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| vi__ | yo | 00:39 |
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| vi__ | I am trying to run a script at boot | 00:39 |
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| vi__ | this script will mount bind a directory in opt to Mydocs | 00:39 |
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| vi__ | mount --bind /opt/maps_osm /user/home/MyDocs/.maps | 00:40 |
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| vi__ | this allows me to store all the maps in opt | 00:40 |
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| vi__ | I have a script in Xsession.post called 80mount | 00:41 |
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| vi__ | it contains the line echo "blah/path/script/mount.sh" | root | echo "" | 00:41 |
| vi__ | if I run this script manually it works | 00:42 |
| vi__ | i.e. i type path to xsession script | 00:42 |
| vi__ | however at boot IT JUST DOESNT FUCKING WORK | 00:42 |
| vi__ | the script is running | 00:43 |
| vi__ | i have added a test routine to touch a file when it executes | 00:43 |
| vi__ | does anyone have any suggestions as to why this does not work? | 00:43 |
| vi__ | is there even anyone listening? | 00:44 |
| NIN101 | sure you can pipe to "root"? | 00:44 |
| vi__ | well the fact i can excute it from xterm shows I can | 00:44 |
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| vi__ | are xsession scripts run as root or user? | 00:45 |
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| NIN101 | hmm indeed it is possible to pipe th at. Well, create a Xsession script with whoami and find that out... or edit a bootscript like rcS-late | 00:49 |
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| NIN101 | also why do you want to bind mount that? /home/opt is bind mounted to /opt, it should be possible to work with symlinks here. | 00:51 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: ping | 01:15 |
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| nusse_ | can i trust the last-full value of my battery on my n900? | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | depends on how you understand this value | 01:41 |
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| nusse_ | jacekowski: well, is it any indicator if i should get a new battery | 01:49 |
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| jacekowski | nusse_: not really | 01:50 |
| e-yes | is kexec still broken in n900 kernels? | 01:50 |
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| LarsN | have any of you had an N900 that even when on the factory wall charger gives the nokia (without backlight) background and no orange charging led. Then just the orange charging led, then the orange led, plus the non-backlit nokia, rinse, repeat | 01:53 |
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| LarsN | I suspect I need to re-flash the device, but I can't keep it powered on long enough to initialize. It started this midway through a dist-upgrade. | 01:53 |
| nusse_ | LarsN: happens for me all the time | 01:55 |
| LarsN | nusse_: any suggestions? | 01:55 |
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| nusse_ | i suspect powerkernel | 01:55 |
| nusse_ | just leave it there for an hour and it might boot | 01:56 |
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| LarsN | wouldn't flashing the image replace the kernel with the default? | 01:56 |
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| nusse_ | yes | 01:56 |
| LarsN | because I did that friday first, in an attempt to start over from zero. | 01:56 |
| nusse_ | well at least i guess | 01:56 |
| LarsN | flashed the device. blew aways /home/users/* | 01:56 |
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| LarsN | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (after installing the gainroot package) | 01:57 |
| LarsN | crash mid way through. | 01:57 |
| NIN101 | never use apt-get upgrade on maemo... | 02:00 |
| LarsN | NIN101: ok..... Now that the damage is done... Do you agree it may have charged enough in the last two days that a flash might get it to boot again? | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | does anybody have cheap n900 for sale? | 02:01 |
| NIN101 | LarsN: I don't know... | 02:02 |
| NIN101 | LarsN: How much % do you think it still have | 02:02 |
| LarsN | battery? | 02:03 |
| LarsN | no idea | 02:03 |
| LarsN | I thought it was at 50% or more when I was upgrading it friday | 02:03 |
| LarsN | it's been on the desktop charger since friday evening. | 02:03 |
| NIN101 | hmm. | 02:03 |
| LarsN | worst case I'll go buy an external Battery charger for it. | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, pong? | 02:04 |
| NIN101 | so it does not boot LarsN? | 02:04 |
| LarsN | it starts to, white nokia screen | 02:04 |
| LarsN | then powers off | 02:04 |
| NIN101 | ok this means it does not boot | 02:04 |
| LarsN | before the music. | 02:04 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS/ | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell is onSale? | 02:06 |
| javispedro | yeah, ships US only and sounds .. uneasy. | 02:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Would if it were a reputable dealer | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never heard of onSale | 02:06 |
| jacekowski | i'm looking for cheap N900 in the UK | 02:07 |
| nusse_ | same price http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-16gb-touchpad-with-wi-fi-16gb-wifi/10173116.aspx?path=24aa74e36d1cba4ce76fdd5a9f3298cfen02 | 02:07 |
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| javispedro | rumour has it the supposed 200,000 bestbuy units will be sold via hp.com | 02:09 |
| javispedro | http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html?jumpid=ex_r11694_go_touchpad-availability | 02:09 |
| NIN101 | LarsN: So I really don't know if you should try reflashing the rootfs. If you have a microsd you could install meego on it by using your PC, and boot that because it can charge the batttery. Maybe you have enough power for a reflash, maybe not... | 02:09 |
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| LarsN | NIN101: if I install Meego on the SD card, how do I select that OS to boot from? | 02:25 |
| LarsN | done't I need a separate boot loader to choose? or is there a keyboard shortcut? | 02:26 |
| NIN101 | this is documented. | 02:26 |
| LarsN | NIN101: I've not tried installing MeeGo at all, so.... I haven't looked at, or even considered looking for the documents. | 02:27 |
| NIN101 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC I suggest you read everything | 02:27 |
| LarsN | I'm pretty sure nuclear fusion reactors are documented too. :) Thanks for the link, will read that before I dive into anything further :) | 02:27 |
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| NIN101 | This is wise ;). | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<LarsN> NIN101: ok..... Now that the damage is done... Do you agree it may have charged enough in the last two days that a flash might get it to boot again?) If NOLO refuses to stay on NOKIA screen with USB logo when you hold 'U' key while booting, then batery is too low | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple as that | 03:03 |
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| * javispedro sighs at the stupidity of android | 05:01 | |
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| javispedro | so when I pointed to these guys that the touchpad not only already has an android kernel but even has most android garbage enabled (like ashm), I am laughed off as a troll. | 05:02 |
| javispedro | maybe I should thank god I didn't get to the part where I wonder why they ask for donations if HP's done most of the job. | 05:02 |
| * javispedro also sighs at the stupidity of HP. | 05:03 | |
| javispedro | I bet this is the reason why Palm employees are quoted as saying they hated HP's hardware. They were forced to get an Android kernel to get hw support for the chipset HP choosed. | 05:03 |
| javispedro | so | 05:04 |
| javispedro | if you were wondering when would Android start damaging the Linux kernel, wonder no more. | 05:04 |
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| Macer | haha | 05:54 |
| Macer | they want donations for vaporware? | 05:54 |
| Macer | webos is actually nkt that bad | 05:54 |
| Macer | i dont see what the big deal is | 05:54 |
| Macer | :-) | 05:54 |
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| jpinx | can anyone help me sort out usb modnem mode - I have followed the guide, installed the kernel upgrade and iptable and configured masquerading - but still no connection :( | 07:33 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: MohammadAG: Barnes&Noble has touchpads | 07:36 |
| javispedro | and with this I leave | 07:36 |
| wmarone__ | no, I still need to finish hacking my nook color! | 07:37 |
| wmarone__ | heh | 07:37 |
| * wmarone__ resists | 07:37 | |
| javispedro | seems that B&N is overpricing them a bit | 07:37 |
| javispedro | I'd wait for tomorrow, and see what hp.com does. | 07:38 |
| jpinx | javispedro: sounds like a nokia scenario again ;) | 07:38 |
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| Termana | good morning | 08:00 |
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| slonopotamus | is there any 3-way diff tool for maemo? | 08:40 |
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| edwinsage | Do you mean for text merging, specifically? | 08:47 |
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| slonopotamus | yep | 08:48 |
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| edwinsage | I'm only really familiar with the 770/800/810. Are you using one of those? | 08:51 |
| slonopotamus | nm, building meld... maemo5. | 08:52 |
| edwinsage | There's a diffmo package with diff3 for Fremantle in Extras-devel. | 08:52 |
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| slonopotamus_ | http://maemo.org/packages/view/subversion/ last changelog entry is nice :) | 09:05 |
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| cityLights | morning | 09:43 |
| cityLights | why can't I watch amazon instant video on my N900? | 09:43 |
| cityLights | can the N950 do it? | 09:44 |
| cityLights | does the N9 suopport flash 10? | 09:44 |
| SpeedEvil | The n950 does not have flash. | 09:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think anyones broken the NDA as to what the n9 may hae. | 09:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I would lke to say that nokia wouldn't consider releasing it without flash. | 09:45 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 09:45 |
| mece | well it has flashplayer.so | 09:45 |
| SpeedEvil | It does? | 09:45 |
| cityLights | assuming the N9 does have flash 10 | 09:45 |
| cityLights | can this be the reason to upgrade? | 09:45 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, well it's for playing movies | 09:45 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, or perhaps I'm confused. | 09:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I see no flashplayer.so on the n950 filesystem | 09:46 |
| mece | you're right. I was confused. | 09:47 |
| cityLights | It should have some sort of accelerated graphics | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | like iPhone? | 09:47 |
| cityLights | maybe a dsp to play video? | 09:47 |
| mece | well it doesn't have flash | 09:47 |
| mece | it plays flash videos very smoothly in the video player though. | 09:48 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, umm I hate to go offtopic but curiously.. how the hell did you get your hands on N950 when you were initially accepted into the dev team? Do they actually `rotate' the developers that are in the dev program? | 09:48 |
| psycho_oreos | s/were/weren't/ | 09:49 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: SpeedEvil, umm I hate to go offtopic but curiously.. how the hell did you get your hands on N950 when you weren't initially accepted into the dev team? Do they actually `rotate' the developers that are in the dev program? | 09:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I was successful in my application to the program for the second round of dev devices | 09:49 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 09:49 |
| psycho_oreos | so you did make it in -_- | 09:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | community gave back some little bit of the support SpeedEvil gave | 09:52 |
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| rtyler | holy shit;; I just added the extras-devel repo | 09:59 |
| rtyler | then I ignored a bunch of updates (hit the Ignore button) | 09:59 |
| rtyler | and it wiped *all* my app catalogues out O_O | 09:59 |
| psycho_oreos | that shouldn't happen, but sometimes it may cause HAM to produce an error | 10:01 |
| rtyler | I'm so lost now | 10:01 |
| rtyler | :P | 10:01 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm on second thoughts, I guess the `app catalogues' were wiped was probably because of an error | 10:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | normally when you have extras-devel enabled (mind you it is a huge repository), it can cause instability with HAM. You'll notice issues when you see the banner `Operation Failed' | 10:02 |
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| rtyler | man, all I want is Bluetooth PAN to work | 10:03 |
| rtyler | I didn't expect this to turn into an all day affair :/ | 10:03 |
| rtyler | catalogues are back, wtf | 10:03 |
| psycho_oreos | like I said :) you accepted the risk when you enabled extras-devel | 10:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | the pandora's box is left wide open to you | 10:05 |
| rtyler | wYAY | 10:05 |
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| rtyler | grrr, I just need a bnep device! | 10:10 |
| rtyler | following this guy's directions like a dolt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 | 10:10 |
| rtyler | somehow the kmod is loaded, but no device is created | 10:10 |
| rtyler | rather odd IMO | 10:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't expect a large number of users following the talk you referred to. Unless you elaborate here, you won't see answers here | 10:13 |
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| rtyler | yeah, I know | 10:14 |
| rtyler | I'm not sure how to properly characterize the problem either, other than "the device isn't where it's supposed to be" | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | URL dropping is a good way to supply all the info for those already interested. It won't lure in anybody when he has to decide based on reading that talk if he can help and shall engage | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | dropping the precise name of the device would probably help for example | 10:16 |
| rtyler | I did :) | 10:17 |
| rtyler | well, bnep0 | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, fair enough - no idea then | 10:17 |
| rtyler | in theory it's supplied by the pc-connectivity-manager package | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, beter :-D | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | better* | 10:17 |
| rtyler | the bnep.ko module is also loaded properly | 10:18 |
| rtyler | hm | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you modprobed a module but the corresponding device didn't show up in /dev ? | 10:18 |
| rtyler | indeed | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | tail /var/log/syslog | 10:19 |
| rtyler | heh, I think I have ~20 tabs open to maemo trying to get this bluetooth tethering to work | 10:19 |
| rtyler | uh, am I supposed to have a /var/log/syslog? | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | also modinfo bnep.ko | 10:20 |
| rtyler | there's no /var/log/messages either | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | if not, use dmesg|tail | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or install ksyslog :-D | 10:20 |
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| rtyler | nothing interesting AFAICT in dmesg | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtyler: bnep is a bluetooth related device, no? | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | did you bother to *power up aka enable* general bluetooth hardware in settings? | 10:24 |
