IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-08-23

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Jaffahiemanshu: Mrs Jaffa says we have no need, what with the numerous laptops + iPad00:02
DocScrutinizersid_: could you have an eye on OM server at work?00:02
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DocScrutinizerseems the iron is old and flaky00:02
hiemanshuJaffa: hah ok00:02
Jaffahiemanshu: + 2 N810s + Android cheap tablet + ExoPC (largely unused)00:03
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hiemanshuJaffa: ugh, you have so many, and I barely have access to any :/00:04
hiemanshuwait, that rhymes00:04
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jack_ltwould this vcalendar plugin work on a n900?00:25
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, I decided to drop the cssu00:50
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MohammadAGactually, my bouncer just died :p00:51
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merlin1991yeah, I was thinking that, but you never can be 99% sure :D00:51
merlin1991but you should get your bouncer hosted somewhere else, you've had quite some downtime in the past few months00:52
MohammadAGit's a home server :p00:52
MohammadAGoh, and you should actually prepare for the day I drop the CSSU00:52
MohammadAGwhat if elop adopts me00:52
merlin1991hand over the admin rights for the gitorious project and the ssh keys for the repo acces nao ;)00:53
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merlin1991actually did you look into the thing with the gitorious project and adding repositories?00:53
MohammadAG+cssu-developers has all ticks ticked00:54
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merlin1991seems to be a per design thingy then00:54
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merlin1991can you set other users as co owners of the project?00:55
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MohammadAGno idea00:55
merlin1991ah yeah if you ever go onto a festival expecting rain, still bring some sunlotion00:56
merlin1991skinburn sucks :D00:56
MohammadAGUbuntu 11.10 released o_O00:56
MohammadAGcan't be true00:57
merlin1991I still run some 9.04 iirc00:57
merlin1991and err s/skinburn/sunburn/00:57
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MohammadAGOh, alpha release00:57
* javispedro sighs at nokia still sending me "tips" about the n90000:57
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MohammadAG"You're using a burning platform, don't forget to wear gloves!"00:58
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nicofsdoes anyone know how i can get in touch with qole?01:07
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MohammadAG(is one way)01:09
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nicofsis there no old-fashioned mail or something..?01:15
nicofsi'd write to him via - but i can't join there...01:16
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: kill cherry (app & account)01:21
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: javispedro: kill MyNokia (app & account)01:21
javispedrobut the damage is done, now to unsubscribe I need to do the sms part01:21
javispedroeven though I think I didn't subscribe via cherry01:21
DocScrutinizernah, yiu can delete the account via web01:21
javispedromaybe I did check some checkbox when I registered the n900 on the webo01:22
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MohammadAGnicofs, you could DM him asking for an email01:27
MohammadAGDirect Message01:35
MohammadAGyou're not a twitter user eh? :P01:35
nicofsMohammadAG, no, not really... found out the mail add anyway^^01:37
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Primeshi I'm running n900 maemo 5 PR1.3. I updated some apps. When I resume from a locked screen, I see the message now "package "kernel-power-settings" no found. I don't think I want to update the kernel because I'm dual booting meego, and don't want to break what works. So what should I install to get rid of this message, was it some overclocking type app?04:44
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Maceromg this asus transformer is great04:50
Macerwhere is meego for the transformer04:51
wmarone__ask Asus04:51
wmarone__or start a port, there are tegra 2 drivers available now04:51
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Macerheh. i am joking. honeycomb is actually pretty good04:54
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Primesallegedly the nokia n950 developer phone appears in the latest transformers movie04:55
Macertoo bad that is probably the only one ever made :)04:56
Maceri wish nokia would just use their heads sometimes04:56
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Maceri can't see using meego the way i used maemo with no qwerty04:57
Maceri would go nuts04:57
Primesabout 250 were given out to community developers (only to a quarter of people requesting them)04:57
wmarone__Primes: I'm sure people in here are well aware of that ;)04:57
Primesmacer I guess if you want qwerty you can tether a bluetooth keyboard?04:57
MacerPrimes: not the same04:57
Primesbut I think PAYING developers (commercial ones) could still get them04:57
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Macerdon't get me wrong it is a good solution i suppose but sometimes you just want t pull it out the pocket and flip it open04:58
wmarone__you can, but nokia still goes over the requests and you have to be published in the Ovi store04:58
Macerlike the n900.. which has a surprisingly good qwerty for its size04:58
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PrimesI flip open my n900. Typing numbers using the shift key thing is harder04:58
Macerthe ovi store?? HAHAHA04:58
