds3 | Honeycomb blows enough that it is making iOS shine :/ | 09:09 |
| faina | I tried cyanogenmod on a nook. The end result was I wanted to port maemo to the nook. | 09:10 |
| doc|home | damn you nokia, you're making get very close to buying an android device... made by your competition... | 09:13 |
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| luke-jr | ds3: a computer without a keyboard is as useful as a 2nd monitor | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | doc|home: like you have a choice? | 09:15 |
| doc|home | luke-jr: nope | 09:15 |
| doc|home | nada | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | doc|home: I'll probably give in and buy some Android device that I think I can get Gentoo/KDE running on eventually | 09:16 |
| doc|home | luke-jr: I don't have that kind of free time. I want a device that mostly just works. | 09:17 |
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| luke-jr | same here | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | but no choice is no choice | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | maybe I'll finally get self-sufficient so I won't need $ and can get rid of computers altogether? :p | 09:19 |
| doc|home | not happy with just android? | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | not at all, android is a phone | 09:19 |
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| doc|home | what's the problem with it on a tablet? I've only used one for about an hour, had no major issues with it, though never could figure out how to close a damn app | 09:20 |
| doc|home | edwinsage: have one, too slow :( | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | doc|home: I don't like tablets. or anything w/o a kb. | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | edwinsage: N800 was obsolete before it was released :P | 09:21 |
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| luke-jr | edwinsage: Zaurus SL-C760 was better in every way, and released years before | 09:21 |
| doc|home | luke-jr: then that's a whole other issue than just android :) | 09:21 |
| edwinsage | doc|home: See, all you've got to do is use a desktop that's 600mHz like the one I was using for 8 months. The N800 will seem fine. | 09:21 |
| doc|home | edwinsage: hah | 09:21 |
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| doc|home | the tablet I want to get also has an attachable keyboard, which is why I like it (asus transformer 2) | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | doc|home: I want a portable PC, nothing less :P | 09:22 |
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| luke-jr | edwinsage: but C760 does everything N800 does :P | 09:22 |
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| doc|home | and yes, I could just get a laptop, but then I don't have the tablet compactness for when I want to just browse the web | 09:22 |
| edwinsage | Yeah, the N800 was a bit more frustrating before I got the bluetooth keyboard. | 09:22 |
| edwinsage | Now it's my little hacker's best friend. | 09:23 |
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| luke-jr | C760 = N800 + builtin kb :p | 09:23 |
| edwinsage | luke-jr: What's a C760? | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | edwinsage: I just told you :P | 09:24 |
| mece | c760 is pretty cool | 09:25 |
| luke-jr | http://www.google.com/search?q=Zaurus+SL-C760&tbm=isch | 09:25 |
| edwinsage | Looks like the C760's got half as much RAM. | 09:27 |
| mece | it was 2003 tho. | 09:27 |
| mece | I'm a little upset with barnes & noble | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | edwinsage: well, there was a few models after C760 with slightly better hw specs | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | IIRC at least one matched N800 closer | 09:28 |
| faina | The Ben NanoNote looks kind of similar. | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | faina: that came after N800 | 09:29 |
| faina | It reminded me of the c760 | 09:30 |
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| ds3 | keyboard isn't relaly needed for most things | 09:33 |
| ds3 | heavy coding seems to be the main exception | 09:33 |
| dm8tbr | heavy IRC too | 09:34 |
| ds3 | not sure about that | 09:34 |
| ds3 | have to try IM in general without a keyboard | 09:35 |
| dm8tbr | IM sort of works quite OK on my N950, but IRC is a bit different | 09:35 |
| ds3 | how so? | 09:36 |
| ds3 | granted, I cannot get use to the T9/numeric pad style KBs | 09:37 |
| dm8tbr | different conversation culture IMHO | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | the irc networks I hang out on tend to have full sentences | 09:40 |
| Macer | i'm waiting for a meego for transformer | 09:41 |
| Macer | :) | 09:41 |
| dm8tbr | writing that into my terminal using the OSK feels painfully slow | 09:41 |
| dm8tbr | also IRC is point to multipoint most of the time | 09:42 |
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| ds3 | I use full sentences on IM | 09:47 |
| ds3 | I treat IM as IRC /msg's | 09:47 |
| ds3 | biggest difference is the lower usage of '/'s | 09:47 |
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| dm8tbr | yes, still for me timing is mor relaxed on /msg and IM most of the time compared to channels where sometimes it gets quite quick | 09:49 |
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| dm8tbr | this slow conversation would be entirely manageable, add a few people and a faster pace and it becomes painfull | 09:50 |
| ds3 | the predictive stuff on the N900 helps with that | 09:51 |
| ds3 | OTH, I do not like how the OSK eats up screen area | 09:51 |
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| dm8tbr | on the n950 that's a bit better in portrait IMHO | 09:58 |
| mece | portrait is very nice imo. | 09:59 |
| mece | I never use landscape | 09:59 |
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| Cor-Ai | landscape<3 | 10:00 |
| dm8tbr | landscap OSK totally sucks on N950 | 10:00 |
| mece | well I think it's ok to write on, but it uses a lot of screen | 10:00 |
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| dm8tbr | that's what I meant | 10:01 |
| dm8tbr | it takes up all the screen | 10:01 |
| mece | eyup | 10:01 |
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| ds3 | I would like to try it in a 7 inch or larger display | 10:03 |
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| chem|st | morning | 10:13 |
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| elzalem | hey guys, i'm getting this error http://pastebin.com/8Svb5zXY each time i run apt-get update, tried googling but no solution | 10:28 |
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| chem|st | elzalem: as it says is the pub key for downloads.maemo.nokia.com missing, you can either not care about it or download it from somewhere or install via apt (I have no idea, usually there is a package "keyring" in debian style repos...) | 10:30 |
| elzalem | if i just ignore it will i still be getting the updates/packages of that repo | 10:31 |
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| chem|st | sure | 10:40 |
| elzalem | k thanks chem|st | 10:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 10:47 |
| rm_you|johnx | moo | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | what happened to your nick? | 10:48 |
| crashanddie | he married john? | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd suspect a more commercial contract - CBA to locateip the hostmask | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi crashanddie | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | sup doc | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_you|johnx: /msg nickserv id rm_you SeCrEtPaSsWoRd | 10:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | or you can use /quote to prevent your passwd being shown from your IRC client | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | then /msg nickserv group | 10:53 |
| rm_you|johnx | lol | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I need a (ideally dropin) replacement for a Radeon X300 SE, any comments? | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | linux | 10:58 |
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| crashanddie | because your card died? | 10:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | customer's | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | well | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | customer's, so... What about an ati radeon x300 se? | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to find | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | they're $70 | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | way too expensive | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | ok | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | then a geforce 6200 | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, will lok for that one | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | roughly $40 | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | look even | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | That's like 7 years old though... | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | found Sapphire HD5450 for 30€, not exactly a dropin replacement but the right pricetag | 11:02 |
| rm_you|johnx | WTF $70 is too expensive for a customer? | 11:02 |
| rm_you|johnx | customer == some random person? | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, he's repairing a nearly 10 yo computer | 11:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | yeah I suppose :/ | 11:03 |
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| crashanddie | I doubt this is a company, more like granny down the road | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'd suggest a new mobo for ~100 bucks otherwise | 11:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | but like... video card... | 11:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | they don't get too much cheaper | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | sure they do | 11:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | nvidia cards are generally better in linux, and cheaper, but not drop-in | 11:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | linux ati drivers are pain | 11:04 |