| rtyler | yeah, bluetooth is on | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then aiui a device *.ko is supposed to create a /dev/* - or at very least something in /sys | 10:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a network interface. | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest to increase kernel logging verbosity | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, or a network interface :-D | 10:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas I have to run now. See if you can find help from SpeedEvil or in man dmesg etc about increasing kernel loglevel | 10:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would suggest alt-sysrq-9 - but that is silly | 10:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | rtyler: does hcitool dev show any devices? | 10:28 |
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| rtyler | yeah, hci0 | 10:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I've not done bnep | 10:29 |
| rtyler | I was hoping the DUN profile would allow my tablet to properly tether, but it looks like it has to be PAN | 10:30 |
| ruskie | why not just run one of the hotspot things? | 10:30 |
| ruskie | and get wifi connection? | 10:30 |
| rtyler | android doesn't support ad-hoc networks | 10:30 |
| rtyler | >_< | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | DUN and PAN are completely different things | 10:31 |
| rtyler | here's a guy that has pretty much the same setup (android tablet and n900): http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1033612 | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | while PAN is your "wlan for BT", DUN is "the 3G USB dongle attached via BT" | 10:32 |
| rtyler | yes, I'm aware. For some reason Android doesn't see the DUN profile come across in the pairing, which everything else on the internets led me to believe it would do | 10:32 |
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| rtyler | what the crap | 10:35 |
| rtyler | I re-paired | 10:35 |
| rtyler | and not it appears to work | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtyler: a start would be to share modinfo dnep output as suggested before by me | 10:35 |
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| rtyler | is there something specific from the output that would be helpful? it is a bit of output and I am not sure how best to dump it off the device | 10:37 |
| rtyler | interesting | 10:39 |
| rtyler | so I repaired the n900 with the tablet | 10:39 |
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| rtyler | and while bnep0 isn't listed with an `ifconfig` invokation | 10:39 |
| rtyler | invoking `ifconfig bnep0` does print out information for the device | 10:40 |
| Sicelo | ifconfig alone shows u interfaces that are up. you can ifconfig -a to see all available interfaces | 10:42 |
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| rtyler | HOLY CRAP | 10:47 |
| rtyler | I got it to work! | 10:47 |
| rtyler | <http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=1039507&postcount=178> | 10:47 |
| rtyler | apparently on the Android device, the timeout for the DHCP request is *tiny* | 10:48 |
| rtyler | wow | 10:48 |
| rtyler | DocScrutinizer: thanks for your patience | 10:50 |
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| cityLights | I just wish we had a better calnder to the maemo | 11:15 |
| cityLights | someone said they used the kde calender | 11:15 |
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| ruskie | cityLights, yes you can get kdepim on it... but it's slow as molasses | 11:19 |
| cityLights | I mean, I paied 25$ for a calnder on the palm | 11:21 |
| cityLights | i will be glad to pay 30$ for a maemo based calender | 11:21 |
| SpeedEvil | rtyler: Great! | 11:22 |
| SpeedEvil | rtyler: now fix the wiki. | 11:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rtyler: yw, np | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: alas it seems neither Nokia nor subcontractors consider maemo(-fremantle) a platform where you even *could* sell software | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: see my rant about telepathy yesterday | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If you'd consider building a proper calendar for fremantle and you'd by any chance needed some help/advice from "the gurus" I bet they laugh at you and suggest you should switch to meego instead | 11:26 |
| cityLights | does meego have a good calender? | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably not that much better than maemo's | 11:27 |
| cityLights | some sort of evolution.... | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's not the point in the end. The point is you are asking about help for a commercial product for maemo, and they suggest you should switch to a developers-only-meego instead | 11:29 |
| cityLights | well, I didnt get my n950 ... so | 11:29 |
| cityLights | but this product - is in need | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this cmes over like Nokia isn't interested in any commercial apps on maemo-fremantle | 11:30 |
| cityLights | btw,no rents about telepathy in http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-08-21.log.html | 11:30 |
| cityLights | too bad | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: [2011-08-20 16:53:44] <DocScrutinizer> If I ask for a function in telepathy, to build an app asked for by _end-users_ on fremantle, and I am utterly clear about that fact and ask collabora guys how I could possibly interface/intercept/patch telepathy to get it done, and the answer is "don't bother about maemo, do it on meego!" then that's *beeep*[censored] | 11:31 |
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| jpinx_away | is there any way to control the n900 without the screen - this one is bust :( | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n + usb mouse | 11:34 |
| ruskie | jpinx_away, plug it into a tv with the av? | 11:34 |
| nid0 | or just ssh | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and AV of course | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | vnc (albeit, rather slow) | 11:34 |
| jpinx_away | I'd like ssh butis need to config the usb0 don't I? | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 11:34 |
| robbiethe1st | AV'd be your best bet | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas hildon isn't built in a way you could *really* comletely control it by kbd shortcuts | 11:35 |
| psycho_oreos | usb0 is if youw ant to use USB networking | 11:35 |
| ruskie | jpinx_away, plug it in and it should have usb networking already going | 11:35 |
| ruskie | unless you changed something | 11:35 |
| jpinx_away | psycho_oreos: yep - that would be good if I can ssh in | 11:35 |
| psycho_oreos | and the key bindings isn't correct too via vnc | 11:35 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: what are you talking about? | 11:36 |
| psycho_oreos | jpinx_away, there's two ways, using wireless or using maemo-dev-env | 11:36 |
| jpinx_away | ok - i need to go off again here and try ssh-ing more seriously ;) thanks guys :) | 11:36 |
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| jpinx_away | I use usb cable | 11:36 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, if I were to vnc into N900 and go into say console and what not. Typing some certain characters and what not doesn't work in my case | 11:36 |
| chem|st | jpinx_away: 70€ is a new lcd... | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx_away: ssh over WLAN is WAY more convenient to set up - I.E. doesn't need any setup if you got sshd and wlan configured | 11:37 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: that is settings... | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st | 11:37 |
| jpinx_away | what's the default IP on usb0? | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, :o guess I'll have to look at that | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | 192.168.2.15 iinm | 11:37 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: without screen to start wlan...? | 11:37 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: ;) | 11:37 |
| jpinx_away | chem|st: not an option -- I am testing before buying ;) | 11:37 |
| chem|st | moo DocScrutinizer | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: my device doesn't need a screen to start wlyn | 11:37 |
| cityLights | is anyone here from italy? | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | WLAN* | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | testing blindfolded :p | 11:38 |
| psycho_oreos | how convenient :) | 11:38 |
| cityLights | i some assistence | 11:38 |
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| ruskie | jpinx_away, iface usb0 inet static \n address 192.168.2.14 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 for /etc/network/interfaces | 11:38 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I have radius at the back so nothing like autoconnect... | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 11:38 |
| jpinx_away | ruskie: thanks :) | 11:38 |
| chem|st | well I know where to tap... | 11:38 |
| ruskie | jpinx_away, and you need: cdc_ether module loaded for usb0 on the desktop | 11:38 |
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| chem|st | jpinx_away: DocScrutinizer's idea with TV as screen is the easy way... | 11:39 |
| jpinx_away | ruskie: latop is running debian . I should be able to ifconfig that | 11:39 |
| ruskie | yup | 11:39 |
| jpinx_away | chem|st: yep - if I had a TV ;) | 11:39 |
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| ruskie | jpinx_away, actually with debian... jsut copy paste that into: /etc/network/interfaces and then ifup usb0 | 11:40 |
| chem|st | I have a composite vga converter... and no tv | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | "if I had a hammer...." *singing* | 11:40 |
| jpinx_away | ruskie: yep ;) | 11:40 |
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| vi__ | yo | 11:40 |
| psycho_oreos | lol that's stupid.. you can't strace kernel strings | 11:41 |
| psycho_oreos | s/strings/threads/ | 11:41 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: lol that's stupid.. you can't strace kernel threads | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 11:41 |
| vi__ | I have decided to move the maps folder to /opt/maps | 11:41 |
| vi__ | I do this by: | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, no you can't | 11:41 |
| vi__ | mount --bind /opt/maps /home/user/MyDocs/.maps | 11:42 |
| ruskie | vi__, sounds fine | 11:42 |
| vi__ | It is | 11:42 |
| vi__ | it works great | 11:42 |
| vi__ | ...however | 11:42 |
| ruskie | hehe | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not in initscrips... yayaya | 11:42 |
| ruskie | was waiting for that but | 11:42 |
| ruskie | setup an init script to do it for you | 11:42 |
| ruskie | or modify the one that mounts home to do so | 11:43 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I'm trying to find out why bridge-work-que is hogging the CPU every few seconds. Its a huge battery drain if I disconnect it off the charger for a few hours | 11:43 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: lol, tracker or thu,bnailer has gone bezerk | 11:43 |
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| vi__ | psycho_oreos: check for broken thumbnails, restart and rebuild tracker DB | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | bridge-work-queue ? what does that do? | 11:43 |
| psycho_oreos | there was a bug thing created for bridge_work-que but that was for old firmware | 11:43 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, bah thumbnails, thanks I'll have to go look I suppose | 11:44 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: at least in every case where that has happened to me it has been the case | 11:44 |
| vi__ | ^case/occasion | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: if you got problems of any kind, killing thumbnailerd and trackerd is always a good first step to aproach the issue | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, heh its the exact same answer as that reported bug. I don't know how they found out it was thumbnailer *shrugs* ahh well | 11:45 |
| vi__ | what is the name of the init script that deals with mounts? | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, that's temporarily :) it'll respawn and starts the whole thing again | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | preinit? | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: yeah, you probably want to stop it, or sth | 11:46 |
| chem|st | wouldn't a bare fstab entry be enough at it is userland anyways? | 11:46 |
| ruskie | chem|st, fstab isn't supported on m5 | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, I've personally never had much luck with setting binding mounts at boot. lcuk showed me the way with symlinking it and to me its a godsend | 11:46 |
| chem|st | ruskie: thought it is just not used | 11:46 |
| ruskie | unless you modify the init scripts | 11:46 |
| ruskie | chem|st, nope it gets regenerated on each boot | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | either killall -SIGSTOP, or actually `stop trackerd` or sth | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, better yet.. find the culprit and get rid of it, problem is where :/ | 11:46 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: can symlink shit on f****g fat32 | 11:46 |
| ruskie | vi__, so stop using f.... vfat | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: I said first step to approach the real culprit | 11:47 |
| chem|st | ruskie: ah that was with that "mount first vfat you find as MyDocs" crap | 11:47 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, ah you still have MyDocs as fat32, why not shove it inside /home|/opt? | 11:47 |
| chem|st | long time ago... | 11:47 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: thats is what I am doing! | 11:47 |
| ruskie | my init setup on the n900 actually supports fstab properly | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: HAHAHA | 11:48 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: however all programs use ...Mydocs/.maps as a common dumping ground for maps | 11:48 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, ? | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: ""stop using VFAT"" - how's he supposed to do that? cmpletely rewrite the partitioning and some apps, or switching to another OS? | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, well killing it won't do much imo :) its now tethered to charger. So I guess while its charged and bridge_work-que is hogging %CPU every so often, I'm just going to find the culprit image/video/whatever, remove it and rebuild db | 11:49 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, erm... it can be done | 11:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, and it's for sure almost as easy as a bindmount | 11:49 |
| ruskie | a tad more involved... but the instructions are on the wiki and tmo | 11:50 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: I would happily ditch fscking fat32, however I need to maintain backwartd compatability to 'lesser' OSes | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, true and not only that the perms will somewhat be screwed up when it gets into /home|/opt. I guess the other thing is that it'll also make your .maps inaccessible if you set it to mass storage mode as well | 11:50 |
| jpinx | ruskie: that failed cos I can not select PCsuite mode on plugin by usb :( | 11:50 |
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| ruskie | jpinx, you shouldn't need to | 11:50 |
| jpinx | in the laptop there was no usb0 interface on plugin | 11:51 |
| ruskie | jpinx, did you load the cdc_ether module? | 11:51 |
| jpinx | ifconfig failed :( | 11:51 |
| ruskie | on the laptop | 11:51 |
| vi__ | I thought about an EXT4 MyDocs but ultimatley decided it would be more flexable to make a 16GB /home|/opt and just move certain stuff there and use mount bind | 11:51 |
| vi__ | Unfortunatley I still have to deal with doze from time to time | 11:52 |