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Macer250 of those devs were probably for 1 app ;)04:59
Maceri am trying to think of anything good in the ovi store and it isn't coming to mind04:59
Primesis the DC-11(k) charger thing still available?04:59
wmarone__the 250 distributed via were for open source apps04:59
wmarone__via requires more than just signing up and paying04:59
Primestrue wmarone04:59
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Primeswhat MORE does it require? Our company could sign up as a developer. More tempting if I get a n950 out of it05:00
Macerare the tegra drivers actually open?05:00
wmarone__you could sign up, but as I said Nokia reviews applications and I believe you have to have something published in the Ovi store05:00
wmarone__Macer: of course not05:00
PrimesI would be surprised05:00
wmarone__vgrade did get them to do a meego compatible build though05:01
Primeshmmmmm, so we can publish some "me too" type simple app.05:01
Macerthat's kind of nice as long as they stick with thte same kernel ;)05:01
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Macerwhich honestly i wouldn't see a need to update the kernel too often05:01
wmarone__the drivers are userspace05:01
Maceroh.. wow05:02
wmarone__you can upgrade the kernel, you just have to port the tegra 2 bits05:02
wmarone__now those bits are open, but useless without the userspace binary05:02
wmarone__and this is common across pretty much every SoC GPU05:02
* Macer looks at the n90005:02
wmarone__so you can't up and switch glibc versions, or make ABI changes05:02
Macerno wait05:02
PrimesI'm dualbooting PR1.3 and meego CE. If I upgrade to "power kernel" type stuff I think it can break the workingness?05:02
Macerthe n810 :)05:02
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wmarone__so long as the "power kernel" is only used by Maemo, it shouldn't05:03
wmarone__cause MeeGo CE won't work with the old 2.6.28 kernel that Maemo uses05:03
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Primesanyway something I noticed from today. When I unlock the screen I now get a message : package "kernel-power-settings" not found! Seems I updated something that tries to use it. Any ideas what?05:04
wmarone__any widgets?05:04
PrimesI had maxcpu loaded, I uninstalled it but get the same message05:05
FIQ|n900<Primes> I'm dualbooting PR1.3 and meego CE. If I upgrade to "power kernel" type stuff I think it can break the workingness?05:06
FIQ|n900if you use uboot as the way to get dualboot, you can't install the "normal" powerkernel package05:07
FIQ|n900it will conflict05:07
Primesthat's what I thought05:07
PrimesI am using uboot to launch the meego, so I didn't install or want installed the powerkernel stuff05:08
FIQ|n900uboot-power does install the powerkernel for maemo, while still utilizing uboot05:08
FIQ|n900so you get meego CE + a maemo with powerkernel05:08
Primessomething is now complaining it's now loaded. So I now want to locate and uninstall the thing that is complaining05:08
Primes? ? No I don't get that combination because I read it will conflict05:09
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FIQ|n900uboot-power conflicts with uboot, yes, as uboot is provided with uboot-power05:09
Primeswhat is the command (I think it's a variant of dpkg to locate what things depend on kernel-power-settings?05:11
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PrimesI think kernel-power-flasher might be installed, and kernel-power-settings seems not.05:17
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Primesis there a logfile showing which apps I upgraded today in "upgrade applications" in Faster Application manager?05:20
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jpinxis there a way to retrieve sms that are on the simcard  ?05:34
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DocScrutinizerpriI stongly suggest NOT to install kernel-power-settings09:55
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, have you played with mounting ubifs images on N900 itself?09:57
DocScrutinizerplayed? o09:57
psycho_oreosbah :/ thanks09:57
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DocScrutinizerwhat's your question?09:58
DocScrutinizeryou know I also never stopped beating my wife09:58
psycho_oreosThis is going to sound stupid but I'm trying to mount an extracted PR1.3 firmware's rootfs image on N900 because I'm a little lazy to get make a custom kernel on my lappy for mounting PR1.3's rootfs :|09:59
DocScrutinizer(I'm single, for those who might have missed the pun)09:59
radiofreehow is that a pun?10:00
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, following this guide with rather mixed results:
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psycho_oreosI used mtd_debug instead of dd, created two character files with names /dev/mtd6 && /dev/mtd6ro10:01
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psycho_oreosshit on me.. lol I didn't ubidetach the device and N900 froze for a good while before rebooting. Must've been kpanic10:03
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cityLightshelp please, I just upgraded the kernel , and can no longer boot10:04
cityLightscan I flash ONLY the kernel?10:04
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psycho_oreoserr didn't ubidetach after having mtd_debug first wrote to /dev/mtdblock6 and then ubiattached that. I redid mtd_debug with a more refined <len> but completely forgot to ubidetach first hence the whole freeze and reboot10:05
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psycho_oreosgood thing it seems like I didn't cause any severe effects it seems running kp48 by pali. On second thoughts I need to kick my backside a little and rather than making N900 do all the hard yards (whilst maintaining 6 ubifs) I should probably solely use laptop10:09