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| crashanddie | so what, this is PCIe? | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | Does the mobo have an AGP prot? | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems it's PCIe yes | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | s/pro/por/ | 11:04 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: Does the mobo have an AGP port? | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | well, it's an X300, so roughly the equivalent of a Radeon 9700 but in PCIe rather than AGP. | 11:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer gets nervous and starts checking card's connector against PCIe and AGP pictures | 11:06 | |
| crashanddie | early PCIe mobos usually shipped with AGP ports as well, it might be cheaper to find an old AGP-compatible card (and hence, drop-in) | 11:06 |
| crashanddie | AGP is brown. | 11:07 |
| crashanddie | PCIe isn't. | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I only have the card in front of me | 11:07 |
| rm_you|johnx | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125359 | 11:07 |
| crashanddie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AGP-Video-Card.jpg | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | random "freezes" if you wondered | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh this is PCIe | 11:08 |
| hiemanshu | its the way they are split thats a give away | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: thanks | 11:08 |
| hiemanshu | the connectors | 11:08 |
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| crashanddie | wrong button | 11:08 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: and whats the issue with getting a new-ish PCIe card? | 11:09 |
| rm_you|johnx | price | 11:09 |
| crashanddie | old mobo wouldn't support it | 11:09 |
| rm_you|johnx | i would guess price | 11:09 |
| hiemanshu | crashanddie: something like a 8400 or 7600 would be supported | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | just ideally cheap, linux compatible, drop-in replacement even better so I don't need to reconfigure X11 | 11:09 |
| rm_you|johnx | unless it's the exact same card, i would worry about ATI | 11:10 |
| rm_you|johnx | nvidia is a little more... reliable IMO | 11:10 |
| rm_you|johnx | but it will require a tiny bit of reconfiguratio n | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I consider going for PCIe Sapphire HD5450 | 11:10 |
| rm_you|johnx | depending on distro | 11:10 |
| rm_you|johnx | just be careful of some ATI cards | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's an ATI :-/ | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | what about the Quadro? | 11:11 |
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| crashanddie | what's the price of the quadro fx 5600? | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme check | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | ouch, $1200 | 11:12 |
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| crashanddie | but then again, that thing has 128 cores, so maybe overkill | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | look at the cheapest pci-e nvidia quadro you can find | 11:13 |
| radiofree | I always tend to spend stupid amounts of money on graphics cards (although not that stupid) and within a couple of weeks i find myself only playing nethack... | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | that should be dirt cheap, they'd probably give them away at your local computer store | 11:13 |
| hiemanshu | radiofree: hah lol | 11:14 |
| hiemanshu | well I game a lot, so I really need em | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | local dealer just has HD5450 and a nVidia Geforce G210 for less than 50 bucks | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | then go for the hd5450 | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | radiofree: office box, no need for fancy GFX | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's what I thought | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, check the graphics drivers through SSH | 11:15 |
| radiofree | DocScrutinizer: was a joke | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, you may want to ensure that the drivers that are installed support that card | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: the good side of this problem: the old X300 runs for several minutes until it freezes | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | ah, goody | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | Are you sure it's card then? | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not entirely, but the system happily runs on | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just the video that goes all black and doesn't recover | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so: monitor, graca, PCIe port | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | monitor got ruled out, hoping it's not the mobo's PCIe slot that has some hickup | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | Well, PCIe is DMA | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | card got *very* hot (passive cooling) so I guess it's done by now | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | so if something was wrong with that, the whole system would die within seconds | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | my thinking | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | man, DocScrutinizer | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | It's like you pushed me way back way into the early oo's | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 11:20 |
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| jiero | when connect to my Debian, why I cannot see the eMMC partition except FAT? | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | eMMC == FAT.. but FAT32 more precisely than FAT | 11:42 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: I thought the /home in Ext3, and its must be | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, /home|/opt are ext3, but /home/user/MyDocs (which is eMMC) sits in a different partition on the same chip as /home|/opt and is set to FAT32 by default | 11:49 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: but NAND Rom only 256 MB, must have on the eMMC-Chip which is 32 GB, I don't understand you. | 11:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, NAND is only rootfs which means every directory under / except /home and /opt | 11:52 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: yes, I understood, /usr/opt /opt /home/usr/opt are same | 11:53 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: so i shall see /opt at least. | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, and those 3 directories does not sit on NAND, they actually sit on the eMMC | 11:54 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem <-- explains it quite cleanly fyi | 11:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | s/cleanly/clearly/ | 11:56 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: jiero, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem <-- explains it quite clearly fyi | 11:56 |
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| jiero | I knew that... | 12:06 |
| jiero | but thanks | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | so how can you not understand that? lol | 12:08 |
| jiero | Im confused probably because I misunderstood you, dude. | 12:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | -_- | 12:10 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: are you Linux Desktop user? | 12:12 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, yes | 12:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | I have linux on literally every device that I own :) | 12:13 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: Did I ask you to review http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=168&t=342349? My design of WM/DE | 12:13 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 12:14 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: ok, please help me then :-D | 12:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | you did paste that link and asked for people's opinions. I had a look and was confused at the proposed UI layout, I may have a better understanding if you had an actual example (even `photoshopped' will do) of how it all works | 12:14 |
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| jpinx | where is mobilehotspot - which repo? | 12:15 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: ok. I better make it in animation but I even don't know how to get a host :D | 12:16 |
| jpinx | it's not coming up in extras or extras-devel | 12:16 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, what do you mean getting a host? you don't have a linux environment to work with hence you have that proposed layout? | 12:16 |
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| Vib3 | hi | 12:17 |
| Vib3 | is there way to change caller id from hidden to shown from commandline? | 12:17 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: this is just a proposal, it need works; GNOME3 folks told me if I can finish this in 5 months Im lucky. | 12:17 |
| Vib3 | theres widget for it, so i think it could be done also via shell | 12:17 |
| psycho_oreos | jpinx, seems like its in nokia's repo | 12:18 |
| jpinx | Hmm -- what's thr url to add for that? | 12:19 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, ahh, well I'm no good at imagination for UI designs without actual examples :) | 12:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | jpinx, looks like I'm wrong, see here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobilehotspot/ | 12:21 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: its not about UI, its another way to work/use: with Window Switcher like FIrefox's tab group, and able to span and zoom; and window group replaced traditional virtual desktops. | 12:21 |