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| jpinx | ruskie: I use my good n900 with this laptop all the time -- so it works | 11:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly points at bug in camera (as of <= PR1.1?) where root created the DCIM dir (or sth similar) and then camera-ui borked when DCIM been on a non-VFAT fs as the permissions of camera-ui weren't sufficient for the directory to write to it :-P | 11:52 | |
| kerio | fucking hell nokia | 11:53 |
| jpinx | I am trying to test an n900 with brokewn screen before investing in it | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | original bug report: "camera fails on ext3" | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx: YOu know about composite out? | 11:53 |
| psycho_oreos | I was looking at resizing /home|/opt from 2GB to 4GB but I couldn't find a single guide. Rather there was a guide on how to reverse the roles of /home|/opt and /home/user/MyDocs around: i.e. /home/user/MyDocs on 2GB and /home|/opt on 29GB | 11:53 |
| jpinx | SpeedEvil: no TV here | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: you just modify emmc image | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, should be fixed, its a ownership + perms issue iirc | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: and replace 2048 with 4096 in it | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sure | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: mohammadag done that | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, *scratches head* the firmware? | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: no | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: and yes it was about permissions, thought it was implicitly obvious from my description | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: emmc image | 11:54 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: alternativley, install backup menu. Enable USB read/write mode. Use gparted for your nefarious schemes. | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: firmware is in fiasco image and you have to flash that too later on | 11:55 |
| jpinx | ruskie: on plugin the usb, I thought you have to select PC Suite Mode ? | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, heh, wasn't paying close attention | 11:55 |
| jpinx | as far as I can tell this n900 has never been ssh'd before | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, the vanilla image? that .bin blob? ;) | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: there are similar issues where a directory or file is accessed under "file" and "File" and "FILE" | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: yeah | 11:56 |
| Sicelo | jpinx: yes.. if you have usb0 up once.. you can even use charging mode.. | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 11:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | vi__, lol I'd avoid that personally, a bricked N900 (which I've just gone through) was not fun :) | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | in beggining of the file there is something like | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | partition { | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | size = 3072; | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | fs_type = "ext3"; | 11:56 |
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| jacekowski | get hex editor and change that to whatever you want | 11:57 |
| jacekowski | then flash both images | 11:57 |
| jpinx | Sicelo: ok - what happens when its a virgin and the screen is borked? | 11:57 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, yeah that's with caps issue, FAT* doesn't discriminate filenames with capital letters or not but not with *nix fs :) | 11:57 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: Well, It is how I do it. Right after a reflash, first thing. Re-size /opt with gparted. | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: look at joerg_rw/tools wikipage. There you got a "howto" on resizing the /home partition | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | vi__: why not flash it with image that has different size of that partition | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: if you want i can modify the image for you | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, interesting, I thought it was all jumbled.. ahh well its a bit too late now, I've taken on the route of converting my /home/user/MyDocs from FAT32 to ext3 | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: along the line of what jacekowski suggested | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: you don't really want to do that | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, its ok :) thanks. I think it'll be somewhat a pain to almost redo my setup again :) | 11:59 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I'll take a look, maybe I can do that on my spare N900 | 11:59 |
| vi__ | BTW, CSSU camera-ui replacement fixes saving to FS bug. | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you'll most likely end up with a bootlooping system, if you finally arrive at MyDocs=ext3 | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | camera-ui is closed | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | so i doubt that | 12:00 |
| vi__ | jacekowski: No, the replacement for camera-ui | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, bit too late :/ I thought that was the easiest way out as backupmenu + USB read/write mode I thought wouldn't give me proper access (definitely mistaken now, bit too slow) | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: CSSU camera-ui replacement is one of the huge flaws of CSSU as that camera bit never should've got into CSSU | 12:01 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: the guide to converting mydocs to ext3 goes into changing genfstab.awk to avoid boot loop. | 12:01 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I followed Lantizia's HOWTO, works without bootloops. Though I did it twice to have a success, the first time I couldn't mount /home/user/MyDocs, ended up with bootloops, etc. | 12:01 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: camera-ui in cSSU, meh. | 12:01 |
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| Sicelo | jpinx: wlan then, as per DocScrutinizer ... you can Shift-Ctrl-X to bring up Xterm. i dunno how to connect to wlan from there though | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough, as that'S the bare minimum you'll have to do on top of all the acrobatics to change fs itself | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, the HOWTO by Lantizia? | 12:03 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: I don't know that howto. | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: eh?? | 12:03 |
| ErwinJunge | Is it possible to somehow expose the gps in the n900 to a pc via usb? | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, ahh ok, fyi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 | 12:04 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: however you will have to change genfstab.awk to llok for partition type 82 instead of fat | 12:04 |
| jacekowski | ErwinJunge: there was something for that | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: (<vi__> DocScrutinizer: camera-ui in cSSU, meh.) MEH indeed. but I think you meant sth different | 12:04 |
| jacekowski | ErwinJunge: via virtual serial port or something like that | 12:04 |
| Sicelo | what about Columbus :/ | 12:04 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: oh that guide. Yeah. | 12:05 |
| ErwinJunge | jacekowski: Did some quick googling, but couldn't find anything definitive. | 12:05 |
| jacekowski | ErwinJunge: columbus iirc | 12:05 |
| ErwinJunge | Sicelo: Does columbus share the gps via usb as well? I use it for gps access on the phone. | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, I guess Lantizia's method averted all that because he mentioned that maemo assumes 82 is /home and if both /home/user/MyDocs && /home|/opt are 82, it'll mount both as /home|/opt or something. So he changed the FS ID to 42 which he says its old linux partition ID | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, heh that guide I noticed in the code portion only changes two files. I wasn't aware it changed genfstab.awk | 12:06 |
| Sicelo | check under Tools | 12:06 |
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| ErwinJunge | Thanks, googling on n900 columbus usb got me some interesting results | 12:06 |
| chem|st | ErwinJunge: columbus shars gps via anything | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: a lot of more prudent people changed size of MyDocs from 27GB to sth like 2GB in favour of /home growth, while keeping the VFAT fs on it | 12:06 |
| vi__ | ok, I have added: | 12:08 |
| ErwinJunge | jacekowski, Sicelo, chem|st: That's amazing :) I've been using columbus for gps info on the device for a long time but never knew about the extra features like sharing over bluetooth/usb :) Thanks for the pointer! | 12:08 |
| vi__ | echo "mount some shit" > /etc/fstab in rcS-late after genfstab.awk is called. | 12:08 |
| vi__ | rebooting.... | 12:08 |
| Sicelo | \0/ | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: what will happen if you ever have to reflash rootfs? | 12:09 |
| vi__ | I have to do ALL THIS SHIT AGAIN. | 12:09 |
| vi__ | but at least I will know what to do | 12:10 |
| vi__ | oh and BUM | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: PLUS you have to flash == erase all your eMMC | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | BM | 12:10 |
| chem|st | or it wont even boot I guess | 12:10 |
| vi__ | BAH | 12:10 |
| vi__ | BOOTLOOP | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | congrats | 12:11 |
| robbiethe1st | If you've got PK, use the BM terminal | 12:11 |
| chem|st | another happy customer! | 12:11 |
| robbiethe1st | heh, yea | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo robbiethe1st | 12:11 |
| vi__ | robbiethe1st: I do, and I shall. | 12:11 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh, that reminds me. Do you know where the N950 flashable images are, DocScrutinizer ? | 12:11 |
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| vi__ | robbiethe1st: how to tab with BM console? | 12:12 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, yeah there was guide by: 白い熊 | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I know I have a link to one_click_flasher | 12:12 |
| robbiethe1st | vi__: shift+space | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi__: ctrl-i ? | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 12:12 |
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| robbiethe1st | It's... pali?'s KB layout | 12:14 |
| vi__ | robbiethe1st: thank you | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: there's that landing zone in #harmattan topic. You got everything there, in max 2 clicks distance | 12:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Perfect | 12:14 |
| vi__ | robbiethe1st: another question. How to suppress output of charging script while in root console? It keeps outputting all over my screen | 12:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Not sure | 12:15 |
| robbiethe1st | You can always kill the charging script, but... | 12:15 |
| vi__ | robbiethe1st: where is the charging script? | 12:15 |
| robbiethe1st | I need to upload a new version | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: ouch | 12:15 |
| robbiethe1st | uh... /bin/charge.sh | 12:15 |
| vi__ | is it incorporated in BM main script? | 12:15 |
| robbiethe1st | No | 12:15 |
| vi__ | robbiethe1st: ok, Il just REM out the echo line. | 12:15 |
| robbiethe1st | that'll work | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: maybe redirect output of charge.sh >/dev/null or sth? | 12:16 |
| robbiethe1st | remember, however, that the copy in /bin is in memory | 12:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, why not | 12:16 |
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| robbiethe1st | that will allow it to be run without it for debug | 12:16 |
| vi__ | robbie how to get '>' in root console? | 12:17 |
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| robbiethe1st | shift + > maby? alt+ >? | 12:17 |
| SpeedEvil | press symbol | 12:17 |
| SpeedEvil | then the vkbd pops up | 12:18 |
| robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil: In BM terminal | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: I think I could have a short review and edit on charge.sh to come up with a somewhat more sophisticated script that has things like "--quiet" and maybe even "--daemonize" | 12:18 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: Go ahead. I'm all for it | 12:18 |
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| vi__ | robbiethe1st: thank you robbie, you are a total bro. | 12:19 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, NP | 12:19 |
| vi__ | I hope you spen my donations on drugz 'n beers. | 12:19 |
| robbiethe1st | heh, I wish. IIRC, I spent it on a replacement USB port(5, actually) for my N900 | 12:20 |
| robbiethe1st | So, I have to ask. Who's the djszapi guy in #harmattan? He acts like he knows everything, seems to not like anyone's plan to improve *anything*,, and seems just plain unhelpful | 12:23 |
| ErwinJunge | What is this BM you're talking about? I took a guess at either battery monitor or battery management, but can't find anything on google. Link? | 12:24 |
| vi__ | Un-fscking believable | 12:24 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: sounds like abill... | 12:24 |
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| vi__ | My line is in fstab, it is added in rcS-late | 12:24 |
| robbiethe1st | ErwinJunge: BackupMenu | 12:24 |
| robbiethe1st | ~bm | 12:25 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 12:25 |
| vi__ | /opt/somepath /somepath none bind | 12:25 |
| ErwinJunge | robbiethe1st: thanks | 12:25 |
| robbiethe1st | chem|st: Yes, it does, now that I think about it | 12:25 |
| vi__ | when I run mount -a it mounts | 12:25 |
| vi__ | but it STILL doesnt mount at boot | 12:25 |
| vi__ | WTF | 12:25 |
| vi__ | how is this even possible? | 12:25 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: pain! | 12:25 |
| chem|st | kick from channel! | 12:26 |
| robbiethe1st | I would if I had any powers | 12:26 |
| vi__ | what order is items in fstab mounted? | 12:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | I think the fstab file is ignored at boot time | 12:30 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: no | 12:31 |
| vi__ | it is used to mount everything | 12:31 |
| vi__ | it is created automatically, used to mount | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | fstab is autogenerated | 12:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is a crappy awk script | 12:32 |
| jacekowski | and there is something else | 12:32 |
| jacekowski | bash script that specifies -t vfat | 12:32 |
| vi__ | jacekowski: yes? | 12:32 |
| ruskie | yup | 12:32 |
| jacekowski | so you have to modify that as well | 12:32 |
| ruskie | fstab is ignored | 12:32 |
| jacekowski | ruskie: no it's not | 12:32 |
| ruskie | unless you modify the init scripts | 12:32 |
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| vi__ | so, how do I get somthing to be mounted at boot?????:? | 12:33 |
| ruskie | jacekowski, considering I've modified the scripts to actually respect fstab | 12:33 |
| ruskie | vi__, you create a new init script for it | 12:33 |
| ruskie | or modify existing ones | 12:33 |
| vi__ | if fstab is ignored, why is the system unbootable if fstab is broken? | 12:33 |
| psycho_oreos | have a look here :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.237:_arbitrary_size_for_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_.28PR_1.2.2F3_compatible.29 | 12:34 |
| psycho_oreos | ugh that's a rather long link | 12:34 |
| ruskie | fstab gets generated on each boot | 12:34 |
| vi__ | ruskie: if it is ignored, what is the pooint in generating it? | 12:35 |
| ruskie | mount might want it to exist | 12:35 |
| vi__ | what must I do to enable it? | 12:35 |
| ruskie | to enable fstab? | 12:36 |
| vi__ | ya | 12:36 |
| ruskie | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#Repartitioning read the comments in the script | 12:36 |