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: sorry I completely miss the point of that 2009(!) psot, maybe it's not even meant for N90010:10
jpinx_goneanyone done a screen replacement themselves? Any photos of the job?10:11
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, I'm thinking of the exact thing after reading a few posts from the same thread. Nobody indicated they used N900, so I'm guessing that I'm reinventing the wheel by doing it all on N900. I just ssh'ed in and looks like I lost those created special character devices /dev/mtd6 && /dev/mtd6ro.10:12
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psycho_oreosI seriously thought it would be a simple job with dealing ubifs.. guess I was really wrong on the contrary :)10:12
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: I completely miss the point, totally all together and I've no time for reading thru it right now. It'd guess using mtd_debug on N900 is probably a sure way to kill your device for good when you don't know what you're doing10:13
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, indeed but I wasn't that stupid/desperate to do it on any of the existing /dev/mtd, hence I created a new one by hand but that didn't work10:14
psycho_oreosgoing to try and not perform the same mistake again and see if I can get it going.. failing it the second time I will definitely need to kick myself in the backside and compile custom kernel on me arch lappy10:15
DocScrutinizerhow could it, all the space on NAND is used for mtd0..510:15
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psycho_oreos*shrugs* I used mknod for that matter, and it seemed to work, even with mtd_debug onto /dev/mtd610:16
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: FFS where to will mtd_debug write after that?10:17
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DocScrutinizerover your kernel? over CAL partition?10:17
DocScrutinizeror *just* over rootfs10:17
DocScrutinizerdefinitely modprobe mtd* is a friggin nonsense on N900 as the rootfs already is on a mtd10:19
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, if it overwrote those areas apart from rootfs, my device would have been rendered unbootable. Fortunately that wasn't the case so it seems like that data is stored elsewhere10:19
DocScrutinizerso the whole descriptions is NOT meant for N90010:19
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: you're aware overwriting CAL *might* brick your N900 for good10:22
psycho_oreosfyi, if mtd_debug did write onto remaining NAND space which is essentially rootfs spare space it would have outputted a lot less figure with ubiattach. However with 13 or so MB space in NAND (assuming rootfs current setup) and ubiattach reported somewhere around 120MB+ mark I seem doubtful but *shrugs* I never really bothered reading over the fine detail on ubifs10:23
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, yup10:24
psycho_oreosand in some ways I don't think CAL can be easily overwritten.. but I could be way off the mark there10:24
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DocScrutinizerindeed you are10:24
DocScrutinizerwith mtd_debug it takes me one cmdline and 5s to *really* brick the device10:25
psycho_oreosbut with using the existing mtd? or a newly created one?10:26
DocScrutinizerdang, where to does the newly created one point?????10:27
DocScrutinizerthere IS NO remaining free space for yet another /dev/mtd on N90010:27
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DocScrutinizersee /proc/mtd10:28
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psycho_oreoswell with standard setup one can see all mtd used.10:30
DocScrutinizerand sorry no, I have NFC how /dev/mtd gets mapped to actual NAND addr. In uBoot + openembedded there's a kernel cmdline parameter "mtdparts=..." that defines addr for /dev/mtd10:30
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DocScrutinizerand you're pretty fsckd regarding hot flashing (under system) if those mtdparts are missing10:31
DocScrutinizerhave to run, bbl o/10:32
psycho_oreosthanks for input10:32
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DocScrutinizerone last thing: I'd guess they emulate NAND in RAM, however no idea *how* they do, maybe with a patched mtd kernel module (modprobe mtd*)? I'd try to simply loopmount the ubifs on my laptop10:34
DocScrutinizeror the whle thing is about maemo on beagleboard or whatever10:35
psycho_oreosyeah that's what everyone else does. I guess I don't have a choice there but to recompile my kernel to have ubifs and such support, namely mtd. I wonder if scratchbox dev env has that enabled in their kernel10:38
cityLightsDocScrutinizer: hi again10:40
cityLightsremeber me?10:41
cityLightswell. today I was asked to upgrade my power-kernel, which I did and now, I can't boot10:41
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cityLightsI got no other phone here and I need it to work again10:42
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cityLightsI am at the nokia images page, which to image to choose?10:46
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cityLightswhat is the eMMC image?10:46
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psycho_oreos29GB: /home/user/MyDocs10:47
chem|stcityLights: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin10:48
chem|stcityLights: there is always a "latest" in bold written up front10:48
cityLightscan I just use the kernel from it?10:48
psycho_oreosit doesn't contain kernel10:48
cityLightshow to flash only a kerenl10:49
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psycho_oreosand that's not the latest image as well, not for fiasco10:49