| psycho_oreos | if you can't see those in your device, you probably need to refresh apt listings | 12:21 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, in other words a more interactive UI? its still UI design at the end of day to me :) | 12:22 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: yeah, its still UI design. :D any comments? | 12:24 |
| Trewas | jiero: would it actually be all that different to e.g. how expose works in compiz? | 12:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, well it goes back to what I've said before :) I can't visualise in my head without actual screenshot or somesort of proof | 12:26 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: ok. __not important after __I have to try it first to see if I implement this as GNOME-shell extension, how much have to change as Design. | 12:29 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, I've never played with Gnome3 as well :) though older copies of gnome I've tinkered with and I'm guessing its still very much the same? :) | 12:30 |
| jpinx | psycho_oreos: reading that pagebut I can't see where to get the package | 12:31 |
| jpinx | I already have the enhanced kernel | 12:31 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: nope, I installed GNOME3 yesterday, there are some smart changes. | 12:31 |
| psycho_oreos | jpinx, have you tried refreshing your apt lists? | 12:32 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, hmm ok looks like I'll have to go google up some screenies | 12:32 |
| jpinx | yep | 12:32 |
| jpinx | just did an update | 12:32 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: screenshot even video cannot tell much... because UI is interactive :D | 12:34 |
| jiero | I watched GNOME3 video but didn't understand | 12:35 |
| vi___ | is there a list of n900 hardware models and differances anywhere? | 12:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, which is why that is the only thing I have to go by unless I install gnome 3 which is unlikely. Looking at the screenshots and comparing to what you said for improvements, I barely understood your idea of window switcher. For window group, I'm confused and can only associate that with the likes of windows and their default preference to grouping similar programs to the same windows thing on the bottom | 12:36 |
| jiero | I don't know. | 12:36 |
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| jpinx | psycho_oreos: I have extras in there with free and non-free, but mobilehotspto is not showing :( any clues? | 12:37 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: in my design, only show you those window associate with current work- hand pick necessary though | 12:37 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: so I will use zeitgeist, thats also a reason I want to be with GNOME3 | 12:38 |
| Vib3 | is there way to change caller id from hidden to shown from commandline? | 12:38 |
| psycho_oreos | jpinx, so extras repo is enabled and you haven't run out of space or something? how did you refresh, through apt-get I hope? | 12:38 |
| Vib3 | theres widget for it, so i think it could be done also via shell | 12:39 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, and zeitgeist reminds me of that weird documentary film lol | 12:39 |
| jpinx | psycho_oreos: update in the gui | 12:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | jpinx, ok I'd use apt-get myself. They are far more verbose than what GUI provides (the only exception is if you used fapman/FAM and checked the logs) | 12:40 |
| psycho_oreos | Vib3, I'd look at widget's source code or maybe `string' it out | 12:40 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: I used to have sezen as startup application -sezen is a zeitgeist based file manager which show recent working documents. This whole design is not for traditional linux user, but for those focusing on current tasks and using Mouse and Touch method to control. | 12:41 |
| Vib3 | psycho_oreos: thx, where are widgets stored? | 12:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, ahh ok. I guess I'll just have to really see the end result lol. In most cases I'm quite happy to dwell in CLI for many reasons so this might even be a reason as to why I'm having issues visualising UI designs even interactive. | 12:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Vib3, they're stored in various parts of the filesystem. I'd look for the name of the package and then dump the contents of the package | 12:43 |
| psycho_oreos | with the name of the package you can do many things, such as dumping the list of files, or even searching for source codes (provided if they are even open) | 12:43 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: Its another design, which was never be done so far - unless my limited knowledge on tablets proven me wrong. Initally I want to design as an alternative interface to Meego Tablet. now I see this could also use with GNOME-Shell. | 12:46 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, ahh, but still I'm just fairly clueless with it all really.. there's like up to a handful of various GUI programs for the same task (such as file managers for instance) its just not funny to have to imagine it all in place of a UI regardless if its interactive or not imo | 12:49 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: I cannot imagine either, so I need help, current the proposal do not cover window overlap and 2 windows interactive, it would be hard if people need this feature. I spent only 5 minutes did this design and haven't get one change yet... | 12:53 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person as well :| I don't have gnome 3 installed, in fact I use fluxbox) and I have a few console sessions open here and there | 12:55 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: Not about the GNOME-shell, I haven't tried GNOME-shell when I had this idea. | 12:56 |
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| jiero | ok, so you would prefer tiling wm I guess, probably you will try that later. Firstly, the thread was answered by Awesome - a popular tiling WM, users; could try to get it up with awesome though. | 12:58 |
| Vib3 | psycho_oreos: k, cant find it :/ tried to search from repository with pc | 12:58 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: thank you. I shall read more GNOME3 documents now. | 12:58 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, maybe lol. I'm fairly indifferent to WM/DE, I just pick a lightweight one (usually) and stick with it | 12:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, sorry I can't be of more help though | 12:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | Vib3, maybe its under a different name. There's a few other choices includiing manually sifting through a big list of installed programs on your device :) | 13:00 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: tiling wm is totally different, you don't need mouse anymore as in awesome. | 13:02 |
| jiero | no window will overlap each other : | 13:02 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 13:02 |
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| jiero | Recently, many fun games have been ported to N900. Kind of too late:D | 13:35 |
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| Vib3 | psycho_oreos: k, whats syntax to download from http://repository.maemo.org ? | 13:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | I hate to think of N900 as being a dedicated gaming device. It wasn't built just for that sole purpose, but when it missed the boat to grab people's hearts, that's where all the other potentially cool programs never gets to see the light of the day. | 13:40 |
| psycho_oreos | Vib3, apt-get | 13:40 |
| psycho_oreos | or you can probably do wget if you know the exact link :p | 13:40 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: i don't use it do programming because I don't do it, I will use it to draw, note and play. Thats all I knew how to use it:D | 13:41 |
| Vib3 | psycho_oreos: found the link, its written in c, checking it out :) | 13:42 |
| em | do they still make the n900? | 13:42 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, you don't have to program :) Though the obvious contrast is that your N900 can do plenty of other things apart from just games | 13:42 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 13:43 |
| em | bummer :( | 13:43 |
| vi___ | you can still find them on fleabay and amazon though | 13:43 |
| em | ok | 13:43 |
| em | are they cheaper now? | 13:43 |
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| vi___ | although 'new' ones are becoming some what of a rarity | 13:43 |
| psycho_oreos | even through buy & sell tmo threads | 13:43 |
| em | i always thought about getting one. | 13:43 |
| vi___ | em, what country? | 13:43 |
| em | USA | 13:43 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: I just know I can program python/lua game and test onlive as on LARGER PC:D | 13:43 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, shame if you don't port it across to N900 ;) | 13:44 |
| em | vi___: USA | 13:44 |
| vi___ | I don't know what the script is with USA. In UK a BRAND new one will cost around £250, good second hand 150-200, ssecond hand 100-150, broken 50-90. | 13:45 |
| vi___ | It is so awesome evenb the broken ones command a reasonable price! | 13:45 |
| em | that's like 500 bucks I think. | 13:45 |
| vi___ | more like 420 | 13:45 |
| em | ok | 13:45 |
| vi___ | £<->$ exchange aint so great right now | 13:45 |
| em | well that's a bit expensive still. | 13:45 |
| Sicelo | bought mine new, southern africa, for usd490 :( | 13:46 |
| vi___ | well, it is the greatest piece of pocket hardware ever made. | 13:46 |
| vi___ | Sicelo: still boxed? | 13:46 |
| psycho_oreos | despite minor flaws its still very good for what it is | 13:46 |
| em | compared to 100 dollar HP Touchpads that Barnes and Noble said they sold me and then reneged. | 13:46 |
| Sicelo | yeah.. really new.. no doubt there.. actually no one is buying it here. shop still has at least two remaining | 13:47 |
| vi___ | Sicelo: Unopened, still in box? | 13:47 |
| Sicelo | yes | 13:48 |
| vi___ | if so, 490 seems about right | 13:48 |
| em | does maemo only run on these n* ? | 13:48 |
| vi___ | em yes | 13:48 |