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| vi__ | gah, why is maemo so hackish? | 12:40 |
| ruskie | I should update that info with my current setup though | 12:40 |
| ruskie | vi__, because it's made for hacking ;) | 12:40 |
| ruskie | and possibly propose a patch to cssu for it | 12:40 |
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| vi__ | this is going to fcking kill me | 12:42 |
| vi__ | My line exists in fstab | 12:42 |
| vi__ | if I type mount -a it mounts | 12:42 |
| ruskie | yup | 12:42 |
| ruskie | but on a reboot it should disapear | 12:42 |
| ruskie | atleast it always did here | 12:42 |
| vi__ | if i type mount /home/opt/maps_osm it mounts | 12:42 |
| vi__ | I have an event.d script that calls mount /home/opt/maps_osm | 12:43 |
| vi__ | it runs | 12:43 |
| vi__ | BUT IT DOESN T FFFFFFFF MOUNT THE DAMN THING | 12:43 |
| ruskie | no fstab entry | 12:43 |
| vi__ | I Dont get it | 12:43 |
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| ruskie | fstab gets regenerated on reboot | 12:43 |
| vi__ | There is a fstab entry | 12:44 |
| ruskie | unless something changed | 12:44 |
| vi__ | ruskie: I have an 'echo "/mount/stuff /here none bind" | 12:44 |
| vi__ | ruskie: I have an 'echo "/mount/stuff /here none bind"' | 12:44 |
| vi__ | in rcS-late | 12:44 |
| vi__ | the line is in fstab | 12:44 |
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| vi__ | it is added to the autogenerated fstab | 12:44 |
| vi__ | at boot | 12:44 |
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| ruskie | ahhh | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | please don't use enter as punctuation | 12:45 |
| ruskie | vi__, my suggestion is don't bother with fstab | 12:45 |
| vi__ | if I type 'mount /home/opt/maps_osm' it mounts in the right place | 12:45 |
| ruskie | and just add mount --bind /a /b | 12:45 |
| ruskie | into the event script | 12:45 |
| vi__ | done, rebooting | 12:47 |
| ruskie | /srv/storage /mnt/storage bind defaults,bind 0 0 <-- that's a bind mount entry on my server at home btw | 12:47 |
| vi__ | ruskie, and that is what I would use normally. However genfstab.awk uses /here /there none bind | 12:48 |
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| jpinx | ruskie: I bought it on the basis that it powers-up, so probably will work ;) Now I'll do a screen swap and set it up to accept the usb connection without need for any input, and do everything by ssh... | 12:52 |
| jpinx | ruskie: you'll be hearing more about this experiment ;) | 12:53 |
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| vi__ | ruskie this will blow your mind | 12:55 |
| vi__ | I have created an /event.d/mounts | 12:55 |
| vi__ | It contains exec mount --bind /a /b | 12:56 |
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| ruskie | does not work? | 12:56 |
| vi__ | from console if I type 'start mounts', it executes the file and mounts the directories. | 12:56 |
| vi__ | However! It does not work at boot. | 12:56 |
| vi__ | it runs, but does not mount anything | 12:57 |
| ruskie | and you're certain it runs? | 12:57 |
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| vi__ | ruskie: yes | 13:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | who had that link on spotting between a real and fake N9 lol, you know that link would come in real handy | 13:10 |
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| * SpeedEvil is reminded of "funnel or tunnel". | 13:15 | |
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| psycho_oreos | there's a pre-order N9 (!) for sale on fleabay, who knows if its a scam or you end up getting W9 *snickers* | 13:21 |
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| ErwinJunge | W9? | 13:21 |
| psycho_oreos | codenamed: Sea Ray | 13:21 |
| ErwinJunge | Ah, that one | 13:21 |
| ErwinJunge | You seriously want an N9? | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: probably it runs too early, or in an inappropriate environment | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | its quite sad too that there's very little difference between the two when viewed from a distance. One can easily mistake N9 with W9 or vice versa from a distance | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | ErwinJunge, I'd somewhat prefer N950 but I guess I have no choice but to get N9 :) | 13:22 |
| ErwinJunge | I'd miss my keyboard too much with N9, just sticking to the N900 for now | 13:23 |
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| Arkenoi | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Nokia-N9-16GB-Red-8MP-Unlocked-/320746499936?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aadfb2f60 | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: probably hw kbd is your least problem when migrating from N900 to N9 | 13:24 |
| psycho_oreos | that's the one thing that worries me with N9, its easy to lose virtual keyboard on N900. Without purchasing a bluetooth keyboard or reflashing N9, how the hell is one going to get their virtual keyboard back? | 13:24 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: What else? | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | Nescafé | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N9 has an all different OS, though some claim it's still maemo. I don't actually buy that for a maemo OS | 13:25 |
| ErwinJunge | Oh yeah, that too. I like the ecosystem here. | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole philosophy of HARM is tailored towards "end-user me-too iPhone look alike" | 13:26 |
| Arkenoi | once we will have a .deb to kick aegis down and gtk libraries it is much like maemo :-) | 13:26 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: That's for sure | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I suppose this would go against your NDA, but have you ever had virtual keyboard disappearing on you with N950? | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | or can I not ask that? | 13:27 |
| robbiethe1st | I can say I haven't had it happen when it wasn't supposed to | 13:27 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: the vkbd is actually pretty nice | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's neither against my NDA nor do i use vkbd a lot on N950 | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | vkbd still is a PITA | 13:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Latter part is also true | 13:28 |
| Arkenoi | what really sucks is lack of landscape mode on most apps just like lack of portrait mode on n900 | 13:28 |
| nid0 | n950 lacks swype preloaded that the n9 comes with though | 13:28 |
| vi__ | please, for the love of god in all that is holy. Can someone make a pastebin of their /etc/event.d/xsession file. | 13:28 |
| robbiethe1st | I have to ask... do you know if they'll implement landscape mode on the desktop in harmattan? | 13:28 |
| vi__ | I am begging you. | 13:28 |
| robbiethe1st | vi__: n900 or n950? | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: indeed | 13:28 |
| hiemanshu | nid0: we might get it in the later half | 13:28 |
| vi__ | n900 | 13:29 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, I'm quite worried because installing international language input such as scim for instance can easily screw up vkbd.. and to lose vkbd when you're on the move can be a real pita | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | but what sucks most is aegis | 13:29 |
| * Jaffa considers tapping GAN900 up to get him a TouchPad for Mrs Jaffa | 13:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you're not master of your own device, even when you got root | 13:29 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: I need one too! | 13:29 |
| hiemanshu | but stupid B&N wont accept my card :( | 13:29 |
| nid0 | wish I could pick a couple up, the sale doesnt seem to have reached the uk though :< | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: mompls | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, /etc/event.d/xsession | 13:30 |
| robbiethe1st | http://pastebin.com/CQfGjfi2 | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | http://pastebin.com/9LL51XeS | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | ffs | 13:30 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh well | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 13:30 |
| * psycho_oreos failed in two ways :/ | 13:31 | |
| vi__ | 2nd, how to kill charger script | 13:31 |
| robbiethe1st | sudo gainroot; stop bme? | 13:31 |
| vi__ | I cannot type all that stuff in with stupid charger values clobbering whole screen | 13:31 |
| robbiethe1st | Or, for BM... run 'top', kill it | 13:32 |
| robbiethe1st | pidof charge.sh, kill *pid* | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | anyhow, I guess we'll see how well N9 performs with its vkbd and user wanting to use international input language(s) | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | pkill charge.sh | 13:32 |
| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: What I don't understand about Aegis is why? Why go through all the trouble to put that in there? What does Nokia gain? | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | or kill `pidof charge.sh` | 13:32 |
| hiemanshu | ErwinJunge: a reason to hate meego | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | ErwinJunge, trust from the media universe. | 13:33 |
| psycho_oreos | ErwinJunge, cripple one's experience with meego/maemo platform | 13:33 |
| hiemanshu | ErwinJunge: a reason to make people hate meego | 13:33 |
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| robbiethe1st | ErwinJunge: one guy was talking about it being some sort of requirement for carriers, and thus for meego | 13:33 |
| Appiah | hmm? anything wrong with the N9 vkbd ? | 13:33 |
| jonwil | yeah Nokia gains trust from the media companies who will be more willing to release their content for these platforms | 13:33 |
| jonwil | i.e. the platforms with Aegis | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: probably it's legacy from a time when Nokia thought *all* their smartphones will have maemo/meego | 13:33 |
| vi__ | ...now I have to re-type xsession file on littel n900 KB with crumby busybox vi | 13:33 |
| vi__ | -_- | 13:33 |
| robbiethe1st | I, for one, want to see it broken as wide as possible. So, as long as it's wipable, and I can have it removed on mine, great. | 13:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | robbiethe1st, yeah | 13:34 |
| psycho_oreos | Appiah, no, none that I know of (plus I don't even own one myself). I'm just afraid of losing vkbd with N9 when it comes to inputting foreign language characters on N9 as it did with N900 (note that I skipped N950, that's because I actually don't own one) | 13:34 |
| robbiethe1st | vi__: Um... pull out your uSD card, load it on, plug it back in, remount, copy? | 13:34 |
| hiemanshu | ErwinJunge: also, so you can have angry birds :P | 13:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | robbiethe1st, javispedro managed to turn it off for good | 13:34 |
| vi__ | howto mount sd under bm? | 13:34 |
| robbiethe1st | mountsd | 13:34 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: N900 has a vkdb? | 13:34 |
| robbiethe1st | or mountsd.sh | 13:35 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: hey | 13:35 |
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| jonwil | I suspect what will happen is people will come up with an unsigned kernel that ignores the | 13:35 |
| vi__ | robbie, you are the greatest. | 13:35 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, and it unmounts everything upon exit, so... | 13:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey hiemanshu :) | 13:35 |
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| jonwil | that ignores the "turn Aegis on" flags from the usermode daemon | 13:35 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, you meant vkbd, yes it does when you don't have the physical keyboard hanging out, and there's extra chars menu via Sym|Cntrl + blue arrow | 13:35 |
| Appiah | psycho_oreos oh , when I still had a n900 I never used the vkbd | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi jonwil :-D | 13:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Same | 13:36 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: nope cant see it :( | 13:36 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: maybe its not present in the indian images | 13:36 |
| psycho_oreos | Appiah, with N9, you'll be _forced_ to use vkbd until you buy maybe a bluetooth keyboard and hope that damn thing works when you're caught in a bind :) | 13:36 |
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| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: well, bluetoothe kbd + duct-tape works | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, weird, but Sym|Ctrl + blue arrow brings up extra characters menu? | 13:37 |
| Appiah | dont see why the n9 vkbd would lack let say a swedish qwerty layout | 13:37 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: yeah, that works | 13:37 |
| Appiah | but yes that will be a big WTF | 13:37 |
| jonwil | will be interesting to see what the Google+Motorola deal does to the mobile landscape | 13:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, that's what I said :) but it'll be handy for someone to also sniff typed letters :p fun! | 13:38 |
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| jonwil | It wont affect Nokia or Maemo or MeeGo though I suspect | 13:38 |
| psycho_oreos | Appiah, I meant inputting characters like Chinese, Russian, Japanese, etc | 13:38 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: I thought one like the N950 has one | 13:38 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, weird | 13:38 |
| Appiah | psycho_oreos: oh O_o | 13:38 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, what vkbd? I dunno, it should but like N900 it also has physical keyboard so when shit hits the fan you're not stuck :p | 13:39 |
| psycho_oreos | Appiah, its very easy to break vkbd in N900, installing mscim (yes yes I know, its part of extras-devel, I was forewarned, but I need it!) can easily break vkbd | 13:39 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: well, the N950 has a vkbd like the N9 when the slider is closed, so I though N900 had one too, I use the phone with a single hand, a lot | 13:39 |
| jonwil | whats mscim? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I thought N900 *has* a vkbd. All you need to do is enable it in settings | 13:40 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: ugh, I had to enable it :/ | 13:40 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, I never tried Indian image to be honest, I'm using global image and you get vkbd when slider is closed (exact same behaviour as N950, except I never seen N950 in proper action :p) | 13:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | jonwil, maemo scim (smart common input method) allows you to input characters from other languages like Russian, Chinese, Japanese, etc. Though mscim is made for N900 afaik | 13:41 |
| jonwil | ok | 13:41 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, lol so now you see it? | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: will you be around in 1...2h? | 13:42 |
| Cor-Ai | hi, im using wvdial to use my n900 as a modem, it works perfektly but after 5-7 minutes of surfing, the n900 reboots, any one got the same trouble? or an idea? | 13:42 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: yeah, looks like shit | 13:42 |
| jonwil | I will be, why? | 13:42 |
| hiemanshu | hey jonwil | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: wanna talk to you, but have to run now, so afk. CYA l8r | 13:42 |
| jonwil | ok | 13:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, hey well that's vkbd when you don't want to use physical keyboard. Also I guess it can act somewhat as a bit of alternative to preventing excessive wear-and-tear on physical keyboard. My old N900 has a few keys chipped (paint peeled off) and the backlight shone through) | 13:44 |
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| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: hah, my N900 isn't that bad though | 13:45 |