DocScrutinizerand you usually are busted when you flash a kernel without flashing matching modules which are in rootfs10:49
cityLightsit all heppened because I upgraded power kernel10:49
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cityLightscan I get the kernel from the power kernel?10:50
DocScrutinizerno, it happened because you have multiboot I'd guess10:50
psycho_oreosyou need: 1) fiasco image of pr1.3 2) flasher-3.5 3) to read flasher-3.5 documentation. You can flash certain portions instead of the whole thing10:50
cityLightsI didnt multiboot10:50
cityLightsso to install mobile hostspot I need power kernel10:51
psycho_oreoswith power kernel installations /lib/modules still retain kernel modules for the original nokia kernel brew10:51
cityLightsso all I need is the kernel from the power kernel - how to get that?10:52
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psycho_oreosthat's not to say that its foolproof but something worthy to note about10:52
psycho_oreosits inside the power-kernel flasher package iinm10:52
cityLightsif I know how to download the power kernel package the deb file10:53
psycho_oreosthere's simply no point to it because flasher afaik only accepts specific filenames, and neither would simply flashing power-kernel would do the trick. It might even be modules stuffed up10:54
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cityLightsok, so I must flash the kernel and the rootfs10:56
psycho_oreosit's safer if you do flash both, yes and its guaranteed pretty much to give you a proper restore10:57
cityLightsflasher -f --flash-only=kernel -k "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin"10:59
cityLightsWARNING: bad kernel format in RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin10:59
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psycho_oreosand you were told about that eMMC image11:00
cityLightsok, I dont understand11:00
cityLightsI donr want to loose my rootfs, as I got stuff there that I didnt backup yet11:00
cityLightsso I just want to try and flash a kernel for now11:01
psycho_oreosthere's no way you would not lose stuff in rootfs. If you flashed it normally with fiasco image, you will erase your rootfs setup.11:01
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psycho_oreosand I told you before that eMMC image does not contain kernel11:02
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chem|stcityLights: eMMC is your home and mydocs... COMBINED is the kernel in11:03
chem|stand who is to play with his device and NOT backup stuff...11:04
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psycho_oreosits otherwise noted beside the file that its a PR image11:04
markinfoI would nee some application for bike, where to import GPS data and it shows the way. For maemo.11:04
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cityLightsok, I need a min11:07
cityLightsI just upgraded11:07
cityLightsI didnt backup11:07
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cityLightsI am not going to format my entire internal mmc now11:07
cityLightsneed to solve this11:07
psycho_oreosflashing just the kernel won't necessarily solve the issue. If you're lucky enough, it maybe is all that's needed. If not you're still screwed11:08
chem|stmarkinfo: something like openstreetmaps capable? or just waypoints11:10
psycho_oreosactually I recall there was a symlink to current under /lib/modules and it was pointing current to kp. So in theory, DocScrutinizer is still pretty much right :)11:10
chem|stdon't know if columbus supports following waypoints yet11:10
cityLightsok, I need help now to do this11:10
cityLightsI need help to flash just the kernel11:11
chem|st~tell cityLights about flashing11:11
markinfochem|st, it would be enough just now waypoints - but openstreet capable would be nice to - here   are GPS downloadable but how to use that?11:11
chem|stehrm I never tried to "follow" waypoints, I just displayed them in mappero11:12
chem|stas route11:12
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chem|stI'd try mappero, it has an "open" route entry in the menu and asks for a file...11:14
chem|st~seen alterego11:14
infobotalterego is currently on #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 173 messages. Is idling for 11h 33s, last said: 'Though I'm guessing that's meant for someone else :)'.11:14
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chem|stmarkinfo: for tracking your own I use gps recorder, offshore columbus comes handy but navigates to only one waypoint and I think without corridor11:16
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markinfochem|st, i am hurry now - i will try mappero.11:17
chem|stif there are directions in your waypoints it will talk to you!11:17
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markinfochem|st, what sort of GPS format should i Take? GPS exchange format .gps   ?11:20
chem|stmarkinfo: I think it reads most stuff like kmz gpx and so on..11:21
chem|stlook at t.m.o or package description for more11:21
chem|stjust loading their website...11:22
chem|stgpx is said featured on the website11:22
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markinfochem|st, i can not find where to import in mappero GPS data.11:24
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chem|stthe bend street icon with the flag at the end is for routing, tap it there "open"11:25
markinfochem|st, super - i am very hurry - it shows something.11:26
chem|stmarkinfo: \o/11:27
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DocScrutinizermoo chem|st11:27
chem|stmoo DocScrutinizer o11:27
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chem|sthail satellites! indoorfix...11:30
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wazdhey all11:33