| em | well im sorry to hear that. | 13:48 |
| vi___ | em: you know/use linux? | 13:48 |
| em | You are all very talented and good people and I hope that your efforts will flourish in your next project. | 13:49 |
| em | I do use Linux. I don't feel like I know it that well. | 13:49 |
| vi___ | em: what is more important to you? a pocket computer or a phone? | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | maemo runs on Nokia Nxxx devices not Nxx or even N8 | 13:49 |
| em | A pocket computer. | 13:49 |
| vi___ | you know linux+you want a pocket computer. You sound like you need an n900. | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | and apart from Nokia 770 the rest of the maemo generations were for Nxxx series | 13:49 |
| vi___ | em: do you own an android device? | 13:50 |
| Vib3 | psycho_oreos: #include <telepathy-glib/dbus.h> /* Suck my cock, Telepathy and Mission Control */ by Faheem Pervez :D | 13:50 |
| em | No I dont. Ive been holding out. | 13:50 |
| vi___ | Vib3: yah, qwerty12's comments were always good. | 13:50 |
| vi___ | em: qhat do you use right now? | 13:50 |
| psycho_oreos | Vib3, another tool by Faheem Pervez :) he's pretty skilled but too bad his patience span only lasted so long before his fuse blew | 13:50 |
| vi___ | psycho_oreos: pretty skilled?? he was one of the best. | 13:51 |
| em | I don't have any smartphone. Ive been holding out. First I held out to wait for a linux alternative to iPad, now I am holding out for one of those to get really good. I think I'm pretty close to believing I need something like that now though. | 13:51 |
| psycho_oreos | vi___, I'm not looking down on him, but its just a shame he left :p | 13:52 |
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| vi___ | psycho_oreos: I know, if his fuse hadn't blown we'd be communicationg with our martian colonies and travelling in hover cars right now. | 13:52 |
| vi___ | em: interesting, then why do you want an n900? | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | vi___, I sort of think that's a bit of exaggeration :p | 13:53 |
| vi___ | ! | 13:53 |
| em | I was looking at the n800's and then n900s for a long time. | 13:53 |
| Sicelo | em: we're in same boat.. i was cash-strapped, and hoped N900 would get cheaper. instead, got more expensive, lol. so two months ago i just took the plunge, and zero regrets. i know it has its faults, but no one can show you a perfect device | 13:54 |
| em | yeah. | 13:54 |
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| em | Well I find the idea of a pocket computer very attractive. | 13:54 |
| Vib3 | psycho_oreos: his fuse blew? :D | 13:54 |
| vi___ | em: well the n900 and its ilk is UTTERLY doomed. The level of tinkering and fiddling is only appealing to a particular type of person. Most people say it just plain sucks. | 13:54 |
| psycho_oreos | Vib3, metaphorically speaking | 13:54 |
| vi___ | This is mainly due to the lack of APPZ that let them LOL TWEET THERE MEME STATUS TO THE BLOGUSPHERE. | 13:55 |
| em | Yes I know that type of person. I am almost, but not quite, that type of person. I envy that type of person. :) | 13:55 |
| em | Well i think maemo is linux. You could probably install Gwibber on it. It comes with Ubuntu so why not put it on maemo. | 13:56 |
| psycho_oreos | apart from maemo and android, there's webOS, have you looked at palm pre? | 13:56 |
| em | Gwibber is some thing that interfaces with twitter I think. I never use it because I am also not in Twitter. | 13:56 |
| em | I looked at social networks for a long time too. | 13:56 |
| em | Now that I explain myself I realise I am not using a lot of things. | 13:57 |
| em | I hope that world does not pass me by. | 13:57 |
| psycho_oreos | and there's ubuntu available via chroot if you want | 13:57 |
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| em | I have to go though because the sun is beginning to rise. I'll see you all later on perhaps. | 13:58 |
| Sicelo | http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-Hardware-Buyer-HOWTO/howtobuy.html#whentobuy settled , section 8.1, my mind ;) | 13:58 |
| rm_you|johnx | errr | 13:58 |
| rm_you|johnx | psycho_oreos: no there is not webOS :P | 13:58 |
| vi___ | em: bb | 13:58 |
| rm_you|johnx | http://www.pcworld.com/article/238656/future_of_hps_webos_the_faq.html | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | linux handheld device with so much functionality aren't common. Let me be frank, if you decide to miss the boat with maemo/meego/webOS the next proper linux handheld device probably be awhile away | 13:59 |
| rm_you|johnx | webOS is almost deader than Maemo at this point | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | rm_you|johnx, then what do you call HP tablets with webOS or palm pre? HPlinux? :p | 14:00 |
| rm_you|johnx | no | 14:00 |
| rm_you|johnx | i call them cancelled | 14:00 |
| rm_you|johnx | and no longer in production or being sold | 14:00 |
| rm_you|johnx | as of last week | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe not sold new but maybe is still being sold as second hand, etc | 14:01 |
| rm_you|johnx | http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/18/its-official-hp-kills-off-webos-phones-and-the-touchpad/ | 14:01 |
| vi___ | maemo is WAAAAAY deader than webos! | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | so? nokia axed maemo ages ago. | 14:01 |
| vi___ | webos has just acheived MAXIMUM market penetration. | 14:01 |
| rm_you|johnx | at least there is still a Maemo phone to be released | 14:01 |
| vi___ | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA | 14:02 |
| rm_you|johnx | technically | 14:02 |
| rm_you|johnx | the N9 is still "supposedly" releasing at some point | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | half maemo, half meego.. yes the harmattan device(s) | 14:02 |
| rm_you|johnx | HP officially killed everything upcoming | 14:02 |
| vi___ | You must be referring to the N9, the device no one wanted. | 14:02 |
| rm_you|johnx | <_< | 14:02 |
| * rm_you|johnx is coding on his N950 right now | 14:02 | |
| vi___ | WELL WHOOOPY FUCKING DO. | 14:02 |
| rm_you|johnx | just saying | 14:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | technically webOS is a bit more "dead" | 14:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | no more official product releases | 14:03 |
| vi___ | I hope you enjoy your device that us mere proles are not even alowed to see. | 14:03 |
| DangerMaus | Ha ha | 14:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | whereas maemo technically has one :P | 14:03 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't think that nobody wouldn't want N9 but I don't think N9 would sell like hot cakes. It'll probably just be another niche offering just like N900 | 14:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | i'm just stating facts | 14:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | hp devices = cancelled, n9 = technically still releasing | 14:03 |
| rm_you|johnx | argue all you want about which one is still in a better position, i won't disagree either way :) | 14:04 |
| vi___ | hp devices had and still will get APPZ. maemo got F* all | 14:04 |
| psycho_oreos | and maemo being half dead? unlikely when nokia chose to not support maemo's predecessors | 14:04 |
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| vi___ | maemo ain't half dead! | 14:05 |
| vi___ | It is ALL dead. | 14:05 |
| rm_you|johnx | and yet somehow it still has a release coming up | 14:05 |
| rm_you|johnx | (i agree that it's going to be a dumb one) | 14:05 |
| rm_you|johnx | i'm seriously just stating facts here | 14:06 |
| vi___ | And you honestly believe it will receive ANY support what so ever? | 14:06 |
| rm_you|johnx | nope | 14:06 |
| vi___ | Then it is deaderer than webos. | 14:06 |
| vi___ | It is as dead as diablo. | 14:06 |
| rm_you|johnx | on paper webOS is dead and maemo is still being released :) | 14:06 |
| psycho_oreos | the way nokia treated their N900 owners with broken bits with offering them N8/E7. How does that not clarify that maemo is not dead? | 14:07 |
| psycho_oreos | oh wait, so lemme guess.. I go buy HP tablet, drop it onto a hard floor, get it repaired by HP and expect iPad to come out? win! | 14:07 |
| rm_you|johnx | actually, who knows | 14:08 |
| rm_you|johnx | they aren't making the hardware anymore | 14:08 |
| psycho_oreos | or maybe even HP laptop or some other HP stuff | 14:08 |
| vi___ | rm_you|johnx: how did you get an n950 anyway? | 14:08 |
| jiero | how many N900 user now? | 14:08 |
| rm_you|johnx | and they are sold out basically everywhere | 14:08 |
| rm_you|johnx | so yes | 14:08 |
| rm_you|johnx | i would expect something similar | 14:08 |
| vi___ | jiero: 4, including my 2. | 14:08 |
| jiero | Chinese secondhand N900 just sell for 800-900 yuan, around $130~$150 | 14:08 |
| rm_you|johnx | i know 3 people that use N900 besides me | 14:09 |
| jiero | ok | 14:09 |
| rm_you|johnx | but not many | 14:09 |
| rm_you|johnx | basically we are a miniscule market share :) | 14:09 |
| vi___ | When will we get chinese linux phones? | 14:09 |
| rm_you|johnx | vi___: got n950 through developer program | 14:09 |
| jiero | rm_you|johnx: surround me there are people think iPhone3GS must be better than my N900 | 14:09 |
| vi___ | Imma sick of all this android crap. | 14:09 |
| psycho_oreos | neither is nokia making N900, but instead of nokia offering its maemo owners with redemption or option to have their product returned because they don't actually have parts, they offered maemo owners with inferior symbian? how is that not saying maemo isn't dead? | 14:09 |
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| rm_you|johnx | that hardware is dead | 14:10 |
| rm_you|johnx | if you send in an iPhone3, would they send you that or a 3GS? (if they even have 3GS still) | 14:10 |
| rm_you|johnx | i've had the same thing happen on video cards | 14:10 |
| psycho_oreos | what I'm trying to say is they don't even care about their existing maemo owners. So really with N9 being unlikely supported soon enough, do you still think maemo is alive and kicking? | 14:11 |
| kerio | rm_you|johnx: the problem is that our iphone 3 is much, much better than our iphone 3gs | 14:11 |