| psycho_oreos | well now I have aftermarket key pad but am being more cautious than I was | 13:45 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, though the bottom line is, N9 once vkbd is stuffed and you don't happen to have bluetooth keyboard handy. You're SOL. This was somewhat my huge beef with N9 and prefer N950 | 13:46 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: that shouldn't be a problem seeing that vkbd is the only way to type anything, unless they can implement a perfect text to speech algo | 13:47 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: but that would be weird doing a 'man unzip' in public :/ | 13:47 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, we're talking of nokia here | 13:47 |
| vi__ | hiemanshu: BWAHAHAHAAA! | 13:47 |
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| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: yes, I used a 5800, N8, and such with non english languages, works fine | 13:48 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, those two other named products aren't meego :) | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | nor are they even closely related to maemo | 13:49 |
| hiemanshu | well actually its just maemo with meego stuff added to it | 13:49 |
| hiemanshu | it still has debs and such | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | but no what I meant is if nokia remains uncommitted and trying their best to cripple N9, do you think they'll implement speech -> text? I somewhat doubt it | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | 5800 && N8 == symbian :) nowhere near | 13:50 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: well they could implement it, and add it free to the W9, and give it as a paid upgrade to the N9? | 13:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | but yes I do see what you mean, they call it harmattan | 13:50 |
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| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: thats a nice app idea :P | 13:51 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, add it free to W9, yup that's a wise choice :) may as well not manufacture N9 and make people say its vapourware instead :p | 13:51 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: think the way nokia does :P | 13:51 |
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| hiemanshu | they need a scheme for PROFIT! :P | 13:51 |
| hiemanshu | make N9, ????, un-PROFIT! | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | and cripple whatever they hate? :) | 13:52 |
| hiemanshu | arent they already doing that? :P | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | they could have not bothered with N9, that'd be devastating | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | wonder who are they really pleasing :p | 13:53 |
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| Arkenoi | but typing in portrait mode with physical keyboard sucks big time | 13:54 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: the board meeting probably went like 'This is the next Phone' 'But what about the meego phone we promised' 'Meh, take the Sea Ray, remove some buttons, cripple it with aegis, and sell em' | 13:55 |
| psycho_oreos | if you're talking about N900 style, yes, portrait mode sucks somewhat. If you're talking about a regular candy/bar style with what a T9 keyboard, not really | 13:55 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, At the time they didn't promise a phone iirc they promised a meego device and rumours were speculating it would be a tablet | 13:56 |
| hiemanshu | s/phone/device/ then :P | 13:56 |
| psycho_oreos | way off | 13:57 |
| psycho_oreos | alas all this complaining isn't going to get anywhere inside nokia | 13:57 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: its going to the naughty list :P | 13:58 |
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| vi__ | ok, so I stuck a file in /etc/event.d/file | 13:58 |
| vi__ | what do I have to do to get it to run? | 13:58 |
| vi__ | It is more or less a copy of another file in there | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, naughty list? | 13:58 |
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| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: http://xkcd.com/838/ | 13:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | vi__, most of the files within /etc/event.d directory in mine are 644 (rw-r-r) but some have execute bits, 755 (rwx-rx-rx). You may want to make changes to reflect that | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, that'd be an honour to be landed in naughty list within nokia :p its not like they'll do anything more with meego.. Probably once they are finished with selling N9 they'll probably dust their hands off and pretend the whole maemo/meego thing never really existed | 14:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | If they exist | 14:02 |
| robbiethe1st | I hope that if they just do wp7, they die | 14:03 |
| vi__ | psycho_oreos: the permissions are correct | 14:04 |
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| vi__ | This is driving me insane. why the F cant I mount stuff at boot?? | 14:04 |
| psycho_oreos | I hope either that or they get the wakeup call that they can still turn this damn hell hole WP7 boat around and start looking at the reality in a different light | 14:04 |
| psycho_oreos | vi__, hmm bugger.. well you've pretty much got stuck up to where I was stuck except I went overboard and screwed up my N900's setup in a different way | 14:05 |
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| robbiethe1st | I don't think WP7 can ever be turned around. Windows 8 for tablets on a phone, maby | 14:07 |
| robbiethe1st | But otherwise it's just a crude copy of iOS, with all the problems and none of the good sides | 14:08 |
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| jonwil | If Microsoft wants to make WP7 succesful, the #1 thing they could do to help get more apps is to make it 100% free to develop and test apps for the thing | 14:08 |
| jonwil | and make the fee only apply if you want to put it in the marketplace | 14:09 |
| jonwil | That will let people who want to dabble but cant justify the $99/yr fee do just that | 14:09 |
| jonwil | and maybe they create something worth spending $99 to publish | 14:09 |
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| nid0 | the fee for dabblers is $9, not $99 | 14:10 |
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| jonwil | yeah that crap, it should be $0 | 14:10 |
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| TimmyT1 | DocScrutinizer: hey doc | 14:11 |
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| FIQ | windows paying for developing, while Nokia gives out phones for free to (some) devs | 14:23 |
| FIQ | the difference.. | 14:23 |
| FIQ | er | 14:23 |
| FIQ | microsoft forcing you to pay* | 14:23 |
| markinfo | I have just buyed DATA Tarif from my Provider. Where are some settings for DATA connection on n900? | 14:29 |
| markinfo | I have founded it just now. | 14:30 |
| psycho_oreos | lol Nokia handing out free phones was only due to minimise wastage I bet | 14:32 |
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| hiemanshu | vi__: mount stuff at boot via /etc/fstab? | 14:39 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: free phones? where? | 14:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, why you asking when you got one? :p | 14:42 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: I currently own about 3 phones, I haven't paid for any of them | 14:43 |
| hiemanshu | :P | 14:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, spoilt? | 14:43 |
| hiemanshu | spoilt? | 14:44 |
| hiemanshu | and the 3 doesn't include a dev device like the N950 | 14:44 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, I meant as in being pampered till tickled happy? :p | 14:45 |
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| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: you can say so :P I have an awesome family and/or friends | 14:46 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, *sigh* | 14:46 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: one of them was actually a gift from a client, but I prefer not to name that phone here, because uhmm, I want to live | 14:47 |
| robbiethe1st | WP7? | 14:50 |
| hiemanshu | iPhone :P | 14:52 |
| * ruskie watches in slow motion as a bolt of lightning slowly ascends from hiemanshu and another bit descends from the clouds to meet in the middle and turn hiemanshu into a smoking pile of ash | 14:53 | |
| psycho_oreos | talk about being smited ;) | 14:53 |
| hiemanshu | like I said, I wanted to live :P | 14:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, jailbreak it, and hack the shit out of it... | 14:54 |
| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: done and done | 14:54 |
| ruskie | hehe | 14:54 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd now put it in the same category as the N950: Useless, until you load one hell of a lot of functionality-repairing apps on it. Like a filemanager, xterm, ssh, a real browser... | 14:55 |
| ruskie | hehe | 14:55 |
| * Arkenoi wonders what idiot invented that kind of behavior for "mobile" browser when if mime type is not known it gives up doing anything instead of saving it to internal storage | 14:56 | |
| Arkenoi | symbian behaves that way too | 14:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. | 14:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Also, I have to wonder: who thought capactative touch screens were a good idea? | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | people with fingers | 14:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Comparing my N900's screen with the N950... | 14:57 |
| robbiethe1st | N900's far more responsive, accurate with my finger, finger tip etc. | 14:58 |
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| Arkenoi | ah, the crowd majority calls resistive touchscreens "outdated" | 14:58 |
| robbiethe1st | and I have sweaty hands! | 14:58 |
| Arkenoi | and we cannot do anything to that | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | Then lose the few hundred pounds you shouldn't be sporting, and don't use capacitive screens with sausage fingers. | 14:58 |
| ruskie | robbiethe1st, yeah that's why you get good respons... sweaty hands ;) | 14:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Heh. I'm 130lbs and 6' tall. thin, long fingers | 14:59 |
| robbiethe1st | I know, I *should* be. | 14:59 |
| robbiethe1st | sweat is, after all, lower resistance | 14:59 |
| hiemanshu | robbiethe1st: its a conspiracy | 14:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea. Or just a "copy apple because they did something that worked" | 14:59 |
| ruskie | never had no issues with the resistive screens | 15:00 |
| ruskie | even the palm m105 no probs | 15:00 |
| edheldil | is not it due to multitouch? | 15:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Thing is, multitouch works fine. Sure. But try to tap small buttons. There's a good reason the iPhone has such large space-wasting buttons! | 15:01 |
| ruskie | but all the cap screens I had to use I wanted to throw the devices at the wall | 15:01 |
| Arkenoi | so i cannot wear a ring with a claw to use it with n950 like i could do with n900 | 15:02 |
| ruskie | or just reshape the nail ;) | 15:02 |
| hiemanshu | Arkenoi: those are just gay | 15:02 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 15:02 | |
| * Arkenoi lols | 15:02 | |
| jonwil | The N900 is the first touchscreen device I have used that I actually like | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | definitely not gay! | 15:03 |
| edheldil | I loved my Palm IIIx | 15:03 |
| hiemanshu | Arkenoi: rings are just gay | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | NO | 15:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Arkenoi: And you'll never get a N950, sadly. | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | already have one. | 15:03 |
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| ErwinJunge | Arkenoi: pic? | 15:04 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh | 15:04 |
| hiemanshu | ErwinJunge: of the N950? | 15:04 |
| ErwinJunge | No, the ring :) | 15:04 |
| ErwinJunge | I know what N950 looks like | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, going for one or not? | 15:04 |
| hiemanshu | ErwinJunge: hah | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, apparently germany is the first european country to start the firesale... Still not tempted? | 15:05 |
| hiemanshu | ErwinJunge: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_K3w5tohyzyU/SdZI853GadI/AAAAAAAAG4w/TNoDrdjTSBM/s400/P1140799.JPG | 15:05 |
| hiemanshu | I had something like that | 15:05 |
| ErwinJunge | Doesn't look very comfortable | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | touchpad? broke, no such oppotunity buys | 15:06 |
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| Arkenoi | http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/276116612/Claw_Finger_Armor_Ring.jpg yep, something like that (just a bit different buth the idea is the same). don't have one with me as i do not wear it anymore after switching to n950 | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | You shouldn't have been wearing that before getting the N950 either. | 15:08 |
| Arkenoi | well, mine looked slightly better :-) | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | regardless of "how good" it looked. | 15:09 |
| hiemanshu | crashanddie: I had about 8 of those | 15:09 |
| hiemanshu | different designs and such | 15:09 |
| vi__ | where are mounts/unounts logged? | 15:09 |
| hiemanshu | but then I turned 18 | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | vi__, syslog | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | hiemanshu, and grew a beard? | 15:10 |
| hiemanshu | crashanddie: nope, not growing a beard :P | 15:10 |
| hiemanshu | as in, wont grow one | 15:10 |
| hiemanshu | anyways | 15:10 |
| * hiemanshu is off | 15:10 | |
| Arkenoi | crashanddie, why? | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | I meant as in "have the capacity to grow one" | 15:10 |
| robbiethe1st | So, is there any problems with taking pictures of the N950(device, not software) and posting them? I didn't /see/ anything in the NDA, but... | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | Arkenoi, they're juvenile | 15:10 |
| Arkenoi | most of the time i wear this one: http://share.ovi.com/media/arkenoi.mymedia/arkenoi.10010 | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Looks like the UK may be getting a price dip too | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: If so, and the rumoured 89gbp is accurate, would be a lot better than the crappy Android 2.1 tablet from Maplin | 15:11 |
| Arkenoi | and a bag like that: http://share.ovi.com/media/arkenoi.mymedia/arkenoi.10037 , yes, at work too :-) | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | Wearing something like that tells the world "I am so utterly inept at social contact that I isolate myself behind goth and metal. Yes, the white makeup and black lips give me superpowers" | 15:12 |
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| ruskie | crashanddie, what does metal have to do with inept at social contact? | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | it doesn't. | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | but wearing those things does. | 15:14 |
| ruskie | doesn't seem so different from wearing watches, rings, pendants etc... | 15:14 |
| Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/ebosh_look.jpg mirror sunglasses fall into the same category? | 15:15 |
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| vi__ | I think it is quite clear what crashhandie is saying... | 15:18 |
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| nicofs | I have an issue registering with talk.maemo.org... seems i don't get the confirmation mail for my registration...it's not in the spam folder either. how long does it normally take for the mail to arrive? | 15:20 |
| vi__ | nicofs, almost instant | 15:22 |