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cityLightschem|st: well, I need to relax first,11:49
cityLightshaving your phone go ooo is not easy on a day like today11:49
cityLightsI allready looked at the wiki , and didnt get it11:49
cityLightsmaybe in an hr11:50
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cityLightsI meent that in
cityLightsI also see this line11:57
cityLightsflasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F <firmware-image>11:57
cityLightsbut dont understand from where to get that image file11:57
psycho_oreos... from the same place where you saw that eMMC image11:58
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
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cityLightstried to follow the wiki12:06
cityLightssudo flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin"12:06
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cityLightsgot ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages12:06
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psycho_oreossome people never listen and never learn12:07
cityLightsok ok12:07
cityLightsI will sit later and read the whole wiki page12:08
cityLightsso your advice is just to flash the whole device12:10
cityLightsgot it12:10
cityLightsI am trying to salvage the rootfs12:10
* psycho_oreos facepalms12:11
psycho_oreosyou were told twice that eMMC image does NOT contain kernel. No matter how many iterations you repeat the same process with the exact same eMMC image the end result is still the same12:12
cityLightsso I need to try a non emmc file?12:12
cityLightswhich then?12:12
cityLightsRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin ?12:13
psycho_oreosthe answer was already written awhile back12:13
psycho_oreosrather, the hint12:13
cityLightsok so I need to download RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin12:13
psycho_oreoson the same website, do you not see columns, and of one row that has the words `Latest release'?12:14
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: on the same website, do you not see columns, and of one rows that has the words `Latest release'?12:14
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cityLightsRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin 200305277 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N90012:14
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psycho_oreosthere should be at least 3 rows with the words `Latest' printed, Look for the one that matches your locality12:15
cityLightsthansk for this help12:15
cityLightsI can now act to solve my issue12:15
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cityLightspsycho_oreos: Latest Maemo 5 has five flavors12:22
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cityLightsthen there is a Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N90012:22
SpeedEvilHas there been a statement from nokia about the hack?12:22
cityLightsas yu said I shouldnt try the emmc I dowloaded the Latest Maemo 512:23
cityLightsthen run sudo flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin"12:23
cityLightsImage SW version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_00312:23
cityLightsERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages12:23
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psycho_oreoscityLights, five localities, US, MENA, India, UK and Global.12:26
cityLightsI tried the MENA and it fialed12:27
cityLightsERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided12:27
cityLightssame with US12:27
cityLightswhat am I doing wrong?12:28
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psycho_oreoswhere did you get the flasher tool from12:30
psycho_oreosbetter yet, where is it executed from, the device itself? or the computer?12:30
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cityLightspsych_oreos: back from lunch13:29
cityLightspsych_oreos: running the flasher from the linux computer13:29
cityLightsgot the flasher at
cityLightsall info came from maemo wiki13:29
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psycho_oreoscityLights, you tried global firmware? I'm guessing that would probably be the same case..and if it is I'd try the tarballed version of flasher (flasher-3.5 is the one I used and didn't show up anything about APE algorithm)13:32
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cityLightssudo flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin"13:38
cityLightspsycho_oreos: THANKS!13:39
cityLightspsycho_oreos: can I buy you bear!13:39
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psycho_oreoscityLights, wtf a bear :p more like beer would be handy :p13:40
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chem|stcan I have the bear if you don't want it?13:44
cityLightspm me where your from and i will try to send you13:45
cityLightswell, I am traveling to rome in 28 days13:45
cityLightsbe happy to pay13:45
psycho_oreosI'll trade you my bear for your N950 in return or otherwise no deal ;)13:45
psycho_oreoscityLights, forget it :) I live all the way on the other side of the hemisphere lol13:45
cityLightswish I had appllied for the N950 in time13:47
cityLightsbut, yes, I should backup13:47
psycho_oreoshahaha chem|st is all quiet now that I made my terms of wanting that bear clear ;)13:48
cityLightswell, I like to thank you both guys13:51
cityLightsfor this and previous times13:52
cityLightsback to coding in ec2 and trying to make som things work13:52
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cityLightsok, I fixed maemo-update-resolvconf in openvpn14:47
cityLightshow to submit it upstream/14:47
Appiahmake a bug report , attach the patch ?14:51
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lardmanhmm, FF's draging and dropping a page is slightly retarded under Linux, rather than getting some sort of shortcut I get a copy of the page's html14:57