| rm_you|johnx | got a newer model back because they were out of the old one | 14:11 |
| kerio | *iphone 3g, btw | 14:11 |
| rm_you|johnx | yeah, but they don't understand those kind of metrics | 14:11 |
| rm_you|johnx | it's honestly not their fault for looking at numbers on paper and misunderstanding | 14:11 |
| kerio | we do | 14:11 |
| rm_you|johnx | well | 14:11 |
| rm_you|johnx | it is their fault | 14:11 |
| rm_you|johnx | but you can't really blame them | 14:11 |
| rm_you|johnx | they just see specs | 14:12 |
| vi___ | rm_you|johnx: what is ovi maps on n950 like? | 14:12 |
| rm_you|johnx | vi___: about 10000000% better | 14:12 |
| rm_you|johnx | there's even a useful turn-by-turn | 14:12 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, dare you to do this to those who try and snub your N900 in front of you: http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html | 14:12 |
| vi___ | http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html | 14:13 |
| vi___ | classic | 14:13 |
| psycho_oreos | priceless | 14:13 |
| rm_you|johnx | looool | 14:14 |
| vi___ | rm_you|johnx: have you tried ripping the ovi maps binarys out and spazzing them into the n900 yet? | 14:14 |
| rm_you|johnx | nope | 14:14 |
| rm_you|johnx | wonder if that would work | 14:14 |
| vi___ | rm_you|johnx: will you? | 14:14 |
| rm_you|johnx | i could look at it... | 14:15 |
| rm_you|johnx | i have a feeling that would be hellishly complicated | 14:15 |
| vi___ | I will email you 50 beers. | 14:15 |
| lcuk | rm_you|johnx, I see the genetic splicing program is going full swing! | 14:15 |
| rm_you|johnx | the whole architecture changed somewhat | 14:15 |
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| rm_you|johnx | lcuk: lol | 14:15 |
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| rm_you|johnx | i'm at johnx's house | 14:15 |
| lcuk | rm_you|johnx, n900 binaries can work on n950 | 14:15 |
| lcuk | say hi \o | 14:15 |
| rm_you|johnx | yes, depending on what libs they use | 14:15 |
| rm_you|johnx | ... | 14:15 |
| rm_you|johnx | maps isn't a simple app | 14:15 |
| rm_you|johnx | it touches a lot of things | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | sure | 14:16 |
| rm_you|johnx | who knows what complications could be involved | 14:16 |
| lcuk | every part of the world infact :P | 14:16 |
| rm_you|johnx | all i'm saying is, i can't promise anything :P | 14:16 |
| rm_you|johnx | if i have extra time and remember, i will look | 14:16 |
| rm_you|johnx | i do have my n900 here still | 14:16 |
| rm_you|johnx | lcuk: have you used maps on n950? | 14:16 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: 。。。。 | 14:17 |
| rm_you|johnx | lcuk: do you agree it's like 1000000% better? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | rm_you|johnx, i know it is better, the ovi bug stops me logging in | 14:17 |
| rm_you|johnx | :( | 14:17 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, one of the many things you can do with N900 :) | 14:17 |
| * lcuk will use it soon :) | 14:17 | |
| rm_you|johnx | mine works flawlessly | 14:17 |
| rm_you|johnx | what is this ovi bug? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | bug 234 | 14:18 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/234 (some) applets should be resizeable | 14:18 |
| hiemanshu | vi___: they wont work, ovi maps needs aegis | 14:18 |
| lcuk | http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=234 | 14:18 |
| povbot | Bug 234: (some) applets should be resizeable | 14:18 |
| rm_you|johnx | it NEEDS aegis? rofl | 14:18 |
| rm_you|johnx | goddamn aegis | 14:18 |
| rm_you|johnx | still wish that thing would just die | 14:18 |
| hiemanshu | well in a way yes | 14:18 |
| hiemanshu | because it needs a nokia account to work, and that wont work without aegis | 14:18 |
| vi___ | aegis make me want to sick in my own pants. | 14:19 |
| vi___ | while wearing them. | 14:19 |
| psycho_oreos | vi___, I saw your thread on WTB. I suppose nobody took the bait? I guess the other WTB is spreading FUD heh | 14:20 |
| rm_you|johnx | lcuk: did you read the several comments that said a reflash fixes it? :) | 14:20 |
| vi___ | psycho_oreos: some guy asked for $1001 | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | vi___, and you still reject the offer? | 14:20 |
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| vi___ | psycho_oreos: yes. | 14:21 |
| psycho_oreos | vi___, ahh ok | 14:21 |
| vi___ | psycho_oreos: that is x2 my car. | 14:21 |
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| vi___ | I am a harware enthusiast. Not an idiot. | 14:21 |
| rm_you|johnx | yeah it's not worth THAT much more <_< | 14:21 |
| rm_you|johnx | it's neat, but if i had to BUY it, barely worth the $500 in current state | 14:22 |
| rm_you|johnx | probably way less | 14:22 |
| vi___ | ok more like x1.5 my car | 14:22 |
| rm_you|johnx | i'd much rather have a galaxy tab or something | 14:22 |
| rm_you|johnx | for that price | 14:22 |
| rm_you|johnx | and keep n900 | 14:22 |
| psycho_oreos | vi___, I did at one stage fork out around about that much in AUD for my old nokia phone (brand new at the time of course). I'm skeptic if some of those sellers do actually own one or are they simply scammers :) | 14:22 |
| rm_you|johnx | yeah honestly for people who got them, now would be the best time to ditch them | 14:23 |
| vi___ | depending on what I get back from the nokia care point, I may be wtb an RX-51 board, any condition. | 14:23 |
| rm_you|johnx | since it looks like even the N9 is barely going to be released anywhere | 14:23 |
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| rm_you|johnx | and later they will be worth nothing | 14:23 |
| vi___ | Does anyone have an old rx-51 board they wanna punt? | 14:23 |
| rm_you|johnx | and nokia is almost certainly not going to ask for them back once they get this thing behind them | 14:24 |
| rm_you|johnx | they will forget meego/maemo and the names of everyone involved ASAP | 14:24 |
| psycho_oreos | what doesn't matter is their resell price, what does matter is that you still have the physical item. If you love to tinker around I'm sure you'd keep the device as long as you can :p | 14:24 |
| rm_you|johnx | yeah, that's why i'm holding on to mine like my life depends on it :P | 14:25 |
| rm_you|johnx | nokia can get it back from me out of my cold dead hands | 14:25 |
| mece | \o | 14:25 |
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| * psycho_oreos sees Elop intercepted that message and sends that bit of info to his secret track & arrest personnel dept. I think you're now wanted ;) | 14:26 | |
| rm_you|johnx | lol | 14:26 |
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| rm_you|johnx | actually if they took it back it might be a miracle, i could just go buy an android phone and stop wasting my life re-doing the work that's already been done to get the things i want working on my phone | 14:27 |
| rm_you|johnx | like Pandora... which has a native app... | 14:27 |
| psycho_oreos | not if you're dead as you requested :D | 14:27 |
| rm_you|johnx | and media playing, which works with the built-in app or one of several 3rd party apps... | 14:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | well amputated hands | 14:27 |
| rm_you|johnx | :P | 14:27 |
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| * ShadowJK wishes "designers" stopped messing with media player so they could make a usable one :) | 14:28 | |
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| rm_you|johnx | ShadowJK: i'm just working on mplayer. it doesn't even have a GUI :P | 14:29 |
| rm_you|johnx | i am about to have mplayer2 working i think | 14:29 |
| * ShadowJK made the neon stuff work in maemo5 mplayer iirc | 14:30 | |
| rm_you|johnx | yeah | 14:30 |
| rm_you|johnx | it will work | 14:30 |
| ShadowJK | iirc not autodetected by configure, and needed special flags here and there to assemble | 14:31 |
| rm_you|johnx | it's a bit better now | 14:31 |
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| mece | nokia is announcing some new stuff | 14:33 |
| mece | symbian | 14:33 |
| * psycho_oreos shudders | 14:33 | |
| * ShadowJK cringes | 14:34 | |
| mece | but it's always nice with Qt devices imo. | 14:34 |
| psycho_oreos | even if it is W9/Sea Ray? | 14:34 |
| rm_you|johnx | wtf? new symbian stuff? | 14:34 |
| mece | so it appears | 14:35 |
| rm_you|johnx | i thought that platform already burned to the ground :P | 14:35 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, well if I can develop for it, I'm good. I wouldn't buy such a device tho. | 14:35 |
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| rm_you|johnx | holycrap ffmpeg has been compiling for 60 minutes now and 70% of that has been docs generation >_< | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, you most likely could but I guess without actually buying the hardware and wanting to develop programs for it... well you know the drill | 14:36 |
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| mece | psycho_oreos, I just really like Qt, so the more Qt devices the better. | 14:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | mece, you know you could probably see yourself in luck (maybe) in getting W9 for free like how the other devs got N950 ;) | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe nokia will hand them out like candies again | 14:42 |
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| utanapischti | how do i join a channel (irc) when using account-plugin-idle? is there some hidden documentation somewhere? | 14:47 |
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| mece | psycho_oreos, well I have an N950. but from what I hear wp don't support qt. | 14:47 |
| rm_you|johnx | utanapischti: it was... complicated when i finally figured it out | 14:48 |
| rm_you|johnx | if i recall correctly, you need to make a contact | 14:48 |
| rm_you|johnx | and start a chat with that contact | 14:48 |
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| rm_you|johnx | it has been a while since i did it | 14:49 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, ahh that'd be interesting. I thought nokia would take Qt to wp7, if they don't they've basically contradicted their point of making Qt available to wp7 and leaving it dead in its tracks along with maemo/meego | 14:49 |