| nicofs | vi__, hmm.. it's been hours now... | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, ping | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: white suite, hat, and cane with those, please | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: pong | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, can you have a look at the email confirmation? | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | for nicofs | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: No, forum is done by reggie. It is hosted elswhere. | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | Ah crap, right | 15:31 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, that's how i look most part of the summer | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | And he's never on IRC... | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: no wonder you have asolutely no friends whatsoever and girls ignore you! | 15:32 |
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| * RST38h winks, laughs satanically | 15:32 | |
| vi__ | /etc/event.d/mounts: unable to read: Invalid argument | 15:36 |
| vi__ | means? | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | you have an invalid argument in your /etc/event.d/mounts script | 15:36 |
| nicofs | i'd just try another mail address, but my name is blocked now and i'm kind of attached to it... | 15:36 |
| vi__ | mount --bind /this /there | 15:36 |
| vi__ | it works normally | 15:37 |
| vi__ | cat /etc/event.d/mounts | 15:37 |
| vi__ | description "mounting extra directories" | 15:37 |
| vi__ | author "paul sleggs" | 15:37 |
| vi__ | console output | 15:37 |
| vi__ | start on MOUNTS_OK | 15:37 |
| vi__ | script | 15:37 |
| vi__ | /bin/mount --bind /home/opt/maps_osm /home/user/MyDocs/.maps | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | please don't spam the channel | 15:37 |
| vi__ | end script | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | s/spam/flood/ | 15:37 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: please don't flood the channel | 15:37 |
| vi__ | Im sorry, im at my wits end | 15:38 |
| RST38h | vi: pastebin please | 15:38 |
| thp | X-Fade: ping | 15:38 |
| vi__ | the above line works when typed into root console | 15:38 |
| thp | X-Fade: i now got a notification that gpodder 2.18-1 (in -testing) is unlocked for promotion, but i can't promote due to a missing dependency | 15:38 |
| thp | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gpodder/2.18-1/ | 15:39 |
| vi__ | but not when invoked from within event.d/script. | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | thp: Why does it depend on maemo10? | 15:39 |
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| X-Fade | thp: Ah, I see this should be fixable. | 15:40 |
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| thp | :) | 15:40 |
| thp | i think the dependency on maemo10 is even for some reason (api change / fix in that version) - has been more than a year since this fix, though - and it is in extras | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | thp: Yeah, it got cleaned out somehow. | 15:42 |
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| dashavoo | Anybody here got any advice on dealing with insurance people, and any advice on what to say when they offer me an E7 or C7 to replace my N900? | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | insurance people? | 15:50 |
| dashavoo | crashanddie: after almost 6 months, the insurance people have finally decided my phone is not repairable | 15:51 |
| dashavoo | but, as far as I know, neither of the phones they are offering me are capable of running maemo | 15:51 |
| dashavoo | well... capable might not be the right word, but neither of them do run it | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | Indeed | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | But, you're pretty much SOOL | 15:52 |
| vi__ | accept E7, Sell as 'unopened, new' on ebay/amazon. Buy New N900. | 15:52 |
| tank-man | genius | 15:52 |
| vi__ | and you will probably have enough change for a six pack of beer. | 15:53 |
| dashavoo | vi__: I don't know whether they would send me a new one or a refurbished one | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | It has to be new | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | They're obliged to send a new one. | 15:53 |
| vi__ | dashavoo: what country? | 15:53 |
| dashavoo | vi__: UK | 15:53 |
| vi__ | dashavoo: BINGO! | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | Also, you may want to ask for a N950 or something | 15:53 |
| vi__ | under uk+EU law you are entitled to refund, replacement or replacement of equal value. | 15:54 |
| vi__ | they dont do refunds. | 15:54 |
| dashavoo | crashanddie: pretty sure N950 isn't something they keep in stock | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | It's worth a try | 15:54 |
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| dashavoo | true | 15:55 |
| RST38h | "If HP spins off their PC business....maybe they will call it Compaq?" (C)Michael Dell | 15:55 |
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| vi__ | dashavoo: You will not get a N950. There was a guy on here who threatened them with legal action, quoting the 'sale of goods act, uk'. | 15:55 |
| vi__ | They magically found him a new one. | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah, that's bollocks | 15:55 |
| vi__ | ? | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | Nokia don't give a fuck about legal action | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | they know that what they're doing is 100% legal | 15:56 |
| vi__ | well either way, he got a new one and under EU law they have to fix it. | 15:56 |
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| tank-man | doesn't that uk law between the consumer and the retailer, not the manufacturer | 15:56 |
| tank-man | isn't | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | Threaten them with legal action, and the only thing you'll achieve is you'll look like a dick. | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | vi__: sales of goods act say that if it's not feasible to fix it they may just give him a refund | 15:57 |
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| jacekowski | vi__: people that think sales of goods act is a magic bullet for everything are idiots | 15:57 |
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| vi__ | whatever. | 15:58 |
| jacekowski | and value is but fuzzy | 15:58 |
| jacekowski | because they may use ebay value | 15:58 |
| * RST38h suggestes threatening suicide | 15:58 | |
| jacekowski | and N8 is slightly more expensive than n900 | 15:58 |
| RST38h | It is way more cute than a legal action and has better chances of making them think twice before telling you to fuck yourself | 15:59 |
| dashavoo | RST38h: hehe, that second point might be true, but I don't thnk it would get me very far | 15:59 |
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| X-Fade | thp: Try now? | 16:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey guys | 16:05 |
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| vi__ | I still cannot get this to mount at boot | 16:12 |
| vi__ | I am now begging. Please help me. I have been at this for 5 hours. | 16:13 |
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| crashanddie | Yes, because just stating you're doing something helps finding the error | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | Now, wtf are you trying to achieve, exactly? | 16:13 |
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| vi__ | At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the filesystem. | 16:14 |
| vi__ | I want to mount /home/opt/maps_osm at /home/user/MyDocs/.maps | 16:14 |
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| thp | X-Fade: seems to work now - thanks a lot! :) | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: They may be idiots - however they only need to convince a magistrate in their local court, and nokia are unlikely to bother sending legal representation to a small claims case. | 16:15 |
| vi__ | I cannot use fstab because it is not used in maemo. | 16:15 |
| vi__ | So I have created an event.d script. | 16:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | fstab is used in maemo | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just autocreated | 16:16 |
| vi__ | -_- | 16:16 |
| vi__ | ruskie said it is not used. | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | it's autocreated after the fact isn't it? | 16:16 |
| vi__ | eitherway. | 16:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's used - it may not be used as you like | 16:16 |
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| vi__ | I added a line to rcS-late that adds my mount instructions to fstab AFTER it is autocreated. | 16:17 |
| vi__ | The directory does not get mounted. | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Alternative is to hack the autocreate script, or to do it the cheesy way. | 16:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which is to do it from userspace in a script called from queen-beecon on desktop create | 16:18 |
| vi__ | however if I type 'mount -a' or 'mount /home/opt/maps_osm' it WILL mount. | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - fstab is used. | 16:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | But nothing calls mount -a | 16:18 |
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| vi__ | The point is I have now tried 3 different methods, they all execute but the mount command does not work. | 16:19 |
| vi__ | It just outright does not work | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | you said 'mount -a' will mount | 16:19 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: after I have added the appropriate line to fstab, yes | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | So what do you mean by 'mount command does not work | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: probably it runs too early, or in an inappropriate environment | 16:20 |
| vi__ | I can mount the directory from the CLI after boot by hand. As root. | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I said this some hours ago actually | 16:21 |
| vi__ | I can do it as an event.d script, from fstab with mount and outright mount --bind /this /there | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | When doesn't it work? | 16:21 |
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| vi__ | SpeedEvil: It doesnt work when I try to make it happen during boot up. Neither through fstab, event.d or xsession.post script | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | fstab is NOT used in boot | 16:22 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: what EXACTLY do you mean? | 16:22 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer> fstab is NOT used in boot | 16:23 |
| vi__ | < SpeedEvil> yeah - fstab is used. | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Various scripts do mount /home | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | they don't do mount /dev/whatever /home | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | But nothing explicitly calls mount -a - so any filesystems you add to fstab by whatever means do not get mounted | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and before those scripts mount /home you can't bindmount sth to home | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It's been a while since I looked at it. | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: What are you actually wanting to mount where. | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MyDocs/.maps to /opt/maps | 16:24 |
| vi__ | At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the | 16:25 |
| vi__ | filesystem. | 16:25 |
| vi__ | At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the | 16:25 |
| vi__ | filesystem. | 16:25 |
| vi__ | gh At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the | 16:25 |
| vi__ | filesystem. | 16:25 |
| vi__ | I want to mount /home/opt/maps_osm at /home/user/MyDocs/.maps | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHAT?? | 16:25 |
| vi__ | arrgh | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | dude | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | just create a fucking symlink | 16:25 |
| vi__ | keyboard is spazzing out. sorry. | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: VFAT | 16:26 |
| vi__ | well if you know how tio make a symlink on a fat32 partition let me know. | 16:26 |
| jonwil | DocScrutinizer: you wanted to talk to me earlier? | 16:27 |
| vi__ | then where can I put a script that will get executed as root, on boot from userspace? | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: call it from queen beecon | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: Set to execute on startup. Add to sudoers | 16:29 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: That would be the ugliest, most vomified hack ever. | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | What if you removed the rm from the rcS script? | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | so that your fstab remains stable? | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: It works though. | 16:29 |
| vi__ | crashanddie: my fstab is stable. | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | Another question, why do you need this mount? | 16:30 |
| vi__ | to move the default maps folder from a vfat partition to a ext3 partition in order that it does not waste upto 1/2 more space due to retarded vfat file size | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | so you actually want your maps to be stored on the 128MB root? | 16:31 |
| vi__ | no, my 16GB /opt partition | 16:32 |
| crashanddie | How is that one mounted? | 16:33 |
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| vi__ | it is mounted by rcS-late somehow...I think. | 16:34 |
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| vi__ | http://pastebin.com/KhZxMZ9P | 16:36 |
| vi__ | is my fstab | 16:36 |
| vi__ | http://pastebin.com/Hbup5KXw | 16:36 |
| vi__ | is my event.d mount script | 16:36 |
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| vi__ | running the command in the mount script works from xterm | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: yeah | 16:37 |
| vi__ | but it does not work from within this script | 16:37 |
| vi__ | no error is reported in syslog. | 16:37 |
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| jonwil | what did you want to talk about? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: after even end of /etc/event.d/rcS-late there's still no MyDocs mounted, so you're out of luck with adding your bindmount there | 16:38 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: I havn't tried to mount within rcS-late | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: also be aware a bindmount of sth into MyDocs would probably mass storage mode fail as that wants to umount MyDocs. That'S also the reason MyDocs isn't force-mounted in init | 16:39 |
| vi__ | nteresting | 16:40 |
| vi__ | ^i | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | do you have /usr/lib/genfstab.awk? | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: you'd probably find out about ke-recv and how it handles mounting/umounting of MyDocs, and add your bindmount there | 16:40 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: already on it. | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I thought you might be interested in patching NOLO | 16:41 |
| jonwil | patching NOLO on what device and for what reason? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900, for the purpose of setting boot threshold voltage for battery higher, so the system stays longer in precharge before NOLO bots up linux | 16:42 |
| jonwil | I wouldn't know how to do that | 16:43 |
| jonwil | especially since NOLO isn't a normal ELF exe thats easy to reverse engineer | 16:43 |
| jonwil | in the way say libsms is | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | RE NOLO, find the code that compares a ADC-readout of bat voltage to a hardcoded threshold value, change that hardcoded value | 16:44 |