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Termanagood morning15:17
DocScrutinizermorning Termana15:18
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vi___pre 3 @ 75£!16:20
nid0the question is where16:21
vi___2 rumours16:21
vi___this friday16:21
vi___or a shop I am watching, have a decision by 5 tonight (UK)16:21
vi___does it even come with xterm?16:22
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DocScrutinizerpree three free16:59
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: where?16:59
DocScrutinizerin my rhyming brain16:59
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DocScrutinizerhonestly I never knew pre3 is a reality, and though it seems to be now I wonder who'd be interested in this definitely stillborn platform17:01
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chem|stwell if it is 50eur I would give it a try...17:04
vi___chem|st: More like 75 I am afraid.17:04
vi___Unfortunatley ALL german stock has been sold.17:05
chem|stamazon has it listed for sept 5th for much more17:05
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GAN900So if a big part of the TouchPad's shittiness comes from first boot slowness17:51
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GAN900and that's due to indexing, etc17:51
GAN900and assuming they're flashing a predictable firmware image.17:51
GAN900Why wouldn't the index be part of that image?17:51
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javispedroask Nokia!17:52
javispedrothey used to do the same17:52
javispedroGAN900: btw, got lucky?17:52
GAN900I stopped trying after Saturday17:52
GAN900too much important shit to do to deal with a Wii-like retail insanity like that.17:53
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MohammadAGanyone got an example to a singleton Qt class?18:16
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javispedrothe TP wannabes even order at full price and then hold store clerk's children to ransom until they price match18:20
* javispedro cannot compete with that18:20
javispedrowell, maybe if I tried to cause world war 3...18:20
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MohammadAGoh nice, my laptop battery needs a replacement, or at least that's what P.O.S.T., KDE and Windows are saying18:31
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vi___MohammadAG: rip it open, replace cells & reset IC.18:35
vi___ironically, webOS now has maximum market penetration.18:37
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MohammadAGvi___, I'd rather find a replacement :P18:39
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* MohammadAG ponders bring an open Harmattan mediaplayer to fremantle18:39
vi___*vi__ nods, sage like.18:39
vi___^ / me18:40
vi___You know what os really a bitch?  When people hardcode screen resolution in SDL games.  Makes porting 'em a whole fuck harder.18:41
infobotvi___ meant: s/is/is18:41
DocScrutinizerwhy not deploy ready-done index? If your data isn't tightly locked to the index (e.g combined vs vanilla image) then you better not ship an index that doesn't match18:43
vi___also it allows you image to be smaller.18:43
javispedrovi___: maximum Android market penetration18:43
vi___javispedro: ?18:44
javispedrovi___: all of the major news site reporting on the android on touchpad stuff more than webos update planned news18:44
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vi___javispedro: and to think my girlfriend didnt want to get one on account of the fact that it didnt have 'droid and it 'may' be ported in the future...18:45
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MohammadAGI want one :(18:48
javispedromy opinion of android and specially of android devs has gotten even lower in these two previous days18:52
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DocScrutinizerI guess that's hardly possible for mine18:55
DocScrutinizerthough as always this of course is an undue generalisation18:57
vi___javispedro: wjat has happened JP?18:57
infobotvi___ meant: javispedro: what has happened JP?18:57
javispedroit's rather too degrading for them to explain publicly.18:57
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vi___Is this the whole closed source honeycomb thing?18:57
javispedrosuffice to say that I've been called troll a few times for stating what I was able to do18:58
javispedroand that I've had to tell a few times I was the preenv guy so that they started to believe me, something I don't like to do.18:59
javispedrobut either way, I already called it a day.18:59
DocScrutinizersounds like #*droid19:01
vi___JP, wtf are you on about?19:03
javispedrovi___: talking about the android on touchpad gentlemen.19:04
DocScrutinizerit's alway android folks when it comes to completely nuking sth several generations of highly educated unix developers built up, as those guys found a better way to do it. That's why I hate android19:04
javispedroone funny thing is how they always start with, "the kernel", "the kernel".19:06
DocScrutinizerlet's swap scheduler for something new, the ones that are used so far in unix/linux are all braindamaged, but we now have a new thing called linked list and that cuts it, really.19:06
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MohammadAGis QWidget::setParent safe to use?19:07
DocScrutinizerwe already tested it in android and it performs like mad, now I want to replace the openmoko kernel's scheduler so it will profit of andoid's divine awesomeness19:07
javispedroMohammadAG: on X11 it should be quite safe to use19:08
DocScrutinizer</quote> to avoid any WTFs on recipient's side19:08
javispedrono idea about the new Qt versions.19:08