| utanapischti | the normal "chatroom betreten" (join chatroom?) does not work? i just thought i dont know how to name the chatroom... | 14:49 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, have they said they would make it available for wp7? I haven't heard that. | 14:50 |
| utanapischti | using jabber it was straightforward... | 14:50 |
| utanapischti | :.\ | 14:50 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, they said to make qt available for the next billion people, not the next 32 people (which is what I believe the total sales of wp7 phones will be) | 14:51 |
| utanapischti | maybe i'll stick to ssh-ing @home and have weechat in screen there... | 14:51 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, no but they were intending to have it on wp7, but that was on some random news site I read awhile ago | 14:51 |
| mece | so qt for dumbphones, making dumbphones smartphones, in the iphone sense of the word. | 14:51 |
| mece | Is what I figure it means. | 14:52 |
| psycho_oreos | and nokia's wp7 won't even stand out from the rest of its wp7 community manufacturers apart from having nokia branding lol | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought s40 was for next billion | 14:52 |
| * SpeedEvil may be getting confused | 14:52 | |
| mece | SpeedEvil, that's what I meant by dumbphones | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:54 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, I'm just ignoring wp7 as I have no interest in that | 14:54 |
| rm_you|johnx | utanapischti: yeah i use XChat on n900 | 14:54 |
| rm_you|johnx | or ssh and use irssi in a screen on home server :P | 14:54 |
| mece | symbian belle looks like android | 14:54 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, hahahaha I thought you'd go wherever Qt takes you ;) | 14:54 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, well, yeah, but I predict wp7 to fail miserably | 14:55 |
| utanapischti | i'n used to sshing @home to weechat in screen because of my 9300ers... | 14:55 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, for a phone for me I only care about linux. | 14:55 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, I predict death to nokia :) after nokia stops producing maemo/meego devices | 14:55 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, +1 me too | 14:55 |
| Sicelo | 9300ers? | 14:57 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, I'm not in a hurry to get a new linux phone tho. N9 is plenty for me right now. But it's a tad worrying that there is absolutely no other device in sight at all, anywhere. | 14:57 |
| vi___ | am I the only one that uses irssi on the n900? xchat is such a waste of screen space. | 14:57 |
| Sicelo | u not vi___ :) i also do | 14:57 |
| mece | vi___: how is xchat a waste of screen space? | 14:57 |
| Sicelo | couldnt stand xchat.. but DocScrutinizer's .conf makes it better | 14:58 |
| rm_you|johnx | as i said, i do too :P just not DIRECTLY on n900, via ssh | 14:58 |
| utanapischti | Sicelo: nokia (communicator) 9300 | 14:58 |
| Vib3 | vi___: i use irssi, but from my own server via n900 | 14:58 |
| rm_you|johnx | more stable connection on my home server | 14:58 |
| mece | nfc is pretty sweet... | 14:58 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, apart from others in bits and pieces really there's not much.. openmoko is probably the only distant relative of more full featured linux on a handheld device | 14:58 |
| Sicelo | kewl utanapischti, i have been using same, 9300i, till 2 weeks ago :P | 14:58 |
| utanapischti | i dont see how the n900 can replace the 9300 | 14:59 |
| psycho_oreos | vi___, I use irssi on N900 but not all the time, and yeah I don't really like how with xchat under N900 its all cramped | 14:59 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, I'm hoping for more meego, and I do think there will be. | 14:59 |
| Sicelo | they should be together utanapischti :) | 14:59 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, only time will tell at this point :/ I'm hoping of a meego device equivalent to N900/N950 or better and that will fulfil my desires | 15:00 |
| rm_you|johnx | all i want is a phone with a keyboard. i appreciate the linux bits, but android would be fine <_< | 15:00 |
| psycho_oreos | apart from that cordiatab has GSM functionality it seems | 15:00 |
| utanapischti | for me the 9300 is a phone and the n900 a nerd-toy | 15:00 |
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| utanapischti | n900 is for fun, 9300 for business | 15:00 |
| rm_you|johnx | utanapischti: hey i remember when they wouldn't admit n900 was a phone | 15:00 |
| mece | wtf is 9300? | 15:00 |
| Sicelo | true :P | 15:01 |
| rm_you|johnx | back at the berlin conference | 15:01 |
| utanapischti | mece: a phone | 15:01 |
| Sicelo | series 80 based nokia | 15:01 |
| psycho_oreos | its been said many times that N900 is not a phone but an internet tablet with phone functionality | 15:01 |
| utanapischti | so nerd-toy is not too wrong :P | 15:01 |
| mece | psycho_oreos, well, I doubt we'll see another device like N900. I think that was a one time blip of awesome. | 15:02 |
| psycho_oreos | and compared to the likes of symbian devices, I'd be happy to stick with a linux phone, something that I can tinker with at any time rather than dealing with symbian's epic control schemes | 15:02 |
| utanapischti | you dont need to tinker on 9300, you are forced to tinker on n900 | 15:03 |
| utanapischti | thats the difference | 15:03 |
| CodenameStrike-N | Is it safe to say that one of N900's flaw that made Nokia stop on it | 15:03 |
| psycho_oreos | mece, I agree N900 is definitely awesome (with some minor issues of course) but I wouldn't agree that there won't be another device similar or better than N900 apart from android devices | 15:03 |
| mece | android devices are nothing like N900 | 15:04 |
| CodenameStrike-N | ... Actually, I can't even decide what's bad about it | 15:04 |
| psycho_oreos | utanapischti, maemo was marketed for the niche community, that's the only reason why it lacks so many features when it is given phone functionality | 15:04 |
| utanapischti | the keyboard | 15:04 |
| Sicelo | what flaw CodenameStrike-N ? | 15:04 |
| CodenameStrike-N | Android got nothing on this | 15:05 |
| utanapischti | type a longer email on one of the communicators (9110 upwards) and you'll feel the difference... | 15:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | I agree but some of the specs on android devices (physical/hardware specs mind you) are equal or better than N900. Its just their OS (android) is rather somewhat shocking :) | 15:05 |
| mece | android is a smartphone os, maemo is desktop linux. | 15:05 |
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| CodenameStrike-N | because I remember being totally awed by someone drawing on an N900 | 15:06 |
| CodenameStrike-N | Sicelo: too configurable, needs tweakings for nice sailing, when most people are like: wtf is this "X-terminal?" | 15:06 |
| psycho_oreos | utanapischti, what about responding to a tmo thread with very deep explanation? lemme dig that post that I wrote using only N900 | 15:07 |
| psycho_oreos | X-terminal isn't a flaw, it was most likely a left over from the predecessor's idea of maemo as an internet tablet | 15:08 |
| utanapischti | that's why the n900 is a nerd-toy... | 15:08 |
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| utanapischti | nerds will use it | 15:08 |
| utanapischti | smile! i got one n900 too | 15:08 |
| em | utanapischti sounds like a name from a Hindi text or the Epic of Gilgamesh. | 15:08 |
| psycho_oreos | and what about openmoko owners? | 15:08 |
| Corsac | are there any? | 15:08 |
| utanapischti | em: gilgamesh epos | 15:08 |
| Sicelo | lol, that can't be a reason to stop N900 CodenameStrike-N. they just have bad moods, lol. stopping products while buyers still want them. just now we were referring to 9xxx devices, read up, and you will see people still wanted them.. and there wasn't anything particularly wrong with them either | 15:08 |
| utanapischti | utanapischti is the "noah" in the gilgamesh epos | 15:09 |
| psycho_oreos | you must be either blind or ignorant to not see them Corsac :) no offense | 15:09 |
| Corsac | well, there are some owners, maybe | 15:09 |
| em | utanapischti: oh well then that would be why it sounded like that to me :) | 15:09 |
| Corsac | but users... :) | 15:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | Corsac, hardly different to the situation here with N900 | 15:09 |
| CodenameStrike-N | <Sicelo> lol, that can't be a reason to stop N900 CodenameStrike-N. they just have bad moods, lol. stopping products while buyers still want them. just now we were referring to 9xxx devices, read up, and you will see people still wanted them.. and there wasn't anything particularly wrong with them either | 15:10 |
| CodenameStrike-N | figured as much | 15:10 |
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| utanapischti | hmmm... now that irc-plugin doesnt connect at all... it connectet for every attemt to join a chatroom and i tried that many times in a short interval so maybe the irc server now blocks me because of too fast reconnecting... and no meaningfull error message... i'll stick to using irc via sshing @home... | 15:14 |
| psycho_oreos | its not like nokia has bad moods, it was rather an epic fail attempt that they released N900 late and had too much of high expectations for the said device | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: thanks for appreciating my xchat conf :-D | 15:14 |
| Sicelo | yeah. prolly so. but this isn't the first time, sadly.. | 15:15 |
| Sicelo | yw DocScrutinizer | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ in case anybody got teased. (duh, I have to update those files I guess) | 15:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | utanapischti, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1062097&postcount=5 <--- long enough to qualify a long email? did that via N900 whilst in hospital :p | 15:23 |