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| jacekowski | jonwil: it is easy to reverse engineer | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | you can treat it like staticaly linked ELF | 16:44 |
| jonwil | also I dont really have the time to work on reverse engineering stuff right now | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, ok | 16:44 |
| jonwil | I am busy with other (non-N900) projects | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm thinking abut buying n900 | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | so i may do some more stuff | 16:45 |
| jonwil | Although I am thinking about hacking that @#$^%$@# duck shoot game to make it easier to play :P | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: are you talking about old game with that light gun? | 16:45 |
| jonwil | no, I mean the duck shoot game on the n900 | 16:46 |
| jonwil | whatever its called | 16:46 |
| jonwil | the one in the repoas | 16:46 |
| jonwil | repos | 16:46 |
| jonwil | I play it when I am waiting for bus etc | 16:46 |
| jonwil | and its annoying me no end :P | 16:46 |
| jonwil | right now though I gotta watch as 4800 or so files (of various sizes totaling about 1.5GiB) pull down over FTP so I can then debug this problem with the code I am working on :( | 16:47 |
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| * jonwil wishes he could find some decent games for his N900 | 16:56 | |
| jonwil | Too many of them are unsuited to the mobile device (openttd for example is totally useless on a N900) | 16:57 |
| psycho_oreos | what about angry birds? ;) | 16:58 |
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| javispedro | hey. openttd works for me. | 16:59 |
| javispedro | it is unsuited to stylus-less devices. | 16:59 |
| jonwil | the problem with openttd is that its the sort of thing that you need to play in long sessions | 16:59 |
| jonwil | so its not good for when you just have 5 minutes waiting for a bus or something | 16:59 |
| jonwil | or even 20 minutes riding on that bus | 16:59 |
| javispedro | that's when I'm usually more hungry for entertainment | 16:59 |
| javispedro | (30 minutes bus rides, etc.) | 16:59 |
| jonwil | I play the duck shoot game, geweled and a few others | 17:00 |
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| jonwil | I still cant beat the chess AI in the stock chess app though | 17:00 |
| jonwil | Maybe that's because I suck at chess, not because of anything in that particular AI :P | 17:00 |
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| jonwil | wouldn't mind a good Backgammon game with a nice AI for the N900 though :P | 17:01 |
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| fizzie | I'm tempted to suggest playing Black Belt Sorvi Hero. (But it's not very much fun, really.) | 17:05 |
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| jonwil | I like puzzle games and games that require you to use your head | 17:06 |
| fizzie | NetHack, then; it runs reasonably, even if the keyboard isn't exactly the most comfortable thing to play with. | 17:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've done that with the keyboard. It's awkward. | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Even after learning vikeys | 17:08 |
| jonwil | played more than enough nethack in my life thankyou :P | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I did play a game down to I think it was level 9, before getting stomped by a nasty bones. | 17:08 |
| fizzie | Well, uh... robotfindskitten? (That seems to be the total sum of games I have installed here.) | 17:08 |
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| fizzie | There's also that sgtatham's "portable puzzle collection" thing, though it's not very polishedly "mobile". | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I find blocks annoyingly addictive at times. | 17:10 |
| jonwil | I find the N900 tetris clone to not be as good as other tetris clones I have played | 17:12 |
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| jonwil | such as the one on my previous phone :P | 17:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | jon: I filed two bugs against it. :) | 17:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | It has poor collision detection - you can move blocks quickly past slight obstructions | 17:19 |
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| flux | someone should write a tetris metapack. collect all tetris clones around, and make switching between them easy. | 17:24 |
| flux | preferably without changing game state :) | 17:24 |
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| vi__ | GUys! | 17:25 |
| vi__ | I don't wanna get too excited | 17:25 |
| vi__ | but I think I have cracked it. Just wanna say thanks for the tolerance. | 17:25 |
| vi__ | I edited the /usr/bin/osso-mount-mmc.sh | 17:26 |
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| vi__ | It now includes a line wrt to mounting my stuff. It survives reboots and USB pluggings. | 17:27 |
| flux | but, when pr1.4 comes, it'll break down ;( | 17:27 |
| vi__ | flux BWAHAHAHA | 17:27 |
| flux | ;) | 17:27 |
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| jonwil | I intend to keep using my N900 until it fails in a way that cant be fixed | 17:29 |
| jonwil | mostly because any other GOOD phone costs $$$$$ in Australia | 17:30 |
| jonwil | unless I join crappy contract which I dont want to do | 17:30 |
| jonwil | plus there is no phone available that is as good as a N900 | 17:31 |
| flux | "granpa, why does your phone need to be charged 5 times a day?" | 17:31 |
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| javispedro | hey, there are replacement batteries around for the n900 | 17:32 |
| javispedro | unlike the N9.. | 17:32 |
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| flux | in a few years they won't have them for n900 either ;) | 17:33 |
| javispedro | they are nokia standard batteries | 17:33 |
| javispedro | they are surely going to be around for 5 years at least | 17:33 |
| javispedro | unless doomsday happens | 17:33 |
| javispedro | of.c | 17:33 |
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| javispedro | so the nokia developer site has been cracked, and all the n950club password hashes have been released... | 17:41 |
| javispedro | (among others) | 17:41 |
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| nicofs | I'm trying to do "sudo -s" in console inside "easy Ubuntu", but all i get is "sudo: must be setuid root" - what can I do? | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Err - what? | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Really? | 17:42 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: http://www.thehackernews.com/2011/08/nokia-website-hacked-by-pr0tect0r-aka.html | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Crap. | 17:44 |
| jonwil | If more web sites took security seriously, news like this wouldn't be so frequent | 17:44 |
| jonwil | But web sites dont do enough for security | 17:44 |
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| flux | security should be automatic in the tools. | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Also if users diddn't share passwords | 17:45 |
| jonwil | yeah, I recon Microsoft and Oracle and IBM and the other makers of web development platforms and databases should add APIs and features so that security is dead simple | 17:45 |
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| jonwil | so for example, query stuff for databases would be designed so that being secure is the easy way | 17:46 |
| jonwil | and being insecure (SQL injections etc) is the hard way | 17:46 |
| flux | I imagine making non-secure sql queries in Java requires some effort | 17:46 |
| flux | well, maybe not, if you come from php :P | 17:47 |
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| jonwil | Its amazing how many database developers dont know about SQL injection and how to avoid it (or just dont care) | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mehehe Skype zero day HTML/(Javascript) code injection | 17:50 |
| jonwil | not a huge fan of Skype, mostly because they are yet another company that invented their own secret cryptography instead of using something off-the-shelf and well tested | 17:51 |
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| jonwil | like AES | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then protect it by obscurity | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and fail epically on even implementing a simple linux audio interface the right way | 17:53 |
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| jpinx-away | ruskie: and DocScrutinizer fwiw - it is not possible to get the n900 running without a screen after a battery out. It needs locales, time etc and I can find no way to do that or bypass it on the kbd | 17:58 |
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| nicofs | I'm trying to do "sudo -s" in console inside "easy Ubuntu", but all i get is "sudo: must be setuid root" - what can I do? | 18:03 |
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| javispedro | nicofs: are you sure you are inside ubuntu? | 18:10 |
| nicofs | javispedro, well, it looks like ubuntu and the terminal is xterm inside what looks like ubuntu... | 18:11 |
| javispedro | ok, then run "stat /usr/bin/sudo" | 18:11 |
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| nicofs | done... | 18:12 |
| javispedro | there will be a line like | 18:12 |
| javispedro | Access: (4111/---s--x--x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) | 18:12 |
| javispedro | paste the three numbers here (in the line above they would be 4111, 0, and 0) | 18:13 |
| nicofs | it's 6755 and 1000 1000 | 18:13 |
| * javispedro tries to guess how that could happen | 18:13 | |
| nicofs | ask qole, he provided the fs that way... | 18:13 |
| javispedro | yeah, ask qole is what you should do. | 18:14 |
| javispedro | refer him to the above conversation | 18:14 |
| nicofs | but shouldn't chmod and chown solve the issue? | 18:14 |
| javispedro | yes, but you'll need to do them as root outside the chroot. | 18:14 |
| javispedro | and I don't remember where is it mounted. | 18:14 |
| nicofs | mount fs on my pc? | 18:15 |
| javispedro | go ahead | 18:15 |
| nicofs | "mount file /place -o loop" or something like that... | 18:15 |
| javispedro | I'd ask qole though, maybe he has good reason. | 18:16 |
| nicofs | i do have quite a few backups... and today i feel lucky^^ | 18:16 |
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| nusse_ | boot with init=/bin/sh and fix it | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | moooo, javispedro | 18:19 |
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| nicofs | how can i change GID from 1000 to 0? | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, ping | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | chown? | 18:21 |
| javispedro | nicofs: chown root:root | 18:21 |
| javispedro | nicofs: chown root:root <file> | 18:21 |
| jacekowski | nicofs: gid of what? | 18:21 |
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| jacekowski | nicofs: file or user | 18:21 |
| nicofs | /usr/bin/sudo | 18:21 |
| javispedro | read a bit of backlog and you'll see his goal | 18:21 |
| nicofs | isn't it better to use numeric parameters...? | 18:22 |
| nusse_ | otherswise set a rootpw and use su | 18:22 |
| nicofs | nusse_, if only that worked... | 18:23 |
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| javispedro | nicofs: you can use root:root just fine | 18:23 |
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| nicofs | yes... i just realized that GID is group... just a few seconds too slow | 18:25 |
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| nicofs | anyway - problem persists | 18:25 |
| nicofs | stat now returns 0111 and 0 0 | 18:26 |
| nicofs | so the "4" that used to be there disappeared - could that have been caused by chown root:root? | 18:26 |
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| nicofs | moved on to the next error... | 18:31 |
| vi__ | :q | 18:32 |
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| nicofs | now /etc/sudoers has wrong permissions | 18:33 |
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| * javispedro sighs and ponders you ask qole | 18:34 | |
| javispedro | maybe you installed to vfat | 18:34 |
| javispedro | ah no, setuid bit was there though. | 18:34 |
| nicofs | not that i installed much - i downloaded the fs image... | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nicofs: chmod u+s <file> | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | "sudo: must be setuid root" | 18:46 |
| javispedro | nah, keep reading backlog ;) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | how far? til january? | 18:46 |
| javispedro | no no, after that. | 18:47 |
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| nicofs | should /etc/sudoers be 0440? | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and obviously also root:root | 18:50 |
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| nicofs | it works... | 18:51 |
| nicofs | sudo -s and no complaints | 18:52 |
| nicofs | now i can go about solving the issue that made me need sudo...^^ | 18:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, ping | 19:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, Jaffa, sorry, slept in today. | 19:37 |
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| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: die mate die! | 19:39 |
| hiemanshu | you are so late :( | 19:39 |
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| nicofs | erm... now i arrived at ".Xauthority : no such file..." what can I do...? | 19:43 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: why aren't you on #maemo-ssu ? | 19:44 |
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| ebob | hi | 20:08 |
| ebob | any Mfe lovers arround ? :] | 20:08 |
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| obcecado | ebob: i currently use it | 20:09 |
| ebob | ah great | 20:09 |
| merlin1991 | mfe? | 20:09 |
| obcecado | mail for exchange | 20:09 |
| ebob | did you had trouble with it ? | 20:09 |
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| ebob | yes mail for exchange :p | 20:10 |
| obcecado | nope, it has always worked perfectly | 20:10 |
| ebob | hmm weird | 20:10 |
| obcecado | so far, so good | 20:10 |
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| ebob | when u created ur account | 20:10 |
| ebob | it asked email/user/pass/domain ? | 20:10 |
| obcecado | yes | 20:10 |
| ebob | nothing else like owa url ? | 20:10 |
| obcecado | let me check that | 20:10 |
| ebob | yes , hoping it wont fuck with ur settings :p | 20:11 |
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| obcecado | that'd be my problem :-) | 20:11 |
| Cor-Ai | mfe<3 | 20:11 |
| ebob | :) | 20:11 |
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| obcecado | ok, i got the owa hostname, port, and below username, passwod and domain | 20:12 |
| obcecado | it just works | 20:12 |
| ebob | port ? | 20:12 |
| ebob | hmm | 20:12 |
| ebob | strange | 20:12 |
| ebob | ok | 20:13 |
| ebob | can u check if u have a /apps ? | 20:13 |
| ebob | in your filesystem ? | 20:13 |
| merlin1991 | ebob: I'm using it too | 20:13 |
| ebob | when in parameters i start MFe, it ask me: adress mail | 20:13 |
| ebob | username | 20:13 |
| ebob | password | 20:13 |
| ebob | domain | 20:13 |
| ebob | thats all at first | 20:14 |
| merlin1991 | yeah "server" is on the 2nd configuration dialog | 20:14 |
| ebob | ok | 20:14 |
| ebob | so thats why, i'm stuck on the first screen | 20:14 |
| ebob | cant access further | 20:14 |
| ebob | something might be wrong | 20:14 |
| nicofs | How can I generate a new .Xauthority file? | 20:15 |
| ebob | maybe the certificate | 20:17 |
| ebob | thanks for helps :) | 20:17 |
| ebob | ah | 20:17 |
| ebob | is your server owa 2003/2007 or 2010 ? | 20:18 |
| ebob | :p | 20:18 |
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| * javispedro sighs at "has been developing Android; the first complete, open, and free mobile platform based on the Linux kernel" quote right in a Linux Foundation page. | 21:15 | |
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| AVee | ebob: MfE checks for exchange autodiscovery on the domain. It that is setup properly it doesn't need to ask the user about servers, urls etc. | 21:24 |