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MohammadAGin an attempt to make the nowplayingwindow a singleton class in my mediaplayer, I broke it19:10
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure it's a Qt bug though19:10
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javispedronot sure how that kind of stuff is done in Qt19:12
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MohammadAGI'm done with the class, but stacked windows are showing on top of each other now19:14
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DocScrutinizerhonestly I often wonder: in the 'old days' unix was pretty OK with running on a 5MHz CPU with 512k of RAM and a 10MB disk (to give some ballpark numbers). Back when, concepts got developed how to deal with scarce resources. Then devices got GB of storage and even RAM and GHz of CPU grunt even on embedded, and those old concepts were long forgotten. But would you think now when devels notice they managed to bloat their system to a degree it19:15
DocScrutinizerdoesn't perform even on those GHz&GB monsters they would recal those oldies but goodies? no way, they prefer to invent incredibly weird new stuff, optification is just a minor example of a fix to a non-issue19:15
* DocScrutinizer notices he's in a particularly ranting mood today19:18
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edheldilDocScrutinizer:  to be honest, the unix of old did not have desktop environment to speak of, if you do not count twm or fvwm - and with X it wanted at least 4MB anyway, did not it?19:22
edheldilor maybe just *linux* on console wanted at least 4MB to install19:23
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DocScrutinizeredheldil: I knew somebody would reply along that line - nevertheless I think it's irrelevant as adding in GFX didn't change anything basically. The *only* thing that fundamentally changed since the very first days of unix is nowadays CPU's are supposed to throttle and sometimes even suspend, and "computers" aren't meant to be online 24/7/36619:25
DocScrutinizerthat's why ntpd nowadays isn't the measure of choice to keep time of your smartphone19:26
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edwinsageDocScrutinizer: What's happened is that developers have made oodles of tools to speed up development, on the old addage that programmer time is more expensive than computer time.19:27
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edwinsageAnd these tools use a ton of unneccesary resources, but make things easier on the developer.19:28
edwinsageAt least, that's the intent.19:28
DocScrutinizeryup, and RAM is more cheap than developer manpower as well. Alas RAM is not a multiplicative resource, while a well written program is19:29
edheldilDocScrutinizer:  having GSM network available running ntpd to get exact time is a bit redundant, ain't it?19:29
edwinsagePersonally, I think at this point they muck things up, but marketers know that software that looks shiny will sell much better than software that runs well, so here we are.19:29
edheldilsoftware gets only more bloated, that was evident when first Windows came ;-)19:30
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edwinsageThis is why I had to write my own playlist-building media player as a shell script for the N770.  All the players available used more memory than the tablet had.19:32
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javispedronow that we have 1 GiB on the N950, expect bloat to increase tendfold!19:33
edwinsageBut I'm a grumpy old man when it comes to computers.  Heck, up intil a month age my main desktop computer was 600mHz with 320MB of RAM.19:33
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Sicelolol.. mine still is :P19:36
Sicelo512MB ram19:36
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hiemanshuhey mece20:01
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GAN950Why do I need an account to pay a bill online with someplace I'm never gonna be again. . . .20:38
javispedroGAN950: buy buy buy buy buy buy buy buy buy!20:39
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MohammadAGjavispedro, GAN900 / GAN950  got an HP touchpad?20:57
javispedronot here20:58
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MohammadAGc'mon people, we need to start porting Android!!!20:58
* javispedro kills MohammadAG 20:58
* MohammadAG hides20:58
javispedrotoo late20:58
javispedroalso, a grue ate you while in your hiding place20:58
MohammadAGclassmate's gonna see if he can get one for me from BestBuy CA20:58
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javispedrojust ONE?20:59
javispedroone for each bathroom!20:59
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MohammadAGI wish I could afford them20:59
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MohammadAGwell, I wish prepaid cards could go over the $250 limit so I could afford them20:59
MohammadAGbuying the N900 was hard21:00
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MohammadAGsure that wasn't the N950 email vibra?21:01
javispedrocaused, obviously, by millions of touchpad wannebes receiving the news of no more stock at best buy.21:01
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ruskie <-- lol21:05
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RST38hwell. moo.21:24
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edwinsagejavispedro: Hey, one of my friends just felt that earthquake.21:33
edwinsageWell, not 'just'.21:33
javispedromoo RST38h21:33
javispedroedwinsage: seems that it might be important21:34
edwinsagejavispedro: I looked it up, there was a 5.9 in Virginia at 1:51 EST.21:34
edwinsageI'm impressed that it made her place shake here in Michigan though.21:35
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MohammadAGwasn't it in DC?21:38