| utanapischti | some build cathedrals using matches... some write books on bad keyboards... | 15:24 |
| utanapischti | :-D | 15:24 |
| psycho_oreos | and I wasn't just responding to one tmo thread at the time. I did a whole bunch of replies with just two thumbs that I have, N900 and a seat in hospital :p | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 15:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | oom | 15:35 |
| edheldil | some people think that n900's failure was due to open-sourceness or too many choices, but I think the culprit was Nokia's half hearted support of it, combined with changing development goals and high price | 15:40 |
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| rm_you|johnx | yeah | 15:41 |
| rm_you|johnx | nokia basically killed it | 15:41 |
| rm_you|johnx | with no advertising / support | 15:41 |
| rm_you|johnx | and no negotiation with vendors to get it subsidized | 15:41 |
| rm_you|johnx | and treating the maemo team like second class citizens at the company half the time it seemed like <_< | 15:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | And then there was the ovi debacle | 15:45 |
| edheldil | what do you mean? The inability to get it running for a long time? | 15:45 |
| edheldil | I only had an access to duty-call phone then, so OVI was not really on my radar | 15:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ovi store was (from memory) basically not working for the first three months of launch, and for the next 6 months diddn't work well, and took ages to get stuff approved, ad was then shut. | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | and | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | ovi store killed the N900 for commercial devs | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | where shut = queries about how to get apps in store was met by 'don't bother' | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 15:50 |
| rm_you|johnx | yeah basically we got Angry Birds, and that was it. | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | there's also 3d roller coaster! | 15:50 |
| edheldil | I have Angry birds :) | 15:50 |
| rm_you|johnx | lol | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Angry birds, and the next level pack was purchasable for a week or two, and then went away | 15:50 |
| psycho_oreos | bounce evolution wasn't too bad imo, of course not as impressive as angry birds but | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Bounce evolution, with another few dozen levels would be awesome | 15:50 |
| psycho_oreos | what about spin! and zenbound? | 15:50 |
| psycho_oreos | I really like the bg-music used in bounce evolution (time attack mode) | 15:51 |
| edheldil | I hoped there would be full version of labyrinth :( | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OVI == Nokia's high ambitious plans to earn money with apps, rather than selling proper hardware. They are silly, or call it crazy | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a long depressing list of me-too business decisions | 15:53 |
| psycho_oreos | and it was rather late entry, again full of fail with ovi that ovi never reached to the same status as android's marketplace or iOS's App Store | 15:53 |
| edheldil | I have seen this approach termed cargocult marketing | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while Nokia had a decent unique feature of offering a FOSS OS | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, you can find the mp3 with dpkg -L bounce | 15:53 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I did but thanks for the info :) | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | With my user hat on, I don't care about FOSS | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | but Nokia at large (or at "high") never really got the idea behind FOSS, and the result is aegis and Nokia vanishing 2012 | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I would have found a n900+ a worthwhile upgrade. | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now we'll get N9 instead, and even that is stillborn | 15:56 |
| psycho_oreos | at least it solidified :| | 15:56 |
| edheldil | I would really like to know how much of them they plan to manufacture, since they tried hard to make it fail :) | 15:56 |
| jacekowski | so what's the thing about aegis | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | if aegis dies, the N9's a pretty good device tbh | 15:57 |
| CodenameStrike-N | N9 :/ | 15:57 |
| CodenameStrike-N | needs a physical keyboard | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | you can still replace kernel | 15:57 |
| psycho_oreos | N950 is moreso stillborn than N9 heh.. in either case both will be left crippled, half-baked or whatever other term you prefer to use | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes, and you can still get proper linux on milestone | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | only thing i use the physical keyboard for on the N950 is irc | 15:57 |
| edheldil | n9 won't have AB at all ;-) | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | aka this | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | i'm thinking about W7 version of N9 | 15:58 |
| jacekowski | if it happens | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | and that would make me a N900 keyboard warrior? ;) | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | the vkb is actually pretty good, you can get high typing speeds on it | 15:58 |
| ab | edheldil, Angry Birds are included into N9's stock firmware | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | s/keyboard/hardware\ keyboard/ | 15:58 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: and that would make me a N900 hardware\ keyboard warrior? ;) | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: indeed, the HARM thing is a deadend | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, HARM? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | attan | 15:59 |
| hiemanshu | well you could ssh from the N900 to the N9 :P | 15:59 |
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| edheldil | jacekowski: N9 as a ploy to fulfill their contract with intel and then replace the os with WP? | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | edheldil: dunno | 15:59 |
| psycho_oreos | sorry my head isn't working.. I'm resorting to asking google :| | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | edheldil: there was no contract with intel | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ folks | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | ut it looks like WP7 will not be abandoned like maemo/meego | 16:00 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh! I get it | 16:00 |
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| edheldil | ab: really? Then there's still a chance for it ;). Mayvbe it would be possible to get new versions of AB ffor n900 via this route | 16:01 |
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| hiemanshu | edheldil: ab is a part of N9 yes | 16:01 |
| hiemanshu | (free with magic) | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | Angry Birds with Magic is on the N9 | 16:01 |
| hiemanshu | or something | 16:01 |
| edheldil | jacekowski: so this contract is just a myth? Ehh, that serves me well :) | 16:02 |
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| asktoby | Hello - looking to get a Nokia n900 | 16:03 |
| asktoby | What's the current state of play as regards turn-by-turn offline nav for the car? | 16:03 |
| cehteh | monav | 16:03 |
| cehteh | monav.openstreetmap.de | 16:03 |
| cehteh | speech output is in the queue | 16:04 |
| edheldil | what about modRana? It definitely works somehow ... | 16:04 |
| psycho_oreos | asktoby, either use alternative apps or hack the nokia maps to work with maybe a 3D map view and possible turn-by-turn nav | 16:04 |
| psycho_oreos | s/apps/programs/ | 16:04 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: asktoby, either use alternative programs or hack the nokia maps to work with maybe a 3D map view and possible turn-by-turn nav | 16:04 |
| ab | hiemanshu, to get magic working all you need is RFID card. For example, people were able to unlock new levels with Helsinki public transport cards | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | is monav written in Qt? | 16:06 |
| hiemanshu | ab: but first I need a N9 for that :P | 16:06 |
| RST38h | moo, ab | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | ab lolwtf | 16:06 |
| ab | hiemanshu, right, n950 is not enough, it does not have NFC :) | 16:06 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: iirc yes | 16:06 |
| ab | MohammadAG, really, it is hillarious | 16:07 |
| hiemanshu | ab: exactly, but I already finish AB on a lot of devices | 16:07 |
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| hiemanshu | I really mean a lot | 16:07 |
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| asktoby | So it is possible currently to use n900 for in-car nav in some form? | 16:07 |
| cehteh | asktoby: yes | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | for some reason, i was thinking of getting an iPod touch yesterday | 16:07 |
| cehteh | i use it on my bike handlebar :) | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | someone punch me in the face please | 16:07 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: do you need to talk? | 16:07 |
| asktoby | That's good. My eBay auction ends in 7 minutes. :) | 16:07 |
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| hiemanshu | where it hurts most | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, 78MBs maps for israel, this is... interesting | 16:08 |
| * psycho_oreos pours a bucket of icy cold water over MohammadAG's face | 16:08 | |
| cehteh | its awesome routing one through small paths in unknown cities .. while being OSM based the quality may differ of course | 16:08 |
| chem|st | asktoby: not only in some form... works pretty good | 16:08 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: the 'routing logic' is in the files | 16:08 |
| asktoby | I'm not planning on getting a data plan. It all works offline? | 16:08 |