| AVee | Thats why those are not in the first dialog. | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | re indicator LED weird sun dependency: this morning the device blinked normal, then wehn I walked out where temperature was ~30°C and device was in a black holster on my belt and exposed to sun, the indicator was invisibly dim when I took device out (previously I did some photos indoor, but alas I didn't check indicator light then). Back home LED was back to normal after a while | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | indications direction temperature related issue condense | 21:28 |
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| Sicelo | about h-e-n, can i rely on value for MaxPower that i get from running 'lsusb -v' when usb device connecteed to linux pc? | 21:34 |
| Dibblah | No. | 21:34 |
| Dibblah | Why? | 21:34 |
| Dibblah | (Sometimes manufacturers just Make Stuff Up) | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It is never actually measured. | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | aiui, N900 can supply up to 200mA when used as host.. so i'd like some way to be sure i don't connect something that will exceed that | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, 200 | 21:36 |
| trx | wont the n900 disable power supply if more current is drawn? | 21:38 |
| javispedro | crashanddie: fnac.fr has it :) | 21:38 |
| Sicelo | was just wanting to ask that.. or some kind of protective mechanism | 21:38 |
| trx | i believe there is.. but this is the field of DocScrutinizer :) | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there will just a nice warning notifier on overload when you use the booston version of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The chip has an overeating protection | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | heating | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: yes there is | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also dedicated overcurrent protection | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my script in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 handles all the chip can tell, and will nicely display. Anyway overload is no hazard | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically it just stops hostmode, and you | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'd have to start from scratch again | 21:41 |
| Sicelo | nice. thanks :) | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for using it, please give feedback | 21:42 |
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| Sicelo | 100% making me happy ;) | 21:42 |
| Sicelo | sometimes takes a while to apply the 5V to the device.. but i don't mind that too much | 21:43 |
| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/22/dixons_readies_ultra_low_cost_hp_touchpad/ <-- hmm for such a price I'd get one | 21:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | They had some, they sold out | 21:45 |
| hiemanshu | damn, I wish I knew someone in france | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: Why? | 21:45 |
| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: to get the touchpad :P | 21:46 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: the 16GiB is out of stock | 21:46 |
| javispedro | already | 21:46 |
| javispedro | in like 5 minutes | 21:46 |
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| hiemanshu | javispedro: I dont mind the 32 | 21:46 |
| hiemanshu | but I dont know who to ship it to :( | 21:46 |
| javispedro | but it'll be in 3 min. | 21:46 |
| javispedro | crashanddie, but he's just at this moment away and he'll miss the sale =) | 21:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | The 32 is also out of stock in dixons | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | click buy and it's not there | 21:46 |
| Atarii | it's out of stock everywhere :( | 21:47 |
| hiemanshu | damn | 21:47 |
| ruskie | yeah | 21:47 |
| Atarii | it dropped in price at 6PM and sold out instantly | 21:47 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 21:47 |
| ruskie | I've read some reports where people actually lost it from their carts | 21:47 |
| Atarii | yea | 21:48 |
| Atarii | someone I know had that happen | 21:48 |
| Atarii | on the payment page | 21:48 |
| javispedro | still on stock the 32GiB =) | 21:51 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 21:51 |
| hiemanshu | but, who will ship it out :( | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It doesn't work - click 'buy' and it says out of stock | 21:52 |
| ruskie | to bad I don't have any funds available | 21:52 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: fnac.fr | 21:52 |
| ruskie | else I'd go for it | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:52 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: it was made available like 30 minutes ago | 21:52 |
| javispedro | 16GiB ran out in like 10 minutes | 21:52 |
| Atarii | Sorry, this product is currently not available. | 21:52 |
| ruskie | the touchpad hasn't even come here | 21:52 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: where? | 21:53 |
| ruskie | slovenia | 21:53 |
| hiemanshu | its never gonna come to india | 21:53 |
| hiemanshu | thats for sure | 21:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Price on fnac is showing as 568 for me | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | for 32 | 21:55 |
| hiemanshu | that means sold out | 21:55 |
| hiemanshu | too :( | 21:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ok. | 21:55 |
| ruskie | ohh fun | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I may be slow, but I can spot a pattern. | 21:55 |
| hiemanshu | well | 21:56 |
| hiemanshu | I could have paid for it and such | 21:56 |
| hiemanshu | if I had a address to send it to :( | 21:56 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about stores in .nl | 21:56 | |
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| SpeedEvil | As 18:00 localtime is about to roll around | 21:57 |
| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: if you can find one, order one for me too, please | 21:57 |
| hiemanshu | its just sad that when I can find it in stock, no one to contact to whom I can ship it to, and then when its out of stock, everyone is like, you can ship it to me :( | 21:58 |
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| ruskie | SpeedEvil, erm... is .nl on some different timezone? other than the rest of EU? | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Or maybe the timezone page I looked at was confused | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | On reflection, that is unlikely to be so. | 21:59 |
| ruskie | considering it's 2100 here and we're in CEST atm | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess netherlands still has some colonies in the Caribbean | 22:03 |
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| hiemanshu | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/HP-SmartBuy-TouchPad-Wi-Fi-16GB/2414076.aspx | 22:04 |
| hiemanshu | in stock | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I guess you could ship from anywhere in EU to anywhere | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm in EU | 22:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: 'Availabiltiy' call | 22:05 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: it's been that way for quite a while, I doubt they are updating it | 22:05 |
| hiemanshu | oh :( | 22:06 |
| javispedro | but if they ship to you... | 22:06 |
| hiemanshu | damn | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | though my addr is a bit of a weird choice, as I'm actually not planning to get one myself | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro is also in EU afaik | 22:07 |
| javispedro | I'm in .ES but also having a hard time finding anyone shipping here | 22:07 |
| javispedro | not even fnac.fr | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, they HAVE TO ship to EU | 22:08 |
| chouchoune | SpeedEvil: Fnac where ? | 22:08 |
| chouchoune | I see it at 99 euros in france (Fnac) | 22:08 |
| javispedro | already out of stock there | 22:08 |
| hiemanshu | gah | 22:08 |
| javispedro | even the 32GiB one now | 22:08 |
| hiemanshu | no one has one :( | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | chouchoune: It showed as high price when I clicked | 22:08 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh ? I've seen it 10 minutes ago | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder what's that weird hype - why does HP do this? | 22:09 |
| chouchoune | ok | 22:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: they're closing shop | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | They may assume that they have too many to sell at any price over $99 | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, but why does that mean they have to throw hardware at you for free? | 22:10 |
| javispedro | it's a good question | 22:10 |
| hiemanshu | german hp has it, it seems | 22:10 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh javispedro SpeedEvil I still see some at 99 euros | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | BUY!!! | 22:10 |
| javispedro | chouchoune: where | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe it's doing wierd geoip thingies. | 22:10 |
| chouchoune | http://www.fnac.com/HP-TouchPad-9-7-Tactile-16-Go-WiFi/a3613653/w-4 | 22:10 |
| chouchoune | the main price is 451 | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Shows as 451 on that page here | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 22:11 |
| javispedro | Sous réserve de disponibilité, expédié sous 4 à 12 jours | 22:11 |
| chouchoune | but after, it says 2 produits neufs à partir de 99 ¤ | 22:11 |
| chouchoune | ah, ok | 22:11 |
| chouchoune | I have one in my basket at <99 euros ;) | 22:12 |
| javispedro | my little french translates that as "awaiting availability, will ship in 4 to 12 days". | 22:12 |
| javispedro | chouchoune: I have the 32GiB one on my basket | 22:12 |
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| hiemanshu | chouchoune: Subject to availability dispatched within 4 to 12 days | 22:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer needs a cheap new radeon X300SE | 22:12 | |
| hiemanshu | I have both 16 and 32 in basket | 22:12 |
| chouchoune | I thonk it's available because now it's saying it's not available anymoire | 22:12 |
| chouchoune | ah, no | 22:13 |
| javispedro | I think that your only hope is to find a retailer to ships outside his home country with the old price, and start hitting F5 on their home page. | 22:13 |
| chouchoune | I don't think I will buy one, so I don't care that much ... | 22:14 |
| hiemanshu | or wait for all the people that bought one to say 'This is a pile of crap, I bought it a week ago' | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik in EU you're obliged to ship EU wide | 22:14 |
| hiemanshu | and then sell em on ebay and such | 22:14 |
| chouchoune | DocScrutinizer: wrong | 22:14 |
| chouchoune | I could have bought a WeTab if it was like that ;) | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm maybe that was about no toll etc | 22:15 |
| chouchoune | yes | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for VAT | 22:15 |
| chouchoune | id it ships EU wise, there is no fees | 22:15 |
| chouchoune | yep | 22:15 |
| chouchoune | but it's not forced to sell EU wise | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 22:16 |
| chouchoune | that would be grat, I could easyly buy a N9 if foreign shops sell it EU wise | 22:16 |
| chouchoune | great | 22:16 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: they'll get android. as said, it is trivial. so when android runs demand will explode. | 22:17 |
| javispedro | therefore my only hope is the total incompetence of the android folks ;) | 22:17 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: I would help port meego to it, it would have been an awesome device with a dual core arm processor, and loads of ram and such | 22:17 |
| javispedro | yesterday they hadn't even found the kernel source, but I think more competent people are joining, so time is running out ;) | 22:18 |
| chouchoune | where is that ? | 22:18 |
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| vi__ | there appears to be none available in the UK | 22:19 |
| vi__ | UNless these rumours of the sale starting on tuesday midnight are true. | 22:20 |
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| hiemanshu | if anyone gets one order one for me, if multiple people order one for me, I'll buy em all :D | 22:21 |
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| hiemanshu | vi__: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/touchpad-tablet-pc-32gb-10834969-pdt.html | 23:02 |
| hiemanshu | vi__: do it fast | 23:02 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/touchpad-tablet-pc-32gb-10834969-pdt.html | 23:04 |
| vi__ | hiemanshu: dude, they have none in stock | 23:04 |
| vi__ | just try some uk postcodes | 23:04 |
| vi__ | NONE in edinburgh | 23:04 |
| hiemanshu | hah | 23:04 |
| vi__ | NONE in glasgow | 23:04 |
| hiemanshu | they are out too :( | 23:04 |
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| vi__ | NONE in london | 23:04 |
| vi__ | I checked that link an hour ago | 23:05 |
| vi__ | apparently the sale starts on tuesday morning | 23:05 |
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| vi__ | so perhaps there wont be any stock till tuesday morning | 23:05 |
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| hiemanshu | vi__: comet seems to have some | 23:14 |
| vi__ | web site is down | 23:15 |
| hiemanshu | works for me | 23:15 |
| hiemanshu | but very slow | 23:15 |
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| hiemanshu | anyways, I am off for the night | 23:16 |
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| hiemanshu | vi__: pm? | 23:25 |
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| vi__ | am | 23:26 |
| vi__ | tuesday AM | 23:26 |
| hiemanshu | I meant Personal Message :P | 23:27 |
| vi__ | lols | 23:27 |
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| hiemanshu | vi__: http://www.webosdaily.com/post/9262209641/hp-will-resupply-retailers-with-touchpads | 23:33 |
| hiemanshu | so there might be a chance, afterall | 23:33 |
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| Uday | hi | 23:36 |
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| Uday | hi | 23:37 |
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| vi__ | yo | 23:38 |
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| Uday | hello | 23:43 |
| vi__ | yo | 23:43 |
| vi__ | before you ask your question, consider the cow | 23:44 |
| vi__ | a leg, if you will, in each corner | 23:44 |
| dashavoo | insurance company said they'll give me 300gbp for my N900 being unrepairable. I accepted. | 23:44 |
| dashavoo | I am so sad to be N900-less | 23:44 |
| vi__ | dashavoo: better than a kick in the balls | 23:45 |
| vi__ | 300 is way more than enough to buy a BRAND NEW N900 AND have enough change for an 8-pack of special brew. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | dashavoo: Get thee to ebay. :) | 23:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or an n900 and a touchpad. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can find one. | 23:46 |
| vi__ | lols, all the touchpads are gone bro. | 23:46 |
| vi__ | ironically, HP now have complete market penetration. | 23:47 |
| dashavoo | hehe | 23:47 |
| vi__ | all the touchpad needs was a little linux tuning | 23:47 |
| vi__ | lower the swap here | 23:47 |
| vi__ | kill a few services there | 23:47 |
| dashavoo | I think I will leave myself N900-less for a while, as painful as it is. As much as I hate to admit it, I need the £300 for other things | 23:48 |
| vi__ | dashavoo: the N900 council will not forget this treachary easily. | 23:49 |
| dashavoo | vi__: =( | 23:50 |
| dashavoo | I loved my N900, but flights are expensive, and rent is... well... it might be expensive, I need to find a new flat first. | 23:51 |
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