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MohammadAGHarmattan goes from ringing to active to none on a missed call21:44
MohammadAGsame as when aswering21:44
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MohammadAGis Com.Nokia.Telephony.CallUi documented somewhere?21:49
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nealMohammadAG: I read that you developped a facebook program (called socialize?) for the N900, but now I can't find the post nor your code.  If that is correct, where is the code?  Thanks.21:52
MohammadAGsociality, my project was originally called qtbook21:53
MohammadAGGot it21:54
MohammadAGActiveCallUpdated: 1st parameter is number that's calling you21:54
MohammadAG2nd parameter is call state, 0 = ringing, 3 = answered, 5 and 6 = ended21:55
MohammadAG3rd parameter (uint) is possibly the call ID, which is always 0 unless the call is answered21:55
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MohammadAG4th parameter is a boolean, that's always false, so idk21:56
MohammadAGa way to listen to missed calls is either state going from 0 to 5 and then 6 without the 3 in between, but that might also mean the call was rejected21:56
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MohammadAGthe only way to me is from 0 -> 5 -> 6 + call ID = 0 + eventsAdded signal21:59
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edwinsageMohammadAG: DC area and/or Virginia.22:41
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vi___smart reflex is causing my new n900 to reboot randomly even at 600MHz.  My old one sat at 805 no problem.  Does this mean I have a shit N900?22:58
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NIN102out of interest, which hw revision vi___?22:59
jacekowskivi___: smartreflex is broken by design23:00
jacekowskivi___: and overclocking is bad for you23:00
Atariiwhat easiets way to find hw revision?23:01
NIN102cat /proc/cpuinfo23:01
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Atariiah thanks23:02
Atarii2101 here, what does that mean?23:02
Atariishould my serial be all 0's? :s23:03
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NIN102dunno if hw revision matters at all.23:04
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Siceloseems there's feeling that 2101 is more pron to usb fall-out than the rest :/23:06
Atariibugger :'(23:07
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ShadowJKthere's a reason why smartreflex is disabled by default23:07
infobotSicelo meant: seems there's feeling that 2101 is more prone to usb fall-out than the rest :/23:07
Atariino more connecting the USB cable for me then!23:07
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Atariianyone here compiled an app that has libpcap dependancies in scratchbox before?23:08
Sicelono, i think you just have to be careful. besides, i don't even know if this is a confirmed fact.. as i said, "general feeling"23:09
Vib3why doesn't # work with this? -> "dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call string:"$NUMBER" uint32:0"23:09
Vib3trying touse '#' with number but it doesn't work, ideas?23:10
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vi___I have a 2104?23:16
vi___what does that have to do with SR?23:16
jacekowskiVib3: because numbers don't have "#"23:16
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Vib3but you can dial it from UI and it works jacekowski23:20
NIN102I have 2104, never tried OC and I don't want to. Only weird stuff is that during a normal bootup, just before X,  I see (sometimes) the orange LED blinking, it becomes green and disappears after that. I never noticed such behaivior on my old N900.23:20
jacekowskiyou're not dialing this numbers23:20
jacekowskithese are ussd codes23:20
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Vib3ohh, so #31# sets mode in phone to hide number jacekowski?23:22
jacekowskiit's requesting service from network23:23
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jacekowskibut because ussd in n900 barely works then i doubt there is any dbus api for them23:23
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Vib3k, works fine though from UI23:24
jacekowskiit wasn't working just half a year ago23:25
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Vib3yea starhash-enabler app was needed23:25
Atariianyone know how to fix "undefined reference to `pcap_create'" in scratchbox?23:26
AtariiI've installed libpcap0.8-dev23:27
cehtehyour own program?23:27
Atariinot my own source23:28
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cehtehmaybe made for a different version of libpcap then?23:28
cehtehor some broken build setup23:28
Atariihmm maybe, it compiles fine for x86 target in scratchbox23:29
cehtehso check the configure or whatever it uses23:30
vi___jacekowski: what do you mean SR is broken by design?23:30
Atariithere's just a make file with the normal "gcc -o hexinject hexinject.c -lpcap"23:31
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cehtehAtarii: that certainly needs a correct -lpcap line23:34
cehteh(err option)23:34
cehtehmaybe some define -DPCAP_VERSION or whatever23:34
jacekowskivi___: smartreflex never worked23:34
Atariiok thanks cehteh :) I'll have a dig in the source and see what I can find23:34
jacekowskivi___: if you read TI TRM they recommend not using it23:34
cehtehand order matters, try to move the -lpcap in front if the hexinject.c23:34
Atariiright ok23:35
vi___jacekowski: then how come it worked on my old n900?23:38
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cehtehit works unreliable depending on a lot things23:38
jacekowskivi___: because it sometimes works23:38
jacekowskivi___: sometimes doesnt23:38
jacekowskivi___: that's why TI doesn't support it23:39
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