| psycho_oreos | asktoby, as long as you download the map files and install them correctly, yes | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, point is, israel's maps are usually one mb or something | 16:09 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes monav is qt, AFAIK | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | cause they're usually empty | 16:09 |
| asktoby | Brilliant, thanks. | 16:09 |
| cehteh | routing in the blink of your eye | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | asktoby: I used marbe iirc and that wasn't that bad compared to the navi on my friend's C7(?), gave better advice to keep the route for 18km etc. Trsted on our way Nuernberg->Finowfurt (CCCamp) | 16:09 |
| cehteh | no much cpu required | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | make that "Tested" or "Trusted", whatever you prefer | 16:10 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: read the authors diploma thesis, this are not maps, this is preprocessed routing information | 16:10 |
| cehteh | also thats detailed vector maps .. works completely offline | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Marble* | 16:10 |
| psycho_oreos | asktoby, this is very true for nokia maps. Though getting modRana, CloudGPS, et. al. to use offline maps is different (they use more open sourced map providers) and I don't even know if they still require internet access on top of all that | 16:10 |
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| cehteh | dont compare apples with cherries | 16:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | asktoby, I also have to warn you as well that GPS without internet access at all may take longer to pinpoint your location and may work more horribly during cloudy days | 16:11 |
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| edheldil | asktoby: n900 requires internet access for the GPS to get fix. | 16:11 |
| psycho_oreos | no it doesn't | 16:11 |
| cehteh | without internet it just takes longer, sometimes very long and you need good signal reception | 16:12 |
| psycho_oreos | it'll complain if you don't give it internet access, but I think it depends on certain conditions. I'm sure you could somehow make it never connect to internet | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | asktoby: ( psycho_oreos ) offline navi also even supposed to work with marble and moNav plugin | 16:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | that was noted above | 16:12 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: India is 293M :/ | 16:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, heh marble is yet another program that doesn't depend on nokia maps as well iinm. | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet another? what else? | 16:14 |
| psycho_oreos | modRana, cloudgps | 16:14 |
| edheldil | cehteh: you might be right, but many times I have just gave up and connected :( | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah well, doesn't depend on nokia doesn't mean it does on board navi | 16:14 |
| psycho_oreos | of course not but that means you'll need to download the maps from other sources :/ if only they could be made to work with nokia maps | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, at least most map apps work for you | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | most google maps apps show a white blank map for israel | 16:16 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: sure, with the wrong address | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | except mappero and the iPhone app | 16:16 |
| cehteh | edheldil: with what app? | 16:16 |
| Corsac | mwarf, 3 new symbian devices | 16:16 |
| cehteh | nokia maps shuts down the gps when there is no position after some (too short) time | 16:17 |
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| cehteh | thats a known bug | 16:17 |
| edheldil | gpxview, modrana, nokia maps. | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: 60s | 16:17 |
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| cehteh | maybe i dont use it at all | 16:17 |
| cehteh | modranda, mappero and the gps-track-logger widget works | 16:17 |
| edheldil | ah, possibly that was the reason with ovi maps, because I remember sitting for an hour on a spot and not getting the fix | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and location test GUI app to the rescue | 16:18 |
| cehteh | the gps tracklogger is a good thing anyways, as it keeps the gps on while you can switch other apps and doesnt eat much power | 16:18 |
| edheldil | the others could have been due to me being fed up with the connect popup | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | start GPS via location test GUI, when fix start whatever map prog you like | 16:18 |
| cehteh | i use the tracklogger widget for that | 16:19 |
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| edheldil | thanks for the tips | 16:19 |
| vi___ | That reminds me of a joke. | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: disable "netwok GPS" in settings -> no more connect requester | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | heya javispedro | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi | 16:20 |
| javispedro | hi | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | *: ciao | 16:20 |
| vi___ | MohammadAG: now has an n950? | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | had it since 1 or 2 august | 16:21 |
| edheldil | speaking of modrana, I was a bit disappointed when I tried to use it for real. Hopefully it gets more usable | 16:21 |
| edheldil | DocScrutinizer: thanks, I know, but that requires extra effort, comparable to 10 cancels of that popup :) | 16:22 |
| vi___ | how to get the same power saving level as smart reflex without using smart refelex? | 16:27 |
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| Sicelo | what was your lowest standby current draw with SR? | 16:31 |
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| asktoby | It seems you can tell the N900 to use an external bluetooth GPS device which I already own, which should simplify things | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | n900 has internal gps as well | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Sicelo: Smartreflex is largely irrelevant to power draw when idle | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Sicelo: It only affects the device when active | 16:35 |
| Sicelo | ok | 16:35 |
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| jacekowski | and smartreflex is broken by design | 16:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It's broken by implementation. | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | that's part of the desing | 16:37 |
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| ShadowJK | it has a bug with some external gpses | 16:45 |
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| vi___ | there is 64MB of unpartitioned space at the end of the emmc. Is it there for a particular reason? | 17:24 |
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| vdv | hi all | 17:35 |
| vdv | from my old nokia phone it's possible to set barring on incoming, outgoing, international etc. calls. how can i do that with maemo? | 17:36 |
| vdv | i also know that commands for manipulating barrings are something like *#351#yes for checking status for example | 17:37 |
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| vdv | but that doesn't function on n900 too | 17:37 |
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| luke-jr | vdv: Maemo isn't a phone platform. It just has a minimal "phone" app. Maybe you can write some software to do it. | 17:43 |
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| ShadowJK | probably with starhash one can enter the old style codes | 17:45 |
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| vdv | ShadowJK, i've tried, but it says, that service code is not supported | 17:48 |
| vdv | *#06# works | 17:48 |
| vdv | but *#351# not | 17:49 |
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| vdv | seems there's a starhash enabler in repo... | 17:50 |
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| ShadowJK | you'd need that before it would accept anything except *#06# | 17:54 |
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| chem|st | vdv: there is a program for those gsm-code stuff afaik | 18:20 |
| chem|st | vdv: and for basics you need to enable it in a config file with a texteditor of your choice... | 18:20 |
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| slonopotamus | python on extras builder doesn't have subprocess module. python on n900 does. wtf? | 18:25 |
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| ShadowJK | autobuilder starts with rm -rf / doesn't it | 18:47 |
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| ShadowJK | python2.5-minimal? | 18:50 |
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| slonopotamus_ | ShadowJK: I guess no: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/subversion_1.6.17dfsg-1maemo1/armel.root.log.OK.txt | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I heard rm -rf / doesn't work | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vdv: install *# starhash-enabler (@chemist: that's the luxury variant of an editor) | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: and no, I don't think there's any app particularly for handling USSD like *#351#, those USSD should get sent via GSM control channel without any special preprocessing that would look to the actual sequence | 19:22 |
| rtyler | hmmm, is there a good "device lock" shortcut/widget running around? | 19:22 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, already installed :) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ another download | 19:23 |
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| psychologe | hello,i use opera browse news night, how to modity user.css ,let opera support night mode? | 20:36 |
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| andre__ | psychologe, that's rather a question for an opera channel, as I don't think it's Maemo specific | 20:52 |
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